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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>139. Marc Malone:

&quot;We are simply against the idea of government taking the money, and wasting it on some useless, destructive, socialist program.&quot;

It seems to me that one solution is to contact your Senator and Congressman and expose your views, preferably en masse.  That&#039;s what lobbyists do.  Politicians insulate themselves and we need to figure out how to be seriously heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>139. Marc Malone:</p>
<p>&#8220;We are simply against the idea of government taking the money, and wasting it on some useless, destructive, socialist program.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that one solution is to contact your Senator and Congressman and expose your views, preferably en masse.  That&#8217;s what lobbyists do.  Politicians insulate themselves and we need to figure out how to be seriously heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJM - Jeff&#039;s spamming again.  Can someone please boot him and delete his posts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJM &#8211; Jeff&#8217;s spamming again.  Can someone please boot him and delete his posts?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people don’t understand is why some of us are so against the current Republican ticket, but we have an obligation to fight against history of ever being repeated again. Many of us out here are not fighting for the Democratic campaign but are fighting against an ideology.

1) An ideology that completely mirrors the ideology of this past 8 years.
2) An ideology that recognizes the few while completely disregarding the masses.
3) An ideology that believes in taking military action against Iraq, an incident that is completely unrelated to 9/11, without solidifying our claims beforehand. In the present, we have found no evidence of weapons of mass destructions or a tie to Osama Bin Laden. The devastation of this war has cost us over 4,000 of our brave troops and counting, over 1/2 trillion dollars of taxpayer’s money and counting, and over 1 million Iraqi lives unrelated to the terrorists or insurgency.

Cost of the Iraq War — http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

4) An ideology that still believes that the Iraq War is the right war on terrorism when the Afghanistan War should had been the right war on terrorism, where Osama Bin Laden actually was until he slipped into the mountains and into Pakistan’s territory now. The Iraq War also diverted our attention away from the Afghanistan War. We now have extended our resources in two separate places and have heightened our risk to our troops, our expenses, and creating another dilemma that will take quite some time to finalize. The Iraq War will not go away overnight and it is now our obligation to see it all the way through for God knows how many more years. This has also been the most unpopular war in the eyes of the world’s communities.
5) An ideology that believes that we are at our safest state since 9/11, when a recent terrorist plot was still trying to enter Great Britain’s airports with liquid explosives heading directly to us, but thankfully the plot was foiled. While in Afghanistan, the terrorists are regrouping and strengthening and we have recently suffered another high casualty to our troops yet again within this past month. We currently have the least amount of alliances in the world’s communities due to this unpopular Iraq War. True national securities are the ties that bind us to our world’s communities and the ties that bind them to us.
6) An ideology that vetted one of the most inexperience VP ticket in history, from foreign policies to national defense. If God forbids that anything happens to this President if elected and is stricken with illness, this VP will be running the country. For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin’s VP readiness, please look at these links below —

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUHRv3ipLE

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/09/30/palin_gaffes/

7) An ideology that believes in “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” while we are facing the highest mortgage foreclosure crisis, high unemployment rate, and the largest collapse of our financial infrastructures since The Great Depression of 1929.

