Barack Obama’s former longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright,
delivers an incendiary sermon in which he says a black Jesus was
oppressed by whites and “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger.”
6:50 PM UPDATE: As is not uncommon, the shoutfest side of Fox News overplayed its hand. Sean Hannity, who crusaded against John McCain to no avail and learned nothing from the experience,, disqualified himself in real time from interviewing Barack Obama, so the interview was conducted by correspondent Major Garrett. Obama said he wasn’t around for the various outrageous comments. Why he stuck with the guy? He had some answers. I’ll have to review my tape to see if I actually buy them. In any event, he didn’t make a fool of himself.
Meanwhile, the show replayed the Jeremiah Wright stuff repeatedly, including a Hannity & Colmes interview with Wright — in which Wright actually came off better than I expected, although at least one of the hosts doesn’t seem to get it — and had panels stacked with conservatives and a few Democrats, only one of which I’ve heard of. That would be Bob Beckel, who was not so quietly furious.
Not too clever of the Fox producers … Having fired talk show host Melanie Morgan on. Offhand, I forget which of her ridiculous comments she was fired for, but it might come to me over the weekend.
6:10 PM UPDATE: Barack Obama is about to appear on Hannity & Colmes on Fox News. Hannity has just announced that Obama is “finished” as a presidential candidate and is not fit to serve in the Senate.
** WRIGHT/OBAMA UPDATE: Barack Obama is appearing tonight on Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC to discuss the various inflammatory statements by his longtime and now former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (See the video above.) Wright is now no longer a member of the Obama campaign’s African American religious advisory committee.
** OBAMA FINALLY ADDRESSES WRIGHT STATEMENTS. Democratic presidential frontrunner Barack Obama has finally addressed the latest round of past statements by former pastor Jeremiah Wright unveiled in the media — some of them in the incendiary video above — with this column on the Huffington Post.
Wright has made a variety of inflammatory statements, including the allegations that the US government caused AIDS, the 9/11 attacks may have been karmic retribution for US military moves abroad including the nuking of Japan, that blacks continue to be oppressed by whites, that a black Jesus was killed by whites (in the form of Roman Italians), and so forth.
Of course, conservative blogs — such as here, and here — are loving it.
My personal observation: I’ve heard this kind of thing before in black churches, having visited them with Democratic and Republican politicians. A common thread with a number of religions is an ideology of oppression justifying a self-righteous anger. Which may have, well, more than a little to do with one of history’s great and terrible constants: Religious-based warfare.
Does Obama address this stuff adequately? You be the judge. I wouldn’t sit through any of that stuff. (And Obama says that he did not.) But then, I’m certainly not one of the more religious folks around.
The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He’s drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.
Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.
Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.
As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It’s a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.
Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he’s been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.
Let me repeat what I’ve said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.
With Rev. Wright’s retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright’s statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.
** NATIONAL GALLUP POLL: OBAMA LEADS CLINTON. In the new Gallup Poll, Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton, 50% to 44%.
Clinton and Obama were tied, 45% to 45%, the day before the March 4th primaries in which Clinton hoped to stop Obama in his tracks.
Both Democrats are tied with John McCain.
** HUGE CLINTON LEAD IN PENNSYLVANIA. The new Strategic Vision poll of the Pennsylvania Democratic presidential primary on April 22nd shows Hillary Clinton with a huge lead over Barack Obama, 56% to 38%.
This may be Hillary’s strongest state outside her home state of New York. It’s an old-line state, dominated by older voters and traditional constituencies. Her longtime advisor, CNN commentator James Carville, describes it as “Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in between.” The primary is closed to independents. Governor Ed Rendell is very popular, and is pushing hard for her with his political machine. And former President Bill Clinton remains quite popular there.
** SOUTHERN CALIFORNIAN TOM MCCLINTOCK KICKS OFF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN TOMORROW. Longtime Southern California state Senator Tom McClintock, the state’s leading right-wing politician now termed out of the Legislature by term limits, kicks off his campaign for a Northern California seat in Congress tomorrow morning at 10:30 AM with a speech to volunteers at his Roseville campaign headquarters outside Sacramento.
Then he, and they, will walk precicnts from 11 AM to 2 PM.
McClintock has spent his entire career representing Southern California districts in the state Assembly and Senate. Interspersed in there are four losing campaigns for statewide office, including for governor in the 2003 recall and lieutenant governor in 2006. He also ran unsuccessfully for a Southern California seat in Congress. Now he seeks to win DC corruption scandal figure John Doolittle’s seat. But he faces stiff opposition from former Sacramento area Congressman Doug Ose, and, should he win the primary, from the Democrats in the former of retired Air Force Colonel Charles Brown.
** MICHIGAN RE-DO PRIMARY MOVING FORWARD AS FLORIDA FADES. A Michigan do-over primary appears to be moving forward even as the prospect of a Florida do-over primary fades. The Michigan primary, a make-up for the event that violated party rules in January and didn’t count, despite Hillary Clinton’s claim of victory there, could take place on June 3rd. That’s the same day as Montana and South Dakota, where Barack Obama is favored. In the latest polling, Obama and Clinton are deadlocked in Michigan. In contrast to Florida, where Clinton would start out with a big edge.
A blue-ribbon group of four top Michigan Democrats formed to seek a resolution met in Washington on Thursday with top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign and by conference call, separately, with Barack Obama’s camp. They are looking for a compromise acceptable to the state party, the Democratic National Committee and both presidential campaigns.
Members of the blue-ribbon group are U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Democratic National Committee member Debbie Dingell and UAW President Ron Gettelfinger. Sources close to the negotiations said the talks were centering on a state-run, privately financed June primary of voters who would be willing to declare themselves Democrats.
A compromise may be announced as early as today, the sources said, but they added that details must be negotiated, including figuring out how the party declaration would work, nailing down $10 million or more in private financial backing and securing legislative and gubernatorial approval to call the election.
With the Arctic ice cap melting, the US, Russia, and Canada have launched
a race for the vast store of hydrocarbon resources beneath the North Pole.
** THE COMING ARCTIC OIL RUSH. In one of history’s emerging great ironies, the melting of the Arctic ice cap is setting off an oil rush. Some 25% of the world’s hydrocarbon reserves are estimated by some to be situated at the planet’s North Pole. In the past year, the fabled Northwest Passage has begun to emerge in what was once an utterly ice-locked sea.
After a two-day European Union summit in Brussels, the alarm was sounded.
“The increased accessibility of the enormous hydrocarbon resources in the Arctic region is changing the geo-strategic dynamics of the region with potential consequences for international stability and European security interests,” EU High Representative Javier Solana wrote in a presentation to EU leaders.
The growing strategic pressure in the region is “illustrated by the recent planting of the Russian flag under the North Pole” and it “challenges Europe’s ability to effectively secure its trade and resource interests in the region,” Solana wrote.
