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Nov 14, 2008 - 12:35 am 2. A Natural Patton: How Palin Nearly Saved McCain:

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Nov 14, 2008 - 12:44 am 3. Alessandro Machi:

If we believe you, then MSNBC is totally full of it. We believe you.

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Nov 14, 2008 - 1:20 am 4. C. Siegel:

We’ll be seeing more of Palin, I’m sure of it. As O’Reilly pointed out, she’s even more in the limelight now than before the election.

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Nov 14, 2008 - 3:00 am 6. Mike:

Palin is wonderful. She worked her heart out during the campaign and yes, McCain would have gotten a real drubbing if not for her. She came close to saving his campaign. If she chooses she will be a force in American politics for a long time.

By the way, I hope all you rich liberals out there are going to pay a bunch of taxes because Joe Biden said it’s your patriotic duty to do so and I am waiting for my share of the free stuff Obama promised me.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:41 am 7. DF:

How do you respond to FOX news indicating that Palin is below average intelligence? FOX reported that she thought Africa was a country and that she couldn’t name the countries that make up North America. How do you respond to FOX news reporting that Palin would routinely throw fits before, during and after briefings for the media? That her temperment was out of control? Didn’t Palin think she was an expert on foreign policy because Russia is close to Alaska? Isn’t that like saying that the govenors of all the states that border Canada, Mexico and are close to Cuba(Florida) are experts in foreign relations? She supported the AIP, this group is a radical, militant separtist organization bent on separating Alaska from the US. Doesn’t that make her a terrorist? She was in trouble and still is for abusing her powers with the trooper-gate scandal and is still awaiting trial. Palin’s interview with Katie Couric was a complete fiasco, she looked green, inexperienced and dumb. Isn’t there another scandal with her abuse of republican committee finances to purchase clothes? She accepted the money for the “bridge to nowhere”, even though she had already decried it. If it was wrong, why did she accept the money, give it back? My brother was stationed in Alaska and has told me that she is unpopular and is at serious risk for being voted out. Her family life doesn’t reflect republican values; didn’t her daughter engage in unprotected, pre-marital sex? FOX news reported that govenor Palin was the witless target of a prank call from a French radio station, where the DJs claimed to be the French Prime Minister Sarchosee. Other government officials have persons that screen their calls. Why didn’t she do that? She was running for vice-president and didn’t have enough sense to screen her calls?

“Govenor Palin has not garnered the status of America’s most highly regarded, most popular govenor for nothing.” I have never read that anywhere but here. I have never heard those words uttered from anyone’s mouth on radio,television or discussion. What survey came to this conclusion? That’s sad that only 69% of Republicans thought she helped. That means she’ll get less votes than McCain if she tries to run in 2012. This was a poorly written and thought-out article. Kyle-Anne, it’s evident you don’t have a degree in Journalism.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:28 am 8. DF:

What qualities did Sarah Palin possess that made her qualified as a vice-president? Please list them all. Also, how do these qualities make her capable of addressing the major issues facing the US?

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:39 am 9. DF:

Isn’t her husband unemployed? I don’t think the title first dude is becoming of such an important role, why didn’t he just call himself, first gentlemen? Let’s keep some dignity please. He frequently was unshaven, unkempt and poorly dressed, that doesn’t seem befitting of a man with a wife who holds a prestitious position. I am inferring that as husband to the almost vice-president, he would have been an embarasment to the country.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:47 am 10. PRODOS:

I share Kyle-Anne Shiver’s hope and enthusiasm for Sarah Palin.

However, the disparaging of John McCain which is weaved into her article is troubling and petty.

She wrote:
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“It must have been just awful for John McCain to have been upstaged the way he was by Governor Sarah Palin.”
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I noticed no signs of John McCain feeling “just awful”.

Far from it. He said he was proud of Palin and I believe he meant it. I don’t see John McCain as an envious or resentful type of individual.

On many issues I disagree with him strongly. But the evidence suggests he is a decent, honest, honorable man and deserves to be treated with respect.

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“But McCain’s time is clearly past and Palin’s is just beginning.”
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Really? There’s no need to praise Sarah Palin by putting down John McCain. How childish.

Let’s keep in mind that John McCain was the one who brought Palin into the campaign.

I’ll bet that Palin will ALWAYS be highly grateful and gracious about that.

Kyle-Anne Shiver needs to back off with the bitchiness.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:50 am 11. RE:

DF,

All those smears were debunked long ago. You don’t pay very close attention, do you?

You must have a degree in journalism.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:54 am 12. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

My Dear DF:

Every single item in your first paragraph is a rundown of gossip, innuendo and backstabbing rumor that would have been relegated to supermarket tabloids until our once-respected mainstream journalists succumbed to this playground gutter sniping. In my opinion, anyone who takes this gossip as accepted fact ought to sue one’s parents or educational institution for failure to teach one of the basic tools of adult life: Always consider the source of information. Believe only half of what you read and even less of what you hear.

On that score, I’m not asking you to agree with the opinions stated in this column. I’m merely offering them as fodder for your own little thinking cap. Opinions should be food for thought and an impetus for your own research if your curiosity has been stimulated even a smidgen.

On the assertion as fact that Governor Palin has “garnered the status of America’s most highly regarded governor,” this comes directly from Governor Palin’s own approval rating among her own constituents (the citizens of Alaska). Her approval rating since taking office has been in the 90% range continuously, and that my dear, is the highest approval rating of ANY GOVERNOR IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

If you do not know how to Google this information for yourself, any third grader can show you how.

Thanks for reading and commenting,
Kyle-Anne Shiver

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:11 am 13. Jim M:

Good grief “DF”! What are Obama’s qualifications for President????? Who are we kidding here? You say you read Fox news. Have you read Greta Van S’s lengthy two part interview with Gov. Palin that appeared on line this week. Or Camille Paglia’s piece in Salon: http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/11/12/palin/print.html Palin must be seen as a threat to the powers that be – including the Republicans ( see Christie Whitman’s hit piece in the WaPo this morning). There’s more here than meets the eye.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:42 am 14. Webutante:

Nice piece, Kyle-Anne, and right-on comment to the boorish commenter DF.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:45 am 15. Therese:

Great article Kyle-Anne! I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:59 am 16. Margaret:

Kyle-Anne, you said it all. I hope that Sarah will revel in her experience while taking good care of Alaska and then be ready for the national stage again.

Maybe by then people will be ready for her message and leadership after our country is economically and socially ruined by the Democrat dunder-head and crew in Congress. Obama is the premier example of affirmative action gone too far — totally unqualified “hire” to redeem the past.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:02 am 17. Broadsword:

I respond to this, “How do you respond to FOX news indicating that Palin is below average intelligence?” with just three words, “Joe Biden.” And this, if she is below “average intelligence” why didn’t the “below average intelligence” voters who were suckered by The Inflated One elect one of their own? And why was The Inflated One too chicken-shite to appear on FOX News, hmmmm?

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:17 am 18. Broadsword:

Hmmm…I missed this. DF, does that stand for ‘Dumb Phock’?

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:21 am 19. Vinny Vidivici:

DF:

I’ll answer your question if you can tell me what qualified single-term former senator John Edwards to be Veep in 2004. Details please, on his foreign policy and executive experience. For that matter, can you tell us what foreign policy experience Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter had which qualified them for the top of their respective tickets?

Seems the standards invoked for the Alaska Governor apply to her and her alone.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:35 am 20. Barbara:

Right on Kyle-Anne, but I must ephasize that Sarah enabled me to vote for McShame without having to hold my nose. Her resume makes the three men in the race look like the do nothing chumps they are.

If Obama ever produces an authentic birth certifigate and is truly our pres, GOD HELP US, I will respect the office but never the man. Like the morons who support our troops but not the war that our valiant troops are willing to put their life on the line for.

If Obama is not really legal does that mean we are to have Biden or does the Reps get the office by default, or a run off??? But then Palin was thrown under the bus and it took Mac 6 days to address it and on late night TV, OMG, a press conference would have been the appropriate way to handle it and in short order not 6 days.

Yup, we have a lot of work to do to get Conservativism back into our party and take back our country from the Marxist liberals

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:39 am 21. Letters From A Tory:

I’m sorry but you’ve completely missed the point here.

Sarah Palin’s support among Republican was never in doubt – in fact, I’d be amazed if she didn’t command huge support from the Republicans. However, she terrified the moderates and independents that McCain was starting to appeal to, and her appalling (and very embarrassing) TV interviews made it clear that she was not up to the job of being VP.

Your percentages figures are, frankly, meaningless.

http://www.lettersfromatory.com

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:40 am 22. Barbara:

DF

We know what your initials stand for, Dumb _ I leave the F for the imagination

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:42 am 23. anton:

Hey DF, your guy thought his uncle liberated Auschwitz (my read is that it was the Russian army, not the US that did that- maybe that explains O’s commie tendencies, his uncle was a Red) he also thought that there were 57 states and openlky considered invading Pakistan (an ally, if a poor one).

Biden had FDR addressing the pubilc via TELEVISION in 1929!!!

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:47 am 24. goy:

Brava, Kyle-Anne! BRAVA!

It’s been much more than heartbreaking. Gov. Palin represents the character, persona and promise of the Founders far better than many of those who’ve been elected President. This is what terrifies the elites in control and their lapdogs in the press so completely. But to see so many Americans duped into gleefully spitting in her face at every opportunity – dutifully parroting the entrenched media’s lies, innuendo and irrelevancies as DF and many others on this site have done in order to stoke their own fragile egos – makes it crystal clear how completely so much of this once-visionary nation and society has abandoned its calling.

Palin’s selection was McCain’s one inspired action in an otherwise self-defeating campaign. She and Joe Wurzelbacher both proved that no matter how low the left and their entrenched Fifth Column stoop to destroy the lives and families of Americans, real Americans get up with a wink and a smile and fight back. Because Patton was right: real Americans love a fight – if that fight means something. And preserving the Republic means a lot more to many more people than someone like DF can possibly fathom.

BTW, I noticed on your blogroll no link to Bob Godwin’s site, which I highly recommend. It’ll make a nice replacement for the link to Moran’s Nuthouse, IMHO.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:48 am 25. Martge:

Why do you think the bunch of crooks in Chicago contributed to throwing Hillary under the bus and getting obama to be the candidate. They knew the dems were going to win and this would be the only only only chance they would have a piece of crap like obama win. Look at the poll – Hillary clinton would have pulled in almost a 60% vote to obama a little over 50, what does that tell you. The democrats deserve exactly what they have got the most awful piece of trash to ever have pRESIDENT before his name.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:51 am 26. anton:

And that is stuff that made it past the “in the tank” media’s filters!!

Tory, Palin didn’t scare off too many the O didn’t win by much of a margin.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:57 am 27. elvis:

Excellent article and way to fight back Kyle-Ann Shiver!
Most of the people that voted for Obama have the emotional stability of a spoiled adolescent and the where with all of a third grader. That includes any sense of self determination or independence.
Again a GREAT article.
Love Elvis
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Nov 14, 2008 - 7:09 am 28. Larry Sheldon:

I just wish I could believe that this election is over.

I think it is not, although America as it should have been probably is.

With a bullet-proof Congress and a Supreme Court brought to heel, can A Constitutional Convention to rid us of the burdensome Constitution be far off?

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:11 am 29. Javelin:

Wow, a simple minded military metaphor for a simple minded piece. All Palin did was deliver a bunch of reactionary dimwits, identity politics, who never would have voted for Obama or any Dem anyways. The idea that Hillary supporters would switch to her based on sex was ludicrous when they had nothing else in common.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:14 am 30. goy:

Tory – here’s some reality to rub on that nasty fantasy you’ve got there under your nose:

ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview

CNN Distorts Palin Comments From Its OWN Interview With Her

Couric Studied With Anti-Palin Advisers Before Palin Interview

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:20 am 31. Zbigniew Mazurak:

But I wouldn’t pick her as the GOP’s 2012 presidential nominee if I was to decide. Rather, I’d choose her as the successor of Senator Ted Stevens.

The 2012 presidential nomination of the GOP should be given to Hunter or Romney.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:22 am 32. Jake in Pittsburgh:

Her opponents doth protest too much.

If she is such a loser, such an imbecile, such a hapless schlub, why do the media and lefties and Republican lifers spend so much time and energy trashing her?

Because they know she is polticially sensational. She came out of nowhere (at least to those who don’t read widely in the blogosphere), and, in ten weeks, became **the** story of the campaign, nearly pulling McCain’s fat out of the fryer. No one who wanted McCain to win and who has any sense is wringing their hands that Mitt Romney wasn’t on the ticket.

Those who are laying into her either (a) have no political antennae or (b) rightly fear the force she can become (and this includes a lot of righties and Republican operatives).

It may take a while a la Nixon building back from 1960 or Reagan building back from 1976, but she can get there.

The key is to remain true to herself. If she remains as genuine, authentic and straightforward as she has been over these past months (when many of those same Republicans weren’t “handling” her nomination), she is political dynamite.

Anyone telling you differently doesn’t know what they’re talking about, or recognizes it and wants to squash it.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:26 am 33. goy:

javelina, 16% of McCain voters were Hillary supporters who, contrary to your assertion, switched. Over half of those were women. This is much more conclusive than your unsupported blather.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:28 am 34. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

Dear Goy,

Thank you! I was just about to inform Javelina myself on this point, but you’ve saved me the trouble. Thanks too for those terrific links.

I’ve also visited the site you recommended and am now adding it to my blog roll. Excellent site. Love this guy’s sense of humor and terrific word plays. Thank you!

Best regards,
Kyle-Anne

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:37 am 35. goy:

You’re welcome K-A. Thank YOU!

And BTW, you’ll run across it on Bob’s site, but his One Cosmos Under God is pure genius, IMHO.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:51 am 36. kastaco:

To DF # 8

Sarah palin had just as much “experience and Obama, so how is it that experience does not matter for Obama, but does matter for Palin?

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:38 am 37. Dr. Lumplevin:

Just yesterday, in my group therapy session at the San Fransisco Zen Center, were talking about this. We were discussing exactly why %^&!%$ Palin incites so many of us peace-loving open-minded people dedicated to humanitarianism, tolerance, women’s lib, and world peace into deep, scary, vein-popping levels of hatred, not to speak of clinically off-the-charts exhibitions of Tourette’s Syndrome. One of our group, a screen writer for sex therapy films, suddenly had a glorious epiphany. “Hey! We are not really all that bad!” he almost screamed, almost spilling his raspberry double-macadamia nut frappé. “No?” we asked hopefully in stunned unison. “NO!” he screamed letting his super-ego take a backseat to his id. “It’s all her fault! Everytime they criticize an Obama position or associate, they are being like the racist bigots who burned alive those little black school girls in Alabama! I am seeing it now…We are not guilty!” (Although later, some cynically thought he might have been seeing an old newsfeed about Rep. Lewis’ statements on his iPhone.) Oh it was incredible! We all leaped up in childlike joy and release, and started taking off our clothes while marching in a circle chanting, “Kill Ms. Piggie! Kill Ms. Piggie! Kill Ms. Piggie!” It was so liberating!

Therapy is wonderful!

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:50 am 38. Jim Phend:

Excellent analysis and an excellent candidate. She’s the only reason McLame was even in the ball park on 11-4-08.

I’d like to see her pick Gen. Petreus or Ann Coulter for VP in ‘08. They’ll defeat the worst black president without even trying!

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:09 am 39. Tom:

What people are starting to find out is that Sarah Palin is actually a really down to earth good person. I couldn’t find even one statement about her that was critical without later finding out it was not true. In fact, the real only criticism of her that is legit. is that she doesn’t have experience with issues that face us nationally. She is not ready for the presidency, but she was picked for the veep spot which she would have been fine. Also, much of the criticism is driven especially by leftist women in the MSM, who many have had abortions. For these women, Sarah Palin is a constant reminder that they chose to abort their baby. The sight of her baby Trig can be really devestating and open up old wounds that still have not healed. Abortion follows these women and the men who supported it for the rest of their lives.

Although comparing her to Patton is over the top, she did seem to want to win where McCain didn’t seem to want to win as much. She realized what was at stake. McCain just wanted to be liked.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:20 am 40. Tom:

By the way, if she runs for POTUS in the future, an excellent choice for VP would be General Petreaus.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:22 am 41. Tom:

” DF:

Isn’t her husband unemployed? I don’t think the title first dude is becoming of such an important role, why didn’t he just call himself, first gentlemen? Let’s keep some dignity please. He frequently was unshaven, unkempt and poorly dressed, that doesn’t seem befitting of a man with a wife who holds a prestitious position. I am inferring that as husband to the almost vice-president, he would have been an embarasment to the country.
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DF,

That was a goatee on Todd. It’s actually not an uncommon way for men to shave/cut their facial hair. I’ve seen it quite a bit. And let me tell you, EVERY woman I talked to during this campaign thought Todd Palin was handsome. I didn’t even find one who thought he wasn’t. I even received feedback from a black Obama supporter and she wanted Todd something fierce to ‘improve’ race relations. We laughed together over that.

Just the sight of Todd and Sarah together probably makes many women jealous. Obviously, this is a very happy couple with a warm family, and all those angry, single, bitter, lonely woman juiced up on battery-powered devices (Maureen Dowd comes to mind) cannot contain their seething envy.

You cannot beat a truly loving relationship where you can give 100% and your mate gives back. I envy them too, but I am not bitter at all. More power to all loving couples everywhere, and may they set an example for us.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:32 am 42. RE:

Tom,

Intriguing idea. I think a Palin/Patreaus ticket would cause the Left to spontaneouslsy combust.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:37 am 43. Tom:

“. Javelin:

Wow, a simple minded military metaphor for a simple minded piece. All Palin did was deliver a bunch of reactionary dimwits, identity politics, who never would have voted for Obama or any Dem anyways. The idea that Hillary supporters would switch to her based on sex was ludicrous when they had nothing else in common.
”

It’s true. Many of them did. When I was at the Palin rally in Polk City, FL, the whole time I was there with a Hillary supporter who loved her. She said she was pro-choice but she liked Sarah and thought she was a great inspiration to girls and young women. She said she was voting for McCain because of Palin. I spent 3 hours with this woman. It really opened up my eyes to how appealing Sarah is to many voters ONCE you get to know her and can get past the MSM attacking her unfairly on behalf of Obama. She’s a winner. She ain’t no old-boy network type.

She is a threat to the old-school country club Republicans who have abandoned sound conservative values of limited government, freedom, strong defense, etc.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:44 am 44. narciso:

It seems unfair that Sarah has to carry the entire Republican party; the state of Alaska, and deal with her family. Every considerable lie, omission, slander, (even of a pornographic
nature) has been deployed against her. And yet she still perseveres, even showing those weak kneed Republican governor the way forward. And yet they still throw a fit behind the scenes; like spoiled children. Would the Russians be brandishing missiles now; if Sarah were No 2. There’s a reason they called her, the Okhanitsa.
(the Huntress) She reminds Chavez of the other former beauty queen, who gave him a run for his money. Maybe we don’t deserve you. Sarah. we can go back to losing with retreads like McCain,
Dole, et al.

Most of the losing or leaning lost seats;almost entirely were moderates who were swamped by the Democrat onslaught (Dole, Smith, Sununu was one of the exceptions) Chaffee thought he’d be safe in the last go around, by being vehemently anti-Bush; there’s always some one more militantly so.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:51 am 45. Ed:

It seemed that Romney would be a better choice for republican ticket to white house in 2012. Sarah Palin only appeals to the republican base. Unfortunately the country is not composed of just core republican base, there are other people like democrats, independent, moderate republican and people who are standing in the center, no extreme left or right. and Unfortunately those people form a majority and majority rules.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:55 am 46. Tennwriter:

Or Petraus for Secretary of War, um, Defense.

But I have to admit I’d vote very happily for Palin/Patreaus.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:57 am 47. Ed:

and I can see this is a Sarah Palin fan base site, judging from all the comments here. People, this woman is smart and feisty. But she needs to learn and prepare herself better before entering the national political stage. Willing to fight is not enough quality to win over majority. I wish her the best and but hope she will go back to Alsaka, be a good governor first, and study hard for a few years, and then maybe, there is a chance for her.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:12 am 48. cedarford:

A poll of Republicans showing 69% of them loved Palin, when Republicans are a shrinking minority of the electorate and independents and Reagan Democrats are moving away from them is a pretty meaningless poll statistic. Just as “relevant” as someone citing a poll showing university profs loving, loving! the Joe Biden pick by 84% is meaningless.

