Abortion? Gay Marriage? So Much for ‘Values Voters’

The candidates' silence on supposedly hot-button social issues is resounding.

August 15, 2008 - by Jennifer Rubin
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In recent presidential elections hot-button social issues like abortion and marriage played a prominent role. In 2000 the candidates hotly debated the impact of the next president’s Supreme Court picks on abortion rights as pro-choice activists attempted to galvanize voters with the prospect that George W. Bush’s election would result in limits on or even outlawing of abortion. In 2004 an Ohio state referendum on gay marriage helped turn out religious conservatives who may have put George W. Bush over the top in the decisive state. After the 2004 election, pundits and activists debated the role of “values” voters and Democrats committed to reaching out to these voters in the future.

But this year, the most remarkable thing about the two most prominent social issues –abortion and gay marriage– is how little we have heard about them.

Candidates have made the briefest of forays into these issues. When a California Supreme Court ruling prompted an initiative to ban gay marriage, each candidate weighed in and then quickly moved on. Barack Obama departed from his previous opposition to gay marriage, criticized the initiative, and forcefully criticized proponents as “divisive.” John McCain took the opportunity to weigh in against judicial activism and gave perfunctory support for the right of voters to decide these issues. And that was it.

On abortion, Obama momentarily tried to moderate his very emphatic pro-choice record –including opposition to a Supreme Court ruling upholding the partial birth abortion ban– by telling a conservative Christian publication that the “mental distress” of the woman shouldn’t justify late-term abortions. That set off a brief kerfuffle since it appeared to undercut the basis of Roe v. Wade. Obama tried to “clarify” and never mentioned it again. Abortion activists may quietly grumble that Obama has relegated discussion of abortion rights to the sidelines, but he shows no inclination to move it front and center.

This newfound aversion to discussing social issues is not surprising when one considers that both presidential candidates have much to lose and perhaps little to gain by wading into these issues. Some social conservatives criticize McCain for failing to talk about these issues, but to do so might further diminish his chances of capturing disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. In any event, religious conservatives seem to have made peace with McCain, given the alternative. Therefore, for McCain the less said, the better.

And as seen with his brief bout with abortion politics, the more Obama dwells on the topic the less likely he is to woo religious conservatives and the more nervous pro-choice groups may become. (Rather than revisit knotty policy issues Obama is now contemplating more atmospheric steps to reach out to pro-life voters such as inviting Senator Bob Casey (D-PA), a pro-life Catholic and son of Governor Robert P. Casey Sr., who was banned from speaking at the 1992 convention because of his pro-life views.)

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Jennifer Rubin is PJM's Washington, DC, editor. She also blogs at Commentary’s Contentions.

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26 Comments

1. Amphipolis:

They may be silent, but they are still potent. Questions about Romney’s flip on abortion probably cost him the nomination.

The silence is a result of the realization that people’s minds are unlikely to be changed on these subjects, so debating them will not help a candidate.

Just watch the reaction to the VP picks.

Aug 15, 2008 - 7:30 am 2. Lisa:

Women’s issues are just bait the DNC uses to lure women. They aren’t serious about it and never were. If they were serious about it, they would have said something about the sexism of the media and Obama’s campaign.

Aug 15, 2008 - 7:44 am 3. Mike Shuster:

I think values issues tend to recede in times of crisis (economic downturn / wars / terror threat, etc.)

Aug 15, 2008 - 8:57 am 4. pch1013:

“for McCain the less said, the better”

Oh really? Just this past Wednesday, he essentially ruled out Bloomberg as a running mate because of, among other things, his “pro-gay rights” position. The message is that pro-choice is OK, but “pro-gay” — not so much.

Aug 15, 2008 - 10:04 am 5. clue:

Perhaps if we were voting for dictator these considerations would matter more. But the truth is–and, being optimistic, maybe the electorate is starting to realize this–the President does not have the ability to enact law on either of these. He can direct departments, but their regulations must fall within the law. He can appoint judges, but is constrained by the legislative branch (to varying degrees).

Even more optimistically, perhaps the electorate does not feel that these issues are among the most important when deciding whom to vote for. If so, they are correct.

Aug 15, 2008 - 11:46 am 6. Kabookey:

Saint O is talking out of both sides of his pie hole. Anyone that could vote killing of babies that somehow survive an abortion is unfit for the position of even janitor. The man is lower then snake crap.