In recent years the rapid warming of the Arctic environment has driven the pack ice farther north than ever before, opening up new maritime routes around the north of Europe, Asia and North America and making new territories open to mineral exploitation. The most striking example came on August 2, when a Russian submarine dropped a Russian flag on the sea-bed under the North Pole in a bid to lay claim to the territory. But that claim is strongly contested by the US, Canada, Denmark and Norway - all states with a strong Arctic presence.
** EBAY’S WHITMAN JOINS MCCAIN CAMPAIGN. Meg Whitman, former president and CEO of eBay, will join John McCain’s team, serving as national co-chair. In addition to raising money, Whitman will be a prominent surrogate for McCain.
Under the leadership of Whitman and others over the past 10 years, eBay has grown from a start-up with 30 employees and $4 million in revenue to a Fortune 500 company with nearly 15,000 employees and almost $8 billion in revenue. The company has enjoyed more than 40 consecutive quarters of sequential revenue growth since its initial public offering in September 1998. More than a million people around the world make all, or part of their living on eBay.
Whitman has held multiple positions in the corporate world, most notably serving as a vice president of Bain & Company, a management consulting, venture capital, and corporate takeover firm.
It was there that Harvard MBA Whitman met Mitt Romney, the great right hope in the Republican presidential primaries for whom she served as national finance co-chair. Whitman, who is also a friend of former Virginia Senator George Allen, is touted by some Republicans as a possible candidate for governor of California in 2010.
** SCHWARZENEGGER LIVE WEBCASTS TODAY. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger will hold two live webcast events today.
At 10:15 AM, he has a press conference at the Milken Foundation in Santa Monica to discuss the release of the report of his advisory committee on education excellence. That event will be webcast live.
At 12 noon, Schwarzenegger participates in the Wall Street Journal’s “ECO:nomics” conference in Santa Barbara. There he will discuss economic growth through the development of green technology. The event will be webcast live.
** 24/7 LIVE TV NEWS FEED FROM RUSSIA TODAY. Russia has re-emerged as one of the world’s great powers. Click here for a live TV news feed on your computer, bringing you English-language, jargon-free, fast-paced coverage of global and Russian news from the new Russia Today channel.
You probably already know about CNN International, BBC World, and Al Jazeera. Russia Today, which also features culture, entertainment, and sports, is based in Moscow and is owned and operated by the TV Novosti division of Russia’s state news agency, RIA Novosti.
While it’s quite foolish to expect to see, say, criticism of Vladimir Putin on Russia Today, the channel is very interesting nonetheless. The NWN live link to RT does not constitute an endorsement of the channel’s views. It’s presented as an otherwise unavailable new media window.
** TRACK GLOBAL AND U.S. ENERGY PRICES IN NEAR REAL TIME VIA BLOOMBERG ENERGY MARKET WATCH. After hitting a new record of $111, crude oil is trading up in record territory in the $108 to $110 per barrel range.
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Jonas Blane:Great video report on the Arctic oil race.
Mar 14, 2008 - 9:34 am Jonas Blane:Great video report on the Arctic oil race.
Mar 14, 2008 - 9:34 am Capitol Boy:I love it. Hillary gets nothing out of Florida and has to run against Barack in a big industrial state where the deck isn’t stacked in her favor. Karma, baby.
Mar 14, 2008 - 9:42 am Capitol Boy:I love it. Hillary gets nothing out of Florida and has to run against Barack in a big industrial state where the deck isn’t stacked in her favor. Karma, baby.
Mar 14, 2008 - 9:42 am Capitol Boy:How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?
Mar 14, 2008 - 9:56 am Ann:lol
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:00 am Ann:lol
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:00 am Jonas Blane:That is really harsh video by Obama’s pastor.
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:11 am Capitol Boy:That’s not good.
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:12 am Capitol Boy:That’s not good.
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:12 am Ann:Schwarzeneger was on time!
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:26 am Brasky:“How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?”
Apoiznersayswhat?
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:27 am Sacramento Solon:To state the very apparent, that’s not a good thing for Barack. It will be interesting to see how he handles it…and handle it he must.
Rain clouds forming in the River City, moisture is on the way and might be bringing clapping clouds with it!
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:30 am Sacramento Solon:To state the very apparent, that’s not a good thing for Barack. It will be interesting to see how he handles it…and handle it he must.
Rain clouds forming in the River City, moisture is on the way and might be bringing clapping clouds with it!
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:30 am Jack Aubrey:I love the video on the Arctic hydrocarbon moves. What irony, the planet’s cooking makes it easier to cook it.
Wright is right about some things in that video, but white America won’t accept it.
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:34 am Brasky:“Barack Obama’s former longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, delivers an incendiary sermon in which he says a black Jesus was oppressed by whites and ‘Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger.’”
Ok – if you’re going to post good videos, you really need to send me a video tape in advance so I can watch. Betamax, of course. Or Laserdisc.
Seriously - Obama has got to cut the cord. This is almost as embarrassing as those loons on the right that call themselves men of God.
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:35 am Brasky:“Barack Obama’s former longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, delivers an incendiary sermon in which he says a black Jesus was oppressed by whites and ‘Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger.’”
Ok – if you’re going to post good videos, you really need to send me a video tape in advance so I can watch. Betamax, of course. Or Laserdisc.
Seriously - Obama has got to cut the cord. This is almost as embarrassing as those loons on the right that call themselves men of God.
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:35 am Brasky:And if Jesus was killed because he was black, that means every time Geraldine goes to church, she’s gonna feel the Whiteman’s burden (again). She may have to quit her day job and sing the Blues.
I just found out Jesus was Black…ba-da, don-da
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:41 am Ann:And we white people killed him…ba-da, don-da
It just 15% harder to be white…I got the Geraldine blues!
lol
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:48 am carole w:How can Wright call himself a Christian? Where is his apology to all women. Why are we mixing church politics with governmental politics?
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:52 am carole w:How can Wright call himself a Christian? Where is his apology to all women. Why are we mixing church politics with governmental politics?
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:52 am Bill Bradley:Why would he apologize to women?
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:58 am Bill Bradley:As a practicing Zen agnostic, I find all these insertions of various religious dogmas into the campaign troubling, at best.
>Brasky :
And if Jesus was killed because he was black, that means every time Geraldine goes to church, she’s gonna feel the Whiteman’s burden (again). She may have to quit her day job and sing the Blues.
I just found out Jesus was Black…ba-da, don-da
And we white people killed him…ba-da, don-da
It just 15% harder to be white…I got the Geraldine blues!
Mar 14, 2008 10:41 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:59 am Bill Bradley:As a practicing Zen agnostic, I find all these insertions of various religious dogmas into the campaign troubling, at best.
>Brasky :
And if Jesus was killed because he was black, that means every time Geraldine goes to church, she’s gonna feel the Whiteman’s burden (again). She may have to quit her day job and sing the Blues.
I just found out Jesus was Black…ba-da, don-da
And we white people killed him…ba-da, don-da
It just 15% harder to be white…I got the Geraldine blues!
