Frustrated Conservative Base Itching to Take Off the Gloves
There is a groundswell of anger.
Here are a gathering of quotes from various columns that have caught my eye over the last few days:
“Improving the party’s image is a worthy cause, but it isn’t what Republicans ought to be emphasizing right now. They have a more important mission: to be the party of no. And not just a party that bucks Obama and Democrats on easy issues like releasing Gitmo terrorists in this country, but one committed to aggressive, attention-grabbing opposition to the entire Obama agenda.” — Fred Barnes
“Instead of continuing to complain, here’s a better idea. Why don’t conservatives do opposition research on the journalists endlessly running stories about Bristol Palin and Joe the Plumber? Have they ever been arrested? Whom do they own property with? Have they ever been paid to do a speech for someone and then run a favorable news story about him? Certainly Keith Olbermann’s personal life is just as newsworthy as Joe the Plumber’s, and the details of Maureen Dowd’s life are just as noteworthy as those of Bristol Palin — are they not?” — John Hawkins
“Smart people like Newt Gingrich, Dick Morris and Karl Rove are noticing the chinks in the Democrats’ armor. They look formidable with huge margins in the House and Senate and a popular president at the other end of Pennsylvania Ave. Still, they’re pushing stunningly unpopular legislation that’s giving the Republicans something to exploit.”– Let Freedom Ring
“Democrats have nothing to fear from today’s Republican Party leaders. That’s why Democrats have taken to targeting Rush Limbaugh and others who aren’t in formal leadership positions in the GOP but who forcefully articulate a conservative vision.” — American Power
“I’m tired of Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Tom Ridge, and the rest of them. I’m tired of the pontificating. I’m tired of the holier-than-thou bearing. I’m tired of the self-important smugness. Most of all, I’m tired of losing big elections and being lectured by the losers about how to win. And I’d just like to say this to moderates feelings tweaked in the current Grand Old Party: get over it.” — Melissa Clouthier
These quotes are reflective of a groundswell of anger. Label it as you will, but the call among the GOP rank and file to take the gloves off and hit back at the Democrats and the supposedly “moderate” Republican leadership is getting louder. And the desire to take back the Republican Party from those who have so compromised it is growing to the point where even the pundits are starting to echo the call.
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1. Blackwater:I’m itching for a fight. I’m ready to standup for the Republican party and the conservative movement and to get just as aggressive and ruthless as the leftists who call us facists, racists and all kinds of other disgusting BS. There’s no 2nd place in politics and the stakes are too high. We have to take back the government in 2010 and 2012 if we want to prevent socialism and America turning into a grotesgue failed clone of socialist Europe. We need to get the incompetent Republican morons out of congress so we can actually win votes again. For God sakes we’re getting destroyed by the likes of Nancy Freaking Pelosi, Harry Retreat Reid and Barrack Saddam Hussein Obama. What a disgrace.
May 14, 2009 - 2:05 am 2. Ed Wallis:AND the sooner the better!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/still_the_biggest_missing_stor.html
EXCERPT:
Seventy-four percent of Republicans are both social and fiscal conservatives. Ninety-one percent of Republicans are fiscal conservative. And seventy-seven percent of Republicans are social conservatives. Any effort to change the Republican brand ought to begin with that dramatic fact.”
May 14, 2009 - 3:14 am 3. Yael:The big mistake of Republican leadership is thinking that going through the motions of listening to their “base” is the same thing as actually listening to the base. They keep trying to drag us to where they think we should be instead of joining us where we are. If they continue to be clueless in this crisis, we will have no use for them in 2010. “Anything but a Democrat” is not a sufficient platform.
May 14, 2009 - 4:28 am 4. RandyChandler:What I’m sensing is a deep desire for a clean break from the GOP. Conservatives who feel betrayed by their party aren’t eager to creep back into that tattered circus tent. The GOP has been tainted by years of effective leftwing attacks and by its own fiscal record.
If ever a viable third-party of conservatives is going to rise up from the rubble, now would seem the ideal time. I for one certainly hope it does.
May 14, 2009 - 4:30 am 5. cedarhill:We need the Next Generation. The last time John McCain got anyone excited was when he pushed amnesty. McCain, Gingrich, that guy from MA – let them write books and complain about things and offer sound bites. We need the next generation. Sarah Palin works. Anyone that’s like her.
I will never, ever, nada support the McCains of the world other than as a supporting cast with a bit part. Ditto for Colin Powell and not even as a bit part.
We need another round of spirit ala the old Johnny Tremain movie. Time to work for liberty and freedom. Just give us someone that walks the walk and can talk the talk.
May 14, 2009 - 4:31 am 6. Steve:Well done Erik!
John Hawkins has been at the front of this issue and deserves a lot of credit. I agree with him that digging into the backgrounds of those who attack us would very intimidating and also very effective.
Its time to abandon those who don’t have the courage to approach this for what it is – a war.
No McCains, Romneys, Newts or Bushes. Throw them all out.
Its time to go to war with the Left. They are already at war with us. We have to be meaner and tougher than them if we ever excpect to defeat this evil.
May 14, 2009 - 4:35 am 7. Douglas:One of the reasons for the success of the left is it’s ability, with the help of the media, to “assassinate” any conservative who appears to be an effective leader. George Allen is an example. How do conservatives combat that? 0bama had too many skeletons for one closet, but his base didn’t care. Are we to critical of leaders? Winston Churchill was not perfect, but he was effective.
May 14, 2009 - 4:37 am 8. Craig:I agree, politics is a blood sport. I’ve had my gloves off for over 4 years. Let’s clear the party of the pantywaisted RINOs and quit effin’ APOLOGIZING for everything.
May 14, 2009 - 4:49 am 9. Paul -Indiana:Part of the effort should be for the 42% of the electorate who did not vote last time, to get off their butts and VOTE. There is no such thing as ‘they’re just alike’. McCain was not my preference, but Obambi was so obviously the wrong person for the presidency that it was a no-brainer.
May 14, 2009 - 5:10 am 10. BPT (Australia):It is interesting how the Democrat-majority media is attacking the “dead conservative” movement. People don’t dig up bodies and spit on them if they truly think they are dead. I say they are scared – and that’s a good thing.
May 14, 2009 - 5:12 am 11. Juke:I would love to see the day when McCain, Graham & Rove are all considered “back benchers”.
We need more Tancrado’s, Sessions’, & by God Buchanan’s
May 14, 2009 - 5:19 am 12. Old Soldier:I’m ready to fight. I saw a whole lot of other people at the Teaparty ready too. I don’t want back-slapping get-along GOP types like Charlie Crist, Lindsey Graham, Lamar Alexander, and Mitt Romney. I want Conservative believers.
May 14, 2009 - 5:20 am 13. NewHavenette:Out here in liberal la-la-land we conservatives (and our children in school!) are disrespected, abused, maligned, derided, and ridiculed. Yes, it’s time for the “leadership” to hold their heads high and stand up for traditional conservative beliefs, values, and standards. We need help!
May 14, 2009 - 5:28 am 14. Lucy:I got an email from the GOP this morning asking for money to fight ACORN. I wrote back and asked them where they were last year when I knew how dangerous ACORN was and we didn’t hear a peep out of them. Stop asking for money and come out swinging against those who are quite easily taking our country to the hard left. I have nothing but disdain for the Republican Party now. Across the board they failed us and this country.
May 14, 2009 - 5:33 am 15. Meryl:Isn’t it interesting that simply stating the truth and articulating common sense is described as “taking off the gloves.”
If nothing else, that sure tells us how far astray we’ve gone in trying to be nice while being led by moderate incompetents.
This is one disconnect I see in the liberals hysterical responses to increasing free speech from the conservatives.
They freak out and act like we are standing in front of their homes every day at noon, screaming invectives and curses at them (which is what they do in the public square)…..when all we are doing is SPEAKING CLEARLY. They just aren’t accustomed to us speaking at ALL!
We are INSISTING on speaking our thoughts. THAT is what is intolerable to them.
May 14, 2009 - 5:55 am 16. jimpres:I feel we are at war and have no weapons to fight with. All talk and no action.
May 14, 2009 - 5:58 am 17. Boris:Good grief, someone thinks Dick Morris is smart? Are you kidding? No doubt Gingrich and Rove are smart–even though I disagree with them. But Morris? He’s always got toes on his mind apparently.
Anyway, keep attacking moderates. That’s a brilliant strategy. You’re sure to win congress back in less than two years.
May 14, 2009 - 6:01 am 18. Fantom:For one thing, do not send money to the RNC, until they do two things. First , close our primaries. We had democrats voting for McLaim fer #$ sakes.
Second the RNC needs to quit funding such as Arlen Spector.
Until I see those two things happening I will send my contributions directly to real Republicans throughout America.
May 14, 2009 - 6:08 am 19. A. Far:Fight like hell! I’m not a whipped, pussy-footed, weak-kneed moderate. I say what I believe. Hurray for Carrie Prejean, Miss California. A role model for Americans celebrating our first amendments. The American Constitution is not just for terrorists and detainees anymore!!
May 14, 2009 - 6:09 am 20. 8 My Foot:I would love to see the Republican Party take off the gloves. Maybe it’s coming. I hope so.
May 14, 2009 - 6:12 am 21. AThinkingPerson:Can’t add anything to this besides… AMEN!! It’s time to take back the USA before it’s rendered unrecognizable.
May 14, 2009 - 6:25 am 22. Middleman:Blithering blowhards set to become more ruthless blithering blowhards. How cute.
May 14, 2009 - 6:26 am 23. sheesh:Yeah! And the Tea parties were just the beginning.
By the way, I think I’ve found somebody to step into that leadership vacuum at the front of the Republican/conservative movement . . . Michael P. Leahy . . . and the P stands for “Patriot.”
Don’t know him? You will . . . National Tea Party organizer, Top Conservatives on Twitter cofounder and TCOTReport.com publisher Michael P. Leahy has, over the past 16 years, amassed nearly $150,000 in state and federal tax liens, small claims court judgments and civil suits.
Sounds like Joe the Palin has a rival. Your problem is you have TOO DARN MANY great people out there making the case for a return to radical conservatism – Rush, Dick, Newt, Karl, Sarah, and now Michael – wow. Rush and Newt can tackle the gay marriage issue – they got seven marriages between em, so they know all about family values. Dick can shoot a few more good Republicans in the face to represent the 2nd Amendment movement. Karl can lead the charge for honesty and transparency in campaigning. Sarah can be in charge of science and engineering in rebuilding our national infrastructure. And of course now we have Michael Leahy to lead the outrage of good, honest, hard-working taxpayers. All you need is a cardboard cutout of Reagan and you’re all set.
I’d offer up Sean Hannity but he’s busy hiding from Keith Olberman. Good luck.
May 14, 2009 - 6:27 am 24. The Shadow:I want more of Cheney. Get him on every day! Attack all those like Crist and Christy who have cashed in their credential as wingnuts. Rise up wingnuts!
May 14, 2009 - 6:31 am 25. sheesh:18 the shadow. Absolutely right – more Cheney. The best strategy right now is to have the Republicans look like a bunch of Dicks.
May 14, 2009 - 6:40 am 26. txgramma:I agree, it’s time to take the gloves off. The GOP is still pandering to independents who they think are moderates. They are wrong. I became a Republican because of the abortion issue first. I am not 100% conservative. If the GOP doesn’t get on board they will only help a 3rd party swell.
May 14, 2009 - 6:42 am 27. Bruce:“the current GOP leadership … have been conducting open warfare on the GOP grassroots.”
You bet they have! And it’s time the conservative nutroots pickete THEIR houses and scared THEIR children like the ACORN-ers do to the Wall Street Masters of the Universe.
Tear down the pary, rename it and integrate with the Liberarians.
May 14, 2009 - 6:43 am 28. RunningDogLackey:Well, looks like the anger is real. Too bad the prospects of a conservative return-to-power are so slender and remote.
Anger and visibility have never helped conservatives, as we are reminded every time Dick Cheney manifests out of a cloud of smoke and sparks to defend the criminal excesses to which nationalism and moral absolutism inevitably lead. Conservatives have no leaders, only demagogues — since, out of any mouth but Reagan’s, conservatism sounds like the dangerous combination of insecurity, belligerence, paranoia, nostalgia and magical-thinking it actually is…not so much the beckoning Bell of Liberty as the buzzer in a Skinner-box full of frightened mice.
Angry conservatives are the easiest to beat. So, by all means, get real crazy and make sure there are cameras around.
May 14, 2009 - 6:47 am 29. sheesh:18. Fantom . . . “First , close our primaries . . . Second the RNC needs to quit funding such as Arlen Spector . . . Until I see those two things happening I will send my contributions directly to real Republicans.”
Amen, brother. It’s people like you, good, solid, in-the-know conservatives who are the future of our future. Never let anybody tell you that you’re out of touch or behind the curve in political analysis. No, in fact, you represent the best of what conservatism has to offer. Have you considered running for senate? I hope you live in Pennsylvania. We could use you up here.
Everybody, I’ve just added Fantom to the list . . . like I said, TOO DARN MANY good leaders in the conservative movement.
May 14, 2009 - 6:51 am 30. elvis:The gloves are off…
May 14, 2009 - 6:53 am 31. Eric Florack:Done with he BS!
Done with the media…. and done with liberalism.
Liberals are afraid to die…. I’m not!
I note with some interest, the confirmation in the comments of the pattern noted by the folks I quoted in the piece; The left will attack with mindless abandon, anyone who stands up for real conservatism. Almost certainly, a fear-driven reaction.
Interesting.
May 14, 2009 - 7:04 am 32. RandyChandler:RunningDogLackey, the mushroom cloud of “magical-thinking” is roiling the firmament above Obama’s enconomic apocalypse. If there is anything left of the nation by the time the Obamacrats are done, the survivors will be begging rational conservatives to save them.
May 14, 2009 - 7:06 am 33. Will:Republicans will never save the party by leaning to the left. All that would do is take us to a one party government,which ends up a dictatorship. We need the two party system.
May 14, 2009 - 7:08 am 34. Bilgeman:Have you “downsized” any Democrats this week?
“Darned tax hikes and credit interest rate hikes, Bob, we have to make some cuts, and you’re the odd man out.
Don’t feel bad, though, when the “carbon cap and trade” stuff drives our electric bills up, it looks like we’ll be having to let a whole bunch of others go, so you’ll have a head start on looking for another job.
Oh, and Bob, you might want to scrape that Obama ‘08 sticker off of your minivan…just sayin’”.
May 14, 2009 - 7:12 am 35. Leberty and Freedom:My one complaint about the tea parties is that they seemed to be focused only on the Feds. Conservatives should be fighting mad about the continual loss of freedoms from the feds, states, counties, city governments and all the government and non government agencies that impose endless laws and regulations and fees on us.
Our state passed over 800 laws last year but didn’t repeal one. This has gone on for years. The law books keep getting thicker.
How about a 2-for-one law. For every law they want to pass, they have to take 2 off the books.
We need to clean house from the bottom up.
Lead and fight or get out of the way and keep your powder dry! (If you can find powder)
May 14, 2009 - 7:20 am 36. AThinkingPerson:Isn’t it odd that Cheney was right all along about NOT releasing the interrogation pictures and now TeleBama has flip-flopped and done exactly what Cheney asked him to do? Hmmm….
Funny how Cheney drives the Left batty. Gotta love that man. It’s too bad the Left doesn’t have anyone of that caliber on their side. The democrats consist of liars, tax-cheats and D-list comedians. Any wonder they’re running the US into the poor house? I’m not surprised.
May 14, 2009 - 7:22 am 37. Liberty & Freedom:Yes, I do know how to spell liberty!
May 14, 2009 - 7:24 am 38. Eric Florack:15. Meryl:
That’s an important point,and I’m glad you brought it. But see, that’s what it’s come down to, IMV. We see, even in this thread of comments, the kind of reax we’re going to get for clearly and forcefully articulating our views… a duty we have shrunk from for far too long. And trust me when I tell you, that ‘taking the gloves off’ will be a far more accurate description by the time 2012 rolls around, because what we’re seeing here will get that much the worse by then.
May 14, 2009 - 7:27 am 39. Sebastian Shaw:Republicans have to leave the wishy-washy moderate stance behind & embrace their Conservative ideals; they must not back down against the tide of the MSM & the arrogant Socialists. However, the Republicans ideas must be loaded with action–not just words. Words must be bond. They have to be serious about small government & pro-Capitalism.
The base is growing thanks to the Tea Parties. The Republicans needs to get the blinders off in Washington DC.
May 14, 2009 - 7:33 am 40. Eric Florack:@#35 AThinkingPerson:
Well, exactly.
And you know, I mentioned this in a previous article, where I suggested that in the end, Obama would end up vindicating Bush Policies in the WOT:
Cheney is doing what Reagan did… Remember, folks.. Reagan didn’t win Democrats and independents over by leaning left. He won them over by the force of his conservative arguments. Cheney is doing the same thing, as you point up. And as has been pointed up by several pundits, he’s winning that argument.
May 14, 2009 - 7:35 am 41. ChipD:Good strategy!
For the 52% of Americans who voted against the GOP, and especially the millions of former Republicans and moderate conservatives who left the party in disgust, instead of engaging us in a dialogue, you prefer to shout at us and tell us how stupid we are.
