Americans Can’t Get No Satisfaction
Ninety-one percent of us are unhappy with the state of the nation. The question is: who are the nine percent?

A recent Gallup poll found an astonishing 91% of Americans who are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States.
That’s a pretty sobering number. And if Mr. Gallup had asked me whether I was satisfied or dissatisfied with how things were going in our country, I would probably have to go with the majority in this case. Despite the fact that my personal life couldn’t be better (aside from the fact that I’ve lost so much in my retirement fund that I will have to continue working until I am 106-years-old just to get back even), I understand that things could be a lot better. The White Sox could have taken those bums from Tampa. My Beloved Bears could be undefeated. The Blackhawks could try and actually field a professional hockey team this year.
But these are minor irritants, hardly worth mentioning to such an august personage as Mr. Gallup. So I would probably have to swallow my home team disappointments and go along with the 91% of us who think things are pretty sucky right now in the US of A.
What is their number one reason for feeling that life in America is not all it should be? Well, 69% of respondents said it was the economy that was giving them the vapors about the US.
This is a surprise, right?
No, it isn’t. But what is really mind-boggling is that there were 9% of us who actually think things are pretty hunky-dory right now. Translated into numbers, that’s around 16 million adults who find no cause to stop the party and put on a grumpy face. Sixteen million Americans are so oblivious to what is going on in the world that they probably don’t even know what date it is. Do they know who the president is? Not that it matters. The guy who’s snoozing away in the White House right now sits at a 25% approval rating. How 45 million adults can approve of economic Armageddon is beyond me. I suppose if I was a short-seller in the market these last few weeks I’d be pretty satisfied right now — and happy with the job Bush was doing.
Frankly, I don’t think there’s a connection between the two. The rich may be satisfied with their own situation but they are probably smart enough to figure out there are a lot of things going wrong all of a sudden — especially if they’ve gotten a frantic call or two from their broker or trust manager in the last couple of weeks. Maybe there are people who didn’t understand the question. Perhaps they’re hard of hearing.
Really now, who are these 16 million optimists?
I didn’t have far to go to find some. They are all over the blogosphere commenting on what they really believe is going on in America. To a few of us, this isn’t just a manufactured crisis; it’s a plot — a dastardly plan to torpedo John McCain’s candidacy. The media is in cahoots with the Democrats to suppress all the good news, not to mention burying the polls showing McCain far ahead and George Bush beloved of our countrymen. The economy really isn’t all that bad, Iraq is virtually a paradise of peace and tranquility, who needs health insurance when we’ve got emergency rooms that won’t turn anyone away, and Republicans are going to take back the House and Senate.
I wish I could say that I made all that up but I didn’t. Such comments have appeared on this site from time to time and if you peruse the comment sections on other blogs, you know I write the truth (the bit about health insurance was actually uttered by a GOP House candidate in my district). Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. And reality these days can be tough to accept, especially if you’re a partisan Republican.
So I would guess that the overwhelming majority of that 9% of us who are satisfied with how things are going in America simply don’t want to accept that we have bitten into a gigantic crap sandwich and we’ll be on a steady diet of crapola for the foreseeable future.
For the rest of us, however, we must proceed with the way things are. And if there is one constant in the polls since this crisis hit, it has been that the American people are hopping mad and looking for someone to blame.
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1. jvon:One great thing about living in a deep blue state is that I get to vote to “throw the bums out” every single election cycle. I will once again.
Oct 8, 2008 - 1:09 am 2. Marc Malone:The only thing I’m mad about are the voters. I can endure hard times. I just hate that they get so upset, then proceed to do something even stupider: not bother to learn what’s really going on. Honestly, how can anyone by this stage be so stupid as to be truly undecided? Liars.
Oct 8, 2008 - 1:18 am 3. Someone75:Marc:
I agree in concept, even though our political leanings are probably different. I think people should have to pass a basic test to demonstrate any knowledge whatsoever of the current political situation and of the candidates running.
Oct 8, 2008 - 1:51 am 4. Dark Helmet:History will judge President Bush much kinder than you when all the details about how so many did everything they could to sabatoge him come to light.
Even at the cost of damaging our nation.