Mar 14, 2008 10:41 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 10:59 am Bill Bradley:Wright’s played a major role in Obama’s life, just as Ferraro is an old-time feminist icon.
>Brasky :
“Barack Obama’s former longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, delivers an incendiary sermon in which he says a black Jesus was oppressed by whites and ‘Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger.’”
Ok – if you’re going to post good videos, you really need to send me a video tape in advance so I can watch. Betamax, of course. Or Laserdisc.
Seriously - Obama has got to cut the cord. This is almost as embarrassing as those loons on the right that call themselves men of God.
Mar 14, 2008 10:35 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:00 am Bill Bradley:It is highly ironic.
>Jack Aubrey :
I love the video on the Arctic hydrocarbon moves. What irony, the planet’s cooking makes it easier to cook it.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:01 am Bill Bradley:Oh, yes.
>Sacramento Solon :
To state the very apparent, that’s not a good thing for Barack. It will be interesting to see how he handles it…and handle it he must.
Rain clouds forming in the River City, moisture is on the way and might be bringing clapping clouds with it!
Mar 14, 2008 10:30 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:02 am Bill Bradley:Oh, yes.
>Sacramento Solon :
To state the very apparent, that’s not a good thing for Barack. It will be interesting to see how he handles it…and handle it he must.
Rain clouds forming in the River City, moisture is on the way and might be bringing clapping clouds with it!
Mar 14, 2008 10:30 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:02 am Bill Bradley:?
>Brasky :
“How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?”
Apoiznersayswhat?
Mar 14, 2008 10:27 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:02 am Bill Bradley:I’m waiting for someone to ask how Arnold gets from Santa Monica to Santa Barbara so quickly.
>Ann :
Schwarzeneger was on time!
Mar 14, 2008 10:26 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:03 am Bill Bradley:I’m waiting for someone to ask how Arnold gets from Santa Monica to Santa Barbara so quickly.
>Ann :
Schwarzeneger was on time!
Mar 14, 2008 10:26 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:03 am Bill Bradley:Very carefully, hoping that the Democrats are utterly inept.
>Capitol Boy :
How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?
Mar 14, 2008 09:56 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:05 am Bill Bradley:Her Florida victory celebration was somewhat premature.
>Capitol Boy :
I love it. Hillary gets nothing out of Florida and has to run against Barack in a big industrial state where the deck isn’t stacked in her favor. Karma, baby.
Mar 14, 2008 09:42 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:06 am Bill Bradley:Her Florida victory celebration was somewhat premature.
>Capitol Boy :
I love it. Hillary gets nothing out of Florida and has to run against Barack in a big industrial state where the deck isn’t stacked in her favor. Karma, baby.
Mar 14, 2008 09:42 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:06 am Bill Bradley:Thanks.
>Jonas Blane :
Great video report on the Arctic oil race.
Mar 14, 2008 09:34 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:07 am Bill Bradley:Thanks.
>Jonas Blane :
Great video report on the Arctic oil race.
Mar 14, 2008 09:34 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:07 am Brasky:“As a practicing Zen agnostic”
Man, you must be guilt-deficient.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:07 am Dana:I goggled and came up with “The Untouchables” (1987).
>Bill Bradley :
Thus endeth the lesson.
What movie is that from?
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:07 am Dana:I goggled and came up with “The Untouchables” (1987).
>Bill Bradley :
Thus endeth the lesson.
What movie is that from?
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:07 am Bill Bradley:That’s correct. And who said it?
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:08 am Bill Bradley:Oh, not so much. Although perhaps more a matter of regret.
>Brasky :
“As a practicing Zen agnostic”
Man, you must be guilt-deficient.
Mar 14, 2008 11:07 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:09 am Bill Bradley:Oh, not so much. Although perhaps more a matter of regret.
>Brasky :
“As a practicing Zen agnostic”
Man, you must be guilt-deficient.
Mar 14, 2008 11:07 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:09 am Brasky:“How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?
Apoiznersayswhat?”
A-Poizner-says-what?
(Wayne’s World reference)
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:09 am Dana:Amen!
>Bill Bradley :
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:09 am Brasky:As a practicing Zen agnostic, I find all these insertions of various religious dogmas into the campaign troubling, at best.
“That’s correct. And who said it?”
sir sean, of course
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:09 am Brasky:“That’s correct. And who said it?”
sir sean, of course
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:09 am Brasky:“Wright’s played a major role in Obama’s life, just as Ferraro is an old-time feminist icon.”
I’m gettin’ the lefty version of a Bob Jones vibe here and it makes me uncomfortable — he’s got to distance himself.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:13 am marcus:It’s Looney-Tunes time.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:22 am marcus:It’s Looney-Tunes time.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:22 am Dana:By getting tips from Jack Bauer! Hey, as one fan famously asked at the Comic Con 24 panel last year, “How do you get from Downtown L.A. to Simi Valley in 5 minutes?”.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/2304003.html?page=1
Action heroes rule!
>Bill Bradley :
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:23 am Prospero:I’m waiting for someone to ask how Arnold gets from Santa Monica to Santa Barbara so quickly.
Brasky:
“Seriously - Obama has got to cut the cord. This is almost as embarrassing as those loons on the right that call themselves men of God.”
If only someone could find the common thread between the loons on the right who call themselves men of God and the loons on the left who call themselves men of God.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:29 am Brasky:“how Arnold gets from Santa Monica to Santa Barbara so quickly.”
run the video of the hummer driving through Baghdad again
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:29 am Brasky:“how Arnold gets from Santa Monica to Santa Barbara so quickly.”
run the video of the hummer driving through Baghdad again
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:29 am Bill Bradley:De plane, boss, de plane!
What’s that from?
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:34 am Bill Bradley:The common thread is that a dogma of oppression makes them self-righteous.
>Prospero :
Brasky:
“Seriously - Obama has got to cut the cord. This is almost as embarrassing as those loons on the right that call themselves men of God.”
If only someone could find the common thread between the loons on the right who call themselves men of God and the loons on the left who call themselves men of God.
Mar 14, 2008 11:29 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:35 am Bill Bradley:The common thread is that a dogma of oppression makes them self-righteous.
>Prospero :
Brasky:
“Seriously - Obama has got to cut the cord. This is almost as embarrassing as those loons on the right that call themselves men of God.”
If only someone could find the common thread between the loons on the right who call themselves men of God and the loons on the left who call themselves men of God.
Mar 14, 2008 11:29 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:35 am Bill Bradley:G Action Heroes …
>Dana :
By getting tips from Jack Bauer! Hey, as one fan famously asked at the Comic Con 24 panel last year, “How do you get from Downtown L.A. to Simi Valley in 5 minutes?”.
[www.startrek.com/startrek/view/n…]
Action heroes rule!
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:36 am Sacramento Solon:Before I forget…
HAPPY ST. PATRICK’S DAY!!!!!
Oh, yes, I’ll be wishing you the same on Monday. Be damned if I be giving up a excuse to drink day for any reason!!!!