This will surely entice us to return to your party!
May 14, 2009 - 7:38 am 42. G Alston:#30 Eric Florack — …The left will attack with mindless abandon, anyone who stands up for real conservatism.
Except you’re not being attacked by the left. You’re hearing from mainstream republicans (i.e. those who aren’t statist “social conservatives”) and are unable to discern a difference. Who’s out of touch here again?
May 14, 2009 - 7:41 am 43. Juvenal:It’s no coincidence that these miserable nickel-per-post hacks are swarming into the comments section here.
Florack has it right: They afraid that we’ll steal their strategy of returning to the base. They know it’ll work even better for us than it did for them.
If these idiots didn’t have scrounging for George Soros’s peanuts to fall back on, they’d have to take their B.A.s in political science or philosophy to Sonic Drive-In and be fitted for a pair of roller skates. Ultimately, it’s an honest day’s work that they really fear.
May 14, 2009 - 7:42 am 44. Question:Can anyone tell me if TARP and stimulus money can be used for campaign contributions?
May 14, 2009 - 7:46 am 45. billslayer:The lowest form of stupidity is weakness in the face of aggression. Remember that these people are fundamentally weak. They are talking very tough right now. They have almost unanimous media backup. The only thing to do right now is speak the truth to them. When they say something-anything positive about the current turds in power look them straight in the eye and say, “F*ck that tent revival con man.”
May 14, 2009 - 7:47 am 46. G Alston:#35 — Isn’t it odd that Cheney was right all along about NOT releasing the interrogation pictures and now TeleBama has flip-flopped and done exactly what Cheney asked him to do? Hmmm…
Depends on how you look at it. If Obama went full speed ahead and was wrong, he’d be dumped on by you for being headstrong and not listening to wiser voices. On the other hand if he reviews the facts and decides an earlier position was incorrect, he’s a weak minded flip flopper.
I didn’t vote for the guy, but I’m willing to entertain the idea that he’s intelligent enough to learn some things as he goes along.
There’s a joke about the pope visiting Bush on the presidential yacht whereupon he loses his cap; Bush calmly walks across the water to retrieve it. Next day the NYT headline is BUSH CAN’T SWIM! What you’re doing isn’t any different.
May 14, 2009 - 7:50 am 47. Fred Beloit:The meme Obama is using as the reason for his wanting the photos back in the vault is bogus. He says “the generals” tell him the releasing the photos would harm our troops. This implies: (1) That our enemies treat our troops well now, or relatively well. This is BS. The enemy is trying to kill our troops every day. (2)If a soldier or marine is captured now, they are treated relatively well. Notice this, how many American military are now the prisoners of the enemy? You don’t know? Neither do I. Perhaps the answer is zero. If that is the case it is surely because they are killed shortly after capture.
I suppose the case could be made that the people in the Mid-East will be easier for us to work with without the photos being released. If that is the reason, why not just say so? It’s not that they don’t release all kinds of other info that gives aid and comfort to the enemy.
May 14, 2009 - 7:51 am 48. bobbcat:2. Ed Wallis: Excerpt from his linked article above: Seventy-four percent of Republicans are both social and fiscal conservatives. Ninety-one percent of Republicans are fiscal conservative. And seventy-seven percent of Republicans are social conservatives. Any effort to change the Republican brand ought to begin with that dramatic fact.” Another noteworthy excerpt:…wenty-three percent of Democrats, almost one in four, describe themselves as both social conservative and fiscal conservative. Forty-seven percent of Democrats describe themselves as fiscal conservatives, and thirty-four percent of Democrats describe themselves as social conservatives. Fifty-eight percent of Democrats consider themselves either a fiscal conservative or a social conservative or both.
One has to wonder why the Republican Party has so much trouble getting traction in a country that is so obviously center-right to right. Yes, the MSM poses itself as a huge obstacle, but it’s up to the Pubs to hone their leadership skills, including the vital communications and marketing skills to help get their message out there to the point of drowning out all the BS that continually comes from the leftist media outlets. It’s utterly ridiculous how so many of these people who line themselves up as fiscal conservatives (AWA social conservatives to boot) wind up voting for the other side. It has got to stop or our country is going to wind up resembling Great Britain and Canada. Yikes.
May 14, 2009 - 7:51 am 49. savage24:Everytime you think you have the GOP’s attention, they throw you a curve ball. They are dragging out another RINO for the Flordia senate race because he is popular.It seems that values mean very little to the GOP.
May 14, 2009 - 7:57 am 50. bobbcat:40. ChipD:For the 52% of Americans who voted against the GOP, and especially the millions of former Republicans and moderate conservatives who left the party in disgust, instead of engaging us in a dialogue, you prefer to shout at us and tell us how stupid we are.Yes, the party needs to stop eating its own. Right now the focus should be on how to defeat the Democrats in the arena of ideas and policies. What the party needs are strong leaders who are willing to go out there and sound the drumbeat very loudly about what the policies being forged by this administration and Capitol Hill are going to do to this country. Getting all hung up on this and that about the moderates versus the conservatives will only serve to undermine this vital mission. What good does it do to be standing on some sort of moral high ground, espousing a list of cherished values when you have lost most, if not all, your liberty due to losing out on the battle for the country you thought was being run according to our Constitution? The fight should be focused on the other side; this should be the priority. We need to be the ones leading the country, and we need to be doing everything possible to attain that goal. Fighting amongst ourselves is not going to get us there.
May 14, 2009 - 8:00 am 51. EnemyoftheState:Yes, it is past time to get off the defensive posture and go on the offensive. It’s time to root out corruption at all levels of government, preferably by the ballot or other legal means. I hear you all saying it’s time to get rid of our party’s weak-kneed inoffensive leaders in favor of some strong aggressive warriors. Yes! Yes! Yes!
But do not divide your forces. Let’s find a strong leader and UNITE behind him. We do not want a repeat of the 1992 presidential election when votes cast for Ross Perot and other good men took votes away from George H. W. Bush and allowed Bill Clinton to win the election.
Remember Benjamin Franklin’s colonial chopped up rattlesnake image: “Unite or Die!” True then true now.
May 14, 2009 - 8:10 am 52. Self-hating Boomer:The trick isn’t being pi$$ed off. The trick is getting the hope-a-dopes who are still stoned on hopium to realize how severely they’re getting screwed. That’s in the hands of the administration, and so far, they’ve been doing a fine job. The problem is that this hopium is such potent stuff. Many people are going to have to get screwed tangibly and severely before they finally put the hopium bong down.
May 14, 2009 - 8:12 am 53. Lost Plot:No Is Not Negative!
No tax cheats.
No pork spending.
No cuts in defense spending.
No class warfare.
The above is what my Tea Party sign said. Yep! I believe in the party of No.
No more will I be quite! The Dems control the House, Senate and the WH. Until
May 14, 2009 - 8:18 am 54. TennesseeVolunteer:2010, we only have our voice to use against the socialist machine. I will
support any one who has the guts to speak out against the machine.
Thank you, Cheney, Rush, Rove, Sanford, Perry, Coburn, Inhofe and any others I have forgot.
What a great article and great group of posters. we are finding our voice and they are losing their nerve (not releasing interrogation pictures).
May 14, 2009 - 8:21 am 55. Bilgeman:Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!
#40 ChipD:
” and especially the millions of former Republicans and moderate conservatives who left the party in disgust, instead of engaging us in a dialogue, you prefer to shout at us and tell us how stupid we are.
This will surely entice us to return to your party!”
Oh, no, friend, you’ve got it exactly backwards. It’s YOUR party.
It was conservatives who stayed home and opted not to vote for “Senator McMaverick the Moderate”
see?
And Conservatives won’t have to entice a blessed thing…two years of Obamapolicies are going to drive people away from your threadbare Moderate banner.
Your base is eroding rightwards. You might pick up a few Blue Dog-type Democrats, but I suspect that that won’t make up for the legions of voters who decide that they want a real antidote to the poison and choose the conservative agenda.
Obama’s actions so far has removed the main weapon he had in attacking the Bush legacy, opposition to the war in Iraq, Guantanamo, and the PATRIOT Act. His administration is still doing all those things.
It all belongs to him, now.
And his domestic spending agenda is manifestly a catastrophe waiting to fall upon an existing disaster.
The economy is his, too.
So what’s his “hole card” going to be THIS time?
ACORN and the Legacy Media? Blaming Bush?
Think there’ll be any traction with that action?
Don’t hold your breath.
May 14, 2009 - 8:22 am 56. woodman40:One good place to start is an “Army of Davids” using the ‘Net to do Opposition Research. I’m trying to recruit a few people in my state to target Demorats in Congress. You know they’re dirty, the trick is to find out where. Get friends and show up at every public appearance with a video cam. Scour the Web. Use the WayBackMachine to find stuff that got shoved down the memory hole. Use the FOIA. Cultivate contacts in their offices as sources of gossip and chatter. Be sympathetic, a friendly ear to listen to their troubles. Appoint somebody who doesn’t wear a foil hat to be your case officer.
Even if it is only, “His sister is a known thespian” or “The candidate masticates daily”, “He was known to have matriculated at college”; water and wind can erode rock given enough time. We want them looking over their shoulders.
Hyperbole Follows: Run them like you’re a pack of wolves. Go for the vulnerable ones, rip their throats out, feast on their livers. Scatter their herd in fear.
Take as your Mission Statement this from Conan the Barbarian:
Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Remember there is always a news droid at some down market local TV station looking to move up, get their teeth fixed and, maybe, a set of bolt on boobs.
May 14, 2009 - 8:25 am 57. TOhio:I don’t know any social conservatives who would vote for a pro-life, anti same-sex marriage Marxist/Socialist
The divide between social conservatism and fiscal conservatism is a lie being perpetrated by Democrats in order to divide Republicans. Republicans don’t vote only on one issue (without any care about everything else), Democrats do.
1. The conservative anger is real. At the heart of it is Fiscal Conservatism, which is why the Tea Parties were so successful.
2. The RNC needs to push out Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins who voted for the Porkulus Bill. This would be a good first step in showing a true commitment to conservatism. (Arlen Specter is already gone- thank goodness!)
3. We need to actively to boycott the Democratic Party brainwashing media machines – National Brainwashing Corporation (NBC), the Communist News Network (CNN) and all of the other brainwashing media organizations the control – ABC, CBS, and MSNBC
May 14, 2009 - 8:29 am 58. Eric Florack:@ 51. EnemyoftheState:
Let me propose something radical to you.
Conservatives tend not to follow. That in fact is a fundamental difference between Conservatives and liberals. Liberals follow. Conservatives do not, tending more to independence.
I suggest that the solution here is not falling in behind one leader or another. The solution is their falling in behind US, the rank and file of the GOP. The Conservative base.
May 14, 2009 - 8:31 am 59. WhyamInotsurprised?:A good start for me would be to get ACORN disqualified to have any role with the next census. Why don’t our representatives investigate the procurement side of this. Did BHO get competitive bids for this work? What are the requirements? Where is the RFP? This kind of travesty should be easy to attack as a first step. Once we bloody someone, maybe we will like the taste of a small, but important victory. That will generate excitement and before long most things that are going down will be brought into the light.
I keep asking myself, how in the world does a President-elect become a tyrant? No one seems to be standing up to him and his cronies. Much of what is happening is devoid of law. They, Dems/Libs keep saying we have to act now, it is an emergency. The result, no one gets time to read legislation that fills volumes. Such a sham and Congress goes along. Just voting NO is not enough. Where are the protests, lawsuits, press conferences? I’m tired of hearing that not one republican voted for this or that legislation. Where are the guts, the fire, the willingness to stand out and call a foul, a FOUL? To get in their faces!?
Take out the foot soldiers. Take out ACORN. They are not government employees and have no skills related to conducting a fair and thorough canvassing for developing a statistically accurate census which leads to many critical appropriations and other key decisions.
We need someone to keep a scorecard of ACORN’s accused actions, voter fraud, buying votes, etc. and where these cases stand. How many wind up with convictions? Who are the judges involved? Are they doing a good job applying the law? Get their names in the public eye. Shine the light, nice and bright, all day long, in every crack and under every rock so that these people are not in control of such a vital function.
We are not talking here about acting like the jerks that liberals are. What we are talking about is fighting back with the tools we have, and while some may feel uneasy about stretching the bounds of what is acceptable, we have to keep in mind what is at stake.
The FUTURE OF THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! IS THAT NOT WORTH GETTING YOUR FEELINGS BENT A LITTLE OUT OF SHAPE.? LOOK AT WHAT THESE CLOWNS ARE DOING, DAMMIT! GET PISSED OFF. TAKE ACTION. 48% OF THIS COUNTRY KNEW BETTER AND DID NOT VOTE FOR THESE CLOWNS. THEY ARE MORE THAN IGNORING US, THEY ARE GIVING IT TO US IN THE ASS AND ALL WE DO IS ASK FOR A REACH-AROUND.
God help me but I am so pissed right now!
May 14, 2009 - 8:45 am 60. billslayer:One big problem I’ve noticed is that people are still saying with a straight face”it’s all Bush’s fault!” While granted, Bush screwed up royally–and this is something we can’t forgive, forget, or sweep under the carpet– Obama has tripled the deficit and given Chavez the biggest boost of legitimacy that he has ever been given and by so doing demoted the presidency and the United States.
May 14, 2009 - 8:47 am 61. PAR:The GOP should have an organization to counter ACORN. With unemployment high there are a lot of people who would go to work building the grass roots organization. They can organize demonstrations, sign up voters and work for candidates. They should take their lead from the Minutemen of the revolution, be ready to go a moments notice to demonstrate and organize against Obama and the liberals. They can also help with community service projects to show their patriotism. The key is to keep people together and focused.
May 14, 2009 - 9:12 am 62. Lost Plot:Instead of promoting a third party, which we have seen take votes away from
May 14, 2009 - 9:17 am 63. Blackwater:candidates. Take back the Republican Party. This time marginalize the RINOS,
poo-poo there “hands across the aisle”, go along to get along really worked,
didn’t Maverick.
Go to the “New America” meetings and challenge them. They claim it is a
listening tour. Who will be doing the listening? Them or us? If I have the
opportunity, my question will be: what is the real purpose of the tour?
To persuade us to your way of thinking? or listen to us. We are wise to
RINOS and we will not tolerate them.
Give them notice, we will not play their game!
Yeah go ahead. Create a 3rd party and ensure that Democrats win elections for the next 100 years. Good call. What we have to do is to reform the Republican Party so it stands for the princibles most Americans care about and then elect Republicans who do a good job of articulating that message. Then we have to ruthlessly go afer the Democrats like they did to Republicans and pull out all the skeletons in their closets. It isn’t rocket science. Do exactly that and we’ll win. We have to look competent and superior to the Democrats.
May 14, 2009 - 9:30 am 64. Blackwater:Look, here’s how you win elections. You tap into what the American people are feeling and then you articulate a message that speaks to them. Then you clearly articulate a plan that inspires them like economic growth, national pride and prosperity. And then you PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH once you’re in office and turn those promises into realities. That’s what Reagan did. Do that and we’ll win. Simple. Forget all this “WE NEED TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE” and “WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE SO CALLED MODERATES AND SOFTIES” nonsense. Do that and we’ll lose. You can be passionate and fight for conservatism without looking like rabid idiots that alienate anyone who isn’t a hardcore Sarah Palin supporter. Get your head out of your butts please. I don’t want to lose another election.
May 14, 2009 - 9:49 am 65. Middleman:Blackwater,
May 14, 2009 - 9:53 am 66. Blackwater:A Centrist-based third party would be able to blow away both the Democratic party and Republicans if done properly. The vast majority of Americans are middle of the road.
Just like how the far-left in the Democratic Party should not feel entitled to minority votes, far-right Republicans should not feel entitled to centrist and center-right people’s votes.
Getting 75% of what you want is better than nothing at all. Americans are never going to support a total ban on gay marriage and abortion. Get over it and move on. Stick to fiscal conservatism and MODERATE social conservatism. And be competent for Gods sakes once you get in office. Don’t do anything stupid, grow the economy, run the country well, keep your finger on the pulse of the American people and we’ll never lose an election again since they’ll never have a reason to dislike Republicans. It’s so simple. Yeesh.
May 14, 2009 - 9:54 am 67. Войска ПВО:Read and re-read Bilgeman’s post #55 above. Commit it to memory. If you are a liberal troll collecting a nickel for your posts here, just keep it up. Pretty soon, you will be relegated to the “traffic noise” and ignored. If you are a McModerate, it’s over and he fumbled away his chance for destiny because he was gutless and weak and hired a bunch of nutless wonders to manage his campaign.
..echoes of Bob Dole’s cry of anxiety in ‘96: “Where’s the outrage?”
History lesson: those of us old enough remember the Carter years remember being only about 1/10th as mad about the state of affairs when that hapless, rabbit-swatting, dictator-smooching, jerk was running the show..particularly in the first two years of his candidacy. But when that Goober couldn’t manage the economy and handle the hostage situation in Iran, essentially butt-kissing foreign powers who wanted to deliver a jackboot-to-the-groin of Uncle Sam, we threw his ass out into the streets. And that was with the MSM having a virtual stranglehold on public thought and no internet.