You can complain about how things are all you want. You can blame any group there is plenty for everybody. But what you can not take away is the fact that even if you do have to work until you’re 106, there is an opportunity to do so. That opportunity does not exist any where else. As long as it does, there will always be a way for America come through. I bet if you thought about that as much as you do your useless sports teams, you’d know that and wouldn’t be down on our nation.
Oct 8, 2008 - 5:03 am 5. MER:9% live in Texas!
Oct 8, 2008 - 5:31 am 6. WJ:If we elect Obama and continue with Democrats in charge of the House & Senate, then the US voters will get the economic situation they deserve. The US economy will soon be as bad (or worse) than Michigan is today or the whole US was under Carter in the 70’s.
It never ceases to amaze me at the incredible economic stupidity of the typical US voter. It looks probably that we are going to elect a socialist/protectionist to the presidency and the accompanying failed policies of those ideas.
Oct 8, 2008 - 6:03 am 7. Tony:Perhaps the 91% who aren’t happy have become so spoilt by living in a free country that they don’t know how lucky they are anymore?
Perhaps they are upset because the Jones next door have a bigger TV and feel hard done-by in life?
Maybe daddy didn’t get them a seat on the Board for their 17th birthday as promised?
Perhaps the poll is just a load of crap like most polls?
Oct 8, 2008 - 6:50 am 8. Kirk:WJ wrote …
“”"It never ceases to amaze me at the incredible economic stupidity of the typical US voter. “”"
LOL, when McDonalds has a union forced on them and the $1 menu turns into the $4 dollar menu, the typical oblivious American might notice. That’s ‘might’ notice. They are so easily confused , they will probably blame McDonalds for it and demand fast food price regulations in the same way we got our ‘bailout’.
Oct 8, 2008 - 7:03 am 9. Yom:Interesting question: Who are the 9% and why are they content? Too bad your answer is vapid and pointless chatter.
Oct 8, 2008 - 7:06 am 10. geokster:Personally, I believe the 9% live in boxes and under bridges and are thrilled ACORN is showering them with attention.
WJ:
If this were just another case of a democrat replacing a republican in the White House, or one party taking over from the other in congress, then it would be no big deal.
However, the fact that we are about to anoint someone whose worldview and philosophy is very similar to Hugo Chavez is a huge problem. Look for the first things to happen is the crippling of talk radio with the “Fairness Doctrine” and something similar to shut down conservative blogs on the internet. Once the only two means that conservatives have to communicate and organize effectively are gone, it won’t make any difference what happens to the economy. The media will either say things are great or blame capitalism and the few remaining republicans. In fact, it serves the left to have even bigger financial crises, as this acts as a perfect smokescreen for nationalizing most of the private sector, and declaring martial law to suspend the constition.
The so-called republican candidate called for another new huge increase in government power just last night in the debate, another $300 billion down the rabbit hole. Who the hell is standing up for us?
Right now the ONLY country monitoring the left’s blatant theft of elections in other countries like Venezuela and Zimbabwe is the United States. ACORN, a strong ally of Obama and funded with hundreds of millions of our own tax dollars, is already heavily into stealing this one in the United States, aided and abetted by the media. But what country will watch out for us?
We can still see this now, as some information can still get through the left’s filters. But they already control the media, the schools and universities, and the entertainment industry. Once in charge of government, what’s to stop them from a typical leftist bloodless coup?
I can only hope that our military will stand up for the Constitution. If they won’t, it’s over.
If only George Orwell had called his famous novel “2008″ instead, he’d have hit it right on the button.
Oct 8, 2008 - 7:20 am 11. tim maguire:Tony’s exactly right. Count me in the 9%. Sad to say, but the 91% are stupid children.
Oct 8, 2008 - 7:49 am 12. Jim Baker:Are you happy with the way things are going? What things? Stupid questions invoke meaningless answers. This is how the media get information “to fill the air time between the car and cat food commercials.”
quote was from Charlton Heston.
Oct 8, 2008 - 7:54 am 13. nlcatter:when mccain needed to pick someone of substance like Romney
he picked a lite weight moronic Palin
Oct 8, 2008 - 8:16 am 14. Ron:At any given time, more than 9% of our citizens are hopelessly impaired by drugs or alcohol.
