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Chaya:

May their names be remembered for a blessing.

Jul 17, 2008 - 3:51 am Bill in New York:

Amen. VERY good article about a very worthy subject. I wish this it were headlines in major media across the country, but at least I’m glad I found it here. Thank you for writing it. As to the closing, I could not agree more. Just yesterday, I put down the Wall Street Journal after reading the letters to the editor and the opinion columns and made the remark, “It is refreshing to know that there are brilliant men and women across this country with a wealth of knowledge and experience that are ready to turn our ship of state around and put her back on course… if only we get get the incompetent government and legion of lawyers and politicians the hell out of the way, so they could do it.”

Jul 17, 2008 - 5:49 am Peggy:

The female flight attendent really gets to me and makes me think of the unrecorded heroism of these people. When I first saw it it brought to mind all that I knew about the great responsibility of the flight crews even prior to 9/11. These folks are and have always been trained professionals with the safety of their passengers being job #1, people who can be counted on to remain calm in the type of crises (air emergenies) that would reduce the rest of us to quivering jelly. Although they were not trained to deal with the events of 9/11 because no one could have forseen what happened that day, I am absolutely certain that these folks did their living best even at the cost of their lives to protect their passengers falling back on what training they already had as well as their own personal bravery. For the most part we will never know what the captains and first officers did to fight off their attackers and protect their aircraft. We have only glimpses of what the flight attendants did in response to the unthinkable. We should assume that what they did was every bit as worthy of honor as what any other first responder did on that day. I’m glad that this is being acknowledged now.

Jul 17, 2008 - 6:35 am Dave_T:

A very moving memorial, and long overdue. I am so happy to see that realistic representations were chosen, rather than the typical modern-art nightmares that seem to infest every public space these days…

A fitting tribute to those who enable our freedom to travel, and do so with dedication, cheer, compassion, and a healthy dose of common sense.

Well done.

Jul 17, 2008 - 6:35 am Greg in ATL:

This is the way memorials should be made; designed by an individual, not a committee; funded by donation, not government.

Fine work by good people honoring great people.

Jul 17, 2008 - 6:38 am Justin:

The sad fact is that civil aviation flight crew have been in the front lines in the Battle with Islamist Extremism since the 1970s.

All these great people deserve the honor and respect of the nation.

“…composed of poignant images denoting courage, dedication, and commitment, virtues that our forefathers and foremothers possessed more than two hundred thirty years ago at the birth of the nation, and which are indispensable to the effort of preserving our way of life generations into the future.”

I can think of no better eulogy than that.

Jul 17, 2008 - 7:08 am Lynn:

We will never forget. Thank you for this fine article letting us know about this fitting honor. I was awed and humbled by the scores of brave men and woman on that terrible day and the days following.

Jul 17, 2008 - 8:34 am Webutante:

Thank you for calling this important piece to our attention. It is a well-deserved memorial.

One of my old friends, now a retired captain with United and a former Navy fighter pilor in Viet Nam, was asked to be one of the first to fly from the US to London after 9/11 when planes were still grounded. There was lots of heroism in the aviation industry during and after. God bless them all and their memories.

Jul 17, 2008 - 9:09 am Annie Jacobsen:

Bravo.

Jul 17, 2008 - 9:43 am AJ:

Heroes, all. True patriots.

Jul 17, 2008 - 12:47 pm cedarford:

We confuse victimhood with heroism all too often.

We do know that some passengers and some crew acted bravely on at least one flight, but we also know that 4 cockpits were surrendered to the hijackers and that 3 planeloads of crew and passengers went to their doom like obedient sheep…perhaps they would have acted up and fought if they had known more, but never had a chance to show they were heroes or cowards..

Debra Burlingame - these 33 men and women should be remembered for their bravery, dedication to duty, and shared humanity as they faced what they knew to be the last moments of their lives.

