252 Comments

1. Gary:

“Attack of the Leftist Hate Monkeys!” is an accurate assessment of the currrent leftist mentality nationwide and, of course, on the Letterman Show and MSNBC.

Your piece should be required reading before anyone graduates from high school, college, or university – or in the case of your cited e-mailers, nursery school.

My conversations have been polluted so often by them, I just categorize them as ‘droids’ now.

Jun 29, 2009 - 8:42 am 2. Tolbert:

Even Glenn Greenwald doesn’t know who Glenn Greenwald is, his mastery of sock-puppetry not withstanding.

Jun 29, 2009 - 8:54 am 3. Steve:

I always find it interesting that there are some on the left who accuse others of being homosexuals–indirectly claiming in their attacks that homosexuality is somehow wrong–while claiming a position on the left that is typically friendly to homosexuals. So, which is it? Bad or good? Or is it good, and just bad when hurled as an insult? You’re confusing me folks.

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:09 am 4. Instinct:

Now waiting for screams from the left about “freedom of speech” and “fascist censorship” in 3… 2… 1…

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:19 am 5. Cam Winston:

Great entry, I’d only quibble with one omission: all the name-calling, all the epithets, all the four-letter words, are done via a vehicle (anonymously, on the internet) by which the person acting in such a childish manner will suffer no consequences of said action (let’s face it, ANYONE who says to the face of someone else even remotely similare to that seen on many left-wing blog comments will get their faces punched; yes, violence is bad, but there are going to be repercussions to cursing someone out – FYI, to Glenn G: no, that doesn’t make someone a he-man tough guy, which is your calling in life. Then again, Glenn, you wouldn’t say a fraction of the stuff you write to the faces of the people you write about, would ya lil’ guy?).

The people who rush over to your blog via a click from the sock puppet’s site are more than willing to type disgusting things and then sneak away, because it gives their lives more meaning if your life means less (after all, you’re not a liberal!) and, more importantly, they CAN. Inwardly, they really think that calling you a name is on par with them literally saying it to your face, when in actuality that sort of thing relegates their opinion to be nothing but meaningless.

There are millions of people like that, Andrew. We all know what it takes in order to make it “big” on the lefty internet: be an over-the-top derriere and type in a manner that is as boorish and as crass as possible. The ‘reasonable’ opinion writers are in the newspapers (what’s left), but the lefty blogs aren’t happy with them (save Krugman) because they don’t express enough hatred. And make no mistake about it, that’s what this is all about: they hate people who don’t think like them.

What to do with them? Pearls before the swine….

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:19 am 6. Sandra:

Some friends and I encountered this tactic heavily recently. Some lefties at an image board were having adults role play with girls as young as 16 and 13 being naked in front of them and touching their breasts, and performing sexual acts in front of the girls to other women.

They also had an adult woman ask two fifteen year old girls for a lesbian threesome and had adults on the web site encourage the girls in the idea of it.

They did a whole lot of sick stuff, and when we called them on it they started a flurry of homophobe, closed-minded, flyover country and whatnot, and closed off their role playing boards which were public until that time to hide them from the police and the parents of one of the underage girls that was there.

You can see some of what was detailed at
http://carolinamaxwell.wordpress.com/
To this day it’s a sign of complete evil for us when someone uses the homophobe and closed-minded tags.

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:24 am 7. Andre:

Are you suggesting that being gay and being a “macho love machine” are mutually exclusive? I assure you, they’re not. But I get your point.

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:34 am 8. razman:

i jst read greenwald’s colim on you. it did make me wonder, what do you think of women in the military/combat? how does that fit in with your views on man/woman relationships. i hope you will comment on this. thanks

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:41 am 9. Tom:

I am always amazed how easily people (especially those in the self-described “reality-based community”) forget that anything you transmit/post on the internet is a) permanent, and b) NOT anonymous. It doesn’t take much effort for prospective hiring managers to check out someone’s behavior on the internet. The behavior of someone when they think no one’s looking tells you an awful lot about them as a potential employee.

The dynamic is probably similar to bad behavior behind the steering wheel. People forget that they’re not anonymous, with the car windshield/computer screen protecting them). The old constraints forced on people (i.e. an insult to someone’s face was likely to earn a challenge to a duel or at least a bloody nose) are now just enforced less directly. The unfortunate side-effect is that the guilty party, probably is never told that this was the reason for being dinged, so they don’t change thier behavior.

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:48 am 10. john:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/why-virginia-foxxs-non-apology-smear

First Rep. Virginia Foxx called Matthew Shepard’s murder a ‘hoax’. Then, she turned around and issued a non-apology apology:

I am especially sorry if his grieving family was offended by my statement. I was referring to a 2004 ABC News 20/20 report on Mr. Shepard’s death. ABC’s 20/20 report questioned the motivation of those responsible for his death. Referencing this media account may have been a mistake, but it was a mistake based on what I believed were reliable accounts.

But it wasn’t a reliable account — a fact that is obviously not well enough known, but still isn’t any kind of excuse for uttering that kind of smear. And that’s the problem. She spread a lie, a harmful, ugly lie, about Matt Shepard on the floor of the Congress, and she has never made plain to the public that it was a lie.

So you can’t really blame Judy Shepard, Matthew’s mother, for declining to accept: “She’s apologizing for semantics.”

Yesterday she tried again, and failed just as miserably to actually own up to the problem:

“In the heat of trying to handle the rule on the floor, anybody can use a bad choice of words. Saying that the event was a hoax was a poor choice of words,” Foxx said. “I’ve apologized for that. I never meant in any way to harm the family or offend the family or anybody else for that matter.”

“The term ‘hoax’ was a poor choice of words used in the discussion of the hate-crimes bill,” Foxx said in a statement. “Mr. Shepard’s death was nothing less than a tragedy, and those responsible for his death certainly deserved the punishment they received.”

As David Badash at the New Civil Rights Movement acutely observes:

Foxx’s newest “apology” demonstrates her lack of understanding of the basic issue confronting her: She lied about why Matthew Shepard was killed, and maligned the memory of a 21 year-old college student who, to the world, has become the face of a hate crime victim.

… One non-apology is bad, two demonstrates not only a lack of remorse or decency, but a total lack of understanding of the important and sensitive issues that confront our country.

You see, that ABC News report, by Elizabeth Vargas, was debunked at the time as a journalistic atrocity:

[T]he entire thrust of ABC’s “revelations” — that it was all a drug binge, not a hate crime — reveals how little the reporters who worked on this understand not just bias crimes but criminal law generally. One factor, such as drug use, does not cancel out another, such as a bias motive. They often in fact appear together and work in conjunction.

There’s an even more significant problem with the 20/20 report, however: It is signficantly factually flawed.

The flaw is not so much in what it reports, but what it intentionally omits.

…[T]he 20/20 report substantially omits evidence that was produced at the time establishing McKinney’s bias motivation. And indeed, McKinney not only did not deny the existence of this bias, he positively embraced it at trial by attempting a “gay panic” defense.

Incidentally, Fritzen was not the lead investigator in the case. That honor went to a fellow named Rob DeBree. And DeBree has significantly repudiated the “crystal meth” theory.

Here’s what he told Beth Loffreda, author of Losing Matt Shepard: Life and Politics in the Aftermath of an Anti-Gay Murder, regarding the attempt by McKinney’s defense team to paint him as being under the influence of crystal meth:

Rob DeBree too was unimpressed by the argument — he told me quite forcefully that the murder didn’t look like any meth crime he knew.

In his confession to DeBree, McKinney had denied using meth the day of the murder, and while McKinney had been arrested too late for the police to confirm this through blood testing, DeBree felt certain that for once he had told the truth. Obviously it’s unsurprising that the lead investigator would disagree with the defense, but DeBree had some compelling reasons on his side. “There’s no way” it was a meth crime, DeBree argued, still passionate about the issue when I met him nearly six months after the trial had ended. No evidence of recent drug use was “found in the search of their residences. There was no evidence in the truck. From everything we were able to investigate, the last time they would have done meth would have been up to two to three weeks previous to that night. What the defense attempted to do was a bluff.” …

There are other serious problems with the report. It omits the fact that McKinney has now changed his story at least three times, and probably more, raising serious doubts about his credibility anyway. It also omits the fact that other detectives in the case testified at trial that the victim was selected for violence, and was beaten especially severely, because he was gay. Their testimony was based on their actual conversations with McKinney and Henderson.

And the piece’s later attempts to defend McKinney by tainting Shepard’s reputation (claiming he also was a crystal-meth user) should be beneath even the lowliest cops-and-courts reporter, let alone a national news organization. Even if true, whatever Shepard’s habits, he did not deserve to die for them.

Nonetheless, as Foxx’s remarks suggest — and as posts from the right-wing blogosphere amply demonstrate — the belief that the 20/20 report was anything remotely accurate or even a worthwhile piece of journalism has lingered as conventional wisdom on the right. As I recently noted, even Andrew Sullivan and Andrew Breitbart have been known to cough that hairball up in our laps too

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:27 am 11. winc:

This is a beautiful summary of what’s wrong with these kind of attacks. If the people who are making them are trying to reach anyone and possibly change some minds, they are failing miserably. I automatically tune them out.

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:45 am 12. jc5cents:

I lost my job because I dared to stand up to my boss whom was constantly forcing the 9/11 conspiracy diatribe down everyone’s throat. I approached the situation with tact and diplomacy and he proceeded to raise his voice and beat the table in such a way as to announce to everyone that I was being scolded. It does not make me an expert but my undergrad was in Political Science, as a result I have an understanding of the mechanisms that were at play in 2001. As a matter of fact, I was in school when it happened so almost every class had a commentary on the terrorist attack. I was summarily let go a couple of weeks later with no explanation as to why. It was probably a violation of my rights but, reality forced me to let it go. Just like you Mr. Klavan I felt as though I had done something wrong and have since reconciled my guilt with reality. As a result of this I went back to school to get my MBA and put myself in a position such that even if someone like this crosses my path in the future my value to the organization I am with will be too high to consider just letting me go without reason as to why.

Jun 29, 2009 - 11:01 am 13. N. O'Brain:

If it’s Glen Greenwald, you might want to check the IP addresses of some of your “commentators”.

Gleens is a notorious sock-puppeteer, and has been know to publish multiple comments under fake names.

Jun 29, 2009 - 11:57 am 14. Alan F.:

When have monkeys, winged or otherwise endowed, not resorted to flinging poo?

Jun 29, 2009 - 12:25 pm 15. Ammy:

I have never read you before, but think I love you. What an intelligent, reasonable approach. The left can’t win an argument on reason so they stoop to mudslinging – lots of it. I will definitely check back.

Jun 29, 2009 - 12:48 pm 16. Glenn Kenny:

Nice fake-out Mr. Klavan; you can’t be bothered to engage Greenwald’s argument (which, I admit, is pretty pro-forma); instead you pretend you’ve never heard of him, and when describing the monkey hate attack that left you so bemused, you can’t, again, be bothered to engage whatever it might have been that had got them so exercised.

I read the column that Greenwald commented on, and, to be honest, I don’t know why HE bothered, it’s so vaporous. And by the way, A.O. Scott is of larger physical stature than you think. But why do you call him a “silly little man” without taking any real exception to his own arguments? Is the mere fact that he writes for the Times sufficient to make him silly in your eyes?

There’s no actual debate coming from either side here. Zero. And you don’t want one; you just wanna stir up your own amen corner. It’s a little sad.

By the way, I do believe you when you claim that your wife wakes up singing every morning. The question is, “WHAT is she singing?” I hope, for your sake, that it’s not “The Ballad of Lucy Jordan.” (Cue Klavan: “A song I’ve never heard of.” Actually, I’d believe that.)

Jun 29, 2009 - 12:53 pm 17. Jake Was Here:

Cam Winston: all the name-calling, all the epithets, all the four-letter words, are done via a vehicle (anonymously, on the internet) by which the person acting in such a childish manner will suffer no consequences of said action

In geek circles this is known as the GIFT (Greater Internet F___wad Theory): Normal person + Anonymity + Audience + Freedom from consequences = Total f___wad.

Jun 29, 2009 - 12:57 pm 18. Seamus:

As a Libertarian, I often find myself standing apart from the Conservative/Leftist opposition and recognizing that, really, you’re both as bad as each other. That you’re both equally convinced that it’s THEM who are ones full of bile and slander reflects your similarities rather than your differences.

“You’re a racist, you’re a sexist, you’re homophobe, you’re a fascist.” Yeah, liberals often resort to these labels in place of an argument, don’t they? But I’ve never encountered more mindless labelling than when I was told by a bunch of Rudy-loving frat boy young Repubs that my Ron Paul support was “unpatriotic, un-American, tin foil-hat-wearing insanity,” and that’s before even I get to the familiar blasts of “traior” and “Quisling” that those same kind of Repub automatons level at (misguided but not treacherous) liberals, especially those of an anti-war persuasion.