Aug 15, 2008 - 2:29 pm 7. Paul:

Kabookey hit it on the head. Obama is for infantcide, McCain has a strong pro-life record.

If McCain would pick a strong conservative like Gov Sarah Palin for VP, he’d win.

McCain/Palin 08!
Join us!

Aug 15, 2008 - 4:06 pm 8. S321:

Like most juvenile thinking, the seven year campaign for the Presidency by the clintons and obama is showing the country how empty and cowardly the democrat Party and their candidates are. Constant lies about their opponents. Blame President Bush for everything that is bad, and take credit for everything good. Very juvenile behavior. And when the democrat Party takes pains to makes sure that people who think that way vote (some more than one time), what you have is a juvenile, unintelligent electorate putting people in office that have not business being there. Case in point hilliary in NY, Pelosi in CA, Reid in NV. All three have shown they can tell lies straight faced, blame everyone else for the results of their policies and expect to get all the benefits. Typical unintelligent, simpering, juvenile behavior that unfortunately is the vast majority of the dem’s voter groups…

Aug 15, 2008 - 6:40 pm 9. Rachel Peepers:

I hate to say it, but as an ardent Obama supporter, I have to admit that I’m starting to feel some doubt creep into my strong, sometimes bellicose desire to see the good Senator elected President.

It’s not even the fact, as my father says, he’ll send capital gains taxes, even taxes on private home sales through the roof. Or that he’s pledged to decimate the armed forces and surrender in Iraq as the way to refill the national Bush-drained coffers. Not to mention scrap the nuclear defense shield just when it becoming operational.

I’m not going south on Barack because of the fact that his religious adviser and mentor, the Reverend Wright, Sunday after Sunday, berated the United States, while spewing anti-white, anti-female, anti-Hillary rhetoric like a venomous machine gun mowing down the enemy.

And it doesn’t really bug me that he’s stonewalling the investigation into his admittedly Islamic religious upbringing. Or that, as the above article by the gifted and talented Jennifer Rubin so eloquently states, Barack is treating gay marriage and the abortion issue like they’re the new third rails of politics.

Or that his campaign is reported to be in the initial stages of enacting into law a comprehensive program to give “sizable” reparations to direct descendants ( or those willing to sign an affidavit that they’re of African descent)of slaves.

No, none of these issues are the lynch pin that holds my loyalty to Barack and the beautiful Michelle.

The truth be known, I have a problem with his VP pick. Frankly, I wanted him to pick Hillary for. Hillary, who’s intelligent, experienced and knowledgeable beyond belief. Hillary who received more popular vote than Barack, and has pledged her support for middle America blue collar values, a strong economy, and especially, women’s rights.

Instead, Barack is picking John Kerry who apparently lied when running for President like a drunker sailor. Who never spent (”seared into me like a branding iron”) Christmas in Cambodia, never threw his medals over onto the White House lawn as he publicly stated, never was sorry for causing POW’s to be beaten as a result of his claims before congress that the U.S. military was “cutting off heads, butchering children, raping the Vietnamese countryside and torturing innocent civilians.”

John Kerry’s VP selection is why my support for the, Democratic-primary-voter-anointed Barack Obama and beautiful first lady, Michelle, is ever so slowly starting to waver; like a stale cookie, beginning to crumble, like a –oh forget the metaphors, Barack is starting to make me feel queasy. I mean, I can no longer say with 99% certainty that Barack’s candidacy passes the smell test.

Let’s face it, you and I both know his conversion to Christianity was a Chicago political charade. The guy disavowed his Indonesian Muslim upbringing, called the woman who raised him a “typical” white woman, said he could no more disavow his relationship with Reverend Wright than he could disavow his cultural and religious upbringing; the both of which he later did.

I’m rambling now, I know, but look, he sat in church at Trinity for twenty years listening to Wright’s hate-America-First speech. Then said he didn’t remember hearing it, then said he did. Then said Reverend Wright “wasn’t the man I knew.”

Well, I’m thinking Barack Obama isn’t the man that we, rabid Obama supporters, thought all summer was the one right for the biggest job in the world.

I’m starting to think the only kind of change Barack can be counted on to deliver on is the one involving his mind.

I’m starting to believe that the man we fawned and fainted over during breathtaking speeches was in the final result a product of smoke and mirrors.

If you ask me, Barack Obama is on a collision course with a veritable freight train whose cars are filled with duty, honor and country.

John McCain.

