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1. Pajamas Media » Obama Hits the Golf Course, Dithers over Afghanistan:

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Oct 26, 2009 - 3:15 pm 2. Sebastian Shaw:

President Obama will continue to vote “present” given he is a cowardly small little dictator of a cockroach. However, his continual use of splitting the difference will turn into a liability over time since he cannot vote “present” as president. He must take a bold stand on the issues. He won’t.

Oct 26, 2009 - 3:35 pm 3. David Thomson:

“During the campaign, he told us Afghanistan was the necessary war.”

Don’t blame me. I warned people that it was pure bovine excrement. Barack Obama and his leftist allies faked out the middle-of-the-road voters into believing he was more of a military hardliner than John McCain. And it worked! His campaign rhetoric regarding Afghanistan buttressed his so-called moderate image. Now the stuff has hit the proverbial fan. Obama is being compelled to walk the walk—and it ain’t gonna happen. At the end of the day, Obama blames America for most of the evils of the world. Military action will supposedly only make things worse.

Oct 26, 2009 - 3:41 pm 4. biblio44:

Klavan, P. 1: “President George W. Bush had been right to go in, right to stick with it, right to win.”
Klavan, P.2: “Meanwhile, in Baghdad, where Obama has ordered our troops into slow retreat, two massive suicide car bombs claimed hundreds of lives….”

Bush forgot to tell the insurgents that he won.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:03 pm 5. gracie:

When Obama was campaigning he said he would start to bring the troops home from Iraq, but the war in Afghanistan is a war we “must” win. Now he’s not interested in “victory”, and his handlers think they know more than the 32+year veteran in charge in Afghanistan.
Obama’s NOT going to the Berlin Wall because he’s not the center of attention and will be compared to Reagan, and Obama will fall short of a true leader. His handlers realize this.
Face it, Obama does not like us, America.
Today, in nine months, he matched the time playing golf that took G. Bush 2.5 years.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:03 pm 6. dr strangelove:

Obama’s policies look a lot like those from Indochina. In the interim, until he brings to bear his full military acumen, troops are dying. Either wage this war to win it – which means taking the shackles off the military and let them do what they do best, or get the hell out and bring the troops home. So what’s it going to be Mr. President? You can’t ignore this one…

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:03 pm 7. Exactly!:

God forbid, indeed. God may forbid but the mindless celebrity struck American voters did not and elected an egomaniacal nincompoop who preens and struts before a bedazzled, fading press. No wonder the real powers of the world (read: European bankers/Federal Reserve and British Crown/Bush family) selected this vacous empty intellect to do their bidding. He actually thinks he is “smart”. Axelrod runs the marketing campaign, Rahm is the enforcer. A tragic joke on us all.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:14 pm 8. steffi:

My dad fought in Vietnam three tours, the librels wanted to quit in that one, which helped in the killing millions. We left before the job was complete and my dad said that they won all the battles but not the war. If I recall it was armchair warriors in the press and elsewhere that lost that one. I am proud of all warriors who have fought and died to make people free, no matter where the battle is fought. If we sell out our military and let the enemy win we will never be trusted to be an allie of any nation.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:15 pm 9. Dblade:

Look, I’m not a fan of Obama. I didn’t vote for him, and I’m not impressed by how he handles things. But unless you, Mr Andrew Klavan, have that kind of a choice hanging over you, you shouldn’t be talking about dithering and cowardice.

Dude has to decide the fate of a ton of people, and think how to resolve a war. And not any war, probably one of the messiest, long-term arrangements we can have. I don’t begrudge him the choice at all, and if I believed, I’d pray to God he makes a right one. But I’m not sitting back and accusing him of being a dithering coward when I’ll never have to face a choice with that much weight.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:20 pm 10. ETAB:

Dblade – you didn’t campaign to be President, a position that requires that you not dither and that you make decisions.

Obama has been briefed, extensively, by both the full analyis handed over to him by the Bush administration and by McCrystal. Note that Obama wanted the fact that he’d been given a full analysis of the situation, with recommendations, by the Bush administrtion, kept hidden. But, he’s got all the facts he needs. He’s not making a decision, and this is harming the troops and the mission.

Why isn’t he making a decision? First, there is his basic disinterest in the Afghan people and in the reality of Islamic terrorism and the war on terror. He isn’t interested in these realities…he’s only capable of intellectually being involved in issues about himself.

This means that his decision about Afghanistan has become entangled with his own interests. He’s focused on the elections next month, not in Afghanistan, but in the US. He doesn’t want to harm Democrat chances of winning those elections.

biblio44 – well, that’s a pretty ignorant statement. Do you seriously think that moving a population who have been governed for centuries only within tribalism, and in the last generation by a tribal dictator, into a civic mode of governance, which empowers all people not just a tribal elite..can be done in the blink of an eye?It took the West over 400 years, bloody fractious years, to move from their tribalism (feudalism) into a civic mode (democracy) that empowered a middle class.

Afghanistan is a very different war and envt than Iraq. Afghanistan is filled with embedded tribalism, is heavily non-industrial, non-urban..all the opposite of Iraq..and this must be dealt with.

gracie – right, Obama has now spent more time on the golf course than Bush did in 2 and a half years. As well, he’s spent more time fundraising, more time on TV…He never stops with the public appearances and it’s becoming clear that he, psychologically, is addicted to the constant adulation. He can’t handle dissent, criticism..and he also can’t handle serious slogging work of reading, analyzing, thinking through long term effects. That’s why he delegates everything; he’s only the Salesman..and that’s why he fluffs questions about those policies..because he doesn’t have a clue about them.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:45 pm 11. digitalis:

Dblade: Dude, that’s what real Presidents do. He asked for the job. He was full of bravado on the campaign trail about the “good war”. Well it’s his now. The problem is he IS a DUDE. Not a President.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:55 pm 12. Terry:

How tremendously compassionate and gracious you are, Dblade. You would never criticize the president for avoiding a decision because it’s a decision you would not wish to make. Because of your pseudonym, we don’t know exactly who you are, but Mr. Obama ran for election to the office of President of the United States. He was not drafted, he sought the nomination of the democratic party, ran and won the election. This is a job he sought. That he delays and avoids decisions in the performance of that job, we as Americans have the right (look it up, it’s Amendment 1 of the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution) to address our grievances. I, like Mr. Klavan, feel aggrieved by Mr. Obama’s performance as commander in chief of the military forces of the United States. That grievance arises from the lack of action on the part of the man that sought the position to make the decisions he avoids.

Oct 26, 2009 - 4:56 pm 13. Jason S:

“John McCain likes to say that he’ll follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell – but he won’t even go to the cave where he lives.” – Barack Obama

“Just words.” -Barack Obama

Oct 26, 2009 - 5:41 pm 14. The Infidel Alliance:

Is Obama just NOW figuring out his Afghanistan strategy??

Didn’t he have plenty of time before the election and during the past 9 months to think this, one of the most important issues of our day, through?

I fear Obama will, either wittingly or unwittingly, serve the Islamists their victory on a silver platter. Either way, the outcome is dangerous for America and the free world.

