Debating in French
Poll: Sarkozy after debate holds "an eight point lead with 54 percent support, versus 46 percent for Royal."
PJM Paris editor Nidra Poller - who has been following the French presidential election closely for Pajamas Media - reports on Wednesday's debate between finalists Ségolène Royal and Nicolas Sarkozy. The "hot-headed" Sarko was supposed to lose his cool, but it may have been his opponent who did.
by Nidra Poller
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2:30 AM in Paris 3 May 2007
In anticipation of the Royal-Sarkozy debate, commentators speculated on the unexpected: what might happen to surprise us; will one of the candidates lose his or her composure or, on the contrary, say something so memorable that it could change the course of events.
Every single day for four months we have been hearing that Nicolas Sarkozy is nervous, hot-tempered, impulsive, and liable to erupt at any moment against his own will. At its furthest extremes, the hate campaign against Sarkozy is steeped in anti-Semitic, anti-American poison; in polite circles it is fashionable to talk about his brutality. Ségolène Royal, at the height of fashion, never misses a chance to label her rival and his politics as brutal.
Tonight the two candidates engaged in face to face debate for over two hours. Nicolas Sarkozy was calm, cool, and collected. Relaxed and comfortable, he had perfect control of himself and his language. He addressed every question intelligently, replied clearly and coherently.
Ségolène Royal was nervous and aggressive from the get-go. She attacked, jabbed, taunted. She stared at him with narrowed angry eyes. Her voice was harsh. She spoke through clenched teeth. And, as I expected, before the debate was over, an issue hit her panic button, she lost control and turned spitfire.
That’s it, right? That’s what everyone was waiting for. Could two rivals in fierce competition handle themselves with dignity in a two hour face to face, or would one of them fall into a trap and explode?
Yes. Except that it was supposed to be Nicolas Sarkozy.
The first media reactions came to us on France 3. The debate after the debate. Four guests for Royal, four for Sarkozy. Two moderators.
Royal was praised by her loyal supporters who had no doubt that she had won the debate. They were honest enough to admit that she did not necessarily win votes, but her performance in the debate was dazzling. She was so deliciously pugnacious. Yes, pugnacious. And when she went into that riff, shouting at Sarkozy for minutes on end, totally out of control, and he told her, calmly, that a president doesn’t blow her top, she slammed back, “I am not blowing my top, I am revolted! I have a right to be revolted at what you said! I am angry, I am not blowing my top!” Well, they took her at her word.
Nicolas Sarkozy couldn’t fool them, oh no, they could see through his deceptions. Everyone knows how hot-tempered he is. And he just sat there, looking relaxed, speaking calmly, never raising his voice or his hand. To hear them describe it, it was almost too evil. A brutal man like that should at least have the honesty to show his real face.
Naturally, each candidate developed arguments that we have heard before, that we can read in their respective programs. The point of a face to face debate is to allow the opponent to challenge statements as they are made, on the spot, without stumbling or stuttering. Much of what we heard tonight has already been elaborated during the course of the campaign.
There were no surprises on that score. S√©gol√®ne Royal cannot focus her thoughts. She cannot give a straight answer to a direct question. Her ideas are strung together like beads, in no particular order. She throws in anecdotal details, adds some heavy emotional seasoning, turns the question into a flattering spotlight on her own person, and just keeps talking until someone, in this case the moderators-Patrick Poivre d’Arvor and Arlette Chabot-politely waves her to the side and stops her long enough to ask another question. On every crucial issue-the 35-hour work week, the admission of Turkey into the EU, reform of the pension system-she flourishes a plume of high principles and then abdicates: the decision will be made after consultation with all parties, after discussion and debate, by referendum, by a flick of the wrist.
When Nicolas Sarkozy confronted her with facts, she hissed. “Don’t try that on me. I know your tactics.” On many points, it was obvious that she was faking. He has far more experience than she does in the affairs of state. Which is why she endlessly refers to regional government, and all of the miracles she has performed in the region she governs.