What is important is the exit polls that had independents, young women, college grads, hispanics saying Palin hurt the Republicans and influenced their vote to go against Republicans vs. the opposite.

When you shrink down enough, lose enough states where Republicans are competitive just from their “pure” middle aged white evangelical conservatives….it really becomes simple Math. You created a structural minority and no amount of “exciting and turning out the Fundies and small town non-college grad whites” will matter.
The new Goddess of the Right Wing, Palin, could theoretically lather up the whole Base to a level of motivation and ecstasy only just below the 2nd coming of Christ and pile up HUGE margins in Arkansas, Alabama, the “hollers” of Kentucky and It-Just-Won’t Matter!

We are talking about a Republican Party shrunk to the Bible Belt and a smattering of small Electoral Colege vote and House vote States in the West and Midwest now trending Democratic.

That means a “core conservative Base” of 185 Electoral votes, 30 Senate seats, and around 160 solid Base or Fundie-Land House Districts.
Look backwards to the good ‘ol 1950s, failed Reaganomics theory, and continue the campaign of intolerance of RINOs, Mormons, hispanic and other Catholics, and continue to abandon the job and health care concerns of the working and middle class??? All that fixed by a telegenic personality – the Cult of Sarah Palin – and how “good” she makes hardcore religious conservatives and right-wing cultural warriors “feel in their heart”???

Well, yes, with the Goddess Palin “exciting” the Base, they might very well get 160 or so Electoral College votes in States by huge margins. Sneak in another 20-40 in close states.

They could have many of the 30 Senate seats secured by evangelical, RTL ecstasy. Get the Southern House seats by big pluralities of the “Terri Schiavo is alive and just as intelligent and aware as I am!!” crowds. (but not the traitorous New South seats or big city Congressional Districts in Red States)

All that means is the Base can turn out all it wants in their newly shrunk area and win huge pluralities in it – but never have control of the Presidency or the two chambers of Congress or nominating Appelate judges including SCOTUS again.

Not unless they change their tired old “what would Saint Reagan do??” dogma, more wars for Israel!,Fundie values, cast out the unbelievers…

ACT..and behave like adults again and work to change policy and strategy to get states like Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Colorado, and yes, RINO-States back. Us Republicans will not get there with a Cult of Personality set up around an Alaskan newbie who apparantly has huge knowledge holes, a previous lack of curiosity about world affairs and Lower 48 matters, and has difficulty talking in coherent sentences when she is off-script.

Otherwise, enjoy being pure and out of power…knowing you sure told off those evolutionists, Mormons, college educated people Joe the Plumber could out-bowl, science-based independents, atheist libertarians, workers lacking health care coverage, and all the scummy pro-choice moderates, Papist hispanics, and younger women.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:13 am 49. RV:

Of course she prevailed against the attacks against her, even though some of those attacks had merit, such as outright lying to the people about the bridge, complainging about “spreading the wealth” when she herself has set up smiliar programs in Alaska, the horrible interviews she gave, and outright lying that she was found to not have committed any ethical violations in the “trooper-gate” story. Despite these things and many others, people still liked her. Why?

Because she was down to Earth and like the common person. People like that. However, I have given this a tremendous amount of thought, and cannot come up for any intelligent or logical reason for this. How anyone could want a “down-to-earth” “average-joe” person to be leader of the strongest nation in the history of this planet is beyond me. “People want someone they can have a beer with!” Rreally? REALLY? How the heck is that possible? How is it possible people want someone like that running a nation? I will never understand this, ever. I want someone who is vastly more educated than I am. I want someone who has spent years on the political scence, nationaly and locally, and who has a deep knowledge of the history behind both. I want someone who is far and above “normal” and “average”. There were many republican women who fit this bill, but I cannot believe that Sarah Palin was one of them. I cannot believe that Sarah Palin was anything greater than “above average”.

Two things might have moved me to John McCain. 1. He stayed in character that we knew and loved. This was impossible for him, especially after he brought the like and Rove and Davis onto his team. His campaign went really, really negative at that point. 2. He had not choosen Sarah Palin. I cannot believe that world leaders would have taken her seriously given her mannerisms and lack of knowledge about most things global.

I really hope that republican party can get back to intelectualism sometime soon, put all this “cultural war” stuff on the back burner. Become the party of ideas again.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:14 am 50. Mike:

Dr. Lumplevin:

Great post! I loved it.

By the way, I hope all you rich liberals out there are going to pay a bunch of taxes because Joe Biden said it’s your patriotic duty to do so and I am waiting for my share of the free stuff Obama promised me.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:22 am 51. Sandra M:

Sarah Palin was terrific until the McCain handlers got to her. Now that she’s free of their influence she’s even more impressive. She will be a terrific candidate for president in 2012, and I’d like to see Bobby Jindal on the ticket as VP to cut all the billions of government waste dragging us down.

Mitt Romney has a terrific and very likeable wife, but there is something hidden, secretive, distrustful of the American people about him. He can never close the sale with the American people. He is a very hard worker with a great history of success, and I think he would be a valuable addition to any Republican administration, but compared to the charisma and warmth and great speaking ability of Governor Palin, he has no chance to win the Presidency.

Yesterday, at the Republican Governors’ conference and in the 2 1/2 hour Greta Van Sustern interviews, Palin showed herself to be very smart, very knowledgeable on energy — issues which are of critical importance domestically and in dealing with foreign dictators who mean us harm and want to use oil as a weapon.

Yes, she’s a female Patton, a Boadicea, a Reagan reborn. And every appearance she makes will just add to her popularity with the American people.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:29 am 52. Pepi:

Ed, with all due respect…Don’t you think we have catered enough to the people you speak of? we need to get back to our core principles and lose the politicians that don’t represent us as conservatives. McCain is a prime example of someone who was well liked by the dems, libs and the moderates, during the primaries of course. Once the general election came around that story changed. If it weren’t for Gov. Palin I would have sat out this election cycle instead of voting for McCain and I’m sure there are plenty of people that felt the same way.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:33 am 53. Ed:

RV:

“I really hope that republican party can get back to intelectualism sometime soon, put all this “cultural war” stuff on the back burner. Become the party of ideas again”

well said. thank you.
Ed

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:33 am 54. John the Libertarian:

Thank you for this article. I was getting so sick and tired of the whining RINOs on this site. Palin needs to get a subscription to Stratfor and read it religiously for the next two years. And stop being a people-pleaser and be more of a Maggie Thatcher.

It’s folks like RV that make me cringe at the latent sexism at work here. W was characterized as a plain-speaking (more to: garbled-speaking) flunkee of cowboy rhetoric, and yet was considered a stalwart leader of headstrong conviction. But Palin? A plain-speaking flunkee of frontier-woman rhetoric? Somehow that’s just *not* acceptable.

It’s ’cause she wears a skirt, isn’t it?

Intellectuals are not effective leaders. They don’t have the personal strength to see a grueling ambition like Iraq through to the end, but will parse and pivot and come undone.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:40 am 55. Robert Hurley:

As a liberal Democrat, I applaud your support of Sarah Palin as the Republican candidate for President in 21012. There is no one I would rather see as your candidate.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:02 am 56. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Indeed

Nobody ever defended anything successfully; there is only attack and attack and attack some more. — General George S. Patton

A proven axiom of battle is as follows….

The logical outcome of defensive warfare is defeat.

That applies to traditional war and to politics. And I think we just witnessed it’s proof in politics as of 4 November 2008.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Politics are very much like war. We may even have to use poison gas at times. -- Winston Churchill]

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:03 am 57. Kicking Over My Traces: Patton in a Skirt and High Heels:

[...] Kyle-Anne Shiver makes a case for happy warrior Sarah Palin as a Patton protegée: [...]

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:06 am 58. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Robert Hurley
RE: Careful….

There is no one I would rather see as your candidate. — Robert Hurley

….what you wish for.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Your reverse psychology Jedi-mind tricks won't work on us.]

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:08 am 59. jane:

19. Vinny Vidivici: excellent point. I certainly don’t recall that much interest in John Edwars world view when he was a single-term Senator running for VP. Hard to recall what he brought to the Democratic ticket other than the idea he could get his state for the Dems.

As for the First Dude – it is clear DF is not a woman because as one I can say there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with the way he looks.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:09 am 60. Self-hating boomer:

Sarah Palin can’t do this all by herself. Without a whole generation of Young Turks in the Republican party, it’s all over. It’s not an either-or question. Unless she, and Jindal, and Cantor, and a dozen others form a vanguard of Pattonesque attackers, we’re headed for where Mexico was – a one party rule of the institutionalized revolution – i.e. a permanent Chicago political machine running everything.

The coming generation either fights its way out of this, or Lincoln’s last best hope is over, and the American revolution was for naught.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:18 am 61. Ed:

Pepi:

Thanks for the comments. In fact I know a lot of people (including myself) sit out this election cycle because McCain’s choice of Gov. Palin. It was an irresponsible one. That is not to say that I think it was Sarah Palin who cost the election. That would be unfair to her. However, my point is that if the republican party wants to win next time, the likely candidate would be some one who can get votes from the independents and moderate republicans. Maybe even some moderate Democrats. It seemed to me that we as people who believe in republican principles should use this time to reflect what conservatism means, rather than just follow someone who has a persona but lack of knowledge needed for the most complex job in the world. Sarah Palin has a bright future, I do believe that she will continue to be and if she wants to a be a major player for the republican party, she will, have to work hard and learn.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:21 am 62. kevin c:

EVEN IF SARAH PALIN NEVER BECOMES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHE HAS DONE HER COUNTRY A GREAT SERVICE. SHE HAS EXPOSED THE HATRED OF AMERICA IN ACADEMIA,MEDIA AND POLITICS. SHE HAS EXPOSED THE PHONINESS OF WASHINGTON DC AND THE ELITIST SNIDE SCUM WHO RESIDE THERE(INCLUDING SO-CALLED REPUBLICANS). SHE HAS ALSO BROUGHT FORTH TO THOUSANDS OF YOUNG WOMEN THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF REAL AMERICANS WHO CAN REACH FOR THE BRASS RING. AND LEAVE HER HUSBAND ALONE. ANY MARRIAGE IS ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER. ITS UP TO HER AND HER HUSBAND HOW THERES WORKS, NOT FOR SOME MEDIA SLIME LIKE MSNBC(KIETH OLBERMANN-EVERY GAL HES AROUND ENDS UP HATING HIM- I CAN SEE WHY).

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:40 am 63. kdman:

couldn’t agree more/ goodbye McCain/Dole – same “my turn” losers. Great men, but losers.

DF -learn how to spell, read, oh well forget it. you’re a typical liberal, mindless twit.

Tory – check out the TRUTH. If you dare. ANd while you’re at it research the list, and it is a list, of errors, lies, and misstatements that your boy Biden committed in the VP debate. Oh, and Charlie Gibson was the one that had the Bush Doctrine wrong, not Palin. But you can’t handle the truth.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:48 am 64. oldguy:

Here is why Palin catches a lot of flak.
The political power structure of both
parties realize that for some years to come,
Obama may well be the last male to occupy
the White House.
Hillery was caught in this flak as well, and
I think a lot of women have come to understand
what kind of game is being played on them. Of
course you will always have the female camp-
followers to contend with but their number
will continue to dwindle as time goes on.

Oldguy

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:49 am 65. Jim Baker:

If Palin had been at the top of the ticket, most of the campaign strategy Obama revised, after the Iraq war wouldn’t work anymore, would not have been possible. McCain couldn’t defend himself against the charges of being too old and just as liberal as his opponent. It is obvious, to anyone who pays attention, that Palin kept this from being a landslide of epic proportions. That said, I believe the Republicans should have a donnybrooke in the next primary season, and maybe someone better than Palin will emerge.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:11 pm 66. glc:

Governor Sarah Palin has my vote.

Here, here!!!!

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:21 pm 67. kochevnik:

Robert,

“I applaud your support of Sarah Palin as the Republican candidate for President in 21012.”

I prefer 42108. That way Jesus will have time to return to earth and bring on the rapture for Sara. As well, she should have enough experience by then. Perhaps she will even fly into Russian airspace by then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9V_aOCga0

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:28 pm 68. herro!:

Who cares about Sarah Palin? She’s a loser and not worth discussing.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:41 pm 69. Jerry:

Kyle-Ann, thank you for bringing ‘hope’ to us forlorn conservatives. 2012 can’t get here fast enough, if this country survives the storm about to break. ‘01/21/13 FREEDOM RINGS IN AMERICA’

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:42 pm 70. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Palin’s Impact

As I explained to the county Party apparatchik at last Tuesday Central Committee meeting, that I voted for Palin and NOT for McCain. That, in the hope of her early promotion to the Oval Office.

If she runs again in 2012, or for Senate in 2010….enroute to a run for the presidency in 2012, more power to her. I think if we have a truly honest and conservative ticket, we can clean up this mess. And that’s at all levels of the Party. The point being that the whole Party needs to be cleaned-up. That includes in my county, where the chair looks to me like he deliberately destroyed our ability to reach out and communicate to the population because doing so on the web would be against his wife’s and father-in-laws benefit, as they own the local newspaper.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Work smarter, not harder. -- Apple motto]

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:53 pm 71. Claire Solt:

Those who want to parse the polls to argue for her limited appeal should also think about the record breaking ratings she draws whenever she is on TV.
Also, we should remember that it was her job to represent McCain’s views in those interviews. I don’t think we kow what she thinks or knows. It does seem to me that she is low key on social conservatism, acting as if her views are private and personal. Why would that offend others?

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:56 pm 72. John Skookum:

Sarah is going to be a far more formidable force than the sneering Democrats here may think. Here’s why:

1. Preparation. She is a smart woman (former NHS member) and a quick study. She knows she wasn’t ready this year and will not let herself be put in that position again. She will be hitting the books, I guarantee you, and traveling, and spending lots of time talking to lots of smart people over the next four years. I expect she will also study with some speech and debate specialists to improve her interview performances, but just knowing the foreign-policy material etc. will help her speaking immeasurably. She is a lights-out debater and speaker when she knows the material.

2. Money & organization. She’s going to be setting up a PAC any day now, and her fans will be donating vast sums to it throughout the next four years. She’ll be able to collect a lot of favors in 2010 and get off to a terrific start in 2012. Thanks to Obama, public financing is history. She will collect and spend a BILLION dollars, I predict. She’ll have well-paid staff, a stellar on-line presence, and an excellent ground game, all of which which were totally lacking in the McCain campaign this year.

3. Familiarity. Sarah scared some of the moderate and independent women off this year. By 2012, she will have been on Oprah and the other daytime shows a hundred times. She’ll be BFF with most of the housewives in America. She never took any steps to ram her religion down peoples’ throats as Governor, and once they know their precious abortion rights are not seriously threatened, she’ll look a lot better to the broad middle ground of women voters. Her favorable/unfavorable ratings are already up significantly since the election, 51/42 last I read.

4. Events. We are headed for a major downturn, the hardest times most people will have experienced in their lives. Obama and his stenographers in the media will try to blame it all on Bush, but that’s not how things work in the public’s mind. Unless the recovery is extremely rapid, Obama will stink like week-old mackerel in 2012.

5. Fickleness and fairness. Obama collected a lot of votes from low-information voters on both sides of the aisle. Many of them were simply taken with the idea of giving a black man a turn at the top. They could very easily decide it’s a woman’s turn next time. Americans love the underdog, love self-made men and women, and love giving people second chances. Nixon and Reagan did it, and Palin will too.

You lefties know all this is true. For all your contemptuous false bravado, you know what a threat she is to Obama. If you didn’t, there wouldn’t be one-twentieth of the ongoing attacks we’re seeing. Here we are almost two weeks after the election, and she is still getting as much press as Obama and Biden put together. There is endless fascination with this woman and her amazing story. Sarah Palin is absolutely not going anywhere, except to the White House in 2012.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:57 pm 73. Gin789:

I voted for McCain Palin and will gladly vote for Palin in 2012 but not if Petraus that a– kissing littlechicken sh– is on the ballot. She can do much better then that and should pick another women for a running mate. These men that have been running the show have been doing a terrible job and the people are going to be very unhappy with the piece of trash they have elected this time. I still think he will never be president . He will either be proven that he is not eligible or they will declare martial law.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:58 pm 74. ants:

In response to DF, so typical of the decerebrate Obama supporters: It is President Sarkozy, not Prime Minister Sarchosee. Todd Palin works for a living. He’s a commercial fisherman, and he works on the North slope of Alaska for an oil company. Oh, Horrors! Those evil oil companies, say the Obamadecerebrate zombies. But, alas, on January 20, 2009, we’ll have a real manly man in the white house, and his name is Michelle.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:01 pm 75. John Austin TX fitness:

Interesting numbers: Palin favored over Huck and Mitt combined and by a very wide margin. The state party could not control her. Will the national power in the party try to tear her down?

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:09 pm 76. Pat J:

1. Preparation. – I think the Couric interview speaks volumes about her “preparedness.”
2. Money & organization. – She could. But Romney had a lot of money too. Look what happened to him.
3. Familiarity. – Yeah, but the more people find out about her, the more she comes across as a retard.
4. Events. – But, it IS Bush’s fault! LEt history be the judge. It will take time to clean up the chimp droppings.
5. Fickleness and fairness. – No. A lot of Obama’s voters were well-informed and saw the McCain/Palin ticket as Bush’s third term.

And all of this is true!

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:11 pm 77. Dave:

I’m sick and tired of Palin-bashing. So much of it, left AND right (J Rubin being the latest conservative example), all based on an incorrect assessment of her ‘intellect’.

She doesn’t talk like a Harvard graduate.

SO WHAT?!?!

I didn’t even finish college, but just reading on my own I’ve come up with a fairly deep understanding of the world’s problems and what the best solutions might be. I’d debate with anyone, anytime, in front of anyone and everyone, on those topics and on domestic economic policy too. I understand how the world works, owned a multimillion dollar business with 25 employees, achieved national notoriety in my field including nominations for national awards (no, I”m not telling you what my field is ) and was a public speaker as a part of my job.

Now, during the debate I’m beggin’ for, I might not sound like a college graduate myself. I might drop the G from lots of words, like beggin’. I might resort to redneck metaphors. And I might need an occasional clarifying boost before I”m up to speed on some arcane element of the impenetrable fog of American wonkage…

But I know, because I can do it, that it does NOT take a postgraduate degree from an Ivy League school to understand this stuff. It’s just like Journalism– they try to make it seem complex and mysterious, only to build themselves up in the public eye as some sort of experts. BUT THEY”RE NOT. Journalism is ’see it, write it down, who, what, when, where, why.” NOT COMPLICATED.

Policy isn’t either, when you approach it with PRINCIPLES IN PLACE. Follow your principles and you won’t get into any deep deep muddy places.

It’s the principl-free ‘expertise’ that I have come to DEPLORE, because it isn’t transparent. IT CANNOT BE, because if it were, the public would know these people are all morons. So they conceal their mediocrity behind a screen of ’shades of grey’, levels of complexity.

Gawd that makes me mad.

Sarah Palin is ready for anything. She’s smart, tough, principled and unafraid. That’s OVERQUALIFIED, in my book.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:19 pm 78. Blake:

Ed, you’re a dolt.

The base is what cost McCain the election. McCain went in, expecting he’d get the moderates and used Governor Palin to bring along the base Conservatives.

That is backwards campaigning. You cannot start a campaign with an alienated base.

Honestly, Ed, you were given your excuse to stay home and took it. Don’t use Governor Palin as your scapegoat. I detest McCain and most of his policies. However, the more I looked at Obama, the more I realized just how far left he is. I didn’t vote for McCain, rather, I voted against Obama.

Oh, and Ed, you didn’t vote, so, you can’t complain. Hard to believe it mattered that much to you if you didn’t vote. So, shut up and get back to us who actually cared enough to make a choice.

Right now, Ed, you’re not much better than Obama who voted “present” on tough votes.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:27 pm 79. Войска ПВО:

elvis writes:

“..Most of the people that voted for Obama have the emotional stability of a spoiled adolescent and the where with all of a third grader.”