~ The Infidel Alliance

Oct 26, 2009 - 5:46 pm 15. homero:

All right, I don’t begrudge Obama the golf. It’s his dithering and cowardice I find shameful.

I think you have put to words the feelings of many many people with this piece.

Oct 26, 2009 - 5:47 pm 16. Annie:

By not making a decision in Afghanistan, the death of more soldiers will be at Obama’s feet.

I find Obama to be a miserable human being, and that is being kind.
Those that voted for “color” and not brains and experience should be exiled to the middle east with Obama.

Go over, tell our people why you are not helping them, and then take their place for one of those extended tours.

Oct 26, 2009 - 5:50 pm 17. Annie:

By not making a decision in Afghanistan, the death of more soldiers will be at Obama’s feet.

I find Obama to be a miserable human being, and that is being kind.
Those that voted for “color”, “words just words”, but not brains and experience should be exiled to the middle east with Obama.

Go over, tell our people why you are not helping them, and then take their place for one of those extended tours.

Obama wouldn’t follow Bin laden to the local Wal Mart much less the cave.. he’d be wee weed up right quick.

Oct 26, 2009 - 5:54 pm 18. kenny komodo:

I’m also a Vietnam Veteran. I still remember how I felt watching our troops and civilians retreat out of Saigon as the NVA marched into the city and claimed victory. We won the military battles, we lost the political and propaganda war. The end result of that defeat was the murder of several million people in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand. Not to mention the enormous loss of prestige we suffered as a country and the damage done to our military for a generation. Now Obambi is headed toward the same cliff with Afghanistan. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to commit more troops and is dithering around, too afraid to make a commitment and to cowardly to admit what his real feelings are. Well this is what the libs and other like minded citizens voted for. I hope you’re happy with your hope and change. I’m also happy that I’ve been retired for many years and do not have to face the choice of fighting for a President with no backbone or getting out of the military.

Oct 26, 2009 - 6:09 pm 19. Paul M Hupf:

The President is grossly inadequate in the field of foreign affairs. The leaders in Iran, the Russians, and others will give him all the publicity he wants in meetings and conferences, but they’ll give him nothing else. And he seems not to realize that he is being taken. Worse he does not realize that his responsibility is to protect the American people, not to the world.

Oct 26, 2009 - 6:25 pm 20. Paul:

Obama wouldn’t follow Bin laden to the local Wal Mart much less the cave.. he’d be wee weed up right quick.”

LOL, Annie. WELL SAID.

Oct 26, 2009 - 7:45 pm 21. Pragmatist:

Why do we hate the Obamanation
Well its not because he is BLACK its because he is RED.
Its not his PIGMENTATION its his POLICIES.
Its his unelected corrupt CZARS.
Its his Health care BOONDOGGLE
Its his Cap and Trade NONSENSE
Its his racist Government CABINET (especially HOLDER)
Its the pathetic complicit DEMOCRATIC PARTY
Its his ISLAMOPHILIA
Its his ‘Marie Antoinette’ WIFE.
Its his RACISM.
Its his inability to speak without his TELEPROMPTER.
Its his Blatant bare faced LIES
Its the fawning ars* licking MSM.
Its his INEXPERIENCE.
Its his INCAPABILITY
Its his LAZYNESS
Its his COMMUNISM
Its his insults to ALLIES
Its his bowing to Arab DESPOTS
Its his Mohammedan ars* LICKING

Oct 26, 2009 - 8:00 pm 22. Gramps Cane:

“All right, I don’t begrudge Obama the golf.”

An evil king once asked his counselor what he (the king) could do for his country. The counselor replied, “Sire, please stay in bed until noon each day. That way the people will have at least a few hours free from tyranny.” Lets keep Obama on the golf course.

Oct 26, 2009 - 8:12 pm 23. Alana:

Obama never listens to anyone. He won’t listen to the military leaders to do what needs to be done.

(Maybe he listens to the likes of Axelrod and Rahm.)

He doesn’t want to commit to anything, either.

As far as I’m concerned, we don’t really have a president right now.

Oct 26, 2009 - 8:32 pm 24. Bender:

This has the makings of being even worse than you say.

Not only is there the potential to lose or otherwise run away from Afghanistan, not only is there the potential to lose what was won in Iraq, but Obama is likely setting us up to lose the next 9-11, and the one after that.

Osama said not to worry about al-Qaeda getting their asses kicked, eventually America would lose the will to fight and would slink away. Now that Bush is gone, the will is gone, and we got folks like M. Kerry, who served in Vietnam, and Eric Holder, counsel of record for Gitmo detainees, helping to turn the war(s) into one giant Charlie Foxtrot. It appears that Osama was right.

It wasn’t America kicking ass that was creating terrorists, it is Obama’s weakness that will and is creating them, giving them new life and new encouragement.

Oct 26, 2009 - 8:37 pm 25. psuedo thomas merton:

Andrew,

I don’t think his lack of action is a sign of cowardice as it is a wink and a nod to his extreme left-wing base, who want to get OUT of Afghanistan as much as they want out of Iraq. However, rather than just ordering the troops home and ending the charade, he keeps them in limbo, not wanting to escalate and so anger his base, but neither wanting to end it all and anger all the rest of us.

Personally, I don’t think he or the Democrats want to win this war, and never have, despite all the rhetoric to the contrary.

In a strange, perverse way, I’m actually hoping Afghanistan becomes the albatross around Obama’s neck the way the left hung W up to dry for Iraq. Let him screw it up–it will only ensure even bigger gains for the Republicans come 2010.

Oct 26, 2009 - 8:44 pm 26. rabba rabba:

Dblade:

right on dude!

all these arm chair warriors on this cite would/will criticize obama no matter what he decides. if he sends troops in, or if pulls out, it will be the wrong decision to them. its like arguing religion with them. if you are a true believer, it doesnt matter what realtiy is. you believe what you belive.

at least klavan admits in this piece that saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction.

and by the way, “i know you, klavan, from the old days.” (see lonesome dove, — blue duck, for the line). klavan likes to come on like he is a tough guy. but he has’s never even been in a fistfight in his life, let alone a really deperate situation. it is not obama who is the lying coward, its klavan and the people like him.

klavan, i have a question. do you read the responses to your cite? or do you just write your piece and then gone on to the next project?

by the way, klavan, they call you “cliff” as in the mailman from cheers on the liberal blogs. i guess they dont appreciate your brillance.

Oct 26, 2009 - 8:47 pm 27. biblio44:

Pssst – Pragmatist (#21) … it’s “it’s”.

Oct 26, 2009 - 8:58 pm 28. Bender:

And about Obama’s statement today during that visit to a Naval base, “I will never rush the solemn decision of sending you into harm’s way” –

More than once, now, I’ve noticed that Obama’s seems to think that the military’s main concern is not being deployed anywhere, and his emphasis is on reassuring them in that regard and downplaying their supposed fears.

But the fact is, being sent in harm’s way is hardly their number one concern, and they are not afraid. Rather, their number one concern is that, if they are in harm’s way, that their commanders are going to send them the help that they need!

