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		<title>By: Tom West</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For the record, I thought I was going to be able to raise my kids as human. The world’s left, right, black, white and all shade of in between have not allowed me to do this. Their identity was being questioned from day one at school and on the play ground. To combat this we needed to help embrace their ethnicity and take pride in it.&quot;

Wow, I&#039;m sad for you.  My boys are biracial, but didn&#039;t notice their ethnicity until I pointed it out to them in about grade 5.  It had never come up before.  The palpable shock and incomprehension from the students when the teacher first talked about racial discrimination during &quot;Black History Month&quot; in grade 5 was interesting.  (My oldest was upset for weeks - he had assumed that adults in &#039;modern times&#039; were rational...)

However, I will say that *cultural* differences rather than physical differences are noticed by the kids much, much earlier.  The kids in the neighborhood are racially diverse, but culturally uniform - Canadian liberal urban middle-class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For the record, I thought I was going to be able to raise my kids as human. The world’s left, right, black, white and all shade of in between have not allowed me to do this. Their identity was being questioned from day one at school and on the play ground. To combat this we needed to help embrace their ethnicity and take pride in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, I&#8217;m sad for you.  My boys are biracial, but didn&#8217;t notice their ethnicity until I pointed it out to them in about grade 5.  It had never come up before.  The palpable shock and incomprehension from the students when the teacher first talked about racial discrimination during &#8220;Black History Month&#8221; in grade 5 was interesting.  (My oldest was upset for weeks &#8211; he had assumed that adults in &#8216;modern times&#8217; were rational&#8230;)</p>
<p>However, I will say that *cultural* differences rather than physical differences are noticed by the kids much, much earlier.  The kids in the neighborhood are racially diverse, but culturally uniform &#8211; Canadian liberal urban middle-class.</p>
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		<title>By: paul_unalaska</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>paul_unalaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JackT, calling Mr. Klavan racist and political party pathetic.  You apparently hadn&#039;t received/ accepted Teleprompter Guy&#039;s &#039;Hope&#039; n &#039;Change&#039; mantra.

You&#039;re small in every meaning imaginable..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JackT, calling Mr. Klavan racist and political party pathetic.  You apparently hadn&#8217;t received/ accepted Teleprompter Guy&#8217;s &#8216;Hope&#8217; n &#8216;Change&#8217; mantra.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re small in every meaning imaginable..</p>
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		<title>By: JackT</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>JackT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you need to change book stores dude. I&#039;ve never seen anything like that. This post was written to fit your twisted, racist view of things. You Republicans are pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to change book stores dude. I&#8217;ve never seen anything like that. This post was written to fit your twisted, racist view of things. You Republicans are pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My children are Bi-racial.  My wife and I have had talks with them about what that means since they were old enough to notice that our family looks a bit different that other families.

My oldest refers to herself as Black.  She understands that to be Black in this country and be decedents of slaves means that you are mixed race by definition.  She looks at her grandfather, cousins and aunts on the Black side of her family and see people who are the same color as her eventhough they have two parents who are &quot;Black.&quot;  Her mother and I have taught her that she has the right to define herself.

My youngest calls herself Bi-racial.  This again is her choice.  She see her mom and wants to acknowledge her mother through her self chosen title. Again she has the right to define herself.

For the record, I thought I was going to be able to raise my kids as human.  The world&#039;s left, right, black, white and all shade of in between have not allowed me to do this.  Their identity was being questioned from day one at school and on the play ground.  To combat this we needed to help embrace their ethnicity and take pride in it.  Now race is not the issue for them.  They are far more concerned with body image as. 

I have problems with people who try to define me without first understanding me.  The inability to get to know a person is the root of all the &quot;-isms.&quot; Perhaps if we organized our bookshelves by how the authors define themselves as writters, then we might have less of a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My children are Bi-racial.  My wife and I have had talks with them about what that means since they were old enough to notice that our family looks a bit different that other families.</p>
<p>My oldest refers to herself as Black.  She understands that to be Black in this country and be decedents of slaves means that you are mixed race by definition.  She looks at her grandfather, cousins and aunts on the Black side of her family and see people who are the same color as her eventhough they have two parents who are &#8220;Black.&#8221;  Her mother and I have taught her that she has the right to define herself.</p>
<p>My youngest calls herself Bi-racial.  This again is her choice.  She see her mom and wants to acknowledge her mother through her self chosen title. Again she has the right to define herself.</p>
<p>For the record, I thought I was going to be able to raise my kids as human.  The world&#8217;s left, right, black, white and all shade of in between have not allowed me to do this.  Their identity was being questioned from day one at school and on the play ground.  To combat this we needed to help embrace their ethnicity and take pride in it.  Now race is not the issue for them.  They are far more concerned with body image as. </p>
<p>I have problems with people who try to define me without first understanding me.  The inability to get to know a person is the root of all the &#8220;-isms.&#8221; Perhaps if we organized our bookshelves by how the authors define themselves as writters, then we might have less of a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: MP</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1538</link>
		<dc:creator>MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klavan&#039;s experience reminds me of one of my own, years ago.  I was looking for a book called &quot;Mutiny on the Amistad&quot;, by Howard Jones.  Thoroughly searched the history section at a large Barnes and Noble, finally gave up, and asked an employee for help.  Yes it was in African American Studies, where I hadn&#039;t thought of looking.

