According to Ben Smith over at Politico, President Barack Obama gave some theological weight to his health care plan during a phone call to a group of Rabbis the other day. Referring to the belief that God decides during the Jewish New Year “who shall live and who shall die,” Obama told the rebs, “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.”
In response to this statement I would like to make a subtle theological point: No, we’re not. For those of you who aren’t versed in the finer points of theology, let me try to simplify that for you: No. We’re not. Or to put it even more simply: No. We. Are. Not.
Now, I’m not a big Bible quoter. I understand it’s not everyone’s book of choice and doesn’t constitute proof of anything to non-believers. But since the president is talking to Rabbis here and presumably referring to a God they would recognize, let’s go the source and see what the big book has to say. For instance, when God tells Jeremiah (1:5), “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you,” or when he sarcastically asks Job (38:17), “Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? Or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?” does that sound to you like a guy discussing matters with his partners? To me, God really seems to be suggesting there that we humans know sweet suffering goose-egg about the greater mysteries of life and death. Indeed, he seems to feel that the understanding of those mysteries is reserved for him alone and their disposition in his sole power. It’s possible, if properly understood, he might include even Barack Obama in his list of people whose partnership he is not soliciting in these matters.
When facing death himself, Jesus – a talented Rabbi in his own right – asked God to get him out of his perilous situation, but then added, “Not as I will, but as you will,” which suggests to me that even Jesus didn’t expect to partner with his father in these matters. Oh, but I forgot that was only Jesus. This is Barack Obama we’re talking about. Maybe I missed the Biblical exception…
At another moment, when Jesus stilled the stormy sea, his disciples asked each other, “What manner of man is this?” I would like to ask the same question about God’s partner in life and death Barack Obama: “What manner of man is THIS?” Somehow, I don’t think I’ll get the same answer as Jesus’ disciples.
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1. Delia:We can thank the Liberal Media and the fawning, idiotic, BDS voters for helping to foster DohBama’s God Complex into full-on nuttery fruition.
Scary.
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:12 am 2. Bruce:I’m just wondering if anybody is collecting the “divine-isms” of Zero? The number of people who worship every word of this post-modern messiah is really scaring me.
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:19 am 3. Ed Wallis:Oh, come on, now, Andrew…
given the narcissism and magalomania of this President,
is it truly any wonder
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:38 am 4. Pascal Fervor:(see: “I’m shocked, SHOCKED! that there’s gambling in this establishment! Your winnings, sir.”)
– though well worth pointing out, as you do – that he would make a statement
of such appalling arrogance (and sacrilege, IMHO…but who am *I* to say?!?).
Those who follow my blog, You’re Not Surprised that such a statement would be spoken.
There, the Bible character I identified Obama with is Nimrod. A commenter at my site best described Nimrod’s error this way: “Nimrod, the great hunter, seeing that he had the power of death over all of God’s creation gave him the impression that he was godlike himself. (Not realizing it was the ability to endow LIFE, and not DEATH, that made one a God).”
You see? Nimrod in his hubris assessed that he and God should be able to speak eye-to-eye, as equals do. He convinced his people to help him build the great Tower forever associated with him. You may know how that turned out.
Andrew, I don’t think you have it in you to stave off our Nimrod from whence he is heading, nor to convince enough people that our representatives are behaving like royalty who do not give a damn what their “subjects” think.
God grant that we have the courage to face and strength to repel the horrors to come.
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:39 am 5. George S.:Well put Mr. Klavan.
you expose the fraud in Obama very eloquently.
..I watched and interview yesterday where the commentator pointed out that when convient Obama uses religion as a sales pitch.
What a poser. What a fraud. What a pathetic excuse for leadership.
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:56 am 6. Calvin Ball:Might I point out that it’s precisely this idea that Allah is NOT all-powerful, and thus requires his “servants” to to his bidding, that results in jihad?
These neo-Judeao-Christians want to islamise the almighty J/C God into a community organizer.