Now, no one gives a crap about dead tree press and the Sunday opinion shows. Attempts by them to foist off rumor and innuendo will be met by more and more responses from those of us who are daily revolted and disgusted by the crap being pulled in DC and (in my case) Sacramento.
Enjoy your stay, because we are not getting any less angry. More and more of us will be glad to see you take your mediocrity and disregard for our constitution with you.
May 14, 2009 - 9:56 am 68. Syrin:Sorry, but the gloves needed to taken off 3 years ago. I think we’re beyond gloves at this point. ACORN is illegally starting the process of the census and is GPS painting front doors (do a google). They are criminalizing differing political ideology and turning the DHS on to conservatives at home. He’s about to enact censorship, and already controls the remaining press and all of academia. Sorry, you can shout all you want, but who’s going to get the message to the people who need to hear it, those who don’t watch Fox or listen to talk radio? The NYT? No, sorry, this, in my opinion, is going to end violently. Unemployment will hit near 20% once his economic coup de grace policies are put into full effect. There will be riots, martial law, and perhaps the next election will be suspended until things are “settled”. I truly believe this is going to get ugly. I hope I’m wrong, but the pot is starting to boil with a heavy heavy lid set on top.
May 14, 2009 - 10:07 am 69. Fantom:No we do not need a third party. Like Blackwater has said. We need to retake our party from the neocons and rhinos. Our national party is led by such.
Instead of sending the RNC a $100.00 send $10.00 to ren Conservative True Americans across the country. Defund the rhino’s.. fund the Americans.
Also if fifty million of us contributed to funding a candidate who was pro-abortion, anti-war, tree hugging America hater. If we funded our own third party to split the left… hmnnn.
May 14, 2009 - 10:08 am 70. LomaVista:If anyone wants to stop the liberals, the best way is to fix three institutions. First is the public schools. They teach the kids to vote for liberal candidates and the religion of secular humanism or Sec-hues. These kids grow up to vote for people like Obamination. The second is to get Fox News on Basic Cable services and go after PBS to give half of their show time to conservatives. The second is to fight to get conservative judges on the bench all the way up to the Supreme Court and dictate no judge shall vote to legislate from the bench. In some short years, this country will turn for the better.
May 14, 2009 - 10:19 am 71. Sapwolf:What will it take for the GOP establishment of Rinos to understand?
A third party?
May 14, 2009 - 10:23 am 72. VinceP1974:Want to get upset? Spend some time watching Washington Journal archives over at C-SPAN’s website.
Call after call of Democrats lying that the Republicans are responsible for the economic crisis, and then calls from alleged or disgruntled Righties blaming the Republicans for spending too much.
It’s a constant non-ending stream of criticism for the Republicans. You’re lucky if anyone makes a coherent criticism of the Democrats.
And then comes the twilight zone stuff like “The Republican Party is full of haters”. or racists , etc…
Or that they’re the Party of No
or that they have no ideas.
Everything that Republicans AREN’T but Democrats ARE is being put on Republican’s head.. and the dummies accept it as if it’s true!
I seem to be the only person who remembers that on separate occasions Obama gave the finger to Hillary and McCain… to have to watch people like Paul Ryan say how much of a nice guy Obama is is sickening.
THE DEMOCRATS ARE DESTROYING MY COUNTRY, AND I HAVE TO HEAR WHAT A NICE GUY OBAMA IS!
I live in Chicago.. so I’m doomed to living under Democrats.. I give up on this country.
May 14, 2009 - 10:29 am 73. Chuck Pelto:TO: Lost Plot
RE: Good Idea….
…but it doesn’t work very well when the machinations of the party apparatchik prohibit such ideas and activities from happening.
Case in point #1: Two years ago, I was asked to revamp the county party web-site. I took it from a do-and-know nothing static site to an interactive site with multiple tiers of access and communications, e-mail management and blog capabilities.
After setting it up, the local apparatchik refused to put anything on it. THEN, just in time for the 2008 fiasco, they took it back to the do-and-know nothing format.
Case in point #2: During the state-wide caucuses, we had the opportunity for a straw-poll vote on the candidate we wanted to run for the presidency. Our county votes were ‘disqualified’ by the state-level apparatchik.
And, just to make things all nicie-nicie, the local and state level apparatchik are pretty much STILL IN PLACE, i.e., MEET THE NEW BOSS. HE IS THE OLD BOSS.
What do you do in a case like that?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 10:30 am 74. AThinkingPerson:[Anybody for a TEA Party?]
Re #58: “Let me propose something radical to you.
Conservatives tend not to follow. That in fact is a fundamental difference between Conservatives and liberals. Liberals follow. Conservatives do not, tending more to independence.”
This statement hit the nail on the head as to why the GOP has not rallied behind a party leader yet. I think the unquestioning following that TeleBama garnered during the election was something we were unprepared for. The question now is how to harness that independent GOP spirit and use it to our advantage.
May 14, 2009 - 10:31 am 75. Chuck Pelto:TO: Blackwater
RE: Where Did You Learn….
….American History?
Don’t recall that the Republican Party was organized in 1856?
And that they took the White House in 1860?
How VERY ‘odd’ of you.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 10:34 am 76. bobbcat:[The more you observe politics, the more you've got to admit that each party is worse than the other. -- Will Rogers]
55, Bilgeman: Obama’s actions so far has removed the main weapon he had in attacking the Bush legacy, opposition to the war in Iraq, Guantanamo, and the PATRIOT Act. His administration is still doing all those things.
It all belongs to him, now.
And his domestic spending agenda is manifestly a catastrophe waiting to fall upon an existing disaster.
The economy is his, too.
So what’s his “hole card” going to be THIS time?
ACORN and the Legacy Media? Blaming Bush?
Think there’ll be any traction with that action?
Don’t hold your breath.It’s going to take some time for all these ramifications to unfold. Meantime, BO enjoys very good ratings despite how poorly his policies are playing with the American public.
59. WhyamInotsurprised: Very well stated.
May 14, 2009 - 10:36 am 77. james:Amen and pass the ammunition. But unless and until the republicans who are not girly men – Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, etc. – start making noise instead of letting noise be made about them, then nothing is going to happen.
May 14, 2009 - 10:37 am 78. Actor Prof:Is any of the leadership listening? Do they even read this site?
May 14, 2009 - 10:38 am 79. karstro1:You are absolutely right. I am real mad always being on the defensive. It is d–m time the other party fight back just as dirty. I am done with the smilly faces!
May 14, 2009 - 10:41 am 80. bobbcat:68. Syrin:Sorry, but the gloves needed to taken off 3 years ago. I think we’re beyond gloves at this point. ACORN is illegally starting the process of the census and is GPS painting front doors (do a google). They are criminalizing differing political ideology and turning the DHS on to conservatives at home. He’s about to enact censorship, and already controls the remaining press and all of academia. Sorry, you can shout all you want, but who’s going to get the message to the people who need to hear it, those who don’t watch Fox or listen to talk radio? The NYT? No, sorry, this, in my opinion, is going to end violently. Unemployment will hit near 20% once his economic coup de grace policies are put into full effect. There will be riots, martial law, and perhaps the next election will be suspended until things are “settled”. I truly believe this is going to get ugly. I hope I’m wrong, but the pot is starting to boil with a heavy heavy lid set on top.Underscores how important it is that the Pubs get their message out (and quit squabbling over minutiae with one another) before it’s too late.
May 14, 2009 - 10:44 am 81. Chuck Pelto:TO: Actor Prof
RE: Probably….
…..NOT!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 10:48 am 82. Chuck Pelto:P.S. This despite the fact I’ve mentioned it at the Communication Committee meetings I’ve been attending the last few months. Most of them are, in my personal opinion, pretty much ‘clueless’ about what is going on on the web. One of them even commented that he had just discovered IowaHawk, last session. None of them, as far as I can tell, have visited Instapundit, despite my mentioning it on several occasions.
TO: Blackwater, et al.
RE: ERRATA!
The Republican Party was founded two years earlier, in 1854. Not 1856.
My error….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 10:55 am 83. AThinkingPerson:[The only Guy I know who was 'perfect' got nailed to a tree.]
Re #59 WhyAmINotSurprised?: You voiced your anger over ACORN which I share. Here’s an interesting YouTube video of Congresswoman Bachmann trying to get funding to ACORN stopped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH376DsIamw
If we want action on this, supporting her in this effort would be a great place to start! I’ve already written my congressman and told them to support her measure.
May 14, 2009 - 11:02 am 84. Eric Florack:The answer is rather simple, and we have a few fair enough examples in our history and our current lexicon, as well.
Consider Limbaugh. Why does the left spend all it’s time trying to label him a leader of the party? And why does he remain popular? The answer to both questions is that he’s managed to articulate what is already on the minds of the grass roots, and he believes what he says, himself.
Reagan for his part, did the same.
Look, folks…It’s not a matter of new and “fresh ideas”. Principles don’t change, after all.
So, what it is, is a matter of someone standing up and articulating what the base is already thinking… and more recently, daring to say aloud. The task of such individuals is not to come up with ‘new ideas’ which serve to do nothing but move us off our principles… It’s not to argue that we need to be changed to be valid, but rather to show our views and our principles are already valid and that they should never have been surrendered in the first place.
That argument is already being made at the grass roots level, at volume 11. At the risk of overly-mixed metephors, those seeking office should consider this word picture:
By two means can they be in front of this grassroots crowd. It can be a parade, or a lynch mob.
May 14, 2009 - 11:06 am 85. Will:Being in the middle is like sitting on the fence,waiting to see which way the majority votes,and jumping to that side. You have to stand for what you beleive in,one way or the other.
May 14, 2009 - 11:08 am 86. RandyChandler:The fact that we’ve never seen a winning third-party doesn’t mean that we should be close-minded to the idea. We don’t have to be chained to the past, or to the corpse of a rank political body. We can be at least open to something new. Keep a sharp lookout; you’ll know it when you see it.
I believe Teddy Roosevelt led the most sucessful third-party campaign back in 1912 as head of the Bull Moose Party (which was really the Progressive Party) when he got 27% of the popular vote and carried 6 states.
If a strong third party doesn’t arise, then we’ll be stuck with the dirty job of cleaning out the GOP stables, and we’re not likely to have a Hercules to help us. And as someone pointed out above, fighting the entrenched powers for the soul of the party can be a losing battle. I’m not sure it’s worth it. The Grand Old Party is Old but it isn’t looking all that Grand, is it?
May 14, 2009 - 11:19 am 87. bruce nahin:Romney, Cantor, Mccain, you are not our leaders- we do not wish to turn our back on Reagan but to embrace it…there is one candidate who has the charisma, the grass roots following, the fund raising abilities and the Reagan philospy…Sarah Palin- Reagan in a skirt
May 14, 2009 - 11:28 am 88. Ed Wallis:Randy #86,
Like you say, you’ll know it when you see it. Until then…
…be careful when you keep up talk about a third party; I feel it primarily feeds the “divide and conquer” facet of the Leftists.
May 14, 2009 - 11:30 am 89. geoffgo:Will@33
No matter the outcome, the Left has precluded a two-party system in the US future. It’s not like the conservative movement (should they be fortunate enough to regain a majority) will permit the Left to ever again run for elected office. That would be certifiably suicidal, no?
May 14, 2009 - 11:35 am 90. geoffgo:L&F@35
Your sentiment is good, but you’re off the mark by an order of magnitude. The Congress enacted 60,000 new laws in 2008 and are on schedule for 62,000+ NEW LAWS in 2009. About what, except for the opportunity to STEAL MORE? There are currently millions of laws on the books. Better have a ratio of 10,000 recinded for every new law enacted.
May 14, 2009 - 11:42 am 91. geoffgo:Question@44 asked:
Can anyone tell me if TARP and stimulus money can be used for campaign contributions?
What do you think the Stimulus funds were for, except for vote-buying and coersive purposes?
Others have mentioned a request from the RNC for money, and I’ve received many lately. IMHO, the leadwership doesn’t get that there’s a test; ie, strings attatched to my further contributions. If Nancy Pelosi cannot be removed for her actions and lies, there’s no use sending the RNC one more dime! Might as well save up for defense of the homestead.
May 14, 2009 - 11:57 am 92. Chuck Pelto:TO: Randy Chandler
RE: American History Lesson #1
Think on the Republican Party. Founded in 1854, in the face of the lousy Whig Party. It effectively replaced the Whigs in the election of 1856 and took the White House in 1860.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 12:07 pm 93. Boris:[History teaches a LOT, to those who pay attention.]
“The left will attack with mindless abandon, anyone who stands up for real conservatism. Almost certainly, a fear-driven reaction.”
That’s what the right always says. Remember how we were supposedly scared of Palin? We knew she was a disaster from day two. We didn’t know that she would meet her match in Katie Couric, though.
May 14, 2009 - 12:19 pm 94. Bilgeman:#84 Eric Florack:
“Consider Limbaugh. Why does the left spend all it’s time trying to label him a leader of the party? And why does he remain popular? The answer to both questions is that he’s managed to articulate what is already on the minds of the grass roots, and he believes what he says, himself.
Reagan for his part, did the same.”
As can Sarah Palin.
There were three main reasons that she drove the Left into spittle-spewing paroxysms of apoplexy.
First, she was a living embodiment of what an empowered woman can be…and yet she didn’t “toe the (Liberal) party line”. In fact, quite the opposite.
Second, she was and is an undeniably attractive candidate, while she wasn’t perfect, her positives, both in experience and personally, more than made up for her shortcomings.
Third, she had no connection to the Liberals’ favorite bugbear…the McChimpyRoveHalliCheneyCo regime, and could therefore not be tagged with the sins of the past,(as the Left perceived those sins to be).
The Left, and their running dog lackeys, these “moderate conserblicans” are attacking what they most fear.
Give it to them…in spades.
May 14, 2009 - 12:44 pm 95. ILikeIke:Since when is a bunch of bitter second-placers considered a “groundswell?”
May 14, 2009 - 12:58 pm 96. The Historian:OUR POLL DRIVEN PRESIDENT
Obama always sails with the wind.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/copying-bubba-obama-governs-by-polls.html
May 14, 2009 - 12:58 pm 97. RandyChandler:Thanks for the historey lesson, Chuck. Correct me if I’m wrong (and I know you will), but the 1856 election was a so-called “transitional election” coming at a time when there was no ironclad two-party structure. During that election the designation “third party” depended on one’s perspective, the Whigs being in such disarray. But I do appreciate your keeping me on my toes.
All I’m really saying is that I’m a conservative but I’m not married to any political party. If we can’t keep the GOP honest, then we should put our votes elsewhere–unless doing so guarantees keeping Dems in command.
May 14, 2009 - 1:17 pm 98. RandyChandler:Hoo boy, now I need a spelling lessson.
May 14, 2009 - 1:19 pm 99. Stella:Amen. The GOP needs to get the hell out of the way, shut up, listen, and learn.
Tired as I am of all the crap coming out of the BO white house and the current Congress, I’m equally tired of hearing righty pundits constantly on the defensive, sounding apologetic and offering sound arguments to the witless. Does anyone really want to hear another lengthy answer to Andrew Sullivan, David Frum, or Jon Stewart? I don’t. They’re not worth it.
The first message is simple and direct: Obama sucks. Time to get on with the message, and the counter attack on this insane liberal destruction.
May 14, 2009 - 1:56 pm 100. ILikeIke:Better headline: “Frustrated conservative base not informed that Michael Ledeen spent considerable effort in the 80s trying to sell weapons to Iran, and 30 year later, he’s writing weak articles about how evil Iran is.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/05/14/the-ancient-evil/
True story.
May 14, 2009 - 2:00 pm 101. geoffgo:Until we’re calling for jailtime in unison, we’re obviously not angry enough to reclaim the republic.
And unless the Republicans call what’s going on criminal, they’ll not get another nickel from me. It simply continues to demonstrate both political parties are corrupt thieves. As a Reagan Eagle, I’d never have believed I’d be making such a promise.
May 14, 2009 - 2:22 pm 102. Dave:Roberta McCain said on TV last night that Rush Limbaugh’s not speaking for the Republican Party she is a part of.
Limbaugh agrees. THe one she is a part of keeps getting shellacked in elections. That’s not his idea of the Republican party.
I’m with HIM. Soon as people start describing themselves as rock ribbed conservatives, being proud of it, and speaking consistently for PRINCIPLE, they’ll start winning again. Meanwhile, if you lost an election recently, or you are ‘close friends’ with the guys who DID, stop telling us you know how to win!!! Powell… follow Specter!! You endorsed and voted for the biggest socialist leftist president we’ve ever had!! Colin Powell NEVER took a stand on any issue, just criticised conservatives for having stands.
Screw him. I know what I believe, and he will not tell us what HE believes.
Our turn is coming, and Oprompta is making it easier with the wild crazy dangerous leftism in a tsunami from the White House and wackoes like Pelosi and Reid.
May 14, 2009 - 2:31 pm 103. RBell:I just sent back the Republican Party’s request for a donation. I informed that I would like to donate to the Republican party but I just don’t know where to send the funds. Obviously these clowns don’t understand we are fed up with their phony conservatism. The sent out a lame survey as to what was important to me, national security, abortion, taxes or health care. They have lost on all these issues so who are they fooling.They are defending nothing.
