319 Comments

1. ~Paules:

Andrew,

You ask if leftists own mirrors? Yes, but only to reflect their narcissism. My best guess is that this condition is the result of the faux self-esteem training they received as kids. If a person is brought up to believe he’s bright and talented regardless of actual achievement, such a person becomes incapable of self-reflection. After all, he’s been told all his life that he’s perfect. So why bother thinking about it?

The condition is further exacerbated by parenting that does not deliver discipline and moral instruction when needed. My evidence is completely anecdotal from my experience as a classroom teacher. Nevertheless, I can tell you that lots of parents today believe that children arrive from the womb as moral and civil creatures. Just allow children time alone with their conscience and they’ll reconcile right and wrong all on their own. Big mistake. The first impulse of any child is to avoid punishment for wrongdoing. A moral conscience must be cultivated so that eventually an adult will emerge. Same pretty much goes for that virtue we call civility.

So, you get lots of hate mail from people who sound like uncivil, unthinking, spoiled adolescents? I’m not trained in clinical psychology, but I can spot arrested psychological development when I see it. It’s a condition rather common in the left. And it generally arrives with all the self-righteousness of a teenager who thinks he knows it all.

Mr. Obama has admitted that he allows people to project themselves onto him. His minions believe him to be an idealist like themselves. The tactic is as cynical as it is dishonest. His followers might wise up when they realize they’ve been used and cheated. Maybe.

Apr 2, 2009 - 7:39 pm 2. Paul Rhoads:

Also a “refugee” from New York–as I believe Klaven is–it is a perpetual cause of wonder how all the people I know can be so fixed in thier prejudice, so utterly unwilling to give the other side credit for the least degree even of sincerity. The non-left is not simply wrong, not simply blind, it is pernicious and machiavellian. Pondering this enigma it occurred to me yesterday that these people are like Cambodian peasants. They can be manipulated by demagogues into the most extreme states of mind, and made capable of the most extreme behaviors.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:36 am 3. elvis:

“The first impulse of any child is to avoid punishment for wrongdoing.”

Isn’t that the democrats in a nutshell?

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:40 am 4. RAH:

Leftist have their eyes wide shut.

Angie Harman said the GOP is more tolerant. I beieve that means more open minded.

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:05 am 5. Fragmentarian:

Don’t criticize us or we’ll attack you? Hmmm who does this remind us of?

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:34 am 6. KennyJ:

Rush Limbaugh has ideas? Wow that’s news. I’ve listened to his show and I haven’t heard any ‘ideas’ for years. All you hear these days is callers (probably republican plants) praising Rush. “Oh Rush, I named my bedroom carpet after you. You’re the greatest!!!!!!!” He never allows smart guests or callers to debate real ideas anymore.

I remember when he did though. He had a caller debate him about how companies pollute our rivers. Rush said companies would never do such a thing. The caller, in a very erudite fashion, destroyed Limbaugh’s premise. Turned out that the caller was Robert Kennedy. It was great radio.

Now all Rush does is mock and self congratulate and satirize opposing views. Ideas! I think not.

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:38 am 7. TugboatPhil:

Trashing the character of the Bush or Palin kids – Truth to Power

Merely uttering the names of Clinton, Gore, Obama or Biden kids – Pure Evil

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:41 am 8. Chris:

Mr. Klavan is still clinging to the once widely-conceded notion that American leftists have good intentions. I think this makes him a ‘moderate.’

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:59 am 9. pepito timbales:

KennyJ, you’re exactly what this article is about, you doofus… Robert Kennedy? The hypocritical limousine & lear jet loving liberal hack? Is that the best you can do? What a joke!

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:12 am 10. Christian Toto:

KennyJ … nonsense. Rush continually seeks out debate and delights in discussing ideas with those who disagree with him. He’s also very polite in doing so …

And why would a show like Rush’s require “plants?” What nonsense. His audience is massive. Why would he need ringers?

I’ll bet all the money I don’t have you’re not a regular listener.

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:18 am 11. Glenn Kenny:

Oh, hey, sorry Mr. Klavan, we didn’t know you were just teasing. I’m sure everybody would have been a lot nicer had that been understood. See, we got confused at the part where you said “lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward.” And then got more confused further down, where you too-coyly by half erred to yourself as “that nice Mr. Klavan.” You really don’t seem inordinately nice.

You say you listen to Limbaugh “every chance you get” and you’ve never heard him “utter a single racist, hateful or stupid word.” So you missed “take the bone out of your nose,” I guess. And playing the song “I’ll Never Love This Way Again” in a segment about AIDS may be a hateful ACT, but it didn’t involve the uttering of a hateful word, so you win on the technicality there. The recent business about Gordon Brown and “anal poisoning?” Well, if you say it isn’t hateful, nice Mr. Klavan, maybe I ought to take your word for it.

Another blogger evoked Ernest Hemingway’s disgusting but apt pronouncement that he didn’t need to eat a bowlful of scabs to tell that what he was eating were, well, scabs. There’s your Limbaugh challenge answered.

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:43 am 12. Glenn Kenny:

“erred” should read “referred.” Sorry.

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:45 am 13. KennyJ:

Christian … The plant comment was a joke because Rush is always accusing his callers of being plants (or fake soldiers !!!). There is much more debate on his show when he’s not there. I like his guest replacements better then him. But your right I never listen to the show (Pssst don’t tell anyone. It will be are little secret)

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:46 am 14. KennyJ:

Pepito…”The hypocritical limousine & lear jet loving conservative hack?” Our you talking about Limbaugh?

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:51 am 15. mishu:

Media Matters must be monitoring PJM now.

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:56 am 16. David:

The Left has mastered the art of the ad hominem. Hateful, bigoted, racist, greedy, etc etc, the list goes on. This is meant to shut you down and deligitize you. Nothing more. Conversation, discussion, engagement is therefore completely useless with them. This is a war and their goal is nothing but your complete annihilation. With that in mind I never engage a Leftist in conversation. It’s a complete waste of time.

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:13 am 17. John the Libertarian:

Good job, Andrew! STICK TO YOUR GUNS!

I sent your Limbaugh piece to my email folks – darn thing practically went viral.

It’s about time we started poking and prodding at the underlying personality disorders of today’s Left.

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:28 am 18. Morgan:

Robert Kennedy??

How old is Rush??

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:30 am 19. Mike N:

When you’re on Fox & Friends don’t be late — it’s 7:30 EDT not EST.

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:41 am 20. Pear:

Hi Andrew. I see you’ve read Derailing for Dummies. http://www.derailingfordummies.com/
I am impressed with how many steps you’ve incorporated. I’m still trying to learn a few at a time, but I can’t get any liberals to speak to me. :/

Apr 3, 2009 - 9:02 am 21. J Wilcox:

Having read your article, it does seem a bit combative. Yes I know that the majority of liberal media people can and often are more so, but I still don’t think that calling them “lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward.” is not particularly conducive to getting them to listen to Rush. Also, I don’t really think that Rush has said anything hateful/racist, but he has said some things that I find somewhat offensive. All that said, I will continue to listen to him.

Apr 3, 2009 - 9:36 am 22. Pajamas Media » Honk! You’re Hateful:

[...] Read the entire article here … [...]

Apr 3, 2009 - 9:37 am 23. Erasmus:

Of course, I remember the moment that, to me, Rush went from being sort of an amusing blowhard to being pretty vile in my book. Remember when Rush went deaf? For many months, Rush concealed that from both his listeners and employers by a) moving his show to Florida, b) using a voice modulator and c) putting a delay on his feed so he could have someone transcribe the calls in a way Rush could pretend were live. The thing that frosted me was that at the time this was happening, Rush had signed a SIZABLE contract extension. Of course, his syndicator was unaware of Rush’s illness at the time he signed the contract. Simply put, Rush defrauded his employers and never exactly apoligized to them for that.

Looking back, it seems that it was awfully interesting that Rush lost a ton of weight, went deaf AND was addicted to drugs. Hmmm..I wonder if that was all, you know, connected?

I worked in radio, in fact at a Rush station at the time this happened. He’s simply a phony. A rich phony, yes. A succesful phony, absolutely. But he’s still a phony. A thrice-divorced, drug bloated phony.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:03 am 24. Ms. Attitude:

20. Pear: Derailing for Dummies…I love it!! I went on Huffpo a few times and despite the fact that I had FACTS to back up what I wrote I was called stupid, racist and rich. I’m none of those things but it seemed like everyone on the board jumped on the name calling bandwagon! I guess that proved they were right becuase there were more of them.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:12 am 25. Delia:

I guess I am on the “Loud and Proud” side of telling it like it is and if someone wants to call me names for expressing my own opinion and beliefs then I could give a flying frickety frack. Bring it on! ;p

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:12 am 26. Steve P.:

Want to know the main difference between left wing hate and right wing hate?

Here it is:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/03/binghamton.shooting/index.html

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:20 am 27. CFM:

So, Erasmus, you have absolutely no rational response to any point ever made by Rush – in 20 some years of broadcasting. Just the usual twisted leftist sophistry and personal insults.

You are a textbook example of the leftist frauds described in this article.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:32 am 28. mike sullivan:

Erasmus,

So you’re saying that the network shouldn’t have to hire the differently abled? I thought that the Americans With Disabilities Act protected the right of the deaf to work, even requiring that their employers provide adaptive aids for them.

Frankly, I find your comments toward the disabled to be mean and hateful.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:39 am 29. Growltiger:

Andrew,

There’s a reason they’re called “Useful Idiots”.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:48 am 30. Joe Ferguson:

Andrew Klavan, you are on a roll. Please keep going.

I’m a reformed liberal, a 9/11 conservative. Yes, it took something that bad to finally shock me awake and start me listening to ideas outside The Matrix and beyond my liberal friends. What has startled me is how tightly, how dependently, they cling to their religiously-held beliefs (politics turned into religion). Try applying one drop of skepticism to their unchallenged doctrines and watch the acids roil and the expletives bubble up.

Consider just how wrong liberals are proving to be on momentous issues: the surge in Iraq, global warming, and pretty soon we will see: the economy. This much error is nearly beyond imagining, yet they march on, never questioning — many of them so well educated, yet so unwise.

I thought your original piece on Limbaugh was brilliant. One Rush statement that caught my recent attention was that: liberals are cruel. It’s a cruel belief system, for example the anti-family effects of the welfare system on poor folks. It’s a cruel belief system designed to make liberals feel good about themselves while spending unbelievable amounts of other people’s money on programs that have negative effects.

Well, they are busy, now, very busy dismantling our fair country, hammer and tong.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:50 am 31. view from afar:

And Steve p? what’s your point? Maybe you should update your sources…and not have a knee jerk reaction assuming certains prejudices to be true ‘member assume makes an ass out of u, but not me this time because I caught the hypocrocisy, and you prved the point of this article.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:01 am 32. Still Bill:

When the 1984 elections results came in and Reagan carried 49 states, someone asked an elderly New York City liberal Democrat woman elitist what her reaction was; she said: “I can’t believe it. Everyone I know voted for Mondale.” People who live in an insulated world tend to be quite ignorant. These class warriors on the left are going to find out what the UAW workers in Detroit are finding out: If you kill the golden goose laying the golden eggs, there won’t be anymore golden eggs. Approximately 50% of the people in the USA don’t pay federal income taxes. I’m tired of supporting the freeloaders (Democrats) in this country. I’m tired of supporting the bums (Democrats) that I have to support. I’m tired of class envy: If you helpless Democrats can’t make it without my money to support you, that’s your problem, not mine.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:03 am 33. The Shadow:

Honk if you think this article is stupid!

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:12 am 34. Steve P.:

Still Bill: “I’m tired of supporting the freeloaders (Democrats) in this country. I’m tired of supporting the bums (Democrats) that I have to support. I’m tired of class envy: If you helpless Democrats can’t make it without my money to support you, that’s your problem, not mine.”

Bill, trust me, the working people in the Blue States like NY and CA, are just as tired of supporting the poor conservative Red States with our federal tax dollars every year. But we got used to it, so I guess you can too.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:16 am 35. Steve P.:

view from afar:“And Steve p? what’s your point?”

I guess I would have to spell it out for you, wouldn’t I?

Right-winger + lack of education + one too many viewings of Hannity and Glenn Beck + populist rage + gun = dead innocent immigrants.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:21 am 36. mishu:

Steve is just one talking point parrot. Run along now. Go see Carville and Begala and find out what else you should say.

OUTLAW!

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:22 am 37. Andy Anderson:

It makes me uncomfortable in a way to even recognize a moron like Glenn Kenny, but the gauntlet has been dropped – I’m so weary of the left and this “Bone in his nose” garbage. To my knowledge, no one has ever been able to produce a transcript or a recording of said event – keep in mind that there are numerous left-wing organizations that have folks dedicated to recording and parsing every word that is spoken on the Limbaugh show, so don’t you think there might be some scrap of evidence somewhere? Unless you can provide some evidence that this happened, and I haven’t seen it yet, it would be nice to rely on verifiable FACTS, but that’s obviously too much to ask.

Now I’m going to go take a shower.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:24 am 38. AThinkingPerson:

Steve P…. You’re a boob. The Conservative Red States are the bread basket of this country. The largest retail corporation in the world is headquartered in a flyover state (AR). People in NY and CA should worry more about just being able to feed their own constituents. It seems their liberal leaders are sucking their paychecks dry and not showing any payoff to their citizens. So much for liberal leadership.

As for highlighting this latest tragedy to make a lame political point…just shows how truly pathetic you and your arguments are (again).

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:25 am 39. Righteous Bubba:

Leftists have always confused their good intentions with actual virtue.

Says the guy boosting the drug-addicted sex tourist.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:27 am 40. Erasmus:

27. I don’t think Rush has any real insight or any real predictive track record (he predicted that Bill Clinton’s tax increase would cause a depression, the opposite happened). He’s simply about tactics, and the whole Karl Rove 50%+1 mentality. Good for him, and he’s obviously good at it. But that doesn’t mean that he’s some sort of oracle. He did invent the talk-radio call screening philosophy of only letting sycophants on the air, no one on his show disagrees with him because they don’t make it past his screener.

28. Somewhere there’s a scarecrow missing his straw that you are using to make your strawman out of. Read what I actually said. When Rush went deaf, he took rather elaborate steps to conceal it from both his listeners AND employers. I personally found it slimy behavior, especially since he engaged in such deception right after signing a gigantic contract. But, if you want to interpret that as me being “hateful” towards the deaf, then you’re simply wrong. Frankly, I don’t exactly know why Rush felt the need to hide his illness, unless he was afraid of scrutiny of his explanation for his deafness (which is more pertinent considering his drug issues that soon cropped up later)

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:29 am 41. Erasmus:

37. Why do conservatives love Wal-Mart? They are filled with cheap Chinese goods, pay their workers next to nothing, and have demonstrably devastated mom and pop businesses on small town Main Streets, that can’t compete against a mega-chain that sells goods at a loss in order to drive out competitors. How many stores went out of business when Wal-Mart expanded?

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:31 am 42. Salty Alaskan:

Steve P,

Federal tax dollars? Your statement is so ironic I doubt you’re capable of understanding it.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:33 am 43. Mark:

Steve P. let me correct that math for you:

Product of liberal education + one too many liberal promises of government handouts + one too many broken promises from ineffective government + populist rage fomented by Obama administration + gun = dead innocent people, regardless of immigration status.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:38 am 44. AThinkingPerson:

#40 Erasmus….Only Conservatives love Wal-Mart? Geez… not that I know that much besides where their headquarters are BUT I can correlate having stores world-wide to being pretty popular with all sort of people wanting to save a buck or two. I’m correlating your wanting to trash a great American success story with your liberal bias against the average working man in favor of the union thugs. Unions are pretty great for a Democratic President and his ilk to get elected…not so much for the average working man trying to get by.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:41 am 45. Bonnie_:

My brother is the only one in the family to become a liberal.

I loved him dearly. We had an intellectual crowd of friends and we used to hang out and talk about everything, late into the night. He turned into a liberal in one semester of college and suddenly he wouldn’t debate, because we would cheerfully demolish his new liberal ideas. He got combative and angry and turned our evenings into a battlefield. Eventually he declared that he wouldn’t “put up with” anyone discussing politics. They were off limits because he declared they would be. Yes, he had become a liberal.

Today, years later, he is as encased in liberalism as a fly in amber. We’ve gone from politics to movies to books on subjects that HE WILL NOT DISCUSS. I miss the young, independent thinking brother I used to have.

I hate liberalism, leftism, whatever you want to call it. I hate it. It took my brother from me.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:41 am 46. Fat Man:

Erasmus: Check the dictionary for the definition of ad hominem fallacy. That is your post they are quoting.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:43 am 47. Mark:

Bubba, how has it escaped your notice that, in terms of his addiction, Rush is the epitome of what liberals constantly insist should be the paradigm for government policy? You and your ilk make it clear that your drug policy has nothing to do with helping people overcome addiction through the process of recovery and regaining control of their own lives and health. If it did you would be hailing Rush for successfully completing rehab and staying off drugs. Your guttersniping at him proves that all you’re interested in is making it as easy as possible for people to ruin their lives through easily accessible narcotics as long as productive taxpayers are footing the bill for government-run programs.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:44 am 48. Righteous Bubba:

He turned into a liberal in one semester of college and suddenly he wouldn’t debate, because we would cheerfully demolish his new liberal ideas.

Nonsense. No way you’re bright enough. Look:

My brother is the only one in the family to become a liberal.

and then

I miss the young, independent thinking brother I used to have.