Burlingame, bless her, is wrong. Much of the crew went out cooperating to the fullest with the hijackers from the unfortunate mindset that crew were told the safest thing to do was cooperate in hijackings. Most remained clueless that they were in the last minutes of their lives, and we only know that on Flight 93 that some of the crew (and passengers) had the bravery at the end to confront the outnumbered enemy combatants.

The “heroes” of 9/11 are for the most part like the “hero-victims” of cancer, the Space Shuttle Columbia, the London tube bombings, the Madrid train bombings. Most were just victims, any fighting back, “heroically battling chemotherapy”, or “hero rescue” was instinctual or a reflection of training.

We wish to rebel against them just being victims, we seek to invest their lives with greater meaning, especially the victims families. We even try to invest all people belonging to certain jobs they take as heroes just from wearing the uniform of a nurse, a firefighter, an Army grunt, or the suit of a teacher or “crusading lawyer and DA”. And challenging the “heroism” claimed is discouraged because it is seen as disrespectful.

Lets be honest. There is a big difference between soldiers knowingly going out in harms way acknowledging their HUMVEE could be blown up at any moment by a IED or RPG, and a Flight crew wondering until the last instants when the hijackers were going to set the plane down at JFK airport and start negotiating. Or choosing an exceedingly dangerous job like wood logging essential for society instead of being a firefighting “hero” who chooses a job with less fatalities, statistically, than serving in the equally vital for society jobs of being garbagemen or state highway roadcrew.

Jul 17, 2008 - 1:53 pm Tim Sumner:

cedarford above said, “we also know that 4 cockpits were surrendered to the hijackers and that 3 planeloads of crew and passengers went to their doom like obedient sheep.”

Cederford knows not of what he/she speaks.

From the cockpit audio and flight data recorders, at least three (and perhaps all four) of the cockpits were violently set upon, not “surrendered.” There is evidence to support the belief two flight attendants physically defended the cockpit doors on their flights. Among what we learned from the calls made by flight attendants was the seats numbers of the 19 which greatly aided their rapid identification. Those aboard Flight 77 only learned of the WTC attacks only at the last minute, while the plane was rapidly descending, turning towards the Pentagon, and too late to change the outcome. Flight attendants participated in the death charge aboard Flight 93.

Let’s be honest. While can never know it all, we know the pilots and flight attendants did what they could to defend their passengers. They were heroes, not sheep, as cedarford (above) seemed to assert.

Jul 17, 2008 - 4:11 pm Walter E. Wallis:

After 9/11, I suspect any crew and passengers would have fought - remember, the official policy before was to take skyjackers where they wanted to go and not fight back. This was a one-shot show. These passengers knew that they were dead, and so they chose not to passively accept death. God bless them, and God damn the idiots who, in the days after, still wanted to talk and find out why the Islamists did it.

Jul 17, 2008 - 4:37 pm Michael Burke:

In a sad irony, being the “last remembered” was a gift to the lasting memory of the flight crews of 9/11. Their memorial is dedicated only to their memory and the values for which they died. Free of politics and ego. Good for them. God bless them all and all involved in this project. The memorial speaks for itself, genuine to the day, recoginzing the situation and values of the day, w/o, as the intellectuals and artists always say, “telling us what to think.” It allows viewers of it to confront the truth and values the crews represented 9/11 - and really, every day before and since. It provides, in a quiet way, inspiration and resolve. It is a fine and genuine memorial. Those behind it have given a gift to America.

Jul 17, 2008 - 8:23 pm Dave:

I’d like to know what motivates someone to sit down and post, with all the authority of a fortune teller, that the pilots of these planes “surrendered to the hijackers” and that most of these flight crews conducted themselves “like obedient sheep.”

Please do no patronize Debra Burlingame (”Burlingame, bless her, is wrong.”) I suspect that she and her family, as well as the families of the 33 other flight crew members who perished that day, have invested more of their time, years more, than you anyone, investigating every last iota of evidence as to what did and did not take place on those doomed airplanes. Anyone who says they went down like “obedient sheep” has not looked at the flight data recorder of flight 77 and flight 93, or read the 9/11 Commission report, for that matter. No pilot would give the controls of his plane over to terrorists. Never. Furthermore, no pilot responsible for the lives of his passengers and crew would submit to the takeover his plane. They fought, the data recorders show they fought. And shame on anyone for choosing this particular place–the report on the long-awaited memorial to these valiant souls–to denigrate their last courageous efforts.