A true American hero. And when they collide in November, I’m afraid Barack’s election hopes are going to be knocked silly. Americans everywhere are going to rise up and wise up. And realize for darn sure that Barack Obama is, was and always will be, as they say in the fight game in Chitown, just another wannabe; simply a little man with big designs who folks finally saw for what he is.

Just another bum from the neighborhood.

Aug 15, 2008 - 9:44 pm 10. ProgMeister:

what’s the deal, Rachel? Are you the plant designed to attract younger voters? I’m thinkin’ that “college girl” ploy of yours may be just ever so slightly over there in the bullshit column … wanna fess up?

Aug 15, 2008 - 10:28 pm 11. NB:

Rachel, if you are indeed a democrat, take a closer look at McCain. he’s a far better candidate for your party. I only wish there was a conservative running this year. As for why there’s been little said about social issues…I think the biggest reason is that social issues require one to take a stand and politicians know all to well that taking a stand on anything might offend someone. In today’s p.c. world we just can’t have that so what we get are two main party candidates who are wishy-washy pansy a**es unwilling to stand on their own beliefs. McCain’s past aside (definitely a hero, no doubt) neither one has the stones to make the decisions this country needs made.

Aug 16, 2008 - 12:29 am 12. chicago:

Obama’s Blind Spot on Race and Character
By Frances Rice

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”
- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

In his Philadelphia speech on race, Senator Barack Obama justified his 20-year relationship with his anti-American pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, by castigating as racist a host of people, including his own white grandmother who he later lambasted as a “typical white” racist. Conspicuously omitted from Obama’s culpability list is the architect of modern day racism—the Democratic Party.

Obama’s failure to even mention the Democratic Party’s racist past, while confessing that he lied about when he first heard Rev. Wright’s hateful rants, calls into question Obama’s character and judgment. The shocking words of Rev. Wright can be heard by viewing the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw&feature=related. Without flinching, Rev. Wright damned his own country, declaring that innocent Americans deserved to be killed by Islamic terrorists on September 11, 2001.

Since Obama refuses to end his ties to Rev. Wright and has put forth a false face as a presidential candidate, we need to look behind the mask and examine his past to see the real Barack Obama.

Obama’s Slave-owning Relatives

Notably, in his speech, Obama mentioned the slavery history of the family of his wife, Michelle. He failed to say one word about the unsavory slave-owning past of his own white relatives. Historical records uncovered by researchers and posted on the Internet at: http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htmshow that Obama’s maternal forbearers were slaveholders. In fact, one of Obama’s ancestors, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves as is recorded in the Nelson County, Kentucky 1850 Census. The same records show that another one of Obama’s ancestors, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves. All of Obama’s slave-owning forbearers were Democrats.

Obama, following in the footsteps of his white ancestors, is also part of the Democratic Party that: (1) fought to keep blacks in slavery; (2) started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize Republicans—black and white; (3) passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws; (4) fought every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860’s to the 1960’s; and (5) attacked Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and other civil rights protesters with skin-burning fire hoses and vicious dogs.

While hiding the racist past of the Democratic Party, Obama refuses to give credit to the Republican Party that: (1) started in 1854 as the anti-slavery party and fought to free blacks from slavery; (2) amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote; (3) started the NAACP to stop the Democrats from lynching blacks; (4) passed the civil rights laws of the 1860’s that were overturned by the Democrats when they took over Congress in 1892; (5) founded the HBCUs; (6) started affirmative action enforcement in 1969 to help blacks get jobs and contracts based on merit; and (7) fought the Democrats for over six decades until Republicans finally achieved passage of the civil rights laws of the 1950’s and 1960’s under the leadership of Republican Senator Everett Dirksen of Illinois.

It defies logic for Democrats to claim that, after Republicans spent over 100 years fighting the Democrats on behalf of blacks and finally won, all the racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party. In fact, those racist Democrats declared that that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. Facts about the racist past of the Democratic Party can be found in such books as A Short History of Reconstruction by Dr. Eric Foner, Unfounded Loyalty by Rev. Wayne Perryman, Bamboozled by Angela McGlowan, and Wrong on Race by Bruce Bartlett.

Exposed in these books are the facts that the chief opponents of the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act were Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan. Democrat President Lyndon Johnson is applauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, in his 4,500-word State of the Union Address delivered on January 4, 1965, Johnson mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but only thirty five words were devoted to civil rights. He did not mention one word about voting rights.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a civil rights advocate. In reality, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. After he became president, John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.