This is what is called “hilarious”.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:47 am 49. Mad Dawg:

Wow, the lefties sure make up their facts and are selective in their compassion, aren’t they? So Rush is a drug addict. Some of the most insightful and the kindest people I know are recovering drug addicts. The “Sex tourist” charge is typical leftie guilt without trial much less verdict. Let an illegal alien be found standing over a still warm corpse with a gun in his hand, and he’s a victim of the justice system even after he’s tried and convicted. Let Viagra be found in Rush’s suitcase and he’s a convicted pervert. Way to be fair, lefties.

And now it’s somehow sneaky of Rush to compensate successfully for career threatening deafness? To judge by his performance in recent years he delivered on those contracts, and his audience is strong and, thanks to the Dear Leader, growing.

You lefties tolerate tax cheats and perverts like President Bubba (with a CIGAR?) if they will feed your fantasies.

And to the extent that we love Walmart, it’s because they do not sacrifice the poor for the sake of some liberal fantasy of main street before modern transportation and communication. People shop at Walmart because they find what they want at prices they like. That means Walmart is doing it right. You elitists stick with Whole Foods, where you won’t have to mingle with the riff-raff who can’t afford the scruples of the rich liberal.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:50 am 50. Erasmus:

44. “Union thugs”? Come on, Wal-Mart makes its money by paying their workers next to nothing and playing payroll games to avoid giving them health insurance. Again, it has been demonstrably shown that Wal-Mart decimated independently owned shops in Small Town Main Streets across the country, thus LOWERING the median incomes in such towns. I’m not sure it’s the American Dream to work at the only retail store in town for wages barely above the minimum wage. So, sorry I’m not going to be in awe of Wal-Mart’s success any more than I’d be in awe of a sweat shop.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:50 am 51. Righteous Bubba:

Your guttersniping at him proves that all you’re interested in is making it as easy as possible for people to ruin their lives through easily accessible narcotics as long as productive taxpayers are footing the bill for government-run programs.

Gee, that’s a lot of stuff I proved by taking issue with Klavan’s idiocy about intentions and virtue. Perhaps Rush has a speech about hypocrisy I could point to that will prove something about the capital gains tax.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:51 am 52. Mark:

After reading these comments and those on a few other posts, I think mishu @15 is right.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:51 am 53. Bill63:

Steve P. Yeah, a rightwing, hateful, Hannity-loving….ASIAN shot up the Civic Association in Binghamton. Possibly one of those sainted immigrants himself. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:52 am 54. wavynavy:

Please quote the people that sent you these emailia. You will be more credible in doing that. I read many folks that state they have been inundated with hate mail, but I find them not credible, as in incredible, because they don’t show the evidence.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:54 am 55. AThinkingPerson:

#49 Erasmus…. You’ve made my point. You’re spouting off each and every union talking point. Nice job though. Why don’t you proceed to tell us how the UAW has aided GM in succeeding? Love to hear your spin on that.

Wal-Mart is doing great in this economy. If you don’t shop there I’m guessing they won’t miss your nickle.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:55 am 56. David S:

Rush is an entertainer. His show is hilarious. As long as you don’t believe a word of it – his show is a laugh riot.

Thanks for a laugh. Next time please be more polite.

Peace.

DS

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:55 am 57. Steve P.:

Mark:
Product of liberal education + one too many liberal promises of government handouts + one too many broken promises from ineffective government + populist rage fomented by Obama administration + gun = dead innocent people, regardless of immigration status.

So a liberal education was responsible for a right-winger taking a gun and killing innocents? That’s funny, because I thought you conservatives were all about personal responsibility, yet you’re really good at blaming liberals for your own disgusting criminal behavior.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:59 am 58. Erasmus:

49. Again with the false choices. A person who doesn’t shop at Wal-Mart doesn’t necessarily shop at Whole Foods. Tell you what, ask your employer to slash your wages to minimum wage so he can provide his customers with prices they like. If that sensibility is good enough for Wal-Mart, then it ought to be good enough for you, no?

53. Fine, the man was Asian. So, if he were at one time an immigrant, care to explain why he shot up an immigration center? Any ideas? If anything, he failed to aim big, like famous conservative caucasian Timothy McVeigh.

Apr 3, 2009 - 11:59 am 59. Al Gator:

Erasmus:

(he predicted that Bill Clinton’s tax increase would cause a depression, the opposite happened)

Typical moonbat silliness. I know moonbats have limited intellect and almost no memory.

Newsflash: Clinton’s draconian tax increase did not cause the predictable destruction BECAUSE, listen closely now, Clinton got his butt handed to him on a platter in the 1994 election. The incoming Republican congress put a bit in his mouth and reigned him in by forcing him to cut spending by 16.5 bil and in 1997, the Republican-led Congress passed a tax-relief and deficit-reduction bill that was resisted but ultimately signed by President Clinton. That was what caused the so-called Clinton economy.

Once republicans got him reigned in and saddled, he also signed on to welfare reform (kicking and screaming all the way)!!

Typical moonbat, scramble the truth until it becomes a new reality.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:00 pm 60. Erasmus:

54. I’m going to ask you a direct question here, and I want a a direct answer. Given your apparent hostility towards unions, do you feel that unions should in fact be made illegal in the United States? Should the right to collective bargaining be abolished? Yes or no?

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:01 pm 61. misanthropicus:

Time and again – left, leftiness is (or are) not a attitude generated by convictions acquired through life experience, reading, thinking things over, etc. While age is clearly important here, leftiness going together with acnee and underdeveloped mental processing power, post adolescentin leftiness is a matter of hardware or wiring – a lefty simply cannot think in different terms, cannot address the objective reality (which, certes, can be very frustrating) other than in anger, with resent, with accusations or insults, or violence.

Any cursory examination of world’s history shows how true my view (and so many other people’s view as well) is correct – think only about the phenomenal record of murders commited by left in the past century’s Europe, from Hitler to Spain’s Republicans to Stalin to the later day Eastern European communist dictators.

Is the evokation of 100 million murdered people enough to change a MoveOnOrg’s member convictions? Not at all – they’re all furiously barking, talking about change, etc.

And, equally ugly, are the prospects of this situation – we’ll always have lefties around, ready to disrupt the civil public discourse.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:01 pm 62. Erasmus:

54. By the by, I don’t shop at Wal-Mart primarily because the goods they sell are utter crap.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:02 pm 63. elvis:

Gee Steve P
Do you remember VA. TECH?
You are quite the adolescent idiot.

History has proven over and over how the left always resorts to violence.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:02 pm 64. Steve P.:

54. AThinkingPerson: “Wal-Mart is doing great in this economy. If you don’t shop there I’m guessing they won’t miss your nickle.”

Yes, Wal Mart is doing great, and always has, at the expense of the American worker and the American small business owner. And you’re proud of this. And this is precisely why Americans hate your party – you value your ideology over your constituents. And that’s why the GOP is dead.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:05 pm 65. Erasmus:

63. You mean like the guy who shot up the church in Knoxville because he read Bernie Goldberg’s book and “wanted to kill liberals”?

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:06 pm 66. Erasmus:

61. Franco was a right-winger.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:07 pm 67. misanthropicus:

RE #11/Glenn Kenny: [...] See, we got confused at the part where you said “lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward.” [...] Ernest Hemingway’s disgusting but apt pronouncement that he didn’t need to eat a bowlful of scabs to tell that what he was eating were, well, scabs. There’s your Limbaugh challenge answered. [...]”

Kenny, you monument of erudition: a summary review of Hemingway’s attitude during and regarding the left-wing butchery that the Spanish Civil War was should stop you in mentioning him as a morality yardstick – but has ever a lefty looked at a bloody tyranny other than admiringly?
Think you y/self -

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:08 pm 68. elvis:

Erasmus, if I thought you could read I would respond to your adolescent idiocy.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:08 pm 69. Bill63:

Steve P…Come on, admit it. You’re actually disappointed that the shooter today was a minority, aren’t you. Your bigotry is on display for all to see. Blame whitey, right?

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:08 pm 70. Mark:

Steve P., your attempted response shows why you and your ilk will never figure out what’s going on. Until reading your comments here and elsewhere I never really understood what kind of person Epictetus had in mind in Discourses 1.5. Thanks to you that problem is resolved. Thanks, in a weird way.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:08 pm 71. Robbie Clark:

Erasmus: “54. I’m going to ask you a direct question here, and I want a a direct answer. Given your apparent hostility towards unions, do you feel that unions should in fact be made illegal in the United States? Should the right to collective bargaining be abolished? Yes or no?”

No. Unions are terrible and basically socialist organizations that increase unemployment, prices, and generally reduce market efficiency, but the right of the people to band together as they see fit should not be infringed.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:15 pm 72. Erasmus:

59. If one remembers, the whole 1994 Congressional changeover was largely based on Clinton overreaching with a poorly written health care bill, and not anything to do with his 1993 tax increase. Of course, the recession was over by 1994. If Clinton was so horrible, how exactly did he cruise to re-election by a wider margin than he did in 1992? Was that thanks to the Republicans again?

I am impressed with the GOP’s ability to say that a Democratic President had nothing to do with the economic success of his administration, but completely absolve the Republican successor of any blame for the economic catastrophe that occurred on his watch.

69. You ever notice that the only people who ever actually say the word “whitey” are self-described conservatives wringing their hands at delusions that other people call them “whitey’?

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:18 pm 73. Erasmus:

71. Robbie. So, you are arguing that unions are horrible organizations that have nothing but negative effects, but that the right to collective bargaining should still be honored? If you have collective bargaining, you invariably have a union, unless you’re inventing some new organization here?

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:20 pm 74. Mark:

Oddly enough, Erasmus, it probably was. By checking Bill Clinton’s excesses and allowing for recovery, the GOP set the stage for people to feel content in ‘96 and reelect him.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:21 pm 75. Mark:

Republicans are equally impressed at Democrats’ ability to absolve their own of the blame for their failures while holding Republicans to a completely different standard.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:22 pm 76. misanthropicus:

RE #66/Erasmus: “Franco was a right-winger.”

Lefty gobbledygook, buddy – Franco was a CONSERVATIVE, that is he rightly saw on what a terrible path the left were willing to take that country. Spain at the time when Franco came from Africa and began to stabilize it, was an aimless, post-colonial metropolis country, with many social problems unresolved, and undermined by a rabid, Soviet Union-supported left.

Wars are ugly, Civil wars are uglier, particularly when outside forces cynically manoever parties and try to get advantage of one or another predicament (if you need a vomitiv, a review of Soviet Union’s role in the Spanish Civil War would work pefectly – if you are an honest man, of course), and Franco did a great thing in getting rid of the left destroying that country/civilization.

Now return to your ACORN headquarters – the debit cards have arrived, and you can buy more dope.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:24 pm 77. Robbie Clark:

Erasmus, unions have good effects for their members and organizers (the organizers primarily) in the short term, but look at the auto-workers union. That is unsustainable. It is up the employer whether they honor the unions demands or fire them. What is your question about any more? I know it’s impossible for someone such as yourself to imagine that people doing something I don’t approve of should be allowed to live, much less keep doing what they’re doing.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:25 pm 78. Ms. Attitude:

26. Steve P.: The shooter was so far left, you are right, lefties are a lot less stable!

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:25 pm 79. Robbie Clark:

76. Assuming Erasmus was right and Franco was a right-winger, is that the best he can come up with? The leftist mass murderers are much more obvious.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:26 pm 80. Erasmus:

76. So, because Franco was a right wing dictator, that’s ok, because he wasn’t a left wing dictator? Yes, keeping Gibralter safe for the allies was a good thing, but let’s not pretend that he was in any way shape or form a good guy.

Ooooh…an ACORN joke…wow..you PJ guys are so incredibly witty.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:27 pm 81. Steve in AZ:

Steve P – Because of your comments I will never ever listen to anything you say. Your political beliefs may differ from my own, but that was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Your pigeonholing of this tragic event into “right wing” hate discredits all of your future arguments.

What you wrote is truly hate speech.

I recommend that you speak to a professional as there is much hate in your heart when you can blame someone’s political views for the senseless killing of innocent people. This is the same mentality/though process that blames Bush for 9-11. Please seek help.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:29 pm 82. elvis:

How funny it is to see so many people suddenly show up on this site that sound just like Barney Frank. You’ve done a great job Andrew of shining a light on a lot of morons.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:32 pm 83. Robbie Clark:

Allow me to rephrase my last sentence from post 77.

I know it’s impossible for someone such as yourself (Erasmus) to imagine that people doing something you don’t approve of should be allowed to live, much less allowing them to keep doing what they’re doing. Some of us think freedom is a good thing though and that is belongs to all people, not just ourselves.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:33 pm 84. SusanB:

KennyJ said:
“I remember when he did though. He had a caller debate him about how companies pollute our rivers. Rush said companies would never do such a thing. The caller, in a very erudite fashion, destroyed Limbaugh’s premise. Turned out that the caller was Robert Kennedy. It was great radio.”
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Hmmm, Rush Limbaugh was born in 1951. Robert Kennedy died in 1968. So according to you, Rush had a popular radio talk show when he was only 17 years old!

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:33 pm 85. Erasmus:

74. Let’s not forget that Newt shutting down the government in a budget snit with Clinton backfired and gave the Republicans the image of being an unserious group of reactionaries. It wasn’t fair, to be sure, but the 90’s GOP made their hatred of Clinton way too personal and allowed themselves to be triangulated at every turn by him.

77. So, there should be no auto workers unions then? While the GM benefits were overly generous, they were also made at a time when we still had both a manufacturing base and a middle class. One could say that the main failure of the supply-side economic theory is that the middle class begun to shrink, manufacturing jobs were sent overseas, and that real wages began to shrink. However, would you also agree that GM’s utterly short sighted management practices that emphasized the SUV at the expense of everything else bit that company in the behind when oil prices spiked?

79. Don’t worry, the center-right US at least this century has racked up a pretty impressive body count of its own.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:34 pm 86. Erasmus:

82. Look, fuckwad. Where on earth did I ever say or even imply that people I disagreed with politically shouldn’t be “allowed to live”? If anything, the fine people at PJ Media seem to have their doubts that those who disagree with them are even human beings.

Freedom does belong to all people, even those who can’t afford to pay for its benefits.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:36 pm 87. Robbie Clark:

83. Approximately 100 million people were murdered in the 20th century because of leftist dictators.

Correct, people should not join unions and have their individual efforts and merits made invisible to companies.

No, I would not agree that GM’s short-sighted managment practices concerning SUVs and trucks were a primary problem for them. (Look at the top selling vehicles last year.) Their short-sighted management practices dealing with unions were the primary cause of their problems.

84. If you’re not a leftist that thinks things he doesn’t agree with politically or economically should be illegal then I apologize.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:44 pm 88. Stergeye:

Can’t remember who said it, but it applies:
The Left always demands that the Right be judged by it’s accusations, while at the same time demanding that THEY be judged by their good intentions.
Probably sounded better in French.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:47 pm 89. Ms. Attitude:

ErASSmus: You must be a union boss…filling your pockets.

The liberals are very polar, elite liberals and poor liberals. The ones that think everybody else is to stupid to take care of themself and the ones that think they need to be taken care of. The Elite Liberal says, “let me do it for you becuase you can’t do it yourself.” The poor liberal says, “do it for me because I am incapable!”

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:47 pm 90. elvis:

I wouldn’t back down Robbie Clark… a lefty is a lefty… they don’t think we should live, and if we do live they want to control us.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:48 pm 91. PHIL THE THRILL:

My fellow conservatives….remember 2 things:
1. If you argue with a moron (Erasmus, Steve P, ad nauseum) you are in grave danger of becoming one yourself
2. Truth of Life #1 – “the foundation of Liberalism is dishonesty”

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:50 pm 92. Andy B:

Ann Coulter wrote, [paraphrase] people don’t get mad when you lie about them. They get when you tell the truth.

For the longest time I didn’t quite understand what she meant. But then it hit me like an Obama tax hike.

When what you believe is a lie–liberalism–and you can’t defend it and then someone points out that what you believe is a lie. I.E. telling the truth about what you believe. You get mad.

But conversely, when you agree with what they believe, which liberalism is the prince of lies, they don’t have a problem with you.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:52 pm 93. Robbie Clark:

90. Oh, I’m not backing down. Leftists by definition think the government should control things. And what is government control but force and coercion under threat of death? What I was bringing up was that it may be possible that Erasmus is just playing devil’s advocate and isn’t actually a leftist at all.

Apr 3, 2009 - 12:53 pm 94. AThinkingPerson:

Erasmus, Erasmus, Erasmus… You don’t shop at Wal-Mart because they sell “crap”? Hmm… I’m guessing Tide is only sold at Wal-Mart? Coke only at Wal-Mart? Goodyear tires only at Wal-Mart? National Geographic Magazine only at Wal-Mart? Play-School toys only at Wal-Mart?

You’re right Erasmus. Wal-Mart does sell only “crap”. What a lame-ass argument.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:00 pm 95. elvis:

This has been fun to read, but I gotta go to Walmart to buy some mirrors, just in case i run into a lefty.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:05 pm 96. AThinkingPerson:

#64 Steve P… You’ve sunk too low on this thread for me to respond to any of your posts. You’ve shown your seedy, racist, bigoted underbelly and I, for one, will no longer entertain dialog with you.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:09 pm 97. AThinkingPerson:

#93 elvis… Hey, I might see you at Wal-Mart. I’m going in tonight to buy 2 of everything just to make up for the nickle that they won’t get from Erasmus! I’m sure K-Mart will be glad he’s still a regular. They apparently don’t sell “crap” like Wal-Mart. Heck, I might just go everyday this week just to make a point!