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:57 am 7. George S.:save me JESUS ,, save me jewish god ,, save me Tom Cruise
….this is the saddest presidency I have ever seen.
Aug 21, 2009 - 9:19 am 8. ahad ha'amoratsim:#4 Nimrod did not occur to me, but it is a fitting choice. In Jewish tradition, Nimrod was called a mighty hunter (the Hebrew actually translates more accurately as “trapper”) because he trapped men with his smooth talk and manipulated them with words into making him absolute ruler over the. Nimord in Jewish tradition is also the one who threw the youth Abraham into a furnace for destroying Terach’s idols. Hmm, hubris, glib, talks people into giving him unchecked power despite his being no more fit for it than they are — good pick!
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:25 am 9. bibio44:“To me, God really seems to be suggesting there that we humans know sweet suffering goose-egg about the greater mysteries of life and death. Indeed, he seems to feel that the understanding of those mysteries is reserved for him alone and their disposition in his sole power.”
Right again, Klavan. I say shut down those godless research facilities which are trying to ferret out the mysteries of life!
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:27 am 10. trashhauler:The President’s comment reminds me of the old joke: “Most people want to serve God – but strictly in an advisory capacity.”
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:48 am 11. jb:Priceless!
Extremely well put.
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:56 am 12. myna:How convenient for President Wee-wee to invoke God now. Cannot find someone to sell his healthcare clunkers?
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:56 am 13. Rob Crawford:*sigh*
How much do you think “bibio44″ gets paid to act like a complete idiot in public?
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:57 am 14. bigd:@bibio 44-
Wrong, N/T.
You can search all you want, God has no problem with us trying to figure out the mysteries of life, but it is a problem when man and his puny understanding of.. oh, everything, makes a factual claim to be a peer/partner with God in ANYTHING.
Mankind doesn’t even know how little he knows.
Godless or otherwise research facilities that try to figure out any mystery, life, death, evolution, a grand unifying theory, etc etc are perfectly fine with God. He’s already said so in a set of guidelines he published a while back. There were 10 of them and set the ground rules for mortal mankind operating here on this earth.
Take a look at #1. Unless it’s been modified to say “and Barack Obama and people in his administration” then that’s the point Klavan is trying to make, at least in part.
The hubris of Obama is staggering, when you also consider the church he attended and the vile hatred preached by his pastor for 20 years, it becomes nauseating. Oh yeah, he missed all THOSE sermons.. yep yep.
Thanks Andrew for putting that so succinctly.
Aug 21, 2009 - 10:58 am 15. Kent:bibio44,
Take arguments to extremes much?
Research into biology is perfectly Christian in that, as hundreds of years of scientific/ theological experts will tell you, it gives a greater appreciation of the creation and the Creator. It also opens the issue that the more we learn, the more we learn that we have to learn yet. It never ends. Even atheists acknowledge that much – there is good job security in science, because you will never learn EVERYTHING in your lifetime.
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:01 am 16. Trouble:Right again, Klavan. I say shut down those godless research facilities which are trying to ferret out the mysteries of life!
Ohferchrissakes.
Thatisall.
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:04 am 17. hBG:bibio: assume a /sarc tag?
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:14 am 18. malclave:there’s a difference between trying to discover a mystery and arrogantly claiming power or knowledge one does not have.
“whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad”
— Euripides
Clearly, Obama was referring to himself, using the royal “We” in his role as God-King.
Hmmm… Obama as goa’uld, with ACORN and the SEIU as his Jaffa? Quick, call Col. O’Neill!
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:24 am 19. RebeccaH:To me, God really seems to be suggesting there that we humans know sweet suffering goose-egg about the greater mysteries of life and death.
I’ve never seen human understanding (or lack thereof) of God and the Universe articulated so succinctly. I’m stealing that phrase, thanks.
As for our current president: I believe he is a man who hasn’t the depth to truly believe in anything, and who will sayanything if he thinks it’s what his audience wants to hear. Shallow, empty suit, narcissistic, cynical… these descriptors just aren’t enough.