In an effort to shift the racist past of the Democratic Party to the Republican Party, Democrats point a finger at Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called “Southern Strategy.” These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats; yet unfairly deride Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party that began in the 1970’s. Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” was an effort on his part to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and some Southern states are still controlled by Democrats, including Louisiana until the 2007 election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color.

Democrats also castigate Senator Trent Lott for his remarks about Senator Strom Thurmond in a blatant attempt to unfairly paint the Republican Party as a racist party. Where was the outrage when Democrat Senator Christopher Dodd praised former Ku Klux Klanner Democrat Senator Robert Byrd as someone who would have been “a great senator for any moment,” including the Civil War. Notably, Senator Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and, after he became a Republican, defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. If Senator Byrd and Senator Thurmond were alive during the Civil War, and Byrd had his way, Thurmond would have been lynched.

Obama’s Muslim Connections

While not denying the basic facts about his Muslim connections, Obama and his defenders parse words, Clintonesque style, in a blatant attempt to discredit anyone who raises the issue. It’s important to scrutinize Obama’s Muslim background to determine if his Islamic past influences his decisions and actions toward America, including his decision to select an anti-American pastor as his spiritual advisor.

Obama readily exhibits his disdain for our country by refusing to wear an American flag lapel pin, and the video showing him making this anti-American declaration can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA&feature=related. Obama was also photographed with his back turned to our flag and his hands clasped defiantly in front of him during the saying of the pledge of allegiance, and that video can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtsJufVs5Y&feature=related. Now that his relationship with Rev. Wright has been exposed, Obama is trying to deceive the public by giving speeches with American flags being used as props in the background.

To more fully understand the extent of Obama’s Muslim experiences and how this connection influences his attitude about America, we need to examine some basic, undisputed facts.

Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, and his full name is Barack Hussein Obama. He is named after his father who was born on the shores of Lake Victoria in Alego, Kenya. Obama’s father was raised as a Muslim and married a white American woman, Anna Dunham of Wichita, Kansas while both were students at the University of Hawaii. Obama’s parents divorced when he was two years old, and when he was six years old, his mother married an Indonesian oil company executive named Lolo Soetoro, who was also a Muslim and who introduced Obama to Islam.

The family moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country, where they lived for five years from1968 through 1973. Obama first attended a Catholic school for three years. In that school’s documents, Obama is listed under the name Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen, and his religion is listed as Islam. Later, Obama attended a Muslim school where he received Islamic religious training before he was sent back to America to live with his maternal grandmother while his mother and his half-sister, Maya, stayed in Indonesia.

Obama’s half brothers and sisters in Nairobi, Kenya are Muslims. His step-grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, is a lifelong Muslim who said: “I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith.” In an April 30, 2007 New York Times interview, Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng who now lives in Hawaii, said: “My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.”

Obama, while describing his 1992 wedding, admitted that he was proud of his brother, Roy, who chose Islam over Christianity. “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

If Obama were not a Muslim from the time his religion was recorded in Indonesia as Islam until he “converted” to Christianity, then what was he for 27 years? We, as citizens, have a right to know this information about the man who wants to be our next president.

Obama’s Legislative Actions

Considering Obama’s Islamic connections, it is not surprising that he introduced a bill in Illinois called “Islamic Community Day” which proclaimed that November 1, 1997 would be the South Shore Islamic Community Center Day.

Obama’s other legislative actions in Illinois demonstrate that he is a liberal Democrat who puts left-wing ideology before the best interest of the people.

Incredibly, Obama opposed four times the Born Alive Infant Protection Act that would have prohibited a baby that was born alive from being left to die, simply because the mother said she wanted the baby to die. He also sided with the Democratic Party’s radical pro-abortion special interest group by opposing a bill that defines as a “person” a fully born baby who survives an abortion.

Obama was the only member of the Illinois Senate who voted against a bill that prohibited the early release of sexual predators. He also refused to vote for a bill that would have increased penalties for drug traffickers. Obama voted against a bill that made it a criminal offense for convicts to have contact with a street gang while out of jail on bail or on probation. He even voted against a bill that would have delivered the death penalty to gang members who murder first responders. Obama sent a shock wave throughout the state of Illinois when he voted to make a criminal out of a homeowner who was forced to use a gun to defend himself in his own home.

As a US senator, Obama voted against the minimum wage bill. Now, Obama is on the presidential campaign trail promising to increase the minimum wage. What a hypocrite.