I tell you what is important to me, the constitution, liberty, the defense of a morale base and a two party system. Right now we don’t have any of that. We are looking at a rouge President Stalinizing the country and we don’t hear a peep of these Republican politicians. They rather bad mouth Rush Limbaugh than Arnold Specter. And why does not someone slam the Republican door in the face of Colon Powell? He is a general with out an army or a party. Maybe there is an opening in the Kennedy School for has been Democrats. No apologies for the meanness of this comment.
May 14, 2009 - 2:36 pm 104. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Too Funny
And we’re ‘right’.
RE: Bo[zo]ris On Palin
Yeah….
…that’s why on PJM he and his ilk spent WEEKS, nigh on MONTHS, trying to trash her.
They were scared merde-less at the prospect of another Reagan. Especially of the feminine persuasion. Otherwise, you’d not have bothered with all the vitriol.
What a bunch of clones.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 2:58 pm 105. Chuck Pelto:[You know you're getting close to the 'target', when they start throwing more 'flak' at you.]
TO: RandyChandler
RE: The Election of 1856
My understanding of the situation was that the Whigs were in total disarray, like the Republicans are today. The Republicans of that time, being predominantly anti-slavery, took up the battle that the Whigs were unwilling to take on.
In the meantime, the Democrats, slave-owners and slave-supporters, were well organized. So, I’d call it a three-party election: Democrats, Whigs and Republicans.
The 1856 election was such a disaster for the Whigs that they simply came totally apart and what was left of them split between the Democrats and the Republicans.
But that’s just my understanding based on what history I’ve read. A lot of it coming from Bruce Catton’s books. Especially his Civil War Centennial series, which dealt mostly with socio-economic-political aspects of the American nightmare.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 3:18 pm 106. Chuck Pelto:[History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. - Abba Eban]
TO: All
RE: Whig, Republicans and Democrats
Looking at this, I have to wonder……
…..where the Whigs who did not go Republican in 1856 the ‘moderates’ of the party?
Interesting thought that…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 3:22 pm 107. Chuck Pelto:[Remember that prosperity can be only for the free, and that freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it. -- Thucydides]
TO: RBell, et al.
RE: An Interesting Thought….
….just came to mind.
Your comment reminds me of something said going on two centuries ago.
This, combined with another statement by the gentleman….
To think that the IRS won’t allow a minister to speak on politics and righteousness. And look how US is today…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 3:37 pm 108. shaui-jan:[Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. -- George Washington]
#23sheep[sh]this guy leahy…owes alot in back taxes,and is one of the national tea party oragnizers?hmmm.sounds like he’s off to a good start then.
i mean it might be a big deal if he were like..oh i don’t know…the secretary of the treasury or something.
now if gietner owed alot of back taxes,like say $165,000 that he “forgot” to pay than that would be worrysome!
so….you never answered my question,masochist or boozer?
May 14, 2009 - 3:39 pm 109. Mon:It’s not Rocket Science!
It’s down to LIBERTY & FREEDOM (GOP being the savoir) VS DEATH TO LIFE AS WE KNEW IT (DEM policies as the dragon run amok).
Forget fighting over “what freedoms” abortion, ie… and don’t let media ignore Dem’s policies killing off “big bad bussiness” with excessive taxation.
STOP LETTING MEDIA DEFINE GOP AND CONTINUE TO SUCCEED AT HIDING DEM’S FAILURES.
May 14, 2009 - 3:41 pm 110. sheesh:104. Chuck Pelto:
. . . and to anyone else on the Sarah train (hmm) . . . she’s a disaster for whoever you are – Republican, conservative, libertarican, whatever it is today – she will be dismissed out of hand by 60 percent of America, with a whole bunch more convinced along the way that she’s not up to what she’s got, never mind what she wants. You thought last time was a beating? That was a noogie compared to the roundhouse that bridge to nowhere would take in 2012. Don’t get me wrong, I have no doubt she would rev up the hard right. And if you think that will win you an election, have at it. Your best bet is the Mormon. I know, it sucks. But hey, that don’t mean you can’t laugh… here ya go, a little sumpin for ya! I call it “Executive Experience”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMocEINn-E8
May 14, 2009 - 4:05 pm 111. Bilgeman:#102 Dave:
“Roberta McCain said on TV last night that Rush Limbaugh’s not speaking for the Republican Party she is a part of.”
Just out of curiosity, who in the hell is Roberta McCain, and why should I care?
May 14, 2009 - 4:09 pm 112. sheesh:111, Who the hell is Rush Limbaugh, and why should I care?
May 14, 2009 - 4:23 pm 113. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Wanna See the ‘Future’*?
* Something ‘Scary’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 4:26 pm 114. Ed Wallis:[Welcome....Welcome....Welcome to the 'home' of the future.]
sheesh #112,
YOU HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE HERE TO OFFER AND NEED TO SPEND YOUR EFFORTS ELSEWHERE.
May 14, 2009 - 4:35 pm 115. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: sheesh, Indeed
That’s IS a very good question. Why the heck IS sheesh here, if he/she/it doesn’t know ‘Rush Limbaugh’.
Oh. But he/she/it DOES know about Rush Limbaugh! How do we know this? Because he spent so much time over on the other thread about Syke’s ‘joke’.
So. What can we understand of he/she/it based on this statement in item #112 of this thread?
I’ve got a number of suppositions. All of which are VERY BAD for the mental state of sheesh.
Maybe sheesh can explain why he/she/it has such poor memory ‘issues’.
But I doubt it…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 4:36 pm 116. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out....and characters like sheesh are going to look VERY BAD.....]
P.S. The first in the list of ’suppositions’ about sheesh’ mental state is that he is a classic ’sociopath’. And he’s giving them a VERY BAD name…..
May 14, 2009 - 4:44 pm 117. Gary Ogletree:Sheesh, turn on your radio at about 1005 EDT, scan the tuner for that familiar voice and stick around for three hours. Repeat daily. Ignorance of Rush is the mark of the deluded.
May 14, 2009 - 4:46 pm 118. Chuck Pelto:P.P.S. Speaking of ’sociopaths’, HERE is the definition of such….
A person with a peronality disorder manifesting itself in extreme anti-social attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
I think we’ve got quite a few of those hanging around here, chief of which are sheesh, vivo, Herb, PoM, and a good number of others.
Why is the count so high?
Well…..
….probably because the APA, or someone close to them, determined that 20% of the population lacks what is referred to as a sense of ‘morality’.
sheesh and his cohorts here certainly seem to measure ‘down’ to THAT concept….
May 14, 2009 - 4:49 pm 119. Gary Ogletree:Let us scorn all politicians who try to co-opt the Tea Party. Note to Sanford and Perry: Call it 10th Amendment 2.0 but hands off the Tea Party. Same goes to the Newt that won’t go away.
May 14, 2009 - 4:50 pm 120. shaui-jan:sheep[sh];after four years of your dear leader’s policies,we could run ted stevens and win.
again…the question i pose to you;boozer or masochist?
May 14, 2009 - 5:05 pm 121. Chuck Pelto:im guessing boozer.your memory IS kinda short…..like a goldfish.
TO: All
RE: HERE IS….
….the quintessential question to ask of Republicans EVERYWHERE….
Where is your ‘priority’? The Party? Or the Constitution?
I ask this because once, 24 years ago, I, as a young captain of infantry, ‘watched’ as a four-star general relieved a water-walking, full colonel of his brigade command because he had his priorities bass-ackward.
I took that lesson to heart. And over the past 20+ years, I’ve seen that if you don’t have your priorities in their proper order, you’re ’screwed’ from the get-go.
So….
….where does the Republican Party put ITS ‘priorities’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 5:10 pm 122. Chuck Pelto:[A man cannot serve two masters. He will either love one and hate the other. Or he will hate one and love the other. One cannot serve 'mammon' and 'righteousness'. -- some Wag, around 2000 years ago]
P.S. Guess what ‘happens’ to those who choose to serve ‘mammon’. Three guesses….first two don’t count…..
May 14, 2009 - 5:14 pm 123. sheesh:Chuck Pelto with ANOTHER scoop! I know who Rush Limbaugh is! The fact that I regularly bash El Tubbo has nothing to do with anything in CP’s mind. Or that anybody with any sense at all could see that the question wasn’t about the “identity” of Rush but the nature of his import. I gotta learn to avoid those GOTCHA moments.
Yeah, that commission you sit on hurt. Careful Chuck, I done found your weak spot.
May 14, 2009 - 5:58 pm 124. bobbcat:sheesh, the least you could do is listen to his show for a week and be able to make an educated assessment. Otherwise, you’re just another case of someone talking out their ass about the guy. What good is that?
May 14, 2009 - 6:34 pm 125. James Andrews:George Patton and William Tecumseh Sherman did not win battles by being meek and playing by the enemy’s rules. If we the people don’t stand up now, it may take more than protests and voting to fix the awful mess the Obamunists are creating.
May 14, 2009 - 6:54 pm 126. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Talk About ‘Stupid’
Earlier, in item #112, sheesh claims to have no knowledge of Rush Limbaugh. NOW, he/she/it claims otherwise.
Can ANYONE REALLY believe anything this cretin says?
The answer to the question is, obviously, NOT if they have any rationality to their mental processes…..
Throw this character’s comments where they belong, in the ‘trash bin’….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 14, 2009 - 6:56 pm 127. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out....and sheesh will be 'exposed' for what he/she/it is.....]
P.S. Oh….yeah….lest I forget….
….here’s a comment I’ve noticed over the course of years.
I’ve not used it much, but I think it VERY appropriate for THIS situation….
[A man needs a good memory after he has lied.]
P.P.S. Too bad sheesh doesn’t have what it takes….eh….]
May 14, 2009 - 7:02 pm 128. Chuck Pelto:P.P.P.S. Looks like a LOT of ’secondary detonations’ to me…..
What do you think, Bilge-my-man?
May 14, 2009 - 7:03 pm 129. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:Oh Chucky boy! Oh Chucky. There you go again challenging the superior intellect of those super smart scientists who know all that scientific stuff like Boris. When will you ever learn? You’re outbrained! He’s the smartest smart guy in the whole blogosphere. You should read some of his smartness over at ClimateAudit. It’s so smart, it’s going to make the earth overheat!
Bask in Boris’ smartness, and thank the 0bama that you’re so privileged to be on the same blog as someone so unbelievably awesomely smart. If you repeat the talking points, maybe some day you’ll grow up to be so awesomely smart, with maybe 1/4 of Boris’ IQ.
Yes, you can!
May 14, 2009 - 7:15 pm 130. Oakley:“The Democrats aren’t going after the Republican leadership; they’re going after the GOP grassroots and the values they espouse. The purpose, apparently, is to keep the Republican Party from actually returning to its roots and becoming a real threat to the Democrat party.”
The Republican leadership is no threat to the Dems. What’s to worry about those who capitulate to “get along” or whatever the excuse may be?
It’s the Sarah Palins, and Joe the Plumbers are the real threat and will be vilified and targeted by the left and the lapdog press.
May 14, 2009 - 7:20 pm 131. G Alston:#124 — sheesh, the least you could do is listen to his show for a week and be able to make an educated assessment.
They were going to do that to prisoners in Gitmo but decided waterboarding was more humane. And yet, the left *still* complained. Can’t please some folks.
May 14, 2009 - 7:44 pm 132. RandyChandler:I suppose the Sorros flunkeys are assigned to various conservative sites such as this one and told to try to stir things up with their brilliant sarcasm and biting wit. So tell us, guys. are you dumb enough to do this for free or are you at least getting some of that Nazi-loving coin tossed your way?
On the other hand, Sorros might want his money back for the witless job you guys are doing.
May 14, 2009 - 7:50 pm 133. The Conservative Conservative:Liberalism is a mental disease based upon hysteria, lies, brainwashing, gullibility and the lack of responsibility.
May 14, 2009 - 8:04 pm 134. michael Reynolds:Please take the gloves off. Oh, please do. Every time you open your mouths you drop another point in the polls. So please, as a Democrat I’m begging you: go to the full frontal wingnuttery.
The more you show your true colors the sooner the GOP splits in two. The sooner that happens the better for this country because while the rational side of the GOP is necessary and useful, you mental cases need to just crawl off into a corner and seethe in your own rabid slobber.
May 14, 2009 - 9:06 pm 135. SurgeUSAorg:Why not ignore the brainless provocateurs and focus on the subject?
The issue is for the GOP to take the gloves off or become irrelevant. That doesn’t involve RGA fundraising calls about leading a GOP comeback or “listening tours” to test-market “big ideas” for 2010. It means getting in the face of many incumbents now and organizing locally to defeat them.
See Tea Party tactics for ideas.
May 14, 2009 - 9:25 pm 136. Ed Wallis:http://www.surgeusa.org/actions/tactics.htm
For the benefit of the serious posters here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/defeating_political_ridicule.html
May 15, 2009 - 12:58 am 137. RandyChandler:You’re right of course, Surge. But these ObamaZombie invaders are such tempting targets, it’s hard to resist nailing bull’s-eyes to their backsides and blasting away. We’ll leave them to float there until somebody flushes.
May 15, 2009 - 4:24 am 138. Dave:111 bILGEMAN
she is John McCain’s 97 yr old mom, and I think the tone of my post was that I didn’t care, so I’m certainly not going to tell anyone else to care what Roberta McCain thinks.. I was pointing out she is an insider to the moderate repub party culture that gets so steamed whenever they find themselves up against conservatives with principles..
She is no old fuddy. Her brain works as well as it did fifty years ago. Trouble is, fifty years ago she was a moderate, and she still is, and so is her son Johnny. They say things like “stand with me” and “america first” but they never critically explain, stand with me for WHAT? America first to WHAT? lots of politicians put their country before themselves, not all are selfishly corrupt. BUt many politicians are WRONG and have DISASTROUS plans for their country to get to ‘first’…
McCain wouldn’t have been principally different from Obama, only a bit more resistant to massive spending (although moderate spending would have been fine, and we’d still have a larger deficit and debt than ever)… McCain would have taken over banks and car dealers just like Obama, only with less dominance and more flexibility, but we’d still be nominally central-planning by now, just like with Oprompta… McCain told us he doesn’t know a whole lot about the economy.. McCain told us a lot about himself, and none of it screamed “I am committed to conservative principles”… his economic campaign talk only came in the last few weeks, when he realized the base was wandering away and needed some attention.. but he didn’t believe it, not like Palin did.
May 15, 2009 - 4:51 am 139. Boris:“Yeah….
…that’s why on PJM he and his ilk spent WEEKS, nigh on MONTHS, trying to trash her.”
Palin trashed herself. She couldn’t handle Katie Freakin’ Couric. And this is your new Reagan?
“They were scared merde-less at the prospect of another Reagan. Especially of the feminine persuasion. Otherwise, you’d not have bothered with all the vitriol.”
lol….every rightwing nutjob on this site predicted that the Palin pick was the end of the campaign. Good call on that one, boys.
May 15, 2009 - 5:35 am 140. Boris:From “Roger’s Rules”, Spetmeber 3rd:
“What worries me is how the Left is going cope come the election. Their hysteria about Sarah Palin simultaneously shows that they know deep down that something has gone terribly wrong with Obama’s Children’s “Yes-we-can” Crusade and that they are unable to acknowledge the damage. Their hysteria signals both their panic and their blindness. I predict that on the morning of that fateful day in early November they are going to be like Pauline Kael the day after the 1972 election when Richard Nixon won 49 states: “How could that be?”
What was that about the right wing being right?
Also, lol at “their blindness.”
May 15, 2009 - 5:40 am 141. Bilgeman:#134 michael reynolds:
“The more you show your true colors the sooner the GOP splits in two. The sooner that happens the better for this country because while the rational side of the GOP is necessary and useful, you mental cases need to just crawl off into a corner and seethe in your own rabid slobber.”
And which country would you mean when you say “this country”?
There are people, nominally on the right who like to fly the banner of Nazi Germany. Those people are shouted down and ridiculed in unison by conservatives.
Can yu same of the people nominally on the left who run around wearing Che Guevara t-shirts and waving the Soviet flag?
A person who would announce himself as a Nazi or a Christian Identity type in a right wing conservative gathering would get a very chilly reception, but let another person, at a leftist rally announce themselves as a Marxist and an enemy of Christianity, and they’re likely to be applauded.
So the question remains…what country do YOU belong to? And if the answer is the USA, then why do you truck with those whose heroes have been her avowed enemies?
“Every time you open your mouths you drop another point in the polls. So please, as a Democrat I’m begging you: go to the full frontal wingnuttery.”
Don’t look now, but your Liberal Messiah who claims to have been born in Hawaii is the one who’s poll numbers are obeying the laws of gravity.
May 15, 2009 - 5:40 am 142. G Alston:#132 — I suppose the Sorros flunkeys are assigned to various conservative sites such as this one and told to try to stir things up with their brilliant sarcasm and biting wit.
It doesn’t occur to you that *most* republican voters aren’t Rush Limbaugh fans. He has 14 million “listeners”. There were 110 million votes cast. Use the power of the math.
