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		<title>By: Matt Knowles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-2751</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Knowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grr... &quot;interesting commenter&quot; not &quot;insterestinr commented&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Knowles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-2749</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Knowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Chuck
RE: Feeding the trolls...

... don&#039;t.

Nothing sucks more than really digging a comment thread only to have some idiot jump in and show off his shiny new tinfoil hat... unless it&#039;s having an otherwise sane and usually interestinr commented start feeding said asshat&#039;s ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Chuck<br />
RE: Feeding the trolls&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Nothing sucks more than really digging a comment thread only to have some idiot jump in and show off his shiny new tinfoil hat&#8230; unless it&#8217;s having an otherwise sane and usually interestinr commented start feeding said asshat&#8217;s ego.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1528</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before this thread was claim-jumped by six-year olds, DavidN suggested &quot;The Mentalist&quot; is a new idea. I want to disagree, but bear with me. Look at all the popular shows about a single character with a focus so acute they can size up a person or situation in seconds, shocking co-workers with what seems to be supernatural knowledge. These characters always have a foil who follows them and tries to debate what seems so obvious to the main character. Their official superiors disapprove of their methods, but refrain from discipline because the results are uniformly positive.

These shows succeed because they are restatements of the cases of Sherlock Holmes.

Vincent D&#039;Onofrio as Bobby Goren, with his Watson, Eames, played by Kathryn Erbe, on Criminal Intent.

William Petersen as Gil Grissom, a fount of arcane information, his team devoted to him on CSI.

The main characters of Psych fit the Holmes mythos.

The Mentalist, of course.

Bones, where the main character espouses reason and rationality to the point where it makes her an excellent detective but an inept person. Booth is her Watson, emphasizing physicality and action, rather than mere deduction.

And of course, House, who has James Wilson, not John Watson. Since Hugh Laurie&#039;s cowardly shot at W, I&#039;d say that House is not a Holmes.

All these shows adapt Holmes&#039; surpassing intellect, but to complicate the character, to bring these people who are so adept they might alienate themselves from us down to our level. Doyle made Holmes a drug addict who was uncomfortable with women or even men when it came to emotional attachments. All these characters are made close to us with their various problems. Grissom seems emotionally barren, spending his time with his bugs; Shawn in Psych is eternally glib; House has his injury and his hatefulness; Jane has money but has experienced deep loss, which wounds him.

So, DavidN, I don&#039;t think the idea is new, but the new shows have a fine ancestry. I definitely agree with your first paragraph, TV is the medium where shows like &quot;The Mentalist&quot; and &quot;24&quot; have a chance. It&#039;s why I rarely go to movies anymore.

Andrew, keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before this thread was claim-jumped by six-year olds, DavidN suggested &#8220;The Mentalist&#8221; is a new idea. I want to disagree, but bear with me. Look at all the popular shows about a single character with a focus so acute they can size up a person or situation in seconds, shocking co-workers with what seems to be supernatural knowledge. These characters always have a foil who follows them and tries to debate what seems so obvious to the main character. Their official superiors disapprove of their methods, but refrain from discipline because the results are uniformly positive.</p>
<p>These shows succeed because they are restatements of the cases of Sherlock Holmes.</p>
<p>Vincent D&#8217;Onofrio as Bobby Goren, with his Watson, Eames, played by Kathryn Erbe, on Criminal Intent.</p>
<p>William Petersen as Gil Grissom, a fount of arcane information, his team devoted to him on CSI.</p>
<p>The main characters of Psych fit the Holmes mythos.</p>
<p>The Mentalist, of course.</p>
<p>Bones, where the main character espouses reason and rationality to the point where it makes her an excellent detective but an inept person. Booth is her Watson, emphasizing physicality and action, rather than mere deduction.</p>
<p>And of course, House, who has James Wilson, not John Watson. Since Hugh Laurie&#8217;s cowardly shot at W, I&#8217;d say that House is not a Holmes.</p>
<p>All these shows adapt Holmes&#8217; surpassing intellect, but to complicate the character, to bring these people who are so adept they might alienate themselves from us down to our level. Doyle made Holmes a drug addict who was uncomfortable with women or even men when it came to emotional attachments. All these characters are made close to us with their various problems. Grissom seems emotionally barren, spending his time with his bugs; Shawn in Psych is eternally glib; House has his injury and his hatefulness; Jane has money but has experienced deep loss, which wounds him.</p>
<p>So, DavidN, I don&#8217;t think the idea is new, but the new shows have a fine ancestry. I definitely agree with your first paragraph, TV is the medium where shows like &#8220;The Mentalist&#8221; and &#8220;24&#8243; have a chance. It&#8217;s why I rarely go to movies anymore.</p>
<p>Andrew, keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: raoul</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew, you look like leonard cohn with that shaved head!</description>
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		<title>By: Someone75</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chuck,