Sarkozy’s entire campaign is based on a promise of accountability. He has fully developed his thinking on the longstanding problems of France. He has clearly defined a coherent program of proposed solutions. And he has pledged to stand by them, and be judged by his results. While Royal refers to her region, Sarkozy refers to Europe and the world. If Germany, England, Denmark, Ireland, and Spain can have full employment and healthy economies, there is no reason that France should be suffering from stagnation.
S√©gol√®ne Royal’s campaign is based on herself. In tonight’s debate, she could not use her charm. And her anger, for all the praise it might win from her diehard supporters, did not come across as righteous. Faced with Sarkozy’s concise thinking, her rambling arguments did not billow, her slogans-gagnant-gagnant, donnant-donnant-fell flat, and she didn’t sing her usual tunes with the same conviction she musters when standing in front of ten thousand cheering fans.
Before the debate began, we were informed that Royal and Sarkozy had exchanged a cordial handshake (like Sumo-sans?) in front of the cameras…but the scene would not be shown until the debate had ended. For some unexplained reason the curtain came down and there was no delayed broadcast handshake.
After all the tough questions from unemployment to Iran’s nuclear ambitions had been hashed over, the moderators asked the debaters what they thought of each other. It might seem like a silly question. In fact it was quite revealing because S√©gol√®ne Royal could not and did not pour out a dose of the anti-Sarko hatred that inspires her voters. She could not say then and there, after viewers had watched them in action for over two hours, that he was such a danger to the nation that even people who didn’t like her or her politics should vote for her just to keep him from being president.
Fans being fans, they probably won’t hold it against her.
My choice for the best stumping exchange is the China Olympics Boycott issue. Both Royal and Sarkozy deplore the reluctance of the international community to act decisively to stop the massacre of the innocent in Darfur. Royal proposes a boycott of the Chinese Olympics, to punish the Chinese for preventing an international intervention simply to protect their interests in Sudan. Sarkozy asked her why, in that case, she made a high profile visit to China.
Of course he might have asked her why she wanted to be president of France…because, if I’m not mistaken, the French, too, have interests in Sudan.
Will the debate change the figures?. Sarkozy is predicted to win by as much as 53 to 47. If anything, it might convince certain reluctant voters–people who share his analysis, share his solutions, but are inhabited by that vague “Sarkozy is scary”-to vote for the hot-tempered guy who is so clever he can keep his cool.
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21 Comments
reliapundit:GREAT!
May 2, 2007 - 7:44 pm Anthony (Los Angeles):Sarkozy said Germany has full employment? I thought the unemployment rate there was about 10%. Or does that look like an improvement from the French perspective?
May 2, 2007 - 7:48 pm ic:May be Royal should move here across the pond. Here, politicians never really answer a question. If a politician ever said what he thought, he had committed a gaffe. No matter what a politician was asked, she gave the same canned answer. Politicians don’t challenge each other in the so-called debates. Each one recites what he is supposed to think after his pollster assured him that the position polled well. A politician is not expected to keep his promises either. Bush II is an odd man out, he tries to keep his promises and wants to do what he said he would do. That’s why he is considered “dumb” by so many.
May 2, 2007 - 8:50 pm Glenn:Here is Reuter’s “interpretation” of the debate:
May 2, 2007 - 9:25 pm Benjamin:There you go. We have Reuters interpretation of the debate, and Pajamas Media’s. But remember folk, PJM brings you the truth - and not interpretations!
May 2, 2007 - 10:55 pm Israel:So Sarkozy wanted to inject facts into the debate?? Royal responded honestly “Don’t try that on me…” How refreshingly honest! That unfortunately may be how a majority of French voters respond. They may choose to ignore the facts and continue on their head-in-the-sand path.
May 2, 2007 - 11:03 pm Chaya:Israel
Brindisi,Italy
Where can we see a video of the debate? My husband is a French speaker and he would love to see it. Please send it to my email address. Thanks.
