Perfect 10? 10 Angry Men? 10 Little Indians?
Pajamas Media commentators offer their reactions to the GOP candidate debate -- the good, the bad, and the embarrassing. Read on and see how some debate-watchers were impressed, some disappointed, and some, frankly, a little scared.
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Peggy Noonan: “They stood earnestly in a row, combed, primped and prepped, as Nancy Reagan gazed up at them with courteous interest. But behind the hopeful candidates, a dwarfing shadow loomed, a shadow almost palpable in its power to remind Republicans of the days when men were men and the party was united. His power is only increased by his absence. But enough about Fred Thompson.
This is a piece about Thursday night’s Republican presidential debates, but first I would like to note that the media’s fixation with which Republican is the most like Reagan, and who is the next Reagan, and who parts his hair like Reagan, is absurd, and subtly undermining of Republicans, which is why they do it.”
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“The winner, I guess, is McCain by default, but we’re going to have to do much, much better than this at articulating a vision that will get us elected in 2008. Dogmatic references to a pro-life culture and endless evocations of Ronald Reagan are not going to get the job done in the current climate. I think the Republican Party itself came out a pretty big loser on the night…” (Mark Coffey @ Decision ‘08)
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“It’s telling that the Democrats refused to debate on a Fox affiliate because they claimed Brit Hume was biased. But th Republicans went on fanatically anti-Republican MSNBC (home of Keith Olberman) and was questioned by Chris Matthews an ardent Democrat and former Carter staffer. Not a pep of complaint.” (James Hudnall)
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Rick Rice @ Brutally Honest: “I. Was. Not. Impressed.”
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Michelle Malkin: “The ‘debate’ was an unenlightening game-show spectacle “moderated” by a Beltway hack.
Big loser: the viewing audience. Among the lesser-known candidates, Govs. Huckabee and Gilmore seemed the most polished and comfortable-and more importantly, solid on national security and defense issues. Rep. Tancredo, while strong on fiscal issues and, of course, immigration, seemed nervous and off his game. But no one disappointed more than Rudy Giuliani, who seems to be tiring of his own talking points, his own voice, and maybe the whole campaign.”
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Doug Heye: “The format of debates such as this evening’s provide little opportunity for voters to learn in detail about the candidates. In a ten candidate debate, the top-tier candidates are generally focused on avoiding mistakes, not scoring points with voters. This is especially true with primary voters. Primary voters usually don’t give points, they take them away - one at a time. That said, tonight’s debate was certainly much more substantive in nature than the recent Democrat debate.
“One surprise was Chris Matthews’ question regarding Catholic Bishops denying certain Catholic politicians the Sacrament of Communion. Governor Mitt Romney handled the question in exactly the manner he should have, by dismissing it. Do we really want the government interfering in doctrines of religious faith?
“Also notable was the strong showing of Governor Mike Huckabee. Tonight’s performance may help provide a shot in the arm financially for his campaign. However, none of the top-tier candidates made a serious mistake and the front-runners continue to be Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mitt Romney - along with the (as yet) unannounced Fred Thompson.
Doug Heye is a veteran of political campaigns throughout the country. He has served in leading communication positions in the House, Senate and Bush Administration.
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Richard Buchanan @ Opinionist: “The debate was a bucket of contradictions. Whilst the diversity of core beliefs, policy statements and values was thoroughly on display … the wholly generic effort to rally Reagan symbolism was horrendously over-done by every participant to the point of plastic fakery. Who won? I believe Romney looked smooth and almost artificially calm whilst McCain almost shook with nervousness. The first debate and the clear winner? I believe it was Romney by yards.”
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Robert Godwin @ One Cosmos: “I don’t understand this early obsession with who ‘won’ the debate. Can’t they all be losers?”
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Nelson Guirado:“Some of the candidates looked bad, but none of them looked dumb. I could have done without the constant and cheap references to Ronald Reagan, but the debate showed the Republican field to be made up of serious, knowledgeable men.” More HERE.
