Obama has had more drama and crap go wrong on him than any president in this past century. Do I need to enumerate all the lies that have been exposed, cabinet appointments that turned out to be crooks, people that bailed on him because he is lost in space, and he has basically not succeeded in getting anyone but democrats to vote along with this disaster of a bill let us just have a simple hypothetical situation. If Obama had been a republican, how bad do you think the press would have mauled him for all the crap Obama has done? Bush, even after Al Gore tried to steal the 2000 election and the MSM was nit picking everything he did, did not commit this many blunders. Obama is showing his lack of experience and ideology.

Don’t expect me to come around. Unlike you I do not suffer from BDS or collectivist psychosis, and I see things straight. Your over inflated opinion of yourself is getting in the way BTW. Go hit your bong and leave the adults that do not have mental disorders be please.

Sorry, Alex, but you keep misrepresenting your sources. I can’t go on humoring you. You keep repeating the same errors after I have clearly pointed out your mistakes.

If you really think that Obama has made Bush look like a genius, you are far gone enough that reality may be permanently out of your reach. If you come around, let me know.

Peace.

DS

My $ 15 trillion figure comes from CATO. I trust them on it. What? You also some kind of pothead that is pissed you are not allowed to do drugs? Frankly I could care less. Having seen the idiots that do drugs, and while many claim they have used and not been affected negatively I could care less about them because the ones that will cost me more will be the idiots that abuse it, remain opposed to its legalization. I have seen plenty of analysis that says that had we legalized drugs, even just marijuana, we would be spending trillions dealing with the consequences of rampant drug use. But that’s neither here nor there. All deflections from the real issue: the bloated and wasteful spending under democrats will make the Bush years look great.

And damn it David, let me link you to the CBO quote:

CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.

CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net. [The House bill] would have similar long-run effects, CBO said in a letter to Sen. Judd Gregg, New Hampshire Republican, who was tapped by Mr. Obama on Tuesday to be Commerce Secretary.

What part of that was unclear? And with the CBO now saying the bill’s final cost will be $3.27 trillion, you have got to be on crack to claim this bill is going to help. You can try to discredit the forecast by claiming it is propaganda, but you have no facts to dispute this with. Just covering your eyes & ears and then pretending you do not see the truth does not make it go away. At least it has not worked for me since I was about 5 years old.

Lying about Bush because of BDS is your big problem. You do a good job of hiding it but when the right buttons are pushed you lapse and show your true motivation. I am sad to point out that Obama has also in just 4 weeks made Bush look like a genius. If the MSM applied the same attitude they did to Bush Obama would now be in tears and considered a disaster. Instead, even with them covering for him, people are figuring out this guy has no clue what he is doing. And you have some gall saying that you have been shooting straight. Maybe in that fantasy land called your mind, but in the real world you have been nothing but wrong, and on purpose too.

We have not spend trillions in Iraq.

Yes we did:

At the outset of the Iraq war, the Bush administration predicted that it would cost $50 billion to $60 billion to oust Saddam Hussein, restore order and install a new government.
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Only one economist, William D. Nordhaus of Yale, seems to have come close. In a paper in December 2002, he offered a worst-case estimate of $1.9 trillion, “if the war drags on, occupation is lengthy, nation-building is costly.”
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Joseph E. Stiglitz, a Nobel Prize-winning economist and critic of the war, pegs the long-term cost at more than $4 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office and other analysts say that $1 trillion to $2 trillion is more realistic, depending on troop levels and on how long the American occupation continues.

The only war that we have spent trillions on, with absolutely nothing to show for it, is the war on poverty. $15 trillion and even more people sucking at the government’s teat.

Wrong again. Your $15 trillion figure is overinflated. And we do have other trillion dollar wars on tap. War on Drugs costs/benefits.

The United States has been spending $69 billion a year worldwide for the last 40 years, for a total of $2.5 trillion, on drug prohibition — with little to show for it. Is anyone actually benefiting from this war?
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terrorist groups worldwide that are principally financed by the sale of illegal drugs.

you continue to tout the short term effects the CBO projects while ignoring the warning they where forced to make that in the long run the stimulus will do more harm than good.