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:36 am Sacramento Solon:Before I forget…
HAPPY ST. PATRICK’S DAY!!!!!
Oh, yes, I’ll be wishing you the same on Monday. Be damned if I be giving up a excuse to drink day for any reason!!!!
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:36 am Brasky:“De plane, boss, de plane!
What’s that from?”
my nightmares
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:37 am Bill Bradley:I sense a four-day liquid holiday weekend …
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:37 am Bill Bradley:Yep.
>marcus :
It’s Looney-Tunes time.
Mar 14, 2008 11:22 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:38 am Bill Bradley:Yep.
>marcus :
It’s Looney-Tunes time.
Mar 14, 2008 11:22 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:38 am Bill Bradley:Shocking. Positively shocking.
>Brasky :
“That’s correct. And who said it?”
sir sean, of course
Mar 14, 2008 11:09 AM
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:39 am carole w:What the hell is a Zen agnostic? You are WRONG!!! Your oh-la-la rating just plumated! BOO!
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:39 am Bill Bradley:I’m afraid you’re getting a bit obscure.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:42 am Bill Bradley:I’m afraid you’re getting a bit obscure.
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:42 am Brasky:“I’m afraid you’re getting a bit obscure.”
Weren’t your loyal posters once famously (or infamously) noted for our obscure posts?
Mar 14, 2008 - 11:49 am Ann:lol
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:05 pm Ann:lol
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:05 pm Dirk PItt:We must crush all organized superstitions. After studying them.
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:27 pm Wilbur:>>Bill Bradley : Very carefully, hoping that the Democrats are utterly inept.
>Capitol Boy : How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?
Many times that has proven a safe bet.
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:39 pm Wilbur:>>Bill Bradley : Very carefully, hoping that the Democrats are utterly inept.
>Capitol Boy : How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?
Many times that has proven a safe bet.
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:39 pm Sacramento Solon:Bill Bradley :
I sense a four-day liquid holiday weekend …
—-
Only a two day…need to be in shape on Sunday for about 6 or 7 miles. I find those much easier to do when I have a clear head and am not staggering!
However, knowing meself as only I can no meself, the old guy could be making up for it on Monday evening. Might even see an Irish Car Bomb in me future!
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:43 pm Sacramento Solon:Bill Bradley :
I sense a four-day liquid holiday weekend …
—-
Only a two day…need to be in shape on Sunday for about 6 or 7 miles. I find those much easier to do when I have a clear head and am not staggering!
However, knowing meself as only I can no meself, the old guy could be making up for it on Monday evening. Might even see an Irish Car Bomb in me future!
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:43 pm Dana:Fantasy Island, 70s version of course!
>Bill Bradley :
De plane, boss, de plane!
What’s that from?
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:47 pm Dana:Fantasy Island, 70s version of course!
>Bill Bradley :
De plane, boss, de plane!
What’s that from?
Mar 14, 2008 - 12:47 pm Vladimir Bierko:If only the NY Times had held the story about McCain’s questionable ties to lobbyists. With the addition of the eBay’s Whitman to the campaign, there could have endless zingers about about how she could help dole favors to the highest bidders, etc…
It reminds me of the clever eGray site set up in 2002.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021130135212/http://www.egray.org/
I had to dig to find the site, but it goes to show how one can make oppo fun and exciting. Okay, not really. But I’m sure the idea will be used again.
Mar 14, 2008 - 1:00 pm Len:All these ministers are nuts.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:04 pm Len:All these ministers are nuts.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:04 pm Hap Hazard:Obama may get the media to pass lightly over this video of his pastor in action, but I think that the half-life of this issue extends all the way to November if Obama is the nominee. [This could even be the fatal arrow in Obama’s campaign]
For one thing, this isn’t just a pastor who happens to preach at the church Obama attends now and then. He married Obama and his wife, and baptized their children, a pretty good indicator or shared beliefs and personal closeness. If I am not mistaken, he was also, until very recently, a religious advisor to Obama on his campaign. People are connecting the dots and the unity and change candidate better hope for some good explanations by other church members that Obama regularly took this freak to task on his views, or something like that.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:08 pm Brasky:“OBAMA FINALLY ADDRESSES WRIGHT STATEMENTS. ”
He had me until the last paragraph. It sounds like he’s waiting for the issue to resolve itself, but presidents take action. He needed to go one step further. I don’t think he’s put this to bed.
And let’s not turn this into a religious argument - plenty of us church-going folk don’t listen to crazy people at the pulpit.
This is a crazy issue, not a religious one.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:11 pm Hap Hazard:I agree that the last paragraph in the Obama statement should have been cut out, because to me it seems as if Obama is pulling his punches. If he so vehemently disagrees with the tone of the sermons at church, now would be a good time for him to find a new one. At least that is what most churchgoers would say, I would imagine.
I do think that he is going to have to do more, and should do so, if for no other reason than to get warmed up for the 527 ads that will be playing a constant drumbeat on this issue in the General election.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:22 pm Hap Hazard:I agree that the last paragraph in the Obama statement should have been cut out, because to me it seems as if Obama is pulling his punches. If he so vehemently disagrees with the tone of the sermons at church, now would be a good time for him to find a new one. At least that is what most churchgoers would say, I would imagine.
I do think that he is going to have to do more, and should do so, if for no other reason than to get warmed up for the 527 ads that will be playing a constant drumbeat on this issue in the General election.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:22 pm Jack Aubrey:If the new pastor doesn’t say shit like the old pastor said, why leave the church? Think it through.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:27 pm Brasky:Because he was with the old pastor for 99% of the time he was at the church. It sounds like he picked that church because of THAT pastor.
He should have said something about - “we’ve grown apart” or somehow distanced himself other than saying “he doesn’t work there anymore.” That is Clintonlike parsing.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:40 pm Hap Hazard:why leave the church? Think it through. — You may be right. I guess what both campaigns need to do is start getting away from the politics of determining who in the campaigns has been the greater victim. But victimology has become the stock in trade lately in politics.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:43 pm Hap Hazard:why leave the church? Think it through. — You may be right. I guess what both campaigns need to do is start getting away from the politics of determining who in the campaigns has been the greater victim. But victimology has become the stock in trade lately in politics.
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:43 pm Hap Hazard:ecause he was with the old pastor for 99% of the time he was at the church. It sounds like he picked that church because of THAT pastor. - what I was trying to say..
He also looks like he identifies with that guy because he put him on the campaign as a religious advisor or something. True that he isn’t in the inner circle, but the connection is close enough to warrant a more vehement renunciation. I am sure there are plenty of churches in Chicago of that denomination
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:47 pm Hap Hazard:All of this is important because our man Obama has also had difficulty on this very issue. First, he had to reassure voters he wasn’t a Muslim. then he was caught praising Farrakhan or something. Now the church he trots out as his chosen path turns out to have had this guy running it the whole 20 years Obama has been there. Not good, and not mainstream Christianity, which is what Obama wants to convey.