Just go to townhall or any Repub/Conservative website and watch the venom drip from the page. A place of reasoned discussion? No; a forum for seething rage at THEM, the ones who want to destroy us, the terrorist-lovers, the commie infiltrators, the ENEMY.

You probably don’t see it, just like the liberals only see `justice` and `fairness` in their own spiteful diatribes.

A bunch of squabbling kids shouting at each other from across the playground, totally devoid of self-awareness.

`Hate monkeys`, indeed.

Jun 29, 2009 - 12:59 pm 19. D'oh!:

Wow, a Glenn Greenwald sock-puppet named Glenn(!) comes in to scold Mr. Klaven right after someone warns him that Glenn Greenwald likes to post “multiple comments under fake names”. Things that make you go hmm…

Jun 29, 2009 - 1:29 pm 20. bahiabob:

The fantasty world of the left is made up of stuff that doesn’t begin to resemble reality and that IS disturbing. Makes me think liberalism it is a form of mental disease. Also did you ever notice that even ‘gays’ finally resort to calling opponents of all sexual persuasions ‘gay’, ‘fag’ or worst euphemisms for homosexuality aa a term of derision? Weird…. Must be a self loathing complex or something.

Jun 29, 2009 - 1:46 pm 21. Glenn Kenny:

Not to be a hate monkey or anything, but man: you are not very bright at all, D’oh!

Jun 29, 2009 - 1:54 pm 22. Individualist:

Klavin, If I may I’d like to share this with you. I was at a ChickFilA for lunch and someone was chiding the manager there about telling on him to Joe PAterno. I made the casual joke about Jopa to a Penn State fan is like the Pope to a Catholic. The guy tells me that the Pope was in trouble for not recognizing people died in the Holocaust. I said “I do not believe that”. He then got nasty and snide insisting the Pope was a Holocaust denyier. Offended when I got my meal I walked away stating “That sounds like political BS to me”. The starts chanting no and upon seeing I walked off starts lecturing the poor manager who is trapped. As a catholic the event so offended me. Upon googling I found out that the Pope had said “millions of Jews had died in the Holocaust” and was corrected by some Jewish person that it was six million. They are beginning to act this way face to face and not just online. This is what I find so disturbing.

Jun 29, 2009 - 2:50 pm 23. Gaffe Prices:

Lord knows those on the Left have a monkey on their back, and that monkey has got their back.

Jun 29, 2009 - 6:48 pm 24. ladykrystyna:

The best thing to do is this: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

It’s hard to do; it’s hard for me to do. But you have to or you will find yourself banging your head against the wall. If you don’t respond to them, eventually they go away. Sure, they’ll pop up from time to time, throwing in one-liners and offering nonsensical statements that usually have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

IGNORE THEM, please. And then they will eventually go away.

As for SEAMUS: Actually, I frequent Townhall and many other conservative sites and frankly I always find that the conservative commenters start off thoughtful and on point with the article in question. Then a liberal will come in and make some stupid statement that has nothing to do with the article, or is just an ad hominem attack on the author of the article or fans of the author, and then it will start. Sure, things do get heated but that’s because they don’t obey the Internet Golden Rule – DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!

Any time I’m on a more liberal website, they are rarely thoughtful. They always start out blaming everything on Bush/Conservatives/Republicans/Christians, then they proceed to masturbate about how great Obama is and completely ignore any and all facts offered to show that maybe he’s not so great after all. And these facts are almost always, just that – FACTS. Not ad hominem attacks. FACTS. And they always get the same response – just like Andrew said “Attack of the Leftist Hate Monkeys!”.

As for Liberatarians – I happen to agree with many things that Liberatarians proffer. However, I did think Ron Paul was a little strange at times and a little too “isolationist” for my taste on foreign affairs.

And no, I’m not a Republican Hack either. I am “Decline to State” and will remain that way, although I obviously identify as “conservative/liberatarian” more than anything else.

So I hate to say it, Seamus, but like many other liberatarians I have encountered, you are just as self-righteous as you think liberals and conservatives are.

Cheers.

Jun 29, 2009 - 9:47 pm 25. Delia:

It got weird didn’t it? It went from people sharing personal stories and perhaps wee critiques to full on hate rants.

You *DID* garner a lot of ‘action’ though for PJM though. lol

I was enjoying the semi-intimate ‘truth-telling’ and then ‘BAM’, all the sudden it got ugly.

Maybe that was party my fault? If so, I apologize with all my heart.

Keep smilin’,

Delia

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:42 pm 26. Delia:

party? grr. PARTLY

I can type. Uh huh.

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:43 pm 27. Delia:

“So that’s it. If I interest you, provoke you, anger you, delight you, I’m thrilled you’re here.”

Hence my crush on you. By ‘crush’ I mean admiration, a slight heart palp and nothing more.

Just to clarify. lol.

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:46 pm 28. Delia:

P.S. Andy, ‘new positions’ keep the ’sexy’ alive.

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:48 pm 29. Delia:

“If I interest you, provoke you, anger you, delight you, I’m thrilled you’re here.”

BIGGEST turn on EVER. *fans self and sighs*

SOLD.

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:50 pm 30. Delia:

You really got angry, Mister Man. Did you re-think your post? Distractions are for pussies. You’re never going to be a whimpy whimperson right?

Marco

Polo

?

Jun 29, 2009 - 10:56 pm 31. Delia:

Macho man, I dare you to email me.

In fact.

I double

No

TRIPLE dog dare ya

DO IT

Jun 29, 2009 - 11:02 pm 32. Pajamas Media » Attack of the Leftist Hate Monkeys:

[...] Read the entire piece here. [...]

Jun 29, 2009 - 11:21 pm 33. Strawman:

Not to be a hate monkey or anything, but man: you are not very bright at all, D’oh!

A comment that banal can only mean one thing…

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:48 am 34. "progressive"watch:

Beware the heterophobe,
He will break your words and bend your earlobe.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:18 am 35. ProudConservative:

A very interesting piece, and while I have managed to have civil discussions with liberals in the past. Your fantasy analogy is a good one. It is like a gate between two dimensions. Evan Sayet has an excellent video from a speech at the Heritage Foundation on how Modern Liberals think that I reccommend all Conservatives or even Moderates look at it. It really does explain how, the elites of the Democratic party create their own fantasy land.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:23 am 36. David S:

I love it. Finally something I can agree with from Klavan.

Of course, I can’t recall the epithet “gay” being used by any people I know on the left – but that’s beside the point. I’m glad someone at PJM is willing to set the bar slightly higher than it has been.

Most of the ad hominem attacks I see on PJM are not coming from leftists, so it will be interesting to watch how this policy plays out.

Peace.

DS

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:42 am 37. sheesh:

This article is like church . . . posters will file in appropriately civil . . . “Oh, hello, Miss McGillicutty . . . . As are you, Sarah . . . That bass was 5 pounds if it was an ounce.”

For this brief blog you’ll rein in your baser nature as you squint past the hangover from Saturday night. You’ll praise the lord and quietly tsk tsk the non-believers. “Hate the sin, love the sinner.”

But in the end you will be you. It’s unavoidable. Whether you “out” yourself on this particular thread or others is the only question. Some liberal will opine something and you will offer up your “screeching venomous diatribes and personal attacks.” This entire site is one giant example of that.

This Klavan character is nothing more than a cassette tape, a mouthpiece for the tired old technique of accusing your enemy of doing the very same things you do. Don’t take my word for it, you will prove it for me. If not here and now, in church, then soon, very soon, in the parking lot.

How do I know? Because that’s what you turds . . . er, uh . . . conservatives do.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:52 am 38. Time Dalkat:

This piece has no facts in it. It’s a wankfest for leftist haters. It’s just one long piece of self righteous “I just throw out ideas and they just start proving they don’t get it, like the monkeys they are.” A leftist could have submitted the same piece against the right. I like conservatives, and when we all wake up to the major dupe of one party politics maybe we can stop the name calling and get down to business.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:09 am 39. EdSki:

#37 proves your point to a “T” Mr. Klavan. Their goal is not to debate, but the exact opposite, to prevent debate.

Modern liberalism is emotion devoid of fact. Logic, reason and facts demolish it every time. Which is why it must be stamped out by them. I’m dealing with my own modern liberal wing nuts at the moment who are scouring middle school bathrooms as I type, looking for new insults to hurl at me because I pointed out it’s a fallacy to cite former President Bush as an example of a politician illegally holding power.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:15 am 40. Sebastian Shaw:

The best way to get a Letfist on the defensive is to approach it with logic: Ask the questions. Why have you come to these conclusions? Where did you get your facts? What does a personal attack have to do with the original idea? Eventually, the Leftist will make himself so angry that he cannot answer the questions without more attacks until he just walks off in the middle of the “debate.” For example, the Leftist might assume you’re a homophobe, racist, sexist atc al if you’re a Conservative. Ask him WHY? Go from there. Then eventually find the REAL point of his argument for him & turn it on himself.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:20 am 41. scythe:

Hilarious and true! We all need to adopt your attitude. When the attacks begin perhaps the one attacked should simply say: I’m sorry. I thought we were having a discussion about facts. You want to get personal? Let’s start with your ugly shoes. We are losing our country and our sanity because of the pathological/emotional disturbances of a very large mouthed bellicose segment. If we don’t put a stop to it soon, we’ll all need to be taking their meds.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:21 am 42. Delia:

37. sheesh:

“Oh, hello, Miss McGillicutty”

You’re a ‘Lucy’ fan too? GAWWWWWWWWWWWW. I knew there was a reason I loved you! *MUAH*!

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:34 am 43. sheesh:

39, 40, 41 . . . first, the assertion . . .

“the tired old technique of accusing your enemy of doing the very same things you do”

And now the proof . . .

34. Gary Ogletree: . . . “Pat J: Go suck teabags with Anderson Cooper and Chris Matthews.”

10. hangnail: . . . “What do you expect from a crypto-communistic, pinko, toilet licking, democratic, son of bitch!”

39. Ms. Attitude: . . . “Clinton’s little stain wasn’t a big deal…well, have you seen his wife?”

There are dozens and dozens and dozens, wait, make that hundreds of these examples floating around here. I’m sure there are hundreds more to come.

Any questions?

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:46 am 44. joecr:

Studies have shown that demeaning someone or something falsely – even when we know they are false – still negatively influences our perception. Allowing the organized negative attacks means they win. The program of attacks by Obama’s student revolutionaries is psychological warfare. Conservative websites should screen these out.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:50 am 45. Tina Trent:

If “you’re revealed to be nothing but a seething tar pit of rage and vileness, stick with Greenwald. I’m sure he’ll make you feel right at home.” Yes, he will. Until you dare to counter one of his arguments in the comments, and then he not only lashes out with fury that someone would deign to disagree with him, a-professor-of-constitutional-law, but he actually wades into his threads and encourages his acolytes to lash back at dissenters, too.

I’ve seen nothing like it, at least since outgrowing junior high school and growing bored with the predictability of Orwell. The less amusing part is how such policing and loyalty checks take the place of actual debate.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:53 am 46. BettyBlue:

And, of course, right on cue, Sheesh and Glen Kenny show up, just to make Klavan’s point for him.

Do not feed the flying hate monkeys.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:08 am 47. Mr Lucky:

37. sheesh.

Where did you learn about church life?

There does seem to be a thread of the doctrine of original sin in your post. As in “…the tired old technique of accusing your enemy of doing the very same things you do.” We are all sinners, correct? Or, is it that no objective moral values exist, therefore one can create their own moral universe, and then condemn their enemies as being morally deficient because they do not conform. Is there something contradictory here?

Klavan is just having some fun at the expense of some people’s (and his own) personal quirks. Satire? And, at the risk of being preachy, have a beer or two, relax, and by all means flush those turds in your toilet that you are studying so closely.

After all, they’re only turds.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:13 am 48. Delia:

Mr. Satire? Ringy, ringy, ringy?

I’m mad at Mr. Satire. Mad, I tell ya! I wanted to punch him in the nose, pull his lower lip over his eyeballs and grab his nether regions until his veins popped outta his head.

I feel jipped! [no offense meant to 'gypsies']

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:20 am 49. Michael:

Sheesh and David S, thanks. I was begining to think we might be on the wrong track but now that you have contributed I feel much better.

Just remember we can go to these sites and see for ourselves. Please don’t make silly pronouncements that are so easy to vet. There just isn’t any sport in it.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:21 am 50. Delia:

Betty Blue [Butler, sorry...couldn't resist, I love GWTW], flying monkeys happen because this website allows them to happen.

But, that being said…

This would be a dull website without the trolls.

Yeah. I said it. *slaps self silly*

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:22 am 51. Delia:

Mr. Klavin is a famous author. He’s going to get his fair share of whack-a-doodles.

Hmm.

I hope I’m not one of ‘those. lol

Great. I think I just skeeved myself out over MYSELF.