Now personally, I think if I had been running the store, I would have had that in the history section.  Less confusing, at least to my way of thinking.  Still, I did not, and do not, see that as evidence of leftist racism.

Also, if you&#039;re having trouble finding a book in a store these days, many of them now have computer terminals around that will tell you whether it&#039;s in stock, and what section to find them in.  Not unlike a library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klavan&#8217;s experience reminds me of one of my own, years ago.  I was looking for a book called &#8220;Mutiny on the Amistad&#8221;, by Howard Jones.  Thoroughly searched the history section at a large Barnes and Noble, finally gave up, and asked an employee for help.  Yes it was in African American Studies, where I hadn&#8217;t thought of looking.</p>
<p>Now personally, I think if I had been running the store, I would have had that in the history section.  Less confusing, at least to my way of thinking.  Still, I did not, and do not, see that as evidence of leftist racism.</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;re having trouble finding a book in a store these days, many of them now have computer terminals around that will tell you whether it&#8217;s in stock, and what section to find them in.  Not unlike a library.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor of Muppets</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor of Muppets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who has ever read &quot;The Invisible Man&quot; would clearly understand that the narrative is an extended metaphor for what it means to be black in white society. Therefore, although it would make sense to file the book under fiction, it would also make equal sense to file it under African-American Literature. 

If your argument is that &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; books should ever be filed under &quot;African American Literature&quot;, you&#039;ve probably never been to a library.  Good luck trying to wade through thousands of stacks of books to find a certain category of works if the only classifications are &quot;fiction&quot; or &quot;non-fiction&quot;.  

I am, of course, assuming that people here actually go to libraries. Which is a rather huge assumption to make, considering that libararies are public institutions and therefore are Socialist/Marxist/Totalitatianist/Fascist/Sith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has ever read &#8220;The Invisible Man&#8221; would clearly understand that the narrative is an extended metaphor for what it means to be black in white society. Therefore, although it would make sense to file the book under fiction, it would also make equal sense to file it under African-American Literature. </p>
<p>If your argument is that <i>no</i> books should ever be filed under &#8220;African American Literature&#8221;, you&#8217;ve probably never been to a library.  Good luck trying to wade through thousands of stacks of books to find a certain category of works if the only classifications are &#8220;fiction&#8221; or &#8220;non-fiction&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I am, of course, assuming that people here actually go to libraries. Which is a rather huge assumption to make, considering that libararies are public institutions and therefore are Socialist/Marxist/Totalitatianist/Fascist/Sith.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleena</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 1950s, I remember that there was a rumor that a celebrity had a black ancestor.  To have any African American blood was a scandal; even a drop of African American blood made you black. I found this very distasteful; this was the heart of racism. Today, we have a president who has a white mother and black father. But he is black; the white part does not count.  This of course, is not racism.

Identity politcs whether practiced in bookstores or political campaigns is inherently racist.  I long for the day when we can all think of ourselves as Americans - to do otherwise is racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 1950s, I remember that there was a rumor that a celebrity had a black ancestor.  To have any African American blood was a scandal; even a drop of African American blood made you black. I found this very distasteful; this was the heart of racism. Today, we have a president who has a white mother and black father. But he is black; the white part does not count.  This of course, is not racism.</p>
<p>Identity politcs whether practiced in bookstores or political campaigns is inherently racist.  I long for the day when we can all think of ourselves as Americans &#8211; to do otherwise is racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom West</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1533</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidN, you mean separate sections for different types of books might be driven by the MARKET?  But thats... thats... *right* wing!

Noooooooooooo

Silly people.  You&#039;ll be happy to know that the left is up in arms about this as well, assuming it&#039;s a right wing conspiracy while the right is up in arms assuming it&#039;s a left-wing conspiracy.  Has all the makings of a mediocre comedy film.

Nobody has asked whether the *customers* might find it convenient.  And the answer is, the bookstores certainly think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidN, you mean separate sections for different types of books might be driven by the MARKET?  But thats&#8230; thats&#8230; *right* wing!</p>
<p>Noooooooooooo</p>
<p>Silly people.  You&#8217;ll be happy to know that the left is up in arms about this as well, assuming it&#8217;s a right wing conspiracy while the right is up in arms assuming it&#8217;s a left-wing conspiracy.  Has all the makings of a mediocre comedy film.</p>
<p>Nobody has asked whether the *customers* might find it convenient.  And the answer is, the bookstores certainly think so.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidN</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1532</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Midnight Special&#039;s gone, btw. I looked it up today. I guess I don&#039;t get over to Santa Monica as much as I used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midnight Special&#8217;s gone, btw. I looked it up today. I guess I don&#8217;t get over to Santa Monica as much as I used to.</p>
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		<title>By: Festum</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/04/10/bookstore-ghetto/#comment-1531</link>
		<dc:creator>Festum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pity you, America, for giving birth to these wretched offsprings here, or perhaps elsewhere, that further divide our beloved nation by means of political identity, or as recently put, by one&#039;s action of showing respect in foreign soil.

Hell, if THIS HERE, especially the arguments here, is is the best that America has to offer for our future, may God save our souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pity you, America, for giving birth to these wretched offsprings here, or perhaps elsewhere, that further divide our beloved nation by means of political identity, or as recently put, by one&#8217;s action of showing respect in foreign soil.</p>
<p>Hell, if THIS HERE, especially the arguments here, is is the best that America has to offer for our future, may God save our souls.</p>
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