Imagine that. The majority of republican voters aren’t Limbaugh fans. And some of us can’t stand the guy. Therefore, we must all be leftists. Enjoy your burger flipping job, fruitcake. Obviously you don’t have the mental capacity to do much beyond menial labour.
May 15, 2009 - 6:30 am 143. sheesh:141 BM3K . . Drop what you’re doing and trot on over to #128. Your buddy needs a hug.
May 15, 2009 - 6:32 am 144. The Shadow:It is great to come to pjm because after a while you realize these nuts could not organize a bachelor party
May 15, 2009 - 6:46 am 145. RandyChandler:Wow. I guess we really stirred the pot this time. The cream of the crap floated right to the top where we can see them for what they are. Maybe we could flatten them and sell them as ObamaCakes to other Sorros bootlicks.
May 15, 2009 - 6:59 am 146. Eric Florack:Well, Randy, look again at my comment in the piece:
I knew we’d see rather a lot of this in response to the piece, because I wrote it with that in mind. Everything I said in the article is of course true, but more, it’s a direct threat.
Liberals will always scream the loudest about what threatens their governmental power the most. At the moment, that ‘biggest threat’ is not moderates… it’s the grassroots Republicans. As such, I figured they’d prove my point better than my efforts alone ever could. Tell me the response here doesn’t exemplify, and prove out, what I’m saying. They simply cannot help themselves. As I said previously, it’s fear that we’re seeing.
May 15, 2009 - 8:05 am 147. Chuck Pelto:TO: Eric Florack, et al.
RE: Indeed….
….it is.
Their response is identical to the response they gave to Sarah Palin’s nomination for Vice President.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 15, 2009 - 8:34 am 148. Chuck Pelto:[Too close, beating on these dumb 'trees' to recognize the proverbial 'forest'.]
TO: Eric Florack
RE: Back On-Topic
I’m working on a presentation that the county party is planning on putting up on YouTube as well as on their refurbished web-site. It is about the foundations of the Republican Party philosophy.
If it’s good enough the state-level people will distribute it throughout the state and pass it on to national-level for their consideration.
It’s VERY Reaganesque in content.
These ‘progressives’ will just ‘love’ it…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. -- Ronald Reagan]
P.S. And why is THAT?
Because they have no morals in the first place…..
May 15, 2009 - 8:38 am 149. Bilgeman:#143 blog-slave:
“141 BM3K . . Drop what you’re doing and trot on over to #128. Your buddy needs a hug.”
For what, mutant? For making YOU look like an ass?
That is not a particularly remarkable achievement,even for a 3rd grader, y’know.
“One does not applaud the tenor for clearing his throat”- Dangerous Liaisons.
May 15, 2009 - 8:49 am 150. Bilgeman:#138 John:
“she is John McCain’s 97 yr old mom, and I think the tone of my post was that I didn’t care,”
Ahh, thankee. I really had no earthly idea who the person was.
“She is no old fuddy. Her brain works as well as it did fifty years ago. Trouble is, fifty years ago she was a moderate,”
That raises an interesting point. Fifty years on, John Fitzgerald Kennedy would be labeled a Conservative.
My, but how that merry-go-round keeps a-spinnin’, huh?
“McCain wouldn’t have been principally different from Obama, only a bit more resistant to massive spending ”
Agreed but for one thing, his policies would have been a betrayal of the conservatives in the GOP.
At the least with the Alleged Hawaiian, we know where we stand.
It’s the sweetest music listening to the nutroots howl and the moonbats wail about it when THEY are the ones being shafted by their own false idol.
May 15, 2009 - 8:59 am 151. shaui-jan:hey sheep[sh]quick question.is that handgun you periodically press againt your temple,whenever you dwell on the occupation that your years of ‘higher’ education landed you….is it registered?
May 15, 2009 - 9:09 am 152. G Alston:you know the one that sits right next to the pile of rejection letters from ‘real time’ and the ‘colbert report’.
speaking of registration,if you need a good laugh(and i know you do)check out h.r.bill 45 sponsered by no one other than bobby rush,the ex black panther.im sure you know about the black panthers,those precocious little scamps who would often use the police as target practice.
well the bill is toxic,i mean radioactive.not even the looniest of moonbats will go near it.i guess when your side gets impaled enough,you learn not to run with scissors.
you should be glad it’s getting no traction….it has a provision where you have to prove your not mentally defective before you’re issued a license.
p.s. next time you use my screen name to post,don’t capitalize….your anal retentiveness gives you away.
#150 — It’s the sweetest music listening to the nutroots howl and the moonbats wail about it when THEY are the ones being shafted by their own false idol.
Come again? Other than the pastor of muppets guy I don’t think anyone else here voted for Obama.
May 15, 2009 - 9:27 am 153. Bilgeman:#152 G Alston:
“Come again? Other than the pastor of muppets guy I don’t think anyone else here voted for Obama.”
I lurk in their lairs, and would, (if it were allowed by law aboard ship), hoist a frosty beverage while enjoying the sweet schadenfreude of Liberals betrayed.
Democratic Undergrounders have turned on Pelosi.
Can the KosKidz and the HuffPoofs be far behind in yammering for Obama’s removal?
And, like the aftermath of the OJ Simpson verdict proved, when the Liberal Left White Guilt-trip set figure that a black man has put one over on them, they will unleash a stream of naked racism so vituperative that it would make a Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard vomit.
May 15, 2009 - 10:23 am 154. Tennwriter:The thing to remember with the so-called ‘moderates’, the RINOs, is that not only are they wrong, can’t attract a vote, are often disloyal, is that they are incompetent at running elections.
The pragmatic answer to winning elections is ‘Go Conservative’.
RINOs realize that they can’t get the base enthused, so they want to buy with mercs what they can’t get with volunteers. But Bad Message + Out of Touch Mentality + Uninspired Mercs does not equal Victory. With some training, an army of volunteers is generally going to clean the clocks of mercs. But in order to get that army, the RINOs would have to Be Conservative Across the Board, and that they will not do unless terror compels them.
Folks, a sixty percent victory is out there. It starts with breaking the deathgrip of the RINOs on the positions of power.
May 15, 2009 - 10:26 am 155. Boris:“The pragmatic answer to winning elections is ‘Go Conservative’”
Just ask Rick Santorum.
May 15, 2009 - 10:42 am 156. shaui-jan:#153.bilgeman;obama would have to pummel a kitten to death with a puppy on live t.v. for kos to even consider removing his lips from the pres’ posterior.
May 15, 2009 - 10:59 am 157. G Alston:btw,if you do find such a place to ‘board ship’….please don’t be stingy.
#156 — Just ask Rick Santorum.
Indeed. In my state the more arch-conservative the candidate, the worse they’re stomped. Doesn’t matter what level. Of course, I live in a unrepentent blue state, so WTF do I know?
The picture painted by #154 doesn’t support the data here. In fact, it sounds like either wild assertion or wishful thinking, but every bit of experience I have suggests that he’s off the reservation either way. The south must exist in a parallel universe.
May 15, 2009 - 12:03 pm 158. Son of Bob:Elections are not about “increasing the size of the tent” or catering to moderates. Successful campaigns energize people who share the same beliefs to get out and vote. The Obama election was not a romp (54-46 percent), and if the Republicans hadn’t had such an awful candidate more would have gone to the voting booth and pulled the lever. But, Republicans didn’t HAVE a candidate in this last election. And, like in 2006, they stayed home.
Any of the losers on this ridiculous, supposedly-GOP “We’re Not Listening” tour, trying to persuade people to like “them” and hate conservatism, need to be buried in obscurity, as the Dems do with their party’s opposers.
There are true potential stars, like Gov. Sarah Palin, or Gov. Jim Jordan from Ohio, who are articulate conservative Republicans with speaking skills capable of educating the public school and MSNBC-brainwashed ignorants out there to the fact that conservatism entails all the freedoms from government intrusion and over-taxation, etc. that they claim to love while voting for socialists. But, the self-centered GOP RINO socialists like McCain can’t stand the idea of giving up the beloved spotlight.
If the Republican party is to be invigorated, the current leadership needs to be completely replaced, starting with Boehner, who looked good on paper but has been incredibly unimpressive in reality (especially, when decisive leadership opposing the ridiculous Bush/Paulson “stimulus” that started this financial disaster could have turned the party around overnight).
May 15, 2009 - 12:13 pm 159. RandyChandler:‘Crats in the wire, Cap’n. Let em rot there as a sign to others.
May 15, 2009 - 12:33 pm 160. Pat J:Finally. The conservatives are starting to get it. The Republican Party has been hijacked by a bunch of neocon and RINO freeloaders who are only in it for themselves.
Rise up. Kick them out. Then we can all start moving this great country forward.
May 15, 2009 - 1:15 pm 161. Robert Sayko:Who is John Galt? We need John Galt. I am in the middle of Galt’s speech in my fourth read of “Atlas Shrugged.” When the GOP nominates somebody who gives a summarized version of John Galt’s speech as his/her acceptance speech for the nomination, I’ll vote for him/her. Until then, I’m on strike.
May 15, 2009 - 1:51 pm 162. G Alston:158 — Elections are not about “increasing the size of the tent” or catering to moderates.
Sure they are. Conservatism is a movement. The Republicans are a political party. The purpose of the party is to get elected; the purpose of a movement is to teach and persuade. Different strategies are employed because these are different things.
(paraphrased from J Pournelle)
May 15, 2009 - 3:17 pm 163. ChipD:I think the conservatives have fallen in love with the image of conservatism, the romantic notions of patriotism and self-reliance and ruggedness, but not the reality.
For instance, conservatives believe in small government- but yet also give the government nearly dicatorial powers under the Patriot Act- they are perfectly willing to surrender any and all civil liberties just to feel safe and protected by Big Daddy.
They believe in self-reliance and free markets, yet are the first to turn to Washington for assistance when times get rough (I am looking at you, Gov. Rick Perry, and all the Wall Street “Free Marketeers!)
They believe in Christianity, yet forget the Christ spoke not one word about homosexuality, but spoke volumes about helping the poor. They demand loud public displays of piety and devotion to religion (think of the “day of Prayer nonsense) yet forget that Christ specifically scorned and ridiculed people who do that.
Conservatives believe in the soveriegnty of states- unless they do something conservatives don’t like, like California legalizing marijuana- they they invoke the rough fist of the federal police state to override them.
Notice how so many conservative bloggers and writers (like Andrew Klaven’s article about Rush Limbaugh) stress themes of masculinity, and violent jingoistic patriotism? It is all image, all just a facade like a Ralph Lauren ad that shows cowboys wearing designer jeans.
True conservatism means small government- including one where the powers of surveillance and police are reined in; and conservatives trust in the citizens to be virtuous without needing public displays.
I think it is a good thing that they spend a few years in the wilderness to get their soul back.
May 15, 2009 - 4:35 pm 164. Chuck Pelto:TO: ChipD
RE: Try NOT….
….to be such a total ‘ass’. Your half-truths are all too conspicuous.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]
P.S. And maybe you should post this drivel on a thread where it is more apropos….eh?
May 15, 2009 - 4:59 pm 165. jmmx:Ho ho ho I LOVE IT!!
In a post in another one of your articles, I post what I see, as an outsider, is the problem with the Republican party in terms of its ability to win elections. See post #56:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gop-the-haunted-party/comment-page-2/#comment-260517
I did this in the spirit of sharing with you all a view from outside your party, not as a critique of any particular policy issues.
What the author is advocating here is precisely the source of the problem. From my point of view – I say YES! DO IT! have at it. You will only be digging yourselves in deeper.
McCain lost the election because the economy went down the tubes so bad so fast that no republican could have won. Palin may have energized the base, but she totally turned off most other Americans, including a good portion of your own party.
So as I said – go at it! Sling the mud and the diatribes and radical right-wing self-righteous rantings. It will only strengthen the Democrats.
IMHO.
May 15, 2009 - 5:13 pm 166. jmmx:@ ChipD
WOW – Well said!
May 15, 2009 - 5:17 pm 167. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: ChipD vs. Christ vis-a-vis ‘Homosexuality’
Just to point out one of the half-truths ChipD presents in item #163 (above), there is THIS business….
On the other hand we have these items from that Guy….
And from there we have….
Then again, we have the idea of ‘fornication’. There’s a LOT in that Old Book about that. And, I do believe that if Battelle were to release their data from that survey done in the late 80s/early 90s, we’d see that the homosexuals are more ‘fornicators’ than any other sexual orientation.
On the other hand, we have the business about what happened at Sodom. And Christ used Sodom as an example to the Sanhedrin. And example of how sorry the Sanhedrin was compared to THAT city’s population.
On the other hand, we have the reports of Paul. I think you may be somewhat familiar with them. Whether you agree or disagree is another matter….more suitable to a different thread. Or maybe a different venue.
Name one and I’ll see you there to discuss this in greater depth.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 15, 2009 - 5:18 pm 168. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out....]
TO: All
RE: Another Example….
….of outright lies.
Actually, he’s projecting.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Bring on the ‘hard times’. Three guesses as to who lines up first for help. It’s the same people from the inner cities who put Obama in the Oval Office in the first place…..
Indeed. They’re already lining up. Welfare lines. ‘Bail outs’. Etc. Etc…..
May 15, 2009 - 5:24 pm 169. acj:Looking for a Mike Tyson? Do you really think that will help the GOP? You already had mindless muscle. Why don’t you find someone with intelligence? I find Obama quite comforting in being intelligent. In fact I am not emarassed to be an American anymore.
May 15, 2009 - 5:39 pm 170. Chuck Pelto:Yea, Jesus was a wimp. I can see why your party wants to drop him. He wasn’t tough enough. He just loves too many people.
You guys are the party of might and no brains. you must cheat to get elected. We are on to you.
Good luck in finding your Incredible Hulk.
TO: ChipD
RE: Soooooo…..
…..tell US ALL about your years in the US Army? Leading paratroopers and/or Rangers.
I’d REALLY like to hear more of what you have to say about US “wearing designer jeans”.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. I knew that if I ‘hung around’ long enough, my battle dress would come back into ‘fashion’.
P.P.S. Out of curiosity…..
….did YOU ever get 63 total strangers to trust YOU with their very lives?
[Note: A C130 fully packed with paratroopers carries 64 men equipped for combat. One of them is the Jumpmaster. I've done that duty. Numerous times.
Have you?]
May 15, 2009 - 5:45 pm 171. Chuck Pelto:P.P.P.S. I understand how it’s easier to ridicule that which you cannot understand, let alone achieve.
Something to do with a lack of ‘gonads’, as I recall……
May 15, 2009 - 5:57 pm 172. RandyChandler:What is there about this site that attracts these ‘crats? [Assuming one or two come on their own and not on orders from one of Nazi collaborator Sorros' organizations.] Are they here to fill some lack in themselves? Do they hope to assimilate a little masculinity? Or do they come just to show off the latest in ‘crat asshats?
May 15, 2009 - 8:01 pm 173. Bilgeman:#172 RandyChandler:
In answer to your question, I think there are some that consider it to be “reaching out”.
And they get mortally injured and offended when they are told to shove their opinions up their bung-holes with both hands and scurry back to Daily Kos on their elbows.
That’s what WE call “Party Unity”.
Ain’t politics fun?
May 15, 2009 - 9:14 pm 174. mej:Groundswell? More like a gigantic tsunami. Not only are conservatives bearing anger and frustration, so are the moderates who feel ripped off by Obama and the Dems. I’ve already have declared war on RHINOs at the local level. Bring back commonsense, conservative fiscal management and courage. RHINOS! Time to straighten up or ship out….don’t think you are safe because there’s an “R” after you name, we’re calling you out!
May 15, 2009 - 10:54 pm 175. one old democrat:@Randy
Actually we come her for a good laugh!
Thanks for obliging.
May 15, 2009 - 11:18 pm 176. one old democrat:@ Chuck Pelto
Chuck – look I really do appreciate your service to our country. Even while I disagree with you on politics, I still honor your service and patriotism.
However, I think you totally misunderstood what Chip was saying. I think he was referring to an existing (or perhaps fictional) magazine or tv ad.
I would like to suggest that your gripe is not really with him. If a lot of democrats did not enlist after the invasion of Iraq, you got to understand that they were always opposed to it.
My question is this: Some 5-8 million young men voted for G W Bush in 2004. One assumes that they supported the war. A lot of them had yellow ribbons on their PU trucks. But where were they chips were down? They were happy to send you guys off to war, then left it to the same 300,000 or so to be sent back on 2nd 3rd and 4th calls of duty while guzzled beer and waved flags. If I were a military man, these are the ones I would be angry at.
May 15, 2009 - 11:29 pm 177. shaui-jan:172; either deranged,being compensated or just plain wimps who want to hate on someone without getting punched in the face.
May 15, 2009 - 11:56 pm 178. Jor-el:i would like an informed rational democrat to converse with.i have many questions like…where in the hell is paul volker?
I am of the opinion that the GOP would do well to drop some of the social issues and take a more libertarian attitude to personal behavior- get private consensual behavior and medical questions out of the political sphere (or at least remand them to the several states) . This frees them to concentrate on strong defense, free markets, smaller government footprint, and judicial restraint-
What say you?