LOVELY.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:25 am 52. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Geez, Glavin, “flying hate monkeys”? A class act would just say “thanks for the traffic” and let it go at that.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:27 am 53. Delia:

52. Blarty Blarckleblart:

“Geez, Glavin, “flying hate monkeys”? A class act would just say “thanks for the traffic” and let it go at that.”

Blarty, I agree with ya on that. ‘Traffic’ bad or good is akin to ‘exposure’ in the sense that there is no such thing as ‘bad publicity’. We are all culprits in propelling someone’s ‘fame’ or even ‘infamy’.

Guilty as charged. Ready for mug-shot.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:32 am 54. The Shadow:

This a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:32 am 55. johnt:

It’s a tough time for leftists, the Gitmo thing, the previously unimagined deficits,[after all we heard about the Bush deficits], the prospects of tax increases, the false promises on the economy, note unemployment, etc.
To congratulate yourself for eight years on being a part of the Reality Based Community and then have it all explode in your hate filled face is tough to take.
I think some of these poor dopes are starting to suspect they were had, big time, by the same media that’s doing it’s best to cover for this trash in the White House. It’s not easy to realize you were led around like a dumb child, it makes the hate only worse.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:37 am 56. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Also, no hat tip for Jon Stewart for the “flying monkeys” thing? He’s been using that for years.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:38 am 57. Delia:

56. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Also, no hat tip for Jon Stewart for the “flying monkeys” thing? He’s been using that for years.

Blarty, that ‘analogy’ has been played to death by MANY authors. C’mon, reach harder.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:49 am 58. Strawman:

“Geez, Glavin, “flying hate monkeys”? A class act would just say “thanks for the traffic” and let it go at that.”

‘Cept they’re all coming from one IP address.

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:10 am 59. Blarty Blarckleblart:

‘Cept they’re all coming from one IP address.

That doesn’t seem to be what Mr. Glavin thinks, and it’s his site.

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:14 am 60. Pat J:

We liberals have hair. HA!

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:29 am 61. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Andrew Klavan
RE: Dealing With the Mad Monkeys

But cursing, strangled cries of hate-filled rage, disturbing personal attacks that reveal more about the attacker’s sick mind than we want to know—they’re gone. — Andrew Klavan

May I suggest an alternative measure? One that I think would be both amusing and educational.

I suggest building a special place on your blog. Call it a ‘zoo’ or a ‘monkey pen’. A place dedicated to the display of the shrill, maniacal ravings of the ‘rabid’—think I Am Legend—attack-crazed ‘monkeys’.

When you, as blogmeister, discover one such comment, you have a button on your system that will (1) move the comment to this ’special area’, this ‘zoo’, (2) provide a link to the comment so that other guests can go there and see the nature of the ‘beast’, if they are of a mind to and, optionally, (3) automatically move all other comments from said source to the ‘zoo’ until such time as you remove the constraint, as you would.

In such a manner, they cannot complain that you kicked/banned/killed them. You maintain the ability to truthfully state all comers are welcome to post on your blog. And others can see what sort of miscreants these people are, should they desire to visit their filthy lair.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. -- Thomas Paine]

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:35 am 62. razman:

this cite can get so tiresome. its just people calling names no matter what issue is raised by klavan. does anyone have any thoughts on women in the military/combat, or being in charge in industry etc., and how that fits with klavan’s essay on gender relationships in american society? i thought was the one good point raised by greenwald.

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:40 am 63. seguin:

“skewering babies to watch them writhe and die”

Well, I guess the lefties will like you for at least one thing.

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:40 am 64. Blarty Blarckleblart:

its just people calling names no matter what issue is raised by klavan.

I agree. The name-calling gets very tiresome when there are serious points to be addressed.

Now let’s discuss the serious, non-name-calling points that Mr. Glavin raises in this post, “Attack of the Flying Hate Monkeys!”

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:43 am 65. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Woops – “Leftist Hate Monkeys!”

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:43 am 66. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

We liberals have hair.

Well, not exactly…

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1408/577393093_dfcb943e3d.jpg?v=0

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:09 am 67. newton:

“Studies have shown that demeaning someone or something falsely – even when we know they are false – still negatively influences our perception. Allowing the organized negative attacks means they win. The program of attacks by Obama’s student revolutionaries is psychological warfare. Conservative websites should screen these out.”

There is another name for those “flying monkeys”: cyber-stalkers. At one time, when a bunch of people were trying to bring down my site with a DNS attack, I looked into their IP addresses and blocked them. Cold. They kept trying for a few more days until they gave up.

Ignoring them will not drive them away. You have to block them from entering your territory. A site is your space. Someone who invades your space in the same way as a schizo has to know where the boundaries are. You show it to them! Eventually, with your foot firmly on the ground, they will leave you alone. But not without trying to make a mess out of your site. And trust me, they will.

Give it enough time and this will translate into mobs on our streets. If we don’t stop them NOW, they will continue to think that we are weak, and they will attempt some things against you that you couldn’t even imagine.

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:17 am 68. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Give it enough time and this will translate into mobs on our streets. If we don’t stop them NOW, they will continue to think that we are weak, and they will attempt some things against you that you couldn’t even imagine.

Hey! How did you infiltrate our last meeting?

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:23 am 69. Blarty Blarckleblart:

But seriously, folks. Enough with all the name-calling. Let’s get down to business.

What are we going to do about all the Leftist Hate Monkeys?

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:24 am 70. Aureliano:

What are we going to do about all the Leftist Hate Monkeys?

Nominate them to the Supreme Court.

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:34 am 71. Moogie:

#35 Proud Conservative: I’ll do ya one better. I’ll provide the link to Evan’s speech (which I think is stunning in its clarity) along with a link to the History of Political Correctness – which will clue everyone in on the reason behind the vitriol (besides Klavan’s paranoid schizophrenia example, which I also find to be stunningly clear).

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:35 am 72. newton:

Andrew,

I know you’re trying to be civil and all that. I admire that. But bullies and psychos don’t give a rat about “civil”. They attack and insult, without any regards to who gets hurt. One has to look at what happens every time a conservative speaks on a college campus to figure that out.

We’re going to have to take a stand someday, and a firm one. We’re not talking about Debate Club here. We’re talking about people who will not be afraid to attack you in any other forum if given the opportunity.

If you won’t take your foot and stomp, the cockroaches are going to continue invading your kitchen. If the cyber-bullies and sock puppets return, stomp them and block them out – cold! Only when you tell them that you know their game and you’re going to block them, they will go away.

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:36 am 73. Blarty Blarckleblart:

newton is right. Censorship is the only way to ensure that everyone recognizes the rectitude of your orthodoxy.

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:44 am 74. paul_unalaska:

I looked at the 1st 40 comments only and chuckled to myself.

-DavidS put out the ‘I can’t recall the epithet “gay” being used by any people I know on the left’ -read why the leftist leaning black and hispanic population of L.A. County voted the way they had regarding CA’s same sex marriage ballot my amnesia-like buddy. You’ll see/ hear PLENTY of ‘gay’ comments. It’s funny to read your prudish, ill-thought out comments, David. It’s like George Costanza said, ‘It isn’t a lie if you believe it’..

-And Sheesh referred to Conservatives as ‘turds’.

Yeah – Mr. Klavan’s comments hold ‘No relevance’.

Listen to the grotesque Air America (that is if there still around) for some real ’savory’ in-depth discussion. Atrocious..

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:04 am 75. Blarty Blarckleblart:

-And Sheesh referred to Conservatives as ‘turds’.

If you pay a little more you can get a pearl necklace that is “knotted” – that is, has tiny knots in between each pearl. This is useful to keep the pearls from falling all over the floor if the string breaks while you’re clutching them to your chest.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:08 am 76. newton:

73. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Your kind have been censoring us for so long, it is history already.

I would not be surprised at all if I have to deal with you online someday. One thing is to discuss issues. Another is to throw trash and who knows what else into another person’s porch just because you don’t like him. Someday the person whose house you’re trashing is going to show up with his rifle and say “Get off my lawn!” to your face. And mean it.

And if you show up throwing everything but the kitchen sink at my online “porch”, I will show up at said porch with my rifle someday and take my stand. I think Conservatives should do the same.

That is not “censorship”. That’s defending your turf.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:12 am 77. Aureliano:

Censorship is the only way to ensure that everyone recognizes the rectitude of your orthodoxy.

Just ask your average college administrator.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:13 am 78. Aureliano:

If you pay a little more you can get a pearl necklace. This is useful to keep the pearls from falling all over the floor ….

I don’t pay for anything — that’s what other people are for.

Will you oblige? (One way or another?*)

*Metaphorically speaking (of course) ….

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:20 am 79. karlinsync:

Very well stated. When I read you viewpoint a light went off! See I am not enraged by how the new leadership votes in Congress it’s the RUSH to vote without debate, reason and reflection. The Stimulus Bill, and the Cap and Trade Bill are so critical for future generations that it demands a common sense for all sides. These leaders care nothing for the consequences just pass it. It is a disgusting display of failure to lead with respect.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:21 am 80. sheesh:

Here’s a worthy test for ya all, one that I’m proud and thrilled to put forth . . .

Senator Al Franken

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:37 am 81. Cindy Sue Causey:

Your ideas and observations are met with screeching venomous diatribes

Been there, done that, think the email exchange may still be around.. I told them in no uncertain terms to back off, or they would find themselves exposed unabashedly at the center of a very public lawsuit concerning their committing a hate crime.. Seriously.

As to the attacks of calling others homosexual and such through the use of very derogatory, hate-inducing appellations, um, yeah.. A demographic that purports tolerance openly spews an unbelievable amount of highly discriminatory language around, a significant percentage of it being disability-based..

“Censorslist” political boards, for example, were horribly crammed full of such language back the months leading up to Election 2008.. This sec, my inbox shows the first yawnings that Election 2010 is already gearing up in some people’s Minds so here we go again.. Can we say… ScreenGrab..?

Warmest from Talking Rock..

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:40 am 82. A.T. Weber:

Just finished reading “I can’t believe I’m Sitting Next to a Republican”–a hilarious first hand expose of dealing with the left.–highly recommended reading and almost verbatim descriptions of their tactics.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:41 am 83. sheesh:

Test #2 . . . from AP

That little devil . . .

“South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Tuesday that he saw his Argentine mistress more times than previously disclosed, including what was to be a farewell meeting in New York chaperoned by a spiritual adviser soon after his wife found out about the affair.”

Thank god he was chaperoned by his spiritual advisor.

But wait, there’s more . . .

“He says that during the other encounters (with other women) he “let his guard down” with some physical contact but “didn’t cross the sex line.” He wouldn’t go into detail.”

He did not. have. sexual relations. with those women . . .

Conservatives are roaring back with family values in their pocket and god on their side . . . as special chaperone! You folks can’t lose come 2010. Well done!

Now, be nice.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:43 am 84. A.T. Weber:

Warning Will Robinson Deranged Kos Kids(or is that an unnecessary descriptor?) have apparently escaped and infiltrated this venerable blog site in an obstreperous attempt at gadfly ism. These creatures are only to be pitied and avoided at all costs. I however choose to reply in the following manner.—-Bwahhahahhahaahahaaha–bronx cheer!

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:56 am 85. jw:

(1) Murder is a crime, and murderers do not usually love their victims. The Matthew Shepard case is being used to attack freedom of speech. Whether his murderers loved, loathed, or hated him is irrelevant to judging their crime.
Hate is not a crime: As Tom Lehrer said, “I hate anyone who does not love his fellow man!”
(2) Homosexuality is a mental disorder, perhaps a means of nature to control population size. The American Psychiatric Society was bullied into removing it from the list of psychiatric disorders by homosexual bullies at a convention of theirs.
That it is a mental disorder does not mean, of course, that it should be a crime or thought to be immoral (with consenting adults), but it is no help to these unfortunates to pretend that it is normal behavior.
Homosexual acts are sometimes used by men to establish dominance and to punish.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:02 am 86. BettyBlue:

A.T. Weber, this is my reply to them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJbjJetU_1k&feature=related

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:04 am 87. A.T. Weber:

well done BettyBlue!

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:17 am 88. Scott:

Ummm I wouldn’t consider requiring semi-civil behavior when posting exactly censorship. Then again we know that most Liberals despise having to meet standards of any kind…unless of course they involve racial quotas for “protected groups”.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:28 am 89. CJ:

83. sheesh:

Test #2 . . . from AP

That little devil . . .

“South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Tuesday that he saw his Argentine mistress more times than previously disclosed, including what was to be a farewell meeting in New York chaperoned by a spiritual adviser soon after his wife found out about the affair.”

Thank god he was chaperoned by his spiritual advisor.

But wait, there’s more . . .

“He says that during the other encounters (with other women) he “let his guard down” with some physical contact but “didn’t cross the sex line.” He wouldn’t go into detail.”