One ad I could see is this guy talking from the pulpit about how Bill Clinton fracked them just like he did Monica.. Doesn’t seem to be a idyllic Sunday morning message for the families and the children, and I still think it is a can of worms for Obama….
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:59 pm Hap Hazard:All of this is important because our man Obama has also had difficulty on this very issue. First, he had to reassure voters he wasn’t a Muslim. then he was caught praising Farrakhan or something. Now the church he trots out as his chosen path turns out to have had this guy running it the whole 20 years Obama has been there. Not good, and not mainstream Christianity, which is what Obama wants to convey.
One ad I could see is this guy talking from the pulpit about how Bill Clinton fracked them just like he did Monica.. Doesn’t seem to be a idyllic Sunday morning message for the families and the children, and I still think it is a can of worms for Obama….
Mar 14, 2008 - 2:59 pm Brasky:Hap - both Clinton and Obama are learning what happens when you leave the door cracked open. Ya gotta shut it or that cold wind blows right up your…campaign
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:25 pm Brasky:It’s these kind of foul-ups that are keeping Gravel in the campaign.
He’s still in the race, even though Bill doesn’t track his movements anymore.
Where is he? At a rock quarry looking for a running mate?
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:30 pm Sacramento Solon:I have read his words and now need to think about them. While I was offened by the words of his minister, I’m equally so by the reaction of the the church memebers. And I’m not sure that Mr. Obama’s words address my concerns.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:34 pm Sacramento Solon:I have read his words and now need to think about them. While I was offened by the words of his minister, I’m equally so by the reaction of the the church memebers. And I’m not sure that Mr. Obama’s words address my concerns.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:34 pm Hap Hazard:You are right Brasky, but I worry that Obama might have already waited to long to do too little to denounce this guy, who also jeopardizes Obama’s long-cultivated image of one who has moved beyond prejudice and racism and can lead us to a new era in race relations. I am totally afraid this is a very potent cocktail that is not going to go down easy, and will be around for a long time.
The media will most likely want to keep this out of the limelight but that won’t work in this case I don’t think. I bet this ends up having an effect on super delegates, I am very sorry to say…
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:35 pm Hap Hazard:Solon - The reaction of of the congregation was disturbing to me as well, and I fear that people will picture Obams and his young family sitting there like the rest of the folks agreeing with and identifying with Wright.
All of a sudden Obama starts looking like an angry black radical from the 60s, and if that picture is emblazoned in voters’ minds he is history. He may already be history.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:42 pm marcus waldron:Obama needs to explain the Black Church and religion’s role in society as salve and salvation.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:42 pm marcus waldron:Obama needs to explain the Black Church and religion’s role in society as salve and salvation.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:42 pm Brasky:Hap — I don’t think it’s as big of a deal, especially since this comes on the heels of Ferraro and some good polling.
I think this could be potentially damaging, but not devastating. Look at our past presidents and who their religious advisors have been. For God’s sake, Nancy Reagan was getting tarot reading in the White House!
I also think that Obama can still save whatever fat he has in the fire by acting to amend this situation. I guess I’m less concerned about Obama’s relationship with this church than I am with the way he’s handled it.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:48 pm Hap Hazard:I hope you are right Brasky.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:51 pm Hap Hazard:I hope you are right Brasky.
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:51 pm Sacramento Solon:Hap,
Truly not sure what to think. However, I will ponder. Heading down to the pub right now as something that helps in the process.
I promise to behave when I return sometime this evening. Bill, I do promise!!!
Mar 14, 2008 - 3:58 pm Brasky:This is a good test for Obama - let’s see if he rises to the occasion.
He’s almost there, he just needs that something extra…
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:01 pm Bill Bradley:Getting there, not there yet.
I think I know the deal here, but don’t feel like getting into it, since it takes in two of my least favorite topics, race and religion.
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:05 pm Bill Bradley:Getting there, not there yet.
I think I know the deal here, but don’t feel like getting into it, since it takes in two of my least favorite topics, race and religion.
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:05 pm Bill Bradley:Well, I’m certainly glad to hear that!
>Sacramento Solon :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:06 pm Bill Bradley:Hap,
Truly not sure what to think. However, I will ponder. Heading down to the pub right now as something that helps in the process.
I promise to behave when I return sometime this evening. Bill, I do promise!!!
Mar 14, 2008 03:58 PM
One of the problems of our new media environment is people talk themselves into things.
>Hap Hazard :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:07 pm Bill Bradley:Solon - The reaction of of the congregation was disturbing to me as well, and I fear that people will picture Obams and his young family sitting there like the rest of the folks agreeing with and identifying with Wright.
All of a sudden Obama starts looking like an angry black radical from the 60s, and if that picture is emblazoned in voters’ minds he is history. He may already be history.
Mar 14, 2008 03:42 PM
One of the problems of our new media environment is people talk themselves into things.
>Hap Hazard :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:07 pm Bill Bradley:Solon - The reaction of of the congregation was disturbing to me as well, and I fear that people will picture Obams and his young family sitting there like the rest of the folks agreeing with and identifying with Wright.
All of a sudden Obama starts looking like an angry black radical from the 60s, and if that picture is emblazoned in voters’ minds he is history. He may already be history.
Mar 14, 2008 03:42 PM
That may be.
>marcus waldron :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:08 pm Bill Bradley:Obama needs to explain the Black Church and religion’s role in society as salve and salvation.
Mar 14, 2008 03:42 PM
This is apparently one of the key churches in Chicago.
Don’t get me started about religious advisory committees.
>Hap Hazard :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:09 pm Bill Bradley:ecause he was with the old pastor for 99% of the time he was at the church. It sounds like he picked that church because of THAT pastor. - what I was trying to say..
He also looks like he identifies with that guy because he put him on the campaign as a religious advisor or something. True that he isn’t in the inner circle, but the connection is close enough to warrant a more vehement renunciation. I am sure there are plenty of churches in Chicago of that denomination
Mar 14, 2008 02:47 PM
Notice that the Fox News still from the video package has two black guys dancing with glee behind Wright as he says this stuff.
>Sacramento Solon :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:10 pm Bill Bradley:I have read his words and now need to think about them. While I was offened by the words of his minister, I’m equally so by the reaction of the the church memebers. And I’m not sure that Mr. Obama’s words address my concerns.
Mar 14, 2008 03:34 PM
Notice that the Fox News still from the video package has two black guys dancing with glee behind Wright as he says this stuff.
>Sacramento Solon :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:10 pm Vladimir Bierko:I have read his words and now need to think about them. While I was offened by the words of his minister, I’m equally so by the reaction of the the church memebers. And I’m not sure that Mr. Obama’s words address my concerns.
Mar 14, 2008 03:34 PM
Post SNL’s lampooning of the media, I’m not sure this statement from Obama will be enough to quell the matter.
Heck, if I was a Clinton s(p)inner, I would egging the media to write this story with the same intensity as the Ferraro stuff.
But I wonder, does this help or hurt McCain? You would think help, right? But it just takes him out the story and out of the media spotlight. Don’t know if that’s a good thing or not.