May 16, 2009 - 12:45 am 179. jmmx:shaui-jan #177
I am surprised at you. I thought that you were open to reasonable discussions, and you come up with that statement: “…or just plain wimps who want to hate on someone without getting punched in the face.”
Hate? hate from the the democrats? Surely we have some anger at having had our country hijaked by the neo-conmen, but you do not see hate in these response. Take a moment and look through all the comments by the conservatives here – there is where yo will find the hate. Listen to Limbaugh for 10 seconds – there you will find the hate.
Did any liberal walk into a church and just start shooting conservatives? NO it was a poor broken conservative guy who walked into a Unitarian church with a shotgun and blasted away until he was jumped by several parishioners. And where did he get all this hatred? Directly from the radical-right talk shows.
And now here you are – wanting to punch someone in the face because they have a different political point of view? I am sorry, but to me that sounds un-American!
May 16, 2009 - 1:30 am 180. Eric Florack:That’s easy., Randy. since I’ve already said this:
And again:
And, yet again:
I think you’ll find these answer your question, Randy.
May 16, 2009 - 5:05 am 181. Eric Florack:Ummmm… didn’t we just take the advice of the left and center when we put John McCain up?
May 16, 2009 - 5:10 am 182. RandyChandler:Tell me, One Old Dem, aren’t you at least a little concerned about what Obama is doing to the nation’s economy with a spending binge, cranking out new money based on hope and wishes, expanding federal government to the point where it will soon control most every aspect of your life?
Yes, yes, I know Bush is guilty of much of the same, but Obama makes Bush look like a, well, a bush-league player.
I believe Obama sees himself as a Dark Avenger, out to right every perceived wrong this nation has ever done. In other words, his “remaking” of America means tearing it down, punishing those he sees as evil (white conservatives, et. al.) and lording over America as a Big Brother collectivist. What I see happening means America will no longer be a free country in Obama World. And his political machine’s corruption already appears to be widespread and deep, with only a few iceberg tips showing so far.
Does any of this worry you? If not, why not? As Dylan said, “Let us not speak falsely now, the hour’s growing late.”
May 16, 2009 - 5:56 am 183. Boris:“What is there about this site that attracts these ‘crats? [Assuming one or two come on their own and not on orders from one of Nazi collaborator Sorros' organizations.] Are they here to fill some lack in themselves? Do they hope to assimilate a little masculinity? Or do they come just to show off the latest in ‘crat asshats?”
Just examining the breadth and depth of the douchebag right.
May 16, 2009 - 6:07 am 184. Bilgeman:#178 Jor El:
“I am of the opinion that the GOP would do well to drop some of the social issues and take a more libertarian attitude to personal behavior- get private consensual behavior and medical questions out of the political sphere.”
You have it exactly backwards, too, chum.
It is the Pro-choicers who are advocating for taxpayer-subsidized, no-questions-asked abortion-on-demand-with-no-parental-notification.
It is the Homosexuals who are militant about bringing THEIR consensual behaviors into public life and having it officially sanctioned by the state.
It is gun-controllers who wish to use state power to infringe upon a specifically enumerated constitutional civil liberty.
It is the eco-kooks who wish to enforce their nightmare vision of a “Green Utopia” upo the rest of us via government power.
Take your concerns over to the Hippie Commune of the Left and lecture to them.
May 16, 2009 - 6:40 am 185. shaui-jan:jmmx;I did not state that I wanted to punch someone in the face.What i did say was that people come in here wanting to spout their irrational vitrioul(hate on people).Behavoir that if done in a public setting,would probably end up with them being smacked.Yes,there are some on the right that do this too.In both instantces,it is counterproductive.
May 16, 2009 - 8:17 am 186. shaui-jan:Again;if there is a liberal/democrat/progressive that would like to engage in reasonable, intelligent discourse,I am all for it.
P.S.i am not a listener of rush,i have been in the past,though.also read one of his books,where is the hate?Is it because he thinks obamas a socialist and wants his policies to fail?(that is the newest one to enrage the shriekers)I’m wagering you never listen to air america…..
jmmx;When some lunatic deceides to start executing people,their political positions become a mute point.IF even 1/100th of one percent of people of either party were like this,the streets would run with blood.
May 16, 2009 - 8:35 am 187. jmmx:@ 181. Eric Florack:
“Ummmm… didn’t we just take the advice of the left and center when we put John McCain up?”
That is a good reasonable question. The answer is rather simple “It’s the economy!”
With the economic melt-down the American people were not about to vote in another Republican. McCain was your only chance since many supported him for (1) his military sacrifices, and (2) precisely because he appeared middle of the road. If you had run a more conservative candidate I believe you would have done far worse, if it had been a someone from the far right you would have been smothered.
IMHO
May 16, 2009 - 8:53 am 188. G Alston:#184 — It is the Pro-choicers who are advocating for taxpayer-subsidized, no-questions-asked abortion-on-demand-with-no-parental-notification.
Pro-choice is the law, meaning this is the mainstream. There is no advocacy except on the part of those who want to change the law. If the anti-abortionists went home, there would no controversy at all. Somehow you don’t quite grasp “advocacy.”
It is the Homosexuals who are militant about bringing THEIR consensual behaviors into public life and having it officially sanctioned by the state.
Yes, homosexuals are advocating change in the law. This is a plus. Many laws are based on religious prejudices and need to be expunged. In some states you can’t buy beer on a Sunday; this too is a religious relic that exists and should not. On the other hand I don’t hear people claiming I’m a “beerist” or accusing me of militance if I suggest this is a silly law. You can’t pick and choose and then claim that the “other side” is the one picking and choosing. Instead, you’re going to have to argue that you don’t like their choice. You won’t do that because you know this is a weak argument based solely on religion. You won’t win.
It is gun-controllers who wish to use state power to infringe upon a specifically enumerated constitutional civil liberty.
Really? Are you claiming you need an AK-47 to hunt deer? What gun control measures are you referring to? (And bear in mind I do in fact go hunting every year.)
It is the eco-kooks who wish to enforce their nightmare vision of a “Green Utopia” upo the rest of us via government power.
There are many instances where government is the right and proper entity to do that which private industry cannot. If your argument is “government power” then you better NEVER use a GPS unit. This is government tech and lofted by government rockets.
Instead, you would make sense if you claimed that green stuff was an *abuse* of right and proper government power. At least you would sound sane.
May 16, 2009 - 8:57 am 189. Bilgeman:#179 jmmx:
“And now here you are – wanting to punch someone in the face because they have a different political point of view? I am sorry, but to me that sounds un-American!”
You don’t know very much at all about American political history, do you?
May 16, 2009 - 9:27 am 190. Eric Florack:Ah, yes… the spirtit of compromise.
May 16, 2009 - 9:56 am 191. jmmx:@ 182. RandyChandler:
Mind if I take on this one?
1- “Tell me, One Old Dem, aren’t you at least a little concerned about what Obama is doing to the nation’s economy with a spending binge, cranking out new money based on hope and wishes”
Thank you for a reasonable question.
YES – I AM concerned. However, unfortunately, I believe we really do not have a choice. Given the economic melt-down of the last year or so, we really have the choice of the lesser of two evils: the bailouts or a spiral down into a 5-10 year depression. Do you really want to see the latter? Of course – we may have been wrong in this – but let me ask you, are you happy about the rising unemployment? Is it a good thing for the country?
Now you may feel that he is dead wrong about the solution, but please, at least give him credit for seriously wanting to solve the problem. I liken it to this: You have a neighbor who is so cheap he hired an incompetent plumber to plumb his gas lines. Now they are leaking and he does not have money to fix them. You can say “Let the bum blow himself up. I don’t care.” Unfortunately he will take the whole block with him. So you curse him, but still you have to chip in and get the work done for your own safety. Of course you also put a mechanics lean on his house. You don’t know if you will ever see anything from it, but hopefully he will pull his act together and pay it all back. Not a real desirable position to be in, but it is what Obama inherited.
2- “…expanding federal government to the point where it will soon control most every aspect of your life?” and the rest.
Look – you seem to have an honest and open attitude. I really appreciate that.
I have to tell you, however, that TO ME this seems like a whole lot of ridiculous right-wing alarmism. “…lording over America as a Big Brother collectivist.” Come on now. Take a look at that from a fresh perspective. Hold in your mind for just one moment a different point of view: [tentative proposition] “Obama is a man who loves his country. He may have political views that are dead wrong, but he is acting in what he perceives to be best, and address serious issues that he truly believes to be critical. He really wants to fix some things that he perceives as broken.”
Now hold that view for just 1 minute and look at what you (and so many others here) say. Now don’t these statements seem just a little bit outrageous? Aren’t they really out on the fringe? If you begin to think that MAYBE this tentative proposition MIGHT be more in line with reality, then you can begin to look closely at him and what he is saying and evaluate him from YOUR own personal, critical perspective – free from all the negative hype of the right-wing talk shows.
More importantly, NOW we can begin to discuss our differences of political views with respect.
Please believe me – I sincerely believe that all this extremist talk of “socialist” and “avenger” is positively laughable. Except that it is so damaging to the country because it is tearing us apart. (Is it unpatriotic to believe this???)
So then – while I do agree with you that the bailouts are alarming – and do need to watched very closely – I do NOT think that concerns such as “and lording over America as a Big Brother collectivist. What I see happening means America will no longer be a free country in Obama World” have any basis in reality.
I have tried here to keep away from partisanship, but I would like to point out that if you are concerned about “no longer a free country” that it was the Bush administration, not the democrats, that was working for unfettered spying on American citizens. The framers of the constitution understood that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We on the left see the Bush administration as moving us much closer to what you say you fear than any democrat ever would.
May 16, 2009 - 10:13 am 192. Bilgeman:#188 G Alston:
“Pro-choice is the law, meaning this is the mainstream.”
Three things strike me about your response here, Alston.
First, I would observe that this “mainstream” item was imposed from the Supreme Court in 1973, which is about as “top-down” as one can get.
Second, the polls do not support your assertion. As reported, most Americans do oppose unrestricted abortion, and conversely. therefor favor some restrictions on the procedure.
Thirdly, you chose to argue right past what I wrote. You’ve proven yourself a smart enough fellow to know this, so I can only infer that your purposely obfuscating the point by falsely equating “abortion-control” with “abortion-banning”.
(I cuts me internet teeth on the gun rights board, chum, so this tactic of yours is, to me, so old it’s got whiskers on it, see?).
“Yes, homosexuals are advocating change in the law.”
Thank you for recognizing the obvious. You stand head and shoulders above most of the other side in this.
“This is a plus.”
No, it’s not. See, this is how we have a debate about the merits, when there are at least two sides to an issue, and all sides get heard.
The Homo lobby isn’t interested in any other side being voiced except their own…thus they “bring the hate” and subject us all to more overheated drama than a backstage fire at an Italian opera house.
That’s the difference between “Democracy” and “Dictatorship”.
“Really? Are you claiming you need an AK-47 to hunt deer? What gun control measures are you referring to?”
I don’t NEED to claim any reason whatsoever for why I wish an AK-47. And since I buy my own firearms, it is none of your affair.
If the pro-choice folks were similarly willing to fund their exercise of that civil right all by themselves, they would meet much less opposition.
That was a hint…take it.
“There are many instances where government is the right and proper entity to do that which private industry cannot. If your argument is “government power” then you better NEVER use a GPS unit. This is government tech and lofted by government rockets.
Instead, you would make sense if you claimed that green stuff was an *abuse* of right and proper government power. At least you would sound sane.”
Government DOES have valid roles to play, but what we are dealing with today is the result of nearly 50 years,(since the publication of “Silent Spring”), of “moving goalposts”.
When government first got involved in ecology, it was as “Conservation”, which I would tend to agree would be a proper and rightful exercise of governments’ power as a steward of the land and waters for future generations.
When it became the secular religion of “Environmentalism”, it became no more than someone else’s alien secular dogma that they seek to shove down everyone’s throats.
May 16, 2009 - 10:24 am 193. KRISTO:AMEN TO COMMENTS #15,#18, AND #19. OH AND DISREGARD #191. GOD BLESS THIS GREAT COUNTRY
May 16, 2009 - 10:53 am 194. shaui-jan:g alston; the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.it is clearly written,you do not take game with ‘arms’.
May 16, 2009 - 11:24 am 195. Tennwriter:as long as one side is using lies and hysteria to place useless bans on commonly used firearms,there will never be any meaninful legislation passed.
get rid of the hoplophobes and we can get something constructive accomplished.
G. Alston,
Bush Sr., Dole, and McCain share many traits. Old, white guys. Charming to be sure. War heroes. Losers in elections. Ran absolutely terrible campaigns.
Why?
Maybe its because America hates War Heroes, but I choose to think its because they were all RINOS.
May 16, 2009 - 11:45 am 196. Chuck Pelto:TO: One Old Democrat
RE: Misunderstanding ChipD
Whatever he is referring to, I doubt if I misunderstood his import. As I’ve seen that sort of childishness in others of his ilk.
RE: Opposition to the War in Iraq
I can understand such opposition, when it is presented in a cogent and rational manner. And I’ve had such discussions with people who opposed the war in the past.
They provide their args. I provide mine. Sometimes they learn something new. Sometimes I do.
My motto in such encounters is….
A clash of doctrines is not a disaster, it’s an opportunity.
But such discussions are few and far between.
RE: The Military Perspective
There are very few people I’ve been angry at. For the most part, I’ve been disappointed that when presented with factual information, they refuse to accept it.
Case in Point: The WMD Arg
That there weren’t any, is one of the most stupid comments that I’ve continually heard. And when I point out a number of facts:
• That Saddam Hussein and his WMDs, that he used them on the Iranians and Kurds.
• That the evidence points to his shipping them to Syria before the invasion.
• That the Syrians suddenly were using chemical agents in Sudan against the southern rebels there.
• That Syria suddenly developed a nuclear weapons program.
• That the Israelis blew that program to oblivion last year.
I mean, it goes in one ear and comes out the other, apparently without meeting any obstruction in between.
It’s so very ’sad’…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S Have you ever played a computer simulation known as Civilization IV?
Maybe we should play a game sometime. I can teach you some thinks about establishing a base of operations in the midst of your enemies and how to use it to overcome your enemies.
May 16, 2009 - 11:53 am 197. G Alston:#192 — Second, the polls do not support your assertion. As reported, most Americans do oppose unrestricted abortion, and conversely. therefor favor some restrictions on the procedure.
South Dakota, 2004. Red State. Abortion ban vote on state ballot. Failed. Same state, 2008. New attempt. Failed.
I have no assertion. Just facts. Ain’t that a bitch?
And by the way if states wanted to ban late term stuff I think almost 99% of the country agrees with that. I certainly do, and I’m pro-choice. The problem is that this is rarely what is sought. See above re SD ban.
What’s the plan? Can you get the “ban it all” people to STFU long enough to get sensible debate re late term to happen?
Probably not.
don’t NEED to claim any reason whatsoever for why I wish an AK-47. And since I buy my own firearms, it is none of your affair.
The 2nd amendment basically says that it’s our civic DUTY to be armed against the government. They didn’t have F-22’s in Washington’s day. In fact, the civilian arms and military arms in that day differed only in the fact that the military owned cannons. Times have changed.
You already can’t own tanks or RPG’s. Realistically you couldn’t defend yourself against the military no matter how many automatic weapons you owned. The debate is where to draw the line, not that such doesn’t exist. You’re arguing the wrong thing, and you lose as a result. Sorry.
Government DOES have valid roles to play, but what we are dealing with today is the result of nearly 50 years,(since the publication of “Silent Spring”), of “moving goalposts”.
This I agree with. Silent Spring was a lie. This ought to be corrected. Environmentalism was once a good thing; now it’s promotion of junk science. See? I’m not always against you.
May 16, 2009 - 11:57 am 198. Chuck Pelto:TO: G Alston
RE: Please….
….stop showing-off your stupidity.
Roe v. Wade was not a vote of Congress, it was a fait accompli by the SCOTUS.
Seriously….
….are you really THAT stupid? Or is it your a sociopathic liar?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 16, 2009 - 11:57 am 199. Tennwriter:[The Truth will out....]
I always knew that RINOs were losers in elections as a general rule of thumb, but I thought it was because they had a program that did not appeal to well, hardly anyone, not even themselves we find out with Christopher Buckley.
But Pournelle elucidated a further step to the problem. The RINO elites can’t get volunteers to build a ground organization of precincts which is what Obama did. I believe Heinlein talked about this in Take Back Your Government on how effective and stealthy such an effort could be. I think Pournelle pretty much said that the Country Clubbers as he calls them have to depend on professionals, or as I call them mercs.
Pros or Mercs; Country Clubbers or RINOs…pretty much the same thing. You say ‘tomato’…
And the plain fact is that volunteers with some training outdo pros in politics. But if the people with a passion think you’re an idiot wuss which is the general opinion of RINOs among the Conservatives, well, its not hard to see why the RINOs have to pay for love.