Stated another way, in essence and effectively what Obama is saying is, “If you are ever under fire, if you ever need support, if the enemy is stepping up and increasing its attacks, I will not rush to help you. I will not make it a priority to provide you will support and assistance.”

A friend of mine has a son who just graduated boot camp. How very frustrating it must be to have to tell this admirable young man that he must continue to honor the POS that is his commander-in-chief.

“Can’t I just eat my waffle?”

Oct 26, 2009 - 9:01 pm 29. RagnarD:

Andrew writes:

Again, I’m not an expert, but I’m beginning to smell disaster, big time disaster.

The tacit assumption you make is that he wishes success for the troops. But what if the opposite is true? Would he be doing any thing differently? Apply Occam’s Razor.

As for the trolls, well, they are what they are. Trolls.

Oct 26, 2009 - 9:43 pm 30. rfpzzzz:

I won’t forget his arrogant attitude during his cross examintion of Gen Petreus before the Iraq surge. His party voted for the Iraq war and when it got sticky he took full advantage of politics of a difficult war.
Now he stands in Bush’s shoes and we will see his resolve. Oh well, we have medical marijuana!

Oct 26, 2009 - 10:05 pm 31. Richard:

What is this war of which you speak?
Our President has been very commanding in his war on Fox News…

Oct 26, 2009 - 10:28 pm 32. don:

Cowardice? You don’t understand baby boomers of the New Left. In their young adult period, cowardice for them was actually allowing your self to go to Vietnam and risk a “war crime” in a “free fire zone.” For them heroism was going to Canada or Sweden to avoid a “free fire zone,” and getting to enjoy free love and an amnesty from prosecution when the war was over. A free fire zone is a consensually agreed upon area in which anything goes, like the beaches of Normandy in WW2; I suppose the civilian version is sort of like a Height Street hippie crash pad over run with gonorrhea. A chicken hawk is a baby boomer from the New Left who never showed up to fight with their fraternal brothers in the Vietcong, but they were into the Uncle Ho cult of personality and Chairman Mao, and playing lots of golf.

Oct 26, 2009 - 10:53 pm 33. tc:

Patience shall remain a virtue. However, what you do with your patience is what makes it virtuous. Claiming patience while demonstrating a penchant for overt leisure should be seen through the eyes of a mother of a young Ranger.

The most solemn duty of a President is to understand the precious treasure in his care. For it is he, and he alone, who bears the authority and the responsibility for what consequences they face. I would encourage our new president to recognize this fact. Mothers, wives and children would appreciate it.

Oct 26, 2009 - 11:02 pm 34. Klavan On The Culture » Do Something! « Snow Report Blog:

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Oct 26, 2009 - 11:21 pm 35. Judith:

Why commit aqnother 40,000 US soldiers if we still won’t define the enemy…the Jihadists…not just Al Queda…not the “moderate” Tailaban. Until the war is understood to be an ideological one of civilized Western beings against 7th century barbarians who believe in Islamic supremacy, than just building roads & schools in Afganastan is a waste of our blood & treasure. Obama is too busy coddling dictators & appeasing the Muslims to be a leader w/ vision w/ an eye on victory…better to cut our loses now.

Oct 27, 2009 - 12:05 am 36. Bogdan of Australia:

Obama doesn’t dither. He knows what he is doing. Appart from destroying the economy, his other strategic aim is to damage irreperably morale of the American Armed Forces, se they will never be able to conduct any meaningful and effective military operation abroad.

Obama is a demon, a parasite and a traitor.

What he doesn’t understand and cannot foresee though is that he is leaidng not only the US but also the entire world to a tragedy which will, ultimately, cost his own scalp.

It is unfair to compare Obama to Hitler (yet), of course, as he has not such a vision a wish to murder large number of people in order to realise his insane concepts.

However, as the law of unintended consequences tells us, the global processes he has already unleashed will lead the world to such a scenario.

Take Goebbels, for example. That guy has also had his own dreams (as twisted as they were) about the better world and believed that the end justified the means.

How has it worked for him? He has ended with poisoning his own children and shoting his own wife.

Obama is incapable of grasping that in the world he is dreaming of creating, even his own daugters will be wors off. Less free, less happy, and perhaps less alive.

And that is a main feature of an evil genius; the permanent inability to predict his own demise…

Oct 27, 2009 - 12:26 am 37. Mike Murray:

Obama refuses to be “rushed” on an Afghanistan decision. As did OJ before him, he’s searching for answers — on golf courses. (Sorry. Couldn’t resist.)

On a serious note, anyone who believes that America’s current Commander in Chief is simply being careful and reflective — instead of actually dragging his feet — isn’t really paying attention. Candidate Obama said Afghanistan was a “war of necessity.” One that America had to win.

That was then (when he was simply looking to secure votes by bashing Bush); this is now (when he actually has to govern). The former was easy. The latter, hard.

Leftists allowed Obama to blather on about the importance of Afghanistan when doing so was part and parcel of demonizing Dubya (who was, they said, focusing his attention on the “wrong war”). But, now that Obama has ascended to the presidency, those same (dovish) liberals want America out of Afghanistan — ASAP.

Obama on Oct. 26th stood in front of sailors and tried to channel his best Abraham Lincoln (an act that is getting more pathetic with each repetition) in an effort to buy himself more time. But pithy, borrowed words won’t cut it anymore.

It’s well past time for Obama to start doing the job he was elected — and is paid — to do. Tedious speeches simply won’t cut it; he can no longer hide behind empty platitudes. They are a poor substitute for indecision and inaction — and the electorate is beginning to notice.

Oct 27, 2009 - 12:42 am 38. Nobama 2012:

Now all the 1966-1975 hair headed peace protesters and Bambie feel trapped in the ‘good war’ they can’t get out of.

Poetic Justice-

Bambie thought his appeasement would work with fundamentalist Muslim harden suicide bombers-
It didn’t.

They are now surrounded on all sides by so many enemies that even his Nobel peace prize won’t slow down the suicide bombing
Koran worshiping hordes.

Its hard to be a Messiah ‘Water Walker’ when you are sinking and the enemy knows it.

In Vietnam we had South Vietnamese, South Korean, Australian, Indonesian, and 36 other countries, but we lost more men, money and equipment than all the other UN troops.

Afghanistan will do us the same.
Remember the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan?
10,000 KIA times 4 wounded.

South Korean ‘Rock’ and Australian troops were as good in battle as any on the peninsula. I trusted them with my life.

I don’t trust the Europeans to support us in Afghanistan-
On the battle field or elsewhere.

They fear the terrorists because they live with so many.

We were trapped in SEA-

The democrat Johnson administration would not let us destroy the main enemy-
North Vietnam and Hanoi.

Now Bambie is trapped in Afghanistan and can’t destroy the bases of the main enemy-

Iran, Pakistan, Damascus and the Soviet Union.

History does repeat itself-

All those that voted for the 1966-1975 democrat hair headed peace protesters and thought John McCain a war mongering hero-

tell me,

How does it feel?

