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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Dark Helmet, et al.
RE: Someone75 and Healings

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;someone 75 You are not worthy to polish Chucks boots. As many time as he’s put you under the &lt;b&gt;heal&lt;/b&gt; of them....&lt;/i&gt; -- Dark Helmet [emphasis added]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Clever! Was that misspelling intentional? Or an act of the &#039;spirits&#039;?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Sometimes, all it takes to get people thinking right is a swift kick in their fourth-point-of-contact. -- CBPelto, as inspired by Dark Helmet]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Dark Helmet, et al.<br />
RE: Someone75 and Healings</p>
<blockquote><p><i>someone 75 You are not worthy to polish Chucks boots. As many time as he’s put you under the <b>heal</b> of them&#8230;.</i> &#8212; Dark Helmet [emphasis added]</p></blockquote>
<p>Clever! Was that misspelling intentional? Or an act of the &#8217;spirits&#8217;?</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[Sometimes, all it takes to get people thinking right is a swift kick in their fourth-point-of-contact. -- CBPelto, as inspired by Dark Helmet]</p>
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		<title>By: Pesky Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pesky Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traditionally, youthful &quot;rebellion&quot; would see our younger generations espousing more conservative can-do perspectives instead of parotting the Marxist-in-sheep&#039;s-clothing ideologies of their teachers and professors. But we CANNOT EXPECT to EVER see that from the aforementioned generations because they have been &quot;cleansed&quot; of the allegedly nefarious influence of testosterone. Generations of feminist extremism have produced generations of &quot;pink men&quot; incapable of acting upon the traditional male instinct to ASSERT individuality and freedom, at least within the context of &#039;personal space&quot;. But there is no &quot;male space&#039; left for males to share and/or stake a claim to. That has been sacrificed at the altars of various leftist ideologies, too.

My wife and I NEVER regretted our decision to make the necessary sacrifices in order to send our children to private schools dedicated to EDUCATION and not BRAINWASHING. 

Today, our sons are MEN who - unfortunately for them, btw - MANAGE legions of these &quot;pink men&quot;/eunuchs in industry. I hear about the challenges they confront getting these eunuchs to PRODUCE anything virtually every weekend. But it makes for great laughs! Our daughter is a fully realized woman - a orthodontist, btw - with a husband and kids of her own (also in private schools, like our sons&#039; children).

Raising children who can THINK FOR THEMSELVES and MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES can still be accomplished, but it takes personal sacrifice. Ultimately, it&#039;s worth every penny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traditionally, youthful &#8220;rebellion&#8221; would see our younger generations espousing more conservative can-do perspectives instead of parotting the Marxist-in-sheep&#8217;s-clothing ideologies of their teachers and professors. But we CANNOT EXPECT to EVER see that from the aforementioned generations because they have been &#8220;cleansed&#8221; of the allegedly nefarious influence of testosterone. Generations of feminist extremism have produced generations of &#8220;pink men&#8221; incapable of acting upon the traditional male instinct to ASSERT individuality and freedom, at least within the context of &#8216;personal space&#8221;. But there is no &#8220;male space&#8217; left for males to share and/or stake a claim to. That has been sacrificed at the altars of various leftist ideologies, too.</p>
<p>My wife and I NEVER regretted our decision to make the necessary sacrifices in order to send our children to private schools dedicated to EDUCATION and not BRAINWASHING. </p>
<p>Today, our sons are MEN who &#8211; unfortunately for them, btw &#8211; MANAGE legions of these &#8220;pink men&#8221;/eunuchs in industry. I hear about the challenges they confront getting these eunuchs to PRODUCE anything virtually every weekend. But it makes for great laughs! Our daughter is a fully realized woman &#8211; a orthodontist, btw &#8211; with a husband and kids of her own (also in private schools, like our sons&#8217; children).</p>
<p>Raising children who can THINK FOR THEMSELVES and MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES can still be accomplished, but it takes personal sacrifice. Ultimately, it&#8217;s worth every penny!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thirteen year-old niece, here on Fantasy Island AKA San Francisco, thinks George Bush is worse than Hitler. But, as a product of the sixties, I didn&#039;t start using critical thinking consistently until I was deep into my twenties. Looking back, however, I think the kernal of a conservative perspective must have always been there. Naturally? Influenced/nurtured by parents? I&#039;ll never know what the deciding factor was, I suppose. 

What&#039;s sad to me is hearing people here around my age (61) sounding like my niece. Some age but don&#039;t mature, I think. Uncritical belief feels so much better for some and requires so much less mental effort than the complexities of harsh reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thirteen year-old niece, here on Fantasy Island AKA San Francisco, thinks George Bush is worse than Hitler. But, as a product of the sixties, I didn&#8217;t start using critical thinking consistently until I was deep into my twenties. Looking back, however, I think the kernal of a conservative perspective must have always been there. Naturally? Influenced/nurtured by parents? I&#8217;ll never know what the deciding factor was, I suppose. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s sad to me is hearing people here around my age (61) sounding like my niece. Some age but don&#8217;t mature, I think. Uncritical belief feels so much better for some and requires so much less mental effort than the complexities of harsh reality.</p>
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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, for those of you that think that Rand is too hard for high school or junior high, remember Anthem. A simpler, more graceful sci-fi novel is hard to find, and it is directly relevant to the challenges we face today.