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:10 pm Bill Bradley:Exactly.
>Jack Aubrey :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:11 pm Bill Bradley:If the new pastor doesn’t say shit like the old pastor said, why leave the church? Think it through.
Mar 14, 2008 02:27 PM
Exactly.
>Jack Aubrey :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:11 pm Bill Bradley:If the new pastor doesn’t say shit like the old pastor said, why leave the church? Think it through.
Mar 14, 2008 02:27 PM
Unknown.
>Brasky :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:12 pm Bill Bradley:It’s these kind of foul-ups that are keeping Gravel in the campaign.
He’s still in the race, even though Bill doesn’t track his movements anymore.
Where is he? At a rock quarry looking for a running mate?
Mar 14, 2008 03:30 PM
Well, I think this establishes that Obama is a Christian …
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:13 pm Bill Bradley:>Hap Hazard :
All of this is important because our man Obama has also had difficulty on this very issue. First, he had to reassure voters he wasn’t a Muslim. then he was caught praising Farrakhan or something.
Well, I think this establishes that Obama is a Christian …
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:13 pm Bill Bradley:>Hap Hazard :
All of this is important because our man Obama has also had difficulty on this very issue. First, he had to reassure voters he wasn’t a Muslim. then he was caught praising Farrakhan or something.
… Also, Obama was not “caught praising Farrakhan or something.”
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:13 pm Bill Bradley:It turns out that quite a few are. Who knew?
>Len :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:14 pm Bill Bradley:All these ministers are nuts.
Mar 14, 2008 02:04 PM
The story wasn’t about lobbyists, it was about a purported affair.
That’s why Team McCain smashed it back in the NYT’s face.
>Vladimir Bierko :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:15 pm Bill Bradley:If only the NY Times had held the story about McCain’s questionable ties to lobbyists. With the addition of the eBay’s Whitman to the campaign, there could have endless zingers about about how she could help dole favors to the highest bidders, etc…
The story wasn’t about lobbyists, it was about a purported affair.
That’s why Team McCain smashed it back in the NYT’s face.
>Vladimir Bierko :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:15 pm Bill Bradley:If only the NY Times had held the story about McCain’s questionable ties to lobbyists. With the addition of the eBay’s Whitman to the campaign, there could have endless zingers about about how she could help dole favors to the highest bidders, etc…
You got it.
>Dana :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:16 pm Bill Bradley:Fantasy Island, 70s version of course!
>Bill Bradley :
De plane, boss, de plane!
What’s that from?
Mar 14, 2008 12:47 PM
Something like that.
>Brasky :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:17 pm Bill Bradley:“I’m afraid you’re getting a bit obscure.”
Weren’t your loyal posters once famously (or infamously) noted for our obscure posts?
Mar 14, 2008 11:49 AM
I have a feeling that the Democrat in 2010 will be much more formidable and compelling than Phil Angelides.
>Wilbur :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:18 pm Bill Bradley:>>Bill Bradley : Very carefully, hoping that the Democrats are utterly inept.
>Capitol Boy : How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?
Many times that has proven a safe bet.
Mar 14, 2008 12:39 PM
I have a feeling that the Democrat in 2010 will be much more formidable and compelling than Phil Angelides.
>Wilbur :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:18 pm Hap Hazard:>>Bill Bradley : Very carefully, hoping that the Democrats are utterly inept.
>Capitol Boy : How could Mitt Romney’s finance co-chair run for Governor of California?
Many times that has proven a safe bet.
Mar 14, 2008 12:39 PM
One of the problems of our new media environment is people talk themselves into things. Paranoia strikes deep. Into [my] heart it can creep…
But another feature of the new media world is that the ability of the traditional media to decide what is going to be relevant and on the table for discussion is no longer true, so these things can become radioactive today easier than in the day…
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:19 pm Bill Bradley:What happens is people talk themselves into frequent wrong conclusions in a rapid style fashion.
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:20 pm Bill Bradley:What happens is people talk themselves into frequent wrong conclusions in a rapid style fashion.
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:20 pm Brasky:“Heck, if I was a Clinton s(p)inner, I would egging the media to write this story with the same intensity as the Ferraro stuff. ”
See Bill’s posting on race and religion. This isn’t a slam-dunk hit for Clinton or McCain. Everyone has some glass in their house — some more than others.
That said, Obama still needs to strengthen his stance and pair that with some outreach (invite press/public to his church, talk about how he felt on the days his kids were baptized, etc).
I think he comes back nicely, but his campaign needs to get more “presidential.” He’s already surpassed Clinton, but still several steps behind McCain.
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:21 pm Bill Bradley:I may have more experience with the black community in politics. Actually, since I have a certain advantage here, I’m fairly sure of it …
The Clintons know that pushing the issue of the black church is even riskier than the racial moves they have employed so far.
>Vladimir Bierko :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:22 pm Bill Bradley:Post SNL’s lampooning of the media, I’m not sure this statement from Obama will be enough to quell the matter.
Heck, if I was a Clinton s(p)inner, I would egging the media to write this story with the same intensity as the Ferraro stuff.
But I wonder, does this help or hurt McCain? You would think help, right? But it just takes him out the story and out of the media spotlight. Don’t know if that’s a good thing or not.
I may have more experience with the black community in politics. Actually, since I have a certain advantage here, I’m fairly sure of it …
The Clintons know that pushing the issue of the black church is even riskier than the racial moves they have employed so far.
>Vladimir Bierko :
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:22 pm Brasky:Post SNL’s lampooning of the media, I’m not sure this statement from Obama will be enough to quell the matter.
Heck, if I was a Clinton s(p)inner, I would egging the media to write this story with the same intensity as the Ferraro stuff.
But I wonder, does this help or hurt McCain? You would think help, right? But it just takes him out the story and out of the media spotlight. Don’t know if that’s a good thing or not.
“I have a feeling that the Democrat in 2010 will be much more formidable and compelling than Phil Angelides.”
Wow…go out on a limb Bill.
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:24 pm James- The Historian:What if we ran Britney Spears?
Well said Bill, from the voice of experience.
>”My personal observation: I’ve heard this kind of thing before in black churches, having visited them with Democratic and Republican politicians. A common thread with a number of religions is an ideology of oppression justifying a self-righteous anger. Which may have, well, more than a little to do with one of history’s great and terrible constants: Religious-based warfare.”
Mar 14, 2008 - 4:43 pm Capitol Boy:Wright is out of the Obama religious advisory committee.
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:06 pm Capitol Boy:Wright is out of the Obama religious advisory committee.
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:06 pm Brasky:“Wright is out of the Obama religious advisory committee.”
good…he’s still got to seal the deal.
he should make an announcement after praying about the issue…that would be good.