Your opinion seems to be borne out by this late breaking news report.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:31 pm 80. Horace Wells:

Dave
Maybe you have succeeded in the business world, but your grasp of the complexities of this nation and the world are very limited like Palin’s.
BTW” I couldn’t help laughing at your pathetic swipe at Journalism, isn’t that Palin’s major and first job? You are a perfect example of a person who succeeded because, in spite of your narrow mind, you managed to keep it well focused.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:56 pm 81. Boris:

Yes, she was popular among Republicans. Good plan, guys, keep nominating people popular with Republicans and unpopular with independents. See what happens.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:56 pm 82. Valerie:

Dave,

There are some very nasty people in this country that think they are entitled to run it. Sarah Palin is a talented, capable, and effective executive who is not part of their little group. They are offended by her very existence and will never be won over.

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:05 pm 83. Horace Wells:

Hey Goy,
My name is Javelin, so use that please. I you want to call me Javerlina, then I will call you ‘Pigzenus’, is that okay with you. I guess you learned such rude behavior from the talk show hosts who filled up your simple mind with the slogans and factoids that keep you going. The point was that those people who voted for McCain didn’t vote for him because they were fond of Palin, they did it cause they were bigots, didn’t like Obama and/or liked McCain. But to alledge they voted for McCain because of Palin is something you have to prove, not assume.

As far as this horrible “discrimination” Palin endured that some of you lesser minds are screeching about,(like the ones who have to use ALL CAPS to highlight their screed) give me a break. Now Palin is a victim, of what? I’m sure that Gulag, Death Camp and jihad survivors, as well as Chinese and Cambodians who suffered under Communism, would laugh with derision at such phony victimhood and contemptible whining. After all, aren’t people here always complaining about victim whiners and race card players? I guess that exempts conservatives, who obviously suffer a fate worse than Jews in old Europe.

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:10 pm 84. Marauder:

Sarah Palin is, frankly, fabulous – and more people will realize it once they find out that several of the media criticisms on her were based on flat-out lies. I’d vote for her again in a second and I hope I’ll get to do so sometime in the next few years.

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:14 pm 85. kochevnik:

Dave: “Sarah Palin is ready for anything…That’s OVERQUALIFIED, in my book.”

Overqualified for being President. That’s a Pajamas classic quote! Too bad we don’t have sigs here. Is Dave actually Dubya: fetal alcohol syndrome and all?

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:18 pm 86. Ms Attitude:

I consider myself an Independent and I thought Sarah Palin was awesome!!! Her only flaw is her problem with answering questions off the cuff. She reminds me of my boss (a man). He’s very intelligent and knows his stuff but when he tries to articulate he fumbles. It’s like there’s so much going on inside his head that he can’t talk fast enough to get it out. Palin is guilty of the same thing. Give her time…

Pat J: I’m sure that if you gave her a chance you’d like where she stands too!

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:20 pm 87. jane:

“The point was that those people who voted for McCain didn’t vote for him because they were fond of Palin, they did it cause they were bigots, didn’t like Obama and/or liked McCain. But to alledge they voted for McCain because of Palin is something you have to prove, not assume.

83. Horace Wells: how do YOU prove your comment?

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:48 pm 88. Did a Social Fundamentalist Almost Save McCain? : The New Nixon: News and Commentary about the President, his Times, and his Legacy:

[...] Kyle Anne-Shriver counters the claim that Sarah Palin repulsed moderate voters: This is not a minority opinion. When Rasmussen conducted detailed exit polling among Republicans, they found that a full 69% of respondents thought Sarah Palin helped — not hurt — McCain. Governor Palin has not garnered the status as America’s most highly regarded, most popular governor for nothing. [...]

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:55 pm 89. goy:

- Good plan, guys, keep nominating people popular with Republicans and unpopular with independents. See what happens.

Boris, do you know where Independents come from? This election season they were almost exclusively disaffected Republicans who were sick and tired of the GOP’s total lack of leadership and utter disregard for core conservative principles like controlled spending, etc. If and when that changes, and there are clear indications that it will since they’re now starting to realize that it’s the only way to survive politically, you’ll start seeing those Independents returning to the fold.

What’s more, the 16% of Hillary supporters who voted for McCain, and any friends whose ear they can bend between now and then, will likely join them again – along with those left penniless, homeless, unemployed and overtaxed by the next four years of Obamanomics, regardless what that turns out to be, since none of the early indicators are positive.

So yeah, it’s a great plan.

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:55 pm 90. Jeff Weimer:

Ronald Reagan was derided as the same type of “base” conservative republican Palin is being tarred with now. He had no problem putting his ideas out there with wit and common sense. He won in landslides. She could do that to, except now the media and intolerant lefties (YES you are, admit it Hurley!) will do their best to tout every embarrassing slight and drag up everything we’ve seen before in order to bury her in the future. She only represented the base in her person(and they loved her for it), her real policy strengths were not in the “social con” arena. She is a political and fiscal reformer, and she rightly put her social agenda in it’s proper place when governing. For instance, she doesn’t support abstinence only education, or contraception-only education, but felt both should be discussed, whether or not she agrees with one or the other. What is the problem with that? Her daughter’s pregnancy should have been off-limits, period. Instead, it was fodder for tut-tutting lefties who don’t understand what her values were all about.

About her treatment by the press – it’s only in relation to the treatment literally enjoyed by the other side. Her coal-raking received prior to the election vs. the “new” information about Obama that should have come out prior but is only now coming out when it’s too late. Like Bill Ayers the “family friend”. I mand please, look at any information dug up about her and see the same request of Obama. Either it wasn’t made, was made once (quietly) and dropped, or was quickly shuffled aside, never any in depth investigation of Obama.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:10 pm 91. Jim Baker:

kochevnik,
Do you really believe you are smart? When you actually put forward an idea, I might believe it. Until then, lighten up on the name calling diatribes.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:11 pm 92. malclave:

DF:

“How do you respond to FOX news indicating that Palin is below average intelligence?”

By asking for a source, and quotes in context. I’ve had it up to the proverbial “here” with mainstream media, of all stripes, who have less journalistic ability than a high school newspaper. The only “alphabet” program with any integrity left, as far as I’m concerned, is TMZ… because they know nobody expects anything from them but entertainment and gossip.

“How do you respond to FOX news reporting that Palin would routinely throw fits before, during and after briefings for the media? That her temperment was out of control?”

See above.

“Didn’t Palin think she was an expert on foreign policy because Russia is close to Alaska?”

Not that I ever saw. She suggested that it gave her an awareness of foreign policy (to which I agree), but I didn’t see her claim that it made her an expert.

“She supported the AIP, this group is a radical, militant separtist organization bent on separating Alaska from the US.”

Proof, please. As I recall, she sent a message saying that different points of view in politics are good.

“Doesn’t that make her a terrorist?”

What acts of violence is she being associated with?

“She was in trouble and still is for abusing her powers with the trooper-gate scandal and is still awaiting trial.”

Yeah, maybe she shouldn’t have let her husband use her office. If only Democrats were held to anything approaching the same standards as Republicans.

“Palin’s interview with Katie Couric was a complete fiasco, she looked green, inexperienced and dumb.”

Yep. Isn’t it amazing what libs can do with video editing tools?

“Isn’t there another scandal with her abuse of republican committee finances to purchase clothes?”

Yes, there is. Why it’s a “scandal”, I don’t really know. This really should be more along the lines of Edwards’ haircut, IMO… get a few chuckles out of it, and then move on.

“She accepted the money for the “bridge to nowhere”, even though she had already decried it. If it was wrong, why did she accept the money, give it back?”

I don’t know. Maybe she figured that since Congress was going to send the money, may as well put it to good use. Maybe she should have sent it back, but then Congress would probably have just given it to Beverly Hills for a park.

“My brother was stationed in Alaska and has told me that she is unpopular and is at serious risk for being voted out.”

When was he there? As for being unpopular… yeah, I guess she’s taken a nosedive from 80-90% to only the low 60s. With those numbers, she’s only at risk if ACORN opens up an office there.

“Her family life doesn’t reflect republican values; didn’t her daughter engage in unprotected, pre-marital sex?”

Yep. People make mistakes. And Palin’s daughter is living up to her responsibilities… contrast that with Obama, who apparently thinks children are a “punishment”.

“FOX news reported that govenor Palin was the witless target of a prank call from a French radio station, where the DJs claimed to be the French Prime Minister Sarchosee. Other government officials have persons that screen their calls. Why didn’t she do that? She was running for vice-president and didn’t have enough sense to screen her calls?”

She did. The person screening the call screwed up. Personally, I’m waiting for the news of the prank call on Obama or Biden.

” “Govenor Palin has not garnered the status of America’s most highly regarded, most popular govenor for nothing.” I have never read that anywhere but here. I have never heard those words uttered from anyone’s mouth on radio,television or discussion.”

You should try to learn to think. Unless you can name another governor who has higher popularity numbers?

“What survey came to this conclusion? That’s sad that only 69% of Republicans thought she helped.”

Why?

“That means she’ll get less votes than McCain if she tries to run in 2012.”

What leads you to that conclusion?

“What qualities did Sarah Palin possess that made her qualified as a vice-president? Please list them all.”

She’s at least 35 years of age, a natural-born citizen, and a resident of the U.S. for at least 14 years. Those are the same qualities Barack Obama possesses that made him qualified to be president.

“Also, how do these qualities make her capable of addressing the major issues facing the US?”

How is that relevant? The American people have spoken… if capability mattered, Obama would not have been elected.

“Isn’t her husband unemployed?”

IIRC, he left one of his jobs when the potential of the appearance of conflict of interest appeared; contrast that with Michelle Obama, whose employer was the recipient of earmarked money form her hubby. I believe Mr. Palin’s other job (commercial fisherman) is seasonal.

“I don’t think the title first dude is becoming of such an important role, why didn’t he just call himself, first gentlemen?”

What “important role” do you think the Alaska governor’s spouse fills? I think he has a much better perspective on his role than you do.

“Let’s keep some dignity please. He frequently was unshaven, unkempt and poorly dressed, that doesn’t seem befitting of a man with a wife who holds a prestitious position. I am inferring that as husband to the almost vice-president, he would have been an embarasment to the country”

I am eagerly awaiting a link to your comment regarding Biden’s hair plugs. Please keep in mind, also, that Joe Biden will have an actual role in the government, and not just be married to someone with a role.

This was a poorly written and thought-out series of comments. DF, it’s evident you don’t have a clue.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:23 pm 93. newguy40:

I believe her response to the media and far left critics was quite mild. As was McCain’s defense of her and his own candidacy. It will certainly be interesting to see her again in 2012 or 2010.

I’m with Chuck Pelto and Napolean: Strategic defense is deferred suicide.

Audacity, Always Audacity!

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:24 pm 94. pyromancer76:

Kyle-Anne Shriver, you are an amazing writer and one who connects with a (probably former) old-fashioned liberal Democrat. Gov. Sarah Palin was everything you said she was during the campaign, and more. She provided the evidence for hope and change, the real thing, to turn us away from the Political-Industrial Complex that has infected both parties.

All these people who are down on Sen. McCain must remember that Obama won the primary because of a combination of: 1) Republican cross-overs in caucus states; 2) caucus fraud; and 3) stealing delegates. He won the Presidency because: 1) too many (false) Conservative Republicans, resentful of McCain, stayed home, prefering to give us our first marxist President rather than doing the right thing; 2) fraudulent voter registrations and multiple voting by “the young” and anyone else; 3) bazillions of campaign dollars from foreigners and anyone else who wanted to give however much they decided to. I believe that Rove/Bush Republicans were largely responsible for Obama’s primary win and that resentful Conservative Republicans are responsible for the national election debacle. Obama might, just might, have won anyway because of the financial crisis, but he did not win because everyone drank the kool-aid. I believe that is MSM sugar coating.

Kyle-Anne, you are so right about Gov. Palin giving (true) Conservative Republicans, who recognized an experienced, no-nonsense, non-corrupt reformer, new hope. Many (former) Democrats like myself see a true leader. The tremendous efforts to “destroy” Palin only suggest her strength and political attractiveness. She will back; I prefer sooner rather than later.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:34 pm 95. Ed:

Blake

Go look into the mirror tonight, and see what you find

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:44 pm 96. Mwalimu Daudi:

The misogynists run amok tonight….

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:08 pm 97. bill-tb:

Right on all counts. Gov Palin was what stopped the rout.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:10 pm 98. nick:

GOP respondents can only speak of GOP
images of Palin

her lying and corruption turned INDEPENDANTS off
as well as Intelligent GOPers (there are a few)

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:22 pm 99. Pierre Legrand:

Thank you for a terrific article Kyle-Anne!

Data point…Mother, Step-Father, Sister all hardcore democrats. All of them voted for Sarah. They are scared of Obama as I am. We are in for a rough ride…but seeing Sarah on the TV makes me feel better. She makes me feel like the fight isn’t over yet. She needs to get some powerful behind the scenes Republicans behind her who know how to fight dirty. Because it is going to be dirty fighting until we get that schmuck Obama out of office…through impeacement or by simply voting him out. I don’t personnally care. Impeacement would be rich.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:23 pm 100. Joseph McNulty:

The tragedy is that Palin was wasted on the McCain campaign, the worst Republican campaign in 50 years. She brought excitement and CONSERVATISM to a demoralized base. Without her, he would have been lucky to get 30 percent of the vote. Therefore, his performance on the Leno show was deeply disappointing, shameful, and slippery, trying to appear to be defending her while really only defending HIS SELECTIONto gH his SELECTION of her, not her performance on the campaign trail.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:30 pm 101. hvs:

Palin is the real deal; the so called arbiters of such in Hollywood have already admitted to her high appeal. But for get that, just consider that the same things being said about Palin were said about Reagan in 1972 and 1976.

Palin scares the hell of Republican moderates. Let that sink in. So any reports about a lack of intelligence or preparation should be taken for what they are: panic among the establishment. She brings a new view of the rotten core that poisons the Republican Party. That she is being trashed now surprises no one who studies history; Small Town America is being reintroduced to the big city electorate….Harry Truman is getting a good laugh at this drama, Yeah, the same Truman who knew how to beat a Chitown sophisticate.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:31 pm 102. ronnor:

She would have stomped that Kenyan, Barry Sotolo’s gut’s out. Barry wouldn’t have had a chance. McFluster gave Sotolo a break by not talking about Barry’s nut minister, his terrorist buddy and his criminal sidekick Rezko. The Governor would have outed him and made the MSM howl.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:31 pm 103. Rachel Peepers:

Picturing himself a rough rider changing up San Juan Hill, Bill Clinton has been behind the ruthless, balls out attack on Sarach Palin.

That’s because he’s convinced that Palin has all the qualities that will steamroll Hillary’s Presidential try in 2012. Bill has images of having to peel Hillary off the pavement like a cartoon character where she comes to life and Bill says, “Look at the good side, you lost some weight.”

Bill, with political radar equivalent to one of our “Smart Bombs”, sees Palin’s star qualities, and incredible likeability adding up to an unbeatable combination. Hillary’s only hope is cutting her off at the knees, sicing her bulldog press on Sarah between now and Barack’s inauguraion.

Post, Jan. 20th, Obama plans to serve up a government to the American people that’s long on sugar coating and short on prosperity. They’re now designing a menu of high taxes for breakfast, lunch and dinner, while offering a selection for dessert of either mandatory community service or U.S. military neglect. Or both.
Somewere it’ll say, “You’re eating a capitalist free diet”. Most Americans, though, won’t swallow a thing. With Barack and his henchmen screwing up everything they touch (the anti Midas touch)the jig will be up.

A little more than four years from now, Palin will run for President alongside, Rick Perry, gov. of Texas, who’ll be her VP choice.

It’ll be a landslide.

Together, they’ll take apart piece by piece the Obama/Clinton ticket that’ll be punched, “Destination, Defeat.”

The elite media? They’re gonna sit this one out. And try to get their credibility back that was lost in a stinkhole of bias, disgraceful reporting.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:37 pm 104. Boris:

“This election season they were almost exclusively disaffected Republicans”

No they weren’t, but I don’t have any problem with you believing that.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:38 pm 105. Pay Attention:

—FOX reported that she thought Africa was a country and that she couldn’t name the countries that make up North America.

Ha! A SMART(?) lib fell for that hoax. What a maroon!!!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:41 pm 106. DaveinPhoenix:

Nice to read an article that carries the right message – you can never win while on the defensive. Sarah Palin is an awesome American, and while she may not have been quite enough prepared for the attention she got, she did really, really well. Give her a couple years of exposure to the MSM and she’ll shine. Only wish she would have been the Republican Presidential candidate and John McCain the VP – he’s a good man, but not the real Conservative I had hoped for.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:42 pm 107. sol vason:

Only a total idiot would believe that ANYONE (not just Palin, but anyone!) would believe Africa was a country and not a continent. The story was a hoax and it takes a very, very stupid person to fall for the hoax. Most of us were not fooled and knew immediately it was a hoax.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:50 pm 108. Brad:

Gin789, try doubling up the Prozac.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:51 pm 109. Mister Snitch!:

“What a pile of preposterous poppycock!”

Did Roger Simon write that for you? ‘Fess up.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:52 pm 110. LisaP:

That One owes his “victory” to ACORN fraud, untraceable foreign campaign donations, and a scandalously cheerleading MSM intent on hiding every relevant unflattering piece of information about their chosen one. Our community organizer-in-chief appears to have aged 15 years in the few days since the “election”. He knows that he isn’t prepared to inhabit the office that’s been handed to him.
Time flies. 2012 awaits. Glass ceiling, meet Sarah Palin.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:58 pm 111. kochevnik:

Jim,

I think Americans are sick of stupid people. When your beloved Bush proved he was incapable of addressing 911, repubs called anyone who questioned Bush unAmerican [a complement to me, of course]. Maybe there’s a lesson here: if the president doesn’t cut it in a crisis, people are better off admitting that to themselves and telling him, instead of pretending he’s a great leader. When you make a weakling into a hero, you give him a lot of power. If you’d kept your eyes open and faced the fact that Bush reacted badly to 9/11, you might have been able to ask for a little more detail about his big plans.

So yeah Jim, you keep up the ‘amazing quotes’ and I’ll keep calling you repubs on your remarkable stupidity.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:04 pm 112. goy:

- No they weren’t…

Damn, Boris. You’re right. You caught me.

The rest of the Independents were PUMAs and other various disaffected Democrats who watched Obama steal the nomination from the contender who actually got the majority of primary votes.

You’re sharp as a tack, bud.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:09 pm 113. David:

I was never going to pull the lever for McCain before he selected Palin. It would seem about 4 million Republicans agreed with me even after he selected Palin.

McCain’s abysmal performance after the convention, and now his silence as his crap election team jabs anonymously at Palin, makes me wish I could take my vote for him back.

Please lord, never nominate another Senator for President. Nothing can suck more.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:09 pm 114. John:

“47. Ed:

and I can see this is a Sarah Palin fan base site, judging from all the comments here. People, this woman is smart and feisty. But she needs to learn and prepare herself better before entering the national political stage. Willing to fight is not enough quality to win over majority. I wish her the best and but hope she will go back to Alsaka, be a good governor first, and study hard for a few years, and then maybe, there is a chance for her.

Nov 14, 2008 – 10:12 am”

Like the other million times Republicans have asked this question in response to this kind of tripe how does this explain The Obama?

Palin has to have in depth exprience in every aspect of economics, foreign affairs, et al, but The Obama simply intrinsically know everything.

Tripe, pure and simple. Absolute tripe.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:10 pm 115. Joseph McNulty:

Th charges against Palin are obvious nonsense. Are we supposed to believe the she did not know Africa is a continent when she comes from a major oil producing state and Nigeria is a large competitor? Are we supposed to believe that she has never seen a map? Think how deeply stupid or bigoted you have to be to believe that. Her briefer from the Bush White House says she discussed Darfur at length, so she knew about the Sudan, which the last time I looked was in Africa. The characterization of her family as “Wisalla hillbillies” shows where the criticism comes from. This is not just an attempt to sully a politician; it is an attempt to prepare the battlefield for 2012 and make the Republican Party the “me too” Republicans.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:10 pm 116. kochevnik:

sol,

You are right. Sara learned as much as Madeline Albright that day we flew into your American airspace. You have to be careful about people OVERQUALIFIED for president. It’s just a job much like running a liquor store or telemarketing.

>Only a total idiot would believe that ANYONE (not
>just Palin, but anyone!) would believe Africa was a
>country and not a continent. The story was a hoax and
>it takes a very, very stupid person to fall for the
>hoax. Most of us were not fooled and knew immediately
>it was a hoax.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:11 pm 117. DF:

The people of Alaska do not like her just like they don’t like Ted Stevens.