This is an ideology that many of us in America are against. Whether this ideology is in the Republican or Democratic ticket is not the main issue but the fact is that America does not want to fall into another 4 more years of devastation. We cannot afford this anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people don’t understand is why some of us are so against the current Republican ticket, but we have an obligation to fight against history of ever being repeated again. Many of us out here are not fighting for the Democratic campaign but are fighting against an ideology.</p>
<p>1) An ideology that completely mirrors the ideology of this past 8 years.<br />
2) An ideology that recognizes the few while completely disregarding the masses.<br />
3) An ideology that believes in taking military action against Iraq, an incident that is completely unrelated to 9/11, without solidifying our claims beforehand. In the present, we have found no evidence of weapons of mass destructions or a tie to Osama Bin Laden. The devastation of this war has cost us over 4,000 of our brave troops and counting, over 1/2 trillion dollars of taxpayer’s money and counting, and over 1 million Iraqi lives unrelated to the terrorists or insurgency.</p>
<p>Cost of the Iraq War — <a href="http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home</a></p>
<p>4) An ideology that still believes that the Iraq War is the right war on terrorism when the Afghanistan War should had been the right war on terrorism, where Osama Bin Laden actually was until he slipped into the mountains and into Pakistan’s territory now. The Iraq War also diverted our attention away from the Afghanistan War. We now have extended our resources in two separate places and have heightened our risk to our troops, our expenses, and creating another dilemma that will take quite some time to finalize. The Iraq War will not go away overnight and it is now our obligation to see it all the way through for God knows how many more years. This has also been the most unpopular war in the eyes of the world’s communities.<br />
5) An ideology that believes that we are at our safest state since 9/11, when a recent terrorist plot was still trying to enter Great Britain’s airports with liquid explosives heading directly to us, but thankfully the plot was foiled. While in Afghanistan, the terrorists are regrouping and strengthening and we have recently suffered another high casualty to our troops yet again within this past month. We currently have the least amount of alliances in the world’s communities due to this unpopular Iraq War. True national securities are the ties that bind us to our world’s communities and the ties that bind them to us.<br />
6) An ideology that vetted one of the most inexperience VP ticket in history, from foreign policies to national defense. If God forbids that anything happens to this President if elected and is stricken with illness, this VP will be running the country. For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin’s VP readiness, please look at these links below —</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUHRv3ipLE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUHRv3ipLE</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/09/30/palin_gaffes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/09/30/palin_gaffes/</a></p>
<p>7) An ideology that believes in “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” while we are facing the highest mortgage foreclosure crisis, high unemployment rate, and the largest collapse of our financial infrastructures since The Great Depression of 1929.</p>
<p>This is an ideology that many of us in America are against. Whether this ideology is in the Republican or Democratic ticket is not the main issue but the fact is that America does not want to fall into another 4 more years of devastation. We cannot afford this anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but a true Independent who believes in facts and really believes in learning the lessons of our history. 

So here is a simple fact for America -
1) During Ronald Reagan’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1981-1989, we were at our economic best in a quarter of a century. We made the right choice in these 8 years as a country.
2) During George H. W. Bush Sr.’s Presidency of 1 term, between 1989-1993, we were at our economic worst in a quarter of a century. We made a huge mistake as a country but corrected it by keeping him in office for only 1 term.
3) During Bill Clinton’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1993-2001, we were again at our economic best in a quarter of a century, even better than Reagan’s era. We made the right choice again in these 8 years as a country, despite his personal scandals.
4) Now, during George W. Bush Jr.’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 2001-this coming January 20, 2009; we have been at our economic worst in a quarter of a century, even worst than Bush Sr.’s era. We really made a huge mistake as a country on this one by not realizing that the apple really doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Yet we chose this apple again the second time around.

Now, really let this simple fact sink in America and take your time to think carefully this time around about how you want the direction of this country to go. 

We made history with Reagan. We then made a mistake with Bush Sr. but corrected history by allowing him to only serve 1 term. We then made history again with Clinton, despite his personal scandals. Now, we have made 2 mistakes with Bush Jr. by allowing him to serve not once, but twice. So my last question to America is, guess which candidate shares the interests of both, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.? I will let America answer this one. We are much, much smarter as a country to want to make history rather than make mistakes and to suffer yet again from our own mistakes by not using objectivity as our first and foremost agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but a true Independent who believes in facts and really believes in learning the lessons of our history. </p>
<p>So here is a simple fact for America -<br />
1) During Ronald Reagan’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1981-1989, we were at our economic best in a quarter of a century. We made the right choice in these 8 years as a country.<br />
2) During George H. W. Bush Sr.’s Presidency of 1 term, between 1989-1993, we were at our economic worst in a quarter of a century. We made a huge mistake as a country but corrected it by keeping him in office for only 1 term.<br />
3) During Bill Clinton’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1993-2001, we were again at our economic best in a quarter of a century, even better than Reagan’s era. We made the right choice again in these 8 years as a country, despite his personal scandals.<br />
4) Now, during George W. Bush Jr.’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 2001-this coming January 20, 2009; we have been at our economic worst in a quarter of a century, even worst than Bush Sr.’s era. We really made a huge mistake as a country on this one by not realizing that the apple really doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Yet we chose this apple again the second time around.</p>
<p>Now, really let this simple fact sink in America and take your time to think carefully this time around about how you want the direction of this country to go. </p>
<p>We made history with Reagan. We then made a mistake with Bush Sr. but corrected history by allowing him to only serve 1 term. We then made history again with Clinton, despite his personal scandals. Now, we have made 2 mistakes with Bush Jr. by allowing him to serve not once, but twice. So my last question to America is, guess which candidate shares the interests of both, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.? I will let America answer this one. We are much, much smarter as a country to want to make history rather than make mistakes and to suffer yet again from our own mistakes by not using objectivity as our first and foremost agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vivo - I agree.  The steaks only get so thick.  It begs the question of why, in general, those on the left give so little to charity as compared to those on the right... especially when you get down to the lower income levels.  You&#039;re preaching to the choir.  We on the right are truly generous in spirit and deed.  Maybe that&#039;s because we go to church (or temple) far more than those on the left.