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Layla Gonzalez@ The Hill Chronicles: “Rudy Giuliani was the man - a 100% thumbs up. He was consistent, spontaneous, and genuine. I did not get the feeling he was scripted as several others came across as. Rudy understands the war on terror. His knowledge of Islam and terrorists is impeachable. Rudy was the most articulate and eloquent during the debate - doing what Rudy does - lead.
“A thumbs down completely on Congressman Paul’s (R-TX) projection. Of all the candidates he was the worst. He was nothing one would expect in a presidential candidate. Paul has no ideas and he is all rhetoric, which at some instances during the debate did not make sense. He continually made it clear every opportunity that he did not agree with the war. That gave me the feeling he was more of a Democratic mole than a potential GOP presidential candidate.”
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Max Sawicky @ Max Speak: Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran . . .
These people really scare me.
Favorite bit: Tommy Thompson on tax reform: get rid of the AMT, replace it with a flat tax, and let people choose whether to pay it or the regular income tax. Duncan Hunter was the only one with a clue about the Federal budget. Surprising that Huckabee, who seemed reasonable, is backing the loopy FAIRTAX.
Romney is going to be the nominee. He is way slick.
McCain is too mechanical. Giuliani is too gay. The rest of them are in it to get babes. Babes of faith. Except for Ron Paul. He actually believes in stuff. How did he get in there?”
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Brandon Henak @ GOP3: “The worst of the field definitely included Ron Paul and Tommy Thompson. Paul for his hard, disagreeable demeanor and Thompson for his apparent struggle to present a congruent, holistic answer. McCain had the advantage of “straight talking” right into the camera but, Romney and Brownback definitely won as they came forward with polished ideas posited in a professional manor. It will be interesting to contrast these performances and ideas with those presented by Senator Fred Thompson tomorrow night.”
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Rich Masters: “I thought they all did an excellent and extraordinarily impressive job and I urge them to continue their good work!
Each of them held President Bush’s failed policy in Iraq in a warm loving embrace, even though 70 percent of all Americans are completely opposed to him.
Their sloppy wet kisses to Nancy Reagan made them all look like puny little pretenders to the Gippers legacy. Instead of inheriting the “Reagan Aura” as they had intended they inherited the stench of wet lap dogs desperately panting, to try out “ring-wing” the other guy. Kudos indeed, I think they’ve really gone a long way to solidify the angry, scary, old white guy vote
As a democrat I heartily congratulate them on their impressive showing and urge them to continue advocating polices that the vast majority of Americans are opposed to.
Individually– McCain: Stammered and talked in circles more than “W” in his drinking days. Romney: Took so many different positions he should contact the DC Madam. Giuliani: Perfected the Beavis and Butthead look when asked for the difference between Sunni and Shiite.”
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Joe Gelman @ NeoCon Express: “Good debate, fast pace… and with the exception of Ron Paul, I could live with any one of these candidates. McCain seemed a bit stiff, rehearsed and sometimes over-eager. Tancrado was a bit out of his league on foreign policy. Romney was smooth as silk, and Giuliani hit a solid double.”
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Karen Hanretty: “Interesting that McCain and Giuliani show more nerve when it comes to bombing Iran than they do when it comes to answering whether or not the U.S. Constitution should be amended to allow non-U.S. born citizens, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, to run for President. Both men are eager for the endorsement of the world’s most recognizable politician who campaigned for President George W. Bush in Ohio back in 2004. McCain went so far as to suggest last February, at an event with Schwarzenegger in Los Angeles, that the governor’s laudatory praise for him was a de-facto endorsement. It of course was not. Neither McCain nor Giuliani should hold their breath in anticipation of that coveted prize. The Republican Governor didn’t bother to campaign for GOPers on the statewide ballot last year. In fact, he went out of his way to lob a verbal grenade at Tom McClintock, a staunch fiscal conservative who ran for Lt. Governor and subsequently lost, in the final week before the election. McClintock’s opponent used the governor’s attack against McClintock in recorded phone calls that went out to voters in Los Angeles.
“Otherwise, a rather dull event. It’s a shame Chris Matthews and the team at MSNBC/Politico.com think Republican primary voters are as obsessed with the war in Iraq as the mainstream media. GOP voters are angry at McCain for his support of campaign finance reform and his opposition to President Bush’s tax cuts. A few more of those questions may have yielded some interesting sound-bites. But I get the impression that this debate wasn’t about Republican voters.”