Oct 27, 2009 - 12:54 am 39. Vietnam Vet- 67-70:

“This man ‘Obama’ has a spine made out of steel”

Joe Biden… 2008

lol……..

Oct 27, 2009 - 1:02 am 40. firefirefire:

Afghanistan/Iraq will be to 0bama what The Little Big Horn was to Custer.
A total and crushing defeat.
President Lack of Action.
FORE!

Oct 27, 2009 - 2:35 am 41. vivo:

Who cares what right-wingers think about golfing and Afghanistan?

I rather see a president golfing than choking on pretzels (drinking) or hearing celestial voices (hangovers). After seven years of dithering in Afghanistan now they demand urgent action. Shut up!

Oct 27, 2009 - 3:06 am 42. Enjay:

I agree with Alana (comment #23), we don’t have a president right now. There is an absence of leadership and the one at the helm appears to only want to vote present, like he did in Chicago. To reduce our soldiers’ lives in Afghanistan to mere political moves to get re-elected is disgusting.

Oct 27, 2009 - 3:59 am 43. Fearless Leader:

WASHINGTON — A former Marine who fought in Iraq, joined the State Department after leaving the military and was a diplomat in a Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan has become the first U.S. official to resign in protest of the Afghan war, the Washington Post reported early Tuesday.

Matthew Hoh, said he believes the war is simply fueling the insurgency.

“I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States’ presence in Afghanistan,” Hoh wrote in his resignation letter, dated Sept. 10 published early Tuesday. “I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy, but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end.”

War vets against Obamas war?

Oct 27, 2009 - 4:23 am 44. Fearless Leader:

31. Richard:

What is this war of which you speak?
Our President has been very commanding in his war on Fox News…

lol..

I now watch Fox News everyday because Obama has given them such good reviews.

Oct 27, 2009 - 4:31 am 45. Blogs For Victory » Blog Archive » Obama Golfs, the War Goes On:

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Oct 27, 2009 - 4:51 am 46. Cybergeezer:

Wussy? Barack the Speaker is waiting for any of his enemies to challenge him on the golf course! This takes real balls!

Oct 27, 2009 - 5:06 am 47. Cybergeezer:

Biden said “meddle” and was thought to have meant “mettle”;
Baracks meddle shall be tested; I say Barack can meddle with the best of them!

Oct 27, 2009 - 5:10 am 48. Pragmatist:

WOW Biblio44 what a brilliant put down ‘its ‘it’s’ as you say so that really debunks all the valid points I made about your useless LIAR Messiah. What a wonderful intelligent debater you are………….NOT!!!!!!!

Oct 27, 2009 - 5:22 am 49. paul_unalaska:

vivo – ‘great points’. Yeah, as long as your nominee is in the big chair, to *ell with responsibility, job performance (47-47% approval currently), not upholding matters spoken of on the campaign trail (psst.. he’s been President for 9 + months). As well as brushing off protecting our country’s ideals, upholding the Constitution, Bill of Rights (more like dismantling).

Spoken like a true liberal. Darn it, I keep forgetting you’re an, ‘Independent’.

rabba rabba, what was the point of your post? Fist fights, liberal blog site nicknames, etc., I’d say Mr. Klavan has himself an honest to goodness stalker. Good on ya! Your post was as baseless as vivo’s. Hey, a new first at PJM.

As for the WMD’s not being present in Iraq, Obama’s Intelligence team is short on first-hand experience. This can prove to be frightening considering the snafu with Bush’s team. Even the darling of liberal slant, Huffington Post, claimed so.

No, Obama is going to work on ways to get ‘better cooperation from Pakistani and Iraqi Governments’ to ‘combat’ Afghan terrorists, tribes. You know, because these 2 countries do so well in taking care of their own..

Oct 27, 2009 - 5:59 am 50. Never for Obama:

Biblio is obviously an unemployed English major.

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:07 am 51. no fear Obama:

Biblio 44

Your Messiah has a spine of steel-
(hair plugs Joe.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RzGTbfcL3w

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:15 am 52. Instapundit » Blog Archive » ANDREW KLAVAN: Do Something!…:

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Oct 27, 2009 - 6:27 am 53. What I fear most:

About all this dithering is this:

1) That the Democrats have had eight years to come up with their take on the situation;

2) That Obama and his advisers have had since at least September, when it appeared as if they were going to win, to come up with their take on the situation;

3) That they had been briefed by a special commission set up by the Bush administration to come up with their take on the situation;

4) And now, nine months after his inauguration, Obama is STILL voting present.

Who will be the first to ask him if he feels responsible for every soldier’s death that occurs while he’s dithering.

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:30 am 54. Joe:

Obama is destroying the country, and furthermore, he hasn’t a clue about the military. He is costing this country in every way possible, only interested in pushing his socialist agenda. I just hope the electorate remembers this when the 2012 election rolls around. I will really lose faith in the nation if he is re-elected.

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:37 am 55. J:

While my child was being indoctrinated by the teachers union here in MA, he came home one day with that nonsensical argument “war of choice”. Being the daughter of a crippled, WWII Captain (tank destroyer division)I explained to him that ALL wars are by choice. And our choice is victory or defeat, just as every other war has been.

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:56 am 56. 2thman:

I take exception to the golf and basketball. President Lincoln had a cot in the telegraph office in order to communicate with his generals in the field. It’s true, he actually wanted to win the war and keep the United States together; so perhaps, that is an unfair analogy.

How many golf rounds do our young patriots play in the Middle East?

While Obama worries whether his “Political” decisions will cost him votes in congress and whether military actions will reduce his stature in the Muslim World and Europe, our troops worry over making mistakes that will cost them their lives.

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:59 am 57. TMLutas:

It is possible for this President to make a right military decision. Devolving the hostage rescue decision tot he commander on scene off Somali waters was correct and Obama made a good call.

His decisions in Iraq and Afghanistan are not so blessed so far. Iraq’s more of a mixed bag as Obama’s quicker pace of withdrawal has left the opportunist anti-americans scrambling. They had been counting on depending on our arms while scoring political points off of us in nationalist demagoguery. Once they came face to face with Obama’s just barely responsible pace of quick departure, they had to grow up, fast. Obama’s changed the proportion of US dead to Iraqi dead so that there are fewer US casualties and a higher risk that the cleanup won’t be finalized.

We have a bipartisan strategy when we are in a two medium sized war situation, hold on one front, quickly win on the other, and then send the victorious troops over to the holding front and win there. It’s called win hold win. Counterinsurgency is a slow process so the execution of win hold win is looking like molasses but it is exactly what we’re doing. This is why Bush was right to keep Afghanistan starved for men and Obama is irresponsible for doing the same thing. We have a two act play and Obama’s behaving like we’re in Act 1 when it’s obviously Act 2.

We should be having a national conversation on win hold win and whether it’s working for us. We should be arguing whether we want to telescope a two regional war scenario out to a decade plus of warfare which is what’s going to happen with counterinsurgencies tacked on the end of the conventional fighting. We’re not having that conversation. We should be.