Oct 8, 2008 - 8:48 am 15. AJ:“The only thing I’m mad about are the voters. I can endure hard times. I just hate that they get so upset, then proceed to do something even stupider: not bother to learn what’s really going on. Honestly, how can anyone by this stage be so stupid as to be truly undecided?”
Exactly. NO ONE is undecided. This is a 21 month election season. Please.
Secondly, how are the millionaire liberals in their palaces upset? I make 26k per year and am happy I live in the freest, fairest, greatest nation on earth.
Are those billions who would move here in a heartbeat — or, like my wife, who have — angry? NO.
Oct 8, 2008 - 8:54 am 16. nowhining:Americans are STILL more fortunate than a large percentage of the world!
Oct 8, 2008 - 8:55 am 17. Robin Roberts:You are complaining with the white bread under the arm and the wide screen TV in the living room.
Come on guys, there are so many people in the world that is still looking up to America and wanting to live the American dream.
I am with that 9%
Happiness is a state of mind. I have a firm belief in God so I’m not particularly worried about worldly affairs. I am an unemployed single Dad with two teenage boys. God takes care of us so I have never been happier in my life. And no, I didn’t even apply for unemployment benefits; all we have is my military retirement that I earned over the course of 25 years.
Oct 8, 2008 - 8:56 am 18. David:Phil got it right - we’re a nation of whiners. Iraqis are happier than we are.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:05 am 19. nlcatter:living on only military retirement, sucking tax $, when you are able bodied is unpatriotic
OBL loves to hear of you.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:15 am 20. Bugs:” think people should have to pass a basic test to demonstrate any knowledge whatsoever of the current political situation and of the candidates running.”
Sounds like Jim Crow talking to me.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:17 am 21. geokster:nlcatter:
Please do not presume to tell us what we should have done. Had Romney been picked, you leftist trolls would have been all over his Mormonism and any other inconsequential nitpick your garbage-can sniffing lawyers could have dredged up.
You have no more interest in helping our side than Obama has in telling the truth about his past.
Does Soros pay you by the number of imbecillic posts you make on conservative, moderate and independent blogs, or do you give him a group rate discount? Is Pajamas your assigned target, or did Axelrod give you more sites to pollute in the memo with his talking points?
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:19 am 22. jb:Count me in the 9% too. I think this pole and the 91% is BS. I have GOD, my family and I live in the greatest country on earth no matter what the naysayers say.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:19 am 23. Whitehall:Hold on - I think things are going my way at the moment, at least economically. I’m one of the 9%.
I rent and sat on the side lines while watching the bubble puff up housing prices. I didn’t take an adjustable rate or teaser loan. I’ve leased for 9 years from another engineer who had to relocate. So I’m covering his fixed rate mortgage but I’m paying in rent about half the pre-tax payments on a comparable house. He’s put on a new roof, replaced the hot water heater, and bought a new microwave, at no extra cost to me.
Now, I’m waiting for some of those foreclosures in my neighborhood to bring house prices back in line with incomes. Plese let the market make the adjustments needed! The Fed just cut interest rates half a percent - that will eventually bring mortgage rates even lower. The mortgage broker assures me that there is
I do love to hear the candidates argue over who is more in favor of new nuclear power plants - I design those for a living and got a 50% raise this winter when I changed jobs - plus better benefits, longer vacation, nicer office, etc. There have been hard times but I stuck it out and how intend to reap the good ones.
So the politicians may AGAIN screw the pooch but so far, things are going my way. Guess ever dog has his day.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:26 am 24. John Dubya:Robin Roberts
Thank you for your service.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:28 am 25. gerryg:Polls are crap, mostly.
If you questioned conservatives, they’d be unhappy with McCain and terrified of the alternative.
If you questioned liberals, they’d be hearbroken and bleeding all over the place about American prestige abroad, the evil oil barons, etc., etc. Mr. Hopeychanginess might be a bright spot, but many are having anxieties about his unknowns now, too. fear of losing this election might be haunting them as well.
