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		<title>By: i just don't understand</title>
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		<dc:creator>i just don't understand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an example scenario: If a doctor makes $200,000.00 a year and the wife stayed home for the entire marriage, she is then entitled to lifetime alimony to live the way she is accustomed to living, on a doctor&#039;s salary?  Did she receive a medical school education?  Did she stay up all night cramming for exams?  Did she bag groceries to pay for medical school?  Does she save lives everyday?  No, so why should she live on a doctor&#039;s salary?  These days, with modern conveniences, I do not see any of my neighbors out in the yard hand washing clothes; I do not know one person without a dishwasher.  I do not consider putting a Stouffer’s lasagna in the oven making a home cooked meal.  Swiffering the floor is just not that hard.  If the argument is that raising children and keeping a home is a full time job, how did my mother and alot of other wives and mothers manage to work full time and then do this supposedly full time job of keeping a home?  I just don&#039;t understand.   If you want something, why not work for it?  I work hard everyday at a full time job and do not expect someone to pay me because I have a vagina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an example scenario: If a doctor makes $200,000.00 a year and the wife stayed home for the entire marriage, she is then entitled to lifetime alimony to live the way she is accustomed to living, on a doctor&#8217;s salary?  Did she receive a medical school education?  Did she stay up all night cramming for exams?  Did she bag groceries to pay for medical school?  Does she save lives everyday?  No, so why should she live on a doctor&#8217;s salary?  These days, with modern conveniences, I do not see any of my neighbors out in the yard hand washing clothes; I do not know one person without a dishwasher.  I do not consider putting a Stouffer’s lasagna in the oven making a home cooked meal.  Swiffering the floor is just not that hard.  If the argument is that raising children and keeping a home is a full time job, how did my mother and alot of other wives and mothers manage to work full time and then do this supposedly full time job of keeping a home?  I just don&#8217;t understand.   If you want something, why not work for it?  I work hard everyday at a full time job and do not expect someone to pay me because I have a vagina.</p>
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		<title>By: Becca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, this is regard to child support rather than alimony, but if anyone has the answer to this, I would love to hear it.  First of all, a little backgroud information - I left my fiance&#039; after 4 years of horrendous physical, emotional and verbal abuse.  I had a child with another man who was 7 at the time of our moving in together, and low and behold, just as I was getting ready to leave him, I discovered I was pregnant. He wanted me to have an abortion, and FOR ME, I didn&#039;t think it was an option - I so love the child I already had, and despite the failure of the relationship, I felt that since I had been a single mother for 7 years prior to this one without support of any kind (emotional, parental, financial) I knew I could do it with another if I had to.  He decided as my pregnancy progressed that he wanted to be in the child&#039;s life - I had given him the choice to opt out and stay away, and he made the choice to stay, but didn&#039;t participate in the pregnancy except to comment on how huge my belly was (I weighed 102 before pregnancy, gained 28 lbs. by the end, which was fine - my daughter was born healthy and 7 lbs.  Shortly after she was born, he physically abused me again, and this time I had enough - I had him arrested, obtained a restraining order and left him for good.  I didn&#039;t ask for child support, but all of a sudden, after 2 years, his mother bought him a lawyer and he filed a motion for full custody, despite the fact that I allowed him unlimited access to his daughter under safe conditions - no drinking while he visited her, no going out to bars and dropping her off with strange sitters, no violence or verbal abuse in the household for any reason, and had the courts document the conditions, but unfortunately, when I asked for supervision, they chose his mother, despite the fact that he&#039;s abused her physically and emotionally for years and she is not only scared of him, but she has enabled him from day one, all the while acknowledging to me that she knew he was abusive and offering me &quot;tips&quot; on how not to make him angry and how not to &quot;deserve&quot; the abuse.  Talk about placing the lamb in the lion&#039;s den - this is a pride of lions - okay, enough background - we have a motion filed asking for custody which was denied, and at that time, since I had not asked for support, the court also granted me support, but stated that our lawyers would work out the support, he would cover her health insurance and any daycare expenses (I work part-time and have a small home business) which means he pays about $300 per month, with the contingency that our lawyers will draw up a valid child support order to be signed by the judge.  5 months later and no child support order, and his lawyer is generating fees by sending letters offering $200 per month in child support, etc. when this man makes $120,000 per year and I make less than 35k this year, the last few were worse because he forced me to stay home with them - I live in FL, and it&#039;s damn hard to support two kids on 29-32k per year, so I actually do need the support.  