Comments on: AP: The Internet’s Big Bully http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/ Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:43:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Idkal » Blog Archive » AP’s Gander Gets Goosed by Blog http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-85440 Idkal » Blog Archive » AP’s Gander Gets Goosed by Blog Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:08:23 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-85440 [...] Associated Press, which is currently threatening legal action against bloggers who quote excerpts of AP stories, has been caught extensively quoting from a blog without [...] [...] Associated Press, which is currently threatening legal action against bloggers who quote excerpts of AP stories, has been caught extensively quoting from a blog without [...]

]]> By: WebElf Report News Blogroll « The WebElf Report http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-65099 WebElf Report News Blogroll « The WebElf Report Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:05:26 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-65099 [...] Malkin– “Hey, Associated Press: You owe me at least $132,125!” AP: The Internet’s Big Bully …. [...] [...] Malkin– “Hey, Associated Press: You owe me at least $132,125!” AP: The Internet’s Big Bully …. [...]

]]> By: Pajamas Media » PJM Political 6/19/08: The Man Can’t Bust Our Podcast! http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-62506 Pajamas Media » PJM Political 6/19/08: The Man Can’t Bust Our Podcast! Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:25:21 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-62506 [...] Silence of the Knoxville News-Sentinel on the Associated Press’s dunning notice to the Drudge Retort parody [...] [...] Silence of the Knoxville News-Sentinel on the Associated Press’s dunning notice to the Drudge Retort parody [...]

]]> By: Associated Press y el derecho de cita -- El Blog de Manuel Delgado http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-62112 Associated Press y el derecho de cita -- El Blog de Manuel Delgado Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:16:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-62112 [...] es la reacción de la Associated Press? Amenazar con demandas y, de hecho, llevarlas a cabo. Pero… ¿a quién amenazan y a quién demandan? A bloggers. Sí, a bloggers. ¿Por qué si el [...] [...] es la reacción de la Associated Press? Amenazar con demandas y, de hecho, llevarlas a cabo. Pero… ¿a quién amenazan y a quién demandan? A bloggers. Sí, a bloggers. ¿Por qué si el [...]

]]> By: Dave Surls http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-62040 Dave Surls Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:34:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-62040 The AP is full of crap. They can take my picture and use it to sell newspapers, and they don't have to pay me a share or ask my permission, as long as they're doing it for news reporting purposes. That's because my ordinary intellectual property right to my own image doesn't exist in that case because we've deemed that news reporting is important enough to set aside the issue of property. And the same thing goes for people who are using AP articles or photos for news reporting purposes. AP can't take a picture of my mug, sell it to a newspaper, then demand that some blogger pay AP before they replicate said picture of my image. If it belongs to anyone, it belongs to me. When it comes to words, AP quotes people every day of the week, and they don't pay them dime one, and they don't have to ask permission to do so...and if they can do that, then so can we, when it comes to THEIR printed words. It's time the Justice Department stepped on these maggots, made them stop threatening people (there's a word for what they're doing, and the word is extortion, and it happens to be illegal), and taught them that the fair use laws aren't there to give them a monopoly on news reporting. The AP is full of crap. They can take my picture and use it to sell newspapers, and they don’t have to pay me a share or ask my permission, as long as they’re doing it for news reporting purposes.

That’s because my ordinary intellectual property right to my own image doesn’t exist in that case because we’ve deemed that news reporting is important enough to set aside the issue of property. And the same thing goes for people who are using AP articles or photos for news reporting purposes.

AP can’t take a picture of my mug, sell it to a newspaper, then demand that some blogger pay AP before they replicate said picture of my image. If it belongs to anyone, it belongs to me.

When it comes to words, AP quotes people every day of the week, and they don’t pay them dime one, and they don’t have to ask permission to do so…and if they can do that, then so can we, when it comes to THEIR printed words.

It’s time the Justice Department stepped on these maggots, made them stop threatening people (there’s a word for what they’re doing, and the word is extortion, and it happens to be illegal), and taught them that the fair use laws aren’t there to give them a monopoly on news reporting.

]]> By: Mary http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-62023 Mary Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:01:05 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-62023 I'm in, John Samford. Having had to work with AP's um, "product," has left me feeling lightly coated with slime for years. As SFC Cheryl said, bring it. I’m in, John Samford. Having had to work with AP’s um, “product,” has left me feeling lightly coated with slime for years.

As SFC Cheryl said, bring it.