9% know we will emerge from this mess OK, with creative destruction building greater opportunities. If one doesn’t sell at a loss, after all, quality companies will revive with the cycle.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:45 am 26. Donna:I am just amazed at how many people are so tune into the presidency election. They seem to have forgotten that is only one slice of the pie. It is not the only one ballot we are casting come Nov. 4th. They are other ballot measures that we need to pay very close attention to. Most don’t take the time out to look over these measures to have a favourable opinion on how to vote. This always get downplayed by the presidency. Wake up America we can’t put the puzzle back together if the pieces don’t fit with one another. Don’t ignore the issues in your state that affects you.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:51 am 27. Cap'n Rusty:The question in the Gallup Poll was:
“In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?” Only 9% said yes.
The article you linked to shows that 61% felt that “Net economic problems” were the “most important problem,” but did not provide the exact wording of that follow-on question. Identifying the economy as the most important *problem* does not necessarily mean that the economy is the reason for their *dissatisfaction*.
I would submit that many, many people, for a long, long time, have become generally dissatisfied, if not utterly dismayed, with the way things are going in America as they have witnessed the decomposition of our cultural and moral values, the intrusion of government into the tiniest details of our lives, and the substitution of indoctrination for curriculum in our high schools and colleges.
Those who are satisfied with present conditions are probably the very same people who brought about this societal decline, or benefited from it. After all, about 9% of the population controls the media, the government, and the schools.
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:53 am 28. Robin Roberts:Mr. Dubya,
Oct 8, 2008 - 9:55 am 29. Rachel Peepers:You are welcome. It was my pleasure. It hurt at times but was worth it. The Lord was kind enough to only give me a 40% disability. It reminds me of all the parts that still work fine.
Respectfully,
Robin
If this election were a fair fight, you could put me down as being satisfied with the state of the nation.
But it’s not. And I’m mad.
I hate that the mainstream media sees it as its job to help defeat John McCain.
I hate it the way the Republicans and conservative talk radio allow liberals to almost always be the ones asking the questions at the debates.
Last night, Brokaw edited all the questions. And selected all the questions. He picked the type of questions and wording that Obama would be more comfortable with.
I know he edited the questions because the writing style was all the same. It was Brokaw’s. Which is almost as identifiable as a fingerprint.
There was a total of one question that resembled a softball for McCain. But that came at the end of the debate, and was intended to give the appearance of impartiality. To me, though, its presence rang hollow.
If the mainstream media reported bias free, McCain would be ahead by five percentage points.
If the debate moderators were half Republicans and half democrats, it also would make a huge difference.
In part, I blame Hannity and Rush for not having made a big issue of this before the debate process started. They dropped the ball.
Like Leninist philosophy, cheating and unfairness are part of the Democratic Party’s modus operandi. They’ll keep sticking the lying, cheating and unfairness bayonet in farther and farther until it encounters resistance.
From Pajamas Media, to conservative talk radio to others like Michelle Malkin and Hugh Hewitt, the debate cheating alarm bell has gone unrung.
As a result, McCain is being hung out to dry. And this election may very well, like the war in Iraq, go unwon.
Oct 8, 2008 - 10:10 am 30. myth buster:How can anyone still be undecided? Simple, they think both major candidates suck, and they haven’t the will or the knowledge to vote third party.
Oct 8, 2008 - 10:58 am 31. CR:I’m with Whitehall in that supposed 9%. I sat on the sidelines in my rented house, watching the housing market bubble without biting on any of the great looking loans offered up to me. I knew what was going on couldn’t last. Cripes, there were many popular TV shows about how to “flip that house”. One of my new neighbors tried to flip a house earlier this year and they now live in that house because it wouldn’t sell at the insane price they were asking. This year I’ve had a new air conditioner installed, a new microwave, and a new sprinkler system installed at no cost to me. My retirement and savings accounts are doing nicely and I won’t be working extra years, but then I moved out of fluctuating markets some time ago. I saw this coming as did others, and I prepared accordingly.
While I don’t think everything is hunky-dorey here in the USA, I do believe that we will prevail as we always do. I always have a positive view of America as a whole and I never believe the chicken-little crowd. The sky is not falling and we are not doomed. We are facing another challenge and we’ll do as we’ve always done. We’ll meet the challenge head-on and solve the problems, and we’ll be stronger for it.
Oct 8, 2008 - 11:29 am 32. Will:Here here, Tony
Oct 8, 2008 - 11:41 am 33. Rick Geiger:I’m one of the 9%. No things are not perfect, but we only get that in heaven. Here our job is to work to make things better for our families and our neighbors and our communities. And on that we have every opportunity in world to do.