He did not. have. sexual relations. with those women . . .

Conservatives are roaring back with family values in their pocket and god on their side . . . as special chaperone! You folks can’t lose come 2010. Well done!

Now, be nice.

Jun 30, 2009 – 10:43 am

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You have to “love” Liberal logic. Since Sanford has turned out to be a sleeze ball, Liberals love to claim that all of us Conservatives and Republicans are like Sanford.

Using this Liberal’s logic then all Liberals are like…

1) Ted Kennedy and they will leave their girlfriend to drown out of cowardness.

2) John Edwards and have sex with their mistress while their wife is dying of cancer.

3) John Edwards and deny that they are the father of the child he concived with the mistress.

4) Barney Frank and run a homosexual prostitution ring from his home.

5) Bill Clinton and cheat on HIllary Clinton and lie to the whole country about it when caught.

Shall I continue Liberal? Oh don’t worry, I know you Liberals do not hold your politicians to high moral standards since you, your ideology, your party has no family values, no moral standards. Anything goes with you people.

the difference between the Democratic party and Republican party is that when Republicans are caught being sleeze balls…they have no political future in the Republican party. When Democrats are caught being sleeze balls their future just opened up and their best days with the Democratic party is just ahead of them.

Let us not forget that Nanci Pelosi gave a leadership position to the Democratic thief that was caught with $90,000 in his freezer.

Democrats have no moral standards, no family values.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:35 am 90. Delia:

86. BettyBlue,

LOL! AWESOME.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:47 am 91. Mike W.:

jw:(1) Murder is a crime, and murderers do not usually love their victims. The Matthew Shepard case is being used to attack freedom of speech. Whether his murderers loved, loathed, or hated him is irrelevant to judging their crime.

Apparently someone did not go to law school but still somehow believes he has something valuable to add. Intent is very relevent to judging a crime, and the degree to which the suspect harbored feelings of hatred toward the victim can clearly be used as evidence that the murder was premeditated and carried out with malice.

I’d love to hear your explanation regarding how hate crime legislation takes away from your freedom of speech. I’m sure it will be very good for a laugh.

“(2)Homosexuality is a mental disorder, perhaps a means of nature to control population size. The American Psychiatric Society was bullied into removing it from the list of psychiatric disorders by homosexual bullies at a convention of theirs.”

Apparently someone flunked biology but still somehow believes he has something valuable to add.

Homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom. Nearly every species of mammal shows inclinations towards homosexuality.

Please explain to me how a manatee or a giraffe or a dog or any other creature could develop this mental disorder you speak of that would lead to them being gay. I’m sure it will be very good for a laugh.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:01 pm 92. Delia:

Andy, you forgot the ’sock puppets’. Don’t exclude the sockies or you’ll be called a racist. lol

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:04 pm 93. Delia:

91. Mike W.:

“Homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom. Nearly every species of mammal shows inclinations towards homosexuality.”

This usually happens when a male of said species does not have a female companion or loses a ‘fight’ for said female to another alpha male.

Just look at inmates in jail who turn ‘gay’ but then go back to hetero afterwards and pretend ‘it’ never happened.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:08 pm 94. sheesh:

CJ . . . CJ, CJ, CJ . . .

“Shall I continue Liberal? Oh don’t worry, I know you Liberals do not hold your politicians to high moral standards since you, your ideology, your party has no family values, no moral standards. Anything goes with you people.”

Newt Gingrich telling his wife he was divorcing her while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer . . .Newt’s now the intellectual champion of the Republican party.

David Vitter has a habit of getting diapered by Bourbon Street hookers . . . still a senator.

John Ensign gets caught with his hand in the nookie jar . . . still a senator.

Larry Craig gets caught cruising for anonymous gay sex in an airport bathroom . . . serves out his term.

Eliot Spitzer . . . resigns.

James McGreevey admits gay affair . . . resigns.

and then there’s Rush.

Now, you were saying?

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:16 pm 95. sheesh:

Senator Al Franken . . . 60 . . . sixty . . . the big 6-0 . . . one more than 59 . . . sit down, Boehner (here’s a tissue, now quit snivelling) . . . and then there’s Sanford “not crossing the line” (the new favorite catch phrase . . . “Tell us, Governor Sanford, what does “not crossing the line mean? . . . is 3rd base crossing the line? . . . “Where did this line-not-crossing occur? And with whom? Was you spiritual advisor chaperoning your not line crossing?)

Oh, what a wacky day. It’s wacky, isn’t it? Wacky, I tell ya. Wacky.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:35 pm 96. CJ:

Sheesh,

Are you for real?

Do you honestly believe that Ensign or Sanford have a future left in the REpublican party? They’ll serve their term and they are done.

and then there is Rush? Since when is Rush an elected official? Since when?

Larry Craig has been shun by the whole Republican party and he was asked by Republican leaders to resign, he chose on his own to not do so. Do you believe he will be re-elected term after term like Ted Kennedy, like Barney Frank? what do you think? Or like the New Orleans Congressman caught with $90,000 in his freezer?

but leave it to you to equate Rush to elected officials. No wonder you are a Liberal.

and at least Newt had the decency to divorce his wife, Edwards cheated on his wife and Democratic pundits are talking about his come back.

what where YOU saying again?

If you wish I can put up more Democratic pary scandals in which Democratic voters kept on voting for the corrupt sleeze ball.

Blagojavich, everyone plus their mother knew by the time he was running for his second term that he was as corrupt as they come, yet Rahm Emmanuel, Obama and the rest of the Illinois Democratic party backed him up! and guess what? Democratic voters put him back in the governor’s seat.

Mayor Daley, the most corrupt, crooked politician in America after Blagojavich, yet year after year, after year he is re-elected by Democrat party voters that could careless about his amoral and corrupt behavior.

son, you do not want to down this road, your party will loose miserably. Shall we look at the corrupt and amoral politicians New Orleans. How about the Mayor of Los Angeles, the man has had over three sexual affairs and the mindless Democrats of LA keep on elected the sleeze ball. The man is evening planning to run for Governonr of CA since he is so popular with the morally corrupt Democratic voters.

Shall I continue son? let me know.

and remember, Rush Limbaugh is NOT an elected official. I know your poor public school education did not teach you this.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:43 pm 97. steveg:

Sheesh….This is great news for republicans. This is the same as David Duke becoming a Republican senator would be for Democrats. You cannot get any more mean-spirited than Al Frankin (Stuart Smalley), no matter how hard you try. He is as far-left as they come, and a recent poll reflects the publics sentiment that the Democrat party is too liberal already. 2010 will be a repeat of 1994, and I’m now totally convinced.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:43 pm 98. CJ:

President Clinton is one of the greatest heros of the Democratic party and so is John F. Kennedy. both morally corrupt individuals who did not care about their wife or children.

yet women groups on the left love President Clinton. Countless of women on the left came out on the 1990s and said that they would have loved to have sex with President clinton despite the FACT that he stands against anything and everything these so called feminist claimed they stood for.

Shall I continue son?

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:45 pm 99. Aureliano:

Apparently someone flunked biology but still somehow believes he has something valuable to add. Homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom. Nearly every species of mammal shows inclinations towards homosexuality.

Yes indeed. I distinctly remember my 8th grade biology course: We spent at least 8 weeks discussing the alternative lifestyles of Spot and Rover, two fuzzy little buddies who just couldn’t get enough of each other. Of course, we were also taught that Spot and Rover had brains the size of an acorn ….

I wonder, did your biology courses discuss the fact that in the animal kingdom adult mammals will occasionally try to hump immature members of their own species … or even members of another species … or heck, sometimes they kill and/or EAT young from their own species … or even their own young.

Luckily for us we don’t have acorn-sized brains. (Not that all of us actually use our bigger brains … who needs a brain when we have television, a Blackberry, and Al Gore?)

Please explain to me how a manatee or a giraffe or a dog or any other creature could develop this mental disorder you speak of that would lead to them being gay.

Well, since gender is socially constructed, I’d say it’s not that they’re gay, it’s that they were raised in an environment that did not allow them to explore their true selves. Perhaps we should have a national ‘LGBT Animal Rights’ day to support our enlightened view of said gay animals. PETA would approve, and for not immediately obvious reasons.

I’m sure it will be very good for a laugh.

Too late.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:49 pm 100. CJ:

Sheesh,

Shall we talk about the Democratic mayor of Detroit who ended up in jail because of his amoral and corrupt behavior? Still Democratic party voters love him and adore him.

How about Liberal Supreme Court judge Ginsburg? Liberals love her and adore her. She has been quoted as saying that the sexual constent age in America should be lowered to 12 years old just like in Holland!

Do you REALLY WANT ME TO CONTINUE SON?

or how about all the ACLU lawyers, who like Rush have not been elected, but since you brought RUsh only fair to bring up the ACLU which Liberals adore and love. who have been caught with child ponography? or the ACLU defending NAMBLA and Liberals defending the ACLU for defending NAMBLA!

Do you REALLY want to go down the path of which party is moral and which one is not? Which voters get rid of their corrupt, amoral politicians and which party doesn’t?

How about the Republican Senator in Alaska?! he was asked by Palin and all other Republicans to drop from the race. He did not, but REpublican voters did not vote for him and he was re-elected. Of course today we know that it was an over zelous Liberal hack in the Justice Department that lied and his sentence and conviction have been overturned.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:52 pm 101. CJ:

Sheesh,

Shall we talk about John Murtha, the disgraced, disgusting Democratic Congressman who not only smeared our troops in Haditha, but was willing to take a bribe from the FBI undercover agent? or his current illegal schemes? yet, he is elected year, after year, after year and Nancy Pelosi has given him leadership positions.

Tell me son, when to stop embarrasing you and showing that the Democratic Party stands for no morals, no family values.

Tell me when to stop showing you that Democratic voters like yourself could careless that YOUR party politicians are corrupt digusting individuals that you do not mind electing and re-elected election year after election year.

Jun 30, 2009 - 12:57 pm 102. Delia:

What is wrong with a clean shaven, bald head? I dunno, I find completely bald heads pretty HAWT.

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:00 pm 103. Gaffe Prices:

I just wish we’d all quit bickering and just submit to our *new* gay and lesbian overlords.

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:02 pm 104. CJ:

99. Aureliano:

Apparently someone flunked biology but still somehow believes he has something valuable to add. Homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom. Nearly every species of mammal shows inclinations towards homosexuality.

Yes indeed. I distinctly remember my 8th grade biology course: We spent at least 8 weeks discussing the alternative lifestyles of Spot and Rover, two fuzzy little buddies who just couldn’t get enough of each other. Of course, we were also taught that Spot and Rover had brains the size of an acorn ….

I wonder, did your biology courses discuss the fact that in the animal kingdom adult mammals will occasionally try to hump immature members of their own species … or even members of another species … or heck, sometimes they kill and/or EAT young from their own species … or even their own young.

Luckily for us we don’t have acorn-sized brains. (Not that all of us actually use our bigger brains … who needs a brain when we have television, a Blackberry, and Al Gore?)

Please explain to me how a manatee or a giraffe or a dog or any other creature could develop this mental disorder you speak of that would lead to them being gay.

Well, since gender is socially constructed, I’d say it’s not that they’re gay, it’s that they were raised in an environment that did not allow them to explore their true selves. Perhaps we should have a national ‘LGBT Animal Rights’ day to support our enlightened view of said gay animals. PETA would approve, and for not immediately obvious reasons.

I’m sure it will be very good for a laugh.

Too late.
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Aureliano,

Excellent post.

I would add to your post….

Leave it to Liberals and homosexuals to excuse homosexuality because animals do it too.

Animals kill each other for food. Shall we excuse cannibalism amongst human beings?

Animals have incest, shall we excuse incest because animals have incestual intercourse?

Animals are known to kill each other for no reason at all. I guess murderers should be excused since animals in the wild do it too.

Only Liberals and militant homosexuals would excuse their amoral behavior by claiming that it is ok have homosexual intercourse because animals in the wild engage in this type of behavior.

Do these Liberals and militant homosexuals not realize that they are proving with their, “animals do it too” excuse that their homosexual acts are the result of uncontrolled animalistic behavior?

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:06 pm 105. sheesh:

CJ . . .

Yes, I absolutely want to go down the path of which party is more moral.

Republican aide Alan David Berlin was arrested on charges that he wanted to engage in sex acts with a 15-year-old boy while dressed in a panda costume.

Republican news producer Aaron Bruns was arrested on charges of possessing child pornography.

Republican activist and former presidential campaign chairman Jeffrey Claude Bartleson was arrested on charges of sexually molesting a 5-year old boy.

Republican activist and former chairman of the Christian County Republicans Royce Fessenden pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree child molestation and one count of second-degree statutory sodomy.
0.
0. Republican parole board officer and former legislator George C. (Chris) Ortloff pleaded guilty to attempting to lure 11- and 12-year-old girls to have sex with him.