I’m only asking you to list the reasons she is a qualified VP? I will not argue with anything you say, I just want to see what qualities are important to you Kyle-Anne. You gave a pretty strong endorsement to failed candidate, who the right-wing media has in fact dubbed unintelligent. FOX did say this. They reported this story, not me. I promise I will not debate any answers you give. I may ask more questions, but I will not debate your answers. What are the qualities that Sarah Palin possesses that make her a superior Vice-president. It can be fact or opinion; I would just like to know. Please respond to that question. For instance I have a right-wing friend where I reside who responded to that question with these 5 bulletpoints:
1.She can field dress a moose.
2.She was govenor of the largest state in the Union for 2 years.
3.She was mayor of a city of 2000 people for 3 years.
4.She is hot.
5.She is not Obama.

These answers were given to me, I am not commenting on them. I am showing you an example of some of the answers I have been given previously to this particular query. The man that gave me these answers is a staunch republican and listens the Limbaugh on a daily basis. Again, please respond to that question.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:23 pm 118. DF:

In your article you clearly state 69% of McCain supporters say she helped. This would indicate that she will recieve 31% less votes if she runs.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:26 pm 119. DF:

“What a pile of preposterous poppycock.”
Seriously, who are you, the Penguin from Batman?

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:27 pm 120. goy:

Sorry “Horace”, I missed your earlier comment. And I certainly don’t want to appear rude…

- My name is Javelin, so use that please.
Okay. Is it Horace? Or Javelin? Make up your mind. Until then I’ll stick with ‘javelina’, since it suits from where I sit. I haven’t referred to you as “Javerlina”, but feel free to call me anything you like. Except late for dinner, as the saying goes.

- … those people who voted for McCain didn’t vote for him because they were fond of Palin, …
This is something you have to prove – or at least provide some evidence for – not assume.

- … they did it cause they were bigots, …
This is something you have to prove – or at least provide some evidence for – not assume.

- … didn’t like Obama …
I’d buy this one, but this is still something you have to prove – or at least provide some evidence for – not assume.

- … and/or liked McCain.
This is something you have to prove – or at least provide some evidence for – not assume.

- … to alledge they voted for McCain because of Palin is something you have to prove, not assume.
One doesn’t need to prove an allegation. And I didn’t assume it. In fact, it’s not something that is knowable beyond a doubt. The available data, however, is far more compelling in this regard than your assumptions, as has already been explained to you.

Have a Nice Day!

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:29 pm 121. DF:

I have to say this one more time to correct you. 90% of the people of Alaska do not like her. She did not recieve 90% of the votes and is very unpopular now.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:30 pm 122. Xixi:

I’d vote for Palin in 2012.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:38 pm 123. kcom:

I heard a clip on a talk show today where a reporter was questioning whether Sarah Palin was too much of a show horse and not enough of a workhorse. It just made me laugh. Too much of a show horse and not enough of a workhorse is a perfect description of Barack Obama, not Sarah Palin. She’s run an entire state with very high approval numbers. She has actual accomplishments, aside from simply getting elected, under her belt. Barack has nothing. What work of note has he ever accomplished? His community organizing, by his own admission, was a failure. His Annenberg Challenge work was, by independent audit, deemed a failure. He served without distinction in the Illinois Senate, voting present when things got too much of a mental strain for him to take a stand. He barely warmed his seat in the United States Senate before taking off to campaign for president. What did he acomplish as a U.S. Senator that will be remembered 50 years from now (or even four)? The man is an empty suit with zero record of accomplishment elected to the highest office in the land and DF has the temerity to question what qualifies Sarah Palin to be vice president. What qualifies Obama to be president? Seriously. Name one thing that shows he has any track record of successful governing or has produced measurable results in any capacity he’s served.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:38 pm 124. JL:

DF: “FOX reported that she thought Africa was a country and that she couldn’t name the countries that make up North America.”

I am sure someone already covered this, DF, but MSNBC has taken responsibility for pomtoing a completely false story that was made up by a couple of comedians. The names and other details are there if you google it.

You will notice how the “fairness doctrine” is firmly in plaace as the Africa story played for DAYS and the fact that a major news agency did not do a simple fact check — and spread a stupid (and frankly unbelievable) lie about a national candidate — has faded faster than I can type my name.

Sarah Palin was a member of the National Honor Society in high school which is a national organization which recognizes academic achievement. Kids with “below average” intelligence do not have the grades to ghet into NHS. (Do you know what qualifies as “below average” intelligence? Didn;t think so.)

And as for the “First Dude” thing — it’s a nickname, doofus. Get a life. If you bothered, again, to do a little homework, you would find Todd Plain is referred to as the First Gentleman in pictures on the Alaska State Government pages where he hosted and honored previous First Ladies. Pictures and all.

And they both have worked with their seasonal fishing business, and he on the North Slope (you forgot he is a union member and can sling a wrench so big you probably couldn’t pick it up.) And he is home for the kids because his wife has a lot of responsibilities.

Do you whine like this about a male governor’s wife staying at home with the kids? Oh yeah, and he is overseeing the restoration and care of the Governor’s mansion in Juneau.

Their financial disclosure information required in Alaska of government officials was posted on the internet in the first week after Governor Palin was chosen … and the consensus was that this is a pretty smart family financially.

The DF post is an example of why the MSM is toast.

It will be interesting to see where Sarah Pallin goes. As new faces we have Bobby Jindal, Michael Steele, some guy named Ryan and a couple other conservative strong voices coming up.

Palin was great for the ticket. And we need to be clear, honest and aggressive in the years to come.

I do not know

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:39 pm 125. JL:

That’s supposed to be “‘promoting’ a completely false story.”

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Nov 14, 2008 - 6:11 pm 127. Self-hating boomer:

Rachel, umm… Hillary in’t gunna be the donkey candidate in ‘12. What I want to know is what kinda dirt did The One have on the Clintons to get then to shut up and go along?

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:14 pm 128. Robert:

The fact that so many Republicans are infatuated with Sarah Palin is extremely depressing to those of us who want a principled conservative movement to succeed politically.

If we really can’t do better than Sarah Palin, we’re going to cede the White House and the Congress to the Democrats for the next 20 years, if not longer.

You can tell yourselves as often as you like that she’s not the “idiot” she’s portrayed to be. You can pretend that the Couric interview was a fluke, or an ambush, or whatever you’d like. It’s not going to improve her ability to think on her feet, or to be anything more than a cipher for your “everyman’s a Republican” pipe dreams. If we don’t win the battle of ideas, we lose the war, and Sarah Palin is not going to win us the battle of ideas.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:17 pm 129. DF:

Could you please answer these question? What qualifications does she posess that make her a viable presidential candidate for 2012 according to you? What are her stances on the important issues that face our country? How does she feel about freedom of speech and the press? Where does she stand on the torture issue? What are her policies concerning the environment? What will she do to stop the outsourcing of American jobs? What are her views on energy needs? What is her view on warfare and American security? What are her views on gun control? What does she feel is the best policy on education? If there is anything else, please feel free to add her specific policies on the matters, as the aforementioned issues are examples. Please list specifics, as you have staunchly given her a ringing endorsement. I don’t want vague answers. Please do not respond with silly answers, such as: What is Obama doing? We are at the “Sarah Palin is Patton” web-site; not the Joe Biden or Barack Obama web-site. Once again, this is a PALIN web site, when I want answers for Biden or Obama, I will go to sites about them. You have given your enthusiastic endorsement of a failed VP candidate to run for president in 2012. Please list Palin’s specific policies that she adheres to that have made Alaska the cornerstone of the United States, so we can read your informed opinion. Policies that you feel are the best to lead us into the 21st century.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:19 pm 130. comatus:

DF, Last time I checked, “First Dude” had a successful business of his own, held a high-paying oilfield production job, and was a member in good standing of his union.

Now, I don’t shave all that often, but I can spell “embarrassment” and you cannot. Your abuse of our language is a disgrace. No wonder your thinking is so sloppy, since you don’t care enough to form your words or sentences like a decent human being. Somewhere there is a school system that still owes you an education. I’m ashamed for your mom and dad.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:19 pm 131. DWPittelli:

DF,

The Gibson interview, which led you to ask, “Didn’t Palin think she was an expert on foreign policy because Russia is close to Alaska?” was a disgracefully dishonest piece of TV work, as anyone can prove for himself.

Read the full transcript on line, with bolded text for what was cut before the TV airing. (Google “palin gibson transcript unedited bold” without any quotes, and it is in several locations.)

You will see that the edits for TV were both dishonest and designed to make Palin’s sensible answers look silly. For example, her point was NOT that she has expertise on Russia because of its proximity to Alaska. Palin spoke about Russia’s invasion of Georgia, and her subsequent point about proximity to Russia was that, despite her just-stated criticism of Russia, “We need to have a good relationship with them,” and “We will not repeat a Cold War.”

Given that even network videotape of Palin’s actual words was distorted to give false impressions of Palin, why should anyone put their faith in second-hand accounts, not backed up by videotape, especially if they are anonymous?

****************
GIBSON: You believe [the Russian invasion of Georgia was] unprovoked.

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:20 pm 132. Jim62sch:

Pretty sure all or most of the negative comments above (DF, etc.) are the same sockpuppeting Axelturfer. Why are these dummies still wasting their time with blog comments? Is there leftover Soros money from the campaign that still needs to be laundered? I thought they would have spent most of it on the prime-time Messiahmercial.

And oh hell, yeah, Sarah rocks. Teamsarah.org is currently re-organizing as a PAC and then watch the money pour in. Conservatives are dying to support this woman.

For those saying the Republican ticket wasn’t liberal enough for “the moderates”, hello, we nominated McCain! McCain, practically the most liberal GOP guy in the Senate. There are Democrats more conservative than McCain. So the “go left, young man” argument just doesn’t cut it.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:29 pm 133. JW:

Heh, DF, guess what? If rumors from unnamed sources passes for “journalism” in your unhinged, liberal Obamatopia, then I think you just paid Kyle-Ann a huge compliment…

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:29 pm 134. Insufficiently Sensitive:

Govenor Palin has not garnered the status of America’s most highly regarded, most popular govenor for nothing.” I have never read that anywhere but here. I have never heard those words uttered from anyone’s mouth on radio,television or discussion.

Spoken like a true urban leftie who’s so scared of ‘diversity’ that she can’t leave her cloistered circle of oh-so-like-minded friends.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:34 pm 135. Michael Lonie:

The day before the election the “Troopergate” investigator issued his report stating that Sarah Palin committed no abuses of power in the matter. So much for that.

We now have a President-elect who, despite his elite education at Columbia and Harvard Law, knows less about economics and the effects of tax policies than a blue-collar plumber. Sarah Palin has accomplished more in twenty months as governor of Alaska than Obama has in his entire political career, including his stint as a Communist Revolutionary (ie Community Organizer). She is an expert on energy issues, which some people might consider important to the US at this time. Obama hasn’t a clue about that, as about so many other issues. But he speaks soooo beautifully, when he’s got a teleprompter in front of him at any rate. Yet it is Palin who is being denounced as dumb by the people who supported that empty suit from the incredibly corrupt Chicago Machine. Puleeeze.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:46 pm 136. ThomasD:

When Obama first came onto the national stage a few years back many people took notice. They recognized an up and comer, but didn’t forsee how fast he would rise. But even with all that attention nobody was talking about him being an immediate bankable public figure.

Palin made a splash that dwarfed Obama’s. She even has the media elites in Hollywood talking about her popularity and sense of connection with the country. This is why so many are terrified of her and hell bent on bringing her down.

I’m not 100% sure of her opinions and positions but I know she’s fought for real reform, and is nothing like the corrupt machine pol Obama is. the public’s recognition of her seems instinctive – and something that the MSM cannot defeat. Given the choice I’d rather have her on my side than not.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:04 pm 137. Rex:

I want a ticket of Palin & Jindal. Their inner core philosophies resonate with a majority of the American people.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:06 pm 138. Pat J:

JW:

Heh, DF, guess what? If rumors from unnamed sources passes for “journalism” in your unhinged, liberal Obamatopia, then I think you just paid Kyle-Ann a huge compliment…
—-
What the hell are you talking about? DF does his homework unlike most of you Pajamists who listen to way to much Rush Limbaugh and watch way too much Sean Hannity.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:23 pm 139. Boris:

“The rest of the Independents were PUMAs and other various disaffected Democrats who watched Obama steal the nomination from the contender who actually got the majority of primary votes.

You’re sharp as a tack, bud.”

If Palin runs I will vote for her in the Republican primary. She has no chance to win a general election unless Obama is a complete Bushian disaster. In other words, she can only win if any Republican can win. (You will say that this is true of Obama too, and I wouldn’t disagree.)

Palin’s unfavorable ratings skyrocketed during the campaign. All the big mean media’s fault and not the fact that was a liar, an imbecile, and, essentially, Bush in heels.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:29 pm 140. J in stl:

A word of advice to all the other governors, lt. governors, hillbillies, tycoons, etc. who have presidential aspirations. If you can’t fill an arena with tens of thousands of fans who come for the sole reason of listening to you, you need to step aside. Wonks don’t win elections. Wonks work for people who win elections. Unless you are a wonk for the loosing party.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:47 pm 141. fred:

As soon as she was picked, the Democrats and their media water carriers were in a severe panic, which accounts for some of the wild flailing that was going on for a couple of weeks following the selection.

Mostly from women, BTW. Women who are furious with her that she did not abort her Down’s Syndrome baby.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:50 pm 142. David:

If it was not for Palin I would not have bothered voting for President. I also donated money to the campaign after she joined it. If she had not, I would not have bothered.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:56 pm 143. Pat J:

137. Rex:

I want a ticket of Palin & Jindal. Their inner core philosophies resonate with a majority of the American people.
——
Now that would be a hoot! One had a preacher, who ran a woman out of a town accusing her of being a witch, lay hands on her. The other said he was involved in an exorcism.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:02 pm 144. Tennwriter:

It’d be nice if those defending intellectualism were actually the proud owner of an idea or two more than “Bad Socon No Biscuit!”. There is an intellectual movement in the Right, well, actually two. The social conservatives have theirs, and so do the libertarians. The national defense people do too, to be fair.

I would say that the Standard Conservatives who are good on values, defense, and fiscal issues need to fully display the ideas for this rather than letting the fringes like the Libertarians carry the intellectual burden of demonstrating their ideas.

I’ve not seen all that much evidence of ‘moderates’ and Rinos and such having that many ideas. I think they are confusing ‘agrees with me’ for ‘intelligence’ which is a common intellectual error.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:06 pm 145. Vinny F.:

That “Africa is a country” meme was a hoax that has been exposed, you dopes. Of course, the people wgo put it out are smart enought o know that there are millions of dopes liek the commenters above who will believe anything fed to them.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:11 pm 146. kochevnik:

DWPittelli,

So now the problem isn’t that she’s an expert on foreign policy. You cleared that right up. However, aren’t you in the slightest bit disturbed that Sara forgot the US is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy? If a REPUBLICan doesn’t even know the meaning of her party’s name, does that bode well for the country under her leadership [or lack thereof]?

Now the crisis of confidence isn’t foreign relations. It’s 11th grade American history.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:24 pm 147. Palin as Patton | Sarah Barracuda:

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Nov 14, 2008 - 8:51 pm 148. Harvard@Cal:

DF must stand for dumb f*cker. All your lies, debunked as one would expect:

http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/

All you Palin-bashers, keep on tearing at her; what does not kill her makes here stronger, you douchbags.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:35 pm 149. JAL:

Not that it matters to the DF but when asking what Palin has done why is it that people miss the fact that one thing she has done that Barack Obama had no experience in is balancing a pretty large budget. I bet that’s a bit more of a task than Obama and Ayers giving away Ambassador Annenberg’s millions. And with real accountability.

Governor Palin moved the gas pipeline off the dime. It had been a fantasy or unrealistic plan favoring the oil companies. She is the mover behind a $40 BILLION package which involves Alaska, enviromental issues, Canada, gas/oil companies, the Alaska gas and oil commission and the citizens of Alaska. I think she plans on hanging out in Alaska for a bit to get it under way because she believe that’s what the people of Alaska and other Americans need — and part of what Alaskans hired her for.

And what was it Barack Obama has done besides throw people who got in his way under the bus? (Alice Palmer anyone? Jack Ryan’s sealed divorce? La la la la la Oh, I see, you’re not listening after all. Too hard.)

When Obama can violate confidentiality with a meeting with the POTUS, when he can tell a valued ally one thing one day, misleading them with his shape shifting language, and tells their probable adversary the opposite publically it does not reflect well on his understanding of the situation, or his common sense.

I see flashes of reasonableness in Obama. But his duplicity makes me uneasy. He usually comes across as a nice young man. But his unpredictability and need to multiply revise or deny (is it required or desired?)is more troubling than that projected onto McCain.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:43 pm 150. cedarford:

JL- Sarah Palin was a member of the National Honor Society in high school which is a national organization which recognizes academic achievement. Kids with “below average” intelligence do not have the grades to ghet into NHS. (Do you know what qualifies as “below average” intelligence? Didn;t think so.)

I have seen entire public schools full of stupid people, including those on national honor society. 3 valedictorians, one from a rural white hick HS and two from black inner city HS gained academic scholarships to a Texas State U despite abysmal SATs, and prompty proved themselves needing a semester of no-credit remedial courses.

The problem with Palin is very similar to Obama – a Cult has formed around them based on ability to give charismatic speeches.

What distinguishes them is Obama presented himself to the media and public for over 2 years of scrutiny in which he had to debate far more experienced people, attend open question time at townhouse meetings, grillings from 1/3rd of media while 2/3rds gave him easy treatment.

Palin, by the whim of McCain, avoided the two years of trial process that weeded out the likes of Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, Sam Brownback as “less than well-informed”.

The Obama Cult had their hero tested. The Palin Cult saw their hero like a deer in the headlights on the only two national media interviews she did without McCain or a handler sitting with her – and loved her all the more as an “authentic, well-grounded housewife who doesn’t have to know all that elitist intellectual crap.”

The idea of Palin and know-nothing Republicans winning outside the 12 remaining States of “The Base” is pretty problematic. Yes, she might spur 78% of the members of a white Fundie church in Arkansas to vote instead of 60%. But she was not considered an acceptable replacement for McCain by the independents, younger women, Jews, Hispanics, and college-educated of all demographic groups save evangelical whites.

In a sense, Palin is like Jesse Jackson, who if he had been selected in 1988 or 2002 as the VP would have excited the Black Base of the Democrats like nothing before ever did, perhaps gaining them 50 electoral votes, but costing the Dems 130-150 electoral votes elsewhere. And if the controversial Jackson had gotten the Dem nomination in 88 or 1992? Dems would instantly have lost 2/3rds of the States and 300 electoral votes.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:46 pm 151. DF:

What makes Palin qualified to be president? That is a simple question, please anyone answer it.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:01 pm 152. DF:

I dare anyone one on this page who posted their opinions, to go to Mother Jones and see how long you last there. You goofs are all in a tizzy because I asked you one question and pointed out facts about Eva Palin Braun. You’d last about 2 seconds at MJ.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:03 pm 153. DF:

I don’t know why you people make up info and then choose to ignore the facts. FOX news, the republican national committee and the McCain Campaign all criticized Palin’s temperment and intelligence. I take it you rescumlicans don’t watch FOX news.

Anybody is welcome to list Sarah Palin’s qualifications and specific agendas that make her qualified to even be a govenor, a position which she is in danger of losing, just like Ted Stevens lost his position, because he was dishonest too. 7 felonies and counting. If you people are making the assertion that she is a viable candidate for president in 2012, as did the author. Please list her qualifications and her policies that make her such a quintessential candidate? Everything else aside, list this person’s qualifications. I have never run into so many cowards before, who make sucha a strong claim and then back it up with nothing. Kyle-Anne, you have yet to point out one valid qualification or policy as would indicate that Palin would move the country foward in a positive direction.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:21 pm 154. mac:

Me too, David. If not for Palin I’d have been hard put to muster the effort to go vote because I truly disliked McCain.

Play close attention to this thread and the lefties attacking Palin. The same people just LOVED “the Maverick” until he ran against them and now that he’s lost, they LOVE him again. They want the Republicans to put some moderate concessionist up because they know that when voters get a choice between Dem and Dem-lite, they go with the smaller amount of hypocrisy.

