Al Qaeda Supporting McCain? No, Not Really
The media embraces a silly theory based on Internet forum posts by "desktop jihadists."
Take, for instance, an article published Tuesday by the Boston Globe, where Washington bureau chief Peter Canellos tries to argue that Osama bin Laden’s message just days before the 2004 presidential election taunting President Bush and promising to bankrupt the U.S. (in what appears to be a regular al-Qaeda theme for presidential elections) was really a secret ploy to help get Bush reelected:
So one immediate interpretation of the video was that bin Laden wanted Kerry to win, and was already dancing on the grave of his mortal enemy, President Bush. But as author Ron Suskind revealed in his book “The One Percent Doctrine,” the CIA analysts who tracked bin Laden felt that the Al Qaeda leader wanted the opposite result: Bush’s reelection.
The analysts speculated that bin Laden believed that Bush’s aggressiveness in Iraq, as well as embarrassments such as the treatment of prisoners at Baghdad’s Abu Ghraib prison and at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, had devastated America’s image on the “Arab Street,” sending many young radicals into Al Qaeda’s hands.
How was Canellos able to tap into al-Qaeda’s secret 2004 presidential election strategy? He explains that bin Laden’s statement must be “decoded as a political document than as a national-security threat.”
In other words, we are asked to believe that instead of taking bin Laden’s message at face value, the media, aided by the always-ubiquitous unnamed CIA sources, was contending that al-Qaeda had pulled off a brilliant stroke of political jujitsu, duping the American public into another Bush term and scuttling the imminent threat to al-Qaeda of a Kerry presidency.
This is all complete nonsense, of course, but it represents what passes as critical thinking among the Beltway media masses.
The quagmire strategy might still make sense to desktop jihadists like Ahmed from Amman, unnamed CIA analysts, along with the Washington Post and Boston Globe. However, the $10-12 billion spent each month in Iraq is barely a dent in the federal budget bucket and not even remotely responsible for our current economic woes. A more solid case could be made that an Obama presidency, along with the crippling tax increases and $1 trillion in new spending he promises, would be much more conducive to seeing the Great Satan brought to its knees than a continuation of the drubbing the U.S. military has delivered to al-Qaeda in Iraq — which President McCain, Secretary of Defense Lieberman, and incoming Centcom commander General Patraeus would surely extend to Afghanistan.
This “al-Qaeda for McCain” media narrative also errs in taking seriously Obama’s bluster about sending U.S. troops into Pakistan to capture the remaining al-Qaeda leadership. Clearly, Osama bin Laden has assessed the intestinal fortitude of Barack Obama no more highly than that of Bill Clinton. Remember bin Laden figured that a few pictures of dead U.S. soldiers would send America fleeing from Somalia. In that instance, bin Laden was entirely correct, and there is absolutely no evidence that Obama would behave differently. In retrospect, the Clinton Administration was a boon for the global jihadist movement, and its inaction in the face of repeated attacks by al-Qaeda (Khobar Towers, the U.S. Embassy attacks in Africa, and the USS Cole bombing) is what made 9/11 possible.
The argument that the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, and the countless newspapers who picked up the story via AP, are trying to advance with their “al-Qaeda for McCain” storyline is akin to saying that Hitler preferred Churchill to Chamberlain — a patently laughable proposition. John McCain made his policy clear just weeks after 9/11 in a Wall Street Journal editorial:
We have a great many interests in the world that were, until September 11, of the first order of magnitude, and the central occupation of American statesmen. No longer. Now we have only one primary occupation, and that is to vanquish international terrorism. Not reduce it. Not change its operations. Not temporarily subdue it. But vanquish it. It is a difficult and demanding task that will affect many other important interests, favorably in the long run, but in short run, in some instances, unfavorably. That cannot be helped, and we should not make victory on the battlefield more difficult to achieve so that our diplomacy is easier to conduct.
Only in the fairy tale world of establishment media newsrooms would such conviction embolden America’s enemies. And only in the same would al-Qaeda leaders be shaken to the bone by the very thought of have to confront President Obama and a Democrat-controlled Congress.
<- Prev Page 2 of 2
Patrick Poole is a regular contributor to Pajamas Media, and an anti-terrorism consultant to law enforcement and the military.
 |
 |
 |
Podcasts |  PJM Home |
Pajamas Media appreciates your comments that abide by the following guidelines:
1. Avoid profanities or foul language unless it is contained in a necessary quote or is relevant to the comment.
2. Stay on topic.
3. Disagree, but avoid ad hominem attacks.
4. Threats are treated seriously and reported to law enforcement.
5. Spam and advertising are not permitted in the comments area.
The clause regarding "hate speech" has been deleted because readers criticized it as being too loosely defined. We agreed.
These guidelines are very general and cannot cover every possible situation. Please don't assume that Pajamas Media management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment. We reserve the right to filter or delete comments or to deny posting privileges entirely at our discretion. If you feel your comment was filtered inappropriately, please email us at story@pajamasmedia.com.