0. Republican legislative aide Robert R. Groezinger was arrested for possessing child pornography.
0.
0. Republican legislator Robert A. McKee pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography.
0.
0. Republican legislator Scott Muschany was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl.
0.
Republican chief of staff Eric Feltner pleaded guilty to showing pornography to a 13-year old girl.

Republican presidential campaign official Matthew Joseph Elliott was convicted of sexual exploitation of a child.

Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman was charged with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.

Republican prosecutor John David Roy Atchison was arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an “assistant U.S. attorney” appointed by President Bush’s attorney general.

Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.

Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.

Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.

Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.

Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.

Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys — ages ten and 12 — during a six-year period.

Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.

Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:18 pm 106. Delia:

This world would be so much better if everyone was gay.

G’bye, humanity, nice knowin’ ya.

sarc/

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:20 pm 107. Horace Wells:

The pot is calling the kettle black here once again when smug bullies whine about haters. At least Klavan attempted some irony, which goes right over most’s heads.

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:21 pm 108. CJ:

Sheesh,

HAHAHA!!! how did I know you were going to get desperate and do a cut and paste. HAHA!

you are so poorly educated that you needed the help of a website to back you up.

You and I both know that I can do the same thing, look up a list of Democratic party corruption, scandals and amoral behavior.

You and I both know that the list is much longer on the Democratic side.

But tell me son, do you need me to do the cut and paste like you did (at least public school system taught you to cut and paste…thanks goodness, right?)

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:23 pm 109. Gaffe Prices:

For all my illiberal fascist friends: A Just Because Card,

“Just because, you are so sweet

And all you doo is just so neeeet!

and if you’ll now get off that teet,

Oh nevermind, just go back to hell and stay there this time

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:25 pm 110. CJ:

Sheesh,

You wouldn’t be honest enough to put up the link as to where you got your information, would you?

don’t worry, I know you Liberals lack any sense of honesty.

but you do know that when you put up something that you cut and paste, you are violating copyright laws if you do not put up the link where you cut and pasted from, right?

You see, you are prove that Liberals are amoral human beings that could careless about breaking the law.

You are too easy little Sheesh.

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:27 pm 111. Aureliano:

sheesh,

Dates please. I need to know when these events happened.

Then we can construct a similar list — or a longer list — across the same timeline.

I won’t ask for actual citations because I know you don’t have them, but dates are necessary.

Also, some of your list are ‘activists’. I don’t think you want to go down that road, since, for instance, that recent story about a gay Duke AIDS activist and his gay partner who adopted a 5yo black African boy and tried to sell him for sex would then qualify for your list.

And man oh man do you NOT want to go down that road ….

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:29 pm 112. CJ:

Hey little sheesh,

Shall we talk about Gary Studds Democrat Congressman from Mass.? You know what he did, right? and how he was re-elected, correct?

It is nice of you to cut and paste, but how many of the individuals in your cut and paste list are actually still serving in the Republican party?

http://stuckon-stupid.com/2007/08/29/political-scandals-democrats-vs-republicans/

Here are a couple of Liberal and Democratic politician scandals that Liberals like you could careless about and you keep on electing your corrupt, some being child molestors that are all over your party.

Learn son, put up the link of where you get your information. If you do not do this, you are violating the law and trying to pass as your work someone elses work.

oh wait, you wouldn’t care since your current Vice President, Joe Biden, was caught doing this and Democratic voters keep on electing him and did not mind putting this corrupt politician in a ticket with corrupt Obama.

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:31 pm 113. CJ:

Aureliano,

Sheesh does not know the difference between elected officials, activists, radio personalities, etc.

And just like you said, if he wants to include activists and other Democratic and Liberal individuals beyond elected politicians, the Liberal list would be 100 times the list of Republicans.

Starting with all the lawyers of the ACLU and Liberal judges who have been caught with child ponography!

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:35 pm 114. sheesh:

CJ – Beaten into utter submission . . . turning desperately to similarly deluded confidants in hopes of finding agreement to your destroyed claims . . . allow me to remind you of your words . . .

“Do you REALLY want to go down the path of which party is moral and which one is not? ”

OK, I’ll bite, which one is which?

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:43 pm 115. sheesh:

97. steveg:
“Sheesh….This is great news for republicans. This is the same as David Duke becoming a Republican senator would be for Democrats.”

If this is so good for Republicans, why did they spend so much time and money fighting it?

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:45 pm 116. sheesh:

CJ . . . Keep trying.

Here, let me show you what honesty sounds like . . . Neither party is moral.

It’s not that hard to be honest. and here’s the best part . . . it gets easier the more you do it. The sooner you start, sport, the better.

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:54 pm 117. Blarty Blarckleblart:

73. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Your kind have been censoring us for so long, it is history already.

I know! Isn’t it terrible how we liberals keep this blog from existing?

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:56 pm 118. James H.:

Sandra wrote: Some friends and I encountered this tactic heavily recently. Some lefties at an image board were having adults role play with girls as young as 16 and 13 being naked in front of them and touching their breasts, and performing sexual acts in front of the girls to other women.

Uhhmmmmm…isn’t that illegal? Or am I just being naive?

Jun 30, 2009 - 1:57 pm 119. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Sorry, I see this thread has degenerated into genital politics. The great thing about that argument is THERE’S ALWAYS A CLEAR WINNER.

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:05 pm 120. Blarty Blarckleblart:

You know what party is really a bunch of degenerates? The Constitution Party. Their convention is like Caligula.

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:12 pm 121. Gaffe Prices:

what do you get when you cross a democrat and a republican?

I don’t know, but I think its about time we did

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:21 pm 122. Gaffe Prices:

BTW, great analogy Klaven, those schizos are now the best represented minority constituency in yhe WeLL FED Government

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:28 pm 123. newton:

105. sheesh:

1. No links to those things you posted there.

2. No consideration whatsoever as to the bandwidth space of Andrew’s blog just by plugging this in.

3. I’ve seen this before. Aren’t you the same guy who posted this in another blog?

This is what I mean by throwing everything plus the kitchen sink at the neighbor’s house just because you don’t like him. The moment will come when the neighbor is going to show up at the front with a rifle and shout “Get off my lawn!” to your face.

If anything is practicing hatred here, it is YOU.

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:34 pm 124. Aureliano:

Isn’t it terrible how we liberals keep this blog from existing?

It isn’t from lack of trying (for the greater good … and the children).

I see this thread has degenerated into genital politics. The great thing about that argument is THERE’S ALWAYS A CLEAR WINNER.

You’ve obviously never partied in San Francisco. Or New York. Or Miami.

The Constitution Party. Their convention is like Caligula.

What’s wrong with that? Also, Caligula was bi, and supported a strong centralized government (for the greater good — and the children). What else is there to know?

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:38 pm 125. Strawman:

What the trolls lack in quality, they make up for in quantity.

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:38 pm 126. newton:

“124. Strawman:

What the trolls lack in quality, they make up for in quantity.
Jun 30, 2009 – 2:38 pm”

They’re making my case to Andrew!

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:47 pm 127. Mr Lucky:

105. sheesh.

Do you really think that party affiliation has anything to do with influencing a person’s sexual morality? Do only sex crimes count? Do Blacks use more dope? Do Hispanics steal more hubcaps? Do Whites rip off poor people more? Do Asians view more porn? Can they drive? Are Native Americans drunk all the time? Are you so caught up in this Dem/Repub identity dichotomy that you have lost perspective? Is saying one thing and doing another the sole province of Repubs? Has “good” Repub ever existed? Ever?

Let’s go life and death…

Democrat – Harry Truman – 2 A-bombs. I agree with that.

If you feel so inclined, list your Republican “war crimes”.

And… Where did you learn about church life?

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:47 pm 128. sheesh:

122 & 124 . . . You want facts . . . You don’t want facts . . . You want facts . . . You don’t want facts . . . It’s not about facts, it’s about bandwidth . . . It’s the facts . . . Don’t bother me with facts . . . No wonder you folks lost last time. You have no idea what you want or stand for.

I made a timely and relevant reference to Sanford . . . CJ can’t handle it when conservative hypocrisy rears its ugly head (maybe it’s just the frequency of late that frustrates CJ, or maybe they’re personal friends) . . . in any case, CJ turns it into “Republicans are good an Democrats aren’t” . . . I believe that is the definition of an ad hominem attack . . . and so I buried CJ in proof otherwise . . .but, and this is key . . . I led the issue to a point of truth that serves neither side . . . “Neither party is moral.”

So, butch up and deal with the facts as they are.

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:53 pm 129. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Strawman
RE: Heh

What the trolls lack in quality, they make up for in quantity. — Strawman

Quantity is no substitute for quality, but it’s the only thing sheesh has got.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The secret to success is to offend the greatest number of people. -- sheesh's apparent credo]

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:54 pm 130. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Those Whigs were the worst. Henry Clay and Millard Fillmore were animals. And don’t get Winfield Scott started on the joys of “hiking the Appalachian Trail.”

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:55 pm 131. sheesh:

126 Mr Lucky . . .”sheesh.Do you really think that party affiliation has anything to do with influencing a person’s sexual morality?”

As I said, “Here, let me show you what honesty sounds like . . . Neither party is moral.”

Can’t get much clearer than that.

Jun 30, 2009 - 2:56 pm 132. sheesh:

I just want to confirm . . . 128 Chuck Pelto decrying “quantity’ of postings. Wait, that can’t be right.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:00 pm 133. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Isn’t it terrible how we liberals keep this blog from existing?

It isn’t from lack of trying (for the greater good … and the children).

I’d hate to see this blog stop existing. It’s the second-funniest blog on the ‘net after Failblog. Although I must admit I sometimes get them confused.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:01 pm 134. steveg:

Al Franken (Stuart Smalley). Further proof the Democrat party is the looney left party. A clown, a comedian in the U.S. Senate, how appropriate.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:10 pm 135. Blarty Blarckleblart:

A clown, a comedian in the U.S. Senate, how appropriate.

I know, right? Next thing you know we’ll be electing a lousy actor who made movies with monkeys as president!

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:12 pm 136. BettyBlue:

Naaah, we’re gonna elect a Marxist who went to a Madrassa when he was a kid, and who goofed royally about the stimulus (according to his own vice-president), instead!

#81 A.T. and #90, Delia, you are very welcome!

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:23 pm 137. Blarty Blarckleblart:

“A Marxist who went to a Madrassa” – that didn’t work in the campaign, do you really think it’s going to work now? That Obama will somehow be un-president if you repeat it enough?

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:26 pm 138. Gaffe Prices:

boy, these monkey threads are really long and they don’t make any sense. I just skip over them

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:30 pm 139. Fantom:

“105. sheesh:
CJ . . .

Yes, I absolutely want to go down the path of which party is more moral.
”

Well , I did not bother to check out this .. ah Lieberal gentsomethings list for accuracy. But at least he was able to list it all.

Alas we cannot provide a similar list without exceeding bandwidth limits. heck this is only the garbage that one of the lefts gods have done.

http://www.prorev.com/legacy.htm

Funny thing about morality. As a global ,party, standard. It is not about individuals failings so much as which party re-elects such scum.

On that measure you sheesh are part of the scum re-electors.. the immoral party.

Capish? Probably not. There IS a limit as to what a two digit IQ can understand.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:35 pm 140. Evil Pundit:

Heh. Mr Klavan has proven his point nicely by suckering all the left-wing hate monkeys into the comments thread.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:54 pm 141. Aureliano:

Those Whigs were the worst. Henry Clay and Millard Fillmore were animals.

Excuse me sir, Mallard Filmore is indeed a duck, but there’s no need to be judgmental. And really, darling, who references Henry Clay anymore when you can wiki-reference that dictionary guy or Billy Harrison? They are so much more de rigeur.

And don’t get Winfield Scott started on the joys of “hiking the Appalachian Trail.”

Indeed. In just a single election cycle one can see the coming demographic onslaught that will be the postmodern metrosexual quintile, an avalanche of pasty white himbos and bimbos that will continue unabated at least until the predicted heat death of the universe some 200 trillion years in the future. Yes indeed.

And if you believe that I have an Appalachian Trail to sell you … in Chicago.

Jun 30, 2009 - 3:54 pm 142. BettyBlue:

#139 Evil Pundit, exactly.

They’re proving his point for him.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:05 pm 143. Delia:

I’m SOOOOOOOO getting banned for my last comment.

*sucks on a lolly innocently*

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:07 pm 144. Delia:

I’m so…oh…ahhh…mmmmm..

Nevermind. Good times.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:09 pm 145. Moogie:

#130 Sheesh: “As I said, “Here, let me show you what honesty sounds like . . . Neither party is moral.”

Sheesh, don’t fall off your chair, but I agree with you. Neither party holds the corner on morality. After all, aren’t they ALL politicians??