I’m starting to love Wal-Mart even more now that I know it really pisses off liberals!

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:14 pm 98. Susan:

Life in a small Liberal Town:

I’m a stay at home mother of 2 small children who happens to live a very liberal small town in Maryland. I have a neighbor who I used to consider a friend – a woman who happens to be a single Mom and also happens to be a knee jerk liberal. I used to take care of her child for her while she dealt with her “latest emotional turmoil”. During the build-up to the elections she asked me what I thought of the candidates and the recent downturn in the economy…. I told her the truth, that at the time I was undecided and most of my life I had been a-political. She gave me her liberal take on things and I responded by sharing other views that were more conservative than hers. Views I happened to agree with. I e-mailed her such videos as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

I also sent her some straight shooting pieces written by Thomas Sowell and Victor Davis Hansen. Well the vitrol that came shooting back via e-mail was unbelievable. Not one of her arguments were well thought out, just angry Bush bashing.

It was but a few days later I was out walking with my child and all the other neighbors were also out on the street standing in a group talking while the kids were playing just several feet away. They were bashing Sarah Palin calling her a F’ing C*#t -not bothering to tamper down their language or hatefulness in front of a bunch of small kids. Fortunately my child was off somewher else at the time.

Anyway,I saw her standing amongst the a group telling them something. When I walked over to her, a jokingly nudged her and said “Hey, it’s your closet republican friend.” She snickered, “Well you’re not in the closet anymore.”

I quickly collected my child and we went home to dinner.
I supose next I know they will be showing up at my doorstep with pitchforks to drag me out the door in front of my kids to shave my head.
Liberals – so accepting of others, as long as you agree with them.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:14 pm 99. Erasmus:

87. I need a clarification. On one hand you say that there shouldn’t be unions, but you still say people should have the right to collectively bargain? Such a body of collective bargaining is known as a UNION. What kind of non-union collective bargaining do you actually have in mind, because I don’t think you’re being very clear.

91. So, if government control is a bad thing, do you feel that we should have things like the FDA for instance? Isn’t that just a form of government control over the food and medicinal industries?

92. The vast majority of what Wal-Mart sells is crap. Their clothing is crap. Their electronics are crap. Their toys are crap. Frankly, Wal-Marts are generally filthy stores. I can go to Target for all of that stuff, and I know that Target is a more responsible corporation than Wal-Mart will EVER be.

I can buy detergent and soda at King Soopers or Target for fairly comprable prices. I can go to Borders’ to buy a National Geographic (and even buy a CD or DVD that Wal-Mart won’t stock because religious groups freak out over a boob or curse word). I can buy clothes at Macy’s or Kohl’s because those clothes won’t fall apart after two washings the way cheap-ass Wal-Mart sweat shop clothing does.

It is interesting to see all you “small business” conservatives completly ignoring the demonstrated negative affect that Wal-Mart had on small businesses in Main Street America. I guess the whole “small business” talking point is just something you play when freaking out on Hannity about taxes, when in reality you could give two shits that the American Dream has evaporated for many many Americans who simply couldn’t sell goods at a loss like Wal-Mart.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:14 pm 100. Erasmus:

95. Tell you what, when you go to Wal-Mart tonight, ask five employees how much they get paid per hour, and if they have health insurance provided by their employers? Ask them if they own a house or rent. Then go to Costco or Target and ask their employees the same thing.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:18 pm 101. Righteous Bubba:

Oh, I’m not backing down.

Comments 83 and 87 are backing down.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:19 pm 102. Robbie Clark:

96. Yes, unions should not exist and people should not form them. That does not mean I think unions should be illegal. I don’t see how that is unclear to you unless you are the leftist I originally thought you to be then it would be inconceivable to you how I could hold such a position.

Yes, I do not think there should be an FDA or very many other government programs and agencies.

97. Erasmus, no company on earth pays for its employees’ health insurance. All of that cost comes from the employees themselves.

When complaining about how much Walmart pays, it is important to ask yourself what is the alternative? No job? Working at a gas station? Going on welfare. Surely working at Walmart is better than the alternatives the employees have or they wouldn’t be working there.

Also, you may be oversimplifying the differences between places like Target and Walmart. The requirements to work there and expectations those companies have may be entirely different than Walmart and justify the higher wages and health insurance.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:25 pm 103. AThinkingPerson:

Erasmus… I’ll ask each and EVERY time I go into Wal-Mart. Just in case you’ve been living in a cave… Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, Dollar General, etc, etc. all sell basically the same goods. All the same brands. All the same lines, sometimes under different labels. The only difference is price. Why don’t you give the extra money you throw away shopping for the same stuff at Target and buy a homeless person a meal or something? Or does that go against your liberal, high-brow sensibilities?

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:26 pm 104. moody skeptic:

Nice work Andrew! Your Limbaugh Challenge is simple yet brilliant… I have NOT been able to get my lib friends or family to give Rush a fair listen in 15 years! My sister accepted your challenge and she will “try”. Hmph, seems she had to read it in LATimes to move. Rush drives the hateful Left crazy.

He’s like Holy Water to Beelzebub… they just can’t get themselves to let down the progressive blinder guard. And the newest twist: they are SO invested in shiny hopeful Obama that they can’t countenance ANY criticism of their Savior. Good work, Andrew, on creating the challenge.

When it all goes horribly bad and the revolution begins, I’ll get the word out that you shall be spared

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:27 pm 105. Robbie Clark:

98. Come on Bubba, read the rest of #87. Post 83 was a clarification because I thought my wording was unclear the first time I posted it.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:28 pm 106. AThinkingPerson:

#99 Robbie Clark… You make great arguments but I really think Erasmus would rather a town have one mom-and-pop grocery store employing 5 family members than a Supercenter that employs 200.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:29 pm 107. Robbie Clark:

102: Erasmas certainly has made some strange arguments and non-sequiturs and ad hominem attacks that make no sense.

Let me clarify something for you Erasmus: Conservatives love small business. They love low prices. They love successful business (even if it’s big). But you know what they really love? Freedom and competition. The give and take of the market place and the laws and forces of nature governing it. Not the artificial control by politicians, bureaucrats, and busy-bodies trying to control other peoples’ lives.

If a small businessman fails, a conservative isn’t happy about that, but he is happy about another business rising up and providing a better service at a lower cost. And happy that the failed business man has the opportunity to dust himself off and try again. Not the government net maintaining the status quo and holding down the common man from bettering himself.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:38 pm 108. Righteous Bubba:

98. Come on Bubba, read the rest of #87. Post 83 was a clarification because I thought my wording was unclear the first time I posted it.

You said something dumb, you backed down. Embrace the reasonable! It’s okay!

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:40 pm 109. one of my own:

I was wondering where all that ammo went. Now we know. Well at least we know where 19 rounds went, don’t we.

Apr 3, 2009 - 1:41 pm 110. HalifaxCB:

#26 – Steve P – the shooter was apparently of Vietnamese origin. I don’t know if if he was right wing or left wing; I would guess that he was just simply unbalanced, and maybe the whole event was triggered by his (reportedly) losing his job. I would be curious as to how you drew the political conclusion, and why you even considered it relevant.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:21 pm 111. Trid:

The best thing about Wal-Mart is that most of their ‘generic’ products are made in the good old US of A.

Ruining America?

I think not.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:22 pm 112. Erasmus:

” Yes, unions should not exist and people should not form them. That does not mean I think unions should be illegal. I don’t see how that is unclear to you unless you are the leftist I originally thought you to be then it would be inconceivable to you how I could hold such a position.” – This is a weirdly constructed argument, you think that unions shouldn’t exist but they should be legal? So, if they’re going to be legal, than you have no business trying to prevent people from exercising their legal rights. After all, conservatives claim to love the rule of law. So, if you truly feel unions shouldn’t exist, then make them illegal. To be perfectly honest, I think that if unions gave money to Republicans, then all of a sudden the party would change its tune. Just sayin’…

“Yes, I do not think there should be an FDA or very many other government programs and agencies.” – so, no FDA. So who will make sure that food isn’t poisoned and that medicines actually do what they say? The “limited government” idea has appeal, but when you guys talk about eliminating the FDA that’s when you lose people on the fence.

“Erasmus, no company on earth pays for its employees’ health insurance. All of that cost comes from the employees themselves.” -

umm…and the employees’ salaries come from the companies they work for. Companies factor the cost of the group health plan into the salaries they offer. In the case of Wal-Mart, they basically don’t offer health insurance to the majority of their employees, and then don’t pay them enough for the employees to buy their own private plan.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:32 pm 113. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Andrew Klavan, et al.
RE: The Truth Will Out…

….the left’s ability to act hatefully while in the very act of accusing the right of hatefulness does point to yet another of the many ways the media skew our political discourse. In the mainstream media—the left’s media, I mean—the standard for what is hateful is completely different for the right and left. — Andrew Klavan

It’s all hypocrisy. And, as we discussed in my Friday Morning Mens’ Bible Study Group, we determined that He has a special place in His heart for hypocrites.

RE: Their ‘Force of Argument’….

Jon Stewart shouts the F-word on air at Governor Sarah Palin, oh, what a witty fellow he is, how outrageous, how puckishly he bends the rules! — Andrew Klavan

….based on MY experience IS how loudly they can ‘deliver’.

I had an experience like that two weeks ago with a ‘professor’ from the local branch university. All of their ‘argument’ was based on how loudly they could shout at me. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I was polite and did not bring up the fact that my voice, when necessary, will carry over the roar of four turbo-prop engines of a C130, with the doors OPEN, to every one of the 64 paratroopers in the fuselage, giving them instructions as we’re all about to step out and take the ‘air’.

I think that’s a few decibels over what the ‘professor’ was delivering at. Besides, it would have turned her ‘do’ into a fright-wig. Think Phyllis Diller.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Maybe there’s a bit of the ‘gentleman’ in me after all, despite the US Army not commissioning me “an officer and a gentleman”.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:33 pm 114. Erasmus:

Tell me, Robbie, since you feel the market is a mystical force, do you feel that we should even have minimum wage laws? How about child labor laws? Workplace safety laws? How about the Sherman Anti-Trust law, should that be scrapped as well? Just how far are you willing to go here?

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:38 pm 115. Steve P (but not Steve P):

Steve P.-

Please stop ruining things for all of us sharing an identical moniker. I’ve lurked here a bit–just long enough to be amused and later offended by your blathering on–and I have to tell you, you need a bit of education, yourself.

Here are your stated criteria: Right-winger + lack of education + one too many viewings of Hannity and Glenn Beck + populist rage + gun = dead innocent immigrants.

Here’s my deal: Conservative (though more libertarian than right-winger) + one BA, an MA and an MS + a regular Hannity, Beck & O’Reilly viewer (no such thing as “one too many viewings”) + rage (not important to me if it’s populist) + no gun for 51 years (but it’s in the process) = no one dead, immigrant or otherwise, at present. It also equals a man who knows reality from fiction, who can think for himself, have a discussion without name-calling and who can spot a zealot (on either side) in a heartbeat.

And since you’ll ask, my BA and MA are in English Literature and 19th century American literature (with emphases in rhetoric and composition), respectively; while my MS is in Library and Information Science. (It kills liberals when I throw that in.) Further, I live in Southern California, and I’ve been a teacher or LMS for pushing 30 years. So, namesake or no, believe me when I tell you that my experience with both the left wing and being the only pair of jeans in a room full of suits makes me more than qualified to analyze your sweeping generalizations and then to summarily dismiss them as being beyond simply ill-informed.

Still, we share the same sobriquet; yet I am everything you are not. I guess I must be the outlier. . . .

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:39 pm 116. Rachel Peepers:

Hi, all.

While Delia may have noticed because we’ve become cyber soul sisters in this cyber world of polite and sometimes not so polite discourse, my posts have slackened off as I’ve become more and more distraught over the direction the Bama One has taken this country. It seems like nothing, especially blond, blue eyed lil’ ole Rachel Peepers, can stop the brown eyed handsome man from destroying most everything that’s good and decent about the US of A. The bombastic one reminds me of one of those movie monsters that attacks Tokyo. Then somebody gets the idea that the power and electricity that feeds him, if force fed, could be the end of him. And that’s how the monster is destroyed.

Could Obama actually get too much power to the point he loses all but the most illiterate, ignorant support?

I don’t know.

Regardless, I feel it’s time for Rachel Peepers to leave the blogging to people with a lot tougher skins and smarter mindsets. Rachel’s resigned herself to the realization that it’s time to sign off.

Anybody who wants to stay in touch with me can reach me at this email address: force630@consolidated.net.

God bless America.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:40 pm 117. Bilgeman:

#110 Halifax:
“I would be curious as to how you drew the political conclusion, and why you even considered it relevant.”

I’d hazard an educated guess that it’s because Steve P.’s head is packed chock-full of sh+t, and it has plugged up his vent holes.

I could be wrong.

But I don’t think I am.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:42 pm 118. AThinkingPerson:

Erasmus… No one was talking of scrapping laws except you. Apparently you’d like more laws? What’s left to legislate? Laws that regulate the number of craps you can take a day? Come on Erasmus. Is there ever enough government for you? Can you not function as a human being without a regulation dictating what you can and cannot do? See how juvenile that is? Government should butt out of our lives. It’s not their job to provide every need we have. Governments role is the safety and security of it’s citizens. That’s where liberals have it all backwards. They want a nanny state where everyone has a giant parachute attached to their back. There’s something to be said and gained from personal responsibility.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:44 pm 119. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bilgeman
RE: Steve ‘P’

I’d hazard an educated guess that it’s because Steve P.’s head is packed chock-full of sh+t, and it has plugged up his vent holes. — Bilgeman

I suspect that’s why Steve’s ‘P’ reminds me of a tongue sticking out…..

….too much s— in his head.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]

P.S. And so will too much s—.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:45 pm 120. Bilgeman:

#111 Erasmus:
“In the case of Wal-Mart, they basically don’t offer health insurance to the majority of their employees, and then don’t pay them enough for the employees to buy their own private plan.”

And yet people still work for them…why do you think that is?

You’ve swallowed a lot of propaganda here, bud, rather like a pelican in a sewage pond.

Look…Wal-Mart started out as one of those “Mom’n'Pop” operations that you’re mooning about, and then a few things happened.

First, they went for economies of scale. Where a Mom’n'Pop would buy a pallet, Wal-Mart bought a boxcar…that allowed Wal-Mart to pass those savings along to its’ customers.

Second, Wal-Mart went with the “big-box” philosophy…building mega square-footage facilities out in the exurbs, (where land was cheaper), and where it could draw suburban and rural folks.
Wal-Mart is environmentally friendly, BTW, try living in the country…one stop and you can buy everything from a case of beer to radial tires to women’s wear to eyeglasses…do you realize how much driving that saves?

Third, (and this is the dirty little not-so-secret that retailing prefers not to broadcast), Wal Mart pays it’s employees the going market rate for non-unionized retail employees. Its’,(ahem!),compensation packages are pretty much in line with what the shelf-stocker or price-scanner would make at Food Lion or Shoppers Food Warehouse or Sears or K-Mart.

And fourth, Sam Walton was an avid private pilot, and would fly around the MidWest, checking the parking lots of his stores. If a Wal-Mart didn’t have many cars in it’s lot during business hours, Ole Sam was likely to land nearby and pop in to find out WHY.

But for some reason, Wal Mart has become some kind of Lefty Mythical Bugbear.

It only works if you can “doublethink” your way past the facts that Wal Mart is just better at retailing than anyone else.

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:58 pm 121. Bilgeman:

#119 Chuck Pelto:
“I suspect that’s why Steve’s ‘P’ reminds me of a tongue sticking out…..
….too much s— in his head.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]
P.S. And so will too much s—”

I’ll tell you this, if he looks like he’s gonna sneeze, you’d better head for the lifeboats…or at least have an old pair of hip-waders on.

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:10 pm 122. Robbie Clark:

116: I was certainly talking about scrapping laws, although Erasmus brought it up.

111: See Erasmus, I knew I was right. Just because I think something shouldn’t exist what right does that give me to make it illegal for other people to do? What right do I have to coerce them with force and threat of imprisonment and death if they do things I don’t like? How is my argument weirdly constructed?

Erasmus: “So who will make sure that food isn’t poisoned and that medicines actually do what they say?”

How about the people? How about the consumer? Just ask yourself Erasmus, are YOU going to buy poisoned food or food you don’t know is clean or not? This is the leftist assumption: Other people are too stupid to look after themselves. I, the leftist, of course am not so stupid as to do these things so I must herd the people like sheep. You are the one with the weirdly constructed argument.

Erasmus: “umm…and the employees’ salaries come from the companies they work for. Companies factor the cost of the group health plan into the salaries they offer.”

Ok good. At least you understand that. Your previous statement implied that you think businesses provide health insurance as a charity to their employees.

113. The market is no more a mystical force than gravity, relativity, or hurricanes are mystical forces. You really need to look into the history and economics of minimum wage laws. It is very difficult to make a good case for them. Nearly all laws should be repealed so I would probably say yes to those, but of course would need to know the specifics of each before I could get into that.

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:12 pm 123. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

I thought this thread was about the liberal propensity to call names. Why are we talking about who at Walmart has insurance?

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:13 pm 124. Robbie Clark:

Oh, and Erasmus you did carefully ignore many points I made about Walmart, the market, and conservatives. Good job.

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:14 pm 125. Dee:

Eurasmus

Isn’t freedom wonderful? You don’t shop at WalMart because of a lack of union employees.
I shop at WalMaart because in our location they hire and train folks who are almost unhirable. They know they are providing entry level jobs for the less astute of us. They provide needed income for our retired citizens whose pension doesn’t last until the end of the month. I find that very comforting and good.