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Stephen Green @ Vodkapundit: “After watching tonight’s Republican debate, I’m reminded of the “Seven Dwarves” of the 1988 Democratic field. Right now, I’m certain the entire 2008 Democratic field is feeling pretty comfortable. Of course, I’m just as certain that the Republican candidates felt the same way after last week’s debate. And I think everybody, everywhere, can take great comfort in the fact that Chris Matthews isn’t running for anything, anywhere. One of my commenters wrote, “I think Fred Thompson is winning,” and I won’t argue with him.”
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Roger L. Simon: “The big winner of the first Republican presidential debate was the man who wasn’t there: Fred Thompson. Although I admire Giuliani and agree with him on most issues, the presidential look and feel of the absent Fred loomed over this boring event with only Ron Paul for comic relief.”
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Robert Dreyfuss: “Republican primary voters looking for a presidential statesman last night may be forgiven if they started surfing channels looking for reruns of “Law and Order,” where they could at least take a look at Fred Thompson - or, for that matter, they might have hoped for a brief glimpse of Arnold Schwarzenegger in the audience.
Never did the shadow of Ronald Reagan loom so large as it did over the Ten Little Indians last night. Most of them spent the evening referencing Reagan and Schwarzenegger, which only had the effect of making them all look smaller. The Ten Little Ones competed with each other with square jaws, resolute looks, defiant gestures, and looks of utter resolve. They swore to God that the war in Iraq can be won, they warned ominously what they would do to the Iranians if they could get their hands on them, and they waxed militant about how they’d deal with Osama bin Laden. “He will have to pay, and he is going to die,” said Romney, with great solemnity. “We will bring him to justice, and I will follow him to the gates of Hell,” said McCain, trumping the Mormon governor.
And so it went. Unable to shake the albatross of Iraq from around their collective necks, the Ten Republicans sought to outdo each other with tales of how bravely they’d fight Islamofascists, if only voters would give them a chance. Up in heaven, President Reagan could only shake his head. “There they go again,” he said softly.”
Dreyfuss is the author of “Devil’s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam”
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Henry:It’s about time the masses got a dose of Ron Paul. The media isn’t gonna do it for us, so keep waking people up!
May 3, 2007 - 9:43 pm AMK:Even in our current political hole, the Republicans are still the modern party of ideas. They need to remind American voters of this basic fact….Strategists should have a look at the French debate between Sarkozy and Royale from Weds night. It was 2 1/2 hours of pure debate. Pure ideology. Pure battle. Limited mediation. They gave the French people, who showed an 85% turnout in the first round of the election, a clear choice between Socialism and something a little bit to the right of that.
Let the Republicans restructure their debates in this format going forward so that, come the main election, they can challenge the likely Clinton/Obama ticket to some real debates. Where issues count and America gets a chance to really chose between the ideologies.
So far, I don’t see anyone I believe can put our party back together again and move forward from the Bush era. Fiscal Conservatives are disillusioned. Foreign Policy Conservatives are humbled. And the bible thumpers are praying for more excellent issues like Terry Schiavo!? Anyone can beat the Democrats when they put Clinton/Obama up for election….the question is do we have a candidate???
May 4, 2007 - 12:16 am PatriotJonathan:“Paul for his hard, disagreeable demeanor”
Maybe Paul had a disagreeable demeanor because he disagrees with the direction this country is going and he disagrees with the current slate of republicrats. I believe in Ron Paul’s message and millions of people feel just like me. Paul IS the ONLY serious candidate, period. And that’s not comedic, it’s sad!
May 4, 2007 - 12:33 am Webutante:Fred Thompson needs to enter the race or drop out. He may, sure nuff, be the only hope in a field of less-than-shining presidential contenders. At least he comes across as less staged and more real. He’s got that cornpone reverse-glamor appeal that may wear well with an already weary electorate that faces another 18 months of this madness.
May 4, 2007 - 5:01 am Butlmat:The critics are out of touch with the people. Ron Paul is marvelous. I love that guy!
May 4, 2007 - 5:34 am dogster:Do any of these guys think 9/11 was an inside job?