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:11 pm 146. Aureliano:

Next thing you know we’ll be electing a lousy actor who made movies with monkeys as president!

Yes, but they were Leftist Hate Monkeys, which makes them ‘correct’. Reagan was still a Democrat in those days.

That Obama will somehow be un-president if you repeat it enough?

Well, if the Republicans gain control of the House in 2010, I believe they can launch an investigation into his background.

For the greater good (and the children), of course … or at least on Constitutional grounds.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:11 pm 147. Delia:

Andy let me use the F-worddddddddddd.

*prances around naked except for her tennies, white socks and tight cheer-leader mini-skirt.

YAY me!

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:12 pm 148. Mr Lucky:

130. sheesh.

As I said, “Here, let me show you what honesty sounds like . . . Neither party is moral.”

Can’t get much clearer than that.

I agree. I missed that in your posts after #105, where you said -

“Yes, I absolutely want to go down the path of which party is more moral.” etc.

I was off talking to my birds for a bit…

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:27 pm 149. Robert Belvedere:

I have been studying Leftists and Leftism intently for over twenty years now, less rigidly since 1976, and I believe the above is one of the best descriptions and dissections of the Leftist mind I have ever read. I would only add the following: The Left believes that their fantastic reality and discredited worldview is THE ANSWER to all of the world’s problems. They believe in it with a religious-like fervour that would make Pentecostals blush. And, because there is no moral sense incorporated into the foundation of THE ANSWER and therefore no restraint on the methods of proselytizing, they will employ any means necessary to convert those who oppose them. The means have been seen for several centuries now from the guillotine scaffolds in France to the gulags and concentration camps of Central and Eastern Europe to the real world manifestations of Room 101 across the globe to the re-education and labor camps of modern Southeast Asia. When you are dealing with a committed Leftist, remember you are dealing with a mentally unsound person. As with the paranoid schizophrenic, you have to be very careful and quick around them.

Quoted from and linked to this article at:
http://www.thecampofthesaints.com/2009.06.28_arch.html#1246385219808

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:30 pm 150. sheesh:

147 Mr4 Lucky . . . My proving the Republicans are no more moral than Democrats only proves my point. You’re trying too hard.

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:39 pm 151. The Skizzerd of Waz:

As Zarathustra would say, them thar monkeys is disgusting!

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:39 pm 152. sheesh:

144 Moogie . . .Right. It’s not that hard!

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:40 pm 153. NCBob:

The word is not “hetrophobe,” it is “normalphobe.” The hatred of non-homosexuals (and their supporters) of those who are not is called “normalphobia” and it’s advocates are “normalphobes.”

Jun 30, 2009 - 4:40 pm 154. gcblues:

wow Klaven, something you do sure does wag the bush. look at all the scum falling out begging for attention. what you stirring up boy? living in central america, i know monkeys. in fact i see them almost daily, and yes they do fling poo. but another thing they do is even a better analogy. as you may know, most monkeys travel in families. monkey trails are all tree to tree. when i have visitors i encourage them to look up at the cute howlers. before they fling poo, they like to take a bite out of a mango so it is gushy, and hit you with that, then the poo. but lastly, if you do not go away, the predominant male goes as high as possible and proceeds to pee in the wind. you see, from a high point traveling through all those leaves there is no stream. by the time it gets to the dumb gringo tourists it is literally. a mist curtain of pee. i think you even taste it before you feel it. klavman, i think you will find the pee analogy more apt than the poo one. don’t you kinda feel that way after dem liberal monkey assaults? you know enveloped in that curtain thingy. what a foul taste liberals leave. use my analogy, free of charge of course.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:05 pm 155. Strawman:

Over 150 comments, and no one saw the racism in “monkeys”?

Soros really got hosed when he bought these trolls. Some Russian must have made him a deal he couldn’t refuse.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:07 pm 156. ITF:

Lefty Obamabots are really dependable. Call them Hate Monkeys and they show up en-masse, spittle flying, to prove the point beyond any doubt. Thanks, lefty morons! I haven’t laughed this hard in a month!

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:17 pm 157. Nightgown Media:

Special to “Delia” –

1. How does soliciting married men over the Internet square with your apparent social conservatism?

2. How’s the approach working for you?

Best of luck to you,

Nightgown Media

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:19 pm 158. Mr Lucky:

147 Mr4 Lucky . . . My proving the Republicans are no more moral than Democrats only proves my point. You’re trying too hard.

Well sheesh, agreeing with your point about political morality is not quite “there” I see.

Yeah, trying too hard to find some common ground. Is your “point” more important than seeking truth? Too many questions?

I won’t stop enjoying your posts.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:29 pm 159. Man Boobs:

Now this is what I call a ho-down. Chock full o’ libnuts.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:29 pm 160. Octogalore:

Andrew: you are grouping all the critique of your article into one category: irrational lefties.

I twice introduced a critique from a libertarian perspective — and full disclosure, I do not read Greenwald and am a consistent PJM reader — and you did not offer any response.

While there were certainly a number of uninformed, taking-ideological-sides critiques, your argument here about your distaste for them would be more convincing if you’d taken the time to acknowledge and/or respond to others.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:38 pm 161. CJ:

Sheesh,

HAHAHA!!! you think you beat me into utter submission? All you did is proof that you can cut and paste. But geez guy I gave you a few hours to come up with the source of your claim.

And as Aureliano said, most of the people you put as Republicans on that list are activist and the likes, not elected politicians.

The problem with you Sheesh is that you want to use the good old trick that the Left in the world has been using for centuries, moral equivelancy.

You can’t handle the truth that your party is full of digusting, pathetic, amoral, corrupt scumbags, starting with our current President.

and Sheesh, you intellectual midget, you never grasped what I was trying to tell you, my young padwan.

It wasn’t about which party is more corrupt and digusting, which anyone with an IQ over 100 knows that the Democratic party is pure filth, but the point is that it is Democrat and Liberal voters that keep on electing the scumb that make up the Democratic party.

Get it yet young padwan?

Democrats and Liberal voters, much like yourself elect corrupt politicians like President Barack Hussein Obama despite his questionable past. It is YOUR party that has elected and re-elected a dispicable character like Ted Kennedy despite the fact that he was too mcuh of a coward to safe his drowining girlfriend and then of course all the cover up afterwards. It is the Democratic party loyal, voter who keeps on putting Barney Frank and Murtha back in Congress despite their corrupt and amoral ways.

The Democratic party is corrupt and amoral through and through. From the politicians that make the party to the voters that put these politicians in power, the Democratic party is absolute and utter garbage.

The only thing that you have done, Sheesh is prove that you can cut and paste from a cheap website that is obviously incredibly biased since you are terrified of proving the source of your list.

IN other words, Sheesh you fit in right with your party, a coward and an amoral.

Get it through your brain.

The Democratic party voters keep on electing digusting and filthy politicians.

the Republican party has its digusting pigs, but they are not elected and re-elected election after election.

C’mon boy, son please make an attempt to keep up.

Don’t bring a cheap, unsharpened knife to a gun fight.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:41 pm 162. CJ:

Sheesh,

A question for you, mental midget. If the Democratic party and the Republican party, according to you are full of filth, why do you vote Democratic, eh? Why do you vote filth into political positions?

By your own admission you do not care to vote filth into political power.

poor you, thanks for playing. You are embarrasment to the Liberal cause. Can you please send a Liberal with some type of intelligence and knowledge? I know, I know it will be hard to find, but I am sure you can find at least one.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:44 pm 163. Delia:

Here, let me rain on your parade:

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Jun 30, 2009 - 5:46 pm 164. Delia:

1337 hax0rz rule

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:46 pm 165. kevinS:

Sheesh,

Taking one example in your long list of “republican” perverts, Russell Harding. Google doesn’t give any indication that he was ever a Republican but rather that he was a member of the NYC Liberal Party, a progressive group since 1944, and which his father was the head of.
He was, however, a member of Giuliani’s government, which position is thought to have been a pay off to the support given by his father.
So…one wonders how many of the others noted on your list are really Republicans, and how many were ever actually charged, but rather smeared.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:58 pm 166. Delia:

Acii art also rules.

he-he

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:58 pm 167. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Too Funny

I just want to confirm . . . 128 Chuck Pelto decrying “quantity’ of postings. Wait, that can’t be right. — sheesh

sheesh has more comments on this thread than I have in all the threads active on the blog at this time.

This character is seriously ‘deranged’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:24 pm 168. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. And they’re—ALL of his comments—inane comments at that….

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:25 pm 169. sheesh:

160 CJ . . . You got toasted, and you don’t like it. And now you’re angry and pitching a fit. My kids used to do that . . . when they were 7.

I guess church is out, eh? I should have known better. Mr. Klavan warned that my good conservative ideas would be met with “screeching venomous diatribes and personal attacks.” But then I realized, “Hey, I’m not one of THEM, I’m one of ME.”

You see, that’s the thing about liberals you too easily miss: we don’t travel in herds. We prefer independence and freedom and self-determination. Conservatives, on the other hand, feel safe only in a crowd. They don’t like to be alone with their thoughts, you know the ones, impure thoughts that happen at night and make the itchies come.

And so rather than be alone with your itchy thoughts, even though you kind of like them, you band together to accuse “the others” of things you do and want to do and can’t help doing. It’s not enough to commune with your like-minded brethren and sisteren. No, you have to tell other people what to do, too. And us liberal folk, we don’t cotton to be told what to do. We tend to dismiss you and think you’re uptight and angry and basically boring. And that’s when you lose it, like so . . .

“and Sheesh, you intellectual midget . . . the Democratic party is pure filth . . . full of digusting, pathetic, amoral, corrupt scumbags”

Not particularly imaginative, but what you lack in thought and color you make up for in pure rage. Congratulations. I understand that to be a major coup in conservative ranks.

I hope you find the peace you need. If not, I hope you find the piece you need. Cuz there’s defintely a hole in need of fillin’.

And Delia, you gotta keep your nose out of the product.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:27 pm 170. ITF:

Well. Splattering trolls is loads of fun. However, there is a point to the article.

So how did we get to the point that shrieking the loudest, and telling the most ignorant lies manages to pass massive frauds like the “Stimulus” (ROFL), cap and trade, and coming soon, socialized medicine? Hate Monkeys is as good a term as any (if you think so little of monkeys) but it still has to be stopped, or at least slowed until the next election.

Sorry to say, spending so much time and energy in laughing at the stupidities the lefties post won’t get the job done.

We’ll need to spend all that wasted energy with actual facts: i.e., trillion dollar a year deficits are not “Hope”. More like Despair. Socialized medicine is a plank in the socialist wish list that has undergone no “Change” in over a hundred years. “Cap and Trade” is simply massive theft masquerading as “Save the Planet”. It will only feed the insatiable appetites of socialist parasites and end up turning the U.S. into the Ukraine circa 1991.

Gotta make actual points, folks. Talk to people with curiosity and a basic understanding of arithmetic. Facts will eventually win out as more people see through the barrage of ignorance coming from neo-commie parasites, volume notwithstanding.

They will see it sooner if we all just learn to avoid having our discussions (in forums, on TV, in the street, and in Congress) derailed while we get a few guffaws at the expense of infantile leftie trolls.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:37 pm 171. Alana:

You skewered it quite well. When I’ve run into these rabid leftists, I, too, have been startled by the sudden vicious and personal attacks. All about what a horrible person I am, in detail, and compared, of course, to their superior selves.

Just because I dared to say something they disagreed with. Even if the majority of Americans agree with me on the topic!

I’m getting kind of used to it. Partly because I think it *is* our culture now, and it will eventually come to blows.

One would think things would improve with a “progressive” sort of president now, but these people have actually gotten worse.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:37 pm 172. Delia:

I got censored!

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:43 pm 173. Delia:

Sorry, Andrew. I was sorta pushing the envelope with the ascii art thing. *sn1ffle-p0ut*

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:44 pm 174. Delia:

171. Alana,

Sometimes you have to skewer them back. Some of ‘them’ behave after a few ’swats’…others need to take a full on dose of ‘raid’.

Don’t EVER back down or be intimidated by the trolls. Learn them and learn what makes each one ‘tick’. Being as nasty as THEM is unfortunately what it takes from time to time, even though I’d much rather get along with everyone but, ‘getting along’ is a joke to the Left.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:50 pm 175. Delia:

“And Delia, you gotta keep your nose out of the product.”

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Yaknow, at first I was like, huh? What? I was thinkin’, “Nose out of product… I’m nosy? I’m pokin’ my nose in other people’s business too much?”

Then I read it to hubby and hubby said, “He meant DRUGS/PRODUCT as in COKE.”

Man, I’m such a tard! lmao
LMFAO

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:55 pm 176. Strawman:

When I’ve run into these rabid leftists, I, too, have been startled by the sudden vicious and personal attacks.

Alinsky. They’re not bright enough to understand all of Alinsky’s rules, but they do have experience with junior high food fights. They know they’re expected to do this, but they don’t know why. But there’s some sort of nose rush from spitting out “WINGNUT!!!”.