The problem with the media is that they too often take the lazy man’s way of writing a story. It is always easier and less work to piss and moan about how terrible things are. When you identify a problem you have an obligation to at least attempt to identify a solutions. Negative thinking is one of the reasons that an empty suit like Obama has chance of being elected to the presidency.
Stop whinning about problems and start doing your part by changing what you do to make things better.
Oct 8, 2008 - 11:57 am 34. Marc Malone:mythbuster - lots of people think both candidates suck, but they still know in their hearts which one sucks most.
nlcatter - You’re out of bounds criticizing the retired military guy. He’s not sucking tax dollars. He’s living off his retirement money. Military guys get paid less than others, and they can’t serve 40 years, because fighting wars is a young man’s game, so to induce them to make a career of the military, we backload the pay with a decent, though not grand, retirement package. He earned that money!
Typical Lib, criticizing the military, because you never served. Don’t tell me you had, because if you had, you’d NEVER have said what you did.
Oct 8, 2008 - 12:48 pm 35. Old Wife:I am one of those in the 9%. Having said that, let me say that I have known better times and worse times. My hope does not rest in a president or a political party. I am happy to have food on the table, a roof over my head and warm clothing and shoes, much more than 95% of those living on the African continent.
Oct 8, 2008 - 1:13 pm 36. Sandy Salt:My children are all married to people who love them and their children have food on the table, a roof over their head and warm clothing and shoes.
We are used to having so much in this country that if our 401k’s are injured we scream. “throw the bums off the train” Stop it America. Be thankful for what you have and keep working and living free. We have so much that people from other nations take unbelievable chances to get into our country and bask in the leftovers of our society.
I’m with Marc on nlcatter’s stupidity over military retirement pay. I bet nlcatter thinks that putting your life on the line day in and day out doesn’t deserve our nations graditude. Here is someone that gave this country 25 years of their life, which means a lot of sacrifice for crappy pay, forced separation from their families and having to endure hardships that most of the crybaby 91% can’t even begin to understand.
Put me firmly in the 9% because I live in and serve the best country in the world. As for you 91%’s out there wake up and take you happy a$$ to some of the fun places around the globe and see if you are more happy there, may I suggest Somalia.
Oct 8, 2008 - 1:13 pm 37. kevin c:Im 53 years old and LAW ACADEMIA MEDIA AND POLITICS have been the DOMAIN OF THE COMMUNIST LEFT FOR MY WHOLE LIFE. THE MEDIA AND ACADEMIA HATED NIXON DURING MY YOUTH. THE MEDIA SIDED WITH COMMUNISTS AGAINST AMERICA DURING THE NAM YEARS. THE ACLU AND SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER HAVE SIDED WITH EVERY COMMUNIST ANTI-AMERICAN ANTI-CHRISTIAN EFFORT POSSIBLE. THE MEDIA AND ACADEMIA HATED REAGAN DURING THE 80S,SIDING WITH COMMUNIST FILTH LIKE ANDROPOV AND BREZNEV AND HAVING GORBASMS AT EVERY POSSIBLE TURN. THE MEDIA SIDED WITH THE COMMIE SANDANISTA ORTEGA AND WITH THE MOSLEM SCUMBAG KHADDAFY,ALLOWING THE GROWTH OF THE ISLAMIC CANCER.LAWYERS CONSISTENTLY TODAY ARE THE SINGLE BIGGEST COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE(DONT FORGET OBAMA WAS A LAWYER FOR COMMIE ACORN). BILL AYERS AND WARD CHURCHILL ARE THE RULE IN ACADEMIA,NOT THE EXCEPTION. AND THERE ARE AS MANY REPUB RINOS IN OFFICE AS THERE ARE COMMIERAT DEMRATS. REMEMBER THOSE FOUR-LAW,ACADMIA,MEDIA AND POLITICS-THE ENEMY WITHIN
Oct 8, 2008 - 2:45 pm 38. beck:I’m one of the 9%.(and yeah, I live in TX) I think happiness is a choice. If anyone here has a way to listen to Dennis Prager’s radio program, I highly recommend it. You can listen to it on line if you don’t get it on your local radio. He does an “happiness hour” that will inspire you to be happy. Check it out.