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:25 am 20. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:I got it. It’s royally wee-weed up from the royal “we”. Rahmbo needs to tell him the holy water is clear. Don’t used the yellow stuff.
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:38 am 21. Roderick Reilly:“”"”Obama told the rebs, “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.”
In response to this statement I would like to make a subtle theological point: No, we’re not. For those of you who aren’t versed in the finer points of theology, let me try to simplify that for you: No. We’re not. Or to put it even more simply: No. We. Are. Not.”"”"”"
Thank you, Mr. Klavan! Finally, someone, instead of dancing around getting indignant about Obama’s obtuse use of religiosity like so many other critics of Obama’s conference with the rabbis, you zeroed in on that one, important, crucial stunning statement.
I even just gave poor Mr. Beloit elsewhere on Pajama’s Media a hard time for not latching onto those words by the President boldly enough. Obama’s words are very clear and succinct in the menace of their meaning.
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:39 am 22. Calvin Ball:Did Obama just justify the death penalty?
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:46 am 23. Choey:I’m shocked but not surprised that the Pompous Twit of the US (PTOTUS), would put himself on an equal footing with God.
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:48 am 24. JMH:Clearly a case of misplaced punctuation.
We are God’s partners in matters of life and death
was probably supposed to be
We are gods. Parners in matters of life and death
Aug 21, 2009 - 11:59 am 25. Moho:Really? Because this is what’s on the twitter feed:
Default_profile_bigger jlm548
1.
My lack of tech literacy results in a huge mistake — apologies to all for my tweets this afternoon. They have been deleted.6:10 PM Aug 19th from web
2.
Obama: “shanah tovah to all of you”8:45 AM Aug 19th from web
3.
My annual dilemma — do I talk about matters of the soul or about moral questions in the HHDs? Trying to decide…2:05 PM Aug 16th from web
4.
Will the last Republican out the door please turn off the light?1:54 PM Jul 3rd from web
5.
When the woman with the squirrel in her shirt is the third-most bizarre news story of the day, you know things are a little weird…6:16 PM Jun 30th from web
Just the Shanah Tovah. Nothing too offensive there, even by the standards of the politically correct nellies like Klavan. I went to all of the other ones as well, and couldn’t find this comment or anything like it. I’d like to call you a liar, Klavan, but I know you’re not really that smart. You’re just regurgitating something you read elsewhere, and you don’t have the smarts to verify it for yourself. Be my guest anyone who doubts me, look it up yourself…
This is the original Politico article:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/We_are_Gods_partners_in_matters_of_life_and_death.html?showall
And the Twitter accounts linked to by Smith:
Aug 21, 2009 - 12:05 pm 26. Matt Knowles:http://twitter.com/jlm548
http://twitter.com/JYuter
http://twitter.com/RabbiBaum
Moho, wow, so because the original source deletes his tweets, you accuse Klaven of making it up out of whole cloth? Classy.
Aug 21, 2009 - 12:49 pm 27. hitnrun:@bibio44: Nice straw man. This commentary by Klavan is a rebuttal to Barack Obama’s invocation of the will of God (!) in defense of his proposed death panels.
If you have a problem with cretinous superstitious religious hicks talking about God in the first place, take it up with your Messiah.
Aug 21, 2009 - 1:00 pm 28. » Daily Links III - 08/21/09 NoisyRoom.net: Where liberty dwells, there is my country…:[...] A Subtle Theological Point.) …… [...]
Aug 21, 2009 - 1:02 pm 29. Professor Guvinoff:Superman decides to play God by teleconference (why not?), and generously offers to teach the rabbis and other clergymen a thing or two about their moral duty to help him convert full-fledged citizens into mere subjects.
Thanks for returning the promotion, superdude!
Meanwhile, Sarah Palin promoted herself to the rank of private citizen, from which she manages to score a few well-targeted points.
Jefferson was right!