54 Comments
1. Terry Gain:Psy-ops.
Oct 23, 2008 - 8:58 am 2. Peter the Sub Guy:Victory over al-Qaeda!
Oct 23, 2008 - 9:04 am 3. R a Z o R:McCain/Palin 2008
I also support J O H N M c C A I N .
________________________________________________
Is it any wonder that Israel supports
J O H N M c C A I N ?
________________________________________________
____________ M c C A I N * P A L I N ___________
________________________________________________
Was Biden lying about our enemies attacking us ?
Was Biden lying about Israel getting use to a
nuclear Iran ?
Is Obama lying about Biden not lying ?
Oct 23, 2008 - 9:07 am 4. Boris:This is yet another example of dumb things Republicans obsess over that end up coming back to bite them.
As for your argument that this wasn’t an endorsement, then why did the McCain campaign have a conference call with the media on it? Obviously they felt it was important enough to talk about.
Finally, you say “How was Canellos able to tap into al-Qaeda’s secret 2004 presidential election strategy?” You need to ask Woolsey and the other McCain guys who basically said the same thing about Al Qaeda this time.
(BTW, notice how I use direct quotes to attribute your words to you. That’s what they are for. They are not for putting your own ideas into the mouth of others.)
I’m enjoying the hypocrisy guys. Keep it coming.
Oct 23, 2008 - 9:44 am 5. Ditto:In the meantime, serious investigations continue to try to figure out exactly who Barack Hussein Obama might be – really. Two petitions have been filed to bring forward Obama’s “vault birth certificate”, one of which was shot down today by the Supreme Court in Hawai’i:
http://www.state.hi.us/jud/opinions/sct/2008/29414ord.pdf
What may be related, if you’ll pardon the pun, is the trip Obama has suddenly made to be with his grandmother who has been in the hospital but was released and has been home for some time. Why did he break off for one day to visit a woman he previously called a “typical white woman” who couldn’t help her own prejudices? Andy Martin thinks it is because she is the last person living who knows the truth about Obama’s genetic background.
He believes Obama is really the secret son of Frank Marshall Davis, , a radical activist, journalist and hard-core communist from whom Obama has drawn his inspiration and whom he calls his “mentor”. More here:
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/andy-martin-hawaii-obama-not-barack-obama-frank-marshall-davis-father-obamas-original-birth-certificate-incomplete-or-tampered-with/
Is it possible that Sen. Obama has gone back to Hawai’i to be sure his “typical white” grandmother remains silent the rest of her days? If so, why now?
And why on EARTH is it that only non-professional investigators are trying to vet this presidential candidate?
Oct 23, 2008 - 10:34 am 6. rvastar:I am too, Boris!
I’d especially like your take on this bit of hypocrisy:
When a fake Al-Queda “endorses” John McCain, it warrants stories in some of the nation’s largest news publications.
When the REAL Hamas, Ahmadenijihad, Putin, Chavez, Qaddafi, Castro, and Kim Jong Il all endorse Obama, these same media publicatons have nothing to say about it.
Funny, eh? I wonder why that would be? Your thoughts?
Oct 23, 2008 - 10:39 am 7. Jeff:Al Qaeda would love a McCain Administration. Why? They are willing to die for their cause against us and are willing to engage in this struggle for 100 years in Iraq so that our economy will continue to collapse. We cannot and should not fight on their terms but must devise other strategies, like working towards having the Iraqi army contend with them in Iraq. Then refocusing and rediverting more of our troops to Afghanistan, restrengthening the battlegrounds, and eventually also working towards having the Afghan army contend with them. Our goal must be to promote first Iraq and then Afghanistan to use their own armies, which we have trained, to now start to contend with Al Qaeda on their own, relieving us of falling into Al Qaeda’s plan of a never ending war with us. Our other most important goal is to end the Osama Bin Laden era by catching or ending his reign once and for all.
Oct 23, 2008 - 11:14 am 8. Frank:That’s right, libs, draw attention away from barack obamas numerous real terrorist friends by making something up about john mccains fake terrorist friends
Oct 23, 2008 - 11:42 am 9. Dave in Texas:It was just four years ago that bin Laden released a tape threatening America if it re-elects Bush, this was days before the election and a definite effort to sway its outcome.
the thing they’re talking about in the story is nothing like that. It sounds more like some weenie would-be terrorist trying to claim it was all a plot to GET us to re-elect Bush, so we could ruin ourselves by breaking America on the rock of al Qaeda. heh heh, they’ve got us just where they want us. my knees are knocking now, heh heh.
Geez Louise. What a dope. If al Qaeda wanted McCain elected, they’d be donating to McCain’s campaign like they’re donating to Obama.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:05 pm 10. Someone75:It seems like the GOP used an Al Qaeda endorsement against John Kerry four years ago. Either you were lying then, or you’re lying now. What hypocrisy.