The RINOs are in a dilemna. They can give over control of the Party to their ideological adversaries the Conservatives of various stripes (Neocons, socons, standard cons, fiscons, and even Libertarians and Ron Paulists and Randians) with the result that Standard Conservatives run things, or they can lose again, and again until they finally split the Party just as they did before with the Whig party where the ‘reasonable men’ tried to dodge the significant issue of the day.
Already, we see a lot of people thinking Third Party. A significant TPM, and we’re talking major losses among the Republicans and major gains among the Democrats.
So, the RINOs are messed over whatever they do. I’d feel more sympathetic, but they seem to deserve this by their lack of principle and their greed for power and wealth.
May 16, 2009 - 1:05 pm 200. Boris:“Ah, yes… the spirtit of compromise.”
Did you not read the comment I was responding to? Did you not find it douchebag-y?
May 16, 2009 - 3:14 pm 201. shaui-jan:g alston.’you couldn’t defend yourself against the military no matter how many automatic weapons you had.’i would have to disagree with you on that one.history is filled with determined people removing an occupying army with just small arms.
the pashtuns are a very good example,they have accomplished this many times.looks like they have a very good chance of pulling it off yet again.
‘can you get the “ban it all” people to STFU long enough to get sensible debate re late term to happen?
probably not’
maybe if we showed them….they are responsible for selling more guns than charlton heston……..or just remind them what happened after jan 20th?
May 16, 2009 - 3:52 pm 202. jmmx:@ 196. Chuck Pelto:
You say:
= = =
Case in Point: The WMD Arg
That there weren’t any, is one of the most stupid comments that I’ve continually heard. And when I point out a number of facts:
1. That Saddam Hussein and his WMDs, that he used them on the Iranians and Kurds.
2. That the evidence points to his shipping them to Syria before the invasion.
3. That the Syrians suddenly were using chemical agents in Sudan against the southern rebels there.
4. That Syria suddenly developed a nuclear weapons program.
5. That the Israelis blew that program to oblivion last year.
= = =
I have never heard of anyone who disputed point #1. (I have heard that the chemical weapons were developed after Donald Rumsfeld, under Reagan, helped to get approval to ship various required precursor chemicals, though I cannot attest to having checked that out thoroughly.)
Point #5 is irrelevant to the existence of a WMD program immediately prior to Bush’s invasion. Points #3 & #4 have relevance only in light of #2. In fact, it seems they are used as evidence for #2.
The intent of #2 is to say that SH actually had an active WMD program in progress prior to the invasion, and that the only reason we could not find any evidence of such programs is that they were shipped off to Syria just prior to the invasion.
I am sorry pal, but I find these allegations to be absolutely and patently absurd. There are several reasons for this.
FIRST –
That a whole real nuclear weapons construction project could be packed up and shipped off to me sounds incredible. I mean, all these huge centrifuges and so on? Perhaps a chemical weapons plant could be disassembled. I might possibly agree (I do not know what is required to produce these things), but I do not think it could be done without leaving chemical traces. That a biological weapons facility could be packed up and moved is also not plausible. I have seen a documentary (long time ago) on the bio program in Russia and the security on these place was phenomenal. I do not mean about any people getting in, I mean about anything getting out. The procedure for leaving was more strict and rigorous than getting into an Intel clean room! The consequences of even one spec of anthrax getting out is horrifying – and definitely blows secrecy.
In fact, this is one of the things that convinced me even before the invasion that Bush’s WMD claims were false. The idea that you could somehow put a biological weapons research/production facility in a truck and haul it over the desert to me is preposterous. (Existing materials in secure containers of course, but a facility – preposterous! IMHO)
SECOND –
To me, the idea that Hussein would ship WMDs to Syria is totally laughable, even if he could. The whole idea was that SH was destabilizing power in the region. You hardly destabilize a region if you give your weapons to others. The fact is that Syria was never any great friend to SH, so Hussein would have been giving WMDs to an enemy – or at very least, a potential enemy. This thinking is predicated on the idea that Syria is bad + SH is bad = therefore they must be friends. This is a incredibly simplistic thinking.
FIANALLY-
Additionally, if SH really HAD WMDs – why the heck didn’t he use them against the invasion? I mean, what did he have to loose? He would rather live for months in a hole in the ground than use them on his attackers? Does not make any sense to me. (I imagine that here will follow a long line of excuses as to how his delivery systems were not yet ready, and…)
In 2006, while in Spain, I met a gentleman who espoused this very idea, that the WMDs were all secretly shipped of to Syria. He claimed to have spent many years working in the Middle East in defense capacity. When I gave him the arguments above, he reluctantly agreed with me that it really was highly unlikely that this transfer had occurred.
I do not mean to be insulting here, merely straight forward…
But to me, the only way someone can believe this allegation is if they stubbornly refuse to face the fact that no evidence of any current WMD programs was found in Iraq after the invasion, and that some excuse – no matter how implausible – needs to be concocted in order to maintain an otherwise untenable position. This position is that the Bush administration was at very best totally wrong in this regard, and (to me much more likely) was deliberately trying to deceive the American people.
May 16, 2009 - 4:14 pm 203. Chuck Pelto:TO: One Old Democrat
RE: Heh
See what I mean?
TO: jmmx
RE: [OT] This is a huge digression….
….but give me an e-mail address and I’ll send you the information you ‘have not seen’.
Or we could discuss it at ‘my place’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 16, 2009 - 4:20 pm 204. jmmx:[The Truth will out.....]
BTW-
Ron Paul knew all this early on, and like a true conservative opposed the involvement in a reckless foreign entanglement.
May 16, 2009 - 4:23 pm 205. shaui-jan:g alston;how many years before the invasion did saddam have to destroy/move/sell the wmds… and if it is nearly impossibe to do because of security reasons/other…where is the evidence of the wmds we knew he had?tons of it…did he burn it?then there would have to be chemical traces by your own logic,where are they?why did he stonewall the un inspecters for years,allowing himself to be economicly strangled….if he had nothing to hide?inquiring minds would like to know.
May 16, 2009 - 4:39 pm 206. shaui-jan:my bad..alston.#205 was inteded for jimmx.
May 16, 2009 - 4:45 pm 207. G Alston:#198 — Roe v. Wade was not a vote of Congress, it was a fait accompli by the SCOTUS.
If you have a problem with how it came to be, take this up in the proper time, place, and context.
How it came to be isn’t germane to the fact that it is, at least in terms of this particular conversation.
Are you really that dense? (Rhetorical. Don’t answer.)
May 16, 2009 - 4:49 pm 208. Chuck Pelto:TO: jmmx
RE: Ron Paul?
Ask me if I care what Ron Paul thinks.
On the other hand, are you declining my ‘offer’?
Not that I didn’t expect that.
TO: One Old Democrat
See what I mean?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 16, 2009 - 4:50 pm 209. Bilgeman:[The Truth will out....]
#197 G Alston:
“South Dakota, 2004. Red State. Abortion ban vote on state ballot. Failed. Same state, 2008. New attempt. Failed.
I have no assertion. Just facts. Ain’t that a bitch?”.
No, not really, because you’re still striving mightily to argue past the point.
Abortion BAN…Failed…Red State. Yeah, I get it.
That’s a whole different kettle of fish than restrictions on abortion, including no federal funding for “abortion as birth control”.
Heck, even YOU conced that:
“And by the way if states wanted to ban late term stuff I think almost 99% of the country agrees with that. I certainly do, and I’m pro-choice.”
So what do we really have left?
“The problem is that this is rarely what is sought. See above re SD ban.”
Yeah-yeah..South Dakota…Red…no ban. You said that. We get it.
But you’re on to something in the “bait and switch” tactic, except that you,too, seem to have it exactly backwards.
When the initiatives came out for parental notification,(did they even ask for permission?), before performing a medical abortion procedure on a female minor…the wailing began, the coat-hangers came out, and the resistance to the assertion of a little thing like common-sense parental responsibility and authority was couched as forcing women into back alley abortions.
And when late-term and “partial-birth”, (thirty-seconds-from-murder),abortions are the targets to be banned or curtailed, the exact same political hot-buttons get pressed by the exact same people and for the exact same reasons…and with the exact same results.
But what is it you say:
“Can you get the “ban it all” people to STFU long enough to get sensible debate re late term to happen?”
No. In point of fact, I don’t think I can. And I wouldn’t even if I could, because they have as much a right to have their POV heard as do those hysterical baby-killing kooks over on the other side of the issue.
And anyway,when they get their absolutist turn-back-the-clock and undo-what-has-been-done agenda defeated at the ballot box, the issue gets refined a little more sharply.
Now could YOU get YOUR crew of militant 8-80, taxpayer-subsidized, “suck it out a second before it pops out on it’s own” folks to likewise STFU and stop trying to have THEIR morality, (or lack of same), imposed upon us by every and any judge that they can buy, browbeat and/or befuddle?
Not likely, huh?
So where does that leave us?
Take the hint…keep the wages of private sin from being deducted out of the public purse.
“They didn’t have F-22’s in Washington’s day. In fact, the civilian arms and military arms in that day differed only in the fact that the military owned cannons.”
What history books have YOU been reading?
Private citizens and groups of citizens owned cannon, fella.
Heck, the US Navy had the devil of a time recruiting manpower because all the experienced seamen in New England had runn off to sea in Privateers, which were privately owned warships.
Which means that they mounted privately-owned cannon…or does someone somewhere expect us to believe that they engaged the Royal Navy with nothing more lethal than harsh language?
“You already can’t own tanks or RPG’s.”
Sure you can…here’s a link to a lady who has her own 57mm Recoilless Rifle:
http://wethearmed.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=01a25da6fe2cb3cff461fb22687c304a&topic=1879.0
(How cool is THAT?)
“Realistically you couldn’t defend yourself against the military no matter how many automatic weapons you owned.”
Really Alston? That insurgency thing in Iraq these past 6 years…have you heard anything about it?
At all?
“This I agree with. Silent Spring was a lie. This ought to be corrected. Environmentalism was once a good thing; now it’s promotion of junk science. See? I’m not always against you.”
Good…you may then have ONE cookie.
May 16, 2009 - 5:12 pm 210. dave:“The left will attack with mindless abandon, anyone who stands up for real conservatism.”
Where are the “real conservatives”? Not here, all I see are venom-dripping right-wing loudmouths who attack anyone who is not a venom-dripping false conservative.
May 16, 2009 - 6:05 pm 211. G Alston:#208 — Really Alston? That insurgency thing in Iraq these past 6 years…have you heard anything about it?
At all?
“Insurgents” vs. police force style ROE doesn’t make your case. It makes *mine*. Sounds to me like you bought the lefty version of the situation. If the 3rd ID (government) was after you and *really* truly wanted to exterminate you, I don’t think an AK-47 is going to be that effective. Just sayin’.
You may want to ask Pelto whether or not civilians with handguns would be an impediment to a motivated 3rd ID.
(How cool is THAT?)
Quite cool. Now, your assignment: go buy a squadron of modern fully prepped tanks with SABOT rounds from your local gun shop. Link me up. Help an online penpal. I’d *love* to have an M-60. Problem is that even the basic thermal sighting and stuff (anything that makes it truly deadly) is probably classified.
…and the resistance to the assertion of a little thing like common-sense parental responsibility and authority was couched as forcing women into back alley abortions.
This argument would make sense only if the state was raping a girl and forcing her to get pregnant. Doesn’t happen. Girl is old enough to get pregnant, and suddenly the parents — who were obviously *so* involved and responsible in raising the little trollop– now get a say in *anything*? I think not.
***
Sorry, but you really are making a lot of arguments that are simply false or have poor starting assumptions.
May 16, 2009 - 6:05 pm 212. Chuck Pelto:TO: G Alston
RE: My ‘Problem’….
….is with your lying fourth-point-of-contact.
That’s all.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 16, 2009 - 6:15 pm 213. jmmx:[The Truth will out....]
Just what we need. RPGs i the hands of the likes of Tim McVey and Jim D. Adkisson.
@208 Chuck
May 16, 2009 - 7:53 pm 214. Eric Florack:What is your “offer”?
Given I wrote the comment you were apparently responding to, the answer to that question should be nothing short of obvious.
Should we all wear larger name tags?
May 16, 2009 - 8:29 pm 215. jmmx:Oh – I see:
“….but give me an e-mail address and I’ll send you the information you ‘have not seen’.
Happy to look over your info, but I am not particularly keen on posting an email address – why not leave me yours. I tried your link, but was not allowed to send you email as I am not a member.
May 16, 2009 - 9:02 pm 216. shaui-jan:you people are clueless.not even making the smallest effort to understand anything about asymmetrical/guerilla warfare.
May 16, 2009 - 9:12 pm 217. jmmx:keep regurgitating your pointless blather.ignorng my posts #205,201.plus,relevent info from people ‘in the know’.please quite trying to pretend you are interested in learning something outside your echo-chamber.if you are aware of anyone on your team desiring to be informed of these matters please feel free to point them this way.and by all means go back to talking about ‘bushcheneymchitler’
p.s. jmmx….go ahead and live out the rest of your days as you are,you seem content with it.
but do not come back pretending to want to learn of things you are unwilling to grasp.
pelto,you tried your best,i commend you.
bilgeman w.t.a…horde member,heh.
@ 205. shaui-jan:
g alston;how many years before the invasion did saddam have to destroy/move/sell the wmds… and if it is nearly impossibe to do because of security reasons/other…where is the evidence of the wmds we knew he had?tons of it…did he burn it?
shaui-jan
If Hussein destroyed his WMDs in the long years before 2002 then he did not have them in 2002 and so the GWB invasion was a waste. Precisely my point. I do not care (for the present issue) if he had them in 1989 only that he did NOT have them in 2002.
What became of them? For more than 10 years the UN inspectors were dismantling his weapons program. That is where they went.
When we got there we looked everywhere and did not find any, none, nada. The invasion was a waste based on lies.
May 16, 2009 - 9:21 pm 218. Bilgeman:G.Alston:
““Insurgents” vs. police force style ROE doesn’t make your case. It makes *mine*. Sounds to me like you bought the lefty version of the situation.”
Alston, old buddy, we weren’t able to secure “Rock’em-sock’em robots” ROE against a bunch of miserable Mesopotamian Pedestrians, (nor rubber truck-tire-soled sandal-wearing Viet Namese rice and marijuana-powered Commies, come to think of it), do you think someone is going to give the thumbs up for “General Sherman, part deux” ROE against Americans in America?
“If the 3rd ID (government) was after you and *really* truly wanted to exterminate you, I don’t think an AK-47 is going to be that effective.”
The AK is just a tool, Alston, it’s the man wielding it who is the weapon.
I think a lot of people would be unpleasantly shocked and surprised at what kind of hell a few hundred dedicated inurgents, unencumbered by a hierarchical command structure, could wreak.
Look what 19 motherphuckas did with nothing more than box-cutters…
Two words: Infarstructure and Logistics…contemplate the effectiveness of our gallant lads in “The Rock of The Marne” division with a vulnerable supply line and a chain of infrastructure that needs constant guarding.
We have been very lucky that our enemies of the past 50 years or so euther had utterly NO appreciation of that, or were not in a position to do anything about it.
“Help an online penpal. I’d *love* to have an M-60. Problem is that even the basic thermal sighting and stuff (anything that makes it truly deadly) is probably classified.”
Well, I couldn’t find an M-60 for ya, but could I interest you in a fully functional T-72?
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/T72_tanks_for_sale_page.htm
It was owned by a little old lady who only used it to drive into town for her monthly cell meeting from the collective farm.
For you, Alston, I’ll throw in a pair of floor mats and a years’ supply of Turtle Wax…
“Girl is old enough to get pregnant, and suddenly the parents — who were obviously *so* involved and responsible in raising the little trollop– now get a say in *anything*? I think not.”
And there you go, happily steering your blinged out new T-72 right past the point again…which WAS,(if you’ll recall), the pro-infanticide folks’ overblown reaction to a perfectly commonsense restriction on underage abortion.
I mean Lord, Alston…by your logic, we should sell handguns to 9 year olds.
Gun ownership is a “right” too, yes?
Happy motoring,chum…and good luck with the insurance. That Limey yakking lizard is gonna have himself a heart attack when he sees what you brung him!
May 16, 2009 - 9:31 pm 219. Chuck Pelto:TO: G Alston & jmmx
RE: More Stupidity
HERE YA GO…..
Knock yourself out….
As for tanks, I knew guys who own some in Denver. And they weren’t in the military.
RE: And Yet Even MORE Stupidity
As they said on SNL in Dan Ackroyd’s Day….
G, you ignorant slut.
You obviously are no student of either military science or history. A bunch of poorly armed Jews held off the Nazi military for five months before the Nazis could finally overwhelm them with superior firepower, i.e., aircraft bombardment and the full force of a several regular divisions.
The only thing that defeated them was a lack of bullets, home-made explosive devices and a lack of food.
So don’t go trying to feed US more of your lies.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 3:16 am 220. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out....]
TO: jmmx
RE: [OT] The Offer
I’ll set up a thread on my site sometime today.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 3:18 am 221. Chuck Pelto:[They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it's worked for over 200 years and hell, we're not using it anymore.]
TO: G Alston
RE: Another Example
If the Davidians had that bazooka and made some molotov cocktails and some ammonium-nitrate/diesel fuel grenades, the story of their end would have been MUCH different.