Aug 21, 2009 - 1:02 pm 30. Moho:Matt Knowles, reading is fundamental. What I said:
I’d like to call you a liar, Klavan, but I know you’re not really that smart. You’re just regurgitating something you read elsewhere, and you don’t have the smarts to verify it for yourself.
In your case, the fact that you’re a liar, given how close my original comment was in position on this page to yours, doesn’t negatively impact your level of stupidity.
Now, its not Klavan’s fault, I suppose, that the original comments that the Politico article referenced are simply nowhere to be found ON ANY OF THE TWEETS listed. I mean, its not like he’s a journalist or has to abide by any of the standards of accuracy that the profession ostensibly requires. As I said, he’s an idiot, not a liar.
Aug 21, 2009 - 1:06 pm 31. Calvin Ball:DNFTT
Aug 21, 2009 - 1:51 pm 32. William Goodell Frost:If life is a right that comes from gov.’t (read men), then it is a right that can be taken away. Chilling
Aug 21, 2009 - 1:59 pm 33. Donna Marie Majoros Oswald:We are not God’s partners in anything and most of the Christians/Catholic faith understand that we are God’s children.
I have no sympathy for the devil, his czars or his ministers.
Typical liberal response dismiss, demean and defecate on any soul that is not in agreement with them.
Rather the engage in productive dialogue. Interesting comments on the merits of journalism since the left is always ridding on the sit and spin.
Lather, rinse, repeat!
Aug 21, 2009 - 2:03 pm 34. Brian M.:@Moho
“Now, its not Klavan’s fault, I suppose, that the original comments that the Politico article referenced are simply nowhere to be found ON ANY OF THE TWEETS listed. I mean, its not like he’s a journalist or has to abide by any of the standards of accuracy that the profession ostensibly requires. As I said, he’s an idiot, not a liar.”
I guess Ben Smith at Politico is an idiot (or liar) too. I’m sure you’ll let him know.
By the way, if you scroll down on Rabbi JYuter’s twitter feed, at 2:54 PM Aug. 20 he references this by comparing it to Bush’s reasoning that God intended us to go into Iraq. He brings up the seperation of chursh/state. It’s linked in the original article.
Aug 21, 2009 - 2:14 pm 35. D. Jason Fleming (djasonfleming) 's status on Friday, 21-Aug-09 22:36:04 UTC - Identi.ca:[...] http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/2009/08/21/a-subtle-theological-point/ [...]
Aug 21, 2009 - 2:36 pm 36. me:I’m not Jewish. But it seems from the source piece that O was quoting a traditional Jewish prayer that contains either the declaration or the concept that “we are God’s partners in life and death.”
there’s no question that obama would say anything necessary to anyone to get his way. But it seems like a fuller analysis of his brush with blasphemy would include a discussion of the context, i.e. the prayer.
Aug 21, 2009 - 3:13 pm 37. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Sooooo…..
….now The One thinks he’s on a par with God: deciding who will live and who will die.
The ‘death panel’ hasn’t been more obviously displayed than THIS comment.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 21, 2009 - 3:27 pm 38. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth is coming out....Obama is a megalomaniac with delusions of godhood.....]
TO: All
RE: Getting the Church Involved….
….has some interesting ramifications vis-a-vis their 501c(3) status.
If they take up an obviously partisan activity from the pulpit, and they come out in opposition to it….
….I have to wonder if the IRS will be paying them a visit.
Therefore, only the so-called ‘progressive’ congregations get a chance to voice their opinion without fear of retribution.
Interesting….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 21, 2009 - 3:31 pm 39. BLASPHEMY » Cold Fury:P.S. So much for the ‘progressive’ approach to ’separation of church and state’…..
[...] Wall Guestbook BLASPHEMY Posted in Heh by Mike Aug 21 2009 TrackBack Address. Klavan commits the sin of presuming to correct the Lyin’ Messiah: According to Ben Smith over at Politico, President [...]