Dave in Texas: I know Texas morons like you would love to believe that terrorist organizations that donating to Obama, but you’re wrong. Obama has a detailed list of every donor, if you bothered to look. But people like you usually aren’t all that interested in “facts” or “reason” or “logic”. Maybe you should go back to your small town and soak up some of that “common sense” you brag about.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:13 pm 11. Patrick Poole:I sadly lament that we don’t have better, more entertaining trolls here at Pajamas Media. Instead, we’re stuck with illiterate bores such as Boris, who pretends to lecture me on the use of quotation marks — failing to realize that the quotation I supposedly forced upon Peter Canellos was taken directly from the article I cited:
My statement:
“How was Canellos able to tap into al-Qaeda’s secret 2004 presidential election strategy? He explains that bin Laden’s statement must be ['decoded as a political document than as a national-security threat.']”
Canellos:
“Bin Laden’s awareness of American politics was evident in his 2004 videotape, a rant that is far more interesting when [decoded as a political document than as a national-security threat.]”
Gee, Boris, that quote I attributed to Canellos seems to be somewhat similar – nay, exact, in fact – to what he said. How about that?
Any more grammatical lectures?
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:15 pm 12. Marc Malone:What a non-story.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:20 pm 13. jerryofva:Jeff:
Like all obamatrons you live in a Bizzaro world. Out here in the real world we are turning over security to the Iraqi Army and police on a daily basis. Why just yesterday we turned Babil Provence over to the Iraqis, the 12th provence to be turned over.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:23 pm 14. Laura:Boris, you sound like a typical moronic socialist drone. Would you like to trade places and move to Canada and I will come and live in the U.S.? Stop whining and be happy that you live in the greatest country in the world.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:23 pm 15. RS:McCain/Palin 08!!!!!
Obama has never served our military
and he is proved to not give a rats ass about the American people. Liberals paint him as a godsend
all the while ignoring his background or trying to conceal it. Also Iran seems to think it’s highly in their best interests to get Obama in office, so they have an advantage over Israeli. Obama feints on supporting jews… jackson said he’ll pull support out, just like he’d pull out of the war on terror.
Obama only issued a statement opposing jackson when he learned that Florida can cost him the election with the Jewish majority. Once again proves, he cares little for others only for their vote!
the choice is clear
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:23 pm 16. Boris:McCain/Palin
“I wonder why that would be?”
Here’s my guess: Obama ignored the “endorsement” and McCain organized a media conference call.
In truth, none of it matters.
And Patrick, perhaps, if you are as literate as you claim, you might read your own article and find the quotation that you attribute to Obama that he never said. Do I need to point it out to you or do you have it now?
Good.
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:34 pm 17. Patrick Poole:Walid Phares has just posted an analysis the Al-Hesbah post and also finds WAPO’s “Al-Qaeda for McCain” claims sorely lacking:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/10/al_qaedas_propaganda_aims_to_a.php
“A first quick reading of the site’s claim may appear to be an endorsement of the Senator from Arizona. A thorough reading of the posted material in original Arabic, however, and an analysis of the global strategies of the Jihadist movement along with the psychological war efforts by al Qaeda and their allies around the world, tell us a different story and it is the antipode of the Washington Post conclusion.”
Oct 23, 2008 - 12:59 pm 18. Jeff:13. jerryofva,
Like most conservatives who view the world through a peephole, you don’t understand or fail to want to understand my reasoning. I am talking about a full-fledge strategy to turn over all the duties of the Iraq War to the Iraqi army to contend with Al Qaeda, as we slowly start to relieve and withdraw our troops in increments within a timeframe. Then we refocus our attention on where the real fight should be, which is Afghanistan. We should stabilize, strengthen, and finally promote the turn over to the Afghan army to contend with Al Qaeda on their front too. Then we can also start to relieve and withdraw our troops in increments within a timeframe from there too. We need to devise this systematic strategy in both countries, starting with Iraq first, since Osama Bin Laden is NOT in Iraq. If we do not devise this systematic strategy, we will fall into Al Qaeda’s plan of a never ending war. A systematic strategy of training and building these 2 countries to fight on their own and a well planned withdrawal of our troops in increments within a timeframe does not take our eye off the agenda. We will still be overlooking these 2 fronts but if we continuosly take it upon ourselves to fight terrorism on both fronts, the Iraqi and Afghan army will never step up and will be comfortable remaining in the back seats.
Oct 23, 2008 - 1:54 pm 19. rvastar:This is rather pathetic, Boris. First, because it’s pathetic. Second, because in order for your “theory” to hold any water whatsoever, the conference call would have to have occurred before the articles ran in AP and the Washington Post…which it didn’t. It was in response to the articles.
Nice try though
Your Left-ese may be confusing to many of the intelligent people here, Boris. As a former Lefty, I hope you don’t mind if I translate.
Translation:
There you go, Boris…all cleared up.
Seriously…how does it feel to be such a bald-faced liar? I mean, you get called out on your completely fabricated bullsh!t – ad hominem, red herrings, straw men, outright lies, whatever, etc. – on a regular basis and yet you continue to just lie through your teeth. A completely worthless hack with no intellectual honesty at all.