We the living, while somewhat more mature in its outlook and content is a rich and moving romance, with very little formal philosophical exposition. It too is directly, almost journalistically relevant to our continuing confrontation with Russia, China, N. Korea, Cuba and Venezuela.

Both are in their own ways celebrations of the heroic spirit and the importance of reason and intellectual independence.

They are well within the reach of a moderately literate high school student. And Anthem particularly is easy for Junior High students to grasp.

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I will add that I and most of my friends read most of the dystopian novels before the end of high school.

That is: Animal Farm, 1984, Brave New World, Island, Fahrenheit 451.

Most of us were well served by the experience.

It has been a tragic disappointment and a real eye opener to watch over the years as some of us remembered and applied the lessons we learned then, and others simply forgot and became the villains and victims we read about back when.

So yes, Fountainhead and Atlas may be a bit much for the average student till college (we produce so many semi-literates and illiterates these days) although they are within the reach of the brighter kids.

But Anthem and We The Living should be fine, and I strongly recommend them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, for those of you that think that Rand is too hard for high school or junior high, remember Anthem. A simpler, more graceful sci-fi novel is hard to find, and it is directly relevant to the challenges we face today.</p>
<p>We the living, while somewhat more mature in its outlook and content is a rich and moving romance, with very little formal philosophical exposition. It too is directly, almost journalistically relevant to our continuing confrontation with Russia, China, N. Korea, Cuba and Venezuela.</p>
<p>Both are in their own ways celebrations of the heroic spirit and the importance of reason and intellectual independence.</p>
<p>They are well within the reach of a moderately literate high school student. And Anthem particularly is easy for Junior High students to grasp.</p>
<p>=======</p>
<p>I will add that I and most of my friends read most of the dystopian novels before the end of high school.</p>
<p>That is: Animal Farm, 1984, Brave New World, Island, Fahrenheit 451.</p>
<p>Most of us were well served by the experience.</p>
<p>It has been a tragic disappointment and a real eye opener to watch over the years as some of us remembered and applied the lessons we learned then, and others simply forgot and became the villains and victims we read about back when.</p>
<p>So yes, Fountainhead and Atlas may be a bit much for the average student till college (we produce so many semi-literates and illiterates these days) although they are within the reach of the brighter kids.</p>
<p>But Anthem and We The Living should be fine, and I strongly recommend them.</p>
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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason S.: 

A big 10-4.

Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason S.: </p>
<p>A big 10-4.</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
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		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;David S

why do you have to resort to lying?

read marx biography by Robert Payne, read marx letters to engels,
read SOMETHING if you don&#039;t have learning disability of course

 and don&#039;t make a clown out of yourself
marx effectively killed his 3 children in a slummy place he put them in London, fathered a child from his servant and on and on..

marx as it is known from any source on his life

was one of the filthiest and devilish human being ever lived</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;David S</p>
<p>why do you have to resort to lying?</p>
<p>read marx biography by Robert Payne, read marx letters to engels,<br />
read SOMETHING if you don&#8217;t have learning disability of course</p>
<p> and don&#8217;t make a clown out of yourself<br />
marx effectively killed his 3 children in a slummy place he put them in London, fathered a child from his servant and on and on..</p>
<p>marx as it is known from any source on his life</p>
<p>was one of the filthiest and devilish human being ever lived</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kabud,

Personal attacks against Marx, now?

I suppose if you can&#039;t argue your case on the merits, this is the tactic of choice.

Peace.

DS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kabud,</p>
<p>Personal attacks against Marx, now?</p>
<p>I suppose if you can&#8217;t argue your case on the merits, this is the tactic of choice.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: kabud</title>
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		<dc:creator>kabud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the best vaccination against Marxism is pages 147-155 of J.R.Nyquist book

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Origins-4th-World-War/dp/B000EVFCK8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1229624895&amp;sr=1-2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.amazon.com/Origins-4th-World-War/dp/B000EVFCK8/ref=sr_1_2&lt;/a&gt;


i could not find quotations online but some similar is here

http://marxwords.blogspot.com/
A violent man will beget violent ideas. As noted earlier, Bruno Bauer had taught that a world catastrophe was in the making. From an early age Marx was possessed of the idea that Doomsday was around the corner. Johnson notes that Marx&#039;s poetry includes expressions of &quot;savagery . . . intense pessimism about the human condition, hatred, a fascination with corruption and violence, suicide pacts and pacts with the devil.&quot; A poem about Marx, variously attributed to Engels and to Bauer&#039;s brother Edgar, describes him as &quot;A dark fellow from Trier, a vigorous monster, / . . . / With angry fist clenched, he rants ceaselessly, / As though ten thousand devils held him by the hair.&quot;

In Marx&#039;s personal life, violence was never far from the surface. He was verbally abusive, and arguments were common within his family. According to an Encyclopedia Britannica account on Marx, his father even expressed fears that Jenny von Westphalen was &quot;destined to become a sacrifice to the demon that possessed his son.&quot; Jenny commented early about the rancor and irritation she often experienced in dealing with her fiance.