Do any of these guys think the Bush administration represents an evil cabal?
Do any of these guys think Bush or Cheney should be impeached?
How about some hard questions for a change?
May 4, 2007 - 6:47 am Tim:To say Ron Paul has no ideas and is all rehtoric shows how ignorant some people really are. He is the only one with substance and if he would have been allowed to speak longer people would have recognized that. He is the only candidate, on either side, that believes in freedom and liberty, and is the only one who has any respect for the Constitution anymore. It is sad that some Americans are so ignorant that they cant see past the BS and recognize and honest, uncorruptable candidate when they see one. I am sad to say the Republican party and the country as a whole are digging themselves their own grave and no one seems to notice (except Ron Paul).
May 4, 2007 - 7:02 am Jason:It’s nice that there is finally a conservative in the race - PAUL! He gave the most intelligent answers - he was the ONLY one to mention the constitution. 10 candidates, and only one talked about the constitution. Now if only pajamasmedia would remember to include him in their polls.
May 4, 2007 - 7:51 am Peter:Funny that the man who is going to make sure that the internet remains a place to post your obviously uninformed opinion is the man you are so vehemently against.
Ron Paul has no ideas and speaks rhetoric? Whose rhetoric?
You can’t help it, you can try to paint him in a negative light for the next 8 or 9 months but in the end, you won’t be able to pin a thing on him and he will win the nomination. Now all the major sites are carrying him and, surprise, he is doing very well in their polls.
Hard, disagreeable demeanor? What kind of worthless analysis is that? Should he make sure and run everything by you from now on as not to hurt feelings? He is trying to take America back and give it to the people where it belongs.
Quit trying to discredit him, you end up doing it to yourself.
Vote Ron Paul!
May 4, 2007 - 9:13 am Bruce:Based on her comments, it’s obvious that Layla Gonzalez is a shallow thinker. “Paul has no ideas and he is all rhetoric.” Wow. Paul stands for individual liberty, supports a non-interventionist foreign policy, and defends the Constitution. His voting record is consistent with his beliefs. The man has integrity. To say that he has “no ideas” or is all rhetoric is absurd. He examines each piece of legislation for constitutionality and votes accordingly. He introduced legislation to force the Congress to actually “declare war” as opposed to ceding that authority to the executive branch, which is not only cowardly but also unconstitutional. All rhetoric? Hardly. “Rudy Giuliani was the man.” Good lord, how old are you?
May 4, 2007 - 9:19 am Hoodlumman:Who the heck is Ron Paul?
And where is Fred!?
May 4, 2007 - 9:25 am Stout Republican:I hear Ron Paul can jump buildings with a single bound, eats bullets for breakfast, and once lifted a train.
Fundraising though seems to be his Kryptonite.
Ideas or not, good or not, it’s all moot, he’s not a long term player. I’ll leave the superhero work to him, and concentrate on the candidates who have a chance of winning.
May 4, 2007 - 9:55 am Van der Leun:dogster asks :
“Do any of these guys think 9/11 was an inside job?”
No.
“Do any of these guys think the Bush administration represents an evil cabal?”
No.
“Do any of these guys think Bush or Cheney should be impeached?”
No.
“How about some hard questions for a change?”
May 4, 2007 - 10:07 am Chad:Sure. You got any?
Ron Paul was the most refreshing. He officially put an end to this “weak on defense” crap.
Our country would be safer under Ron Paul than anyone else.
I really liked his point about the cold war. The soviets had 40,000 nuclear weapons aimed at us and we ended that conflict without killing American soldiers. So why are we so afraid of third world countries without nukes, who BARELY even have a standing army!?
Whose the “wimp” on foreign policy? I say it’s everyone acting like Iran could even touch us if they wanted to.
Ron Paul is the turtle in this race for sure. Slow and steady.
Plus he’s raised the 2nd most money in New Hampshire which is very significant in my book.
-Chad
May 4, 2007 - 11:16 am Ron Paul wins CNBC poll:ARLINGTON, VA - Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.
“Last night, Americans met Ron Paul and loved what they heard,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul’s message of freedom and limited government resonates with Republicans hungry for a return to their party’s core values.”
“Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night,” continued Snyder. “The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity.”
May 4, 2007 - 11:33 am Chaz:How can these nutjob writers say that Ron Paul was the comic relief. Since when is adherence to our constitution and love for our country and its founding principles something to be ridiculed. These people should be ashamed of themeselves. If they want to continue to witness our country’s degradation into an increasingly ineffectively warfare welfare state then vote for Rudy, or Mitt, or McCain. Its really a devils choice, there is hardly a hairs difference between them.
True Patriots appreciate what Ron Paul is doing. They appreciate a true statesman who isn’t corrupted by special interests and corporate contributions. Look up who gives these candidates their money, it is public record and I assure you it will be illuminating. Unlike all of the other homogeneous candidates, Ron Paul gets the vast majority of his funds from individuals who believe in his message and his character.
May 4, 2007 - 12:14 pm Matt-A:I have only four words for Fred Thompson:
“Make up your mind”
I have seen reports he will announce his decision in July, that is too late. Where his positions are is not important right now. To drag out for two and a half more months as a half-candidate is unacceptable. He needs to enter, and participate in the campaign, or announce he is not running, so we can get him out of all the polls and articles.
May 4, 2007 - 2:02 pm Chuck from WI:I am squarely on the Ron Paul bandwagon!
May 4, 2007 - 8:53 pm David-D.:Isn’t it strange that Ron Paul’s numbers are always the highest in the online polls and the lowest in every other poll?
Could it have anything to do with the “electronic ballot box stuffing” that happened during the first couple of pajamasmedia polls?
Nah, they’d *never* doing anything like that…
May 5, 2007 - 10:53 am stephen dupont:What is with the media blackout on Ron Paul?
May 6, 2007 - 5:00 pm John Q Citizen:Ron Paul won MSNBC’S poll! you would think this is
incredible news. Ron is portrayed as a second tier
candidate but he mopped the floor with all of them
during the debates! what will it take for the
mainstream media to recognize what so many Americans
already know? Ron Paul will emerge the President in
spite of the media blackout, despite the lack of party
support, despite the enormous money machine that
drives the so-called first tier candidates. Wake up
and do your job sir! We Americans desire the truth and
all we get is political hackery! You people push your
candidates upon us and we are supposed to decide from
these candidates. How is this American? How can you
betray the publics trust in this manner? I’m sick and
tired of this along with the majority of Americans.
You watch my friend, mark my words you can not control
the internet and we are growing exponentially. Ron
Paul is a decent man who will base his decisions on
his principles as he has always done and you people
are scared of an incorruptible man who is running as
a candidate. That would make it more difficult for you
to sell your tabloid crap to the people. I mean what
would you write about right? no scandals no affairs no
stealing thats boring. We understand and we are
pissed. BECOME AN HONEST BROKER FOR TRUTH, I REALIZE
ITS NOT VERY POPULAR WITH THE MONEY ELITE BUT THEN
AGAIN NOTHING TRUTHFUL EVERY IS.
respectfully submitted
Steve,
American Patriot
What is one major reason that Fred Thompson is receiving a great deal of media coverage? It’s those 3 letters, CFR. The Council on Foreign Relation’s publication “Building a North-American Community” (also known as a North-American Union) helps to explain why the main-stream media is behind him, and why they attempt to ignore Congressman Paul. If not for the internet they might be able to pull the wool over people’s eyes, and elect a Globalist to the White House.
May 6, 2007 - 6:17 pm James:As a member of the US military, I swore an oath to God to “support, protect and defend the Constitution for the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”; I have not renounced that oath. Furthermore, this American still believe in the sovereignty of the United States and in its Constitution, and will support no other GOP candidate than Congressman Ron Paul.
God Bless our Republic.
‘Isn’t it strange that Ron Paul’s numbers are always the highest in the online polls and the lowest in every other poll?’
No, it isn’t strange. The internet is the only place you will hear about Ron Paul. People that sit in front of a television all day don’t know him and they haven’t heard his message of personal liberty and sound fiscal policy. The media has done a wonderful job of shutting him out.
May 7, 2007 - 11:27 am