Oct 8, 2008 - 4:38 pm 39. Patterson:I’m one of the 9%
SGT Patterson
Oct 8, 2008 - 6:22 pm 40. thegr8_1:US Army
The 9% who are happy are Congress and their relatives and those they stick in plush government jobs along with corporate executives who have taken us to the cleaners. It is time to throw these people out, go directly to jail do not pass go do not collecct $20 million. If 91% are unhappy why can’t we get half these people together to vote in a new Congress? I don’t get the math. And Pelosi you illiterate moron stay away from DC we don’t need another of these stupid stimulus packages you know nothing about economics and have risen well above your level of incompetence.
Oct 8, 2008 - 6:24 pm 41. Michael E Brant:Rick, the 91% dissatisfied are unhappy with the way the Cubs played.
Oct 8, 2008 - 6:54 pm 42. zeppenwolf:>nlcatter:
>when mccain needed to pick someone of substance like Romney
>he picked a lite weight moronic Palin
Why do we have to wait for our comments to be moderated if garbage like “nlcatter” gets through?
He can’t speak in complete sentences, he can’t find the Shift key, he can’t use a period, and he can’t even relate to the topic even tangentially.
It’s a troll post, plain and simple: it has zero substance, doesn’t apply, and doesn’t advance legitimate debate whatsoever.
So what exactly *doesn’t* make it through the moderator?
Oct 8, 2008 - 7:43 pm 43. Granny3:Cap’n Rusty: “I would submit that many, many people, for a long, long time, have become generally dissatisfied, if not utterly dismayed, with the way things are going in America as they have witnessed the decomposition of our cultural and moral values, the intrusion of government into the tiniest details of our lives, and the substitution of indoctrination for curriculum in our high schools and colleges.”
Oct 8, 2008 - 8:32 pm 44. Marc Boyd:I totally agree with this statement, and this is why I would have answered the question in the negative. I hardly recognize the popular culture in this country anymore. I definitely don’t participate in it.
I am still proud to be American and am happy with my life. I am, however, very afraid for my children and grandchildren as I watch morality deteriorate before my eyes.
I must be part of the 9% who are pretty happy these days. I was forced to retire early in the previous layoff mania in the mid ’90s. Never could find an EE job here.
I still managed to pay off my 30 year loan on my house in Houston early, pay off my loan on my 16+ AC West of Houston, and build a small house there for us in the boonies.
I finally refurbished the Houston house and sold it into the peak market a couple of years ago.
My wife got laid off in March this year and is on unemployment insurance, only $300 a week or so.
She is looking, I am retired and investing, and we are doing well. I have no stress, she has less stress now, and we are enjoying life.
I didn’t get caught up in the 109″ TV mania and bigger house and fancy car crazyness. I actually saved money and invested it to get here.
Yup we are the 9% that are happy with our lives.
By design and planning, and execution.
All of our expenses now are only food, gasoline, Propane, electricity, insurance, medical, taxes, and discretionary items. Not a lot in total each month.
Obama, we are not bitter here, but we do cling to our religion, and our GUNS, lots of guns, HEH.
Oct 8, 2008 - 10:15 pm 45. John:So 91% are not happy with the direction of the country. Obama is not leading by that percentage so perhaps a large percent of that total are not happy that we are turning into the United Socialist States of Pagan America fast than you can say Karl Marx!!! The next question on the survey should be why are you not happy with the direction. I think if asked you will find that the narrative promoted by MSM that some how the 91% unsatisfied are somehow craving a more centralized leftist government run immoral world is pretty much BS.
Cheers
John
Oct 8, 2008 - 11:53 pm 46. Marc Malone:You go, Marc Boyd! Lots and lots of guns!
BWAHAHAHA!
Oct 9, 2008 - 1:09 am 47. SGT Ted:It is telling that the libtard is sneering at the retired vet. Hey nlcatbox, when you’ve served your nation for 25 years come on back and tell us about it. Until then put a sock in it.
Oct 9, 2008 - 9:39 am 48. Chaz:Methinks Rick you have found your answer, and it is here.
Oct 9, 2008 - 3:01 pm