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		<title>By: RedneckJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedneckJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very first thing to be done to improve education in this country is to outlaw the teachers&#039; unions in public education. Then, abolish the Dept. of Education. Turning contol of local schools back to the locals is vitally important, not only for the schools, but for the community at large. If the locals are invested in the local school, they will be less likely to accept unions and silly agenda driven classes and subjects. If a teacher, who lives locally, knows that they face community condemnation for silly and unpopular notions, they will be less likely to promote gay marriage, or abortion, or overlook teaching abstinence. No unions, and local control is the proper way to bring education under control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very first thing to be done to improve education in this country is to outlaw the teachers&#8217; unions in public education. Then, abolish the Dept. of Education. Turning contol of local schools back to the locals is vitally important, not only for the schools, but for the community at large. If the locals are invested in the local school, they will be less likely to accept unions and silly agenda driven classes and subjects. If a teacher, who lives locally, knows that they face community condemnation for silly and unpopular notions, they will be less likely to promote gay marriage, or abortion, or overlook teaching abstinence. No unions, and local control is the proper way to bring education under control.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
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		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aureliano:I wouldn&#039;t worry about it too much;liberals have ruined the schools to mthe point where the kids are almost too ignorant to be indoctrinated. But liberals are nothing if not stupid;you can,t make revolution with the illiterate/ignorant,the plutocrats know this, which is why they hire liberals to run/ruin? the school systems. Look at new york city,where the multibillionaire mayor Bloomberg has turned the schools over tomanifest pedagoguical charlatans.Drop out rates exceed 50 percent. Look up Sol Stern&#039;s articles in City Journal, to see the process in action,its a disgrace and a scandal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aureliano:I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it too much;liberals have ruined the schools to mthe point where the kids are almost too ignorant to be indoctrinated. But liberals are nothing if not stupid;you can,t make revolution with the illiterate/ignorant,the plutocrats know this, which is why they hire liberals to run/ruin? the school systems. Look at new york city,where the multibillionaire mayor Bloomberg has turned the schools over tomanifest pedagoguical charlatans.Drop out rates exceed 50 percent. Look up Sol Stern&#8217;s articles in City Journal, to see the process in action,its a disgrace and a scandal.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Pity Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Pity Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aureliano: Great response. Here is one you will probably be able to add to your list as Communism or I mean Socialism, it&#039;s the new plan in California. This year a Bill, SB 1322, from state Sen. Alan Lowenthal, a Democrat elected from the state&#039;s 27th District. This bill would actually allow the promotion of communism in public schools. 

There is a law on the books now that states school property may not be used by anyone intent on overthrowing the government. SB 1322 would delete the requirement that an individual or organization wanting to use the school property is not a Communist action organization or Communist front organization. The bill would also strike the law that a public school or community college employee may be fired if he or she is a member of the Communist Party, and the bill would also strike the law that prohibits a teacher giving instruction in a school or on public school property from teaching communism with the intent to indoctrinate or to inculcate in the mind of any pupil a preference for communism. 
My source was 
www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=58061</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aureliano: Great response. Here is one you will probably be able to add to your list as Communism or I mean Socialism, it&#8217;s the new plan in California. This year a Bill, SB 1322, from state Sen. Alan Lowenthal, a Democrat elected from the state&#8217;s 27th District. This bill would actually allow the promotion of communism in public schools. </p>
<p>There is a law on the books now that states school property may not be used by anyone intent on overthrowing the government. SB 1322 would delete the requirement that an individual or organization wanting to use the school property is not a Communist action organization or Communist front organization. The bill would also strike the law that a public school or community college employee may be fired if he or she is a member of the Communist Party, and the bill would also strike the law that prohibits a teacher giving instruction in a school or on public school property from teaching communism with the intent to indoctrinate or to inculcate in the mind of any pupil a preference for communism.<br />
My source was<br />
<a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=58061" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=58061</a></p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
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		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Close down the schools of education, make sure teachers have a degree in a real field,such as History, Math,a foreign language, and teach reading using a scripted ,explicit phonics,grammar and vocabulary,as shown by cognitive research(visit the national right to read foundation web site NRRF). It won&#039;t happen, because the plutocracy has a vested interested in keeping people semi literate, under educated,and therefore, docile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Close down the schools of education, make sure teachers have a degree in a real field,such as History, Math,a foreign language, and teach reading using a scripted ,explicit phonics,grammar and vocabulary,as shown by cognitive research(visit the national right to read foundation web site NRRF). It won&#8217;t happen, because the plutocracy has a vested interested in keeping people semi literate, under educated,and therefore, docile.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed is Watching &#187; Five Things the Next President Can Do to Advance Education Reform</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed is Watching &#187; Five Things the Next President Can Do to Advance Education Reform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over at Pajamas Media, Greg Forster has a list of five things the next President - whoever it may be - can do to advance education reform: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over at Pajamas Media, Greg Forster has a list of five things the next President &#8211; whoever it may be &#8211; can do to advance education reform: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither a President O or a President McC can undo the fact that we&#039;ve had generations of teachers now who themselves were brought up and &quot;trained&quot; in a declining educational system, their own minds infested by the garbage Aureliano cites.