Yes - a MENSA membership is the only qualification of intelligence. Actually, I have a PhD in engineering, and no, I feel no need to prove it to you. You&#039;ve asked me for proof before, but sorry - I&#039;m not scanning my diploma and posting it online.

You were probably banned on Huffington Post for your petty, personal attacks. You whine like a little girl whenever I say anything, and yet all you can counter with is calling me a liar. I highly doubt your ban on Huffington (and all those other sites) had anything to do with your quality (or lack thereof) of arguments.

As for courage, I don&#039;t believe you were ever in the military. If so, send me your discharge papers. See? It goes both ways. You were never in the military. You&#039;re a pathetic liar and you insult our fine troops by claiming that you were. You&#039;re not worthy to polish their boots.

I&#039;ll wage dollars against donuts that you can&#039;t show me proof that you were in the military.

haha - this is far too easy, Chuck(le). You throw me cowardly arguments, and I throw them right back at you.

Regards,

Someone75</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chuck,</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; a MENSA membership is the only qualification of intelligence. Actually, I have a PhD in engineering, and no, I feel no need to prove it to you. You&#8217;ve asked me for proof before, but sorry &#8211; I&#8217;m not scanning my diploma and posting it online.</p>
<p>You were probably banned on Huffington Post for your petty, personal attacks. You whine like a little girl whenever I say anything, and yet all you can counter with is calling me a liar. I highly doubt your ban on Huffington (and all those other sites) had anything to do with your quality (or lack thereof) of arguments.</p>
<p>As for courage, I don&#8217;t believe you were ever in the military. If so, send me your discharge papers. See? It goes both ways. You were never in the military. You&#8217;re a pathetic liar and you insult our fine troops by claiming that you were. You&#8217;re not worthy to polish their boots.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wage dollars against donuts that you can&#8217;t show me proof that you were in the military.</p>
<p>haha &#8211; this is far too easy, Chuck(le). You throw me cowardly arguments, and I throw them right back at you.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Someone75</p>
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		<title>By: Peter the Australian</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter the Australian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DZUnga

We all know that left-wing media organisations are going bust all over the World.  The problem is that they are not commercial enough.  They let their ideological bent get in the way of their profit motive.

The classic exampleis Hollywood.  The biggest selling films are all right wing and usually based upon British literature : Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Narnia, James Bond.  Yet Hollywood continues to make crappy lefty films starring George Clooney, that don&#039;t really make much money at all.

Here in Oz the Daily Newspapers are all leftish.  They are laying off staff at a rate of knots, because they are losing A and B class readers.  The right wing mags, such as the Spectator, thrive whilst the left wing ones close down with monotous regularity.  Let&#039;s face it, being a lefty is being a prat.  lefties are not free-thinkers, but moronic, follow-my-leader twits, who don&#039;t think so much as feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DZUnga</p>
<p>We all know that left-wing media organisations are going bust all over the World.  The problem is that they are not commercial enough.  They let their ideological bent get in the way of their profit motive.</p>
<p>The classic exampleis Hollywood.  The biggest selling films are all right wing and usually based upon British literature : Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Narnia, James Bond.  Yet Hollywood continues to make crappy lefty films starring George Clooney, that don&#8217;t really make much money at all.</p>
<p>Here in Oz the Daily Newspapers are all leftish.  They are laying off staff at a rate of knots, because they are losing A and B class readers.  The right wing mags, such as the Spectator, thrive whilst the left wing ones close down with monotous regularity.  Let&#8217;s face it, being a lefty is being a prat.  lefties are not free-thinkers, but moronic, follow-my-leader twits, who don&#8217;t think so much as feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Speaking of developing &#039;courage&#039;....