Tell us this: if supporting Barack Obama requires you to be this disgustingly obtuse in the face of all facts, numbers, and truth, what in the world is it that you see in this guy that somehow makes you think that he’s going to be good for this country?
You’re sad, man…really f-king sad.
Oct 23, 2008 - 2:00 pm 20. Ditto:#18. Jeff wrote: I am talking about a full-fledge [sic] strategy to turn over all the duties of the Iraq War to the Iraqi army to contend with Al Qaeda, as we slowly start to relieve and withdraw our troops in increments within a timeframe.
Jeff I think you’re both saying the same thing, with the only exception being the “timeline” you attach to your approach. I played intramural football in college way back about a hundred and fifty years ago or so (bear with me, this is going somewhere) and the coach patted me on the shoulder during one particularly close game and sent me into the game with the next play. I was so excited, I ran out on the field calling out “Blue 52 Right Crosshair on two!” As you can imagine, the play was ineffective because our opponent knew exactly what we were going to do.
Two lessons to learn from that.
#1 If you ever want to play real college football and you begin on the intramural team — do not yell out the play as you go onto the field when you get your big moment in the sun.
#2 Don’t telegraph your next move to your opponent if you wish to have victory
Oct 23, 2008 - 2:24 pm 21. Vasio:I’ve served in the Military and Iraq. I can’t even tell you what the fight is for? I can give some, but that would not be fair and too a breach. I’m not a supporter of anything but truth and reality. How can the war be stopped? How can the military come home and re-establish their families? Who likes war? The Military Industrial Complex says America does. Think about Germanay, beautiful country. Yes, the Nazi’s are bad, but what’s funny is an American Nazi.
But anyway I’ll bomb your country and then charge you to re-build and I’ll set up shop and a few post/bases–”Military Industrial Complex”
War does make money, but at who’s cost? Who makes the weapons, $$$$$. I’m sorry, but history has proven that “Stupid is as Stupid does”…
Think of Vietnam–”Military Industrial Complex”; it seems that when a country is going broke a war will stabalize an economy. Think back to the Great Depression? How did America overcome it?
Sounds like I’m here teaching children to educate yourself and not base your thinking and actions on racial and impure ideologies. But base it on a complete understanding and data that supports. Everything here sounds racial? No pun intended, because you would never guess my race.
It seems like you dislike Obama because he’s black, born to an African father and White mother. But genetically speaking we all may be different colors on the outside but their is on 6% difference in all our genes/DNA.
So tell me how do you people know Obama is a liar? How do you know what he ate for breakfast? It seems you know alot about Obama, but what do you know about McCain?
True McCain was a war hero? He was a P.O.W. but what makes him so honest and truthful?
I just want help to understand. And I refuse to play the race card.
Oct 23, 2008 - 2:35 pm 22. cindy:It’s just an article with information. If the jihadist were clamoring for an Obama victory, that would have been reported as well. You’re chasing figments of your imagination.
Oct 23, 2008 - 2:51 pm 23. Sandy:Republicans are just downright stupid. The crazy stuff they invent out of thin air just amazes me when their beloved party was in office for 8 LONG years and got us into these horrific messes we’re in and they still think their party is great. I feel sorry for all of your REPUBS, especially when your president is a BLACK MAN. Whahahaahahahhaahahh. Watch out!
Oct 23, 2008 - 2:59 pm 24. Boris:“Seriously…how does it feel to be such a bald-faced liar? I mean, you get called out on your completely fabricated bullsh!t – ad hominem, red herrings, straw men, outright lies, whatever, etc. – on a regular basis and yet you continue to just lie through your teeth. A completely worthless hack with no intellectual honesty at all.”
Wow, another sanctimonious jammies A-hole. Big surprise. You do know that the media reported the Hamas “endorsement” of Obama, right? Check the Boston Globe and the NYT, just for starters.
Now, tell me Mr. ravstar, how many of the mouthbreathing right wing bloggers mentioned the fact that Hamas went back on any “endorsement” they may have given Obama? Were they too distracted by Palin’s hemline?
Hamas Hits out at Obama
You, and jerks like you, are why the Republican party has imploded. Now shut up and reap what you have sown.
Oct 23, 2008 - 4:09 pm 25. Ditto:You might be surprised to learn, Sandy, that I welcome a black man or woman as the President of the United States. I do, however, require that person to be qualified for the job and not as a socialist, communist or marxist.
Don’t draw the race card unless you know for sure who you are speaking to.
Oct 23, 2008 - 4:09 pm 26. Obama Would Fail Security Clearance » Winds Of Jihad:[...] * Al Qaeda Supporting McCain? No, Not Really. [...]
Oct 23, 2008 - 4:21 pm 27. jerryofva:Jeff:
I guess I just an unable to truly understand what is going on in Afghanistan or Iraq. Well I work in the Pentagon but I have to admit I only work PACOM problems and not CENTCOM.