&quot;Teaching&quot; may seem to many like just passing on that stuff to the captive audience.

Additionally, to the extent that the federal government has infested education  with benchmarks, over emphasis on test scores and artificial &quot;performance&quot; measurements tied to funding, public education in America has shot craps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither a President O or a President McC can undo the fact that we&#8217;ve had generations of teachers now who themselves were brought up and &#8220;trained&#8221; in a declining educational system, their own minds infested by the garbage Aureliano cites.</p>
<p>&#8220;Teaching&#8221; may seem to many like just passing on that stuff to the captive audience.</p>
<p>Additionally, to the extent that the federal government has infested education  with benchmarks, over emphasis on test scores and artificial &#8220;performance&#8221; measurements tied to funding, public education in America has shot craps.</p>
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		<title>By: WR Jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being the rural product of a one room schoolhouse education I tend to think education is a little overrated . Especially by the educators who wish to enshrine themselves as the noble deliverers of the unwashed masses. They develop a distinct air of superiority when discussing education to the point that their views are supreme.
 In fact the sudden rise of reasoned argument against evolution has revealed a very shaky foundation under modern education. The whole fabric of liberal logic and truth is crumbling and  appears to be little more than a house of cards . Of course we need education and understanding  but more importantly we need the TRUTH.
 Bravo Aureliano for a daring and brilliant summary of our modern education system. 
 We may be getting at something here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being the rural product of a one room schoolhouse education I tend to think education is a little overrated . Especially by the educators who wish to enshrine themselves as the noble deliverers of the unwashed masses. They develop a distinct air of superiority when discussing education to the point that their views are supreme.<br />
 In fact the sudden rise of reasoned argument against evolution has revealed a very shaky foundation under modern education. The whole fabric of liberal logic and truth is crumbling and  appears to be little more than a house of cards . Of course we need education and understanding  but more importantly we need the TRUTH.<br />
 Bravo Aureliano for a daring and brilliant summary of our modern education system.<br />
 We may be getting at something here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal experience with public education has led me to the conclusion that more often than not,  a teacher is like most people in any other job;  they want to get paid.  I remember a handful of truly passionate people who took a genuine interest in their kids, and I learned more from those few than the rest of the lot.  My 12th grade English teacher, on the 1st day of class,  informed each of his classes that he didn&#039;t care who passed or failed because he still got his paycheck either way.  His mother taught at the same school, so apparently he came from a long line of &quot;teachers&quot;.  I am only 1 person, and maybe my view is myopic, but I think unions, vouchers, tenure, and the like only make the situation worse.  And more money is not the answer; if a system manages it&#039;s finances badly and creates terrible results, you don&#039;t spend millions more and hope for the best.