Don’t want to be a fly on their wall when that happens. There’s a good chance that you’ll die in a gob of goo.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:56 pm 177. Delia:

Sheeshers, Jesus loves drug dealers too so don’t give up hope.

Jun 30, 2009 - 6:57 pm 178. sheesh:

177. Delia. I’m no dealer any more than your hubby is . . . just aware.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:28 pm 179. Kim:

35. ProudConservative: and 71. Moogie:

Thank you both for the enlightening video references.

Jun 30, 2009 - 7:52 pm 180. Delia:

178. sheesh,

Are you trying to get sinister with me? The hardest ‘drugs’ I ever did were ‘prescripts’ for ‘pain’ when I was healing from my broken ribs.

Have you ever had your ribs broken?

-I got off the pain pills STAT once I healed up.

Coke, smack, crack etc.? Never tried it. Maybe that makes me sound like a dweeb but I did my share of ‘pot’ and hated it with a passion. Drugs are scary imho.

Sheeshers, how about an old Lucy episode? One of my favs? The meat locker. lol

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:17 pm 181. Sandra:

Sandra wrote: Some friends and I encountered this tactic heavily recently. Some lefties at an image board were having adults role play with girls as young as 16 and 13 being naked in front of them and touching their breasts, and performing sexual acts in front of the girls to other women.

James H wrote: Uhhmmmmm…isn’t that illegal? Or am I just being naive?

We thought so, but when one of our friends confronted them, they wouldn’t even say whether having an adult man role playing in public with 16 year old girls naked and talking about having sex with was either good or bad.
It seems they don’t care what happens with the kids on the site because there really isn’t an ourcry.

http://carolinamaxwell.wordpress.com/

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:33 pm 182. paul_unalaska:

Sheesh.. cut n’ paste bandit..!

Jun 30, 2009 - 8:43 pm 183. Boss Tid:

FYI, Let me say right here that when I use the word ‘fag’ I do not mean it with reference to any homosexual behavior or lifestyle.

Its use is more as a means of referring to those elements of the feminized portion of society whom we think of when we are talking about sissies, and serves as a modified taunt

You know, like that petulant pick served up by democrat party who doesn’t want to appear as “meddling in the affairs of the sovereign dictatorship of Iran” for ten days before he weakly bowed to pressure and issued some limp-wristed butch in-deeper-baritone comment, and now he starts immediately “meddling” in the affairs of a state whose fuhrer tried and failed to do the same thing his a-holiness has just proposed. I guess he’s afraid (without cause) that the same thing might happen to his purulent self, so that makes him gay and paranoid and schizophrenic, not to mention stupid.

But people who don’t vet a someone of Nitty/Alinsky lineage are always real, real touchy, which is the hallmark of their redneck culture, not to mention their hyper/homophobic personality profile.

But to waste time calling these feminized basket cases ‘fags’ is an insult to all their farm animals who live a life of constant anxiety and dread hoping against hope that this won’t be the next time, and that maybe there will be justice and the farm machinery will rise up and “take care of them”.
Sad, but thats how it is.

And for that to succeed, first, you must find some worthless nerd, who no one can remember doing anuthin, then give him and that dragon wife of his everything whether they earned it or not, to put them on the fast track to becoming 2) the prince and princess of privilege, then 3) wipe all his records clean, so there’s no paper trail, and Presto! Now you have some exalted excrement at the top, so these scum suckers can finally feel better about themselves (simply by comparison).

And its not like they aren’t grateful: they can fling more monkey feces than they can consume, made possible by some ‘miracle’ by the number one and number two

So they don’t have to worry, because he has already debased himself more than they have, when he teabagged the very saudi slaver of the (his) very east african peoples he claims are his ancestors. [But I'm not buyin it, because Frank Davis is his real daddy, which makes him an ill-legitimate bastard twice over]. So there.

And I would know, because I like to post under a pseudonym.

[But thanks trolls, I'm just pretending to be dissing you to throw these rascists/sexists/homophobes/bigots off the scent]

Jun 30, 2009 - 9:19 pm 184. Clausewitz:

“We liberals have hair. HA!”

Just not on your genitals. Grow up.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:04 pm 185. Gary Rosen:

“I’m no dealer”

I don’t know if sheesh is a dealer, but he is incontrovertibly an antisemitie and a liar. I showed a link to his antisemitism, and when he could not refute it he resorted to falsely associating me with child molesters. He had no link and no proof, because it was a complete lie he made up. I’m not resentful, I expected this from him because he long ago proved what a degenerate he is. I am merely relating this as a service to those who may not know what kind of individual he is.

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:07 pm 186. Sunglasses on a cloudy day:

Pulled off the wire.

(AP) Washington D.C.

The “community” group ACORN (Association of Community Groups for Reform Now) has announced they are finally able to operate under their original name: Association of Communist Groups for Reform Now. “It’s actually a little embarrassing and it’s been a long time coming, but when we originally formed the group we bought a boat load of t-shirts, coffee mugs, pens, pencils, hats, stationary, all the things necessary for the running of an organization from a company in Taiwan”, said now retired founder Wade Rathke adding, “it was my brother Dale’s idea for saving us money over the long run, “buy in bulk” he said, so we bought in bulk. Not the last time my brother fucked up.” Raymond Chan, the supplier who took the ACORN order in 1970 had this to say, “I mean, the name had “communist” in it, what else was I supposed to think, to me, it was a typo. They were American, I assumed they meant “community”. It took a long time to get paid, but in the end Dale came through. Although I don’t think his brother was too happy about it.” He may not have been happy back then, but he sure is happy now. “We think the time this situation has taken to be played out has probably worked in our favor, really, who would have supported a group with “communist” in it’s name in the 80’s? A couple of dumpy philosophy majors? I mean, come on. Seriously. With all the work we’ve done since then, especially through the media and lawsuits, I’d say, we’ve done a pretty good job “Americanizing” communism. Don’t you think?”

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:53 pm 187. Tristan:

I’ve dealt with these people all my life. For some of them, its that they wade into an argument with a few, hand-picked liberal “facts”, and then when you dismiss them with a little reality, they have nothing left but name calling. For others, its a deliberate strategy to trash you personally so they don’t have to address your argument – like Joe the Plumbers not really a plumber or whatever. Then you waste time having to defend the accusation – umm, I think he is a plumber, well how do you define plumber, does he have a license, etc – rather than address the actual point, which is that Obama and the liberals are putting caps on what income level is acceptable. What liberals don’t understand is that that’s the kind of behavior that completely turns off independents and moderates by frankly making them look like idiots. Stick to the substance of the argument, and the people that matter will pay attention with an open mind and absorb the information.

BTW one of the truisms about writing for the internet is you’ll meet some very nice people and some real jerks, just comes with the territory. Enjoy the former, and dismiss the latter.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:00 pm 188. Tristan:

Oh, the other thing liberals do is take one quote long ago out of context, and then accuse you of racism. Supposedly Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, and Bill O’Reilly are racists, although I’ve listened/read each for years and have never encountered any such quote, just sensible arguments – yet the liberals have ready “examples” that let them automatically discredit anything said on the basis of racism or whatever. And yes, being called racist is worst than being called gay – and they called Bill Clinton a racist, remember? Just for pointing out that Jesse Jackson also won the S. Carolina primary.

Jun 30, 2009 - 11:05 pm 189. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Gary Rosen
RE: SAKES!!!!!

I don’t know if sheesh is a dealer, but he is incontrovertibly an antisemitie and a liar. I showed a link to his antisemitism, and when he could not refute it he resorted to falsely associating me with child molesters. — Gary Rosen

You mean that Klavan’s article is actually factual?!??!?!??!

Imagine THAT!!!!

That would go far in explaining why sheesh is all over this thread like a bad rash. Klavan, et al., touched a nerve with the little twit. And he’s itching to get back at them all.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A learned fool writes nonsense in better language that the unlearned - but it's still nonsense. -- Benjamin Franklin]

Jul 1, 2009 - 1:44 am 190. Alexander Hine:

As much as I enjoyed this article, I did find it perplexing that no examples of this hateful vomit were offered, and amusing that the article complained about leftist diatribes in the course of a completely emotional diatribe (which labeled its targets as monkeys)…..

The ironies aside though, it was funny

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:45 am 191. Gaffe Prices:

Delia @180

I Love Lucy Too, I think if I watched Vita-Vita-Vegamin and The Three Stooges Plumbing at the same time, I would die of mans laughter

Also, Friends Of the Friendless, with 3 Stooges Pie fight, honorable mention

what a way to go.

Jul 1, 2009 - 3:25 am 192. Gaffe Prices:

Bears repeating: @183,

“with he [you know who] teabaggin’ the very Saudi slaver of the very east african peoples he claims as his ancestors”, enslaved to this very day by Saudi slavers.

Take that. You filthy, fripping, mendacious, duplicitous fellow teabaggers.

And that goes for you too Klaven!

Opps! Sorry, (*gasp*) you’re the host! My apologies… Well done, nice work! Smoke ‘um out!! Yeah baby!!!

Jul 1, 2009 - 4:09 am 193. JanSimpson:

Nice posts – I think it is finally time to think about this:

If the liberals won – and the blacks and young democrats are a majority why are they acting like this? I always have to ask my self – if you win, and you win with diginity, no foul – if you win and you act like raving idiots, you must have cheated – so the ACORN voter fraud, the Black Panther harrassment of voters – must be true – and the fact – Barney Frank and the rest calling Conservatives and Christians racists – has been overused and frankly there is no racism any longer – the previous minorities have more oppportunities than anyone in this country – just start with college scholarships – when I was looking for scholarships for my daughter – she was white – and she did not meet the requirements for the majority of scholarships avaiable. Also, the affirmative action is the most racist piece of law I have seen – you get promoted because you are black – that would make me feel worse – we have created this mess – let’s get rid of it

Jul 1, 2009 - 4:35 am 194. Terri:

Sheesh,
I wasn’t going to respond to any of this, but I have to make a comment. I can not make any statements about most of the Republicans you mentioned, but 2 of them I can.

1st being Gov Mark Sanford. From where I sit as a citizen of SC, he has done nothing wrong. Him and his wife were/are going through major problems in their marriage. I don’t know about you, but I do know it’s human nature that when this happens, to look elsewhere, whether for sexual or emotional comfort. It’s not about being Republican or Democrat, it’s about being human.

2nd is Sen. Strom Thurmond. Here you should study your history. You call him a pedophile, but in the 1920s, most women in the South were married before the age of 16. Essie Mae, Strom’s oldest daughter, was born in 1925. While it was true she was born out of wedlock, Strom loved her mother. You must remember the times. Black and whites DID NOT mix, not even as friends. So this was a forbidden love. Strom support his daughter, all the way up until his death in 2003. While Strom having a daughter with a black woman was a secret to the rest of the country, it wasn’t here, and it didn’t seem to matter to anyone.

Now to clarify, I’m not republican or Democrate. I don’t vote according to party, I vote according to issues.

Jul 1, 2009 - 5:15 am 195. sheesh:

Gary Rosen . . . “Service” is a noble cause, and I offer mine in defense of the most defenseless in our society, the children. If you choose to do otherwise, where victimizers of those innocents are concerned, that’s your business.

Jul 1, 2009 - 5:28 am 196. sheesh:

180 Delia . . . No, not getting sinister at all. Just stating that it’s possible to be aware of the drug vernacular without being part of the culture, sort of like promoting military service for others while you get a deferment for a pimple on your butt . . . an unlikely scenario, I know, but I’m sure some coward has done it in the past.

Jul 1, 2009 - 5:33 am 197. Andrew Klaven on the Leftists Hate Monkeys « Stingers Cave:

[...] by Skyzot on July 1, 2009 This is a great article It should be required [...]

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:19 am 198. Andrew Klaven on the Leftists Hate Monkeys | The Black Hole Next Door:

[...] This is a great article It should be required reading. [...]

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:22 am 199. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Alexander Hine
RE: A Telling ‘Indicator’

As much as I enjoyed this article, I did find it perplexing that no examples of this hateful vomit were offered…. — Alexander Hine

If you’ve never witnessed it for yourself…..you might be one of ‘them’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Satan doesn't trouble those who are already on his side.]

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:23 am 200. Blarty Blarckleblart:

I enjoy facts like “Obama is putting a cap on what income is considered acceptable” and the stimulus was only passed because of schizophrenic deranged leftists. There’s literally no way to argue against facts like those.

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:40 am 201. Delia:

196. sheesh,

Ohhhh. Kinda like knowing what ‘tea-bagging’ is without ever having ‘done it’.

Sorry. Had a blonde moment.

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:43 am 202. Delia:

191. Gaffe Prices,

I LOVE LUCYYYYYYYYY! TOO! lol. I own the whole collection but I’m missing the the last dvd set. Anyone care to donate to the Delia fund? ha-ha

Vegga-meaty-vitey-vat *hiccup*

Ha-ha!