Obama and Black Poverty

Obama, in his Philadelphia speech, loudly denounced the deplorable conditions in black communities. Yet, he said not one word about the fact that those communities have been run by Democrats for the past 40 years. The socialist policies of the Democrats have fostered a culture of dependency on government handouts and turned those communities into economic and social wastelands. Obama also rails against the failure to educate black children. However, he gives a pass to teachers’ union special interest groups that are responsible for black children not being educated. Those groups are aligned with the Democratic Party and are against school choice opportunity scholarships that would help black parents get their children out of failing schools. Liberal teachers act against the best interest of black children because they want to keep control of the buildings, and thus the money, but the money belongs to the people, not the buildings.

The root cause of the grinding poverty in black communities that is ignored by Obama is well documented by black Democrat Juan Williams in his book entitled Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America.

Comments by Juan Williams about how Obama, a rich, half-white Harvard educated man, is using the black community for partisan political gain can be seen at: http://election.newsmax.com/williams_obama/?s=al&promo_code=4780-1

The sad truth is that Obama is one of those phony, socialist Democrats who wants to push on the rest of America the failed socialist policies that have devastated black communities.

Obama and Corruption

Just coming to light are the sleazy facts about Obama’s relationship and shady real estate deal with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, the Arab-American fundraiser and immigrant from Syria. Rezko has been a friend of Obama’s since his days at Harvard, and Rezko was recently indicted for corruption, found guilty and sent to prison.

The details of the Obama-Rezko deal are astonishing and involve the purchase of Obama’s Edwardian-style mansion in Kenwood, an up-scale section of Chicago where Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan also lives. When Obama sought to buy the grand house, the former owner refused to sell unless Obama also agreed to buy the adjoining land which Obama apparently could not afford. Obama’s friend, Rezko, came to the rescue and bought the adjoining land for $625,000, even though the property could not be accessed from the public street. This cleared the way for Obama to buy the mansion for $1,650,000, about $300,000 less than the asking price. Then, six months later, Obama bought one-sixth of Rezko’s property for $104,500. All of these financial dealings raise questions about whether Rezko subsidized the purchase of Obama’s mansion in violation of ethical rules.

Also, campaign contribution records show that Rezko made substantial contributions to Obama’s 2000 campaign for Congress. A recent report in a British newspaper, The Times, shows that in May 2005, Rezko was loaned $3.5 million by Fintrade Services, a Panamanian company controlled by Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born British billionaire. This is the undeclared loan that landed Obama’s friend and bagman, Rezko, in jail.

We ignore the stench of corruption that surrounds Obama at our peril.

As citizens, we must ask ourselves whether Obama has the character and judgment to be our president. Unfortunately, the answer is no.

Frances Rice, a lawyer and retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, is the chairman of the National Black Republican Association and can be contacted at: http://www.NBRA.info

Aug 16, 2008 - 1:22 am 13. pappy:

rachael: i love it when you talk like that, keep it up. perhaps daddy spent his money wisely afterall.

Aug 16, 2008 - 8:45 am 14. shocked!:

Rachel;
“Hillary for V.P” because she’ll push for more womens rights. Get off it you selfish creep. The divorce courts, radical feminist education system, a feminist biased msm & on & on & on…. What more do you want? Your a self loathing unsastified with all your priviliges hypocrite.

Aug 16, 2008 - 9:01 am 15. tanstaafl:

But this year, the most remarkable thing about the two most prominent social issues –abortion and gay marriage– is how little we have heard about them.

Barack Obama’s voting record on abortion, in both the Illinois and US Senate, is obvious.

A month or so ago, he fudged around and dissembled on late term abortion and indicated his (new found ?) belief that mental stability of the soon-to-be mother should not be in play.

(his reconstituted position seemed like another offering to the “right” for purposes of vote getting)

In obeisance to the base, The Left, Obama has made the perfectly asinine statement that he didn’t want his young daughters to be “punished with a baby”. Which was one of the dumbest remarks a walking and talking human being might utter, and there have been some doozies.

John McCain is on record as “pro life”.

What else do we need to know ?

Frankly, I don’t believe the subjects of “abortion” and “gay marriage” even belong in the national dialogue. Each topic (and so many others) bear no relationship to the duties and powers of the Executive assigned in the Constitution.

If a voter chooses a candidate on the basis of what flavor of judge he/she would appoint to the Supreme Court, it’s something of a crapshoot, although not entirely. (I think one or more of the current crop of “liberal” tending SC judges were Reagan appointees.)