Aug 21, 2009 - 3:45 pm 40. Calvin Ball:The answer to that is pretty obvious. The more interesting question is what happens when Rev. Lovejoy proselytizes for single-payer. This government may not want to do anything, but there will be no end of ex-parishioners who won’t sleep until his church loses it’s tax exempt status.
Go ahead, Rev. Make my day.
Aug 21, 2009 - 4:20 pm 41. roba roba:moho
i think you are wrong. look at what has happened. klavan throws out a little red meat and his followers go into a feeding frenzy and he gets a lot of “atta boys”. his readers dont care if its true or not as long as it gives another excuse to lay into obma and the dirty liberal anti-christs. the real facts here would just get in the way.
Aug 21, 2009 - 4:35 pm 42. Obama thinks he’s God | Billoblog ®:[...] [...]
Aug 21, 2009 - 5:17 pm 43. ELC:Far be it from me to disavow that Obama might very well mean something other than what he said; and given that we have only a few words taken out of their context; however, I don’t see anything in the quoted remarks themselves that is incompatible with Catholic doctrine.
On Providence and Secondary Causes
Aug 21, 2009 - 5:32 pm 44. Dred Scott:“Walkin’ around money…”
Aug 21, 2009 - 5:41 pm 45. Clemento:In truth, immediately i didn’t understand the essence. But after re-reading all at once became clear.
Aug 21, 2009 - 5:47 pm 46. Moho:Looks like Benoit is trying to clean up your crap reporting Klaven, but it won’t wash.
Aug 21, 2009 - 5:49 pm 47. Herschel Smith:Obama is a statist. Statism is evil because it usurps the authority of God. Therefore Obama is evil. It’s formidable logic, isn’t it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOrKVU_0dw
Aug 21, 2009 - 6:13 pm 48. found it here as well:quote is also reported here:
http://washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=57&SubSectionID=76&ArticleID=11291
Aug 21, 2009 - 6:36 pm 49. Jack Okie:ELC:
You are reaching. One could probably say that I was a co-worker of the CEO of the company I retired from; I was most certainly not his partner.
me:
If you can point to anything in the U’Netaneh Tokef that implies we are “partners” of G_d, you should show it to us. I see nothing of the sort.
Aug 21, 2009 - 6:39 pm 50. matt:I just blogged on the same thing.
Aug 21, 2009 - 6:48 pm 51. Crusader:So can I call Obama a left-wing theocrat?
Aug 21, 2009 - 7:14 pm 52. Mano:“We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.”
I really think most people do not fully understand the ramification of this announcement. Freud would have a field day. This boarders on the psychosis of megalomania. We are seeing and hearing it with “the One’s” statements of fiction as facts. He is delusional.
Aug 21, 2009 - 7:18 pm 53. cowboy.tom:AMEN, brother. Reminds my of all of Satan’s “I Wills” in Ishiah
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:00 pm 54. Delia:Hey, DohBama, try as you might, you can’t throw God under the bus when he won’t do your bidding.
Aug 21, 2009 - 8:33 pm 55. Obama gets religion « Internet Scofflaw:[...] Andrew Klavan makes another important point: According to Ben Smith over at Politico, President Barack Obama gave [...]
Aug 21, 2009 - 9:31 pm 56. Andrew Klavan Makes a Subtle Theological Point. « American Elephants:[...] [...]
Aug 22, 2009 - 12:32 am 57. furious:As I recall, Lucifer was cast out from Heaven, and Adam and Eve from Paradise, for thinking themselves G*d’s partners/equals.
We are gods. Partners in Life and Death.. Classic, and sauce for the goose.
Aug 22, 2009 - 5:31 am 58. Moho:Furious–>
As I recall, Lucifer was cast out from Heaven, and Adam and Eve from Paradise, for thinking themselves G*d’s partners/equals.
Funny, I don’t recall that. When did that happen?