Oct 23, 2008 - 5:36 pm 28. bigfoot9p6:So the author suggests that the wise response to binLadens video in 2004 is to take him at his word. Just trust the worst terrorist in the world to be a standup honest guy. Republicans prove more idiotic everyday. durp…go palin….unkgh…obama cosialist…eye lyk bush
Oct 23, 2008 - 6:29 pm 29. Max:It is clear that Obama is racing home to silence a revelation that he is from the Planet Zoo-zoo — and that — amazingly John McCain is his true father!!! Unless you vote for Barr, the world will come to an end on November 9th, 2008. However, you could also vote for Nader in which case the world will come to an end on October 3, 2306.
Oct 23, 2008 - 6:43 pm 30. rvastar:It’s all very complicated and space prevents me from expla
No, BoreUs…they reported that John McCain stated that Hamas endorsed Obama…with the intent of providing cover for Obama. That’s just a little different than straight-up news stories stating that “Al-Qaeda Endorses McCain”, don’t you think? Of course not, what am I thinking? That would require some intellectual honesty from you.
Oh, and nice job simply ignoring all the other Obama endorsements I listed. Well, it’s to be expected with you Leftists…you know what they say, “inconvenient truths” and all.
Wow! What a shocker! The Muslim terrorist group states that they want the pacifist to win, then someone with half a brain says “hey, maybe that wasn’t the smartest move since it might cause the Americans to actually NOT vote for the pacifist”…et voila, endorsement rescinded! What a fortunate turn of events! Kinda like the the Wright do-over Obambi set up, right?
Tell you what: let’s see if Al-Qaeda goes back on their “endorsement” of McCain. Ok?
Oh, I have no intention of shutting up. I intend to continue exposing your lies, obfuscations, and general sh!tbaggery for everyone to see. You’re utterly worthless…a stain who doesn’t have enough brains or courage to think for himself. A turd and a coward.
Oct 23, 2008 - 7:32 pm 31. American Dream:LOL! and they say obama is a terrorist, the tables have switched
Oct 23, 2008 - 8:39 pm 32. Rick:Clearly you failed to read the entire article:
1. They admitted that it’s not clear whether this view is supported by UbL.
2. However, according to an expert on Islamic extremist websites, this does reflect the common view on those sites:
“It was unclear how closely the commentary reflected the views of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who has not issued a public statement since the spring. Some terrorism experts said the support for McCain could be mere bluster by a group that may have more to fear from a McCain presidency. In any event, the comments summarized what has emerged as a consensus view on extremist sites, said Adam Raisman, a senior analyst for the Site Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamist Web pages.”
Way to selectively quote and react in a knee-jerk fashion…much like the liberals have. I think the far right and the far left often don’t realize just how similar they are. (Both see conspiracies everywhere, both argue that the “mainstream media” are biased, etc…)
Oct 23, 2008 - 9:03 pm 33. john from cinncinati:when the western economy is destroyed by al queda, what and who will they buy from? will they begin to buy yugos? because there are no more cadillacs. the new caliphate has to have a manufacturing base doesn’t it. is china part of western economy? armchair quarterbacks are famous for making decisions that mean absolutely nothing. i won the superbowl!
Oct 23, 2008 - 9:21 pm 34. john from cinncinati:Vasi’o: is that spanish for empty. been to Iraq twice and you still don’t know what it’s for.
we’ve been at war with these islamist since 79. well actually since before but with this generation. you do know the money being spent in Iraq, a lot is going in the pockets of our troops who spend it here. i feel like such a child when i learn new things. i would be really thrilled and go into a child like glow if i knew where the hell the tall guy came from. back to the football stats: 6′2″ born where? since we aren’t playing the race card, jimmy the greek said they got musskles. back to the point the newspaper got insider info on al-queda and they are betting on the white horse. what are the vegas odds makers saying about this?
Vasio: don’t know where i got the twice from. speculation if it was only once then you were probably army, airforce twice, and marines you probably on your fifth. just guessing
Oct 23, 2008 - 9:44 pm 35. bill08:No sandy your democrats are stupid. They have nothing bad to pull out on McCain so they pick on Palin and do a poor job of it. They criticize her for things like how much her clothes cost, her husband had a DUI 20 yrs ago. What exactly are Republicans pulling “out of thin air”? That Obama is friendly with Ayers? He is–he wrote an appraisal of Ayers’ book. His “preacher” is anti-American. A felon Tony Rezko got him a deal on his house. You and the other liberals don’t know your candidate and don’t really want to. You keep believing that Obama is going to save the day. What has he done to prove this to you? Even his own vice-presidential pick Biden said on March 3rd of this year “he’s not ready to be president.” He added of McCain, “it would be an honor to run with or against John McCain.” Bush is an idiot. He’s an embarrassment to the office. That said, I voted for him twice. I don’t agree with Kerry or Gore’s views. I don’t agree with Obama’s either. I got news for you. Not all democrat presidents have been great. Jimmy Carter was a weak president. Lyndon Johnson made some big blunders with Vietnam. YOu can’t say one party is all good or one is all bad. I’m saying Obama hasn’t shown anyone what he’s made of. We can look at what McCain has done.