They have cheaper prices for some items I use and a great garden section. So I am happy with the freedom of choice to shop or not to shop there.

I find that unions have outlived their usefulness. They are bankrupting us with too high wages, too high pensions and too high benefits. But with enough freedom in the marketplace it will sort itself out.

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:18 pm 126. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bilgeman
RE: I’ll Probably….

“I’ll tell you this, if he looks like he’s gonna sneeze, you’d better head for the lifeboats…or at least have an old pair of hip-waders on.” — Bilgeman

…take a more ‘pro-active’ approach.

Something like sticking his head up his fourth-point-of-contact in order to re-establish the proper dynamic equilibrium of brown and gray matter in both locations.

[Note: Pardon me. Something about 'organic' chemistry from my bachelorette daze....]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[People with great gifts are easy to find, but symmetrical and balanced ones never. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]

P.S. Certainly not in this individual’s ‘case’…..

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:19 pm 127. AtheistConservative:

“You’ve never heard ‘take the bone out of your nose’”

Nobody’s heard that. Know why? Because Rush made that statement in a print interview. He was asked some question about regrets and he said “Yeah I regret early in my career saying ‘take the bone out of your nose’ to some contentious black caller I couldn’t understand”. He claims it happened in the early 70’s while he was a top-40 DJ. Thing is, nobody has ever confirmed it with audio, and Rush himself brought it up … as an apology.

BTW, you can check all that on Snopes.

And I love that liberal bleeding heart who comes here to use a mass shooting as fodder for Conservative-bashing. What makes you think the guy was a Conservative anyway, you lame?

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:43 pm 128. NMSC:

brilliant.

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:43 pm 129. Outsider:

Bashing Walmart
You bashers make no sense at all:
1. Almost every consumer appliance regardless who is the seller is manufactured in China. They include most high or low-tech items sold by upscale retailers like Sears or similar outlets; check your computer accessories too…
Singling out Walmart as a sole importer and distributor of made in China products is a disingenuous crap deserving no further comment.

2.Walmart sells first class, fresh all American made food products in their stores at a lower price than most supermarket. This side is intentionally never exposed by the radical leftists on this forum because these facts don’t support their clamoring for Chavez type socialism.
As a visitor to Walmart stores I confirm that all the people who buys stuff there are Racists, Nazis, Skinheads and KKK members and utterly uneducated.
Since Leftists amassed their discerning acumen from Ward Churchill and Chomsky’s universities they are representing a superior social class which was called by Lenin The New Socialist Man.

Apr 3, 2009 - 3:48 pm 130. Jeff Weimer:

26. Steve P.:

Want to know the main difference between left wing hate and right wing hate?

Here it is:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/03/binghamton.shooting/index.html
Apr 3, 2009 – 10:20 am

Did you even read the article you referenced? I see nothing in it that supports your argument. the only line in it that may have said anything towards motivation was that

“It is our understanding he had ties to the civic association,” Zikuski said.

How does that compute to your “difference” question? There is nothing there to support it either way. Of course, from you later posts, you expand and declare it “right wing hate”. What’s your proof? Are you merely taking the object of the attack (immigration center) and assuming the attack just had to have been by an anti-immigration wingnut? Of course, the statement of the police chief above would appear to undercut your hypothesis. But the quote is the only evidence, and it’s not enough to determine ANYTHING. If you’re going to try to support an argument, actually SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT.

Here’s a better update:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7249853&page=1

Oh yeah, the police don’t know the motive. He was taking language classes there. How does that fit into your fevered narrative?

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:04 pm 131. momof3:

“and then don’t pay them enough for the employees to buy their own private plan.”

Hmm, wonder how many walmart employees do without cell phones? Just sayin’.

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:05 pm 132. Still Bill:

I have to give liberals credit for one thing: they know how to invent fancy names for welfare payments: “Earned Income Tax Credit”. Let me translate: That’s giving welfare payments to Democrat freeloading bums who don’t pay Federal Income Taxes. In other words, the government takes money out of my pocket and gives it to some Democrat bum so he or she can buy beer and potato chips, and sit on his or her lazy worthless ass all day while I work for a living. That’s how Democrats get votes.

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:06 pm 133. Jeff Weimer:

Klavan can sure bring the troll-bait, can’t he?

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:12 pm 134. Class Clown:

The comments thread has forgotten what this article was about. I don’t watch Rush Limbaugh, or Jon Stewart, because I simply have no taste for mockery and sarcasm. I’ve never been a committed Democrat or Republican (although I have become a great deal more conservative recently). I have lived among both liberals and conservatives. I’ve heard hateful statements all around.

But I will tell you, as matter of observation, that there is nothing out there that can compare to the rage, venom, verbal abusiveness, and crowd intimidation tactics of liberals. For a simple primer on this, comb through the photos on http://www.zombietime.com.

I’m sorry, but there simply isn’t a conservative corollary to this kind of thing.

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:15 pm 135. Bilgeman:

#126 Chuck Pelto:
“Something like sticking his head up his fourth-point-of-contact in order to re-establish the proper dynamic equilibrium of brown and gray matter in both locations.”

Do you reckon that it would fit?

You were a cavalryman, I s’pose you’re familiar with the term “blivet”.

Let me get my video camera, and we’ll see if that chap’s supertanker can fit into a tugboat’s berth…make a good YouTube, at the least.

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:16 pm 136. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bilgeman
RE: Cavalry????!?!?! MOI?!??!?!!!!!!?

You were a cavalryman, I s’pose you’re familiar with the term “blivet”. — Bilgeman

Cavalry have their ‘place’ in the great scheme of things on the modern battlefield. But that place is not my own. I’m one of the idiots to are willing to….if necessary….stand and fight. Something we refer to as DIP, Die In Place.

RE: How Large IS It?

Do you reckon that it would fit? — Bilgeman

I reckon it would fit. It can’t be that ‘large’ in the first place….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Though the Life Force supplies us with its own purpose, it has no other brains to work with than those it has painfully and imperfectly evolved in our heads. -- George Bernard Shaw]

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:32 pm 137. Gordon Winslow:

OK, can someone, lefty or righty I don’t care, explain this “sex tourist” business? Because I read some liberal making it in every single comment thread about Limbaugh, but I’ve never seen an explanation. Is it the incident Mad Dog mentioned above, that Customs once found a Viagra pill in his luggage?

If that’s it, that’s the most pathetic charge I’ve ever heard. A very large percentage of males over fifty who cross the US border are “sex tourists” by that definition. That and every college guy who took condoms with him to Cancun on spring break.

Is there more to it? It’s a sincere question. I’ve always figured there had to be more to it, because it sounds so incredibly, incredibly, lame. But I have seen no other explanation.

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:38 pm 138. elvis:

No one has beat Erasmus up yet???
hahahaha.
Erasmus colleges and universities don’t pay health care to their adjunct faculty. Most managers at Walmart make more then adjunct profs. No matter what their degree.
Why don’t you guys, especially Erasmus, pick on the over priced corrupt… BIG EDUCATION. Now their is a problem. A real problem.
Most of what you do at Walmart is entry level.

And quite frankly why do you care what they make at Walmart? If someone doesn’t like their job… then do what you have to get another one. That’s what us people that seem to have to
pay for the slackers have always done.

Lastly HATE speech… get over it. Quit being a bunch of wusses!
That’s the whole point of this article…. Libs don’t get to define what hate speech is

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:43 pm 139. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Hey!!!!?!

Where is David S/DZunga? We need ‘fresh meat’ here….it’s pretty much ‘dead’ here and in some other Klavan thread.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
["Bother," said Pooh, as he slapped a fresh clip into the Uzi.]

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:50 pm 140. Randy:

Bill Clinton won his first term as President with 63% of the nation voting against him.

Target buys over 50% of it’s merchandise from out of the country.

Apr 3, 2009 - 4:57 pm 141. elvis:

Hi Chuck,
I’m on your side.
What’s up?

Apr 3, 2009 - 5:04 pm 142. Television Careers:

[...] Klavan On The Culture ? Honk! You?re Hateful By Andrew Klavan Yes I know that the majority of liberal media people can and often are more so, but I still don?t think that calling them ?lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward.? is not particularly conducive to getting them ….. And now it?s somehow sneaky of Rush to compensate successfully for career threatening deafness? To judge by his performance in recent years he delivered on those contracts, and his audience is strong and, thanks to the Dear Leader, growing. … Klavan On The Culture – http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/ [...]

Apr 3, 2009 - 5:31 pm 143. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

Holy cripes, if you guys don’t stop throwing rotten tomatoes at each other, Iowahawks’s going to spoof this thread. Then you’ll all feel like a bunch of dopes. Except for the liberals, who are too dumb to get humor, and will just call him a racist.

Apr 3, 2009 - 5:35 pm 144. Chuck Pelto:

TO: elvis
RE: Actually….

I’m on your side.
What’s up? — elvis

….I was wondering when David S-DZunga would raise his foolish head.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Tap....Slap...Schnick....Click.....]

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:09 pm 145. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Locked. Loaded…..

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:09 pm 146. joeblough:

It is way past time to stop giving the left any benefits of any doubts about their intentions or orientation.

It is literally impossible to be a half-way informed adult at this point in history, and not understand that the courses of action that the left proposes over and over again bring destruction, suffering and death.

The argument of well-intentioned ignorant fools just doesn’t cut it anymore.

Damn near nobody is that ignorant or that foolish. And most of those who are, are that way by choice. The jig is up.

We would do well to simply believe the evidence of our eyes.

Taking Mr. Kavan’s piece above as a case in point, and most particularly his opening paragraph, what do we see?

We see that the left are a bunch of malicious, sadistic, destructive SOB’s.

We see that their emotions are dark and nasty.

And we see that they would rather torment and attack than reason.

Believe it.

Your eyes aren’t lying.

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:10 pm 147. amrobinson:

Wow, Rush would have been, 17, in the last year of Robert Kennedy’s life? No wonder Robert demolished him.

Just another example of how the Left makes up its own facts.

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:20 pm 148. elvis:

Hi Chuck,
I read your time with DZunga on the earlier Klavin post.hahaha.
yep …. well doesn’t look like he’s joining some of the other misreable ones here.

and joe blough… I’m with you. they are not worthy of any benefit of the doubt. they are the enemy… period.
They can call Bush Hitler… but Klavin calls them cowards and their undies get so bunched up they can hardly talk through their lisp.

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:22 pm 149. Delia:

116. Rachel Peepers,

God bless you, sweetheart. You always know how to reach me too. I’m sorry you’ve become so disheartened. Please keep in touch with me?

142. Chuck Pelto:

“P.S. Locked. Loaded…..”

A man after my gun totin’ heart. Now…about those bullets… Gotta be careful when stockin’ up. People notice. Shh.
~
121. Bilgeman,

Bilge baby, don’t let the libtarded scoundrels sucker you in with their nincompoopery, they [libs] feed off trying to get us riled up because obviously their OWN libtard self-soothing, self-oozing, self-masturbatory rants are BORINGGGGGGGG. Kinda sad ain’t it?

Apr 3, 2009 - 6:27 pm 150. fireyourguns:

Liberals are just absolutely friggin’ hilarious when their knickers get knotted, aren’t they? Is it any wonder why the top “progressive” (whatever that is) talk radio host can’t muster more than a couple of million listeners (Rush averages what, twenty million or so?), or that Fox News consistently claims the top six spots in prime time ratings? That’s because the “paid” moonbats sound no different than the ones posting here! Sure is entertaining though, listening to them screech and squeal about the conservative bullies, just like women running from mice! Sackless sissies!!!

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:13 pm 151. Christopher Smith:

My dad and I listened to Rush once in the car when I was little. My dad got pissed at him for something and his voice annoyed me.

Never again.

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:24 pm 152. Donna V.:

To all: please bear in mind that Steven P. stated several months ago that no left-wing government ever persecuted Jews. Lil’ Stevie never learned about Stalin’s Doctor’s Trials from the left-wing profs he listened to so uncritically.

The man is ignorant. He’s an brainwashed dolt who laughably thinks he’s more intelligent and better informed than conservatives. Don’t take the troll’s moronic squawking seriously.

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:32 pm 153. Glenn Kenny:

To Andrew Klavan: Look upon your works, you nice, nice man. I hope you’re very proud.

Oh, and thanks to so many of the above, for debunking the “bone out of your nose” urban myth. Not too much progress on the other two citations, though, huh?

I’m gonna leave you all to choke on your own resentment. But do try to do me the courtesy of giving me a heads-up when you all buy guns and start shooting up urban areas, targeting whoever you deem leftists and hipsters and whatnot, you sick, twisted fruits. I’m sure the nice Mr. Klavan will feign disapproval, but that won’t help out the victims.

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:45 pm 154. Nancy:

I agree Andrew, and by the way..you are GORGEOUS

Apr 3, 2009 - 7:49 pm 155. Delia:

153. Glenn Kenny,

Wow. Who peed in your cup of tea? I’d never shoot anyone for being anything other than trying to rob/rape/steal or hurt one of my family members. Hello? What world do you live in? I live in a world where luckily we have enough law that I don’t have to do much shootin’ to protect myself or use my black-belt karate moves either for that matter but hey, they’re nice to have and know just the same.

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:17 pm 156. joeblough:

152. Donna V.:

I’ve known a number of Jews from the Soviet Union. ALL of them had stories of being on the receiving end of fairly obvious, crude and brutal anti-semitism in their scholastic, personal and professional lives — some of it quite institutionalized.

So far as the left-wing/right-wing canard is concerned the nazis were considered right-wing within the incestuous myopic world of socialism. That is to say that they were considered to be to the “right” of their bolshevist cousins.

One does well to remember that nazi was an abreviation of Nationalsozialismus which meant national socialist.

The left which includes the nazis, has plenty of death and destruction to answer for. At my last count, including Hitler, Stalin and Mao we’re looking at about 100 million innocent arbitrary deaths.

And that’s leaving out North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba and a few African countries.

The left has plenty to answer for.

And I’ll note that I’ve never met a lefty, no matter what their self description was (liberal, progressive, communist, whatever) that said that any of that slaughter and destruction gave them the slightest doubts about the value and meaning of their ideas.

Social graces are no substitute for soul.

These people are, for the most part, plain damn rotten.

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:23 pm 157. Weekend: Honk! You’re Hateful « Jim Blazsik:

[...] media, I mean—the standard for what is hateful is completely different for the right and left. Read more Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Will You Take the Limbaugh Challenge – or are you [...]

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:26 pm 158. Donna V.:

But do try to do me the courtesy of giving me a heads-up when you all buy guns and start shooting up urban areas, targeting whoever you deem leftists and hipsters and whatnot, you sick, twisted fruits.

You’re a fool. I own a handgun and have no intention of using it to shoot unless they invade my home and mean to do me bodily harm.

Deliam methinks the left projects their own violent fantasies onto the right, just as they do their hatefulness. Kenny can’t imagine owning a gun and not wanting to use it, so he assumes all conservatives feel the same way.

Apr 3, 2009 - 8:52 pm 159. Moogie:

liberal – (n.): lib-uhhhh-role: 1. one who is wrong, always, about everything; 2. one who is incapable of discerning truth, and is incapable of uttering truth; 3. one who believes their own feelings and good intentions trump reason and logic, no matter the cost to others; 4. one who calls the kettle black; 5. one with a plank firmly imbedded in eye.

Apr 3, 2009 - 9:00 pm 160. Donna V.:

joeblough: Yes, Steve P.’s comment was one of the stupidest assertions I’ve ever seen online (which is saying something), and I’m not going to let it go.

And I’ll note that I’ve never met a lefty, no matter what their self description was (liberal, progressive, communist, whatever) that said that any of that slaughter and destruction gave them the slightest doubts about the value and meaning of their ideas.

Well, if they started entertaining doubts, they might end up *gasp* leaving their cozy little groupthink. That thought is absolutely terrifying for most leftists – so they would prefer to simply label all opposing ideas “hateful.” I was once a liberal. Once I realized how much the left has to answer for, I could not in good conscience remain one.

Apr 3, 2009 - 9:05 pm 161. joeblough:

159. Donna V.:

“… I could not in good conscience remain one”

Please excuse my presumption in offering you my compliments on your moral and intellectual integrity.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:06 pm 162. WJA:

Just remember that liberals are taught what to think, not how to think.

Apr 3, 2009 - 10:44 pm 163. view from afar:

I am wondering, as it unfolds about this shooting that blew this out of the water if steve p is even capable of realizing the horror of his ignorant accusations on the right and the total irony…as we wake to see, Al Quaida behind the massacre…stop and think about everything lefties oh and thank you joeblough for pointing out the truth about the nazi’s: socialists, it’s an intellectual elitist conclusion that anyone who has been educated HAs to be a socialist here in Europe…

Apr 4, 2009 - 12:02 am 164. chris in Toronto:

To Rachel Peepers #116:
Please don’t give up. Demoralization is their goal, do not give them this win!

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men [and women] do nothing.”
Edmund Burke

And, for what it’s worth, I always enjoy reading your feisty comments!

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:50 am 165. Righteous Bubba:

…as we wake to see, Al Quaida behind the massacre…

Proof you’re a sucker. Thank you.

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:55 am 166. David S:

@139. Chuck Pelto:

Where is David S/DZunga? We need ‘fresh meat’ here….it’s pretty much ‘dead’ here and in some other Klavan thread.

Pay attention Chuck.

Klavan’s challenge was offered with insults and disrespect, proving his argument on the tone of discourse hollow.