  We are simply against the idea of government taking the money, and wasting it on some useless, destructive, socialist program.  When we are taxed more, we have less available for charitable giving or investing.  It&#039;s what happens when you tax away our disposable income.  And like &quot;Joe&quot; says, we don&#039;t want to benefit, either, from Obama&#039;s redistribution.  Does that make us so bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vivo &#8211; I agree.  The steaks only get so thick.  It begs the question of why, in general, those on the left give so little to charity as compared to those on the right&#8230; especially when you get down to the lower income levels.  You&#8217;re preaching to the choir.  We on the right are truly generous in spirit and deed.  Maybe that&#8217;s because we go to church (or temple) far more than those on the left.</p>
<p>  We are simply against the idea of government taking the money, and wasting it on some useless, destructive, socialist program.  When we are taxed more, we have less available for charitable giving or investing.  It&#8217;s what happens when you tax away our disposable income.  And like &#8220;Joe&#8221; says, we don&#8217;t want to benefit, either, from Obama&#8217;s redistribution.  Does that make us so bad?</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>136. Marc Malone:

&quot;vivo - Keep a couple million? Um, the threshold is far below that. 250k/yr is rich, per Obama. You’ll never get to a couple million.&quot;

There are many ways to earn and keep a great fortune.  Look at the poster boys Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Oprah, etc.  The idea is that you can just eat so much, drive so much, f*ck so much, travel so much, live so much so that you can help others with your excess fortune.  Why should I keep huge amounts of cash sitting in secret accounts?  

Of course, besides giveaways, there is always investment in worthwhile industries, businesses and causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>136. Marc Malone:</p>
<p>&#8220;vivo &#8211; Keep a couple million? Um, the threshold is far below that. 250k/yr is rich, per Obama. You’ll never get to a couple million.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are many ways to earn and keep a great fortune.  Look at the poster boys Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Oprah, etc.  The idea is that you can just eat so much, drive so much, f*ck so much, travel so much, live so much so that you can help others with your excess fortune.  Why should I keep huge amounts of cash sitting in secret accounts?  </p>
<p>Of course, besides giveaways, there is always investment in worthwhile industries, businesses and causes.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vivo - Keep a couple million?   Um, the threshold is far below that.  250k/yr is rich, per Obama.  You&#039;ll never get to a couple million.  If you are old enough to have lived through the Carter years, you&#039;ll know what I&#039;m saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vivo &#8211; Keep a couple million?   Um, the threshold is far below that.  250k/yr is rich, per Obama.  You&#8217;ll never get to a couple million.  If you are old enough to have lived through the Carter years, you&#8217;ll know what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>134. RE:

Not at all.  By paying some taxes, yes.  I&#039;m talking like if I have 20 or $200 million, I&#039;ll be happy to keep a couple of million and share the rest (after taxes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>134. RE:</p>
<p>Not at all.  By paying some taxes, yes.  I&#8217;m talking like if I have 20 or $200 million, I&#8217;ll be happy to keep a couple of million and share the rest (after taxes).</p>
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		<title>By: RE</title>
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		<dc:creator>RE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>133. vivo

But aren&#039;t you arguing that it&#039;s Obama that should determine &#039;your need&#039;?  Because  in voting for Obama, you are forfeiting your right to make that call yourself.  The government will do it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>133. vivo</p>
<p>But aren&#8217;t you arguing that it&#8217;s Obama that should determine &#8216;your need&#8217;?  Because  in voting for Obama, you are forfeiting your right to make that call yourself.  The government will do it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>123. RE:

&quot;You are free to write a check at any time, vivo. Go for it.&quot;

You need to wait, I said &quot;If I had more money than I need&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>123. RE:</p>
<p>&#8220;You are free to write a check at any time, vivo. Go for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You need to wait, I said &#8220;If I had more money than I need&#8221;.</p>
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