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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to get to deep thinking... but there is a thing in modern thinking called the signifier and the signified.  Sometimes a symbol or a name stays the same,but means a different thing as times change.  

Public Conservatives used to be deep thinkers who could see all sides of a subject and with rationality and intelligence, present an argument or counterpoint to show their view against another.  I think of WIlliam F. Buckley and George Will. Both were eloquent, both present their ideas in clear concise ways without fear mongering.  And their definition of conservative was much different than what passes for conservatism today.
You can start there for great conservative creativity and therefore culture.

If you want to find great Conservative culture, look to the results of conservative legislation for it&#039;s effect on the culture...

How did government deregulation work in different industries?  How did that affect the culture and quality of life for the average American? ( Air quality,  stock market, the shrinking middle class and growing poor)

How about conservative populist movements ?  ( Book banning, censorship, the attempt to counter what is seen as liberal indoctrination).  What culture or subculture did that produce?  How are a generation of home-schooled children any different than their parents?

Look to quality of life issues!  What effect will todays Conservative ideas have on :

the environmental and economic impact of unchecked population growth? 

the dwindling and degredation of the American water supply?  

How has conservative foreign policy affected the immigration issues?

We have fiscal conservative movements.
We have educational conservative movements.
We have Christian conservative movements.

All of these have been affecting culture for a long time.  Look to the results of legislation and lobbying to see what conservative culture is today.  Has it improved the quality of life and opportunity for all Americans? And if not for all, then what has it done for the people who have been affected by it.  That&#039;s a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to get to deep thinking&#8230; but there is a thing in modern thinking called the signifier and the signified.  Sometimes a symbol or a name stays the same,but means a different thing as times change.  </p>
<p>Public Conservatives used to be deep thinkers who could see all sides of a subject and with rationality and intelligence, present an argument or counterpoint to show their view against another.  I think of WIlliam F. Buckley and George Will. Both were eloquent, both present their ideas in clear concise ways without fear mongering.  And their definition of conservative was much different than what passes for conservatism today.<br />
You can start there for great conservative creativity and therefore culture.</p>
<p>If you want to find great Conservative culture, look to the results of conservative legislation for it&#8217;s effect on the culture&#8230;</p>
<p>How did government deregulation work in different industries?  How did that affect the culture and quality of life for the average American? ( Air quality,  stock market, the shrinking middle class and growing poor)</p>
<p>How about conservative populist movements ?  ( Book banning, censorship, the attempt to counter what is seen as liberal indoctrination).  What culture or subculture did that produce?  How are a generation of home-schooled children any different than their parents?</p>
<p>Look to quality of life issues!  What effect will todays Conservative ideas have on :</p>
<p>the environmental and economic impact of unchecked population growth? </p>
<p>the dwindling and degredation of the American water supply?  </p>
<p>How has conservative foreign policy affected the immigration issues?</p>
<p>We have fiscal conservative movements.<br />
We have educational conservative movements.<br />
We have Christian conservative movements.</p>
<p>All of these have been affecting culture for a long time.  Look to the results of legislation and lobbying to see what conservative culture is today.  Has it improved the quality of life and opportunity for all Americans? And if not for all, then what has it done for the people who have been affected by it.  That&#8217;s a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Jettboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jettboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think the Conservative factions should get a grip. I have problems with both sides. 

The Libertarians say they are for personal freedoms, but they don&#039;t seem to recognize their rhetoric is the SAME as the Leftist atheist culture who ALSO prize individualism. The attack on the Religious infuriates those who would be your allies. To become a force, the Libertarians better stop talking like the Left if they want to help grow the Conservative garden. The talk of &quot;selfishness is good&quot; is what got us in the mess we are. It is what created the &quot;what can the government do for ME&quot; mentality that Obamamaniacs personify. Libertarians would have a stronger argument if they would include responsibility with the talk of self-reliance.

On the other hand, the Christian conservatives snub their noses at anyone who isn&#039;t JUST LIKE THEM, even when they hold the same political beliefs. Case in point is the Mormons, and Catholics before that. This isn&#039;t to mention the Jews and the Muslims who should be Republican considering what the liberal Democrats have done. Conservative religions of any kind is more about division than actual conservative politics. Fractionalism can only lead to failure.