Oct 23, 2008 - 10:18 pm 36. Sarge:The other day I heard a guy say “I support Obama because he ia a Arab/American” and will get the terrorists Off our backs” Huh???
Oct 23, 2008 - 10:42 pm 37. vivo:It’s idiotic and wasteful to try to fight a semi-invisible enemy in their territory. Let them try to come here so that that they spend their hard earned dinars instead of ours. Why do these bureaucrats go to college? Do they?
Oct 23, 2008 - 10:49 pm 38. No, Al Qaeda Hasn’t Endorsed McCain « Beltway Snark:[...] Al Qaeda Hasn’t Endorsed McCain Jump to Comments The things the MSM will say in the final week of the race when their guy, once again, can’t quite manage to seal the deal [...]
Oct 24, 2008 - 4:58 am 39. SiouxLady:Ask not for whom the trolls bellow;
They troll for that Marxist fellow.
Hee hee
Oct 24, 2008 - 7:02 am 40. Boris:“Oh, I have no intention of shutting up. I intend to continue exposing your lies, obfuscations, and general sh!tbaggery for everyone to see. You’re utterly worthless…a stain who doesn’t have enough brains or courage to think for himself. A turd and a coward.”
Well, then keep contributing to your party’s downfall. When the D’s solidify their hold in the house, when they have 58 or so sat in the senate, when Obama is elected, know that I will be laughing at you. I hope you will be here on November 5th. Not a coward, are you?
Now go ahead and tell me how the polls are controlled by the elite media and Obama isn’t really a citizen and ACORN stole the election and remember that in 12 days it won’t make one damn bit of difference.
But, no, don’t change. I dislike you just the way you are.
Oct 24, 2008 - 7:50 am 41. Doddlin:I have lot’s of questions that are really eating at me.
I want to understand from an Obama supporter why so many around the world support him as President. What does it mean really? I seriously don’t understand, but want to. If they don’t like America, they why are they so concerned about who our President is?
In addition, why are you voting for Obama? What will he do to ensure you are paid what you think you are worth (as if anyone will ever be paid their worth)? I’d like to understand the basic democratic philosophy. Why does filthy rich people support the deomocratic ticket… like Hollywood and Washington elites?
Why do they HATE republicans so much? After all, most of our wars have been started by democrats… so I can’t think that it’s just about war. In fact, Clinton and Gore criticized Bush Sr. for not taking Sadam out so they could win in 1992. I’ve carefully watched their debates to try to understand. Clinton attacked Iraq without UN approval and said that “sometimes America has to take a stand even if it’s not popular”. Then their was Bosnia and Somolia. Democrats all supported going into Iraq until it became difficult. Then, they have done nothing but use it against Bush to win or something. I don’t get it. Please help me understand. I’m being sincere.
Oct 24, 2008 - 8:53 am 42. sean sarto:Once again, ever since the limited war came into being, (Korea)…America has been pullin’ it’ s punches fer the sake of some cornball Macho fetish (read McCain’s broad of a wife)…Ground troops? Come on, they attack you..you serve yer hot plate, blue specially quick..if they don’t, diplomacy’s a fine dish ta digest…..Isolationisim ain’t nuthin’ ta be ashamed of……So what if some nerdy guy with the big ideas, rather then bravado an’ bulk proves “might” is crap? That brains is better buisness…If you got a weapon in yer arsenal ta do the job quick an’ easy, all military reasoning says you use it…Problem is you can’t fight ideologies…you fight men…an’ if they keep pourin it on…wipe the slate clean of ‘em….Al Queda is half of our guys corporate buddies, fer some simple reason that they come up with cash an’ commodity…Reagan’s term had ‘em over for dinner…they’re invested in our government! Saudi’s are big fans of Hollywood…Reagan was a good ole hoot to ‘em…in fact, so much that they saved Holllywood’s snivellin’ rear ends, with their bail out plans…The American Mind had a value to them, once they saw American’s were on the same program as they were……..(Dominance before Benevolence)These rich pokes don’t give a damn, they’ll kite on outta town once the fire shifts towards their defections…Slippery as the spit that milked ‘em… Class warfare?…They started it once they dipped into the pockets of folks who done them earnest-wise buisness…like me…an’ by pockets I mean, flesh an’ blood…”Brother’s under the bridges”, like hell, “Bandits under the bridges” is what they are…I’m not talkin’ the chump piece of tree mulch they call the Almighty dollar these days, either…Money is based in the foundations of trust an’ honest intentions..If it ain’t, it’s dust…an’ back ta the dust with it…Excrement’s got more true value then this funny buisness they ply, pilfer an’ pitch.. …If McCain’s wife wants ta give up a house or two so their boys can get decorated like pleasant goddamn chritmas trees(hang a star on’em..dazzlin’ ta the debutatnte’s eyes) …let her MAKE THE SACRAFICE! Damned if I’m gonna mess up my dinky litle scratch of dirt…a tent in the woods here in the USA, fer her good graces…Hell, Obama is Al Queda’s brother at heart…the Unobama…”Class warfare”…”Song of the South”, no, I’d say it’s jest a case of common neighborly justice when ya bring down the ones who choose to steal, to cheat an’ to lie, ta those who don’t…When ya do yer job fer those who contract ya under terms of a payment an’ then they stiff ya come payday fer no good stinkin’ schoolyard childish reason…..Use all the layers of varnish an’ litigation in the world an’ ya won’t never cover up that deep stain ..Whaddya think WWII was all about?…weedin’ thin Okies. That’s about all in the endgame…Strip men down bare ta the bones, then goose ‘em up with the public trust…an’ ship ‘em out ta the butcher’s block….An’ Hollywood acts all noble an’ grandiose, kissin’ up to the pensions. That’s all. Before yesterday re-invented itself, went an’ re-invisioned itself….(”Such an’ easy game to play”) These folks thought little about gunnin’ a factory jobber straight away fer jest another round at the cocktail lounge…nuthin’s changed, same ole dopey. May the Bird of Paradise fly up yer nose. Hope those hat suscribe to it choke on their puke.