I’m sympathetic to the logistical problems of stuffing that many men and adequately supplying them in Afghanistan. This is not easy stuff. I’m not so sympathetic to the sight of a supposedly good speaker not identifying and educating the american people on the problems. That would cost relatively little and Obama’s not doing it.

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:59 am 58. MarkJ:

rabba rabba,

“at least klavan admits in this piece that saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction.”

Hey Stupid, yeah YOU. Try this little exercise:

Imagine you’re President. Imagine it’s after 9-11. Imagine you’re being informed by multiple domestic and international sources that Saddam is developing WMD’s. Imagine you know that Saddam has not only developed chemical weapons, but has also irrefutably used them on several occasions against his own people. Imagine you know for a fact that Saddam has been a consistent supporter of terrorists and terrorism for years. Imagine you know that the UN Oil-for-Food program is rapidly crumbling through apathy and even outright corruption.

Imagine you know all that. Then imagine you have to make a decision about Iraq or you could soon be facing a “9-11 on steroids.”

What do you do?

Ruminate on that, rabba-boy.

Oct 27, 2009 - 7:00 am 59. Delia:

Livin’ large but, definitely NOT in charge.

“…Every time our soldiers face an enemy gun
Dohbama concentrates on gettin’ a hole in one.”

It’s a wonderful BIG life on the golf course?

Sarc/

WHO IS IN CHARGE????????

Oct 27, 2009 - 7:23 am 60. David S:

Eight years of wasted efforts in Afghanistan, distracted by the pointless invasion of Iraq, and now the right wants to tell Obama how to do it?

Excuse me while I laugh my head off.

The war in Afghanistan is Obama’s now – unless you want it back, take his advice and sit on your hands for a while. Cheney has already embarrassed himself by trying to take Obama to task for failures that preceded him.

Bush & Co were in Afghanistan for almost eight years, and failed miserably. Moving toward a stable and democratic Afghanistan is not an easy thing – not a situation where one should just “Do Something”. That’s the kind of thinking that led us into Iraq without a purpose or a plan.

I want Obama to take as much time as he needs – not to move rapidly into harms way, at the cost of American and Afghan lives. Doing it right is better than doing it fast. Bush tried to “Do Something” and all we got was endless war – I think Obama can do better.

Peace.

DS

Oct 27, 2009 - 7:24 am 61. Joan of Argghh!:

Poverty of Action.

He keeps voting, “present,” and I don’t think it means what he thinks it means.

Oct 27, 2009 - 7:39 am 62. Delia:

As already mentioned…

THE DEMONCRATS had 8 years of complaining about Bush’s evil warzzzzz to come up with their OWN plan.

EIGHT FRIGGIN’ years and ya got ZIP! NADA! Zilch! NUTTIN’ and DohBama SHWINGS a club!

Oct 27, 2009 - 7:44 am 63. Nobama 2012:

Obama swings a golf club and snatches the jaws of defeat from victory.

Sometimes I go to the u-tube and watch President Bush speak about his war against terror,
trying to save our economy and asking us to vote for a conservative President.

My God-
has it only been 9 months since he left office?

It seems like 9 years!

Oct 27, 2009 - 8:02 am 64. john from cinncinatti:

taliban thinks they can run with us because of what they did with the russians. they don’t want to die like the other jihadist, so when we engage them it should be strictly our A game. we have air superiority, any time we have contact we should have our air assets stacked up like they were flying into O’hare on a summer day. sooner or later they will get tired of dying, and it might take a generation to get rid of that thinking.
changing a culture as we all seem to notice takes trauma or a fabian slide, or education to change.

Oct 27, 2009 - 8:19 am 65. bibio44:

48. Pragmatist: “WOW Biblio44 what a brilliant put down ‘its ‘it’s’ as you say so that really debunks all the valid points I made ..;.”

Your points are as valid as your command of basic English, which is again demonstrated in the above sort-of sentence.

Oct 27, 2009 - 8:32 am 66. Carol:

I’ll tell who is NOT dithering: those sworn to victory across the seas who watch in joyful astonishment, praising Allah for giving them Obama as a gift. In response, they are making big, bloody plans for the new year, I have no doubt.

I do pray that our leadership is guided rightly, and I pray for the best of America — our volunteers — who stand for us so far away.

Oct 27, 2009 - 8:37 am 67. Byron Dickens:

One of the differences between liberals and conservatives is that liberals talk about doing things while conservatives do them.

That’s why Barry seems to dither. To someone like him talking IS doing.

Oct 27, 2009 - 8:44 am 68. RickGreenville,SC:

Kenny Komodo: Thanks for your service!! To all you vets out there ( from Vietnam on): THANK YOU!!! obama is a traitor to this country. Will he be brought to task for it? Who knows? To little davey: Bushs’ endless war in Iraq?! I thought it was a success? Your fearful leader wants to take the troops out cause we won.So while the “o” takes his time, you are ok with more soldiers getting killed/wounded ? Inspite of the advice of commanders in the field who know what is going on? You are a total putz!!! You obviously dont know anyone who is over there now protecting your sorry ass. . .

Oct 27, 2009 - 8:49 am 69. Poor Citizen:

If you had fix so many disasters from the previous president, wouldnt you need a break too?

This president takes a break while the last one never worked. When its done right after eight years of ineptitude the right way is almost unrecognizable. Besides, golf is important.

Oct 27, 2009 - 10:37 am 70. Tish:

“Obama wouldn’t follow Bin laden to the local Wal Mart much less the cave.. he’d be wee weed up right quick.”

I don’t know, I’m thinking they’d become fast chums.

Oct 27, 2009 - 11:22 am 71. Tish:

Can he vote not present?

Oct 27, 2009 - 11:25 am 72. Tish:

“all these arm chair warriors on this cite would/will criticize obama no matter what he decides. if he sends troops in, or if pulls out, it will be the wrong decision to them. its like arguing religion with them. if you are a true believer, it doesnt matter what realtiy is. you believe what you belive.”

The problem is duuuuude, bambi isn’t making ANY decision. The last thing Oblunder wants is a lasting decision on his record. He’d rather vote present.

Oct 27, 2009 - 11:33 am 73. Marc Malone:

#42 vivo – There was no dithering on Afghanistan by Bush. It was a very low-level insurgency. The fight was in Iraq for both sides. We’ve had 280+ casualties in the last four months. That’s about half as much as the entire rest of our time in Afghanistan. Iraq was portrayed as a disaster when we were up to 100+ casualties per month. We’re almost there in afghanistan. There’s been plenty of time to make a decision.

If Emanuel hadn’t brought in all the political questions, Obama would have given McChrystal what he needs already. Politics is getting in the way while troops are dying.

#69 Poor Citizen – So many disasters from the previous Prez? Seriously? Like what? Iraq was a done deal. Afghanistan had not yet started to really heat up. The wars were under control. The economy had tanked, but the Dems in Congress caused that. The Pubbies tried to head it off, but the Dems filibustered the effort.

If the government had just stayed out of the economy, it would have recovered by now. Instead, they’re still tinkering, and the businesses are cowering in their bunkers as a result. bush got that part wrong, and so has Obama.