You have not shown that such a warning was made. According to the latest projections, there is unlikely to be any substantial harm in the long term.
“Beyond 2014, the legislation is estimated to reduce GDP by between zero and 0.2 percent. This long-run effect is slightly smaller than CBO estimated in its preliminary analysis of the Senate stimulus legislation last week due to refinements in our methodology.”

I am glad Bush left office. He did more wrong than he did right.

100% agreement here.

What I am opposed is the nasty attempt to make Bush look worse than he was by petty idiots that in his place would have done much worse.

Defending Bush by lying about his legacy and Obama’s policies is not likely to make him look better, and forces folks like me to gently correct you. He was bad enough that no attempt needs to be made to make him look worse – it would hardly be possible.

Are you really this shameless and crooked?

Nothing here for me to be ashamed of, except possibly continuing to waste time with Alex. I’ve been shooting pretty straight here.

Your CBO now projects that the cost of this debacle is $3.27 trillion over the next 10 years.

That would be great news for your talking points, except that projection is not a forecast for the bill in question. It is a shameless piece of propaganda, projecting spending that has not even been proposed, much less drafted into a bill. Nice way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Peace.

DS

The CBO is full of it. Look at what how the stock market is doing and what collectivists around the globe see is the trouble because of that faux stimulus bill. About the one thing they got right was the catastrophic result of borrowing this kind of money and having to pay it off later will have on the economy. If we see any economic rebound it will be because of low energy prices and the fact that the burst housing bubble has now made the housing market a good thing again. Not because government created a ton of new bureaucrat jobs and injected billions of tax payer dollars into their election campaign schemes. And you are an even bigger liar because you continue to tout the short term effects the CBO projects while ignoring the warning they where forced to make that in the long run the stimulus will do more harm than good.

I am glad Bush left office. He did more wrong than he did right. Like I told you before: Bush was a big socialist that got the GWoT right. Heck, the man allowed Congress to spend money like a democrat and yet you hate him? He did his 8 years which is what he is allowed in the Constitution. What I am opposed is the nasty attempt to make Bush look worse than he was by petty idiots that in his place would have done much worse. That and the fact that these people then use their MSM propaganda machine and one heck of an effective campaign of lies and obfuscations to elect a moron that makes Bush look like Einstein, and then have the gall to try to force us to say that he is the next coming.

The only blindness I see is from the idiots that blame Bush for everything, including natural disasters and every whack job conspiracy possible, while telling us that Obama is great. Kind of like you. Keep trying to pretend this stimulus will be good. Democrats passed it on a party line vote. I am sure when it fails you will blame Bush, but people will only buy that for so long.

PS – Are you really this shameless and crooked?

The money spent on Iraq is one of the few things I think bush did right.

Just goes to show that we have different priorities. What do you see as the upside of spending trillions in Iraq?

Have you had a good look at the stimulus bill yet? Because if you have, making the claim democrats are “righting the ship” only proves ideological stupidity. This bill makes the spending under Bush look brilliant.

Yeah, I took a look at the spending in the bill, and the CBO report projecting large improvements in the economic outlook based on the spending included in the stimulus package. I’m not looking at ideology, so your claim of “ideological stupidity” appears to apply more directly to your own refusal to admit the obvious benefits of the package. There is nothing in the world that could make Bush look brilliant.

Diebold and ESS provide machines for counting votes that are known to be hackable, and have no provision for a recount. They cripple the democratic process. Whether they were used to change election results or not, they are a bad way to vote. Thankfully, even electoral manipulation can’t reverse a groundswell of support such as Obama enjoyed.

Oh please! The money in this bill might as well be burned up fr all the stimulus t will produce.

I wonder what economist provided that forecast. Oh, you say you pulled it out of your magic hat? How nice. Apparently economics is not your strong suit.

This bill is a joke and you defending makes it obvious you are a liar or have no clue. I think it is both.

I guess if the CBO projection is untrue, I would be guilty of spreading a lie, but I don’t think that is likely. Moreover, for you to claim that I have no clue, when I’ve been working so hard to help you find your own, is very funny.

I understand that you are very concerned about Bush leaving office, but in the long run, you will eventually be able to see your own blindness for what it is.

Peace.

DS

PS – Are you really this dense?