Oct 24, 2008 - 9:44 am 43. Rembrandt:Doddlin,
The world does not hate America. With the exception of a few extremists, they never have. America is seen as a necessary evil. It is big, it is powerful, it spreads its media and its money around the world, but it’s certainly better to have America strong than Russia or China.
The world does hate George W. Bush. He is the John Wayne of world leaders. He is bigger than you and he does not care what you think. He represents a phenomenon that is uniquely American: the Christian Right. There are conservative Christians in many other countries, of course, but “values voters” don’t make up a sizeable portion of the electorate in any other first world country. To Europe and Canada in particular, electing a president based on their opposition to abortion and gay marriage is naïve and ethically repugnant. The Iraq War and the “War on Terror” have only reinforced the image of the bullheaded, angry, intolerant American.
Obama appeals to all those who have been alienated by the Bush presidency. Over the past 8 years, there have been major world changes directly caused by the unpopular Bush regime, The European Union has become tighter and more powerful in large part because Europeans recognize that the US is not as reliable as they once thought it was. Politicians in Canada and Australia have achieved success on vaguely anti-American platforms. Obama, assuming he doesn’t totally implode (a very real concern considering the ridiculous expectations put on him), reassures foreign leaders and investors that America is again under steady leadership.
Obama is far from perfect and he won’t solve all of America’s problems overnight, but he’s a sure step in the right direction. If the US elects McCain, it will be an international disaster. Obama is so well-regarded around the world, and Bush so despised, that dealing with America will be seen in the same light as dealing with North Korea. The economy will suffer as foreign demand lags, America’s military will have more enemies and fewer allies, and American college kids travelling in France will never get laid again.
And that’s just tragic.
Oct 24, 2008 - 10:14 am 44. mnotaro:Ok, Obama supporters–here it is!! You guys think he is so great, and if anyone doesn’t you always want to pull the race card! Well I don’t care what color our next President is, I just want proof of his citizenship and his validity to run for the President of the US. I can’t believe people are willing to hand over the Presidency to someone who wont’ turn over their birth certificate. Just because Obama is intelligent and has an amazing personality doesn’t make him prepared to run our country. His lefty illuminati politicians in DC think they’ve found some puppet to do their dirty work and the American people are falling for it.
Oct 24, 2008 - 10:17 am 45. Rembrandt:Who cares about the birth certificate?
When the Giants faced the Patriots in the Super Bowl, they didn’t try to disqualify Tom Brady on some technicality. They went out and won, fair and square. The birth certificate issue just makes conservatives look foolish. I don’t care if he was born in Zimbabwe, if he can do the job better than McCain he’s still my pick. (Yes, I know the law says that you have to be American-born to be president. But the purpose of the law wasn’t to exclude people who may or may not have spent their infancy abroad but were by all accounts fully American)
McCain is more experienced than Obama, but that’s his only strength. He graduated 894th in a class of 899. He deserted his crippled first wife for a blonde 18 years his junior. He has a long history of losing his temper and saying/doing regrettable things. He has an admittedly poor grasp of economics. And to top it off, he’s 72 years old!
I’ll admit that McCain looks very good for a 72 year old, but he’s still well past his prime. Both of my grandfathers died at age 72, and McCain’s lived a hard life. I’d trust him to run the country in March of 2009, but I’m not so sure about January of 2012. And the mere thought of Sarah Palin as the Commander-in-Chief of the United States should scare most rational people.
There’s a difference between being “an outsider” and being “tremendously unqualified and spectacularly ignorant.”
Oct 24, 2008 - 10:36 am 46. Someone75:SiouxLady:
What do you even know about Marx? I’m guessing you know that A) he was a very evil man and B) that’s about it. Looks like more of the anti-intellectual indoctrination that is making our nation suffer. But what do I know? I’m a “troll” from “pretend” America.
Oct 24, 2008 - 12:08 pm 47. SiouxLady:Someone75, I know waaaaaaaay more than that. Marx had a T.V. game show called “You Bet Your Life” and smoked a great big cigar.