Until these two groups can somehow come together, there is no hope for the future of American conservatism. I don&#039;t know what the answer is at this time. However, both sides recognizing and dealing with the weakness of themselves is a start. It would also be nice if there was a show of Respect and Listening to the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think the Conservative factions should get a grip. I have problems with both sides. </p>
<p>The Libertarians say they are for personal freedoms, but they don&#8217;t seem to recognize their rhetoric is the SAME as the Leftist atheist culture who ALSO prize individualism. The attack on the Religious infuriates those who would be your allies. To become a force, the Libertarians better stop talking like the Left if they want to help grow the Conservative garden. The talk of &#8220;selfishness is good&#8221; is what got us in the mess we are. It is what created the &#8220;what can the government do for ME&#8221; mentality that Obamamaniacs personify. Libertarians would have a stronger argument if they would include responsibility with the talk of self-reliance.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the Christian conservatives snub their noses at anyone who isn&#8217;t JUST LIKE THEM, even when they hold the same political beliefs. Case in point is the Mormons, and Catholics before that. This isn&#8217;t to mention the Jews and the Muslims who should be Republican considering what the liberal Democrats have done. Conservative religions of any kind is more about division than actual conservative politics. Fractionalism can only lead to failure.</p>
<p>Until these two groups can somehow come together, there is no hope for the future of American conservatism. I don&#8217;t know what the answer is at this time. However, both sides recognizing and dealing with the weakness of themselves is a start. It would also be nice if there was a show of Respect and Listening to the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ask-dr-helen-where-is-conservative-culture/comment-page-5/#comment-159184</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the Jeep/off-road community to be classically American, focused on teamwork, self-reliance, etc, which by todays standards would be considered &quot;conservative.&quot;  The Harley community as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the Jeep/off-road community to be classically American, focused on teamwork, self-reliance, etc, which by todays standards would be considered &#8220;conservative.&#8221;  The Harley community as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Milgaten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Milgaten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please listen to my song &quot;American Prayer&quot; at http://www.myspace.com/donnamilgatenmusic . This is a song I wrote in 1992, after a year-long study on the minor prophets (in Bible Study Fellowship), but only just recently finished recording. All I can say is that God&#039;s timing is always perfect, because it really seems that it was meant for these times we are living in now. It struck me back then that, even though America is not God&#039;s chosen nation in the way that Israel is, we are a nation that was founded upon Scriptural principles, and I saw a lot of similarities in the struggles Israel had with worshiping foreign gods, etc., and the way we have fallen away from our foundation. This song is a call for people to pray for the spiritual condition of our country, and for God&#039;s mercy and grace to pour down, softening hearts to turn back to Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please listen to my song &#8220;American Prayer&#8221; at <a href="http://www.myspace.com/donnamilgatenmusic" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/donnamilgatenmusic</a> . This is a song I wrote in 1992, after a year-long study on the minor prophets (in Bible Study Fellowship), but only just recently finished recording. All I can say is that God&#8217;s timing is always perfect, because it really seems that it was meant for these times we are living in now. It struck me back then that, even though America is not God&#8217;s chosen nation in the way that Israel is, we are a nation that was founded upon Scriptural principles, and I saw a lot of similarities in the struggles Israel had with worshiping foreign gods, etc., and the way we have fallen away from our foundation. This song is a call for people to pray for the spiritual condition of our country, and for God&#8217;s mercy and grace to pour down, softening hearts to turn back to Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newton--
 But when we learn that the Spartans examined newborns to weed out any “defectives” from their warrior population, and threw them into a cliff to be left to die and be eaten by vultures…

Oh no! Not when Little Trig Palin is the new symbol of the pro-life cause.&quot;

See what I mean about not passing every litmus test? I don&#039;t think conservatives need to embrace Spartan child-rearing practices, but does that mean that the rest of the movie is worthless? Can&#039;t win for losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newton&#8211;<br />
 But when we learn that the Spartans examined newborns to weed out any “defectives” from their warrior population, and threw them into a cliff to be left to die and be eaten by vultures…</p>
<p>Oh no! Not when Little Trig Palin is the new symbol of the pro-life cause.&#8221;</p>
<p>See what I mean about not passing every litmus test? I don&#8217;t think conservatives need to embrace Spartan child-rearing practices, but does that mean that the rest of the movie is worthless? Can&#8217;t win for losing.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I didn&#039;t have time to wade through all the 228 comments above to see if someone else mentioned it.  Touchstone magazine http://www.touchstonemag.com/index.html is an excellent source of reading for conservative Christian thought.  Billed as the &quot;Journal of Mere Christianity&quot; it is well written, and well worth the time for any followers of traditional, orthodox Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t have time to wade through all the 228 comments above to see if someone else mentioned it.  Touchstone magazine <a href="http://www.touchstonemag.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.touchstonemag.com/index.html</a> is an excellent source of reading for conservative Christian thought.  Billed as the &#8220;Journal of Mere Christianity&#8221; it is well written, and well worth the time for any followers of traditional, orthodox Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: kochevnik
RE: Authority Worship

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;In reality, most repubs are authority worshipers or closet fascists &lt;/i&gt; -- kochevnik&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are a LOT of people who think like that, regardless of party affiliation. However, I think you&#039;ve got the Repubs mis-identified about their majority.