God bless the memory of the 9/11 flight crews.

Jul 17, 2008 - 8:26 pm winston:

this was long overdue

Jul 17, 2008 - 8:46 pm CaptDMO:

I’ll take a similar position as cedarford with this.
A feel good memorial honoring one faction of the victims (33 out of HOW MANY DIED THAT DAY?)is fine.

I don’t recall any “cockpit recordings” citing
“Let’s roll”
And I have ZERO tolerance for platitudes like “..the only uniformed service members…”
That pretty much blew any call for “special”
recognition I MAY have had.
Sad day indeed.

Jul 18, 2008 - 3:24 am Dave:

Gee, now that DMO and Cedarford have withdrawn their support, let’s take a wrecking ball to the memory of the crews, as well as all the other flight crews who went through hell that day.

God bless the 9/11 flight crews.

Jul 18, 2008 - 5:52 am CaptDMO:

Dave:
Gee, now that DMO and Cedarford have withdrawn their support…..

For the record,
In order to be withdrawn,
MY “support” for ANY such monument, implying extraordinary Hero’s remembrance for such uniformed service members,was never bestowed in the first place.

Wanna keep escalating this with brazenly fallacious implication, or leave it at “Some folks see it differently, and have bothered to explain exactly why!”?

Jul 18, 2008 - 9:43 am Peggy:

I would also strongly disagree with cedarford not because of the facts already stated but because the flightcrews learned pretty quickly on all the flights that this was no ordinary hijacking.

One, the cockpits were taken over and the hijackers took control of the planes. That is not a normal hijacking.

Two, there was at least one report from one of the planes that hit the WTC that at least one person, possibly a flight attendent had already been killed. Again not a normal hijacking. Any hijacking that escalates almost immediately to killing is obviously one would seem unlikely to intend to negotiate given that the pilots were also taken from the controls, the evidence would be bound to add up to something drastically and dangerously new.

3)One of the most gruesome and sad relics of that day was the pair of hands, later identified as one of the pilots, still locked into a pair of handcuffs. Do you shackle a sheep going meekly to his death???

You just couldn’t be more wrong. We may not have the kind of recorded evidence for all the flights like we have for Flight 93 but we have enough to know that the crews on all the flights did their absolute best with the training and the time that they had. They may not have known what was going to happen, and could only act on the information that they had, but what they had was already bad enough.

I hope that you are never put in the same kind of utterly novel situation and then judged negatively for what you failed to do.

Jul 18, 2008 - 11:31 am Peggy:

I made a serious typo above. I agree with all the arguments in defense of the flight crews.

DMO- last time I checked all flight crews wear uniforms and they wear them for a reason. Its because they are highly trained professionals and also because they are the authority on any aircraft. They can be classified as service personel in the sense that they serve the public in a safety capacity unlike any other because the margin of error for an airplane is so unlike any other means of transportation. If these folks don’t do their jobs and do them well, hundreds of people could die all at once. That they do their jobs very well every day is testified to by the fact that air disasters are so very rare. They may not serve in the military but they do serve the public and they serve us well.

I think that you most certainly misunderstood the term as it was meant. I am sure that if you actually talked to the person who said it, they would be the first to say that no, flight crews do not serve like the military does, but they do serve the public and they work every day to ensure the safety of those who fly.

Oh and the next time that you are suddenly attacked by knife weilding terroists kicking in the door, I hope that you think to utter some heroic phrase as you fight for your life or else someone might think that you just surrendered like a sheep.

If it was me, I would just fight. What time would there be for anything else?

Jul 18, 2008 - 11:52 am Peggy:

One last thing and I think I will have vented my digust for now.