I’ve listened to Rush with an open mind plenty of times, and the results are predictable. Limbaugh inevitably provides poorly reasoned arguments that are suitable as comedy, while offending the intelligence of anyone who would attempt to take him seriously.

Rush is no more than a popular entertainer. That he happens to promote hateful ideas is unfortunate – that he has an audience of millions that take his word as gospel is tragic. That Klavan considers him a good representative of Conservatism is just sad.

Peace.

DS

PS – Here are some examples of Rush at work:

“I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”

“You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.”

“Why should Blacks be heard? They’re 12% of the population. Who the hell cares.”

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:00 am 167. johnt:

It would follow that if you constantly advocate and advance force, the power of the State, to achieve your aims, that somewhere lurking in your psyche is the germ of hate.
In addition many liberals have followed the media line, unfortunate as some of the dumbest, narrowest humans in the USA dominate that dying industry.

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:27 am 168. Mark:

David, David, David. Only someone completely credulous would take these claims of Rush’s racist statements at face value. You might have taken warning when the author of the piece, Mr. Gane-McCalla, repeats the claims that people at McCain/Palin events were calling for Obama to be killed, calling him a terrorist, etc., etc. Those claims were false propaganda, as video from the events proved.

If Rush had made the statements attributed to him by Mr. Gane-McCalla, the press reaction would have been unbelievable, as the reaction to the one he made as an ESPN commentator shows; we know how that played out. If he was anywhere close to the ones you highlight, not even Rush’s popularity would protect him from popular outrage.

I’m not sure if you took the time to listen to the audio out-takes at the bottom. I only listened to a couple, but they’re the classic case of Rush critics attributing the worst possible interpretation of his comments and on the basis of their interpretation of him attributing the worst possible motives. That’s the rhetorical strategy of radical activism that has been so much in the discussion these days, e.g., Alinsky’s _Rules for Radicals_. Take that approach if you want, or repeat the claims of those who do, but realize that when people discount your claims they’re discounting you because they’re aware of the gap between the rhetoric of the critics and Rush’s intended meaning.

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:49 am 169. Delia:

166. David S,

Mr. Klavan was voicing the frustration of a LOT of people who have to deal with people like YOU.

If blacks are 12% of the population or 20% even, our country sure does cow tow and bow and scrape to them and bend over backwards to help the lowwwwwly black people. It’s pathetic that people who only make up a small percentage of our country need so much ATTENTION. White guilt is the race card de jour.

Don’t worry, I’ve been called a ‘racist’ already so save that ‘un for someone new here.

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:55 am 170. Delia:

Self correction:

Not cow tow but kowtow.

Delia needs more coffeeeeeeeeeeee.

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:57 am 171. Francis W. Porretto:

I am reminded of an old tale about a medical researcher who devotes himself completely to finding the cure for a horribly disfiguring Third World disease. He plunges himself into the jungles of Africa, endlessly studying the disease’s etiology, its vectors, its progression, and the commonalities among its victims. seldom turning away from his work even for meals or sleep. Years pass; his devotion is unrelenting, and his efforts never flag. But a cure eludes him nevertheless.

Then one day, a patient walks into his clinic, looks at him queerly, and says, “Doctor, the worst has happened: You have contracted the disease yourself!”

Stunned, the doctor rushes to find a mirror. It’s beyond dispute: the dreaded disease has carved deeply into his face. Where once there was smooth skin over sculptured planes, there are grooves, chancres, and swollen boils. Not a square inch of his visage has gone untouched — and there’s still no cure.

The doctor returns to his patient and sets back to work without a word. The patient, a man of courtesy and empathy, cannot help but express his sorrow that the doctor’s generosity has caused him to contract the very scourge he came to cure.

“Oh, don’t trouble yourself about it,” the doctor replies. “On me, it looks good!”

Sound like any liberals you know?

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:01 am 172. Delia:

David S. also [conveniently] ‘forgets’ that the 0bama’s reverend Jeremiah Wright was a racist pig.

What have you got to say about that DS? Seriously, what’s your excuse for a man who was in that racist ‘whitey hatin’ church for 20 years? Hmm?

Please enlighten us all as to how your precious zero managed to be in a hateful church for that long and didn’t ‘notice’ the racial hatred.

I’m waiting…

IDIOT

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:01 am 173. Mark:

Mr. Klavan’s original op-ed was in the LA Times. In it he called readers of the LA Times “lily livered cowards,” among other things, and said one thing he knows is that they never listen to Rush Limbaugh. Now I’m not someone his op-ed was directed at, so when he claims here that he was teasing, it’s easy for me to accept that. Calling someone “lily livered” in 2009 is a signal that you’re not serious, and calling someone out in their own paper is another good sign. If he had called them that here, that’s a different question.

Anyway, maybe he laid it on a bit too thick. If he wanted to provoke LA Times readers to listen to Rush, though, perhaps he did need to lay it on. So it’s not entirely persuasive, David, to say the tone of his op-ed piece renders his point here hollow.

After all, his point here is built on some rather pointed contrasts. And only one involves Rush, interestingly enough. And Delia draws attention to a huge example of someone getting a pass from the pundit class when their remarks would have been 24/7 fodder against the Right if they had come from someone on the Right.

Anyway, sorry if your feelings were hurt by the op-ed, David. I don’t know if you spend much time at Kos or HuffPo, but you might ponder the tone there if you want to consider Mr. Klavan’s point any further.

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:21 am 174. Righteous Bubba:

It would follow that if you constantly advocate and advance force, the power of the State, to achieve your aims, that somewhere lurking in your psyche is the germ of hate.

Without getting into how stupidly this sentence is constructed, congratulations on indicting approximately 100% of your fellow human beings.

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:38 am 175. Bilgeman:

David S:

(Fools rush in where angels fear to tread, much?)

“I’ve listened to Rush with an open mind plenty of times, and the results are predictable. Limbaugh inevitably provides poorly reasoned arguments that are suitable as comedy, while offending the intelligence of anyone who would attempt to take him seriously.”

Sounds like a certain commenter here that I know…says “Peace” a lot.

“That he happens to promote hateful ideas is unfortunate – that he has an audience of millions that take his word as gospel is tragic.”

You wanna talk hateful, Dave old boy? Did you happen to catch two of the Left’s finest humanoid b+tt-pl+gs pop in on this thread, and Erasemus on another, and with no basis whatsoever, try to lay a pile of bodies in Bighamton at the feet of their political enemies here?

The Right has it’s share of whack-a-loons, but the difference is that the Right shuns and ostracizes their dirt-merchants.
The Left “secularly canonizes” their slack-jawed booger-eaters.

Rosie O’Donnell…Sean Penn…need I go on?

“Rush is no more than a popular entertainer.”

Ahhh, that ’splains it all.

It’s just jealousy because Rush is popular, while those who squeak and grunt the loudest about him are NOT popular.

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:49 am 176. Bilgeman:

#173 Mark:
“Mr. Klavan’s original op-ed was in the LA Times. In it he called readers of the LA Times “lily livered cowards,” among other things, and said one thing he knows is that they never listen to Rush Limbaugh.”

Klavan better watch himself. He keeps talking like that and he could end up in Congress.

Worked for Murtha, right?

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:51 am 177. Righteous Bubba:

The Right has it’s share of whack-a-loons, but the difference is that the Right shuns and ostracizes their dirt-merchants.

That’d be Rush, thus disproving your point.

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:53 am 178. imyou:

We got the president we deserve. The Obama administration is a reflection of everything degenerative in our culture of blame, hate and recklessness. I thought the hate America members of the political elite and their activist drones were getting out of control. This administration is shaping up to be the manifestation of the dreams of the most irresponsible in our society. Frighteningly apparent is the fast tracking of Mr. Obama’s abuse of power. Slinging mud at each other about Walmart, Lefty, Righty, Rush Limbaugh, John Stewart, ABC, NBC, CNBC, yadayadayada, keeps us preoccupied while the Constitution is burning.

Apr 4, 2009 - 9:18 am 179. Mark E:

Andrew,
Someone like you should be on EVERY nightly news channel providing an opposing voice to the pc, big government, pro Obama hacks that dominate the networks and cable shows, sans Fox. The country would be much better informed and the networks would probably have a bigger and more robust audience.

It’s really a shame they prefer to remain comfortably in their bubble with a dwindling audience.

Apr 4, 2009 - 9:42 am 180. Bilgeman:

#177 RightBubba:
“That’d be Rush, thus disproving your point.”

Way to grind that axe, man!
Keep the blinkers on and your eyes on the prize, homes!

To a Leftist, pig-headed tunnel vision is a cardinal virtue.

If you think Rush is a whack-a-loon, you’d better hope you never meet some of the folks on the Right that I’ve rubbed elbows with, ace.

You would, in all likelihood, sh+t twice and drop dead just by sharing the same area code with some of these critters.

It would behoove us all to stop broadening the definition of “hate” to score political points and then internalizing that new false threshold.

Doing so stunts your ability to recognize the genuine article when you run up against it.

Apr 4, 2009 - 9:46 am 181. Delia:

Sic ‘em, Bilge!

What lefties fail to realize is that many of us ‘wingers’ on the right don’t invest our collective energy in ‘hate’ like you libtards do. HATING someone just because someone believes differently than you is way too much wasted energy. I smile at every stranger and I’m more oft than not reciprocated in kind.

What do I hate? Evil, tyranny and totalitarians.

It is so easy to hate [too easy really] and so hard to accept or hear [truly hear] someone else’s valid opinion. Shouting matches don’t build people up…they tear people down.

I promised GOD today that I’m going to try and listen a little more to everyone in my life and even to strangers.

Do you know what is far more powerful than hate?

LOVE.

Apr 4, 2009 - 10:57 am 182. Flyingright:

I’m a conservative/libertarian. I believe in limited government, individual liberty and adherence to the US Constitution. I have no plans to join a militia and shoot a bunch of immigrants. I am an avid listener of talk radio, which includes Rush, Beck and Hannity. Do I agree in lockstep with everything they say- no, but I think they make strong, reasoned arguments for conservatism. The left has been trying to paint the right as bigoted, racist homophobes for decades. This brings to mind a quote from Whitaker Chambers- “Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.”

Where’s all the outrage on the left when posters on The Daily Kos wish conservatives would die? When Laura Ingraham was battling breast cancer the comments coming from sites like The Daily Kos or Huffpo were appalling. When Tony Snow died of cancer they said he deserved it. Huffpo has even had to shut the comments section down when conservatives become ill or die for obvious reasons. Michelle Malkin has been called some of the most vile names from the left. One of their favorites- “gook”.

I also find it amusing that the left ALWAYS brings up Rush’s drug addiction to diminish his message. It’s an old tactic- when you can’t attack the message, attack the messenger. Continue to bring up the pills and his weight because it just shows you have no ammunition to fire back against Rush’s arguments.

Apr 4, 2009 - 11:21 am 183. Larsen E Whipsnade:

99. Erasmus said,”It is interesting to see all you ’small business’ conservatives completly ignoring the demonstrated negative affect that Wal-Mart had on small businesses in Main Street America.”

Walmart doesn’t have that effect. One study after another demonstrates the opposite: that Walmart incubates tons of small businesses everywhere it sets up shop. Walmart can single-handedly restore a run-down shopping area – just by being there. In addition, there’s tons of spin-off employment created around every Walmart. Erasmus, you’re talking nonsense.

Apr 4, 2009 - 12:47 pm 184. Righteous Bubba:

If you think Rush is a whack-a-loon, you’d better hope you never meet some of the folks on the Right that I’ve rubbed elbows with, ace.

So your standards are lower than mine for insanity. That’s not something to be proud of.

I also find it amusing that the left ALWAYS brings up Rush’s drug addiction to diminish his message.

That’s because it’s HILARIOUS that the guy who carries water for the family-values party – and then promises not to carry water for them and then does it again – is a hypocritical dick.

I’m all for Rush gobbling all the oxycontin he can handle and having the ACLU help him out in a jam. He and his enablers could be a little more realistic about drugs and the law.

Apr 4, 2009 - 12:47 pm 185. Righteous Bubba:

Continue to bring up the pills and his weight because it just shows you have no ammunition to fire back against Rush’s arguments.

The pills are part of the argument against Rush’s statements on drug addicts prior to his arrest, which are also wonderfully funny in retrospect.

Look!

There’s nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods, which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we’re not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too.

…We are becoming too tolerant as a society, folks, especially of crime, in too many parts of the country…. This country certainly appears to be tolerant, forgive and forget. I mean, you know as well as I do, you go out and commit the worst murder in the world and you just say you’re sorry, people go, “Oh, OK. A little contrition.”… People say, “I feel better. He said he’s sorry for it.” We’re becoming too tolerant, folks.

–Rush Limbaugh TV show (10/5/95)

Apr 4, 2009 - 12:57 pm 186. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

Ok. I get it. Pigs. Mud puddles. Enjoy.

Apr 4, 2009 - 12:58 pm 187. Righteous Bubba:

Ok. I get it. Pigs. Mud puddles. Enjoy.

This non-response insult is especially funny when the argument I was responding to was this:

Continue to bring up the pills and his weight because it just shows you have no ammunition to fire back against Rush’s arguments.

You guys are easy.

Apr 4, 2009 - 1:07 pm 188. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

Somebody doesn’t know how to read for context, does he?

Apr 4, 2009 - 1:39 pm 189. Righteous Bubba:

Somebody doesn’t know how to read for context, does he?

Indeed. That person posted this winner:

I thought this thread was about the liberal propensity to call names.

Apr 4, 2009 - 1:45 pm 190. Delia:

185. Righteous Bubba,

Pills for PAIN are hardly a huge ‘deal’.

Smokin’ pot and snortin’ coke and smokin’ cigs though… Hmmmmm. Sound like someone in charge of the country?

Apr 4, 2009 - 2:05 pm 191. AThinkingPerson:

#190 Delia… Perfect point and one I hadn’t thought of myself!

Apr 4, 2009 - 2:13 pm 192. Jim Treacher:

“I’m gonna leave you all to choke on your own resentment. But do try to do me the courtesy of giving me a heads-up when you all buy guns and start shooting up urban areas, targeting whoever you deem leftists and hipsters and whatnot, you sick, twisted fruits. I’m sure the nice Mr. Klavan will feign disapproval, but that won’t help out the victims.”

Now that’s what I call an appeal to calm and reason.

Apr 4, 2009 - 2:32 pm 193. Bilgeman:

#184 Right Bubba:
“So your standards are lower than mine for insanity. That’s not something to be proud of.”

Thank you for the unparalleled example of how a Leftist turns a case of his own simple ignorance into a proof demonstrating his superiority,(of some sort).

Here ya go, Bubba:

Your standards are just so much more LONGER than my own.

…does that help to affirm your self-esteem?

I fully understand that you need to compensate for shortcomings in other areas.
Sometimes you sneer, and sometimes you cry.

And that’s okay.

I’m here for you, man.

Apr 4, 2009 - 2:43 pm 194. prospero:

A simple way of getting through (and out of) discussions with the left (which must descend into their name-calling) is simply to ask them for their founding principles–what is community for, why do we have government, according to what principles do we judge government, etc. Just about any conservative could supply a batch off-hand–government is legitimate when based upon the protection of God-given individual rights, economic, political and religious freedom are all mutually supportive, associations at the local level are to be favored over state-organized activity because people closest to the situation know best how to deal with it, etc. If the Leftist is honest, he or she will tell you that individual freedom and the common sense and traditional commitments it depends on interfere with Historical Progress, which historical “science” has proven requires greater centralization of power and the suppression of distracting individual and group differences. That’s if they are being honest and know their history–otherwise, they will just let fly a list of things they hate about conservatives, traditional culture and freedom. The truth is, the Progessivist theories (whether those of John Dewey, Woodrow Wilson or Karl Marx) aren’t that much more than a compilation of things they hate about freedom and tradition either. Anyway, I encourage you to try it out, and see what kinds of answers you get.

Apr 4, 2009 - 2:43 pm 195. Bilgeman:

#190 Delia:
“Smokin’ pot and snortin’ coke and smokin’ cigs though… Hmmmmm. Sound like someone in charge of the country?”

Awwwww, duuuuuude(ette)! I only do this on weekends.

Run the country, that is.

Coming up with policies n’ sh+t harshes my high. I have people for that…

Now, if you’ll ’scuse me, I think I see Rahm coming down the hall under Marine escort with a fully-loaded double-chambered Tokemaster.

Time for some “Executive Privilege”!

(The only reason I hired his old lady is that Bill gave me the phone number to his source at the DEA, and believe me it was worth it…that sh+t be BANGIN’!).

Apr 4, 2009 - 2:51 pm 196. elvis:

ALL i can say is that Bubba (is that after Billy Clinton?) guy is funnier than that Erasmus guy. They both remind me of the bully you met in the junior high play ground. The one that always thought he was the tough guy and pushed everyone around.
But as soon as someone smacked them,they’d run home to mommy.

Apr 4, 2009 - 2:52 pm 197. Hawk:

“Leftists have always confused their good intentions with actual virtue. The tyranny allowed to spread by left wing appeasement, the neighborhoods and families destroyed by their corrupt welfare programs, the millions of lives snuffed out by environmentalist hysteria—these don’t show up on their moral scorecards because they meant so very well.”

I’ve got to disagree with you somewhat on this point. They know what they’re doing is detrimental but do it anyway as a way to grab power and impose what they believe is their moral viewpoints. The attitude is “means to an end”.

Apr 4, 2009 - 3:23 pm 198. Mike:

It is called Religion. Imagine talking to a group of Christians and telling them that they should at least give the devil a chance. How well would that go over?

That is how Liberals are. They are serious about their religion. It is a religion full of zealots and blind faith.