The money spent on Iraq is one of the few things I think bush did right. And it isn’t even 20% of what was spent. What was money flushed down the hole was anything spend on socialist crap. Again, Bush won Iraq when all you losers claimed it could never happen, and for that he will be punished, huh? Get over it.

Have you had a good look at the stimulus bill yet? Because if you have, making the claim democrats are “righting the ship” only proves ideological stupidity. This bill makes the spending under Bush look brilliant. Thanks for making my point for me.

And here I thought you where the partisan hack. I mean, can you be anything else if you claim this payoff/patronage bill you claim is going to fix everything isn’t the biggest screw job tax paying Americans have ever been given? The Carter years will look good compared to what is coming our way.

Ah, finally you show your true colors! What? You also believe 9-11 was an inside job and staged so we could go kill people? Bush wanted to drown blacks in NO so he ordered the secret hurricane machine to whip one up? FEMA was ordered to go slow so blacks would die while the inept democrat fools running LA did their best? We went to Iraq to steal oil we never stole? Tell me something David. if Diebold helped republicans steal those elections, how do you think they won in 2006 and 2008? Democrats buy Diebold off to help them steal those elections too? Or are only elections won by republicans stolen? Man your kind is so predictable. And you call me partisan. Hah!

Oh please! The money in this bill might as well be burned up fr all the stimulus t will produce. Unless the democrats make it a habit of borrowing a trillion or two ever year to burn up, there will be no effect. And even then, the ultimate effect will be to damage the economy more. This bill is a joke and you defending makes it obvious you are a liar or have no clue. I think it is both.

You counting on a few more bills like this to give democrats so much tax payer funded election cash that winning elections is a given David, or are you admitting Obama might just call off elections and be done with that charade you democrats are not power stealing crooks, once and for all?

Yeah, I am having fun. Showing you for the liar you are is fun. Come back and post some more lies. I will be sure to tell others to come take a look at them.

When republicans spend it is all negative. … They might as well have burned the money!

Actually, compared to the massive waste of dollars that Iraq has become, burning the money might have been a better idea. At least we could have helped some folks’ heating bills.

But when democrats spend, and spend twice as much, it is to fix the economy.

Yes indeed. That’s about the only way to right the ship of state after Bush left us hopelessly adrift.

You would not happen to be a college professor or a democrat politician now would you?

No. I wouldn’t. You wouldn’t happen to be a judgmental partisan hack now would you?

Why stop at 3 trillion either? Go for 10 trillion outright, and run a Chavez like program to change the constitution so we can get rid of elections, or elections where you get more than one candidate, all together!

Don’t even tempt me. The closest thing America has done to this is employing ESS and Diebold to miscount our votes under GOP mandates.

I bet anyone that wants it that no matter how much money democrats claim to throw at the economy, the economy will not rebound. That’s because the bulk of that cash is simply money routed to democrats and democrat causes, which does nothing to either fix the economy, or balance the budget.

Even if this were true, which it clearly is not, democrats and democratic causes aren’t going to burn the money – they are going to spend it, which is what “economic stimulus” is for.

I give democrats exactly to the 2010 elections, maybe with the help of the MSM & the prevailing BDS to 2012.

How generous. Don’t be too upset if we stick around a few decades longer.

I am done talking to you too, unless it is to ridicule you, troll.

How mature. Have fun.

Peace.

DS

Why stop at 3 trillion either? Go for 10 trillion outright, and run a Chavez like program to change the constitution so we can get rid of elections, or elections where you get more than one candidate, all together! I bet anyone that wants it that no matter how much money democrats claim to throw at the economy, the economy will not rebound. That’s because the bulk of that cash is simply money routed to democrats and democrat causes, which does nothing to either fix the economy, or balance the budget. That’s the reason for the urgency to pass this idiotic bill: to make sure people do not get a real up close look at what is going on until it is too late.

I give democrats exactly to the 2010 elections, maybe with the help of the MSM & the prevailing BDS to 2012. At the rate they are going, unless they ban elections outright, they will soon be out of power. You might buy all the crap about how they are going to fix stuff, but I remember what really happened during the Carter years and we are heading for a much worse version of that. And democrats equate freedom and security with government taking care of people. I do not. That’s why I am not a democrat. Watch Obama do everything Bush did plus more. And watch people like you make excuses for it too.

I am done talking to you too, unless it is to ridicule you, troll.