May 3, 2007 - 4:52 am mike:>>> Chaya
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/file/dossiers/debat_royal_sarkozy_11.wmv
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/file/dossiers/debat_royal_sarkozy_22.wmv
May 3, 2007 - 8:20 am Papertiger:Here is a site that is devoted to covering all things French
May 3, 2007 - 8:26 am tlj:http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/
They have most if not all of the debate video embedded on their site.
I support Sarkozy, but the above is so patently biased it’s silly. Why should I believe a word of it? Well-written, though.
May 3, 2007 - 9:22 am Roger L. Simon:It doesn’t seem Poller was so biased after all, tlj. Polls show Sarkozy’s lead widening AFTER the debate.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2007-05-03T165727Z_01_PAB003176_RTRUKOC_0_US-FRANCE-ELECTION-SURVEY.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
May 3, 2007 - 10:51 am Assistant Village Idiot:When I read Poller’s opinion, I know it is her opinion and take that into account. When Reuters makes such a statement, it takes on an unwarranted aura of “accepted fact.”
May 3, 2007 - 1:38 pm TBinSTL:The French election topic should have a temporary “tab” on the PJM homepage.
May 3, 2007 - 5:43 pm william jonas:I saw the video clip on Fox this evening and Royal came across as some sanctimonious, self righteous know- nothing. She did lose her cool and acted like a fool. Sarkozy seemed disaffected.
May 3, 2007 - 7:12 pm Retro:This is a perfect example of why women have no place in politics - they are way too emotional and completely unable to keep those emotions in check.
May 4, 2007 - 8:20 am Nomad:At its furthest extremes, the hate campaign against Sarkozy is steeped in anti-Semitic, anti-American poison;
never saw or heard of these allegations, the truth is, both America and Israel were strongly absent in this campaign only french intern questions about our welfare, retreat, unemployment…
may-be this is upseting for NP that we don’t bother on what is going on abroad
as far as the debate, I saw the whole, and the impression is not alike Mrs, the two candidates knew what the other one would try to destabilize the opponent, S Royal had to push N Sarkozy in his last retreat,and she managed quite well the punching conversation, as N. Sarkozy managed to keep his self-control too; but we did not learn much from that, only that they are equally willing to gain. Mrs Royal is not the bich you pictured, she has a strong temper and you must have a strong personality in politic as a woman if you want to be remarked.
anyway I am free to express myself about her as I am not voting for her.
but please take off your pro neo-con prism glasses when you watch our policy, you did not catch the essential
May 4, 2007 - 10:22 am Assistant Village Idiot:Retro, tell that to Maggie Thatcher.
May 4, 2007 - 10:26 am BearofNH:Golda Mayer
Elizabeth I (England)
Lindsey Nagle
… and many more. But not S√©gol√®ne Royal.
May 4, 2007 - 12:08 pm Tocquevil:Anthony, nobody in France refers to Germany as a full-employment country! Germany’s record is a bad as France’s. This is only one more silliness from Mrs Poller. I’m a Sarkozy voter and I find her account very biased against Mrs Royal.
May 4, 2007 - 2:16 pm Incognito:Retro says:
“This is a perfect example of why women have no place in politics - they are way too emotional and completely unable to keep those emotions in check.”
Uh Retro…how do you explain Mike Gravel, then?
Though, God help us if La Hillary or La Sego wins.
May 4, 2007 - 4:47 pm Marc Kapend:I watched the entire debate.
Most comments that followed seemed to portray S√©gol√®ne’s royal anger and induce a disadvantage from that. Frankly, should hypocrisy have more merit than sincerity in politics?
I saw Ségolène Royal project the picture of a bigger France, a big government for an integrated society, with the contribution of all French citizens through their real political participation. True, such a project goes over the technical details and might seem vague to many. A President candidate should project a society. Ministers and staff take care of details.
Serlone Royal projected a better France than Sarkozy. She won the debate.
Marc
May 5, 2007 - 11:04 am