No one should be surprised at their reaction to Kalvan’s challenge.

Apr 4, 2009 - 3:33 pm 199. Righteous Bubba:

Pills for PAIN are hardly a huge ‘deal’.

Yeah, that’s why he had someone procure them for him instead of having them prescribed. Hooray for the ACLU!

Apr 4, 2009 - 3:43 pm 200. Righteous Bubba:

Thank you for the unparalleled example of how a Leftist turns a case of his own simple ignorance into a proof demonstrating his superiority,(of some sort).

You need to learn to write.

If the Leftist is honest, he or she will tell you

…stuff I imagine he should say and if he doesn’t he’s a dirty liar! Good strategy.

ALL i can say is that Bubba (is that after Billy Clinton?) guy is funnier than that Erasmus guy.

On this we agree.

That is how Liberals are. They are serious about their religion. It is a religion full of zealots and blind faith.

Oh totally. That’s why we blindly stuck with W. after it was clear that nearly everything he did besides choke on a chip was a disaster.

Apr 4, 2009 - 3:52 pm 201. Jaynie59:

Every single word of this article is true. It’s nice to see it expressed. Conservatives spend waaay too much time trying to criticize themselves and other conservatives so they won’t be on the receiving end of such hate.

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:01 pm 202. Sue:

I feel like I’m coming here for therapy. I have a low-profile blog and dared to post a few VERY respectful thoughts about the direction I feel our country is headed. I got attacked by an anonymous poster who called me racist, told me I hate poor people, called my faith into question and told me I need psychological help. He attacked little personal details about me he gleaned from my posting.

I suspect this person knew just how far to go. He attacked everything but my family and my physical well-being. It spooked me for a few days, but then I decided that’s exactly what the trolls want. So I’m not going to stop respectfully stating my case.

And I can’t begin to imagine the hateful rants that high-profile conservatives face. **shudder**

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:09 pm 203. Jim:

Kenny – Robert Kennedy 1925 – 1968

Rush Limbaugh show 1988 -

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:10 pm 204. JIMV:

The left does not take criticism well. They really believed that when their guy won all would be sweetness and light and the 8 years of their 24/7 lying, vitriol, and sedition would be forgotten while their opponents, folk like me, would quietly and politely remain silent so the new la-la land of liberal nirvana can proceed without comment…

Idiots.

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:18 pm 205. Sunday morning links (posted early) - Maggie's Farm:

[...] takes on hate. We must always remember that "hate" doesn’t mean what it used to. It’s been [...]

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:28 pm 206. billy:

Erasmus, I’m not sure what you think that moniker means, but if you look at what you are saying; you are completely against his beliefs. Read up, Desiderius. Idiot.

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:37 pm 207. Will:

As conservatives we should tell the truth as facts provide. Ranting and name calling solves nothing.Liberals can’t carry on an intelligent conversation without distorting the facts.

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:39 pm 208. whatfur:

Mr. Klaven,

Great couple of reads.

The comment thread was also enjoyable…for most.

Apr 4, 2009 - 4:48 pm 209. Gipper:

It seems prudent to remember to stay on point with the issues that face America, and its’ imminent destruction at the hands of the Usurper in Chief, his disillusioned colleagues in Congress, and his goon squad Acorn menions. Any logical person does see the difference in the way Liberals and Conservatives are treated in the media. The question isn’t is this happening, but rather what are we going to do about it? In a perfect world, both liberals and conservatives would actively listen to each other and work together. However, the liberals have made it obvious that they are going to take the European approach, which is simply to get their way or whine and complain that the mean conservatives are tyrants. If liberalism ever worked, then the USSR, Cuba, Venezuala, Nazi Germany, et al would be the world powers. Now is the time for conservatives to get busy defeating ignorant liberal politics!

Apr 4, 2009 - 5:06 pm 210. Bilgeman:

#200 Right Bubba:
“You need to learn to write.”

Wons agin, yoo hav poot yur fingur rite in the as of the ishoo, (and wigled it arownd sum).

I yam a parshull product of the publik edumakayshun sistim.

If ever you feel the urge to commit suicide, might I be so helpful as to suggest that you clamber atop your own ego and throw yourself off?

I know it’s quite the trek, but I bet that the view from the top is breathtaking.

Apr 4, 2009 - 5:13 pm 211. Delia:

201. Jaynie59 & 202. Sue,

Girls, hang in there! Bless your hearts for standing up for your opinions no matter how much you get opposed and bashed by the lefty loonies.
~
208. Bilgeman,

Bilge, are you sure you ain’t my kizzin’ kuzzin’? I sho-nuff luvvin’ ya just the same. My po-white-trash trailer could use a new wheel. Game?

P.S. I love you, you love me…we’re a happy familyyyyyy with a great bit ((HUG)) and a kiss from me to youuuuuuuu, won’t you say you love me too.

Apr 4, 2009 - 5:45 pm 212. Righteous Bubba:

If ever you feel the urge to commit suicide

More proof that liberals are so dreadfully hateful.

Apr 4, 2009 - 5:49 pm 213. Smoking Frog:

Phil the Thrill #91 et al.: Re arguing with morons, someone once advised me against it with these words, “You can’t back out of it later on by saying, ‘Oh, sorry, never mind, I didn’t realize you were an idiot.’”

I tend to think of them more as liars than idiots or morons. For example, citing a CNN article about the Binghamton shooting which does not in any way even faintly support what the poster claims for it. I pretty much expected this, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt; maybe he accidentally linked to the wrong article. So I looked around in news sources, only to learn that the shooter was an Asian immigrant who felt bad about his broken English!

Bill

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:14 pm 214. AThinkingPerson:

Mr. Klaven et al… Conservatives as a whole should take a page out of the liberal playbook and throw facts to the wind and just erupt like a volcano at every minor liberal infraction. We (conservatives) have spent too much time trying to be gentlemen/women and take the high road. It’s not working for us. It’s time to get in the gutter with the liberals. We could certainly win any argument on face value. It’s the presentation and delivery of the message that always trips us up. Witness McCain vs. Obama. Obama certainly had NO message. He won on delivery. Period. I’m guessing that’s why Rush and Beck and Hannity are so popular. They are the conservative’s heavyweight contenders (probably explains why the left are so frightened by them).

Lastly…Conservatives have given way too much weight to the MSM. Newspapers are failing. Liberal news programs are failing. We’ve got more power than we’re giving ourselves credit for.

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:18 pm 215. Delia:

213. AThinkingPerson,

THANK YOU! I wholeheartedly AGREE. Playing a gentlemans’ game means you’re opponent is a ‘gentelman’ which is CLEARLY not what we are dealing with here. Sometimes you have to get down and dirty in the muck and mire and be just as savage as the douchebag serving up their own brand of bullshit soup.

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:21 pm 216. Delia:

‘your’ not you’re. *smacks self* Why do my typos glare at me AFTER I hit submit? LOL!

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:23 pm 217. Ghills:

if you truly feel unions shouldn’t exist, then make them illegal.

And that, right there, is what is wrong with liberalism. Liberals think that if someone does something they disagree with, it should be stopped by force! Conservatives think that is someone does something they disagree with, that’s ok. There are soem limits – laws, for one – but that’s the basic position of both sides.

Liberalism is destroying the US, which was founded to fight against the tyranny of the majority. Liberals support it.

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:27 pm 218. Ghills:

*some* limits. Sorry, typo ahoy.

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:32 pm 219. Smoking Frog:

I largely agree with Mr. Klavan, but I have one problem with something he wrote in his LAT op-ed: “I listen to Limbaugh every chance I get, and I have never heard the man utter a single racist, hateful or stupid word.” I’ve never heard him say anything racist or hateful, either, but I hear him say stupid things fairly frequently, although no moreso than other commentators, and less so than the mainstream media. I listen to Limbaugh about 30 minutes on most mornings. I’d guess I hear two stupid remarks a week, on average. He has said: stupid things about global warming, i.e., more skeptical than the informed skeptics, and wrongly so; stupid things about economics, e.g., that the economy cannot go into recession if the government does not intervene; that any company that has to borrow to make payroll is in deep doo-doo (*possibly* true if he really meant to convey something with “has to,” but this would be at odds with what his caller and the audience would understand by the remark).

Bill

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:32 pm 220. Franny:

Susan,
Something very similar to that happenend to me in a small town in Massachusetts. I found that liberals are the most intolerant and judgemental people around. The Palin comments were just disgusting. I always knew they were the biggest phonies around. So now I just have such a good time pissing them off every chance I get. With bumper stickers, opinion pieces in my local paper and making sure I am at the park interupting their “I hate Palin” parties. I get such joy watching them turn red, storm off cursing like sailors while dragging their children off the swing. What’s even better is finding so many other people in my town that feel the same way, yes even in MA!

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:48 pm 221. Delia:

217. Smoking Frog,

-Some good points [you made] and I’m no ‘ditto head’ nor will I ever be ‘one’ for that matter.

-BUT, speaking of deep ‘doo-doo’…that’s what Barack H. Obama is planning on sinking our country in with a smile on his face no less whilst he dines on the finest meals and drinks the ‘pinky lifting’ drinks and sends our economy into a veritable nose dive.

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:54 pm 222. Franny:

I never could understand why the left has such intolerant for Rush’s drug issue? It’s the first thing they SCREAM when his name is mentioned. Instead of giving him a pat on the back for overcoming a horrific addiction, but let some leftist recover and they are giving him awards. I wonder what Sean Penn thinks of Chavez arresting and imprisoning his political opponents?

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:57 pm 223. Delia:

Franny,

Libtards are the most violent, virulent ‘activists’ ever…! They will fight for a woman’s right to kill her own offspring, fight for two men to legally engage in butt sex marriage or two women having fuzz bumper marriage, fight for blacks to be kept down by the welfare check and they truly have no argument that can deny the real, hard facts.

Libtards will become violent at the drop of a hat! How many conservatives pull that sh*t? Libs are spazzoids…they LIVE for DRAMA.

I’m finding the libtards name-calling a badge of honor at this point…they crack me up and motivate me more than ever to opine. Ha!

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:29 pm 224. VibrioCocci:

199. Righteous Bubba:
“Pills for PAIN are hardly a huge ‘deal’.

Yeah, that’s why he had someone procure them for him instead of having them prescribed. Hooray for the ACLU!”

Now go back a little further, Bubba, to the REST of what Delia said here:

190. Delia: “Smokin’ pot and snortin’ coke and smokin’ cigs though… Hmmmmm. Sound like someone in charge of the country?”

You NEVER addressed Obama’s admitted drug usage.

Please explain.

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:32 pm 225. prospero:

To go back to #214–conservatives certainly have to realize that whatever rules governed political discourse in the US before 2000 have been thrown out completely. Maybe new rules, a new equilibrium will emerge, but for now we have to play the leftist game of making the most extreme accusations we can make of the cherished figures on the left and keep repeating them incessantly. We shouldn’t, and don’t have to, lie, but we should simplify and reduce things to catchphrases and slogans and epithets. Anyway who is really interested in the arguments knows how to find them on their own–in political campaigns, therefore, while we are sending all kinds of messages (to potential backers and donors, etc.), for the “undecided” (i.e., uninformed and uninterested in being informed) we need to break things down to something like: “this guy wants to steal your lunch.” Over an over again. This will be a long road back, because conservatives are a small minority in the media, so there will be no amplification of such claims (to the contrary, they will be ridiculed); also, perhaps the biggest advantage that the left has is that since their goal is to gain and use more governmental power, they can use that to acquire support–from those whom they can promise all kinds of goodies as well as from those they can demand what is in essence protection money (the “rich”). We are dealing with what has metastasized into a criminal cult. I have my doubts whether we will be able to save the country, freedom and civilization, with such determined enemies, and conservatives are divided–some very prominent conservatives are urging us to treat Obama and today’s Democrats as normal politicians, part of the historical swing from left to right. By the time they realize they are wrong it will be too late–in the meantime they participate in the demonization of those who see what is going on. If conservatives don’t find a way to obstruct and make a lot of noise, present a lot of victims of their own (i.e., victims of the Left), while at the same time forming an independent movement with lots of intellectual firepower aimed at restoring the Constitution, and soon, we will face the deluge.

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:49 pm 226. Delia:

224. VibrioCocci:

“You NEVER addressed Obama’s admitted drug usage.”
~

“ADMITTED” being the key word? You do realize you just erm…gave it up?

I can supply you with many, MANY links [with much candor] regarding Zero’s drug admissions. Do you need them? I’ll supply them as needed. The big ‘0′ mad many admissions in his own books [ghost written of course]. So, if you want me to blast your pathetic, pansy-assed tardation with TRUTH, be prepared. You might want to put a Hazmat suit on when I circle your idiocy and spew at you without rancor but with TRUTH.

Apr 4, 2009 - 7:56 pm 227. Delia:

225. prospero,

Excellent points. Might I suggest chopping up your verbiage into a few more paragraphs for easy consumption? You definitely hit it on the head though. Thank you!

Apr 4, 2009 - 8:00 pm 228. Delia:

OMG. Breaking news: Five children killed in Tacoma, WA. MY home state. WHY? WHY?

My heart is so heavy with sadness.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

WTF is WRONG with people? Kill YOURSELF, ya fuckin’ pussy. Why take innocent lives with you? If life sucks so bad then put the barrel in your mouth and off YOURSELF rather than bring innocent victims along with your sick, twisted path. Pathetic!

Apr 4, 2009 - 9:04 pm 229. tea bagger:

Great piece klaven it seems like you have really hit the nail on the head. Every insensitive lefty who has trolled here has just proven your point. (they miss take their good intentions with actual virtue)I wish that there was some way for them to open their eyes but I guess it is pretty hard to step down from their moral superority soap box.

Apr 4, 2009 - 10:24 pm 230. Sue Collins:

Ah well, Andrew we know it is like that. Most of my, well all my liberal friends, sound like that…. my boys at age 10 and 12 were more logical. Emotions, man, that’s where they are at; and dealing with them is more difficult than any teenager. Only worse….they are just friends or pastors or wives of pastors.
Painful, as you know.
Lovely meeting you last nite.
Sue

Apr 4, 2009 - 10:53 pm 231. James:

Entertainers: Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Hollywood fictional movies.
Politicians/Pundits: Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Geert Wilder

mmm….

Apr 5, 2009 - 12:48 am 232. Joe C.:

Leftists have a genetic disability that prevents recognizing hypocrisy and irony in themselves while being able to find it everywhere it does not exist.

Apr 5, 2009 - 4:17 am 233. Ryan2PartyMyth:

Why would so many people allow themselves to be bogged down in a this/that political ideology? The author of the article, Rush himself, the first 75 posters, you are all content to argue and point fingers at the left/right. You are all wasting your time. THERE ISN’T A DIFFERENCE BTWN REPS/DEMS. Any time spent making and refuting personal arguments is time NOT SPENT considering real change. Everyone here is dissatisfied but they’ll keep voting their party line and consider their patriotism quenched. DON’T VOTE FOR MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES.

Apr 5, 2009 - 4:47 am 234. Cassandra Troy:

The answer to this question is Kantian ethics, or deontology. In this approach to morality the intention is all that counts. In fact, taking the effect (or result) of your action into consideration at all, renders the act outside the field of morality per definition. It leads to obvious nonsense as, it is wrong to lie to a murderer, even if this would save someone’s life.

Apr 5, 2009 - 4:49 am 235. Dead on balls accurate « catscratchins:

[...] Read the whole article here. [...]

Apr 5, 2009 - 5:17 am 236. Bilgeman:

#223 Delia:
“to legally engage in butt sex marriage or two women having fuzz bumper marriage”

Fuzz-bumping? ROFL

Mizz Delia…I am SO stealing that term!

Apr 5, 2009 - 5:43 am 237. Will:

Just remember 2010 and 2012 elections will get here,and as new conservatives we can do our thing.

Apr 5, 2009 - 7:03 am 238. SGT Ted:

The maniac who shot 13 people dead in a Binghamton immigration center before killing himself was described Friday as an angry loner who loved guns, hated America and talked about assassinating the President.

Kevin Greene, who once worked with 41-year-old mass murderer Jiverly Voong, said a question about a New York Yankees T-shirt he was wearing brought out his dark side.

Greene said, “I asked him if he liked the Yanks,” and “he said, ‘No, I don’t like that team. I don’t like America. America sucks.’”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/04/04/2009-04-04_who_is_jiverly_voong_aka_jiverly_wong_co.html

So much for the attempted leftwing propaganda meme to smear conservatives and paint them as potential rampage murderers. Typical liberal trashtalk lies.

Apr 5, 2009 - 7:11 am 239. Delia:

236. Bilgeman,

LOL! I thought that ['fuzz bumper'] was a fairly common [crude] term for lesbians? Have at ‘er! I can’t take credit though.

Apr 5, 2009 - 7:56 am 240. Delia:

238. SGT Ted,

Great post, Ted. The TRUTH is hard for Libs to swallow… Baby steps.

Apr 5, 2009 - 7:59 am 241. WJA:

This has been a fun thread to read. I’ve spent over an hour and still haven’t discovered any debate by the liberals to refute any facts by conservatives. As someone said earlier, if you can’t attach the message, attack the messenger. A typical liberal tactic. Keep it up, the more the liberals open their mouths the more they display their ignorance.
Societies prosper that are allowed liberty and freedom and are guided by the rule of law. Civilizations crumble when they become self absorbed and dependent on government. Study history.

Apr 5, 2009 - 8:14 am 242. Delia:

224. VibrioCocci,

I just re-read my response to you and I hope it didn’t come off as an attack towards YOU. I meant towards the douche who you were asking the question to.