Put a real conservative Republican in there as a candidate, a real tax-cutting, pork-cutting, law and order candidate and you’ll see an overwhelming response. Particularly in 2012, when all the left’s unspoken fears about Bama will have been repeatedly proven true.

They’re attacking Palin because they know she can beat them. That tells you all you need to know about her.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:23 pm 155. Bob:

Finally, someone who has stated the obvious.

Without Sarah Palin, McCain’s loss would have been the landslide the Democrats thought they were headed for.

She will be back in the national spotlight again.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:32 pm 156. DF:

I guess McSame didn’t say we’d stay in Iraq for 100 years or Rupert Murdick didn’t say that the price of gas would drop to 25 cents immediately after the occupation of Iraq and Bush didn’t lie about yellow cake uranium and aluminum tubes in Iraq. You people can’t just say that things didn’t happen which clearly did occur and then make up circumstance, it’s called yellow journalism and propaganda. You’ve really learned alot from the Nazis.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:37 pm 157. Rachel Peepers:

Did Sarah Palin really help (save) John McCain much like the third army general who rescued Tony(nuts)Mcauliffe on Christmas Day, 1945?

I’d say so.

In fact, I’d not only compare her to a great general, but also to anybody who’s very knowledgeable, with much executive experience and is very likable as well. Oh, I forgot. And very patriotic.

On the other hand, would I compare Sarah Palin to Bill Ayers? Or Wife Ayers? Or Mr. Barack Obama?

Ahhhh. Not so much.

Sarah follows the laws. Heeds the constitution. Isn’t a terrorist.

1.Bill Ayers again today said he doesn’t think he’s a terrorist, either. Ayer’s reasoning: he didn’t target innocent civilians. And our President Elect had nothing to say about it. Just let it float out there all day, like a trial balloon.

Or, more accurately; Tacit agreement if ever I heard it. Sometimes silence speaks volumes.

2. By the same token, Barack Obama thinks he broke no law or ethical standards when his political campaign accepted $159,000 from Tony Rezko. So I guess he didn’t. Gosh, Rezko is a convicted criminal. Was under investigation when the Obama campaign took the money. But, oh, well. Obama went to Harvard Law. He must know right from wrong.

3. Meanwhile, Obama thinks there was no quid pro quo when Obama asked Tony Rezko for help in buying real estate. Rezko’s wife then bought it, and sold it to Obama at what many believe was hundreds of thousands below market value.

Though a bonehead thing to do, Obama believes it was all on the up and up. So I guess it was. After all, that’s what Obama believes.

Unfortunately, there’s a fly in the ointment.

The law says what controls isn’t what the possible wrongdoer thinks. What matters is what a reasonable man would think in his place. Would a reasonable building bomber think bombing a building has a reasonable chance of hurting or killing someone?

If the answer’s yes, then Bill Ayers, Wife Dorne and a lot of other Weathermen were terrorists, whether or not they targeted just buildings or also the people inside of them.

Bill Ayers is a liar, though. In fact, the FBI says he meant to kill people. Apparently, so did the Mrs.

What’s the truth tip in? The fact that an FBI man infiltrated the Weathermen group and heard Ayers say words to the effect that in a revolution it’s inevitable innocent people would be killed. Is that why he put nails and razor blades in the bombs? Makes sense to me.

Yet, even at age 47, Barack Obama doesn’t reject Bill Ayers.

Barack says he’s just a “friend from the neighborhood”.

Yet, they’ve sat on boards together, given speeches together, ate dinner together where associate and pal, Rashid Khalidi, former PLO member, cast Judaism as a gutter religion.

It’s all on a video tape that the LA Times wouldn’t release to protect Barack Obama’s chances of winning the election. What’s their excuse now that the election’s over. Heaven knows.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.

What does all this comes down to?

Just this.

I don’t think Barack Obama gives two hoots about following the laws of the land or the laws of decent and honorable society.

Why, he’s even talking about making community service for young people mandatory.

Mandatory.

Which is clearly unconstitutional. You can draft young people, yes, to defend the country, but you can’t force young people to clean up a park, albeit a nice thing to do. But something you can’t require people to do.

And there’s a little matter called the second amendment.

Obama, I believe, plans to go after it like a pedophile goes after a child. When Barack is through with the second amendment, I don’t think you’ll recognize it.

I guess, when all is said and done, I believe that Mr.Obama believes in following mores, rules and laws when it’s convenient. When it’s not, well, you’ve gotta make up your own mind.

Personally, I’ve decided to take my cue from my soon to be commander in chief.

If I disagree with a law, I just might not follow it. If I don’t think I’m a terrorist, then maybe I’m not. If I don’t think I’m going to fast, then maybe I’m not. If I don’t feel like paying my taxes, then maybe I won’t. If I want to knock down an old lady peacefully demonstrating for traditional man woman marriage, then maybe I will. Where does this go? Far as the chaotic mind can see.

At least, Mister Obama, now we know the rules of the game. Let the chips fall where they may.

1. Bill Ayers again today said he doesn’t think he’s a terrorist. And our President Elect has nothing to say. Tacit agreement if ever I heard it.
2.Obama thinks he broke no law or ethical cannon when he accepted $159,000 from Tony Rezko. So I guess he didn’t.
3. Obama thinks there was no quid pro quo when Obama asked Tony Rezko for helping in buying real estate. Rezko’s wife then bought it, and sold it to Obama at what many believe was hundreds of thousands below market value.
Obama believes it was all on the up and up. So I guess it was. After all, that’s what Obama believes.

Too bad, but there’s

to disregard it. So I’ve decided we should all take a cue from our commander in chief. If we don’t agree with a law, I don’t have to follow it. If I don’t think I’m a terrorist, then I’m not. If I don’t think I’m breaking a law, then I’m not.

At least, Barack, now we know the rules of the game. Let the chips fall where they may.

1. Bill Ayers again today said he doesn’t think he’s a terrorist. And our President Elect had nothing to say. Tacit agreement if ever I heard it.
2.Obama thinks he broke no law or ethical cannon when he accepted $159,000 from Tony Rezko. So I guess he didn’t.
3. Obama thinks there was no quid pro quo when Obama asked Tony Rezko for help in buying real estate. Rezko’s wife then bought it, and sold it to Obama at what many believe was hundreds of thousands below market value.
Obama believes, though a bonehead thing to do, that it was all on the up and up. So I guess it was. After all, that’s what Obama believes.

Unfortunately, here’s the fly in the ointment. The law says

to disregard it. So I’ve decided we should all take a cue from our commander in chief. If we don’t agree with a law, I don’t have to follow it. If I don’t think I’m a terrorist, then I’m not. If I don’t think I’m breaking a law, then I’m not.

At least, Barack, now we know the rules of the game. Let the chips fall where they may.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:39 pm 158. Rachel Peepers:

Sorry, for the copying mistake. It was late.
Hope the top draft made sense.

I had to cut and paste to try to make it flow.

Rachel

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:47 pm 159. DF:

Once again, many have made the claim that Sarah Palin would be a good president. Don’t be scared and don’t be vague.

WHAT ARE THE SKILLS SHE POSESSES THAT WOULD MAKE HER A GOOD PRESIDENT? WHAT POLICIES DOES SHE ESPOUSE THAT ARE SUPERIOR IN NATURE TO ANYONE ELSE’S?

Be specific about her policies. Explain why the skills you list will make her such a fine president. This is an endorsement web site about Sarah Palin’s embryonic bid for the presidency in 2012. If you she can be president in 2012, why is she the best candidate? Kyle-Anne, you wrote the article, let’s defend your decision. At this point, I am not even arguing with it, I just want to know how you came to that conclusion, minus all the rhetoric, propaganda and vague inferences. No “pitbull in lipstick.” Let’s see, “I think Sarah Palin is the best choice for a leader because……..

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:47 pm 160. Michael McNeil:

Here’s what Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard and an opinion writer at the New York Times had to say on last Sunday’s Fox News Sunday about the post-election Palin smears emanating from a couple of McCain staffers. (All the rest of the posting is quotation, transcribed by me.)

Chris Wallace: Bill, you have sources in the Palin camp, what’s the truth to all this?

Bill Kristol: I have sources in the McCain camp — it was one camp, you know. These are McCain staffers who worked for Palin. A couple of them unfortunately behaved like jerks after the election and thought they could help themselves by telling Newsweek — of course, always on background, not a single person has stepped forward with a name, you know, to say anything negative about Palin — but on background these stories. I’ve talked to Steve Biegun, who’s a very well respected Washington foreign policy hand — never met Sarah Palin until they asked him to go work for her for the two months — he was there at these briefings, and he’s told me the truth about them. And it’s so… these stories have so little resemblance to reality that they’re purely malicious and really false — and frankly reporters shouldn’t print this kind of stuff unless they can get corroboration, in this case they could have called Steve Biegun, who was in the room, they could have called others, they didn’t, so….

Wallace: What is the truth about Africa, or about NAFTA?

Kristol: The truth about NAFTA is she had a long day of briefings, she went through NAFTA, CAFTA; there was a lot of stuff going on. At the end there had been distractions, and stuff. Let’s just go through it one more time. And what exactly, what’s the relationship of NAFTA, which countries are in CAFTA — that’s the Central American Free Trade Agreement — I [motioning at himself] couldn’t tell you what countries are in there. Which countries do we have free trade agreements with in Latin America — is it Chile? Perfectly sensible question at the end of a long day just to get it clarified. And that makes it seem like she doesn’t know like what’s North America!

The Africa comment was, she was doing apparently… Steve Schmidt was firing her rapid… giving her rapid-fire questions, in sort of debate prep, and she’d actually gotten in a long discussion with Biegun and others about Bush’s Africa policy, the AIDS policy, what was happening in the Congo and all this, and she began the answer by saying something like — you know, as a practice thing, and they asked her the question — and she said, “Look, Africa is a country with a lot of problems….” It was a slip of the tongue! You know. And she went on to discuss what was happening in Africa. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t understand that Africa is a continent not a country.

That tells you something about just the petty maliciousness, unfortunately, of a few staffers speaking on background. Senator McCain, I’m told, called up Thursday from Arizona to his senior staff and said, “Stop it, cut it out, this is totally outrageous.” Nicolle Wallace went on TV Friday morning and said it’s over, we all like Sarah Palin — and I think they’ve tried to end it.

Wallace: And why was this happening?

Kristol: I don’t know.

Juan Williams [liberal, black, Obama-supporting commentator from PBS]: I can tell you: Because a lot of people right now, in the midst of a loss, want to avoid blame, and they have political careers coming.

But, you know, let me just say this: As someone who thinks that Sarah Palin was inexperienced, and, you know, it’s not a matter of Sarah Palin not being smart and capable — you can learn that stuff! — she wasn’t on the national stage, and that’s why she might not have been familiar with that stuff up front. But just speaking, you know, in terms of defending a woman — gosh, I would think that feminists all over the country would be up in arms about the way that Sarah Palin has been treated. [Shakes his head in bemusement.]

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:52 pm 161. DF:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5782924&page=1

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:06 pm 162. Beverly:

Re cedarford’s comment — “A poll of Republicans showing 69% of them loved Palin, when Republicans are a shrinking minority of the electorate and independents and Reagan Democrats are moving away from them is a pretty meaningless poll statistic.
What is important is the exit polls that had independents, young women, college grads, hispanics saying Palin hurt the Republicans and influenced their vote to go against Republicans vs. the opposite.”

OK, sportsfan, let’s sort this out. Palin debuted to raves across the spectrum. RAVES. Including the middle-grounders.

SHE didn’t lose the people — the media attack dogs tore her to bits, lied, smeared, slandered, and viciously libeled this good women from here to hell and back.

ONLY THEN did public opinion “turn against” her. But it wasn’t against Sarah, it was against the grotesque caricature the filthy media had drawn of her.

Character assassination, the worst I’ve ever seen (and I’ve been watching politics for a few decades). So don’t comfort yourself that you can spread lies and filth forever without a reckoning: there WILL be one. And Sarah will rise again, you betchya!

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:12 pm 163. Beverly:

“As a liberal Democrat, I applaud your support of Sarah Palin as the Republican candidate for President in 21012. There is no one I would rather see as your candidate.”

Wee Bobby, be careful what you wish for. And remember, that’s what we said about your Marxist dude.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:15 pm 164. Beverly:

“I didn’t even finish college, but just reading on my own I’ve come up with a fairly deep understanding of the world’s problems and what the best solutions might be. I’d debate with anyone, anytime, in front of anyone and everyone, on those topics and on domestic economic policy too. I understand how the world works, owned a multimillion dollar business with 25 employees, achieved national notoriety in my field including nominations for national awards (no, I”m not telling you what my field is ) and was a public speaker as a part of my job.

Now, during the debate I’m beggin’ for, I might not sound like a college graduate myself. I might drop the G from lots of words, like beggin’. I might resort to redneck metaphors. And I might need an occasional clarifying boost before I”m up to speed on some arcane element of the impenetrable fog of American wonkage…

But I know, because I can do it, that it does NOT take a postgraduate degree from an Ivy League school to understand this stuff. It’s just like Journalism– they try to make it seem complex and mysterious, only to build themselves up in the public eye as some sort of experts. BUT THEY”RE NOT. Journalism is ’see it, write it down, who, what, when, where, why.” NOT COMPLICATED.

Policy isn’t either, when you approach it with PRINCIPLES IN PLACE. Follow your principles and you won’t get into any deep deep muddy places.

It’s the principl-free ‘expertise’ that I have come to DEPLORE, because it isn’t transparent. IT CANNOT BE, because if it were, the public would know these people are all morons. So they conceal their mediocrity behind a screen of ’shades of grey’, levels of complexity.

Gawd that makes me mad.

Sarah Palin is ready for anything. She’s smart, tough, principled and unafraid. That’s OVERQUALIFIED, in my book.”

Aw, DAVE! DING: and the man gets a cigar! [bows low]

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:22 pm 165. Papertiger:

McCain crippled himself and the whole party with campaign finance reform.
Rules of which seem to be mostly enforcible at the exclusive whim of the media. Which is another way of saying “don’t apply to democrats”.
Obama will never answer for the crime of foreign campaign contributions or massive credit card fraud. And that’s stuff you can chalk up to McCain’s good and friendly bipartisan working relationship with democrats.
The only problem I can see with Sarah is her continued devotion to a worthless old warhorse, who showers kisses on people who despise and use him, while treating his advocates, associates, and constiuents, as if they had the plague.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:22 pm 166. Donna V.:

Camille Paglia, a leftist who voted for Obama, nevertheless likes Palin and stoutly defended her. Paglia does not turn a blind eye to the idiots on her side and correctly noted that the Palin haters were snobs and jealous harpies. She thinks Palin is going to be a GOP powerhourse in years to come. I don’t always agree with Paglia, but I think she’s right regarding Palin.

Lack of credentials (as if past governors of Arkansas or Georgia had foreign policy experience)was not the issue.

The real issue is that Palin is a beautiful, fertile, pro-life woman. She was bound to enrage metrosexual nancy boys (a term that does not only, or always, apply to gay men. I have known whiny, wussie, prissy male hetrosexuals – and they are always and inevitably liberals.) and embittered feminists. They are threatened by anyone who has more than 2 children. They are also threatened by strong yet feminine women (Sarah) and manly men (Todd).

Unfortunately, I think Palin will be taken more seriously once her looks fade a bit. That’s because a large percentage of women and men in this country can’t get past junior high. They can’t believe a beautiful woman can also be smart and capable – and Palin obviously is.

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:50 am 167. Deb D:

Good column, Kyle-Anne. Palin will have a few years to bone up on what the media thinks is so important: foreign policy. They didn’t think it was so important for Obama, but then he was a man who looked cool and graduated from Columbia and had a law degree from Harvard, so he just knows stuff because of that. (right) If the country survives an Obama presidency, I hope Governor Palin will be waiting in the wings ready to show who she is, rather than the cartoon character SNL and the mainstream media has tried to make of her. We love her out here in normal land.

Nov 15, 2008 - 1:33 am 168. NB:

I really like Palin to the point that I was voting third party until she was added to the ticket but I’d prefer Jindal in 2012.

Just my two cents.

Nov 15, 2008 - 3:16 am 169. DF:

Beverelry,

I applaud your motivation and enthusiasm. Now please explain what policies she has that make her a superior candidate?

She said she is” tough, smart , principaled and unafraid.” I am not going to argue with your assumptions. Would you please tell me how that differs with anyone who runs for president and why these are the only qualities that matter as you didn’t mention any others?

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:23 am 170. DF:

I have tried to post the website with the MSNBC report on troopergate and you have not let me, why? It specifically details a conversation wherein Palin is abusing her authority, acknowledges it and chooses to continue along that path anyways. pathttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/30/1310109.aspxh

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:26 am 171. DF:

I’ve cited two web sites that verify Palin is an idiot and crooked. Feel free to browse them at your leisure.

Love,
DF

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:28 am 172. mjs:

Other ways Sarah Palin is like Patton:

- Never complained when treated unfairly
- Educated at a respected institution, graduated with honors
- Insisted on the highest standards of discipline
- Pithy public speaker whose speech was riddled with profanities
- Self-consciously elite attitude based on the highest standards of excellence
- Defeated the Nazis

I think we can all agree that Sarah Palin resembles General Patton in all these ways, rather than being a laughably bumbling mediocrity.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:48 am 173. DF:

Donna V,

You list the qualities of “beautiful,fertile and pro-life” and then “smart and capable.” I am not arguing with your assumptions. How is she smart and capable? How does being beautiful, fertile and pro-life make someone a viable candidate for president? You just listed fertile and beautiful as important qualities. Please explain specifically how these qualities are important?

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:03 am 174. DF:

MJS,

I will not contradict your claims or put them down. Although you should really rethink your first assertion.
-What institution was she educated at?
-Insisted on the highest standards of discipline for what and for whom?
-When was she ‘pithy’ and how is this a possitive trait for government officials?
-How did she defeat the Nazis, she’s a little young?
Thanks for responding your comments are jaw-dropping.
-In you 5th point, you state that she is an elitist. How is that a positive trait for a government official who is supposed to represent the people?

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:22 am 175. Michael McNeil:

The high intellectual hoops that so many in the country and here in this thread are seeking to force Palin to vault through — or else she’s deemed supposedly “unqualified” for office — are absurd; just as the point some have touted that Palin supposedly isn’t qualified to run any of the Fortune 500 companies in America is irrelevant.

The fact is that none of the executives in charge of Fortune 500 companies, not to speak of the hordes of arrogant commenters pontificating here (barring an occasional visitor having actual heavy-duty political experience), are themselves qualified to become Vice President or President of the nation: because high political office in this country requires political experience — being elected to something, something greater than dogcatcher — which Sarah Palin as governor of a large, complex and diverse state, indubitably possesses.

As to what experience counts best in this regard, state governors come first, senators a more distant second, while representatives are out of the game. Palin, among the most popular governors in the nation after years in the office (and even before her exposure and performance as a major party’s vice presidential candidate), ranks quite highly in this regard.

Considering Palin’s experience as a political executive, it’s worth noting that the state she administers, Alaska’s gross domestic product (2007) is more than $44 billion (federal BEA figures), while state government revenues (which Palin as governor administers) totaled more than $13 billion for 2008. On a corporate scale this is far from small potatoes, whilst GDP-wise, Alaska is bigger than many nations: larger, for instance, than Serbia (whose GDP was some $42 billion as of 2007).

Before her election as governor, Palin served on and ultimately chaired Alaska’s Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Since that time, during her tenure as governor of the state Palin propelled into being the Alaska Gas Pipeline project — negotiating with Canada to authorize its end, selecting among competing corporate proposals — finally signing into law just this last August 27, 2008, the bill authorizing half a billion dollars in seed money as well as licensing the company (TransCanada Corp) designated to build the ultimately more than 1,700 mile long, $26 billion pipeline, designed to carry some four billion cubic feet of natural gas a day to the lower 48 states. While the project still isn’t completely certain of realization (various First Nations in Canada must also buy in on it, for one thing), it’s nonetheless a very impressive achievement.