Common sense tells me that if left to private enterprise where the best performers are successful,  everyone wins.  This goes for education as well as any other unnecessarily huge bureaucracy created by the government.  We live in a free market society, privatize education completely and watch the quality of education sky rocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal experience with public education has led me to the conclusion that more often than not,  a teacher is like most people in any other job;  they want to get paid.  I remember a handful of truly passionate people who took a genuine interest in their kids, and I learned more from those few than the rest of the lot.  My 12th grade English teacher, on the 1st day of class,  informed each of his classes that he didn&#8217;t care who passed or failed because he still got his paycheck either way.  His mother taught at the same school, so apparently he came from a long line of &#8220;teachers&#8221;.  I am only 1 person, and maybe my view is myopic, but I think unions, vouchers, tenure, and the like only make the situation worse.  And more money is not the answer; if a system manages it&#8217;s finances badly and creates terrible results, you don&#8217;t spend millions more and hope for the best.</p>
<p>Common sense tells me that if left to private enterprise where the best performers are successful,  everyone wins.  This goes for education as well as any other unnecessarily huge bureaucracy created by the government.  We live in a free market society, privatize education completely and watch the quality of education sky rocket.</p>
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		<title>By: uburoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>uburoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that what Sandra is trying to say, though a bit obliquely, is that as long as we continue to buy into the way the educational system has been structured over the past 100 years, we will continue to undermine our earnest and commendable longing to educate our children. The models we are using can be greatly improved upon, and the REAL challenge to thoughtful Americans isn&#039;t to fix the public schools, but to improvise and innovate, setting up our own models of educational excellence and finding better ways to take advantage of the simply mind-boggling amount of knowledge and wisdom that is all around us if we&#039;d only open our eyes and see it. At no other time in the history of the world has so much been available to the ordinary fellow and at no other time has it been treated with such disinterest.

Oddly, I think the best models are already there, in our past, in the old English and Italian models of the university, the ones we dumped for credentialism and myopic specialization. If you want to know what that model sounds like, go watch Kenneth Clark&#039;s &quot;Civilization&quot; or read Jacques Barzun&#039;s &quot;From Dawn to Decadence,&quot; you won&#039;t be disappointed.
 
It is entirely possibly to engender a profoundly thoughtful young man or women on a shoestring budget, and with virtually no gadgets or audio-visual toys--or any of the other things the educrats and their unions claim are part-and-parcel of the modern classroom. 

Old textbooks? Good, introductory Algebra hasn&#039;t changed much in a very long time, the older the better, you can get them cheap and they are probably, no certainly, superior to any of the post-modern crap churned out by the textbook companies. Same goes for most history and literature books, with a few exceptions, you&#039;re much better of with something closer to 1900, than to 2000. Almost all of the fundamentals were covered a long time ago, and what is new can be gleaned from good magazines and single books. Oh, and always, always choose books written by a single author over a textbook; &quot;textbooks&quot; are, by-and-large, crap, a hodge-podge of poorly written, ludicrously overpriced, phony consensus on a subject. Individual authors often have verve and vision, style and argument, a clear and purposeful point of view; textbook bore young minds to distraction and enrich the worst aspects of the education racket. Get a library card and use it; the world of ideas is a few blocks away and will remain an old friend for the rest of the child&#039;s life. One of my great &quot;shivers-down-the-spine&quot; moments was walking into the main branch of the New York Public Library.