I just wanted to clarify because after perusing my posts I noticed mine ’sounded’ a bit [wrongly] sour towards you, which was NOT my intention.

Apr 5, 2009 - 8:21 am 243. Delia:

241. WJA,

I liken this thread to a teensy clown car where the clowns keep pouring out even though there’s realistically no room for more than a few clowns [recycled clowns].

Libtards are mildly amusing [especially when they stick their big clown feet in their own mouths].

Apr 5, 2009 - 8:25 am 244. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: One Heard From

“Pay attention Chuck.” — David S

Now where’s the other?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. If David S think’s Klavan’s article is full of ‘insults’, I find it an interesting indicator that David S thinks telling the truth is ‘insulting’.

Apr 5, 2009 - 8:37 am 245. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. It’s “Honk! You’re Hateful”.

Goes along with his PJTV item about “Shut Up!”

David S and DZunga, as well as others of their ilk, what US to ’shut up’….

Apr 5, 2009 - 8:41 am 246. Bilgeman:

#239 Delia:
“I thought that ['fuzz bumper'] was a fairly common [crude] term for lesbians?”

I hadn’t heard it. “Plaid flannel shirt-wearing Subaru Drivers”, yes…”Fuzz-Bumpers”, no.

One can learn so very much here…

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:03 am 247. Delia:

Chuck,

No worries… David S. removes all doubt every time he types here.

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:04 am 248. Delia:

246. Bilgeman:

I hadn’t heard it. “Plaid flannel shirt-wearing Subaru Drivers”, yes…”Fuzz-Bumpers”, no.

One can learn so very much here…
~

LMAO! *INDEED* I’m trying to make my homemade sourdough bread and keep up with you guys-n-gals. he-he!

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:10 am 249. Righteous Bubba:

You NEVER addressed Obama’s admitted drug usage.

Please explain.

Already explained above, but you’re not smart enough to get it.

Let’s look further at Rush’s opinions of drug users, shall we?

I have a solution for Mrs. [Jocelyn] Elders. I mean, if she wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich and let’s be rid of them. Now…The problem with legalizing drugs is, it’s just another abhorrent example of human behavior that we’ve suddenly decided, “Hey, we can’t handle it. We’ve given up and we’re going to sanction the destruction of lives. We’re going to let you destroy your life. We’re going to make it easy, and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don’t destroy our lives on drugs–we’ll pay for whatever messes you get into.”…

I’m appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say, “Hey, you know, we can’t control it anymore. People are going to do drugs anyway. Let’s legalize it.” It’s a dumb idea. It’s a rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish.

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:14 am 250. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Joe C., et al.
RE: It’s Called….

“Leftists have a genetic disability that prevents recognizing hypocrisy and irony in themselves while being able to find it everywhere it does not exist.” — Joe C.

….’projection’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:15 am 251. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Righteous Bubba
RE: Drugs for All of US

“Let’s legalize it.” It’s a dumb idea. It’s a rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish.” — Rush Limbaugh, as cited by Righteous Bubba

The other aspect of it is that the druggies want to be able to operate heavy equipment, engineer a diesel locomotive, manage a nuclear power plant, etc., etc., etc., along with taking their drugs that inhibit their ability to do such safely.

I.e., no drug testing.

I’m reminded of an incident in the mid-80s, after I moved from Fort Carson to Denver. A train-wreck that closed US 36, a limited-access four-lane superhighway between Denver and Boulder.

Two trains collided in the vicinity of the overpass over US36. Rail cars derailed down onto the roadway.

Autopsies determined that several of the engineers killed in the accident were high on pot at the time.

Think about it….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:22 am 252. Delia:

PAIN MANAGEMENT drugs PRESCRIBED by a DOCTOR are not the same as RECREATIONAL drugs you get on the STREET aka COCAINE-POT-Smack-Crack etc.

Good frickin’ grief. The libtards truly are mentally challenged. So sad.

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:25 am 253. Righteous Bubba:

PAIN MANAGEMENT drugs PRESCRIBED by a DOCTOR are not the same as RECREATIONAL drugs you get on the STREET aka COCAINE-POT-Smack-Crack etc.

YES THEY ARE IF YOU FIND THEM ON THE STREETCORNER! WHICH IS WHY RUSH HAD SOMEONE BUY THEM FOR HIM!

I can do caps too.

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:51 am 254. Delia:

253. Righteous Bubba,

Pain pills take away pain. They don’t get you high or stoned. I know because I’m on them right now after extensive tooth surgery. Believe me, I ain’t ‘higher than a kite’. I’m managing my pain. My doctor and husband had to ‘talk me into’ taking them because I’m not a pill popper… I hardly even take a frickin’ aspirin.

When you’re in a LOT of pain you’d be surprised what you’d do to stop it.

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:59 am 255. Delia:

Also, getting addicted to something that was prescribed to you is not the same thing as purposely wanting to get ‘high’ on coke/pot etc. Doctors need to be more vigilant about prescribing high dosages of highly addictive pain meds. I insisted my doc gave me the lowest dosage possible but my situation is temporary once my jaw and teeth heal up. Something like Rush had might have been much more extensive regarding the pain. The problem with relying on pain management drugs is that once you start to feel the ‘pain’ again it feels ten times worse than if you’d just ‘rode it out’ which is why I hate taking anything for pain.

I gave birth to my daughter with a midwife and NO pain meds. Believe me, I KNOW PAIN. ←[yes, that deserved all caps lol]!

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:04 am 256. Bilgeman:

#249 Right Bubba:
“Already explained above, but you’re not smart enough to get it.”

There you go again.

Your standards are longer, your writing is superior, and now you want us to acknowledge that your IQ is firmer and stays hard all night long, too?

Just how small and flaccid IS that thing you’re compensating here for, anyway?

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:08 am 257. Bilgeman:

#248 Delia:
“I’m trying to make my homemade sourdough bread and keep up with you guys-n-gals. he-he!”

Updating an old bumper-sticker:

“Keep America Beautiful…give a dyke a bikini wax!”

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:12 am 258. Delia:

256. Bilgeman:

“Just how small and flaccid IS that thing you’re compensating here for, anyway?”
~

Bilge, I think he’s workin’ with a ‘gherkin’. Just sayin’…

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:14 am 259. Righteous Bubba:

Pain pills take away pain. They don’t get you high or stoned. I know because I’m on them right now after extensive tooth surgery.

Dear dumbass: please visit your local trailer park and ask around for some oxycontin.

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:15 am 260. Delia:

257. Bilgeman:

Updating an old bumper-sticker:

“Keep America Beautiful…give a dyke a bikini wax!”

LMFAO! Don’t forget those hairy ‘pits’ either.

Do they make flannel bikinis?

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:16 am 261. Delia:

259. Righteous Bubba:

“Dear dumbass: please visit your local trailer park and ask around for some oxycontin.”
~

Name calling so soon? I live in a mansion with a gorgeous view of the sound [a home my husband and I designed and built ourselves], not a trailer…but, thanks for letting me know where you obviously live.

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:19 am 262. Righteous Bubba:

Name calling so soon?

If I get someone who lives down to ‘em, sure!

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:24 am 263. David S:

@244. Chuck Pelto:

If David S think’s Klavan’s article is full of ‘insults’, I find it an interesting indicator that David S thinks telling the truth is ‘insulting’.

Klavan is the one who claimed “You’re a lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward.” if you read the LA Times. I’d consider that an insult under most circumstances. He refers to liberals as “scrawny” and “not tolerant of a wide range of views” – but there is no evidence provided.

When he opines “whatever you claim, you still haven’t listened to Rush Limbaugh”, Klavan is basically calling readers who have listened to Rush liars. What’s with all the hostility and the mocking tone?

Klavan finally admits he’s a Rush fan – which essentially precludes him from thinking rationally:

I listen to Limbaugh every chance I get, and I have never heard the man utter a single racist, hateful or stupid word.

It’s a funny thing, really. But this joke is getting old…

Peace.

DS

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:24 am 264. Delia:

262. David S:

“It’s a funny thing, really. But this joke is getting old…”
~

Really? Then why are you here? -And, why have you dodged the obvious? Your precious ‘Zero’ was in a ‘white hating’ church for 20 years. Also, please explain 0bama’s creepy mentors.

Do you even pay attention to facts?

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:36 am 265. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: [OT] Sunday Activities

I’m trying to make my homemade sourdough bread and keep up with you guys-n-gals. he-he! — Delia

The distaff is doing the same. I’m working on replenishing the stocks of yogurt, sour cream and cottage cheese.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Do It Yourself. Save money and make it better.]

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:36 am 266. Righteous Bubba:

Do you even pay attention to facts?

Delia: Rush is a druggie who thinks druggies should be in jail. And where is he? Getting his ass kissed by everyone else who thinks druggies should be in jail. Do you even pay attention to facts?

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:42 am 267. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: As I Was Saying….

You’re a lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward. — Klavan, according to David S

….telling the truth is considered to be an ‘insult’ by some people.

Here’s the full comment ‘in context’….

Now let me tell you the real answer: You’re a lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward. You’re terrified of finding out he makes more sense than you do.

I listen to Limbaugh every chance I get, and I have never heard the man utter a single racist, hateful or stupid word. Do I always agree with him? Of course not. I’m a conservative; I think for myself. But Limbaugh, by turns insightful, satiric, raucously funny and wise, is one of the best voices talking about first principles and policy in the country today. — Andrew Klavan

You can read the whole article by Klavan HERE.

The REAL problem is that people like David S/DZunga are liars.

It really hurts them when people point out their fallacies.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[National strength lies only in the hearts and spirits of men. -- S. L. A. Marshall]

P.S. In my personal opinion, David S/DZunga are poor examples of that strength. Why? Because they cannot, or rather will not, recognize the truth of what Klavan is saying here and in his article in the LAT.

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:49 am 268. Delia:

266. Righteous Bubba

You are parsing LEGAL drugs with ILLEGAL drugs and never the twain shall meet. I’ve had enough of you. Talk to yourself in your echo room full of lube and xxx posters. Maybe grandma can afford to refill your kegger in the basement you live in.
~

265. Chuck Pelto,

You make cheese too, Chuck?! I’d love to make my own cheese but I’m a mighty proud of my homemade breads [everything from croissants to french bread]. I’d like to consider myself a master baker.

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:49 am 269. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: David S/DZunga

Do you even pay attention to facts? — Delia

In a word? “Yes”. But he/they lie.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth means nothing to those who hate it.]

P.S. Look at the way the David S version responds here to Klavan’s article in the LAT.

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:51 am 270. Delia:

269. Chuck Pelto,

Yeah. The ‘amusement’ has worn off. I’m not really annoyed [yet] but some of the ‘comments’ are like a ‘hiccup’ in an otherwise nice thread.

Andy made some excellent points which obviously riled the left which means they touched a ’sore spot’…hehe. Good on Klavan!

Apr 5, 2009 - 10:56 am 271. David S:

Klavan’s obnoxious insults detract from his point. And listening to Rush does not require any special courage, other than the courage to “waste a perfectly good hour” as the Car Talk folks would say.

If Klavan dropped the attitude and addressed the real reasons that Rush is so polarizing, it would make for a better column. His own desire to maximize his exposure to Rush is revealing. I have nothing against Rush as an entertainer, but he is not the best advocate for the GOP among anyone but the die hard. You’ve got to be nose deep in Kool-Aid to keep a steady diet of Rush.

I’ve listened to Rush, and what concerns me is that some people take him a little too seriously. He brings the ears of the right to his advertisers – as is his duty – but he also fills them with just enough nonsense to make the dittoheads dangerous.

Calling me a ‘liar’ is just Chuck’s way of saying “I’ve got no rebuttal”. Gotta love that universal retort…

Have fun… and don’t forget to honk!

Peace.

DS

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:10 am 272. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: More Obfuscation

“Klavan’s obnoxious insults detract from his point.” — David S

Contrary to David S/DZunga’s claim, Klavan’s comment drove the point of the cowardice, or worse….and I suspect the latter…., on the part of the people Klavan was addressing in the LAT article.

Sort of like the way Buffy the Vampire Killer (the Movie), drover her ‘point’ home with that well executed side-kick to the butt end of the wooden stake as it stuck out of the chest of the righteously ‘nailed’ vampire.

That’s why David S/DZunga is whining so much….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The truth hurts.....those who despise it.]

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:18 am 273. Righteous Bubba:

You are parsing LEGAL drugs with ILLEGAL drugs

That’s not how you use the word “parse” but I’m sure it makes you feel smart so keep on going because it’s funny.

Why do you figger people rob pharmacies for drugs? To experiment on bunnies?

Rush is no better than any other addict, and according to himself and all his friends he should be in jail now except that he’s, you know, Rush Limbaugh.

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:19 am 274. Delia:

271. David S:

“Klavan’s obnoxious insults”

Huh? Please define what YOU consider an ‘insult’?

I’m no fan of Rush [my husband was for a time] but what he [Rush] says rings pretty true even if his blow-hard rants are a bit off the scale.

Klavan touched a nerve eh? GOOD! After the whole “Bush Hitler” crap it’s high time you twatty lefties get it right back in your pansy assed faces. *MUAH*

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:19 am 275. Delia:

273. Righteous Bubba.

Meaning

2: to examine in a minute way : analyze critically

Parsing doesn’t only mean ‘verbiage’ you fucktard.

Feel smarter now that I’ve schooled you? Good. Now recite your “ABC’s” and get back to me, Bub.

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:23 am 276. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: Indeed

“Andy made some excellent points which obviously riled the left which means they touched a ’sore spot’…hehe. Good on Klavan!” — Delia

As an old Army axiom I like to refer to at times like this goes….

You know you’ve scored a ‘hit’ because of the secondary detonations.

David S/DZunga is certainly demonstrating the truth to that, here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack. -- Winston Churchill]

P.S. I think Limbaugh, Klavan, I and a few others hereabouts admire Sir Winston’s approach to political discourse…..

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:27 am 277. Delia:

Chuck,

You have the right idea. Knowledge is POWER and what we are dealing with is a bunch of poorly educated numb-nuts. Truth is, self-educating is the best. There is no perogative from some lefty teacher…you read…you learn…you grasp.

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:34 am 278. Righteous Bubba:

Parsing doesn’t only mean ‘verbiage’ you fucktard.

Delia, that’s still not how you use “parse” – go back and read the sentence you wrote and try to stick your definition in there – but it’s hilarious to have you follow my advice and defend it!

“Verbiage” is not at all what I meant, but it’s hilarious that you think so given your lack of skill with verbiage.

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:36 am 279. Delia:

Yes, you CAN use ‘PARSE’ in the way I was using it. Are you daft?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parse

YOUR lack of skill with verbiage is verging on pathetic.

Let’s go over this:

“You are parsing LEGAL drugs with ILLEGAL drugs”

Meaning you are by [Merriam-Webster Dictionary] “examining in a minute way” the comparison between legal and illegal drugs.

I’ve adroitly laid out my full meaning behind the usage of the word “Parse” and you’ve skipped over the fact that I INDEED used it correctly.

Now what? You want to find a typo in my thong? lol

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:44 am 280. Delia:

Yes, you CAN use ‘PARSE’ in the way I was using it. Are you daft?

YOUR lack of skill with verbiage is verging on pathetic.

Let’s go over this:

“You are parsing LEGAL drugs with ILLEGAL drugs”

Meaning you are by [Merriam-Webster Dictionary] “examining in a minute way” the comparison between legal and illegal drugs.

I’ve adroitly laid out my full meaning behind the usage of the word “Parse” and you’ve skipped over the fact that I INDEED used it correctly.

Now what? You want to find a typo in my thong? lol

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:45 am 281. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: [OT] Baking

“You make cheese too, Chuck?!” — Delia

Not quite into the cheese thing just yet. This effort at cottage cheese is a first. If it works out well, I’ll do it regularly and start looking at doing my own stiltons, bries and such. There are some interesting recipes on the web. But you need to get yourself geared up as a microbiologist in order to maintain viable cultures of the principle bacteria necessary for the various forms. Each cheese has it’s own bacteria.

For me, that’s a given, as my undergrad studies were microbiology.

Sam’s Club got me thinking about doing cheese two years ago when they started offering exotic cheeses during the Christmas holiday season. The Stilton with blueberries was a real ‘kicker’. But they don’t carry it any more and I miss it. So…..

…if it was great and they don’t do it anymore, you gotta learn to (1) fend for yourself or (2) do without.

Besides, I enjoy learning…..good stuff…..

RE: Baking

“I’d love to make my own cheese but I’m a mighty proud of my homemade breads [everything from croissants to french bread]. I’d like to consider myself a master baker.” — Delia

The distaff does the baking here. She’s won blue-ribbons at state fairs.

I do most of the cooking. Something I learned to appreciate while attending that ’spa’ the Army operates out of Benning School for Boys, a.k.a., The Ranger Course. I went in a fit 170 and came out looking like an escapee from Auschwitz. Ever since then, I have difficulty turning down food. You never can be absolutely certain when you’re going to eat again.

Currently marinating a chicken to roast. Something to do with rosemary, garlic, olive oil, dry white wine and other herbs and spices.

The bread should be ready to shape in another 45 minutes. At which time, I’ll call her up and tell her, “Your presence is required.”

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Food is an important part of a balanced diet.]

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:47 am 282. Delia:

Sorry about the double post.

*juggles some bitter grapes*

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:48 am 283. Righteous Bubba:

Meaning you are by [Merriam-Webster Dictionary] “examining in a minute way” the comparison between legal and illegal drugs.