I don’t think that anyone has mentioned this yet maybe assuming that it is common knowledge, but Debra Burlingame’s husband was one of those pilots being accused og going out like a sheep. He was the Captain of Flight 77. Ever think that one of the reasons the survivors of the flight crews insist on the bravery of their loved one is because they knew them personally? Did you???

I would like to see you do in person what you just in effect did here. Walk up to Mrs Burlingame and call her husband a coward who sheepishly surrendered his plane to the crazed, suicidal terrorists who forced their way into his cockpit. Oh, and I think he also served in the military flying planes as so many of the pilots did.

Yeah, a guy who not only served in the military, but could also have been counted on to continue to attempt to save any flight he captained until the last moment in the case of a mechanical failure. Yeah. That kind of guy would just go quietly.

Ok done now.

Jul 18, 2008 - 12:08 pm Mike_K:

I think the captain of AA 77 was her brother. Second, it was a novel situation and I’m sure the pilots tried to stop the takeover. Third, there is an excellent book that just came out called “Touching History” that goes into far more detail on what happened that day to all flights and the military response. How many know that there was at least one more United flight with young Arab men aboard in first class who, when the flight was quickly grounded, disappeared as soon as the passengers were allowed to deplane? Box cutters and al Qeada literature were found in their abandoned luggage. It could have been worse but for an improvised but rapid response.

The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Touching-History-Untold-Unfolded-America/dp/1416559256

Jul 18, 2008 - 1:07 pm cedarford:

Peggy, sorry, but the Bush “Heroes Narrative” breaks down in that 4-5 “cowards” confronted 45-90 “heroes” on each plane. And managed to take over cockpits and put one hijacker on controls without struggle, disposed of the second pilot easily, and then put 3 of 4 planes right on target.

The evidence suggests that the crews, professionals, did exactly as they were ordered to do. The official policy before was to take skyjackers where they wanted to go and not fight back. Except on Flight 93, they followed it. And went out largely oblivious to their impending doom until, powerless, they observed and prayed that the final attack approach on the Pentagon and WYC was all some big mistake.

Hard to claim people “would have been heroes” in a different situation, ergo…they are heroes simply from being victims in a situation where they failed to react properly out of standing orders to behave differently and lack of situational awareness.
The Greeks were the best thinkers on developing the logic of what heroism was, and the source of most of our Western thought on it until recently, when the Cult of Victimization combined with a near-Fascistic worship of people in uniform became prevelant.

The Greeks had strict criteria for heroism, since they considered true heroism “near-Godlike”.

1. It was RARE. Not everyman is capable of it, hence the considered claims of “collective heroism” were ridiculous. Where people acted commendably in tribulation, at most, they rallied around a few true heroes. And heroism was not defined as every member of broad job categories who simply showed up to do the job they were paid to do, and happened to die doing it.

2. Heroism required sustained bravery. Not a single, quick impulsive act like flopping on a grenade, doing a Banzai charge, a single vote made under threat of repercussuins. Nor did it arise in kill or be killed combat or fighting death from a disease…because….even the most cowardly beast or person will fight when cornered and having nothing to lose.

3. Heroism also required that it be not simply for saving one’s ass or risking honor for a personal principle - it must entail sacrifice for others.

It’s “nice” I suppose, if society would simply surrender to the moral blackmail of victim’s families claims and surrender to a growingly all-inclusive concept that everyone is a hero, everyone is a winner deserving of special accolades and trophies.

Except that it is a crock.

The Flight crews on the 4 planes were admirable, professional Americans, and some foreign-born who found their calling in wonderful, demanding jobs. But they were not “33 Heroes”. Most went down following hijackers orders to the letter, more than a few ordered passengers on 3 of the flights to remain seated, cooperate, and do nothing to “upset” the hijackers.
Now, crews and passengers know better than behave as sheep - but those remorseless Greeks would still not call them “heroes” even if a future planeload of 50-200+ crew and passengers DID fight 4 or 5 or one hijacker - because it’s simply then a logical kill or be killed situation, where many fight not from sustained bravery but fear and desperation.