I have many highly educated friends and family, but the one friend who really stand out works as a waiter, half the year, in Napa valley, and spend the rest of the year traveling. He reads for the love of ideas, for the sheer joy of better understanding what he considers to be a miraculous universe. He knowledge of everything from Italian Opera (he is a regular at all the great opera houses) to the flora and fauna or northern Alaska (he is an avid outdoorsman and conservationist, living for months at a time in remote deserts and forests), to the history of ancient Jerusalem and Greece, is both compelling and invigorating. He is one of the few men, who, when all incentive is taken out of it, and all compulsion is removed, will read Tolstoy or Stendahl for the nothing more than the personal delight of being in the intimate presence of a fine mind. This humble waiter is a man in full, a civilized man, an educated man with whom older children would undoubtably blossom and flourish. He applied at one of the teacher programs here in Los Angeles; I warned him what he would endure. He lasted one week. He is headed for the French wine country to spend the autumn reading Balzac and Rabelais in the original, you lost LAUSD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that what Sandra is trying to say, though a bit obliquely, is that as long as we continue to buy into the way the educational system has been structured over the past 100 years, we will continue to undermine our earnest and commendable longing to educate our children. The models we are using can be greatly improved upon, and the REAL challenge to thoughtful Americans isn&#8217;t to fix the public schools, but to improvise and innovate, setting up our own models of educational excellence and finding better ways to take advantage of the simply mind-boggling amount of knowledge and wisdom that is all around us if we&#8217;d only open our eyes and see it. At no other time in the history of the world has so much been available to the ordinary fellow and at no other time has it been treated with such disinterest.</p>
<p>Oddly, I think the best models are already there, in our past, in the old English and Italian models of the university, the ones we dumped for credentialism and myopic specialization. If you want to know what that model sounds like, go watch Kenneth Clark&#8217;s &#8220;Civilization&#8221; or read Jacques Barzun&#8217;s &#8220;From Dawn to Decadence,&#8221; you won&#8217;t be disappointed.</p>
<p>It is entirely possibly to engender a profoundly thoughtful young man or women on a shoestring budget, and with virtually no gadgets or audio-visual toys&#8211;or any of the other things the educrats and their unions claim are part-and-parcel of the modern classroom. </p>
<p>Old textbooks? Good, introductory Algebra hasn&#8217;t changed much in a very long time, the older the better, you can get them cheap and they are probably, no certainly, superior to any of the post-modern crap churned out by the textbook companies. Same goes for most history and literature books, with a few exceptions, you&#8217;re much better of with something closer to 1900, than to 2000. Almost all of the fundamentals were covered a long time ago, and what is new can be gleaned from good magazines and single books. Oh, and always, always choose books written by a single author over a textbook; &#8220;textbooks&#8221; are, by-and-large, crap, a hodge-podge of poorly written, ludicrously overpriced, phony consensus on a subject. Individual authors often have verve and vision, style and argument, a clear and purposeful point of view; textbook bore young minds to distraction and enrich the worst aspects of the education racket. Get a library card and use it; the world of ideas is a few blocks away and will remain an old friend for the rest of the child&#8217;s life. One of my great &#8220;shivers-down-the-spine&#8221; moments was walking into the main branch of the New York Public Library.</p>
<p>I have many highly educated friends and family, but the one friend who really stand out works as a waiter, half the year, in Napa valley, and spend the rest of the year traveling. He reads for the love of ideas, for the sheer joy of better understanding what he considers to be a miraculous universe. He knowledge of everything from Italian Opera (he is a regular at all the great opera houses) to the flora and fauna or northern Alaska (he is an avid outdoorsman and conservationist, living for months at a time in remote deserts and forests), to the history of ancient Jerusalem and Greece, is both compelling and invigorating. He is one of the few men, who, when all incentive is taken out of it, and all compulsion is removed, will read Tolstoy or Stendahl for the nothing more than the personal delight of being in the intimate presence of a fine mind. This humble waiter is a man in full, a civilized man, an educated man with whom older children would undoubtably blossom and flourish. He applied at one of the teacher programs here in Los Angeles; I warned him what he would endure. He lasted one week. He is headed for the French wine country to spend the autumn reading Balzac and Rabelais in the original, you lost LAUSD.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VOUCHERS-VOUCHERS-VOUCHERS-VOUCHERS-VOUCHERS

THE TEACHERS? UNION HAS ONLY BROUGHT ABOUT MORE MEDIOCRITY TO THIS COUNTRY AS IN FORD-GMC AND ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOCIALISM START REWARDING THE TEACHERS FOR WHAT ACHIEVE NOT FOR WHAT THEY DONT ACHIEVE.

UNIONISM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE WORST WORKER..</description>
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<p>THE TEACHERS? UNION HAS ONLY BROUGHT ABOUT MORE MEDIOCRITY TO THIS COUNTRY AS IN FORD-GMC AND ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOCIALISM START REWARDING THE TEACHERS FOR WHAT ACHIEVE NOT FOR WHAT THEY DONT ACHIEVE.</p>
<p>UNIONISM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE WORST WORKER..</p>
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