Aug 22, 2009 - 7:21 am 59. Assistant Village Idiot:Moho. Possible it was on Moline’s tweets at some time, or is that impossible? Only if it is known to be un-true do you have warrant for an accusation of lying. The most you can say otherwise is “not proven, and here is what I think more likely.”
Switch to decaf, dude.
Aug 22, 2009 - 7:24 am 60. Fred Beloit:Klavan: “In response to this statement I would like to make a subtle theological point: No, we’re not. For those of you who aren’t versed in the finer points of theology, let me try to simplify that for you: No. We’re not. Or to put it even more simply: No. We. Are. Not.”
Look, Andrew, if you’re going to be a first-class blogger you have got to make your meaning clear and stop the namby/pamby, complex prose. Get to the point, for God’s sake.
Aug 22, 2009 - 7:36 am 61. Pascal Fervor:Here’s your answer Moho.
Aug 22, 2009 - 7:37 am 62. Fred Beloit:#58
Hahaha, Moho S.J. received his doctorate degree in Theology at the University of Paris in…when was it, Moho, 1598?
“Funny, I don’t recall that. When did that happen?”
Always on the hunt for heretics these theologians.
Aug 22, 2009 - 7:51 am 63. He Thinks He’s God and He Wants to Kill Me! | ninme:[...] Andrew Klavan at PJM: [...]
Aug 22, 2009 - 9:07 am 64. Kenny Burchard:A Christian response to this issue by pastor Kenny Burchard here:
http://kburchard.wordpress.com
The Oasis Journal Online
KB
Aug 22, 2009 - 10:17 am 65. Moho:Asssistant Village Idiot: Possible it was on Moline’s tweets at some time, or is that impossible? Only if it is known to be un-true do you have warrant for an accusation of lying. The most you can say otherwise is “not proven, and here is what I think more likely.:
Here’s the problem.
a) Klavan uses the Politico as his reference for the quote. The first problem with this is that the Moline tweet linked there does not have the quote. The second problem is that there are two other twitter links on that article and neither of them references anything like that. They were not redacted.
b) A Twitter is not a transcript, the person who originally gave the information has for all intents and purposes retracted it. There were other people at the event, other people twittered it and wrote about it, but there is no reference to such a convenient quote.
c) Given that there is no evidence that anyone said this, given the truckload of mendacity already surrounding the “end of life” issues propigated by writers here, given that this is, for all intents and purposes gossip–and not even gossip that the gossiper will stand behind–you’re in a place of little credulity. Its called Pajamas Media.
Aug 22, 2009 - 10:50 am 66. Mikey NTH:Can you raise the dead to life, Mr. Obama?
Aug 22, 2009 - 11:34 am 67. Andrew_M_Garland:Didn’t think so.
Obama and God
Aug 22, 2009 - 11:51 am 68. wolfie:When God talks to you through your inner voice, it is even better than prayer. Obama experiences this every day, in his own words, revealed in a March 2004 interview with a reporter on religious issues. It may be good when a person declares their submision to God. It may be bad when he claims to have a daily conversation.
#65- Moho- “…you’re in a place of little credulity. It’s called Pajamas Media.”
True! ROFLMAO! Sorry, but that is really funny!
Aug 22, 2009 - 2:20 pm 69. Moho:(Look up CREDULITY and CREDULOUS in a dictionary.)
Wolfie–>
Well, I meant credibility. I didn’t have to look it up. But I hope you had fun when you did so. Again, its obvious that you can’t address the points, so you go after spelling errors like a whining little girl.
Aug 22, 2009 - 2:35 pm 70. Pascal Fervor:Well you obviously answer when you think you have a ready answer Moho. I answered you at 58 with 61. ***crickets***
I answered your 65 before you asked it at my blog yesterday around noon. It was in response to another apologist tried your line of denial.
Here, I’ll extract it for you so you don’t have to break your brain clicking on that link.
And just to be clear, Moho, Nobody who still holds with the notion that human life is sacred can’t help but notice the written beliefs of both Ezekial Emanuel and John Holdren, the health plan and science czars respectively. That and the whole Progressive drive to reduce human population and all the other Postmodernist BS makes this “alleged” story credible.