Beyond that, though it has a relatively small population for a state (similar to that of her Democratic opponent Senator Joe Biden’s state of Delaware), Alaska is enormous in sheer scale (superimposed on the contiguous U.S., Alaska would stretch from Los Angeles, California, on the Pacific in the American [south] west, to Charleston, South Carolina, on the Atlantic in the [south] east, to the North Dakota-Canadian frontier in the north) — not to speak of that land’s (the only arctic state in the union) terrific variety and environmental rigors: from the ice and storm-tossed Bering Sea where dangerous commercial fishing work is undertaken (half of all the fish taken in the western U.S. come from the Bering Sea), to the state’s expansive, frigid interior, where tens of thousands of native and non-native folk live, oftentimes scores of miles from any road, in a region where wintertime temperatures sometimes approach −80° F. (revisit that figure again: 150 Fahrenheit degrees below room temperature). Roads reach only a minority of the state, whilst an extensive state-run ferry fleet is required to support those residing within the vast (almost entirely) roadless Alexander Archipelago of the Alaska southeast (including the state capital), together with numerous other island communities. Only aircraft can service much of the rest of the state. Alaska also has unusual defense requirements — recall just who lies along its western border; one of the nation’s two anti-ballistic missile interceptor systems is operational there. Alaska ain’t Delaware!

Comparing Palin with the Democratic running mate, Joe Biden is a legislator who had never held any kind of executive position, whereas Sarah Palin administers the whole Alaska shebang — very successfully, according to her stratospheric approval ratings (even, until the recent electoral hoorah, among Alaska Democrats) — a most remarkable and revealing showing, that.

As to whether she knows every last detail of what a President must know — even if she had been elected V.P. in the recent election, in the unlikely eventuality (as McCain’s health is known to be excellent and actuarily he should live for at least a dozen years yet) that Palin did end up untimely propelled into that office — since the Vice President of the U.S. has basically no duties, she’d have had plenty of free time to study up on it. McCain having lost that election, in the present instance she has years to pick up what more she needs to know.

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:26 am 176. DF:

http://www.ktva.com/ci_10983704?source=most_viewed

At this site we see Karl Rove explain she is not ready for the presidency. Karl Rove said this, not me. Karl Rove is the main Republican strategist, he says she isn’t ready.
Also, she doesn’t know where South Ossetia is but asserts a tough stance on Russian incursians even advocating the deployment of American troops in Georgia to combat the Russians. She said that, not me. I hope she knows which Georgia. Hahahahahahahahahaha. Watch out Atlanta.

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:29 am 177. Rahm Emanuel: “Sieg heil, mein Fuhrer!” « Mark Epstein:

[...] In the meantime, it is a necessity to pray for our leaders, while simultaneously identifying the enemies of God and the Republic among us. Will Obamination, after taking the oath of office, sincerely “support and defend” the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, if he thinks it’s “fundamentally flawed”? Will Rahm Emanuel support our allies (including Israel) if political expediency and maintaining power dictates otherwise? Probably not. Therefore, it is time for Americans to gird up their loins. It is time for Americans to confront the godless hate of the gay movement, liberal teachers and professors, liberal theologians, liberals in general, and those opposed to Judeo-Christian morality and Christian orthodoxy–including church leaders. We begin the confrontation with an articulate apologia but, if necessary, we extend no quarter to those who would support leaders who will take our country into a Nazi-style tyranny. As General George Patton said, “Nobody ever defended anything successfully; there is only attack and attack and attack some more.” [...]

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:08 am 178. DF:

Michael you assert the following,
-Palin has ‘political experience.’
-She maintained a high GDP off of oil revenues. So, if there is private industry mining precious resources in your state that are heavily taxed for use by the persons in charge, that means that person is qualified?
-Initiating or verbally pushing the construction of a gas pipeline. What other building projects does someone have to talk about to be qualified?
-Govenor of a large geographically inaccessable area. So, if you are a Magistrate of Siberia, you can be President of Russia? So a prince in Saudi Arabia would make a good president according to you. Oil revenues, pipelines, inaccesable landscape with multinational and multi-ethnic populations lorded over.
-Being in charge of a state where half the fish comes from for the US, although it’s privately run fishing production and not state owned.
-She governs native and non-native populations. The native populations are no longer subject to numerous federal and state laws as their land was taken from them, how is that a qualification. Also, many state governments preside over many foreign populations. Look at the diversity in the Major Cities in California and the Native populations. According to your logic, that would make Schwarzenagger a good president?
-She presides over a region where the tempeture drops to -80 degrees. How is the weather a factor for deciding who should be president? Does she reside in Juneau, does it drop to -80degrees there?
-Is STATE govenor Palin in charge of the FEDERAL missile systems in her STATE? Does being in charge of missiles make anyone qualified to handle foreign affairs?
-Alaska isn’t Delaware.
So, 49 other govenors are qualified to be president? I don’t understand why this is a qualification.
-She administers the whole Alaska Shebang.
Palin does everything herself? Does this mean that anyone who is govenor of Alaska is qualified to be President of the United States of America?

-You wrote, “Since the Vice-President has basically no duties, She’d have plenty of free time to study up on it.” I wrote earlier, I wouldn’t criticize qualifications, just question them. This statement is not a qualification and therefore open to criticism. LOL You actually said Palin would have plenty of time to study up on doing nothing. How does one study up on doing nothing. Don’t you feel stupid for putting that down for the whole world to read. LOL

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:13 am 179. Phi:

Hey there DF-
As per qualifications of Palin-
Maybe a bit more than that bumbling fool of a governor/disgraced President from Arkansas a few yrs back.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:21 am 180. Ken:

KYLE-ANN SHRIVER, CAN YOU POST DF’S ADDRESS (OBTAINED THROUGH HIS IP)? I’D BE GLAD TO PAY HIM A VISIT.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:31 am 181. Mark Epstein:

“The woman, in my opinion, is a natural Patton. A fighter to the core. Palin seems to instinctively know that when one is hip-deep in a culture war and a fight for the survival of American exceptionalism, then one must do more than defend, defend, defend.

If one is not willing to attack in defense of one’s cause, then he ought to get out of the way at the very least — or consider joining the other side.”

And here is my “amen” to this observation: http://markepstein.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/rahm-emanuel-sieg-heil-mein-fuhrer/

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:32 am 182. Ms Attitude:

171. DF: I can post numerous websites that cite Obama is not qualified to be president. So, what’s your point.

175. Michael McNeil: Too bad the MSM didn’t report these qualifications before the election.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:40 am 183. L.Jay:

Count Palin out? How can you when the defense of her name still sparks such a volume (many higher Glenn?) and ferocity of comments?

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:35 am 184. Self-Hating Boomer:

Simple question: why are the obots so worried?

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:46 am 185. Jeff Weimer:

DF:

I have to say this one more time to correct you. 90% of the people of Alaska do not like her. She did not recieve 90% of the votes and is very unpopular now.

Where do you get these numbers? I admit 90% is a little high (It’s around 70-75% support now, was 82% before her nomination). What do you mean 90% do NOT like her? So she’s at 10% support? Bring your reference.

As for lying and corruption, bring that too. The jury is still out – one investigation cleared her, the other cleared her of the original investigation point, but found another violation based upon the fact she didn’t tell her husband to stop forcefully enough.

You want corruption? Obama NOW has no problem with lobbyists in his administration – directly opposite his stand during the campaign. Oh yeah, he steered an earmark to the hospital his wife worked at, and all of a sudden she’s tripled her salary. Quid pro quo? You be the judge.

Every question you give to ask if she’s qualified to be VP can be turned on the current PRESIDENT-elect. Except she has an actual track record. You don’t tell “big oil” to pack sand TWICE in tow years and be unintelligent, unprepared, and afraid. And you can’t be uncurious if you want to understand the complexities of the energy business and energy infrastructure.

Question to you, what makes a Senator SOOO much more qualified to be President than a Governor? After all, until now we haven’t had a sitting Senator elected to President since JFK. All the rest have been Governors or VPs.

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:52 am 186. Michael McNeil:

DF:
You’re being deliberately obtuse, as indeed you have been throughout this thread. I said earlier, “As to whether she [Palin] knows every last detail of what a President must know” … “she’d have had plenty of free time to study up on it” it, of course, being President not V.P.

As to Serbia, it’s a big enough nation for the U.S. to have gotten into and fought a war with less than a decade ago. And, historically, rulers (or presidents) of nations have typically gained the experience they needed to successfully cope with the rigors of the post as a result of starting with administering a smaller province.

The rest of your post isn’t even worth answering.

Nov 15, 2008 - 9:09 am 187. Ursa Major:

I think I know what “DF” stands for but I won’t stoop to write it, except to say it rhymes with “numb luck.”

Nov 15, 2008 - 9:21 am 188. cedarford:

Phi:
Hey there DF-
As per qualifications of Palin-
Maybe a bit more than that bumbling fool of a governor/disgraced President from Arkansas a few yrs back.

I don’t think you want to get into a comparison between Palin and Bill Clinton and what the two did at Palins present age of 46, and what Clinton had done by then.

A few things:

Bill Clinton, president of junior high, hs class, President Georgetown class, Summa BS in Foreign Service. Senate intern then part-time staff for Sen Fulbright. Rhodes scholar. Oxford saxaphonist and Rugby player. Yale Law. Ran the Texas Louisiana Dem Presidential organisation in 1972. Law profesor. State attorney general. 6 term governor. Head of DNC. (15 years of executive leadership in 5 positions, 2 years foreign policy experience as a Fulbright staffer). President at 46.
Left the Presidency with 65% approval rating. Generally regarded as a bit of a sleaze, but a highly competent President..somewhat like FDR. (Also considered in top 5 of all Presidents in raw IQ power)

Palin – Made honor roll in elementary school and off and on in later grades. Head of chapter of christian athletes. varsity girl’s basketball. Attended a string of universities and community colleges before getting her journalism degree. No advanced schooling. 3rd in Miss Alaska contest. Mayor of a town of 5,000 for 6 years. 1 year on a Commission before resigning. 2 years as governor by age 44.

Nov 15, 2008 - 9:29 am 189. Judy:

Palin will NEVER get my vote. She is a silly, hair in the eyes, giddy acting “teenager” with not a lick of sense. She would ruin this country, just like she ruined John McCain’s chances to win the election. Why he ever chose her for a running mate is beyond me, when there were so many other great people he could have chose. She was his downfall, and as far as I am concerned, electing this woman to be president of this great country would be THE biggest mistake ever. Hillary Clinton has it all over this woman. Take the L out of Palin, and you have PAIN, which is just what she is.

Nov 15, 2008 - 9:43 am 190. Donna V.:

DF: I didn’t say that Palin’s beauty and pro-life beliefs qualified her for anything. I said that they were, at bottom, the reasons liberals detest her so much. The sheer pettiness and ugliness of their hissy fits (”Todd got a DUI! Is Trig really Palin’s baby? Ohhh, $150,000 spent on clothes!”) show that their problems with her go much deeper than politics. That is why they hold her to standards they never held Clinton or Carter or Edwards or Biden to.

#175 presents the case for Palin very well. I don’t know why I should retype the arguments for her all over again, since it’s not like they’re sinking in.

Nov 15, 2008 - 9:47 am 191. SiouxLady:

Sarah 2012!!! Hope I’m still here to vote for her!

Nov 15, 2008 - 9:52 am 192. Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » How Sarah Palin Almost Saved The Campaign:

[...] weird juvenile hatred of Sarah Palin with fantasies of infanticide and ignorant distortions, we get this great article on how Sarah Palin was the reason that McCain came as close as he did to Obama: For all the tacky [...]

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:06 am 193. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

Dear Readers,

I would argue, with all the dissenters here, that Palin is indeed ready to actually serve in the office of the Vice Presidency, the one for which she was running. As a matter of fact (not opinion), Governor Palin had far more executive experience — actually running a government and actually accomplishing something which requires decision-making skills — than any of the other 3 candidates on both tickets this year.

Clearly, however, she is not ready (and I daresay not willing) to become a celebrity political star at the service of people who talk for a living and those who watch for a past time, i.e. our now infamous mainstream “press” and their ogling portion of the public.

For that role, one obviously needs a law degree from one of the Ivy’s and a terrifically bloated opinion of oneself.

Warmest regards, Kyle-Anne

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:32 am 194. Jim in Alaska:

DF:

Excellent job, DF, for a while you had me going and I actually thought you believed the drivel you were spouting, however going back through your posts, I realize nobody could be that dumb so you just be having us on.

The more I read of your ramblings, the more I’m sure you’re writing with tongue in cheek and that you’re actually a huge Palin fan.

You start out asking us to believe that you think she didn’t know Africa wasn’t a country? I’m quite sure you know the MSM retracted that story and noted it was absolutely false, naturally waiting until after election day to really publicize the retraction of said story.

Thanks much for reminding us just how unfair the MSM can be in their support of a specific candidate or agenda and how easy it is to accept outright lies as truth if repeated often enough.

Then you tell us that her husband Todd ain’t got no job? Last I heard he was still had his job on the North Slope, as I’m sure you know.

Also he/they do have a commercial fishing license and admittedly, that’s more of a business than just a job (much more and much harder work than just a job).

She’s an expert on foreign policy ’cause she can see Russia? Oh yes, you know that ain’t quite what she said -but governing (or just living in) a state that shares borders with two foreign countries does make one more aware of world affairs than, say, living in Ogallie Florida or Jefferson, Tennessee.

It takes a brave person to cast one’s self as a complete and utter fool to illustrate and pound those points home for the rest of us, I applaud you for having the guts to do so.

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:34 am 195. Lee-Missouri Ozarks:

Dear Kyle-Anne: High Five and Ole, what a great article. (I’m trying to be PC and get used to the idea that 26% of the electorate voted 80% for Obama and this is not noted in any way as “racism”.) All kidding aside, “you’ve done it again” quote the inimitable MaGoo.

Bringing Gen. George S Patton to the fray is sheer genius. It inspires a picture that I’ve chuckled over since finishing your article.

DDE, FDR, and HST kept George on a very short lease for good reason. But can you imagine Gen. Patton sitting before Congress with a copy of the NYT in his lap while HRC pontificates about “credibility” among other insults by her and her senatorial and house bretheren. I can only laugh and regret that we will never get to add to the Quotable Quotes of one of americas most outspoken heroes.

Two other great quotes come to mind. The first a lesson about big government and human relations we tend to forget:

“Don’t tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with the results.” GSP

This one is for Palin and unfortunatly forgotten by McC:
“A piece of spaggeti or a military unit (country, my word) can only be led from the front end.” GSP

Sarah Palin was the only “leader” that showed up for this party. “The One” (fuehrer) is only a well spoken dupe of the Chicago Machine. McC tried to run the campaign from the sidelines, that only works in certain sports.

I really think we will see Palin as soon as 2010. It will take only that long for the “real Obama” to be seen and understood by our people. “Change” from Mafia Politics and Clintonesq backstabbing will be the conservative agenda very possibly led by Sarah Palin.

PC is Thought Control
LEE

Nov 15, 2008 - 11:08 am 196. DF:

Kyle-Anne,

Please list all relevant qualifications Palin has to be president and why they are valid? You will do this with an understanding that Karl Rove said in no uncertain terms she is not ready. That FOX news has already stated she is not ready. Why does the Chief Republican Strategist and the main source of right-wing pundits disagree with you? What are her specific qualifications? Just put them down. Don’t put anything down that insinuates that she has domain over something that she clearly had nothing to do with, such as FEDERAL missile defense systems. She was in charge of STATE excecutive power, therefore, FEDERAL defense sites do not fall under her jurisdiction.

You people are actually saying that FOX, MSNBC, ABC and Karl Rove are not a valid source of data? I’m curious, what are valid sources of info.

I dare anyone on this blog to go to Mother Jones and espouse your opinion on Palin. Please let me know when you do, I need a good laugh. I am one person driving you to fits and making you look stupid, I can’t wait for 100,000 people to make you feel ashamed as well.

Warmest Regards,
DF

MSNBC, FOX and ABC suddenly have no credentials. This is an interesting assertion.

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:03 pm 197. DF:

Michael McNeil,

Will the rest of my questions will go unanswered by you because your opinion(that’s all it is) is so flimsy that it can’t stand up to a few questions? You think that Palin is ready to run for President. Fine, what POLICIES did she draft or initiate into her state’s legislature?

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:09 pm 198. DF:

I can tell by the lack of valid responses that the worst thing to show a right-winger is the truth. TSK-TSK.

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:12 pm 199. DF:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_mccainpalin_lies_and_the_n.html

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:30 pm 200. DF:

John Roberts and CNN are now part of the biased media along with FOX, MSNBC and ABC? If all these places are biased, then where is the place where the world can get untainted news? Do not say here.

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:33 pm 201. kochevnik:

That billion dollar bridge to nowhere was a great example of Sara’s legendary vision and leadership.

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:40 pm 202. Chuck Pelto:

— TO: DF
RE: Palin Not Ready?

At this site we see Karl Rove explain she is not ready for the presidency. Karl Rove said this, not me. Karl Rove is the main Republican strategist, he says she isn’t ready. — DF

But he says if she wants to run for president, she’ll need someone to help “take her game to another level.” — Karl Rove, as linked to by DF

There’s something of a difference between being READY to be president and being ready TO RUN for the presidency. But I suspect you’ve not the brains to recognize that.

After all, Palin was better qualified to be president then Bill Clinton was when HE ran for the office. But I doubt if logic matters to your ilk.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. So what are these ‘truth’ items you were mentioning Conservatives are allegedly afraid to look at? Please cite the item above as there are so many and I’m not inclined to waste my time on the sort of tripe most of your kind spout as ‘truth’.

[Today's Truth is tomorrow's lie. -- Socialist manifesto]

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:45 pm 203. Chuck Pelto:

TO: kochevnik
RE: The Bridge To Nowhere

That billion dollar bridge to nowhere was a great example of Sara’s legendary vision and leadership. — kochevnik

Yeah….

….first she was for it and then she was against it.

I seem to recall a LOT of politicians, especially Senator Kerry, saying something similar.

The crucial difference between Palin and Kerry being that she made the proper choice AFTER the evidence was in.

Soooooo….

….what’s your point here?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?]

Nov 15, 2008 - 1:11 pm 204. Arius:

Read Camile Paglia on Palin at Salon.com. Camile is a feminist that recognizes the strengths that Palin has. After the usual junk thought that passes for thinking and reporting in the MSM I breathed in the fresh air of Camile Paglia on Palin.

Nov 15, 2008 - 1:12 pm 205. goy:

- I am one person driving you to fits …

Heh. Fits of laughter, mostly.

The only qualifications necessary to hold the Office of President are clearly outlined in the U.S. Constitution (see Article II, Sec. 1 – and here’s a dictionary to look up the big words). By those clear standards, Palin is qualified. End of discussion.

Keep playing the intellectual equivalent of pocket-pool, and pretending that your – or anyone else’s – wholly subjective opinions are the same as “qualifications”. We’ll keep laughing.

Nov 15, 2008 - 1:33 pm 206. DF:

Chuck,

By asserting she has to take her game to the next level, Rove is agreeing she isn’t ready.

You couldn’t be that stupid.

Nov 15, 2008 - 1:53 pm 207. DF:

Chuck,

Just site your reasons why she is qualified? That’s all you have to do? Site specifics that are not insinuations. Site specific policies she intiated that made her great. Don’t say well what makes Clinton great? That is saying that you can’t think of any so please list another real presidents credentials so you can compare and contrast. That’s ridiculous, you are dodging the question and acting in an obtuse fashion. Just answer the question. What are the specific stances Sarah Palin has on the major issues facing the nation which make her qualified to run for President? Keep in mind. You are disagreeing with Karl Rove.

Nov 15, 2008 - 2:06 pm 208. Lee-Missouri Ozarks:

DF
Did someone open an “unused” locker in the high school gym and let you out?
You reek with the stench of Liberal Thought Processes.
The idea that Sarah Palin was “not ready” for the presidency has to be asked in context. Compared to who?? Only a certifiable idiot would try to make a case for BHO’s supremecy in this arena.
And, just to clear the air, I have never understood the need for the comparison. Unless something happened to McC almost immediatly she would have time to grow into those presidential shoes as would any VP.

Furthermore, the fairer comparison is between Biden and Palin. I can only laugh because Biden is a dunce of first magnitude. The guy is a clown, a gaffe machine. He is the best assassination insurance that BHO could buy. There is no comparison! It’s Palin hands down.

PC is Thought Control
LEE

Nov 15, 2008 - 2:26 pm 209. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DF
RE: Try…

By asserting she has to take her game to the next level, Rove is agreeing she isn’t ready. — DF

….not to be so ‘dense’.

Rove’s not talking about her capabilities to BE president. He’s talking about her ability to campaign to be president. It’s sort of like the truism that….