Oh, yeah, he wrote a book called “The Black Book of Communism” (Harvard University Press – 1999)in which he admitted about 100 million people have died in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, etc. etc. as Stalin and Mao tried to implement his “millenarian ideology”. I’d like to save from the same fate the 25 million Americans the Weather Underground said would have to die to implement Marxism in this country. Being a “real” American, I know I’d be at the head of the list.
If the troll shoe fits, wear it.
Oct 24, 2008 - 12:58 pm 48. Doddlin:Rebrandt: So it’s really all about the cult of personality then? That, and anti Christian attitudes? I mean, Presidents all go to war… most of ours were started by democrats, btw. You can’t say that Bush is THE war monger. Why are democrats given a pass? Even Obama is speaking war talk. Why is it ok when a democrat is a war monger? This doesn’t make sense to me. I study history, I have gone back to remind myself of Clinton’s positions. I’ve watched his speaches, his arguments against Bush Sr. for not doing enough. I’ve been listening to Obama’s plans too. What is the difference except party lines?
Religion isn’t forced on anyone in this country or anywhere else. Why is everyone so UPSET about religion anyway? If you don’t believe…. so what? Why do you care that others do? This almost seems like what religious people have said would happen all along… a fight between good (God) and evil (Satan). Seems we are seeing a war against religious people. Why not just leave them alone. They are not bad people.. they do a lot of good for others. Would you prefer we get rid of them? Should we kill them?
Why specifically is Obama viewed as someone who will be a “Steady leader”? He hasn’t led anything? He isn’t a uniter either. This country has never been more divided that right now. He has proven that he will stop at nothing to alienate half of us simply because we don’t agree with him. He just marginalizes everyone who opposes him… Just like he did to win in Chicago. He has brought race into our country in a way that we hoped would never be again. People are ready to riot. People are scared, frightened, mis-trustful.
So, again… what is it about Obama that is so wonderful in the minds of everyone? I’m not seeing it… I don’t get it. I’m not inspired. But, I want to understand what it is that I am missing.
Oct 24, 2008 - 1:40 pm 49. myth buster:From the way people criticize McCain for graduating near the bottom of his class, you would think they believed Obama could actually graduate from the Naval Academy. News flash! IF Obama had tried to attend the Naval Academy, he would have either quit before the end of Freshman year (likely before the year even started), or else he would have been expelled for using drugs. When it comes to the Service Academies, if you test positive for Schedule I or unauthorized Schedule II drugs, they don’t ask questions; they expel you.
Regardless, I seriously doubt Obama even could have made it through Plebe Summer. See, at Harvard they make it very difficult to get in, but they do everything in their power to make sure you graduate. At the Naval Academy, it’s easier to get in, but the staff doesn’t care if you quit, and the upperclassman actually try to make you quit. They reason that if you don’t have the tenacity to put up with the harassment the upperclassmen give you, you don’t have any place being an officer. Now, I don’t go to the Academy, but from my experiences with ROTC, I can tell you that while legacy may help you get into the program, it becomes a point that the upperclassmen will actually harass you about. Being an Admiral’s kid will get you into the Academy if you have decent grades and you pass medically, but watch out if the upperclassmen get the idea that you think you’re something special, because you won’t hear the end of it until you convince them that you don’t think there’s anything special about you.
Oct 24, 2008 - 2:17 pm 50. rvastar:Oh, I’ll still be here…regardless of who wins. And I’ll still be taking you behind the woodshed…over and over and over…
Polls conducted by the NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, ABC, NBC, CBS are controlled by the elite media. Or are they the alternative media in your eyes?
Until someone proves otherwise, Obama is an American citizen.
ACORN hasn’t stolen the election because the election hasn’t occurred yet. But come election day, even if it were proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they did, it wouldn’t make any difference to an intellectual coward like you. You’d simply make excuses or change the subject…much like you’ve done every single time I’ve exposed your stupidity in this thread.
And you’re absolutely right that it won’t make any difference in 12 days. Irregardless of what happens, you’ll still be an intellectually dishonest, sh!t-stain Leftist coward.
Oct 24, 2008 - 3:35 pm 51. Boris:“you’ll still be an intellectually dishonest, sh!t-stain Leftist coward.”
Kiss your sister with that mouth?
Oct 24, 2008 - 5:13 pm 52. The Historian:Be careful what you vote for, you just might get it, as this link points out:
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamacrats-target-american-military.html
Oct 25, 2008 - 12:30 pm 53. rvastar:No, I kiss your mother with it.
Wow, you just can’t win for losing. Eh, BoreUs?
But at least you demonstrated enough intelligence in that last post to give up your ridiculous attempts at obfuscation and lying about the topic at hand.
Feel free to resort to “nanny, nanny, boo-boo!” as your next “argument”.
Oct 25, 2008 - 1:56 pm 54. AdrianS:The extensive broadening of John McCain’s presidential popularity.
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=75
Is it Obamalies or Lies Obama tells?
Oct 26, 2008 - 1:35 pmhttp://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=73