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:27 pm carole w:2 little…2 late
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:31 pm Hattie Caraway:Bill,
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:37 pm Hattie Caraway:this just probably reflects my long-standing preference for John Edwards, but do you think if Edwards “unsuspended” his campaign that he could successfully offer Democrats a candidate who has not been shredded by the Obama-Clinton knife fight? I am very concerned that neither Clinton nor Obama can win, but I am confident that our core message, in the hands of someone who has not been cut up, would see us to victory.
Bill,
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:37 pm Bill Bradley:this just probably reflects my long-standing preference for John Edwards, but do you think if Edwards “unsuspended” his campaign that he could successfully offer Democrats a candidate who has not been shredded by the Obama-Clinton knife fight? I am very concerned that neither Clinton nor Obama can win, but I am confident that our core message, in the hands of someone who has not been cut up, would see us to victory.
No.
You should not assume that there are not similar issues in the weeds for Edwards.
But that won’t happen. Obama, or perhaps Clinton, will be the nominee.
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:45 pm Bill Bradley:The ball keeps bouncing. Always check for updates.
Incidentally, what did you mean when you said Wright needs to apologize to women?
>carole w :
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:46 pm Bill Bradley:2 little…2 late
Mar 14, 2008 05:31 PM
The ball keeps bouncing. Always check for updates.
Incidentally, what did you mean when you said Wright needs to apologize to women?
>carole w :
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:46 pm Bill Bradley:2 little…2 late
Mar 14, 2008 05:31 PM
It’s interesting how some faith congregations, supposedly about love, promote anger and rationalize attacks.
>James- The Historian :
Well said Bill, from the voice of experience.
>”My personal observation: I’ve heard this kind of thing before in black churches, having visited them with Democratic and Republican politicians. A common thread with a number of religions is an ideology of oppression justifying a self-righteous anger. Which may have, well, more than a little to do with one of history’s great and terrible constants: Religious-based warfare.”
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:47 pm Brasky:Mar 14, 2008 04:43 PM
“** WRIGHT/OBAMA UPDATE: Barack Obama is appearing tonight on Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC to discuss the various inflammatory statements by his longtime and now former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.”
Bring your A Game Big O!
Mar 14, 2008 - 5:50 pm Bill Bradley:Obama is going on Hannity & Colmes.
Which has still more raving Jeremiah Wright tapes.
Mar 14, 2008 - 6:04 pm Bill Bradley:Obama is going on Hannity & Colmes.
Which has still more raving Jeremiah Wright tapes.
Mar 14, 2008 - 6:04 pm Bill Bradley:It’s already shaping up as a food fight.
Mar 14, 2008 - 6:06 pm Capitol Boy:Hannity is a pompous ass. He says Obama’s finished. He said McCain was finished. He doesn’t even influence his own wingnuts.
Mar 14, 2008 - 6:10 pm Ann:lol
Mar 14, 2008 - 6:28 pm Ann:lol
Mar 14, 2008 - 6:28 pm Len:They couldn’t let foaming at the mouth Seanny Boy Hannity interview Obama. That guy is a real hothead crackpot. What drugs is he on?
Mar 14, 2008 - 6:42 pm carole w:The video of Wright simulating a sexual act while speaking of a former first lady/president was disgusting. The anti American tilt of what he preaches is not worthy of any comment. After, my cold hike and much thought…an apology would be of no use.
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:01 pm carole w:The video of Wright simulating a sexual act while speaking of a former first lady/president was disgusting. The anti American tilt of what he preaches is not worthy of any comment. After, my cold hike and much thought…an apology would be of no use.
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:01 pm Capitol Boy:What the hell are you talking about? Get a grip on reality.
carole w :
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:14 pm carole w:The video of Wright simulating a sexual act while speaking of a former first lady/president was disgusting.
CB,
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:21 pm Capitol Boy:You haven’t seen the Tv lately have you? Watch your mouth and cool your jets.
I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:31 pm Capitol Boy:I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:31 pm Bill Bradley:Just as I missed the Birth of A Nation/”nig” subliminal advertising in Hillary’s 3 AM TV spot, I also missed the sexual demeaning of Hillary by the unfortunate Rev. Wright.
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:35 pm Bill Bradley:Incidentally, Cap and Carole, I think it’s time to cool some of the rhetoric.
One very unfortunate thing here is the raw surfacing of constituencies with special pleadings and grievances, both aggrieved now by attacks on their champions.
It’s Friday night, so I’m not going to get into who is principally responsible for this increasingly irritating and unseemly situation.
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:37 pm Bill Bradley:Incidentally, Cap and Carole, I think it’s time to cool some of the rhetoric.
One very unfortunate thing here is the raw surfacing of constituencies with special pleadings and grievances, both aggrieved now by attacks on their champions.
It’s Friday night, so I’m not going to get into who is principally responsible for this increasingly irritating and unseemly situation.
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:37 pm Brasky:“6:50 PM UPDATE: As is not uncommon, the shoutfest side of Fox News overplayed its hand.”
McCain visits Bob Jones, etc will all be in play now. Let’s hold hands together in indignity!
whatever…more interested in Obama’s navigation of the tempest than it’s source. Sounds like he held his own. Moving to round 3…
Mar 14, 2008 - 7:53 pm Sacramento Solon:Folks,
Spent far too long at the pub…so will not offer any comments. However, here’s the link to a NY Times article…
Also, agree fully with Bill…cool it. Please.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15wright.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Good night…
Mar 14, 2008 - 8:16 pm Dana:Iraq. North Korea. Afghanistan.
Just three serious situations the next President will need to handle. Plus the domestic economy and other challenges. We need a campaign on substance, not swiftboat and other mindless attack-dog antics. To their credit all the candidates have mostly hued to that.
I hope I’ve tried to do so, and my sincere hope is all of us on the forum are like-minded.
I’m going home now to have a meatloaf sandwich plus call Mom and find our how her day has been. As Barbara would say (and wherever she is right now, I hope she is having some fun)–Toodles!
>Bill Bradley :
One very unfortunate thing here is the raw surfacing of constituencies with special pleadings and grievances.
Mar 14, 2008 - 8:20 pm Dana:Iraq. North Korea. Afghanistan.
Just three serious situations the next President will need to handle. Plus the domestic economy and other challenges. We need a campaign on substance, not swiftboat and other mindless attack-dog antics. To their credit all the candidates have mostly hued to that.
I hope I’ve tried to do so, and my sincere hope is all of us on the forum are like-minded.
I’m going home now to have a meatloaf sandwich plus call Mom and find our how her day has been. As Barbara would say (and wherever she is right now, I hope she is having some fun)–Toodles!
>Bill Bradley :
One very unfortunate thing here is the raw surfacing of constituencies with special pleadings and grievances.
Mar 14, 2008 - 8:20 pm Barbara:I am voting for Obama IF he is Dem nominee.
If Obama is not the Dem nominee…I will NOT vote for Hillary . I will probably vote for MCCain.