The best you can do is make us consider that Moline was pressured into erasing his own twitter account. Next, can we expect a deja vu from Moline reminiscent of Elian Gonzalez’ father?
All that adds up to why “You’re Not Surprised” was a very accurate title for my blog post about this portrait of Obama the hubrist.
Aug 22, 2009 - 3:15 pm 71. Ed Darrell:But then God issued the Ten Commandments. Does it sound like God is a lone actor in that play?
What, you think we have no duty to help the poor, to cure the sick if we can?
You can refuse partnership with God if you choose. But why would you?
Aug 22, 2009 - 4:36 pm 72. Delia:You gotta love the Libtards who suddenly have use for God [you know, the God they usually mock] when bringing up God can come in handy for their agenda.
Preach on, Libtards. You’re oh soooo convincing!
Not.
Aug 22, 2009 - 6:51 pm 73. Chuck Pelto:TO: Delia, et al.
RE: Typical….
….bolshevik approach to ‘debate’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 22, 2009 - 7:11 pm 74. Calvin Ball:[Yesterday's lie is today's truth. -- Bolshevik politic]
73, which means that to them, God is a useful idiot.
Aug 22, 2009 - 8:15 pm 75. A Subtle Theological Point:[...] Klavan corrects the record on Obama’s partnership with God. Obama told the rebs, “We are God’s partners in matters [...]
Aug 22, 2009 - 8:59 pm 76. rabbi zvi hollander:you are right. we. are. not.!
Aug 22, 2009 - 10:32 pm 77. MochaLite:Good one, Mr. Klavan! BO, please leave us alone!
Aug 23, 2009 - 5:40 pm 78. Pajama Pages » Blog Archive » Infectious Chutzpah:[...] Last week, President Obama told a group of rabbis, “We are God’s partners in matters of life and death.” Besides being a devastating way to refute Sarah Palin’s death panels argument (that’s sarcasm, Albert), it prompted this fine bit of theologizing from Andrew Klavan. [...]
Aug 23, 2009 - 8:04 pm 79. ahad ha'amoratsim:“Moho, wow, so because the original source deletes his tweets, you accuse Klaven of making it up out of whole cloth?”
No, not because the original source deletes his tweets. Because Klavan wrote something Moho didn’t like concerning Obama. Please remember the ground rules: Nothing unflattering to Obama can possibly be true. Ergo, Klavan must have made it up. The moreso because anyone evil enough to disagree with Obama would obviously stoop to anything. QED.
#36 “I’m not Jewish. But it seems from the source piece that O was quoting a traditional Jewish prayer that contains either the declaration or the concept that “we are God’s partners in life and death.”
I am Jewish. For longer than I care to admit, I have heard this prayer 3 times each year – once each on the two days of Rosh HaShanna and again on Yom Kippur. The prayer says nothing of the sort. It says that on this day, G-d decrees who will live and who will die over the next year, and that repentance, righteousness/charity (same word in Hebrew) and prayer can mitigate a harsh decree. The prayer is intended to shock us out of our complacency and focus us on the need to engage seriously in introspection and self improvement. Nothing in the prayer so much as even hints that humans are G-d’s partners in deciding who will live and who will die.
I might add that in the Jewish religion, the obligation of righteousness requires one to give of one’s own money to help the poor. It neither requires nor permits one to take someone else’s money for that purpose. Nor does it require one to support a proposal that would hurt everyone, even if that proposal is being misrepresented as the only way to help the poor.
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Sep 9, 2009 - 4:44 pm 82. Jeanne Titus:Andrew — what a great response to the Narcissist in Chief! It’s a keeper. Obama’s arrogance is just stunning. What a dangerous man he is. He does not realize that someday he will stand before the Creator and answer for his lies and arrogance, and then he will acknowledge Him. Obama will bow his knees before “I AM.”
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