Oct 27, 2009 - 11:38 am 74. tommyd:

Barack sez:

“uhh uhh Afghanistan? umm ummm I vote uhh “Present” umm”….

” Now let me make this perfectly clear, I’ll destroy FOX NEWS”…

And he will blame the soldiers and republicans for his bed-wetting failure.

Oct 27, 2009 - 2:20 pm 75. sususis:

To #41 maybe Bush did drink when he was younger but I do believe that our wonderful president of today admitted to doing cocaine, but that is ok? You don’t have a clue about reality perhaps you too indulge, so you should SHUTUP!

Oct 27, 2009 - 2:34 pm 76. deguello:

The Marxoid Dweeb is out playing Tiger Woods while Afghanistan burns.What a disgrace!

Oct 27, 2009 - 3:03 pm 77. Papa Ray:

The real disaster is the preception that our troops (including the Officers), the world at large and the Taliban and other Islamic Extremists are taking away from Obama’s dithering and posturing.

That is the primary disaster. It is also holding up any U.S. and NATO planning, which in of it self is not too bad because they seem to just be pulling our troops further back from exposed positions right now.

I keep up with this because I have two grandsons in this fight. I have read and read most everything about Iraq and Afghanistan. I believe that most people that write about it don’t know a damn thing about what they are saying or writing. Just copy catting and guessing and BSing.

I’ve also talked to in person, and had email correspondence with well over a dozen enlisted and officers, both Army and Marine that have had tours in Afghanistan. I’ve also had (long ago and far away) on the job training in a “small war”. None of this makes me more of an expert than most, yet it does allow me to put my opinion out there.

One of the people that I do believe is Michael Yon. Three years ago he said that NATO was losing it’s ass fast in Afghanistan and that major efforts would be needed just to meet the level of violence, let alone make the population safe and to turn them away from the bad guys. The Afghans are not stupid they go with the strongest and most dangerous. That is the way they have stayed alive. In order for us to prevail, we must convince them through word and deed that we are not only the strongest but will be able to help them live a better safer life.

Yon also was calling out for more helicopters and assets, not just for the U.S. But for especially the Brits. To date the Brits (and others) still have a dangerous shortage and the U.S. does not have near enough. There is also not enough airframes for surveillance. When you lack air assets, ground troops in contact suffer. They also have to drive and walk among the IEDs that account for over 80 percent of causalities.

Yon has also been critical of the big bases. He maintains that the troops need to be out living among the Afghans and involved with them on a daily basis in order to win their trust. The Afghans also don’t understand that if we are there to stay, why we live in tents and fancy shipping containers. They say we should build proper houses and buildings.

There are many factors involved in why the Afghan war and Iraq war (I call them battles in the same war) are different. But one of the major reasons is that Pakistan is much more involved in Afghanistan than Iran ever will be in Iraq. To “win” in Afghanistan we must also win at the same time in Pakistan. In the minds of many of the tribes they are the same country, separated by just a line that the UN drew. Which is not and never was recognized by many of the various tribes, anymore than we would recognize one wave in the ocean separating one ocean from another.

To get a little background go to Michael Yon’s website and start reading from as far back as you care to go to get an idea of the deep crap that we have stepped into and sunk up to our ears in. He mentions other sources of info in his “dispatches” as well, including other journalists that have been there and done that.

While your there, hit his tip jar. It is the ONLY source of revenue he has other than his book sales. You should also buy his books too. Great reads and will leave you in amazement at our Warriors and their exploits.

Someone said that the Afghans were still back in the stone age. they are almost right except these Islamic caveman tribes know how to use almost every modern weapon there is and how to make a lot of them. The Taliban are born warriors and have been at it for for years and so far have never been actually defeated. It is their land and they won’t ever tolerate or stop fighting invaders. This is the mindset that needs modified but it will take decades if it is possible to change at all.

Yon and others have said in all seriousness that it will take most likely thirty to fifty years to bring Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan into the 20th century. Not even the 21st Century. Yon said rather than “nation building” we should adopt the Afghans, just be careful and not say it that way to them. But he compares Afghanistan to unruly teenagers who need not only care, love and support but education in broadest sense.

But all (that I have talked to) that have spent any time there all say that the people are worth saving and that once they are your friend they are your friend for life. That they, like Americans despise a government which pushes them down with false promises, lies and is corrupt. Which BTW, they now have courtesy of the U.S.

Every returning troop I have spoke to or had email exchanges with say that they deserve help climbing out of the past into a future where life and liberty will be more important than corruption, tribal identity, perpetual war and poverty.
But that is how many of our Warriors feel and think, not all of the world nor the democrats or even some conservatives.

Obama and his henchmen (and many Americans) don’t have the stomach for what it will take to even slow down the killing let alone construct what needs to be built in Afghanistan. Notice I didn’t say re-construction, because there is nothing there to re-construct.

The latest request for troops (which is half of what Gen. McCrystal wanted) has become something to be debated over instead of acted upon, and THEN debated. When our Warriors are actively engaged with the enemy is not the time to ask for bi-weekly updates on the debate to be forwarded to this so called “commander in chief” who is out campaigning for various democrats and playing golf.

Those that know say it will take even more troops than Iraq and it will take much more from our NATO “friends” than they will want to give or will give. Right now only about 6 or 7 NATO countries are actually doing any fighting, the rest are there for mainly political reasons. Some don’t know why they are there at all and do nothing to contribute, just costing money.

Training the Afghan Army is not like Iraq either. Most Afghans can’t read and many have drug addictions. Most are only looking for a job and bring no real commitment to being a soldier. Once trained many still have no stomach for fighting the Taliban.
Fundamental Islamics’ are not the same the world over, those in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan are more tribal and then more nationalistic. They don’t want ANYBODY in their country, even as they hate what the Taliban and outside Islamics are doing to their nation. But even as they say that, they admit that the Taliban are still their “brothers”. Both the Taliban in Afghanistan and also to a degree those in Pakistan.

It’s family, tribe and then nation in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

It is indeed a confusing morass and a quandary and Obama and the democrats stand no chance in solving it, because they don’t understand that you have to have security before you can do anything else and to get security you have to kill or capture the bad guys, drive them before you and keep them from terrorizing the population. They don’t understand that to accomplish those conditions you have to have the troops and assets in place, and have a long time effort.

It seems they are more worried about having a perfect democracy there before committing any more military or other assistance. But they have no problems asking our NATO partners to increase their commitment.

Do you think that might be because they don’t really believe that it is in America’s interest to assure that Afghanistan and Pakistan don’t slide into Fundamentalist Islamic rule, turning into nations that would be more of a danger than Iran?

Do you think that they will lose their base or at least the far left of their party?

Who knows how or what they are thinking in the White House. But they need to either make a commitment that will give our Warriors a fighting chance or bring them all home.

Because if we lose over there or leave, all of our troops will be needed on our borders and coastlines.

Here a few links for those interested.

http://tinyurl.com/yfw6stl
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http://tinyurl.com/5sc6ua
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Papa Ray
Used to be West (now) Central Texas

Oct 27, 2009 - 3:08 pm 78. misanthropicus:

Re #3/David Thomson:
[...] “During the campaign, he told us Afghanistan was the necessary war.” [...] Don’t blame me. I warned people that it was pure bovine excrement. Barack Obama and his leftist allies faked out the middle-of-the-road voters into believing he was more of a military hardliner than John McCain. [...]