Anyone can paint a picture. But it takes a wise man to sell it. — anonymous

And selling someone as able to be president of the United States takes a different sort of skill set.

Why do you think The One hired such an array of marketing agencies?

Sorry you can’t quite grasp the subtle difference.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[It's not my fault that you're too dense to properly interpret my passive aggression.]

Nov 15, 2008 - 2:43 pm 210. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DF
RE: Qualifications

Just site your reasons why she is qualified? — DF

Good gosh, person. I’ve done that here since late August. Where the HECK have you been?

Google my name with Palin and “qualifications” or “qualified” or “Patriot” or “Commander-n-chief”. Click on a link and then do a ‘find’ on my name.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There is nothing to which men will not stoop in order to avoid having to actually think.]

Nov 15, 2008 - 2:47 pm 211. pete:

If ms palin looked like elanor rousevelt (sp) i doubt that she would have been a v.p. candidate.

Nov 15, 2008 - 2:58 pm 212. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DF
RE: Specific URL

I think you’ll find this thread useful in answering some of your questions.

Start around item #186 and continue reading from there.

That’s just the first essay in response to one each ‘Postergirl’. There are others that address other issues expressed by other ‘liberal-progressives’, if you care to search.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Liberals aren't. Progressives won't.]

Nov 15, 2008 - 3:00 pm 213. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DF
RE: Palin’s Qualifications Items, Silly Me

Actually, that item to ‘Postergirl’ apparently wasn’t the first item.

You can also find more information on Mary Grabar’s article titled “Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin: It’s Academic”….

….Here’s the link.

Enjoy,

Chuck(le)
[On second thought, let us not go to Z'Ha'Dum, it is a silly place.]

Nov 15, 2008 - 3:30 pm 214. DF:

Chuck,

We seem to be having a communication gap. In your blogs you do not list Palin’s credentials, qualities, agendas or policies. You saying she is great and the media is attacking her. How is she the best candidate for president? List your own opinions or actual facts right here, right now. Your links only lead to more of your claptrap. Put the list of her presidential qualities right here, right now. Put up or shut-up.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:04 pm 215. DF:

Chuck,

You either don’t have a well-thought, formulated opinion or are scared to put your ideas down. I will not argue with what you write as supports to what makes a good president. I just want to see what you think makes a good president, because you are claiming Palin possesses these qualities. What are they? What are her specific views on the major issues facing our country at home and abroad? This will distinctly spell out why you think she is an exceptional presidential candidate. You did not list any in the links you posted here.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:09 pm 216. DF:

Chuck,

Joan makes you look foolish in her posts at 21,58 and 59. She clearly makes good points and cites numerous different media outlets for her supports. Moreover, you rarely cite any other media source other than pajamas. You pressure Joan for sources and she gave you all of them and then her own credentials. She was eloquent and direct. Quite the opposite of you. Chuck, c’mon, you look like little girl right now. Put-up or shut-up. Show me how your pea-brain works, should take a matter of seconds.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:17 pm 217. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DF
RE: Speak….

You either don’t have a well-thought, formulated opinion or are scared to put your ideas down. — DF

….for yourself, DF.

Then again, maybe you should cite the specific reasons YOU think she is UNQUALIFIED. Then I might address them, if they are anything different from what I’ve addressed elsewhere, and add them to my list of args.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Looking forward to refuting your args…..

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:30 pm 218. Chuck Pelto:

TO: PJM
RE: [OT] Hey! Guys!!!!

Can we get a PREVIEW function installed here?

Sakes!

Regards,

Chuck(le]
[Only perfect spellers in HTML can communicate properly here. -- CBPelto]

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:34 pm 219. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: DF and Projection

Show me how your pea-brain works — DF

I wonder if he’s clicked on my name.

THEN, maybe, we can talk about ‘pea-brain’ more accurately.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. It should get ‘interesting’, once my earlier comments FINALLY come out of ‘moderation’.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:47 pm 220. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. Isn’t it ‘interesting’….

Joan makes you look foolish in her posts at 21,58 and 59. — DF

….that DF can’t seem to keep his position in the blogosphere anchored well enough that he’d realize that Joan never made any posts in THIS THREAD. Indeed, item #58 in this thread was posted by myself.

I have to wonder just how much scented lamp oil he/she/it has drunk tonight to not notice that.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:51 pm 221. Mark Epstein:

DF,

Karl Rove? Are you kidding? Who cares what that “neo-con machine manager” has to say about anything other than running a campaign, and Chuck Pelto spelled it out for you WHAT Rove was referring to (i.e., Palin and a presidential CAMPAIGN). In other words, Rove kept his mouth shut about things he didn’t know about. Unfortunately, the Hollywood types with high-school diplomas rant on about the greatness of The One. Please list the Hollywood’s set “credentials” to be telling Americans whom they should vote for.

As for HRC, WJC, BHO, or any of the latest round of socialists who’ve run for president, none of them have been qualified. WJC served because he didn’t kill anybody while driving drunk (sorry Ted), and his forceable rape “skill set” sure helped out in the oral office. Not only is WJC an immoral pig, his failures in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo are legendary. I was on the ground in January 1996 when Clinton insisted the Brcko “issue” be settled in 3 months. Well, it’s 12.5 years later and it isn’t settled yet! Oh, did I mention his REPEATED leadership failure in taking out the mastermind of 9/11?

HRC is even worse. Why do you think the AMA came out against her health care plan back in the early 90’s? Because she was running a cost benefit analysis with human life! (Note: Although this is nothing new for the pro-abort Democrats.) The HRC “health plan” in essence said this: “Well, Mr. So-and-So, how much money do you make? Oh, only $20K a year? And this surgery will only extend your life by 5 years? No, you can’t have the life-saving surgery because you won’t pay enough taxes post-operatively to make it worthwhile for the ‘government’s’ investment. Sorry. Now go die, but don’t make a lot of noise about it.”

Here’s the upshot of this: The Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and has been for decades. And please don’t compare apples to oranges by pointing out individual Republican moral failures. The issue is the platform. For all their rhetoric about “caring,” the Democrats are the party of death and the logical philosophy to take this country straight to a tyrannical hell of its own making.

Go ahead and whine about pipelines, bridges, internet hoaxes concerning Palin’s knowledge, and meaningless investigations into a drunken, abusive state trooper’s firing. The real issue is the philosophy of death inherent in the Democratic Party and how they speak out of both sides of their mouth (the neo-cons aren’t much better). I’ll take a true conservative any day, and that includes a true social conservative who isn’t interested in bending the Constitution to invent new rights (abortion), coddle sexual deviants, and is willing to subordinate him or herself to a higher set of law principles than those found in the blowing winds of judicial fiat.

Mark

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:01 pm 222. Pat J:

DF
—
Chuck Pelto never has a well-defined opinion. He just wants to be a funnyman. Sort of a comedian. Like Rush Limbaugh. But I do appreciate his Babylon 5 reference. At least he’s not quoting Hawkwind lyrics. Yet!

It’s amusing how none of these Pajamist ass monkeys won’t answer a very simple question. That being…”Why is Sarah Palin qualified to become president?

So here’s your answer. She’s at least 35 years of age. And she was born in the United States. And, that’s about it!

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:35 pm 223. DF:

Chuck,

Put up or shut up.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:20 pm 224. DF:

I already put down at the beginning of this blog why she isn’t.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:20 pm 225. DF:

The joan reference is to your link.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:21 pm 226. DF:

If your part of MENSA, they have lowered their standards, because you can’t answer a simple question. Put up or shut up, upchuck.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:22 pm 227. DF:

I went to the other pages you posted on. All you do is harrass people for their cites and then provide mostly pajamas crap for yours or none at all. Joan made you look really stupid.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:28 pm 228. DF:

I have yet to see one reason why you think Palin is qualified to be president? Put up or shut up.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:29 pm 229. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Pat J
RE: Life

Chuck Pelto never has a well-defined opinion. He just wants to be a funnyman.Sort of a comedian. — Pat J

If I weren’t laughing…

….I’d be weeping.

RE: Palin

”Why is Sarah Palin qualified to become president? — Pat J

Rather, answer MY question as to why she ISN’T qualified.

After all, she’s more qualified than Bill Clinton was when HE ran for office.

Or did HE know something more about ‘foreign relations’ than boffing some cute foreign trade delegate?

Did he have his own state-level NORAD of anti-missile missiles?

You people are REALLY the laugh of the moment, with your idea that some woman is incapable of being President of the United States, and being incapable of explaining WHY.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You can't make this stuff up.....]

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:40 pm 230. Pat J:

229. Chuck Pelto:
After all, she’s more qualified than Bill Clinton was when HE ran for office.

——–
Really? How? He was a governor too! And he was over 35 and born in the United States. Seems to me they were equally qualified.

Hey DF. I just chucked a pelto. How do I clean up this sorry mess?

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:16 pm 231. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Contrary to your ignorant opinion…

Chuck Pelto never has a well-defined opinion. — Pat J

You can read my ‘well-defined’ opinion ANYTIME….you pick up that Old Book.

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:16 pm 232. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DF
RE: Heh

If your part of MENSA, they have lowered their standards, because you can’t answer a simple question. Put up or shut up, upchuck. — DF

You don’t know much about anything do you. My eligibility is based on a test I took in 1970.

Your move to mere name-calling is proof of that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Show me YOUR membership ID number and give me your REAL name, so I can verify your ‘intellect’ with AMC and I’ll call you ‘bro’. Otherwise….three guesses….first two don’t count…..

[Hatred is the cowards revenge for being intimidated.]

P.P.S. In this instance, intellectually.

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:20 pm 233. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

Dear DF:

You seem to be suffering from the illusion that voting for a candidate is a group endeavor, a consensus arrived at in an organizational meeting. However, each vote is cast by one individual by secret ballot and the reasons why each individual votes as he/she does are as varied as the number of voters.

Many polling companies make vast sums of money trying to discern why certain “groups” of people make the electoral decisions that they do and even more money telling politicians how to appear the most pleasing to the perceived wants of the most voters.

But the bottom line is that each individual decides who is and who is not qualified, and each individual’s list of qualifications will be slightly different than the next person’s.

These were once bedrock ideas taught from an early age in American elementary, middle and high schools. These ideas then were reinforced by colleges. That is no longer the case, and you, DF, are the perfect example of this failure of modern, progressive American education.

Your demands that others prove to you why a certain candidate is qualified according to your own individual desires seems to demonstrate that you are a citizen equipped to live in a socialist state, not a Democratic Republic. Whenever you insist that another voter prove to you why their vote was a good one, you show a disrespect for the rights of others to make their decision based on what is important to them. No one, no one owes you that, just as you owe it to no one else.

Trying to make a definitive judgment on what qualifications for office are acceptable to an entire people is not a process that goes with a Democratic Republic, such as the United States of America. This type of unified decision making is typical of socialist, communist, fascist and other totalitarian governments. The Party committee or the fuhrer or the king decides what makes an acceptable leader.

In other words, you are trying to force the square peg of groupthink into the round hole of one-man-one-vote democracy.

I hope you’ll file a lawsuit against your educational institutions. You deserve a refund at the very least.

Sincerely,
Kyle-Anne

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:58 pm 234. Pat J:

231. Chuck Pelto:

You can read my ‘well-defined’ opinion ANYTIME….you pick up that Old Book.
—————
Huh?

And by the way. Didn’t I already answer why Palin was qualified to be President?

Chuck Pelto:
“Rather, answer MY question as to why she ISN’T qualified.”
Umm! She’s qualified. But then, since you raise the question, why don’t you give us some of the reasons she’s not qualified. I can’t think of any. But then. I’m not a MENSA.

Nov 15, 2008 - 8:52 pm 235. Pat J:

233. Kyle-Anne Shiver:
———–
Well said.

Getting back to your article, I can respect Palin’s bark, but she lacked any bite. Politics is a war in itself. But Patton was not a politician. He was a warrior. He was a killer. And he was a warrior at the right time at the right moment in this country’s history.

Palin is not Patton. In much the same way Dan Quayle was no John Kennedy. She is an empty suit. She was a prop. She is a figurehead. And as far as a killer, killing moose ain’t the same thing as ordering people to kill human beings.

The idea she nearly saved McCain is in itself ludicrous. If anything she doomed him further. It really all comes back to the old saying “You can put lipstick on a pig. But it’s still a pig.”

Yeah. She gave McCain a brief spike in the polls. And she certainly attacked and attacked and attacked some more. But she also opened herself up to attacks in return.

Troopergate, Bridge to Nowhere, and other things aside. It became apparent to many potential voters something was amiss.

And then we started to get to know her. The interviews with “Charlie” and Katie Couric gave us clues. Then all of a sudden the warrior had a fence around her in talking to the media.

And there were other things. The Republicans were always the family values party but she had a daughter who was pregnant out of wedlock. It seemed she was for the Ketchikan bridge before it became a national joke. And all this talk about her executive experience. But when it came to really working in the trenches, like a true warrior, wasn’t Obama fighting much much harder?

Palin ain’t Patton. She’s not a killer. She’s tough. I’ll give her that. But if she really wants to prove herself and become a warrior in 2012, she has a lot of work ahead of her. You betcha.

Nov 15, 2008 - 9:43 pm 236. ate mely:

Thank you, Kyle-Anne Shiver.
Sarah Palin lost the VP post but why are these socialist still criticizing her? Sarah Palin is still governor of Alaska but these socialist critics don’t live in Alaska. These socialists are scared and jealous of ‘The Womb’.

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:46 pm 237. DF:

Kyle-Anne,

Once again, you have dodged the question and failed to give any substantial reasons as to why you think Palin should be president? Just put your reasons down here. Instead you have tried to lump me into a group. I, on the other hand have clearly asked “YOU” why you are endorsing Sarah Palin? Why is that such a hard question to answer with valid and specific responses. You might even change my opinion, but we will never know because you are either just spouting rhetoric or are just too scared to put down your real opinion.

Nov 16, 2008 - 4:54 am 238. DF:

Chuck,
I’ve been to your links. At no time to list Palin’s qualifications to be president. Please stop writing that, as it makes no sense now.
Quit side-stepping. Go up to #7 on this post. Then, scroll down and look for my name.
Didn’t you read all the posts b4 you wrote things down?
All you have to do is put down your reasons and I will read them. Be specific, cite actual policies or else the world will know that you either can’t back up your opinions or are too scared.

Put up or shut up.

Nov 16, 2008 - 5:00 am 239. DF:

Kyle-Anne,

It’s not disrepectful to ever ask anyone why the vote the way they do. Are you saying it’s disrespectful when the polling companies do this? You cite a polling company in you article. Doesn’t that mean that you are perpetuating the disrespectful attitude you just decried to me? Do you even think before you put your responses?

You have criticized me based on my education? All I’ve done is ask you to substantiate your claim. You are actually criticizing skepticism and the Socratic method based on the idea that voting should be clandestine and secretive? If people can’t ask you why you think a certain person’s policies and qualifications endear them to the post, then why did you post this article with the arena to respond back? Did you just expect accolades and flowery talk? NO QUESTIONS? That sounds like facism. At no point in this blog do I ask you why do all republicans or Palin supporters choose Sarah Palin. I am asking you. So, once again, will you please answer my question and quit dodging it. I think in a way, you and Chuck are giving me my answer. Both of you have been derailed by the simple question “Why?”

Nov 16, 2008 - 5:14 am 240. DF:

Kyle-anne,

What does Pit-bull in lipstick even mean? That’s the only real support you give? I don’t understand why you would post your choice president and then fail to list criteria? The only real support you give is a make-up wearing canine reference? What does that mean? Are you saying Palin is a dog? Can you atleast give me more metaphors? I’ll try one? She’s B-1 bomber with a wide payload.

Nov 16, 2008 - 5:34 am 241. Donnie Mac Leod:

I can not believe some folks are gullible enough to believe that Palin wouldn’t know that Africa is a Continent. As a Christian Lady who was quite involved in her Church she would have seen hundreds of Smaratain Purse type offerings to the counties in AFRICA. As for the NAFTA agreement the Lady signed the paper work with Canada that is obviously under the Free Trade Act. Being the Governor of Alaska with her hands on approach to the office there is no way she could hold that position without knowing how the North American Free Trade Act would be a portion of her Government. Some folks might create a false impression but bright discerning folks weighing the lie would easily see the fabrication. I feel that people believing the lie about Free Trade & Africa ,do so because they want to believe it so they can vilify Palin.

Nov 16, 2008 - 6:12 am 242. DF:

Chuck,

I feel sorrow for you. You only feel safe, here in your insulated world. Someone has come along with the dangerous question, “Why?” You are so threatened that someone may challenge your opinion you refuse to even list any support to it. Your links do not go to any list of your own authorship that displays your reasons on Palin for President. You do not list any here. Moreover, I have listed reasons and cited sources on this blog(apparently you either can’t or will not read them). All I have done is ask why is she a good candidate, please respond with specific answers that contain her qualities, credentials and policies? You haven’t managed to do that, and your only strategy is to ask me to do the same. In a sense, you have payed me a fine compliment because you have copied my style, so thank you. Feel free to keep using it. I don’t have domain over it. It isn’t even mine, it is the Socratic Method. It obviously is quite effective, you have chosen to adopt it yourself, which means you will search for the truth as well.

Nov 16, 2008 - 6:13 am 243. Donnie Mac Leod:

Your report on Palin’s qualities to GOP is accurate Kyle Anne. That factor was proven by the fact that the polling companies found her to be the candidate that you found her to be. All the hate mongering & vilification by the hate mongering rumor spreading folk can not change the real effect she had in holding substancial number of voters for McCain & the GOP. The democrats should have buried the GOP but they failed to do so because Palin brought the fight to Obama & it was the economic downturn beyond her control which favored Obama. Before the Downturn she actually helped McCain to jump ahead of Obama. That is the Historical fact of Palin’s impact.

Nov 16, 2008 - 6:22 am 244. AnninCA:

Without Palin, McCain would have truly gotten tromped in a landslide. I don’t doubt that one bit. She definitely breathed life into his campaign. She’s got lots to learn, but she also has a huge cache of assets already.

If she works, she’ll be a fabulous national leader.

Nov 16, 2008 - 6:38 am 245. DF:

AnninCA,

What are these,”huge cache of assets” she possesses? What are her policies to the major issues facing our country that would make her, “a fabulous national leader?”

Nov 16, 2008 - 6:55 am 246. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

One last comment before moving on:

Dear DF & others of similar mindsets here,

My own, quite individual, reasons for supporting the candidacy of Sarah Palin were many-sided, as are every voter’s decisions in the voting booth. Let me make clear that I am speaking for no one other than myself.

I understood immediately the “pit bull in lipstick” description that Sarah Palin applied to herself. My husband and I raised our profoundly deaf son athwart formidable odds, and I myself became this type of creature. There are many possible metaphors for this kind of mother: “mother lion fighting for her cubs” is perhaps the most commonly known and understood.

I, personally, was able to relate to the breadth of knowledge and determination and willingness to learn, that I immediately recognized in Governor Palin, even before I read her biography and before I studied her record in the State of Alaska. On this personal recognition level, I gave Sarah Palin the benefit of the doubt when looking into her actual governing accomplishments.

I wrote a number of columns on Sarah Palin; this is simply the last of that series. If you Google my name and Sarah Palin together, I believe you will find all of the articles I’ve written about her (in American Thinker and Pajamas) and I’ve included many of her actual accomplishments in those. I don’t have time to repeat them all here.

But I will say this much. As for my own standard when choosing a candidate to support, I always prefer a candidate who fully understands his/her own human frailty when confronting decisions that will heavily influence the lives of millions of people around the world. Any candidate who lacks basic humility is one I immediately discard.

Sarah Palin has more humility than any of the 4 candidates this year, and in my opinion, would be the most ultimately trustworthy decision maker. She has used this same character trait to the tremendous advantage of Alaskans already.

In less than 2 years as Alaska’s governor, she has finalized a treaty between Alaska and Canada for the completion of a natural gas pipeline that had languished for more than 20 years due to inept and corrupt local government. That in itself — just that one undertaking with a foreign government — is more than any of the other candidates ever accomplished at an executive level.

Alaskans actually own the energy resources under their land. And because of Sarah Palin, every single Alaskan citizen this year received a check for $1,200 to use any way they wish as their own dividend from the use of their lands. Not only that but Sarah Palin has been deemed by energy experts to be the most knowledgeable political figure on energy of any in the Country.