Delia, you don’t know the difference between subject and object. Hysterical. Please go parse your ass, or parse a toe, or parse a drug, even with another drug: doesn’t matter, all nonsense. I’d say go parse a sentence, BUT THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE!

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:52 am 284. Delia:

Chuck,

You’re making me HUNGRY! I ground up my own sirloin for hamburgers today. Don’t you just love making stuff on your own? No fear of e-coli too, so you can have a nice rare burger without the worries.

We are going to make steak burgers today once I get my bread in the oven…I’m going to try making ’square’ rolls… Should prove interesting. lol

Chuck, I know I razzed you a lot before I got to know ya but I just want to say…you ROCK! I apologize for being so hard on you before. People need time to get to know each other I guess and then it’s like…wow…what a gift!

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:54 am 285. Righteous Bubba:

Whoops! Typo! Let’s see if Delia’s smart enough to spot it!

Apr 5, 2009 - 11:56 am 286. Delia:

285. Righteous Bubba,

Are you kidding? I’m the typo QUEEN, homey! You know you want to see my thong.

BTW, I think you’re developing a strange crush on me. You know you areeeeeeee. *teekle teekle*

I’m adorable, you know you love me. You keep fighting it but you know you do. *smooch*

I have longgggggg blonde hair, baby blue eyes and a rockin’ bod… Yep. I’m one of those “hottie” conservatives. Sure beats the scary bull dykes on the left eh?

Apr 5, 2009 - 12:08 pm 287. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: [OT] You Call THAT….

“Chuck, I know I razzed you a lot before I got to know ya….” — Delia

…’razzing’? Sakes! Not to offend, but you’re supporting David S’s comments.

Sometime, if he is still amongst the ‘quick’, I should introduce you to Colonel ‘No Slack’.

Just to ‘drive this point home’….

The night before the 1-22 IN(M) battalion went out on a 12-mile ‘jaunt’ with full field gear and weapons at the double-time, he took the Bravo Company Commander out drinking….and drank him under the table.

The next morning, about five miles into our little ‘parade’, all of the medical platoon ‘fell-out’ and clustered around the crumpled-up body of said infantry company commander. I had to double-back and get the bulk of them BACK into the ’spirit’ of the Adventure of the day, leaving two behind to attend to our fallen comrade-in-arms until the ambulance came to police him up.

You don’t want to swap drinks with Colonel ‘No Slack’. He’s abusive, but he doesn’t need mere words to be so…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The man, ‘No Slack’, kicked my splinted, broken leg, after I’d broken it chasing him down a blue-slope. I’d almost had him, too…..

The guy might have been in league with the Devil, as I was gaining on him when suddenly, something picked me up, turned me around, and I found myself going straight down the slope BACKWARDS.

I had just enough time to think, “This is ‘wrong’,” before the rear edge of my ski stuck and I tried to touch my nose with my toes.

The multi-fragmented, boot-break fracture was rather ‘interesting’ to the medical staff at the Army hospital at Fort Carson…..on a professional basis…..

Apr 5, 2009 - 12:25 pm 288. Bilgeman:

#284 Delia:
“You’re making me HUNGRY! I ground up my own sirloin for hamburgers today. Don’t you just love making stuff on your own? No fear of e-coli too, so you can have a nice rare burger without the worries.”

I love that. The Good BilgeWife and I go in halvesies with a neighbor on a steer every other year.

The neighbor’s brother is the farmer we buy from. This is a western Pennsylvania steer, veeeery lean…spends it’s life going up the hill, and it’s evenings going down the hill.
The ground beast is so lean that we actually have to add oil to a patty or a meatball so it doesn’t dry out.
It’s quite spoiled me on commercial beef.

I work in the Awl/Url/Oy-ull patch…infested with Texicans, to whom steak is a religion…but their burgers are dog-nasty!

One Bilgeburger, and these “aquatic hillbillies” would lose their frickin’ minds.

Apr 5, 2009 - 12:28 pm 289. Delia:

*OUCH* Chuck, I meant no offense, I was kinda standin’ up for ya, laddy? How’d that go wrong? I like you! I really LIKE YOU!
~

Bilge, your bilge burgers sound soooooo good. I’m jealous! My steak burgers are pretty good but I doubt they could rival a Bilgeburger. *sniffle*

Apr 5, 2009 - 12:52 pm 290. Odysseus:

114. Erasmus

The market is not a mystical force, but it is a force that does not need prodding by the government. Where we get into trouble is when we allow some kind of artificial thing to be introduced into the market. The minimum wage certainly qualifies. During the Bush years, it was held to $5.25, but the market effectively made the minimum around $7. Unions are another. Compensation negotiated by unions does not reflect the worth of that job in the market, therefore it is artificial. I think unions should be allowed to bargain for working conditions and employee treatment, but not salary and benefits. The excesses you talked about (anti-trust, etc.) are a problem, but the market will correct those problems over time. Government, if it is to do anything, should hurry along those corrections. While the free market system does not guarantee anything for participants, it has resulted in a greater percentage of people achieving wealth than any other system.

Apr 5, 2009 - 1:03 pm 291. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: Overly ‘Sensitive’?

“*OUCH* Chuck, I meant no offense, I was kinda standin’ up for ya, laddy? How’d that go wrong?” — Delia

You didn’t offend me. I was suggesting that my reply might offend YOU.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You gotta LOVE 'English'. There are so many opportunities to offend so many people....even inadvertantly.]

Apr 5, 2009 - 1:06 pm 292. Delia:

Chuck, I guess you and I will always butt heads.

Apr 5, 2009 - 1:06 pm 293. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: ‘Confidence is High’….

“Chuck, I guess you and I will always butt heads.” — Delia

…as my former neighbor who worked ‘Under the Mountain’ outside of C’Springs used to say.

It’s one of the joys of working with a language that tries to accommodate every other language….in part by robbing them blind….on the face of the earth.

No wonder the French ‘hate’ US. Franglaise, indeed.

Now I’m wondering how David S/DZunga will try to spin THAT idea…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary! -- James D. Nicoll]

Apr 5, 2009 - 1:30 pm 294. Delia:

Bilge, you and the wifey sound like an awesome duo. Kudos! I prefer to grind my own sausage too. I don’t trust what the supermarkets claim as ’safe’. I prefer handling a big ol’ hunk O’ meat and dealing with it in my own way [cheaper too].

Apr 5, 2009 - 1:55 pm 295. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

Sure beats the scary dull bykes on the left eh?

Yeah. I got the coolest one in the whole universe. At least I did until Francis stoled it…

/If you didn’t see my Big Adventure, don’t expect to understand.
//And don’t forget to tell ‘em Large Marge sent you! Hahahahaha!
///There’s no basement in the Alamo.

Apr 5, 2009 - 1:56 pm 296. Delia:

Chuck, sometimes you crack me up! You goof. Can I tickle you? Hmmmm? *teekle teekle*

We ALL need to lighten up huh? I’m so exhausted both emotionally, physically and yes, MENTALLY that I’m ready for a vacay.

In ‘udda voids’ I’m pooped!

Apr 5, 2009 - 1:59 pm 297. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: [OT] Understood

“In ‘udda voids’ I’m pooped!” — Delia

I’m sitting here trolling the web, sipping a bourbon and monitoring the bread and the chicken and potatoes. There is no time, betwixt the three to do anything else…..except shifting to martinis as it gets closer to supper…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life.]

Apr 5, 2009 - 2:06 pm 298. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia & Bilgeman
RE: [OT] Sausage, Anyone?

Here’s MY favorite:

• 4 pounds ground pork shoulder
• 1 pound ground pork loin
• 5 tbls salt
• 2 tbls ground sage

Apr 5, 2009 - 2:18 pm 299. Chuck Pelto:

DANG IT!!!!

Here’s the rest of the recipe….

• 6 cloves garlic, minced/squashed/whatevered
• Ground pepper
• Slices of fresh Persian limes

You can make patties or stuff casings.

Grill….squeezed with fresh lime juice….enjoy….

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Apr 5, 2009 - 2:19 pm 300. AThinkingPerson:

I’ve gained 10 pounds just reading the posts between Delia and Chuck! You guys put my cooking to shame unfortunately. I can make a mean martini though.

Apr 5, 2009 - 2:19 pm 301. Chuck Pelto:

TO: AThinkingPerson
RE: Good Cooking

May I recomment The Good Cook series from Time-Life.

Published in the 1980s, it is probably the best series of books for learning how to cook well.

It is a 30-volume set, each book based on a particular form of food, e.g., beef & veal, pork, poultry, salads, soup, pastry, cookies & crackers, vegetables, dried beans and grains, etc., etc., etc.

Each book gets the reader into the ‘ball park’ with respect to recognizing the nature and quality of the product. Then there is a section of ‘how to’ with pictures. This is followed by a collection of excellent recipes from around the world on what ingredients go into a dish.

By and large, it is the best ever book series on how to cook well. I highly recommend it to everyone who reads these comments.

Unfortunately, it is ‘out-of-print’ and can only be found at estate sales, used book stores, and such places as Amazon.com doing a search on “The Good Cook Series”.

Good Luck,

Chuck(le)
[All Scottish food is based on some form of 'dare'.]

Apr 5, 2009 - 2:31 pm 302. Delia:

Chuck,

Your sausage sounds Delish! My hubby grew up in the “Chick-aw-go” area of Illinois. Definitely ‘good eats’ there but wow…we gained 10 pounds one reunion. Yikes!

Anyhoodle, my hubby’s father was famouus [a bit] for his Italian sausage. He donated it to the Catholic church when he made ‘big batches’… His offspring [including my hubby] have tried to replicate the recipe to no avail. I guess he didn’t want to ’share’. lol

Apr 5, 2009 - 2:48 pm 303. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. For potables….

…I recommend The Playboy Host & Bar Guide. A hard-bound ‘coffee-table’ sized book by Thomas Mario. Published in 1971, it is the epitome of potable alcohol, with lots of great information to educate the neophyte. Not to forget the wonderful concoctions such as the Bitter Banana Cooler, various forms of esoteric martini—I favor the Blenton—and the ever popular ‘Nightshade’. [Note: It's a shame you can't get REAL Chartreuse anymore.....]

This, along with how to prepare various punches, hors d’oeuvres, what wines to stock and suggestions on what to prepare for a particular type of party…based on various budgets….

….in other words, all the mixology any gentleman would need to know in this day and age.

Heck. It makes for interesting conversation, just by itself.

Again….out-of-print…but Amazon can probably help…..

Apr 5, 2009 - 2:48 pm 304. Delia:

283. Righteous Bubba:

Delia, you don’t know the difference between subject and object.
~

Parsing a subject OR an object is your argument? Nope. You still haven’t sold me, douchebag. I stand by my grammar. If you no likey, then find something ELSE to pick on me about. Obviously the feeding frenzy from the left are getting desperate.

Apr 5, 2009 - 3:03 pm 305. Delia:

298. AThinkingPerson:

Please! Make me a double martini dry with extra olives. lol

Apr 5, 2009 - 3:11 pm 306. ITF:

This article apparently set off alarm bells in some leftie activist hole. The stupidity of the leftie posters in this comment section is a wonder to behold.

Orwell would know these parasites for what they are. The new twist being the amazing consistency of their comments – repeating the same propaganda phrases endlessly, changing every subject, and most often just flat-out lying.

They contribute nothing to any discussion. They only stir the pot and divert any actual conversation going on.

Pajamas Media: Isn’t it about time to stop accomodating these trolls? No leftie website allows even a slight deviation from the party line. Sticking to the “open minded” mantra just indulges them. They have no intention of ever having an actual conversation. Delete them. They contribute, and know, nothing.

Apr 5, 2009 - 3:47 pm 307. Bilgeman:

Sausage & Shrimp over Grits

I’ve tried this with andouille and sweet italian sausage, it works out with either.

Slice sausage into discs, brown ‘em and set aside to warm. In the same pan, melt a stick of butter some olive oil and finely minced garlic, celery and red pepper…git ‘er hot, liquefy the “trinity” then sautee the shrimp in it. Mind not to overcook te shrimp…you’re looking to almost “tempura” ‘em.

As the shrimp get done, sprinkle with Tony Chachere’s Cajun seasoning.(Which you SHOULD have!)
Pull the shrimp out and set them aside to warm.

Lower the heat and stir in two or three jars of pork gravy.

You will have made a pot of hominy grits, in salted water, and with plenty of butter.

A note here: If you’re not from the enlightened part of the country that grew up eating grits, you might think that it should be soupy like Cream of Wheat. T’ain’t so! Tha’s NAS-TEEEE!. Grits should be moist yet firm enough to “peak” some. THAT’S the consistency you want any time you make grits, and especially so with this dish.

On your plate, lay down a bed of grits, spoon out the sausgaes and the shrimp, and cover with the gravy.

I’d make this on the mudboat, where we’d take turns cooking, and the lads scarfed it down.

Apr 5, 2009 - 3:57 pm 308. Delia:

Bilge, I wish someone would make me some genuine grits! I’ve never had ‘em and I’d not dare make them without first learning from a PRO. Sounds sooooo yummy though. I think ‘grtis’ are an art that one must truly master and that is one on my list of things to ‘learn’. I tried making hominy pudding once…oy vey. Not pretty! I’ve still got plenty of cooking learnin’ to do.

Apr 5, 2009 - 6:39 pm 309. Delia:

306. ITF,

True, true ITF, but PJM keeps it ‘real’ by letting the whackos have their say too. My head hurts after some thrashings but what the hay, freedom rings even if a stinky stench is left in the aftermath. lol

Apr 5, 2009 - 6:42 pm 310. ITF:

Delia, you’re quite right, of course. However, it would be nice if they actually had something to say. I lived and worked in the former East Block for many years – both before and after the fall of the wall. I’ve spent many interesting hours discussing history, economics and life in general with some genuinely intelligent statists (yes, commies).

The lefties of today are not fit to lick the boots of the tyrants and termite followers of the recent past. In fact, they’re just plain stupid. And becoming more than just a little tiresome.

Apr 5, 2009 - 8:55 pm 311. view from afar:

Chuck Delia and Bilgeman; add a bit of fresh ground nutmeg and soak your garlic for at least one day in red wine and your sausage will be out of this world! We raise our own hogs, chickens and so forth, and nothing beats the taste! Plus being in the southwest of France, the garlic is from the garden…(even though I miss the US, there are some compensations). I need to find a small cream separator so I can make butter and ice cream easier…(I miss real midwestern ice cream…) As for the left, think that in all education the profs push the liberal adgenda, so if you are able to think for yourself and come to another conclusion, other than the social liberal one, there is something obviously wrong with your ability to learn? whatever

Apr 6, 2009 - 1:18 am 312. Robert:

So, Comrade Barry goes to Europe and becomes their b–tch, coming away empty-handed. What did anyone expect? Even the left is starting to smell Barry for what he is…as Mr. Friedman and Mr. Zakaria state in their columns today, Barry projects neither Kennedy nor Roosevelt, but good ‘ol Jimmy Earl Carter and we all know how that turned out. The good news is, 2012 is on its way! We just have to limit the damage in the interim.

Apr 6, 2009 - 6:15 am 313. WJA:

Delia:
Unfortunately you’ve experienced an exercise in frustration, trying to educate a liberal. Again this proves my point. A liberal is taught what to think, not how to think. I must say the food is a lot more delicious. Please forward your address and I’ll furnish the appetite.

Apr 6, 2009 - 12:45 pm 314. Chuck Pelto:

TO: WJA, et al.
RE: Okay….

“Again this proves my point. A liberal is taught what to think, not how to think.” — WJA

….how do we get them to actually START ‘thinking’ for themselves?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think.]

Apr 6, 2009 - 2:33 pm 315. Delia:

311. view from afar,

Great tips! Another [garlic] tip is I buy whole garlic bulbs at Coscto [warehouse type store] for cheap and I slow roast them with kosher salt and olive oil whole [skin and all] in the oven and then store them in a sealed container in the fridge. They last a LONG time in the fridge and you just squeeze out the innards from the garlic bulb when you need some garlic. Roasted garlic is far sweeter and tastier [less gassy] too.
~

313. WJA,

Wellllll, the only reason I even ‘face off’ with some of the libtards is to not seem as if I’m a wussy or let them think they have ‘bested’ me. Believe me; I have grown a pretty thick skin on the ‘internetz’. I even have built-in flame-proof undies and everything. You got the appetite? Come on over! I love feeding people with good food I made with love.

Apr 6, 2009 - 3:00 pm 316. fred:

#306, ITF,

Your commentary was refreshing and right on the money. The Collectivist Borg I am familiar with today is actually a devolution from what it was back in my academic Marxist days (1977-1987). They have degenerated into a pack of jackals and you cannot reason with a pack of jackals that smell blood.

It has become so mindless over there that if I wanted to have a conversation with any of them about some Marxist thinker whose work I’ve read all I would likely get would be blank stares (and that from college students, no less). If I posed as a Marxist/”progressive” (and I could get away with this, because I used to be one)and tried to strike up a conversation about some conservative critique of socialism and what the core of the argument is, I would likely get yawns and glazed eyes.

Folks, what we are dealing with is The Borg. I highly recommend that we use this name frequently.

Apr 6, 2009 - 3:40 pm 317. Delia:

fred, we are definitely bogged down by “The Borg”… I’ll try and remember to use that phrase more often. If I forget, feel free to nudge me.

Apr 6, 2009 - 4:58 pm 318. deguello:

#271 David S(STALINIST) Well Davie,you are a liberal, which means that lying is to you what drugs are to a junkie. Rush is an excellent polemicist/slash entertainer that constntly exposes your totalitarian agenda;hence your cretinous hatred of the man.Give it up fool!

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