The FBI would have had to call in heavy artillary or air-strikes to put them down. And how would THAT have looked on Clinton’s administration…..
In truth, the only thing that separates your ability to resist the military is your own stupidity.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 3:31 am 222. RandyChandler:[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]
Thanks, Eric, for the real stimulus that set all us wags to wagging.
Only in ObamAmerica can true conservatives who believe the constitution is worth preserving be tagged “rightwing radicals.”
I’m here to tell you that a lot of us will never live in ObamAmerica. We aren’t capable of the willful blindness necessary to fall in the Community Oranizer-in-Chief’s thrall. As long as Boy-child In The Promised Land Obama is radicalizing the nation according to his impossible socialistic dream, the United States of America will not be united.
As an Thomas Jefferson once said, “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
We’re being herded toward tyranny right now. Some of us will never submit, never give up liberty without a fight to the death.
May 17, 2009 - 5:45 am 223. shaui-jan:Period, End of story.
g alston;anything not covered by the national fire arms act(NFA) is readily available.that includes thermal imaging…third generation(delta)passive night vision….IR laser designaters,laser rangefinders,etc.as well as u.s. army field manuals that include; improvised explosives(how to stop tanks,hit ‘hardened targets’,etc.)laying booby traps,ambushes…..destoying supply lines,surviving behind enemy lines…escape and evasion,i could on and on but you get my point.
yes and even an m-60 or other belt fed .308’s can be easily had.you would just have to slightly…”modify” them.of course,long range rifles would play the most havoc(they aways have)no shortage of them lying around.
the only chance a tyrannical goverment would have of bringing the patriots of this country to their knees…would be if they infected everyone with something horrible and offered the “cure.”
i would almost feel pity to any entity trying to take over the people of this country through force…..
jmmx;If we are to continue to converse,please read my posts carefully enough to where i do not have to repeat myself(i loathe typing).You also seem to pay attention and respond only to the information that fits your narrative,making the discussion more difficult to move forward.Reapeatingly bringing up acts of violence…commited by lone nut cases….that have nothing to do with what we’re talking about,doesn’t help either.
If you want to talk about deranged,violent political radical GROUPS,i could write you a book on them.they usualy end up being left wing though….so i doubt you would be interested.Including many cases where the police got tired of taking casualties and simply blew them all up.
Again if saddam had nothing to hide why did he fight the UN inspecters so hard for so long?The only rational reason is that he had something to hide,and considerng all the places he refused access to…alot of something.Perhaps you know something of this matter you would care to share?
May 17, 2009 - 6:37 am 224. Chuck Pelto:TO: shaui-jan
RE: Heh
Excellent point, but don’t expect these characters to accept ‘rational reason’ or logic.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. You can make ‘HEAT’ round spear out of an empty bottle of champagne, some ammo-nitrate mixed with kerosene and a broom-stick.
So if you have all of those materials in your house, YOU TOO can be said to have bomb-making materials.
Then there’s the interesting things you can do with flour…..
So every home could be considered to have bomb-making materials…..
May 17, 2009 - 8:45 am 225. shaui-jan:g alston.when you said m-60,i did not know you were refering to an abrams.
May 17, 2009 - 9:06 am 226. Robert L. Crocker:tanks aren’t particuly useful when your enemy would have total air supremity.
My sentiments exactly.
May 17, 2009 - 9:21 am 227. G Alston:#225 — g alston.when you said m-60,i did not know you were refering to an abrams.
tanks aren’t particuly useful when your enemy would have total air supremity.
Which is why I spoke of F-22’s etc above. RPG’s etc were a secondary point.
Again if saddam had nothing to hide why did he fight the UN inspecters so hard for so long?
I’ll take “people living in rough neighbourhoods like to appear to be tough” for $1000, Alex.
#221 — The FBI would have had to call in heavy artillary or air-strikes to put them down. And how would THAT have looked on Clinton’s administration…
I wasn’t referring to Waco.
If the reason we have arms is to protect against the government, you can’t simply posit that the ROE would be the same as Waco if the government was determined to whack you. A full on fight is a full on fight.
On the other hand if you submit that government ROE would be like Waco, then small arms or no small arms makes little difference. Trebuchets flinging canisters of mustard gas are more effective than a handgun. I can make mustard gas and all sorts of related nasties very easily. So can you.
Either arms are necessary to protect the citizenry from the government or they are not.
If your argument is “yes they are” then the obvious counter is carpet bombing B-52’s. Handguns B-52’s. If the answer is “no they aren’t” then there ought not be any real problem with the government restricting automatic weapons.
And do restrictions have any real meaning? No. Gun tech has been around for well over 500 years. Any motivated individual with a machine shop can make automatic weapons (I never understood the gun control crowd’s thinking on this, either.)
Is there really a concise and comprehensive gun nut position here that makes sense or is this just another trumped up BS excuse to carp about modern government?
Conservatives stand for things, I’m told. Might be interesting to see if **anything** conservatives stand for makes any rational sense. So far, no. Smaller government? Doesn’t exist. Never has. The conservative position goes south from there.
It’s a great deal more fun being a republican; I can be against the left and vote against them without having to twist my head into the contortions required to be “conservative.” I think the problem for you guys is that *most* republican voters are anti-left, not “conservative”.
May 17, 2009 - 10:36 am 228. Chuck Pelto:TO: shaui-jan
RE: G Alston….
….and knowledge of armored fighting vehicles.
She wouldn’t know an M-60 if it rolled over her in her VW Beetle.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Nor would she know how to defeat one. Let alone an M-1 Abrams…..
[It's 'cocktail' time!]
May 17, 2009 - 10:57 am 229. shaui-jan:chuck pelto.yeah it was a real eye opener reading those army manuals on the subject.at the top of every page it stated’for offical use only’.after every paragraph’do not smoke while preparing’a no brainer you would think when making explosives.
May 17, 2009 - 11:07 am 230. Kevin Jackson:one chapter i found particularly disturbing was when it was describing how to sow fear in the local population.planting a small device to be set off first,followed by a larger one to kill onlookers and emergency workers.even more disgusting than that was the accompanying illustration showing what appeared to be a partialy destroyed church surrounded by curious locals.years later i recognized the method when eric rudolf used it.
i never understood why the DOD would declassify and destribute those manuals.
I couldn’t agree more. And Republican candidates should take a gander at this blogger for what many of us are looking for. http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/republican-solution-to-winning.html
May 17, 2009 - 11:10 am 231. LivefromEPTexas:You know, instead of RINOs I just hear a bunch of WHINE-Os!! No real action or true thought just a call to arms from Keyboard commandos. Wheres the leadership? At least Obama can show leadership. Who do the Conservatives have to lead them? Rush Limbaugh aint running anytime soon.
May 17, 2009 - 11:22 am 232. shaui-jan:g alston;’people in rough nieghbourhoods like to appear to be tough’yeah he looked real tough coming out of that hole looking like the uni-bomber with a tan.he had good reason to stonewall the inspecters and it wasn’t because of being scared of iran.he needed time to ‘kiester his stash’ in case we invaded.up until then he figured we wouldn’t come through on our threats.i wonder where he got that idea in his head from?after 9/11 he crapped his pants…because he knew what was coming.
May 17, 2009 - 11:46 am 233. Chuck Pelto:as far as your other argument;your original statement was ‘you could not fight off an occupying army with just small arms’(im paraphrasing here).that has been throughly debunked.
BTW,the idea is not small goverment…..it is limited goverment.and yes i am ‘anti-left’.read george orwell’s nonfiction ‘the road to wigan pier’.the left were control freaks then,just as they are now.i am an individualist,statism repulses me.just as it did orwell when he realized what really motivates them.
P.S. For the uniformed, it’s easy enough to take out aircraft….
….you strike them on the ground…..
May 17, 2009 - 12:46 pm 234. Chuck Pelto:Oops….
That should read “UNINFORMED”, as in, totally clueless….
May 17, 2009 - 12:47 pm 235. Jon:Out here in California we’re voting in a special election on Tuesday. Propositions 1A through 1F are being touted as “reform” by our political masters. But in reality they are hidden tax increases. All polls indicate the propositions are going to go down to defeat. We here in California are FED UP TO HERE with all the tax hikes and are DOING something about it. What’s left of the conservatives here have already taken off the gloves and have realized we’re in a fight for survival.
If Carrie Prejean were to run for Governor of California in 2010, I’d vote for her in a HEARTBEAT. I’d settle for her running for that tired old hag Boxer’s Senate seat (and beating Boxer). Plus, she’s VERY easy on the eyes. Time to purge the lily-livered, weak-kneed girlie men masquerading as moderates and bring in some REAL men and women with steel backbones and strong leadership to the GOP.
May 17, 2009 - 12:51 pm 236. Chuck Pelto:TO: G Alston
RE: More Foolishness
Idiot.
Waco. Warsaw Ghetto. It’s all same-same. And only a fool wouldn’t be able to recognize that.
The final assault on the Davidians was as the final assault on the Warsaw Ghetto. An all out military operation.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 12:58 pm 237. RandyChandler:[Some people NEVER 'learn'.]
“You know, instead of RINOs I just hear a bunch of WHINE-Os!! No real action or true thought just a call to arms from Keyboard commandos. Wheres the leadership? At least Obama can show leadership. Who do the Conservatives have to lead them? Rush Limbaugh aint running anytime soon.”
And this is what passes for “true thought” in ObamAmerica? Texans I know would scrape that crap off their boots in a Fort Worth minute.
May 17, 2009 - 12:59 pm 238. Bilgeman:#227 G Alston:
“If your argument is “yes they are” then the obvious counter is carpet bombing B-52’s. Handguns B-52’s.”
You rather overlook the fact that a B-52 is utterly useless without a pilot to fly it.
THAT’S where a handgun can win that particular match-up.
May 17, 2009 - 1:31 pm 239. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: The ‘Gloves’ Are Coming Off
A heckler interrupted The One at Notre Dame.
He was given the ‘bums rush’ by the police there.
Instead of what happened to Tancredo several weeks ago at UNC, where they hustled HIM out in the face of protesters.
There is a key ‘indicator’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 3:06 pm 240. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out....]
TO: All
RE: The Obama Speech
In it he calls for ‘common ground’. That’s a laugh. After years of his followers, as G Alston, sheesh, PoM and so many other here have absolutely NO respect for such a concept. Now that he and they are in power, they—once again—call for peace and calm to prevail. After they’ve proven that such tactics avail no one.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 3:15 pm 241. Chuck Pelto:[Nice guys finish last. -- Vince Lombardi]
TO: All
RE: Addendum on the Speech
He calls for “open hearts and open minds”.
Where’s One Old Democrat? I wonder if they think the likes of G Alston and sheesh, et al., meet those criteria?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Education, v., To replace an empty mind with an open one.]
P.S. Except when it comes to the vaunted American public education system.
P.P.S. I ran into an individual who decided to sit in on his son’s history class.
The ‘teacher’, i.e., indoctrinator, asked the gentleman to leave. He refused.
The ‘teacher’ presented a class.
That night at home, the son said that was NOT the class they were told to expect….
May 17, 2009 - 3:42 pm 242. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Bumper Sticker Idea
Based on that television ad about….
It’s ten o’clock. Do you know where YOUR children are?
Instead, I suggest THIS….
It’s ten AM. Do you know what your children are being taught?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 3:53 pm 243. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out....]
TO: All
RE: The ‘Gloves Off’ Approach with The One
I understand that Obama has opened a channel to the White House on the internet. You can send him an e-mail-esque question or suggestion.
I suggest we offer the idiocy of his followers here and ask him to explain this new concept of ‘open hearts and open minds’ to them.
Let’s see what happens……eh?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Anyone care to place a wager on the ‘result’?
Indeed, the ‘result’ will be VERY telling vis-a-vis his veracity. And, I suspect there will be no change. After all, he HAS been proven to be an outright liar….of the first order.
And even his followers, one-by-one, are beginning to recognize that.
The question becomes, when will they actually ‘wake up’ to being thrown under the proverbial ‘bus’.
I would suggest that we all look for who is benefiting from all of this. And, based on what I’ve observed to date, the answer is the Communist Chinese…..
Can’t ‘imagine’ why……NOT!
May 17, 2009 - 4:05 pm 244. Bilgeman:#243 Chuck Pelto:
“I suggest we offer the idiocy of his followers here and ask him to explain this new concept of ‘open hearts and open minds’ to them.
Let’s see what happens……eh?”
God no, what a HORRIBLE idea!
Not with so many senior Cabinet posts left to fill.
“P.S. Anyone care to place a wager on the ‘result’?”
Nope.
Sit down a spell Colonel, and try wrapping your head around the idea of being the guy responsible for bringing to the Alleged Hawaiian’s attention:
“Pastor of Muppets…Deputy Assitant National Security Advisor”.
Leave these weevils to toil away chewing on the scraps from the PJM table in their well-deserved obscurity.
Not worth the risk, suh!
May 17, 2009 - 8:38 pm 245. sheesh:Kick them in the head!
May 18, 2009 - 8:08 am 246. Boris:Do you guys masturbate whilst fantasizing about fomenting an armed resistance to the Obama administration? I bet you do. Remember, baby Jesus is watching you.
May 18, 2009 - 8:15 am 247. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: [OT] Heh
I’d say this was a key indicator of Boris’ ’sexual-orientation’. As I’ve commented before in various places, it all boils down to ’sex’ with homosexuals.
As with sheesh and OOMO, it’s just a matter of time before the truth comes out.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 18, 2009 - 11:14 am 248. Ed Wallis:[The Truth will out.....]
Hey Chuck #247!
Maybe Boris and sheesh have already “taken off the gloves” and are busy m’ing each other…
…it sure would explain their non-responsive, agitiated, and greasy posts…eh?!
May 18, 2009 - 11:37 am 249. Chuck Pelto:TO: Ed Wallis
RE: PULEASE!!!!
I just finished LUNCH…..blech!!!!!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 18, 2009 - 12:07 pm 250. Ed Wallis:P.S. Not nearly as interesting a thought as the lesbian porno flick scenes in The Black Dahlia…..
Dear Chuck,
Sorry…I hope the (in)digestion will not be too difficult [apologies...heh!].
Black Dahlia?
Black Orpheus. Check.
White Christmas. Check.
Purple Heart. Check.
Honky Tonk Blues. Check.
Green green grass of Home. Check.
Yellow Rose. Check.
Oranges…fresh picked from the tree. Check (glug glug glug…).
Red River. Check.
Lookee see research project for after dinner.
May 18, 2009 - 2:29 pm 251. G Alston:#247 — I’d say this was a key indicator of Boris’ ’sexual-orientation’. As I’ve commented before in various places, it all boils down to ’sex’ with homosexuals.
Given that this isn’t your first such accusation regarding other posters, I’d say this was a key indicator of *your* hangups.
May 18, 2009 - 2:45 pm 252. Chuck Pelto:TO: Ed Wallis
RE: [OT] The Black Dahlia
The Black Dahlia
A grisly [think Jack the Ripper] murder mystery set in post-WWII LA. Bottom line is EVERYBODY is GUILTY!
The distaff described it as a 1940s Greek Tragedy. Where damn near everybody dies and the survivors aren’t much better off.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 18, 2009 - 3:01 pm 253. Chuck Pelto:[California raisins murdered: Cereal Killer suspected]
TO: G Alston
RE: [OT] Still….
….having trouble with comprehension, dearie?
My only hang-up is with liars and hypocrites like you.
If homosexuals want to destroy themselves, that’s just tragic to me. It’s not reason to get as upset as I do with your ilk.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 18, 2009 - 3:08 pm 254. Bilgeman:[Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]
#248 Ed Wallis:
“Maybe Boris and sheesh have already “taken off the gloves” and are busy m’ing each other…”
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=snoodling
May 18, 2009 - 4:27 pm 255. Chuck Pelto:TO: Bilgeman
RE: Heh
I wouldn’t touch that link with a ten-foot Pole. I wouldn’t have the ten-foot Pole touch it either.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 18, 2009 - 4:55 pm 256. sheesh:[Now THAT's 'comedy'. -- Slappy Squirrel]
254 BM3K . . . Carefullllll . . . .Resist . . . resist . . . think of Yogi Berra . . . or Donald Trump . . . wait, that might be the wrong direction, how about the Black Dahlia . . . Chuck’s teetering on the edge of relapse, too (and him with such adult perspective so freely dispensed) . . . I know it’s difficult, what with Delia evoking the “sticky” word and all . . . and now this Ed Wallis character stirring up all those latent feelingz. Fight the good fight BM3K. Stand tall. Turn away from the evil forces that want to suck you into that black hole of depravity. We’re all rooting for you here.
May 19, 2009 - 6:30 am 257. Bilgeman:#256 blog-slave:
“…want to suck you into that black hole of depravity. We’re all rooting for you here.”
Again with the sucking and the holes, huh,freak-lad?
What’s the matter, business been down at the truck-stop restroom, eh?
Sorry, mutant…I won’t be slipping any 5-spots under your toilet stall partition.
May 19, 2009 - 7:16 am 258. sheesh:257 BM3K
And the fall from grace is complete. Like a pike to a Hula Popper.
May 19, 2009 - 6:22 pm