At the same time she was improving Alaska’s energy policy and completing the treaty for the pipeline, she also enacted a windfall profits tax on the oil companies operating there. Now Alaskans share in the excessive profits on their land.

Alaska has had an incredibly corrupt government for decades, all under the control of the Republican Party there. Sarah Palin took them on and several are now in jail, paying for the fact that they used government office to enrich themselves and cheat the people. The first thing Palin did after taking office was enact the most sweeping, and fully bi-partisan, ethics reform legislation ever undertaken in government. She said it was only the beginning, however, and continues to fight fiercely for more.

I simply do not have any more time for this…and if you want to find this information for yourself, it is widely available.

In the end, however, the only thing that ever really counts in a president or vice president, or any other type of elected office, is CHARACTER. Everything else can be hired out. No one can ever predict accurately what events will take place while that person is in office, what forces will change his/her agendas, etc. The only thing that really will count is whether the person is honest, has integrity and believes strongly that he/she is accountable for his/her actions while in office.

Sarah Palin has character in spades. And on that alone, she is more than qualified, in my humble opinion.

My best regards to all,
Kyle-Anne

Nov 16, 2008 - 7:02 am 247. DF:

I said I wouldn’t argue with anything you put down in answer to my question and I will not. I have questions for you answers, but will refrain from asking as I’m sure it will be misconstrued for opposition. Thank you very much for your response.

DF

Nov 16, 2008 - 7:39 am 248. Goethe Girl:

to DF: Sarah Palin had at least the same credentials as John Edwards when he ran as John Kerry’s running mate. Did you think John Edwards unqualified?

Nov 16, 2008 - 7:27 pm 249. dudna:

OK, all of you Sarah saved the day Palinites. I bet you come 2012 or later the Repubs will not have Sarah in or on their mind. Nor if she run for Prez will she win in the primaries. There is no way the male christian dominated Repubs party will have a woman over them. NO WAY!!! Are you people forgetting the Baptist creed? Which run the Repubs party in the south. No way will they have Sarah. So, please let her return to Alaska and live in peace.

Nov 17, 2008 - 8:04 am 250. Paul:

And to Election ‘08, goodbye and goodnight. Thank the Good Lord, it’s finally over.

I totally agree with everything you said, except the statement that “it’s finally over”. Though the election itself is over, the horrific aftermath has only just begun, and the worst of it looming ahead will backwash us for God knows how frighteningly long. I suggest that “God save us!!!!” is significantly more appropriate a statement.

Nov 17, 2008 - 8:47 am 251. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Pat J
RE: She’s Qualified

Umm! She’s qualified. But then, since you raise the question, why don’t you give us some of the reasons she’s not qualified. I can’t think of any. — Pat J

I can’t put a finger on anything that would say she’s unqualified either. She’s certainly BETTER QUALIFIED than Bill Clinton was in 1992.

RE: Not an M

But then. I’m not a MENSA. — Pat J

Don’t sell yourself short. That’s other peoples’ job.

Or maybe you haven’t applied yourself.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Am I getting smart with you? How would you know?]

Nov 17, 2008 - 9:12 am 252. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DF
RE: Heh

I feel sorrow for you. — DF

Don’t weep for me, DF. You’ve got problems enough of your own. And I’ll pray for you about your recognizing and engaging them.

All I have done is ask why is she a good candidate… — DF

I provided you with some args supporting my position. Even provided you with at least one link to those args. But you’re the one who, in your self-described projection of ‘insular little world’ either can’t read or comprehend.

I was obviously prophetic when I used that tag line….

There is nothing to which men will not stoop in order to avoid having to actually think. — @210

You fit the description to perfection.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hatred is the cowards revenge for being intimidated.]

Nov 17, 2008 - 9:18 am 253. nick:

Palin had no Humility – she thought GOD was talking to her and gave direction on all her actions.

Nov 17, 2008 - 12:11 pm 254. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: nick Has No Idea….

Palin had no Humility – she thought GOD was talking to her and gave direction on all her actions. — nick

…what he’s talking about. Most christians, the REAL ones, talk with God and He, when He thinks it’s appropriate, talks back.

If nick wasn’t so freaking ignorant, he might make sense.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You're just jealous because the Voice doesn't talk to you.]

Nov 17, 2008 - 12:15 pm 255. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

Dear dudna:

I had to come back to this and chime in at least once more.

The fact that you evidently believe the Republican Party is dominated by Southern Baptists, gives us an inkling as to where you go for “news.” And the fact that you seem to believe Baptists and other Christians are not accepting of females in positions of authority is just another one of your blind spots.

You are spouting poppycock here. Pure poppycock.

When was the last time you were an integral part of or first-hand observer of Christian communities? I would dare say, if ever, then it must have been as a child, with only a child’s understanding.

Do any of you liberals ever — EVER — even consider what dimwits you seem to those of us who do not inhabit the same leftist-media-created bubble of disinformation that you live in? Some of you never seem to consider the possibility that you have been scammed and brainwashed by those in your leftist-controlled media and educational institutions.

If you have even a smidgen of critical thinking skills, even a smattering of intelligent curiosity, you could read your way out of this self-imposed ignorance.

But it will require effort and a lot of willingness to let go of your false stereotypes. I would love to believe that at least some of you possess this kind of courage, but do understand that coming out of one’s cocoon takes an enormous desire to breathe free.

You may have lost that will. For that I can only feel pity. Genuine pity.

Best,
Kyle-Anne

Nov 17, 2008 - 1:09 pm 256. Donnie Mac Leod:

Goethe Girl?

More obvious is Palin actually has been the chief administrator for a Government . DF started this thread with a rant directly lifted from the rumor mill which was provided to smear Palin. I think some folks are still upset that Palin noted the fact that Obama as a community organizer has never worked at the executive level. Considering how Palin and her staff set out about reforming Alaska it seems she was much more likely to be a step up on the community organizer who has never actually been an executive officer .

Nov 17, 2008 - 1:19 pm 257. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Kyle-Anne Shiver
RE: dudna

The fact that you evidently believe the Republican Party is dominated by Southern Baptists, gives us an inkling as to where you go for “news.” And the fact that you seem to believe Baptists and other Christians are not accepting of females in positions of authority is just another one of your blind spots.

You are spouting poppycock here. Pure poppycock. — Kyle-Anne Shiver

That’s not going to stop dudna or nick or Pat J or DF or any of their ilk. They’ll continue to ‘believe’ that THEY know the truth of this or any other matter that they get into their fool heads. Despite all the logic and reason and facts you can provide.

And just proving them wrong is hardly ever to convince them of anything. Their response will be just to get more angry.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There can be no intelligent discussion with gross prejudice. -- CBPelto]

Nov 17, 2008 - 1:30 pm 258. cedarford:

Chuck(le)
[There can be no intelligent discussion with gross prejudice. — CBPelto

You may also wish to include intelligent discussion is precluded by someone like Pelto who deliberately lies about Palin commanding NORAD missile defense..

Or this Pelto whopper:

I can’t put a finger on anything that would say she’s unqualified either. She’s certainly BETTER QUALIFIED than Bill Clinton was in 1992.

Uh, huh.

1.One is the one that went to 5 colleges in 6 years to get a journalism degree. The other received a BS in Foreign Service at Georgetown’s School of Diplomacy, awarded summa honors, Phi Beta Kappa. Then got a Rhodes Scholarship and a MA in Literature. Then Yale Law. (

2. One was a 6-year mayor of a town of 5,000. Then a governor for 1 1/2 years. The other was a law professor, then State Attorney General, then 6 two-year terms as Governor. 1 1/2 years of executive experience in high office vs. 14 years. The latter was also head of the Governor’s Association and the DNC.

3. One despite low family wealth managed to travel to Canada. Then Ireland and a paid trip to Kuwait, though she later admitted her listed “Ireland foreign visit experience” was a 1-hour stopover and change of flights at Shannon Airport.
The other, despite low family wealth, was a part-time staffer for Sen Fulbright on the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee. Then visited 14 foreign countries as a student, studying abroad for a year. Then traveled to Europe and Asia and hosted foreign delegations, mainly to attract investment in his State.

4. One has an IQ of between 110-120 and field dresses animals. The other has an IQ between 153 and 161, got BJs from skanks, and played saxaphone.

5. One is thought by Fundies to be their Goddess. The other is thought by Fundies to be a horndog full of sin.

Nov 17, 2008 - 2:39 pm 259. cedarford:

In one of their conversations, Nixon mentioned to Clinton that he thought Clinton was smarter based on hearing Clinton didn’t have to study at Yale Law, while Nixon busted his butt in the Library to become #3 at Duke and get “upgraded” from Whittier after not having the money to pursue his Harvard scholarship offer. Clinton confirmed it, said he got it all the 1st time through – but still had to get class notes and speed-read while he was away from school for 4 months managing the McGovern campaign in Texas.

Nixon – “But we still beat your asses…You just went with notes for 4 months???”

Clinton said later that even at 80, Nixon’s mind and memory was superb and that Nixon had a “more disciplined mind” than his own.

Imagine a President Palin phone call to Bill Clinton in 2017. “Mr Clinton, its those guys with the robes agin’, actin’ up, you betcha.” Clinton groggily responds. “Well, which robe kinda guys? You mean the Egyptian revolution going on now, or the Muslims fighting the French in Paris”. Palin: “Well, I know all ’bout the Egyptians because all the plagues and stuff God sent them..it’s all right in this har good book..No, it’s about the Muslims in Paris. I want to talk to them. Do they speak French or Muslim?
Clinton is heard sighing over the phone….then a noise like rustling of cloths..”Well, never mind about that complicated stuff, President Sarah..your aides will have you say the right thing, sign the right paper. What’s important is you relax. Now, tell me what you’re wearing…start with the shoes if any, and work your way up..omit nothing.” Clinton’s voice gets huskier and more Bubba-ish. “You’re not wearing any shoes, are you? Naughty baby. Stockings? Are your legs bare? Is Todd with you? No? Are you lonely right now, baby? I am..”

Nov 17, 2008 - 3:07 pm 260. pete:

…what he’s talking about. Most christians, the REAL ones, talk with God and He, when He thinks it’s appropriate, talks back.

If nick wasn’t so freaking ignorant, he might make sense.

Regards,

God also told bush to invade iraq, resulting in the deaths of women and babies. i’d say they your god is doing a piss poor job on picking americanpoliticians.

Nov 17, 2008 - 3:56 pm 261. nick:

Palin is a frigging Creationist – I rest my case.

That is clear as a bell except for moronic fundies.

Pete use quote mark “” please!

Nov 17, 2008 - 6:25 pm 262. nick:

a bet – Palin doesnt know who Goethe is or what she wrote! -:)

but I bet Palin believes in the subject!

Nov 17, 2008 - 6:26 pm 263. Kyle-Anne Shiver:

To all who spout the wonders of an Ivy League education:

You keep forgetting that from the late 60s onward, the requirements for both entering an Ivy League school and those for graduating have been politically altered for the purposes of social engineering. If you want to understand why those degrees are now, to a very, very significant degree, absolutely meaningless, you really need to read up on how your leftist, affirmative action, social engineering leaders trashed the validity of degrees from institutions of higher learning in this Country.

This is all widely available information. There have been scores of books written about it. The sad thing is that a mere high school graduate of years prior to 1970 is far, far better educated and more knowledgeable on a host of subject matter than a college graduate today, even with an advanced degree.

This is not rocket science, people. You have been had. Scammed. Conned. The stats, test scores and degrees you claim qualify people are now meaningless.

Read a book on Deconstruction theory and you’ll understand all of this better. Until then, at least have enough pride not to show your ignorance publicly.

It’s sad.

Kyle-Anne

Nov 17, 2008 - 6:30 pm 264. Pat J:

God also told bush to invade iraq, resulting in the deaths of women and babies. i’d say they your god is doing a piss poor job on picking americanpoliticians.
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Right on brother. Makes you wonder what was really whispering in his ear.

Nov 17, 2008 - 7:22 pm 265. Pat J:

I can’t put a finger on anything that would say she’s unqualified either. She’s certainly BETTER QUALIFIED than Bill Clinton was in 1992.
———————–
Stop it! You’re killing me! Have you ever thought about stand up? You could be the first MENSA comic.

Nov 17, 2008 - 7:35 pm 266. Bwang:

Chuck, you’re annoying. You’re so uptight. You’re just some rich dude that wants to protect his money, anybody can see that. I like Palin, but who the hell can relate to a guy like you. Also, I don’t hear voices in my head and I have grown alot of something in the corn field, if you know what I mean, and smoked it. If you talkin all that crap where I’m from, you’d get a fist in your mouth, but I’d buy you a beer after.

Nov 18, 2008 - 4:14 am 267. Bwang:

Hey now! I put down I like Palin and some other stuff, how come your left it out! Like, how you said papers and test don’t mean nuthin and how chuckie feels about you sayin’ his MENSA stuff means crap?!

Nov 18, 2008 - 6:02 am 268. Bwang:

I might be some redneck, but I know censoring when I see it!

Nov 18, 2008 - 6:03 am 269. Chuck Pelto:

TO: cedarford
RE: Old Canard, New Attack

You may also wish to include intelligent discussion is precluded by someone like Pelto who deliberately lies about Palin commanding NORAD missile defense.. — cedarford

And one of projection as well.

How have I ‘lied’?

And on what basis do you make that allegation?

How much time have you done working in that venue? Anything like 10 years working at the state-level State Area Command (STARC) in the Western third of the 48 contiguous states?

Let’s see your creds, cedarford.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated....by facts.]

Nov 18, 2008 - 7:51 am 270. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bwang
RE: Heh

….you’re annoying. You’re so uptight. You’re just some rich dude that wants to protect his money, anybody can see that. — Bwang

You come across like you’ve got a belly-full of what you use for a nom des blogs.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. You should start a 12-step program for drug abuse.

P.P.S. Got anything On-Topic? I mean other than worthless ad homs? Or is that drug you describe yourself by having too much of an adverse affect on your ‘intellect’, such as it is…..

Nov 18, 2008 - 7:54 am 271. Chuck Pelto:

TO: pete
RE: God, Bush & Iraq

God also told bush to invade iraq, resulting in the deaths of women and babies. i’d say they your god is doing a piss poor job on picking americanpoliticians. — pete

Got a score card on who killed the most women and children? You know…a body count?

Three guesses as to which side kills them outright, via car-bombs and such.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Look what you [Bush] made me [al Qaeda car bomber] made me do!]

Nov 18, 2008 - 7:56 am 272. Pat J:

Chuck(le)
[Look what you [Bush] made me [al Qaeda car bomber] made me do!]
—————————
Interesting how you mentioned that. Especially considering before the Bush invasion of Iraq, the country had no history of car bombings and Al Quada was not in Iraq.

Nov 18, 2008 - 9:03 am 273. nick:

How about working IN NORAD for 4 years.

Nov 18, 2008 - 10:57 am 274. nlcatter:

anyway the majority has agreed Palin is a Moron.

ciao

Nov 18, 2008 - 12:19 pm 275. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Pat J
RE: Yeah….Right….

the country had no history of car bombings and Al Quada was not in Iraq. — Pat J

Ignorance is obviously your strong suit.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]

Nov 18, 2008 - 1:19 pm 276. Chuck Pelto:

TO: nick
RE: Working There

How about working IN NORAD for 4 years. — nick

I wear ‘green’. And albeit they have SOME green-suiters there, they’re not that common under the mountain.

However, my neighbor (a blue-suiter), a house away from me worked in the mountain as a trajectory analysis officer. When I lived in C’Springs: stationed at Fort Carson.

I could see the parking lot outside the main entrance from my back deck. It was only eight miles away, direct line-of-sight, due West.

What’s your point?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. What was I saying about ’stupid’, a moment ago?

Nov 18, 2008 - 1:23 pm 277. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: The Only ‘Morons’….

anyway the majority has agreed Palin is a Moron. — nlcatter

….around here are the ones doing all the projections about Palin.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Projection, v., Describing in someone else, what they are themselves.]

Nov 18, 2008 - 1:26 pm 278. Many Erudite Neurotics Seeking AttentionPat J:

Palin is surely a moron.

Nov 18, 2008 - 2:12 pm 279. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. The distaff is an even better shot than I, which is saying something interesting. And she’d take severe exception to someone trying to deny her her marital rights…..

Nov 18, 2008 - 2:13 pm 280. Bwang:

You people suck at this site, you all have censored 5 a my comments.

Nov 18, 2008 - 2:47 pm 281. Bwang:

Quit censoring my shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nov 18, 2008 - 2:48 pm 282. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bwang
RE: Fair Warning

You people suck at this site, you all have censored 5 a my comments. — Bwang

Maybe you should reconsider the nature of your ‘comments’. Perhaps you’re treading on ground that is verging on communicating a threat. And PJM would not like to be the venue in which people threaten each other with physical violence.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You can tell when you've hit the target. There are so many secondary explosions.]

Nov 18, 2008 - 3:05 pm 283. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Three Guesses….

…first two don’t count.

What is the political affiliation of ‘Bwang’?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Nov 18, 2008 - 3:09 pm 284. Sarah Palin On Best Political Blogs » Blog Archive » Pajamas Media » A Natural Patton: How Palin Nearly Saved McCain:

[...] Pajamas Media » A Natural Patton: How Palin Nearly Saved McCain Palin’s interview with Katie Couric was a complete fiasco, she looked green, inexperienced and dumb. Isn’t there another scandal with her abuse of republican committee finances to purchase clothes? She accepted the money for the “bridge … [...]

Nov 18, 2008 - 9:23 pm 285. Goethe Girl:

Nick: do YOU know who Goethe is?

Nov 19, 2008 - 2:15 pm 286. LiVon:

Javelina, aka Horace Wells, I am in awe of your righteous putdowns of these wormy conservatives. Your wisdom in concluding the 48% of the electorate that didn’t vote for Obama as bigots is mind boggling. You didn’t even cite any source leading to this conclusion. How refreshing to deal with your liberal mind.

I totally agree with you Palin was not discriminated against in this past election. How could dear old Katie C do any wrong, or for that matter question the objective coverage provided by CNN, NBC, & MSNBC. How dare these conservatives complain!?

Javelina, I will join you as a storm trooper in Obama’s proposed Civilian Security apparatus he so fondly talked about to be on par with the Department of Defense. It would so much fun to ferret out bloggers like Goy who has offended you so much calling you Javelina & providing those informative links to support his or her arguments.

Finally, I will blindly follow you in getting Congress to finally pass the Fairness Doctrine, which will ensure those nasty conservative talk show hosts that spew hate against liberals are stamped out once and for all.

Oh, how heavenly it will be to only hear liberal views discussed in this forum. More power to you Javelina!

Nov 23, 2008 - 8:20 am 287. Palin Saved McCain’s Bacon - He Couldn’t Save His Own Though | Grizzly Groundswell:

[...] not for Palin’s presence, the GOP/conservative/America would be in REAL trouble. Share the [...]

Nov 24, 2008 - 5:48 am 288. rodramjet:

Great time to be. Sarah Palin will need all of us to be at her side…and all the support we can give to her and her family.We all know its going to be fight and have seen how the otherside is going to fight and what weapons they have in there arsenal.Of coarse Sarah is such a monster…bloodthirsty…horrible nightmarish…no mercy …I feel sorry for her aponents. Her enemy though is the guilt,shame,fear,resentment,condemnation,pride,,,this list goes on …but all this is in the hearts of her enemy and they dont own it.They give it all to the monster they see in there path…that is out to destroy them with her judgment. So be afraid on that level…they are very afraid…they will be found out,,and eposed.They need out prayers…not our hatred.you know as well as i there enemy is within themselves and there is that place in there hearts that want to be right within themselves and with us…God dont make garbage and some get confused and lost…but not forever. Show love ,,tolerence,,,wisdom for all,,,without exception.This situaltion can be like a nuclear bomb…civil war…brother against brother…and there are scavengers to take what is left…we know who they are…so who will win in the end if this is all blowsup in our face?
Wisdom should be employed in all out Heart.And i for one am Happy Sarah Palin is the one leading our cause…she was chosen for the mission…and standing up bigger than life for us all.She represents me…and all of us…media attack hurt me very much…they were attacking me and my family and my country,,,and everything that is good when the attacked Sarah and her family.Be wise teachers..share your heart with those brother and sisters…deep inside you know they want the same thing we do.
LOVE ALL YOU GUYS
RODRAMJET,SACRAMENTO,CALIFORNIA

Jul 25, 2009 - 9:28 am

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