My guess is that John McCain would appoint less liberal judges than Barack Obama, but it’s only a guess (and will remain so).

Aug 16, 2008 - 9:10 am 16. harmonicminer » Signals, hopefully not smoke, on judges and other matters:

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Aug 16, 2008 - 9:21 am 17. Rachel Peepers:

ProgM: My main target isn’t the young vote. It’s the swing vote. 19 year old, blue-eyed bombastic Rachel liked your insightful message.

Pappy: I had two slow gin fizzes last night, and when I came back to my dorm, I started writing about my Kaskian metamorphysis and can’t remember what I said, haven’t read it, but I’m Pappy liked it. You’re a honey.

Shocked: I can’t help it that my Dad’s a doctor. Plus, I worked every summer since 8th grade. Maybe the media is a tiny been woman’s right’s-ie, but you hurt my feelings by calling me a hypocrite. You made my headache worse. Let me rethink my stance on Hillary and get back to you.

NB: Everything you say goes double for me.

Aug 16, 2008 - 10:01 am 18. Beverly:

Obama is an EVIL, HEARTLESS MAN !!!!

He supports the late-term procedure known as partial-birth abortion, where the baby’s skull is stabbed with scissors in the birth canal and the brains are sucked out to end its life swiftly and ease passage of the corpse into the pan.

Obama helped BLOCK a bill that was designed solely to protect the life of infants already born, and outside the womb, who had miraculously survived the attempt to kill them during an abortion. Thrice, Obama voted to let doctors and nurses allow these tiny human beings die of neglect and be tossed out with the medical waste.

How can a man who purports to be a Christian justify this?

If, as its advocates contend, abortion has to remain legal to protect the life and health, mental and physical, of the mother, how is a mother’s life or health in the least threatened by a baby no longer inside her — but lying on a table or in a pan fighting for life and breath?

How is it essential for the “life or health of a woman” that her baby, who somehow survived the horrible ordeal of abortion, be left to die or put to death? Yet, that is what OBAMA VOTED FOR, THREE TIMES, in the Illinois Senate!

Pro choice? BULLS*#% Call it what it really IS! SELECTIVE MURDER!

Aug 17, 2008 - 7:02 pm 19. Mike:

Beverly:

Amen.

Aug 18, 2008 - 7:51 am 20. shocked!:

Beverly:
Selective murder? Absolutely it is.

Aug 18, 2008 - 8:37 am 21. shocked!:

Beverly; pro choice selective murders? Absolutely it is.

Aug 18, 2008 - 10:46 am 22. freight:

I wouldn’t trust Obama with unborn babies. I trust Hillary even less. Obama may have voted for partial-birth abortions, Hillary is a large reason why such an inhumane practice was placed before a senate vote to legalize. Infact, Hillary is a large proponent of all abortion laws past through the legislation since the beginning. A trail of blood she leaves behind, along with many other atrocities. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Neither are worthy to be in politics, let alone take part in the Oval office.

Aug 18, 2008 - 3:50 pm 23. Daniel:

Spencer Tracy’s “Inheret the Wind” summarized the problem with religion in society the best. Ignorant people are predisposed to believe in it.

Aug 21, 2008 - 5:41 pm 24. Bob:

This country is headed to hell in a hand-basket and neither of these candidates will change that.

I will vote for McCain, if only to make the negroes riot.

But then again I may vote for Obama so he can turn us into Zimbabwe.

Aug 21, 2008 - 6:35 pm 25. Daniel:

I never quite understood that metaphor Bob… but I suspect your pessimistic view is due to a religious bias, or just your clouded judgmental prejudice. Either way, you still have time to think about changing that hopeless direction by following along on the wave of the youth. Another thing, it has always bothered me when older generations are concerned with protecting the future of their youth, when they are the ones who go to the polls and ruin everything. STAY OUT OF IT, AND LET THE YOUTH DTERMINE THEIR OWN FUTURE!

Aug 21, 2008 - 7:42 pm 26. Paul in Miami:

Republicans say Obama’s a child killer because he supports abortion. What’s the difference? The warmongers just kill them much later in life in their ungodly wars?
Leave %$#%$@# religion out of my life. Want some?, go to your church, don’t try to cram the crap down my throat! I won’t push religion on them but, these conservative evangelical bozos just want to push their crap on everyone else whether they want to or not. Tyranny of religion just like the Taliban and Al-Queda. No difference at all.

Aug 22, 2008 - 3:30 am

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