....I have to wonder when it was that Someone75 developed that trait sufficiently enough jump out of a perfectly good airplane in flight at the behest of our rich Uncle Sam.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Speaking of developing &#8216;courage&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.I have to wonder when it was that Someone75 developed that trait sufficiently enough jump out of a perfectly good airplane in flight at the behest of our rich Uncle Sam&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1405</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: All
RE: The Truth Will Out

&quot;I’d love to see people like Chuck develop the courage to go to Huffington Post and start trying to talk to people. No need to worry about that though. His type is too spineless to even tolerate the possibility of conflicting ideas.&quot; -- Someone 75

I&#039;m not allowed to post on Huffington&#039;s blog. Something, I guess, to do with being too cogent and effective.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you can&#039;t beat them, &#039;kick/ban/kill&#039; them.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: All<br />
RE: The Truth Will Out</p>
<p>&#8220;I’d love to see people like Chuck develop the courage to go to Huffington Post and start trying to talk to people. No need to worry about that though. His type is too spineless to even tolerate the possibility of conflicting ideas.&#8221; &#8212; Someone 75</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not allowed to post on Huffington&#8217;s blog. Something, I guess, to do with being too cogent and effective.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[If you can't beat them, 'kick/ban/kill' them.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1404</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Someone75, et al.
RE: As I Was Saying....

&quot;You could construct the most cogent argument ever, but Chuck is always already unwilling or unable (the latter is more likely) to understand.&quot; -- Someone75

Show me your Mensa membership ID number.....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I&#039;ll wager dollars against donunts that he/she can&#039;t.

And that&#039;s Krispy Kreme donuts.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Someone75, et al.<br />
RE: As I Was Saying&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;You could construct the most cogent argument ever, but Chuck is always already unwilling or unable (the latter is more likely) to understand.&#8221; &#8212; Someone75</p>
<p>Show me your Mensa membership ID number&#8230;..</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
P.S. I&#8217;ll wager dollars against donunts that he/she can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s Krispy Kreme donuts&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Someone75</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/03/25/our-clueless-critics/#comment-1311</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D Zunga,

haha - so, was I right about Chuck? Man alive. You could construct the most cogent argument ever, but Chuck is always already unwilling or unable (the latter is more likely) to understand.

I&#039;ve gone through the same good-faith invitation to dialogue, but it always ends up with the pre-adolescent fingers-in-ears LALALALALA-ICAN&#039;THEARYOU nonsense.

I&#039;ve had maybe three or four interesting discussions with people on PJMedia over the last year. I think you&#039;re dead on in your critique of right wing extremists and their hesitancy to enter into thoughtful dialogue. However, as much as I hate to say it, I think the left is guilty of that as well - at least sometimes.

I&#039;d love to see people like Chuck develop the courage to go to Huffington Post and start trying to talk to people. No need to worry about that though. His type is too spineless to even tolerate the possibility of conflicting ideas.

Someone75</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D Zunga,</p>
<p>haha &#8211; so, was I right about Chuck? Man alive. You could construct the most cogent argument ever, but Chuck is always already unwilling or unable (the latter is more likely) to understand.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gone through the same good-faith invitation to dialogue, but it always ends up with the pre-adolescent fingers-in-ears LALALALALA-ICAN&#8217;THEARYOU nonsense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had maybe three or four interesting discussions with people on PJMedia over the last year. I think you&#8217;re dead on in your critique of right wing extremists and their hesitancy to enter into thoughtful dialogue. However, as much as I hate to say it, I think the left is guilty of that as well &#8211; at least sometimes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see people like Chuck develop the courage to go to Huffington Post and start trying to talk to people. No need to worry about that though. His type is too spineless to even tolerate the possibility of conflicting ideas.</p>
<p>Someone75</p>
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