My NOT voting for Hillary has nothing to do with anything Geraldine, or Wolfson or anyone else in the campaign says or does …it has to do with Hillary and Hillary only
I will vote for MCcain unless he goes neo-con loopy on def and FP . I dont care that he has been endorsed by ministers that have said hateful things. McCain has handled this totally satisfactory to me when questioned about his hateful ministers… he shrugged and said I dont agree with them but rememeber these guys endorsed me …I did not endorse them. Makes sense to me!
We, the voters and they , i.e., both campaigns are on a slippery slope.
Obama should not have paniced and got rid of Samantha …it was enough for her to make immediately that groveling apology to Hillary, and the campaign, and Obama reprimand, aside from starting a “slippery slope” around both campaigns …the 2 letters to ed in FT yesterday re Gideon’s column of Tues said it all.
Hillary should not have had to get rid of her friend and supporter Geraldine, It was enough for her to say I dont agree with her and…. “here is why “….
Sean H/Fox - has been playing these tapes for months and ranting about the “Black Separatist church Obama goes to
“and i mean months he has been showing this stuff..last night on Abrams (MSNBC) I saw the wright tape for the first time other than at FOX ….I think it was Oberman’s VERY MUCH OVER THE TOP editorial that caused that…this morning it was everywehere…
Slippery slope …over - reacting ….guilt by association… and fire this… one fire that one ..
Richard Miniter has the PERFECT response to all this NOISE about Wright…of all things it is at PG media and Obama should have read Miniter and used his arguments …he looked too defensive in the one interview I saw.
In regard to Geraldine …a lot women especially in her age group what I call the “firsts” feel same way that she does and have been talking like her for some time…probably a lot of our mothers and aunts think exactly like her …
I have been traveling and to tired to cut and paste it but read Richard Miniter PJ media and GET A GRIP…
Mar 14, 2008 - 9:20 pm Sullihan:Friday’s thread was most entertaining.
Mar 15, 2008 - 6:26 am Sullihan:Friday’s thread was most entertaining.
Mar 15, 2008 - 6:26 am sergei:This is the most fascinating campaign.
Mar 15, 2008 - 6:45 am Kandy Kid:Solon, I am happy to report that the weather in Scottsdale is beautiful and the Giants looked good yesterday thumping the Dbacks 11-6. The Kid family will be dining at a fine steak house, City Hall, and will celebrate a family birthday with a 1998 Duckhorn cabernet. All in all a fine break from politics and dreary Sacramento.
While I am a sorry I missed this tread in real time, suffice to say, racism is still alive in the USA and if Obama is the Dem. candidate, it will be a key factor in the general election. It will be interesting to watch Team Billary use its own Southern Strategy in the months ahead.
“Some people say my opponent is black. I don’t say that, but some people do.”
Mar 15, 2008 - 8:39 am Sacramento Solon:KK,
Thanks for the report. I think they play on television tomorrow…looking forward to hearing Kuip and Kruk.
Given the nature of the video above, I’m not sure things aren’t looking up for your krew!
Enjoy your family celebration!
Mar 15, 2008 - 8:59 am Sacramento Solon:KK,
Thanks for the report. I think they play on television tomorrow…looking forward to hearing Kuip and Kruk.
Given the nature of the video above, I’m not sure things aren’t looking up for your krew!
Enjoy your family celebration!
Mar 15, 2008 - 8:59 am carole w:Don’t forget SNL is on tonight:)
Mar 15, 2008 - 9:36 am Jonas Blane:What video today?
Mar 15, 2008 - 10:10 am Jonas Blane:What video today?
Mar 15, 2008 - 10:10 am James- The Historian:Melanie Morgan spent all her time on the radio talking about herself and was truly a bore. She will not be missed.
Hannity has zero gravitas. He is worth missing.
Dana is right, we need a campaign of SUBSTANCE since we live in troubling times regardless of party affiliation. All Americans need to put the greater good as their highest priority.
NWN is a valuable blog and the regulars here are almost all worthy of consideration.
Mar 15, 2008 - 10:17 am Bill Bradley:She called for some executions of people like Bill Keller, as I recall, and was one of the 17 people who claimed responsibility for the California recall who did not deserve it.
Mar 15, 2008 - 12:27 pm Bill Bradley:Indy, as distinguished from indies.
>Jonas Blane :
Mar 15, 2008 - 12:28 pm Bill Bradley:What video today?
Mar 15, 2008 10:10 AM
Indy, as distinguished from indies.
>Jonas Blane :
Mar 15, 2008 - 12:28 pm Bill Bradley:What video today?
Mar 15, 2008 10:10 AM
Fair and balanced, as always.
>carole w :
Mar 15, 2008 - 12:29 pm Bill Bradley:Don’t forget SNL is on tonight:)
Mar 15, 2008 09:36 AM
Scottsdale sounds like fun. I just talked with a friend of mine who’s driving his Corvette into Phoenix from LA.
>Kandy Kid :
Mar 15, 2008 - 12:30 pm Bill Bradley:Solon, I am happy to report that the weather in Scottsdale is beautiful and the Giants looked good yesterday thumping the Dbacks 11-6. The Kid family will be dining at a fine steak house, City Hall, and will celebrate a family birthday with a 1998 Duckhorn cabernet. All in all a fine break from politics and dreary Sacramento.
While I am a sorry I missed this tread in real time, suffice to say, racism is still alive in the USA and if Obama is the Dem. candidate, it will be a key factor in the general election. It will be interesting to watch Team Billary use its own Southern Strategy in the months ahead.
“Some people say my opponent is black. I don’t say that, but some people do.”
Mar 15, 2008 08:39 AM
Scottsdale sounds like fun. I just talked with a friend of mine who’s driving his Corvette into Phoenix from LA.
>Kandy Kid :
Mar 15, 2008 - 12:30 pm sergei:Solon, I am happy to report that the weather in Scottsdale is beautiful and the Giants looked good yesterday thumping the Dbacks 11-6. The Kid family will be dining at a fine steak house, City Hall, and will celebrate a family birthday with a 1998 Duckhorn cabernet. All in all a fine break from politics and dreary Sacramento.
While I am a sorry I missed this tread in real time, suffice to say, racism is still alive in the USA and if Obama is the Dem. candidate, it will be a key factor in the general election. It will be interesting to watch Team Billary use its own Southern Strategy in the months ahead.
“Some people say my opponent is black. I don’t say that, but some people do.”
Mar 15, 2008 08:39 AM
There has never been race like this in Moscow.
Mar 15, 2008 - 11:45 pm BIll Bradley:Well, that’s for sure.
Mar 16, 2008 - 9:10 am Bill Bradley:Incidentally, NWN passed the 53,000 comments mark sometime in the past week.
Mar 18, 2008 - 4:22 pm Bill Bradley:Incidentally, NWN passed the 53,000 comments mark sometime in the past week.
Mar 18, 2008 - 4:22 pm The Historian:ELECTION RACE, RACE ELECTION
ELECTION RACE, RACE ELECTION
America is in the midst of one of the most significant and fascinating presidential election campaigns of this or any other lifetime. We will end up with a new president who will be different from any other we have…
Mar 24, 2008 - 2:18 pm