Summarizing Marx&#039;s animosities, the late British historian Sir Arthur Bryant wrote: &quot;Among his innumerable hates were the Christian religion, his parents, his wife&#039;s uncle—&#039;the hound&#039;—his German kinsfolk, his own race—&#039;Ramsgate is full of fleas and Jews&#039;, the Prussian reactionaries, the Liberal and utopian Socialist allies, the labouring population—&#039;Lumpenproletariat&#039; or &#039;riff-raff&#039;—democracy—&#039;parliamentary cretinism&#039;—and the British royal family—&#039;the English mooncalf and her princely urchins,&#039; as he called them. His self-imposed task he defined as &#039;the ruthless criticism of everything that exists.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the best vaccination against Marxism is pages 147-155 of J.R.Nyquist book</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Origins-4th-World-War/dp/B000EVFCK8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1229624895&amp;sr=1-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Origins-4th-World-War/dp/B000EVFCK8/ref=sr_1_2</a></p>
<p>i could not find quotations online but some similar is here</p>
<p><a href="http://marxwords.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://marxwords.blogspot.com/</a><br />
A violent man will beget violent ideas. As noted earlier, Bruno Bauer had taught that a world catastrophe was in the making. From an early age Marx was possessed of the idea that Doomsday was around the corner. Johnson notes that Marx&#8217;s poetry includes expressions of &#8220;savagery . . . intense pessimism about the human condition, hatred, a fascination with corruption and violence, suicide pacts and pacts with the devil.&#8221; A poem about Marx, variously attributed to Engels and to Bauer&#8217;s brother Edgar, describes him as &#8220;A dark fellow from Trier, a vigorous monster, / . . . / With angry fist clenched, he rants ceaselessly, / As though ten thousand devils held him by the hair.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Marx&#8217;s personal life, violence was never far from the surface. He was verbally abusive, and arguments were common within his family. According to an Encyclopedia Britannica account on Marx, his father even expressed fears that Jenny von Westphalen was &#8220;destined to become a sacrifice to the demon that possessed his son.&#8221; Jenny commented early about the rancor and irritation she often experienced in dealing with her fiance.</p>
<p>Summarizing Marx&#8217;s animosities, the late British historian Sir Arthur Bryant wrote: &#8220;Among his innumerable hates were the Christian religion, his parents, his wife&#8217;s uncle—&#8217;the hound&#8217;—his German kinsfolk, his own race—&#8217;Ramsgate is full of fleas and Jews&#8217;, the Prussian reactionaries, the Liberal and utopian Socialist allies, the labouring population—&#8217;Lumpenproletariat&#8217; or &#8216;riff-raff&#8217;—democracy—&#8217;parliamentary cretinism&#8217;—and the British royal family—&#8217;the English mooncalf and her princely urchins,&#8217; as he called them. His self-imposed task he defined as &#8216;the ruthless criticism of everything that exists.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Helmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Helmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone 75 You are not worthy to polish Chucks boots. As many time as he&#039;s put you under the heal of them, you&#039;d think you would at least want them to be clean. Try being open minded and maybe he&#039;ll let you so that you get just a little less doggy doo in your eye. 

The best way to cure someone of wanting to be a marxist is to let them hang out in the places like cuba, north korea or china. It&#039;s also a promised cure for liberalism and political correctness.  Then take a tour of izslime. Very very tolerant group of people who really encourage free thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone 75 You are not worthy to polish Chucks boots. As many time as he&#8217;s put you under the heal of them, you&#8217;d think you would at least want them to be clean. Try being open minded and maybe he&#8217;ll let you so that you get just a little less doggy doo in your eye. </p>
<p>The best way to cure someone of wanting to be a marxist is to let them hang out in the places like cuba, north korea or china. It&#8217;s also a promised cure for liberalism and political correctness.  Then take a tour of izslime. Very very tolerant group of people who really encourage free thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone75</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David S:

Just forget about Chuck Pelto. He doesn&#039;t listen to reason. He&#039;ll just play infantile semantics games all day long, continually changing what the discussion is about. In the course of what started out as a regular discussion, he ended up accusing me of supporting child abuse and murder. Sound rational?

He&#039;s a sorry old man. Best just to leave him alone. I applaud you for having the patience to pretend like he&#039;s not a moron, but he WILL continue to waste your time until you just end it. That&#039;s basically his thing: he goes on all sorts of forums and argues with anyone about anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David S:</p>
<p>Just forget about Chuck Pelto. He doesn&#8217;t listen to reason. He&#8217;ll just play infantile semantics games all day long, continually changing what the discussion is about. In the course of what started out as a regular discussion, he ended up accusing me of supporting child abuse and murder. Sound rational?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a sorry old man. Best just to leave him alone. I applaud you for having the patience to pretend like he&#8217;s not a moron, but he WILL continue to waste your time until you just end it. That&#8217;s basically his thing: he goes on all sorts of forums and argues with anyone about anything.</p>
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