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:45 am 203. Aureliano:

There’s literally no way to argue against facts like those.

Excepting sarcasm, of course.

Also, can you please link to any site, any where in which you’ve argued your case for anything at all?

Thanks.

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:49 am 204. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Also, can you please link to any site, any where in which you’ve argued your case for anything at all?

Of course not. I’m too busy picking up welfare checks and killing babies and hating Christians. There are only so many hours in the day, Aureliano.

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:52 am 205. Aureliano:

Blarty,

I win.

Jul 1, 2009 - 8:54 am 206. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Blarty Blarckleblart
RE: Additional Information

I enjoy facts like….the stimulus was only passed because of schizophrenic deranged leftists. — Blarty Blarckleblart

You left out the part about “….who didn’t read the legislation they voted for“.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Aureliano wins…..

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:18 am 207. Strawman:

Satan doesn’t trouble those who are already on his side.

But he has been know to throw them under the bus when they become inconvenient.

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:22 am 208. john from cinncinatti:

i like your perspective Mr. Klaven, you most definitely threw fuel on the flames with this blog.

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:28 am 209. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Strawman
RE: Yes, Indeed. But….

But he has been know to throw them under the bus when they become inconvenient. — Strawman

….then, they are no longer ‘on his side’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The devil's most devilish when respectable. - Elizabeth Barrett Browning]

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:49 am 210. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Does being in the Oval Office make him ‘respectable’?

Jul 1, 2009 - 9:49 am 211. Delia:

210. Chuck Pelto:

“P.S. Does being in the Oval Office make him ‘respectable’?”

I think Monika Lewinsky already covered that ‘territory’. lol

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:03 am 212. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: Yeah….

I think Monika Lewinsky already covered that ‘territory’. — Delia

….but two thinks:

[1] The Devil has MANY agents.

[2] The current occupant has demonstrated more of a penchant for throwing people “under the bus when they become inconvenient.”

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Have you heard about the dyslexic devil-worshipper who sold his soul to Santa?]

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:19 am 213. Delia:

212. Chuck Pelto,

Great points, Mr. Pelto.

Also, “Have you heard about the dyslexic devil-worshipper who sold his soul to Santa?” was freakin’ HILARIOUS.

The worshipful idiots calling into c-span this afternoon make me want to toss a shoe. SCARY.

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:41 am 214. Blarty Blarckleblart:

Blarty,

I win.

Strong argument, but I’d like to suggest that I win.

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:47 am 215. shaui-jan:

over 200 comments and only one resident apparatchik responding,what gives..someone gotta mention DICK CHENEY or something?

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:55 am 216. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Blarty Blarckleblart
RE: Heh

….I’d like to suggest that I win. — Blarty Blarckleblart

You can ’suggest’ all you ‘like’, but….well….you know….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You need professional help. May I suggest Jack Kevorkian?]

Jul 1, 2009 - 10:55 am 217. Kim:

Mr. Klavan’s comparison of leftist discourse with the behavior of a schizophrenic may be more than just a useful analogy. There might actually be an essential connection between schizophrenia and the thinking of the modern liberal.

Psychologist Louis Sass has written a fascinating book called “Madness and Modernism”, in which he uses modern art to shed light on insanity. He writes that there are no reported cases of schizophrenia prior to Kant, and that the character of the disorder shares important traits with Kant’s radical subjectivism.

Leftist theory begins with Kant’s “Critique of Pure Reason”, a book he wrote to subvert reason and science, which he feared would ultimately eliminate religion.

So Kant could be the origin of both schizophrenia and leftist thought.

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:01 am 218. Blarty Blarckleblart:

217 Kim

I think you’re on to something. You should definitely get this “Kant caused schizophrenia” idea out to the people. Please be sure to tell them you are representative of conservative thought.

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:06 am 219. shaui-jan:

217 kim.leftism resembles some type of religious cult alot more than a mental disease, IMO.i would agree that having a conversation with a statist does have me coming away,more often then not….questioning their sanity.

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:20 am 220. Jacobite:

I’m interested in the idea that opponents of Leftist ideas are invalidating their fantasies. These are endless, but I think they all stem from the Enlightenment idea that man is born with a mind that is a ‘tabula rasa’. The idea that one can change human behaviour by altering their environment is the basis/justification for all Leftist programs. If there exists in the human brain such a thing as a hard-wired set of behavioural tendencies — “human nature”, then all the Left’s coercive plans and policies are pointless. Worse, they are contra this ‘human nature’ and therefore forcing people to behave in ways that they do not want to, and never will want to. This would explain the boringly predictable failure of every Leftist project. I don’t know, anybody who reads history, checks current events, or just looks around his town, ought to figure out that humans, over time and over space, display certain gross behaviours time after time. That seems to me to be a lot to chalk up to coincidence, or the class system (and, BTW, where did that come from?). Believing in the essential reasonableness of human beings is much harder for me to square with history, archeology, and observation of infants, than to suspect that human behaviour is channelled by inborn proclivities, but maybe that’s just me.

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:26 am 221. Warren Bonesteel:

I dunno…I see the hate coming from both sides of that ideological divide.

All it takes to get a conservative Republican wound up is to tell him that America has a secular government and that America wasn’t established as a Christian nation.

That, or try to discuss secret societies, such as the Masons, who had a huge part in writing our founding documents and in winning the Revolutionary War, thereby giving us the opportunity to enjoy the freedoms we say that we cherish.

Or, provide the evidence that reveals that any ideology, even that of contemporary conservatism, actually leads to, and even requires, big government internvetion into our lives.

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:40 am 222. David S:

@216. Chuck Pelto:

[You need professional help. May I suggest Jack Kevorkian?]

I presume Pelto is speaking from personal experience. Certainly would explain a great deal…

Peace.

DS

Jul 1, 2009 - 11:57 am 223. Chuck Pelto:

TO: David S
RE: There Ya Go, Again…..

I presume Pelto is speaking from personal experience. — David S

….making unfounded assumptions.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[When you ASSUME something, YOU make an ASS out of U and ME. -- An Army First Sergeant]

P.S. More U than ME, here…..

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:02 pm 224. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. I suspect YOU know more of Dr. Death than I do….probably through your ‘ministry’ efforts…..Minister….

Jul 1, 2009 - 12:05 pm 225. David S:

@224. Chuck Pelto:

“P.P.S. I suspect YOU know more of Dr. Death than I do….probably through your ‘ministry’ efforts…..Minister….”

Suspect, presume, assume – take your pick. You are the one advertising for the guy. Apparently you know Kevorkian well enough to recommend his services. Does he know you call him Dr. Death behind his back?

Peace.

DS

Jul 1, 2009 - 1:05 pm 226. Chuck Pelto:

TO: David S
RE: Problems….

Suspect, presume, assume – take your pick. — David S

….with English, David?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]

P.S. Do you support assisted suicide?

Jul 1, 2009 - 1:15 pm 227. sheesh:

129. Chuck Pelto:. . . “Quantity is no substitute for quality . . . ”

27 posts and counting for Chucky P.

Jul 1, 2009 - 1:52 pm 228. Chuck Pelto:

TO: sheesh
RE: I’ve….

27 posts and counting for Chucky P. — sheesh

….play’n ‘catch-up’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. My quality is by far superior…..

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:02 pm 229. David S:

226. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Do you support assisted suicide?

Yes, I do. Do you require assistance?

Peace.

DS

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:22 pm 230. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: See….

Yes, I do. Do you require assistance? — David S

….what I mean about our good ‘minister’ and my suspicion about he being closer to Dr. Death than I am?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:25 pm 231. Chuck Pelto:

TO: David S
RE: I HOPE….

….you have a better understanding of the word ’suspect’ in English now.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. What IS your ‘native’ language anyway?

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:33 pm 232. I blame Bush:

#169 Sheesh:

“You see, that’s the thing about liberals you too easily miss: we don’t travel in herds. We prefer independence and freedom and self-determination. Conservatives, on the other hand, feel safe only in a crowd”.

I’ve landed in a parallel universe, where random words have the opposite meanings, like something I once saw on Twilight Zone. Liberal = conservative & vice versa.

LIBERALS don’t travel in herds?? Que? Sheesh, are you just trolling, as usual, or has your risible moral vanity reached new heights?

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:34 pm 233. sheesh:

230 Chuck Pelto . . . Do you support the federal government stepping in and trying to stop state-approved assisted suicide?

Jul 1, 2009 - 2:34 pm 234. AThinkingPerson:

Sheesh seems to have forgotten the transgressions from the Democratic factions.

Kennedy clan? ‘nough said.

Jul 1, 2009 - 6:33 pm 235. sheesh:

234 acumbersomeperson . . . Hey, I hear Michael Jackson is gonna make a comeback in London!

Jul 1, 2009 - 6:41 pm 236. sheesh:

He’s what? . . . Dead? . . . No way!

Jul 1, 2009 - 6:41 pm 237. Delia:

5H335H3|25 n33|}5 4 n4p

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:00 pm 238. Delia:

7H3|23 4|23 pL3n7y 0f p30pL3 wH0 4|23 w4y 5M4|273|2 7H4n 5H335H H3|23. H4v3 p17y.

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:07 pm 239. Delia:

What? Am I the only one who can speak 1337 here?????

Jul 1, 2009 - 7:23 pm 240. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE 1337

7H3|23 4|23 pL3n7y 0f p30pL3 wH0 4|23 w4y 5M4|273|2 7H4n 5H335H H3|23. H4v3 p17y. — Delia

Don’t beat around the bush. Just tell US what you think.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I lost my decoder ring. And they aren’t putting anymore in the cereal boxes.

Jul 2, 2009 - 12:56 am 241. Delia:

240. Chuck Pelto:

“P.S. I lost my decoder ring. And they aren’t putting anymore in the cereal boxes.”

LOL! Sowwy. I’ll cut out the 1337 speak. Annoying isn’t it? he-he

Jul 2, 2009 - 8:26 am 242. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Delia
RE: [OT] Annoyance

Annoying isn’t it? he-he — Delia

Normally, my response to that sort of think is Don’t curse ME in foul foreign language!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Don't look now, but they're talking about you behind your back.]

Jul 2, 2009 - 8:36 am 243. Chuck Pelto:

Oops….

….that should have read….

Don’t curse ME in your foul foreign language!

Jul 2, 2009 - 8:37 am 244. sheesh:

Looks like the Tea Party has been replaced by Nerdfest.

Jul 2, 2009 - 9:00 am 245. Chuck Pelto:

TO: sheesh
RE: I Don’t Care….

Looks like the Tea Party has been replaced by Nerdfest. — sheesh

….what it’s called. You’re STILL ‘not invited’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You wouldn't like to know how we treat 'party-crashers'.]

Jul 2, 2009 - 9:25 am 246. Delia:

243. Chuck Pelto:

“Don’t curse ME in your foul foreign language!”

NEVER! -But, it is fun to see how much you can get past moderation. The mods are on to me now though so I have to behave [right ha-ha].

244. sheesh:

“Looks like the Tea Party has been replaced by Nerdfest.”

LMAO! I especially love ‘Pirate Day’ when I can say “ARGHHHHHH!” but, the parrot poop down the back of shoulder gets old pretty fast unfortch.

P.S. Don’t be hatin’ on ‘Nerds’!

Jul 2, 2009 - 9:32 am 247. Tom Smith:

Here’s the operative phrase in your article…”like the Wicked Witch dispatching her flying monkeys”. This kind of rhetorical devolution, as well as across the board social devolution, is the direct result of the enormous political power of one sex…female. Until the political power and effects of feminism are addressed, one is whistling in the wind if they want “change”.

Jul 2, 2009 - 10:17 am 248. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Tom Smith
RE: Hey!

…. the direct result of the enormous political power of one sex…female. Until the political power and effects of feminism are addressed, one is whistling in the wind if they want “change”.
— Tom Smith

Ever read THIS book?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The feminist movement died, one milli-second after the first impact. -- Niven & Pournelle]

Jul 2, 2009 - 11:09 am 249. sheesh:

245 CP . . . By the looks of it neither is anybody else.

Jul 2, 2009 - 11:11 am 250. Gaffe Prices:

I wish we’d all just stop bickering and submit to our *new* gay and lesbian overlords.

Now write that down a hundred times, the council has ruled you ‘bad’

Jul 4, 2009 - 1:00 pm 251. FreeStateYank:

As for me, I prefer reason and construct an argument accordingly. That said, when in the course of human events a troll responds in a defamatory manner lacking any semblance of reason, resisting the urge to cry, “bugger off” requires considerable self-discipline. Sometimes I fail.

Jul 5, 2009 - 12:41 pm 252. Gaffe Prices:

#251: Happens to the best of us.

Jul 6, 2009 - 4:55 am

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