Jul 18, 2008 - 4:43 pm cedarford:

Peggy - I would like to see you do in person what you just in effect did here. Walk up to Mrs Burlingame and call her husband a coward who sheepishly surrendered his plane to the crazed, suicidal terrorists who forced their way into his cockpit. Oh, and I think he also served in the military flying planes as so many of the pilots did.

No, now you are just playing Enforcer of the moral blackmail of victim’s families claiming they are owed tributes and money and other things for their hero-victim. “Go..Tell It…TO The Families of The Heroes”!!! is simply an attempt to say what THEY want is unchallengable because anyone who questions their demands or claims of superhuman heroism is a heartless beast. Because only a monster would not do exactly as victim’s families demand because otherwise, they only add to the suffering and grief of the “Hero’s relatives”, and make it more difficult to reach “Healing & Closure”.

In a sense, we have all too frequently let “Victims Families” and their mindlessly emotional backers, also become hijackers of our society.

And it was the woman’s brother.

And the fact he was military means little when he was under orders to cooperate with hijackers. It was standard on other hijacked flights that did not have AQ’s bloody goal to have crew surrender the cockpit space without a fight to terrorists, with one terrorist allowed to sit at the controls to monitor and make commands on radio, plane intercom. That Burlingame’s brother followed procedure does not make him a coward, but doesn’t make him a hero, either.

Jul 18, 2008 - 5:10 pm Charly Martel:

Some of those posting about the flight crews going out like sheep may be as uninformed as the rest of the public. Let’s not anyone forget how little info from the flight recorders has been made public. For some reason our “unbiased” press has made sure that most of the images and recordings from that awful day are quietly buried so the latest episode from “Survivor” or “American Idol” won’t have any competition for our attention.
(wail, moan) “Oh, it’s much too upsetting.” (wail, moan)
I think it SHOULD be upsetting, and that we need to be upset on a daily basis. NOT told to go shopping.

Jul 18, 2008 - 7:09 pm drflykilla74:

For all cedarford supposed knowledge of what does and does not constitute a hero, he displays an appalling ignorance of proper decorum and good manners. He spits on the graves of the dead who can’t respond to his insults–hardly heroic.

Jul 19, 2008 - 6:47 am Dave:

Okay, this has gone too far. This idiot poster, who’s main beef is that the victims’ families are ignorant of the facts which would clarify their loved ones’ status–hero or sheep–now claims to know that pilots sat side-by-side in the cockpit with hijackers, acting as co-pilots. You’re an idiot,sir. Taking hijackers where they want to go in a conventional hijacking is not the same as LETTING THEM FLY THE PLANE. They fought for their lives, to keep their aircraft out of the hands of criminals, and the flight data recorder on 77 and 93 reflect that. The MO of the hijackers on all four planes was the same. They killed the pilots, you jackass. You think these men sat their and allowed these people to commandeer their cockpits? You know nothing about aviation.

Now, go find some Gold Star family to quibble with.

God bless the 9/11 flight crews.

Jul 19, 2008 - 7:08 am Dave:

Oh, and remember, this memorial wasn’t built by the crews’ families, it was built by the flight crews’ colleagues, fellow flight attendants and pilots. I think their knowledge about what these people did and faced trumps this rude poster, who doesn’t have the decency to understand the utter impropriety of choosing this particular event–a memorial to the crews– to challenge their courage.

I suppose he agrees with Susan Sontag, who, a few days after 9/11, objected to the hijackers being called “cowards.”

Jul 19, 2008 - 7:14 am cedarford:

drflykilla74:
For all cedarford supposed knowledge of what does and does not constitute a hero, he displays an appalling ignorance of proper decorum and good manners. He spits on the graves of the dead who can’t respond to his insults–hardly heroic.

Again, another person presumes to be Enforcer for the victim families. Any questioning of any assertion or demand on society by a “victims family” breaches proper decorum and good manners? So the healthy thing is to be silent and - for example - acquiesce to all demands for “free” taxpayer-provided AIDs medicine from grieving lovers and families?