As Harry S. Truman—the last GOOD Democrat president—put it...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;A leader in the Democratic Party is a boss, in the Republican Party he is a leader.&lt;/b&gt; -- Harry S. Truman&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So. Based on a greater wisdom than your own....politically speaking....I think you&#039;re accusing the wrong group of being &quot;authority worshipers&quot;. As I think a former president of the United States of the Democratic persuasion would be a tad more aware of what he&#039;s talking about than YOU are.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[From the time when the Berserkers ravaged all the coasts of western Europe and lay drunk in every conquered port it has been the same way: everywhere the nations that drink too much are observed to fight they fight rather well and not too righteously. -- Ambrose Bierce]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: kochevnik<br />
RE: Authority Worship</p>
<blockquote><p><i>In reality, most repubs are authority worshipers or closet fascists </i> &#8212; kochevnik</p></blockquote>
<p>There are a LOT of people who think like that, regardless of party affiliation. However, I think you&#8217;ve got the Repubs mis-identified about their majority.</p>
<p>As Harry S. Truman—the last GOOD Democrat president—put it&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><b>A leader in the Democratic Party is a boss, in the Republican Party he is a leader.</b> &#8212; Harry S. Truman</p></blockquote>
<p>So. Based on a greater wisdom than your own&#8230;.politically speaking&#8230;.I think you&#8217;re accusing the wrong group of being &#8220;authority worshipers&#8221;. As I think a former president of the United States of the Democratic persuasion would be a tad more aware of what he&#8217;s talking about than YOU are.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[From the time when the Berserkers ravaged all the coasts of western Europe and lay drunk in every conquered port it has been the same way: everywhere the nations that drink too much are observed to fight they fight rather well and not too righteously. -- Ambrose Bierce]</p>
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		<title>By: Javelin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Con culture is best represented by right wing talk show cretins with their simple minded, anti intellectual rants and cheap insults. Or by the military themed stuff as the first poster mentioned. Either way, it doesn&#039;t seem very promising, not that I am endorsing the alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Con culture is best represented by right wing talk show cretins with their simple minded, anti intellectual rants and cheap insults. Or by the military themed stuff as the first poster mentioned. Either way, it doesn&#8217;t seem very promising, not that I am endorsing the alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: kochevnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>kochevnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who successfully programs computers has a much better grasp of conservatism than most, and certainly most any Republican. 
 
Programming computers or maths requires CONSISTENCY, a concept foreign to most repubs.  Analyze any repub system and there&#039;s always a point of magic, where a miracle happens to make all their inconsistency iron out.  But that doesn&#039;t happen outside of fantasy books, and makes the turmoil of their willful ignorance all the more poignant. 
 
In reality, most repubs are authority worshipers or closet fascists [and closet gays].  No true conservative would identify with such cretins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who successfully programs computers has a much better grasp of conservatism than most, and certainly most any Republican. </p>
<p>Programming computers or maths requires CONSISTENCY, a concept foreign to most repubs.  Analyze any repub system and there&#8217;s always a point of magic, where a miracle happens to make all their inconsistency iron out.  But that doesn&#8217;t happen outside of fantasy books, and makes the turmoil of their willful ignorance all the more poignant. </p>
<p>In reality, most repubs are authority worshipers or closet fascists [and closet gays].  No true conservative would identify with such cretins.</p>
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		<title>By: EdwardM</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdwardM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservative reading - two suggestions:

1. The science fiction of Lois McMaster Bujold, published by Baen Books;

2. Rudyard Kipling, who can sometimes seem downright prophetic (try &#039;The Mother Hive,&#039; for instance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative reading &#8211; two suggestions:</p>
<p>1. The science fiction of Lois McMaster Bujold, published by Baen Books;</p>
<p>2. Rudyard Kipling, who can sometimes seem downright prophetic (try &#8216;The Mother Hive,&#8217; for instance).</p>
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