]]> By: John Samford http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-62020 John Samford Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:36:53 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-62020 Want to do in the AP? Let the class action suit be the holding attack. While that is going on attack their bank accounts by examining their corporate structure and determining where a boycott would have the greatest affect. I'm trying to get a professional to look at that now. If several thousand bloggers were made aware of this threat to them and would be willing to give a few minutes a day to fighting AP, we could bring them down in a few months. A year at most. Want to do in the AP? Let the class action suit be the holding attack. While that is going on attack their bank accounts by examining their corporate structure and determining where a boycott would have the greatest affect.
I’m trying to get a professional to look at that now. If several thousand bloggers were made aware of this threat to them and would be willing to give a few minutes a day to fighting AP, we could bring them down in a few months. A year at most.

]]> By: Associated Press The Blogger Bites back http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-61700 Associated Press The Blogger Bites back Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:55:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-61700 [...] it looks like Brian C. Ledbetter over at PajamasMedia has been feeling the AP heat lately [...] [...] it looks like Brian C. Ledbetter over at PajamasMedia has been feeling the AP heat lately [...]

]]> By: John Samford http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-61675 John Samford Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:35:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-61675 LWC, you are missing a critical difference between a quote and a cut n' paste. The attribute. Put a HT: with a name after the C'NP and presto-chango, it's a quote and protected by reams of law, That said, never forget the law isn't a line so much as a string. It can be and is adjusted to the point where one can walk pretty much where one wants without stepping over the string/line. That is what Lawyers do, argue over where the string should be. Judges decide who has the superior string position. Juries (under those legal systems that use juries) decide if the line/string was crossed. That slack in the string is called 'justice'. There is no need to set up standards, since those standards already exist in the form of what might be the worlds oldest international treaty. We are just debating the relative position of string and feet. I disagree with LwC. The law distinguishes between fact and fiction in writing. LwC wants to treat an AP story as if it was a work of fiction. I won't argue against that, since so much of their work IS fiction. AP's entire existence is based around selling FACTS to news organizations that then package and re-sell those facts. Yet AP is claiming the rights of a fiction writer. IMHO, to sell fiction as fact is FRAUD. So AP has to decide. Fact or Fiction? If they are selling facts, they have to live with the laws concerning facts, which means no copyright protection. Fair usage applies and ANYONE can C'NP so long as they attribute. This really needs to go to court. Let the system work like it was designed to. AP doesn't want to go to court. That would be VERY awkward for them. They want to use the threat of court to intimidate bloggers. Not sure where the string lies on that. One would think that Lawmail was at least against the ethics code (stop laughing, that wasn't a joke) of the legal profession. I'll bet a clever Lawyer could stretch the laws against torture to cover that. LWC, you are missing a critical difference between a quote and a cut n’ paste. The attribute. Put a HT: with a name after the C’NP and presto-chango, it’s a quote and protected by reams of law,
That said, never forget the law isn’t a line so much as a string. It can be and is adjusted to the point where one can walk pretty much where one wants without stepping over the string/line. That is what Lawyers do, argue over where the string should be.
Judges decide who has the superior string position. Juries (under those legal systems that use juries) decide if the line/string was crossed. That slack in the string is called ‘justice’.
There is no need to set up standards, since those standards already exist in the form of what might be the worlds oldest international treaty. We are just debating the relative position of string and feet.

I disagree with LwC. The law distinguishes between fact and fiction in writing. LwC wants to treat an AP story as if it was a work of fiction. I won’t argue against that, since so much of their work IS fiction. AP’s entire existence is based around selling FACTS to news organizations that then package and re-sell those facts. Yet AP is claiming the rights of a fiction writer.
IMHO, to sell fiction as fact is FRAUD.
So AP has to decide. Fact or Fiction? If they are selling facts, they have to live with the laws concerning facts, which means no copyright protection. Fair usage applies and ANYONE can C’NP so long as they attribute.
This really needs to go to court. Let the system work like it was designed to.
AP doesn’t want to go to court. That would be VERY awkward for them. They want to use the threat of court to intimidate bloggers. Not sure where the string lies on that.
One would think that Lawmail was at least against the ethics code (stop laughing, that wasn’t a joke) of the legal profession. I’ll bet a clever Lawyer could stretch the laws against torture to cover that.

]]> By: >bt: AP’s Gander Gets Goosed by Blog http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/comment-page-1/#comment-61603 >bt: AP’s Gander Gets Goosed by Blog Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:52:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ap-the-internets-big-bully/#comment-61603 [...] Gander Gets Goosed by Blog 17 June 2008 @ 11:52PM The Associated Press, which is currently threatening legal action against bloggers who quote excerpts of AP stories, has been caught extensively quoting from a blog without [...] [...] Gander Gets Goosed by Blog 17 June 2008 @ 11:52PM The Associated Press, which is currently threatening legal action against bloggers who quote excerpts of AP stories, has been caught extensively quoting from a blog without [...]

]]>