And questioning if all government employees globally who wear a uniform and die - are 100% Heroes? That is “spitting on the grave”?

Please.

You are just another tool brainwashed by the recent “Hero Narrative” into Fascistic worship of the organs of state security and mindlessly renaming all victims “heroes’ to invest their lives with more meaning.

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The MO of the hijackers on all four planes was the same. They killed the pilots, you jackass. You think these men sat their and allowed these people to commandeer their cockpits? You know nothing about aviation..

Actually I do, and on previous hijackings, pilots were instructed to allow hijackers to commandeer the cockpits without resistance - on the assumption that doing exactly as asked was the “safest thing.” That such behavior effectively rendered crew into sheep or at worse, actively enforcing the passengers to remain docile, calm and seated - does not make them cowards. It does not make them heroes either.
Nor does the fact that the last pilot was killed w/o warning when the time came by the hijacker team as easily as a sheep is slaughtered - does not make either a sheep or such a pilot a hero merely from being dispatched.

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I suppose he agrees with Susan Sontag, who, a few days after 9/11, objected to the hijackers being called “cowards.”

Well, these were the “cowards” who faced 70-120 “heroes” on each Flight and only failed in one mission. They voluntered for high risk, danger, and about half knew they were facing disgraceful capture if they failed, certain death if they suceeded.
It is like calling Kamikaze pilots “cowardly”.

The stupidity of the “American heroes” vs. the “cowards that hijacked the Religion of Peace” Narrative of almost 7 years ago was effectively debunked by spec ops in Afghanistan and Marines in Fallujah and their leaders in Congressional testimony who called the AQ fighters “unbelievably brave, dangerous, and committed men.” None of the guys I know who were in Afghanistan or the nephew I have that was on the front lines in Ramadi and lost 1/3rd of his platoon called the Jihadis heroes. But none called this lethal, adept foe “cowardly” either.

Jul 19, 2008 - 9:26 am Tim Sumner:

Above, cederford, you ended what you wrote with, “None of the guys I know who were in Afghanistan or the nephew I have that was on the front lines in Ramadi and lost 1/3rd of his platoon called the Jihadis heroes. But none called this lethal, adept foe “cowardly” either.”

I suspect that most of what the troops called the jihadis they faced and saw the bloody work of is unfit for print here.

Not all the heroes of this war, including the first day - 9/11 - wore uniforms. Neither Debra nor I place those who we call the heroes of 9/11 above our magnificant troops. I ask that you (cederford) review what I wrote at 4:11 PM on July 17 (above). Can you dispute that with some evidence? Are your merely unaware of the facts or just here to dispute terminology?

Jul 20, 2008 - 10:23 pm SubDoc:

Cedarford…What is your major malfunction? The memorial is place where the family members, friends, fellow crew members can go…similar to a grave site which many of the crew members do not have. Flight crew are here for the traveling public’s safety….which we too often take for granted. These flight crew are trained….they know the dangers they face and they do it willingly just like the others you mentioned. For the record, many of these pilots and flight crew are in the military reserves and have been to the front lines….have you? I have and my recommendation is to keep your mouth shut until you know what you are talking about…..which I will be happy to shut for you. Get life….and next time you get on a flight thank those that serve you…..

Jul 21, 2008 - 7:20 am cedarford:

Subdoc - The memorial is place where the family members, friends, fellow crew members can go…similar to a grave site which many of the crew members do not have.

Any are free to place a monument in private cemeteries as millions of other Americans lost at sea, lost in war or disaster or remote mishap have been.

No one objects to family memorials unless that are obtrusive on others space (like the big garbage heap creches to fallen “hero” motorists that litter many of our roads), or are grandiose extensions of a politician or special interest group’s wishes - that the masses and other politicians are expected to pay homage to (The AIDs Quilt, LBJ Library, Cynthia McKinney Highway).