Typical triangulation – yet, why people did, and STILL DO what Obama says?

Oct 27, 2009 - 3:32 pm 79. vivo:

73. Marc Malone:

“There was no dithering on Afghanistan by Bush. It was a very low-level insurgency.”

Let’s see:

‘At the start of 2007, reports of the Taliban’s increasing presence in Afghanistan led the U.S. to consider longer tours of duty and even an increase in troop numbers. According to a report filed by Robert Burns of Associated Press on January 16, 2007, “U.S. military officials cited new evidence that the Pakistani military, which has long-standing ties to the Taliban movement, has turned a blind eye to the incursions.” Also, “The number of insurgent attacks is up 300 percent since September 2006, when the Pakistani government put into effect a peace arrangement with tribal leaders in the north Waziristan area, along Afghanistan’s eastern border,” a U.S. military intelligence officer told reporters.’

There is no word here that the USA did anything worthwhile since 2007. Was this dithering? Procrastination? Neglect? Military job security?

I’m in the dark here. Is the solution more political than military?

Oct 27, 2009 - 3:39 pm 80. 'boutliberals:

Just goes to show that liberals lie, all liberals. BO’s leftist buddies knew this when he rattled his sabre before the election and paid no attention to it. The moderate chumps are just now waking up to this. Just remember liberals are liars, liars are liberals.

Oct 27, 2009 - 4:39 pm 81. TbT:

I’m no Obama fan but I am a student of history and I was for Iraq war because if nothing else it was a roach motel for jihadist that otherwise would have gone to AFghanistan. Ask the Soviets about a large troop presence in AFghanistan, also keep in mind the Soviets were far less worried about collateral damage than NATO is. More troops equals more supply lines. AGain, just ask the Soviets why they had their asses handed to them there.

Get out of AFghanistan ASAP!

Oct 27, 2009 - 4:58 pm 82. tioedong:

There are two reasons to stablize Afghanistan: India and China.

If the Pushtun Taliban win, they could destablize Pakistan…and the Islamicist’s major enemy is India.

Two: China. It is extending it’s power up the silk road to the southern tier of Islamic nations. China (and India) need the energy that the Trans Asian pipeline would bring.
An Afghanistan that is in a civil war between the Pashtun Taliban and the Northerners will not be a happy place for China…it could spread to their western region, which is their “new frontier” and has millions of Han immigrants.

So why is Obama asking NATO for troops instead of China…and why is the US news media ignoring Asia in this mess?

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:28 pm 83. Now and Then:

knock knock

“What’s the password?”

“Dithering.”

Oct 27, 2009 - 6:42 pm 84. myth buster:

It would be so much easier to just pull all the troops out, drop some nukes, and declare victory.

Oct 27, 2009 - 7:22 pm 85. ned:

Dithering and cowardice? I guess “dithering” is the word of the moment. I’m not sure what 7 years of inattention, poor planning and “success” would be called, but probably not “dithering.” Or 3 months to decide on a “surge” strategy in Iraq. Surely that was neither “dithering” nor “cowardice.”

Cowardice. Well, that word’s just waving a red flag in front of a bunch of non-thinking poised-to-be-angry animals. But that’s the whole point, isn’t it. Stop people from thinking and just get them into the good old lizard brain.

Oct 27, 2009 - 9:15 pm 86. Rachel P.:

As far as Afghanistan goes, Obama is waiting for election day in Virginia and New Jersey to announce any troop increases.
He doesn’t want to upset his left, troll, moronic, socialistic lemmings.

Meanwhile, Obama is doing his best in Iraq to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

All in all, Obama intends to drive America right into the ground. Our debt is now 12 trillion. Our free enterprise system is no longer free. The Supreme Court, thanks to Obama, now has a raving bigot in the name of Soto something. Our weapons systems are rusting away. Our missile defense system is being dismantled. Troop morale is at an all time low. Obama is planning a takeover of the U.S. part of the internet. Obama’s setting up a non profit organization to replace Acorn as the premier vote stealer in our history. The safety of our school children is being managed by a follower of NAMBLA; The same guy who wrote the forward to the book, “The Queering of our Grade Schoolers.”

You know it, and I know it.

Obama is redistributing the wealth of this country using every socialist tactic Saul Alinsky taught him. Obama talks to heads of countries who are tyrants and murderers, yet won’t talk to anybody at Fox News. Obama is planning to set not just the executive salaries of Stiumulus money recipients, but the salaries of all people who work for companies that pay taxes.

If you believe in the ideals of freedom, free elections, freedom of speech etc.,in the American values that hundreds of thousands of brave Americans have fought for; that many have died for, Obama is the train wreck of all train wrecks. Don’t underestimate the depth of his evil. He loathes Democracy. Hates this Republican form of government. And his handlers are planning to shove through an amendment that extends his term from four to six years because they know there’s no chance he’d be re-elected in 2012.

Obama says Fox isn’t a news organization. Well, I say Barack isn’t the President.

He’s just masquerading as one. He breaks laws with impunity while obstructing justice at every turn. Dropping the open and shut case against the Black Panther voter intimidators itself was criminal because he intentionally failed to carry out the laws of the united states. If hiring a tax cheat to head the IRS was the mother of all misfeasance, then having his chief of staff give ACORN legal advice enabling them to squirm out of the hands of justice is the father.

When Obama was sworn in, every word he said was a lie. He is incarnate, the American Tragedy. A disgrace beyond fathom for it is one of biblical proportions.

The tallest tree in a forest of corruption must taste justice. For this man is no commander in chief. Barack Obama doesn’t even come close.

The worst President in the history of the United States deserves justice in the worst way.

Oct 27, 2009 - 9:46 pm 87. Delia:

Maybe stepford prezzy’s TOTUS is broken. Somebody needs to fix the teleprompter asap.

77. Papa Ray,

Thank you for your post and I hope your grandchildren will come home safely and hopefully with victory.

I’m a prayin’.

*heavy heart*

Oct 27, 2009 - 9:55 pm 88. Gaffe Prices:

Right now my friends, civilians are dying in Afghanistan, and it is not at our hands. I repeat, it is not at our hands. Taliban is killing them, cuz remember, there are no “civilian casualties” in their playbook, and that filthy stinking playbook is The Recitation™…

Or so they would have us believe. and so they of weak resolve believed it quite fervently, not to mention the sycophants and trolls who do double duty for His Numb Nuts Sake.

So Übahamas played you for fools when he promised end to war…uh…in Iraq…uh…but…not…uh…uh…in…uh…Afghanistan…uh…uh…thuh…thuh…thuh…good…uh…uh…thuh…thuh…Goood…uh…War!…

He ends the war but fights the, let me get this right…“the GOOD WAR”?