Questioning a “public billboard” defining people as heroes, though? That is something that members of the public have a right to utilize free speech to question.

2.3 million people die every year in America. Few get special tribute as exceptional to the nation, even less are deserving, even less get national monuments…

For the record, many of these pilots and flight crew are in the military reserves and have been to the front lines….have you?

Now you appear to advocate glorifying anyone who served in the military in the past or went into danger in other times of their lives as “heroic” by definition.

Even if their last words were “Stay seated! Be calm. Do not fight back, or talk back to the hijackers. We will be on the ground shortly..”

And if all past combatants deserve adulation for once being on the “front lines” (I was a Gulf War participant), without distinction to how they went out or their cause, then we are talking about “hero” ex-terrorists, suicide bombers, fallen SS at Bitberg, the hero Vietnam Vet executed for killing 6 people in a robbery…

Subdoc - I have and my recommendation is to keep your mouth shut until you know what you are talking about…..which I will be happy to shut for you.

Your recommendation is as worthy of respect as your threat.

Subdoc - Get life….and next time you get on a flight thank those that serve you…..

Now you veer into the near-Fascist ground of demanding homage and worship and gratitude to any government employee or private one who has a job that impacts public safety. The hero prison guards, environmental regulators, OSHA inspectors, flight crews, heroic bus drivers, municipal garbage workers who have a job twice as dangerous as cops or firefighters.

Heroism does not come from simply dying on the job as part of certain career path. We do make an area of exception for those who volunteer or who are Drafted into national service with the expectation of risk and sacrifice. But even then, the military, internally, parcels out recognition of who is a hero and who is just honored for service in their duty or becoming a casualty - very sparingly. Medals and honors are not handed out like self-esteem trophies. And most military object when the system is perverted to hand out unearned awards for valor or accomplishment at the behest of powerful “political” senior officers, or politicians like Daniel Inouye looking for “extra awards ” for himself and his pals.

Jul 21, 2008 - 3:04 pm Cpl. TJ Derrick:

OMG, this guy Cedarcrap is a creep. People, stop responding. He’s a sad loser, banging on the families of dead 9/11 crews to go built a private (empty) grave and quite imposing on HIM. Seriously, this guy is big loser.

Jul 21, 2008 - 10:45 pm Dog T3:

No, I just figured it out, Cedarcrap’s a “municiple garbage worker.” That’s the second time he’s called trash collectors’ jobs more dangerous than cops or firefighters. He’s a stinky man!! Go Cedar! Go Cedar! It’s your birthday! It’s your birthday! Dumpster fidelis, bro.

Jul 21, 2008 - 10:50 pm Catherine:

My husband and I live in Grapevine. We attended the dedication on July 4. It was well done, not over the top. Most people were moved to tears. Anyone who thinks these flight crews are not worthy of a memorial is very wrong.

Jul 22, 2008 - 9:19 am SUBDOC:

Enough is enough! It does seem that somepeople have an answer for everything. Look folks…I went in harms way to defend the American dream the ability for cedarford to have the ability to speak the garbage that he is speaking. The 9/11 flight crew is a memorial design by, built by and paid for by fellow crew members and others who wanted to remember those and the events of Sept. 11. Cedarford doesn’t agree with the memorial…so be it….he is a person that one will never be able to win an agrument with….he ego is either too large or he is in too much emotional pain that he wants those around him to feel as miserable as he does.
Let’s not lose sight of what really matters. Thiry three people lost their life that day doing their job…they are the first causilities of this war. Because of the events on Sept. 11 air travel will never be the same. Flight crew are there for our safety and our comfort. Most of us do not realize what the crews go through on a daily basis. None of truely know what really happen inside the plan that day….all we really know is that too many lifes died that day because of some insane mad man who thought his way was better.
Cedarford, I apologize for offering to shut your mouth for you, that what said out of frustration and was wrong….and I am sure that you will have more to say….I do not think you can keep from expressing your opinion….I would encourage you to visit the memorial…..

Jul 23, 2008 - 6:20 am

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