You pathetic whinnying, obfuscating losers, did you think the day of reconing would not come? When events would take account of what your facade of media would not?

he’s yer daddy, now go and love him, he’s having a hard time, he needs your love, he needs it in endless supply. Fight for him, defend him. He know not what he hath wrought. But he needs your love now, that’s what’s important now. That’s what’s important right now.

No I’m not talking about Him, you blithering fools, I’m talking about your priests and priestesses in your savior, the media, it is they who have the hard time right now.

Oct 27, 2009 - 11:38 pm 89. Gaffe Prices:

I’m beginning to think that Dohbama has snatched the jaws from the victory that defeats.

Oct 28, 2009 - 12:01 am 90. Gaffe Prices:

For Delia, (crosses myself) for always coming through. thank you.

#77 Papa Ray,

One of the people that I do believe is Michael Yon. Three years ago he said that NATO was losing it’s ass fast in Afghanistan and that major efforts would be needed just to meet the level of violence, let alone make the population safe and to turn them away from the bad guys. The Afghans are not stupid they go with the strongest and most dangerous. That is the way they have stayed alive. In order for us to prevail, we must convince them through word and deed that we are not only the strongest but will be able to help them live a better safer life.

If I had anything to add it would be this:

One of the people that I do believe is Michael Yon. Three years ago he said that NATO was losing it’s ass fast in Afghanistan and that major efforts would be needed just to meet the level of violence, let alone make the population safe and to turn them away from the bad guys. The Afghans are not stupid, they go with the strongest and most dangerous. Its just Common Sense. That is the way they have stayed alive. In order for us to prevail, we must convince them through word and deed that we are not only the strongest but will be able to help them live a better safer life.

It was the same in Iraq, until the surge; they were willing to risk siding with who(ever) they thought was the most powerful. That’s the same position the Iraqis found themselves before Saddam’s regime was deposed, by us, and 30 other nations that formed the coalition to enforce the 17 U.N. GD resolutions against Saddams regime when he was still in power and Saddams Regime, of course, went on to schedule, and receive 99% of the “vote” in an “election” that was then dutifully and slobberingly reported by an already compromised CNN.

It is always that way in that world. The Afghanis find themselves having to pick the one who they think is winning, and the stronger hand when weakness and indecision clouds the indifference 0bama has pledged (?) on behalf (?) of an internal sectarian inter- Iss-slumic conflict that practically begs, I mean begs “outsiders” (infidels to you and me) to sort the the whole damn thing out. Period.

I’m talking *Sunny*, and Sheee-uh. And that damn fool Dohbama thinks he appeals to some chimera of über-inter-Islamic-meta-unity of Islam that don’t exist, never has, never will. He thinks that just cuz there’s one party rule in chicago that there’s one party rule ever where’s else. No. Got-DAMMIT NO!!

this ain’t chicago, and you ain’t a mayor.

They don’t worship you Obama, never have, never will. Not like your fellow hucksters and hustlers do here. So you better just get that straight. Right here, right now.

Or you could just resign, as you should have done election night when the whole fraud and chimera reached its own zenith, and your own wife rebuffed your efforts to kiss her, right there stage, on live tv, right on stage for ill to see; you had brought her the world, and it still wasn’t enough, not enough to satisfy the insatiable. Someone said Marie Antoinette. ånd that ain’t the bloody half of it.

Oct 28, 2009 - 12:54 am 91. Gaffe Prices:

#86 Rachel,

outstanding, every word of it.

I will not shut up about this, SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

SHOUT DOWN JERICHO WALLS

SHOUT DOWN JERICHO WALLS

SHOUT DOWN JERICHO WALLS

SHOUT DOWN JERICHO WALLS

Oct 28, 2009 - 1:19 am 92. Andrew Klavan: Do Something! « Diary of a Mad Conservative:

[...] Andrew Klavan [...]

Oct 28, 2009 - 7:47 am 93. Vik Rubenfeld:

There is speculation that Obama may be a Muslim. If he is, it would be against his religion to send soldiers into battle against Islamists. Could this be what is causing Obama to act as he is acting?

Oct 28, 2009 - 10:15 am 94. Greg Scott:

Dear President Obama;

Well the fur is really flying out there. People think the feds want to kill their grandma. I don’t blame them considering how much the feds owe grandma, knocking a few off seems completely reasonable – if one is simpatico with the mafia. I hate to be the guy describing the temperature of the water your pinko commie philosophy is about to die in; but I must. I think you can be saved; if you have a “Dick Morris” moment, and I’m not talking about hanging out with a hooker on a balcony, although that might seem like a wise idea soon.
The United States Military has requested backup, give it to them or order them to leave Afghanistan. As in all things either choice has dire consequences; if we leave tens of thousands will be slaughtered because you ordered the troops to exit. If we send in the reinforcements the situation will improve but it will cost more American lives and money – which we are borrowing from Communist China. My Grandfather, nor I, nor my father never would have allowed these Islamo fascist whackos to get this far after September 11, 2001. We would have organized a force established a foothold in Iraq pushed into Iran and into Afghanistan; who ever was left fighting would be killed by the Pakistanis. Sometimes you’ve got to show the enemy your serious. Unfortunately we got a “nation to nation” war and not “idea verse idea” war for the past 9 years and that only leads to disaster. I have no fear a Nazi is going to come get me and throw me in an oven; because we killed so many of them that they decided the greatest health hazard wasn’t high fructose corn syrup it was standing up fighting for evil. You can’t kill someone in a nice way Mr. President and evil people only understand one kind of language, raw force.
You’ve chosen to surround yourself with communist and socialists – throw a few under the bus, use duct tape if you have to. Then bring in some real bonafide free market talent and reboot this healthcare debate with a large portion of what they recommend. Mr. President the free market provides capacity to serve a future need; the socialist systems do not; and the quality sucks. People know this and they do not want to go where you are trying to take them, dulcet tones and well crafted rhetoric aside.
If you don’t do some amalgam of what I’m suggesting in a very short period of time you are going to spend your sunset years swinging a hammer with Jimmy Carter, and remembering the day you were inaugurated as the best day of your life. Watching people like you fail upward is downright painful; but at least I’m not some Afghani that you are about to sentence to death.

Respectfully,

Oct 28, 2009 - 12:29 pm 95. Moho:

Oh come off it, you bald twit. There was no policy there for 6 years and you slept soundly and rarely commented on it in your asinine blog. Now that there’s a Democrat in office, suddenly you are so worried about the troops. Nothing is more disgusting than wrapping yourself up in military death and misery to defend your points. Remember saying this:

“Every single one of our soldiers signed up or re-signed up after 9 – 11. The term, the longest one was 6 years, so every single one signed up after 9 – 11, every single one knew where he was going, what was going to happen to him, and has an idea of why it’s the right thing to do.”

This is simply bull.
Visit this site to see the names of all of the National Guardsmen, some of whom joined the guard before 9-11, who probably never intended to travel to a foreign country as part of their Guard duty. That’s why they joined the Guard, not the military. They didn’t think they’d be sent to another country in a cynical back door draft, nor did they think there’d be pigs like you paid to hide the fact.

http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/Fatalities.aspx

Oct 31, 2009 - 11:07 am

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