The question I have is this - he recently filed another financial affidavit, and stated he made $36,000 last year - I have his bank statements from last year because I was doing accounting work for him while we were amicable, despite the fact that I refused to live with him or be romantic with him.  His average monthly deposit was $15,000 per month.  I was told by a lawyer a few years ago when I left him that it is common for men to reduce their incomes significantly when anticipating having to pay child support and that there has even been a syndrome named for it which is a word that stands for the words included in it, something about reduction of earning potential.  Can anyone tell me what this syndrome is called, first of all, and does anyone have any advice on how to prove to the court that this is a sham - he&#039;s filed a false IRS return, he&#039;s purchasing outrageous &quot;toys&quot; for himself and living in a grand home with all the amenities that I helped him buy - can he at least send what the court determines is fair to help support his daughter?  For so long I didn&#039;t ask for a dime - I not only was scared of him, but I also preferred to do it on my own - I didn&#039;t want anything dangling over my head or used against my by him.  I didn&#039;t want anything from him but to leave me alone unless it pertains to the health and happiness of our daughter, and I wanted him to be a good dad, which is a stretch to say that he is, but at least there is a mild attempt.  His mother is the one who really wants custody, and who will be the primary caregiver if he is awarded joint custody, which I doubt due to his abusive and criminal past, but either way, I want to know the name of the syndrome when a man purposely reduces his income so his child support obligation amount will be reduced - in my case, significantly.  $120,000 reduced to $36,000?  He&#039;ll never get away with it, but I really want to satisfy my curiousity, so if you can help, please do.  God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, this is regard to child support rather than alimony, but if anyone has the answer to this, I would love to hear it.  First of all, a little backgroud information &#8211; I left my fiance&#8217; after 4 years of horrendous physical, emotional and verbal abuse.  I had a child with another man who was 7 at the time of our moving in together, and low and behold, just as I was getting ready to leave him, I discovered I was pregnant. He wanted me to have an abortion, and FOR ME, I didn&#8217;t think it was an option &#8211; I so love the child I already had, and despite the failure of the relationship, I felt that since I had been a single mother for 7 years prior to this one without support of any kind (emotional, parental, financial) I knew I could do it with another if I had to.  He decided as my pregnancy progressed that he wanted to be in the child&#8217;s life &#8211; I had given him the choice to opt out and stay away, and he made the choice to stay, but didn&#8217;t participate in the pregnancy except to comment on how huge my belly was (I weighed 102 before pregnancy, gained 28 lbs. by the end, which was fine &#8211; my daughter was born healthy and 7 lbs.  Shortly after she was born, he physically abused me again, and this time I had enough &#8211; I had him arrested, obtained a restraining order and left him for good.  I didn&#8217;t ask for child support, but all of a sudden, after 2 years, his mother bought him a lawyer and he filed a motion for full custody, despite the fact that I allowed him unlimited access to his daughter under safe conditions &#8211; no drinking while he visited her, no going out to bars and dropping her off with strange sitters, no violence or verbal abuse in the household for any reason, and had the courts document the conditions, but unfortunately, when I asked for supervision, they chose his mother, despite the fact that he&#8217;s abused her physically and emotionally for years and she is not only scared of him, but she has enabled him from day one, all the while acknowledging to me that she knew he was abusive and offering me &#8220;tips&#8221; on how not to make him angry and how not to &#8220;deserve&#8221; the abuse.  Talk about placing the lamb in the lion&#8217;s den &#8211; this is a pride of lions &#8211; okay, enough background &#8211; we have a motion filed asking for custody which was denied, and at that time, since I had not asked for support, the court also granted me support, but stated that our lawyers would work out the support, he would cover her health insurance and any daycare expenses (I work part-time and have a small home business) which means he pays about $300 per month, with the contingency that our lawyers will draw up a valid child support order to be signed by the judge.  5 months later and no child support order, and his lawyer is generating fees by sending letters offering $200 per month in child support, etc. when this man makes $120,000 per year and I make less than 35k this year, the last few were worse because he forced me to stay home with them &#8211; I live in FL, and it&#8217;s damn hard to support two kids on 29-32k per year, so I actually do need the support.  The question I have is this &#8211; he recently filed another financial affidavit, and stated he made $36,000 last year &#8211; I have his bank statements from last year because I was doing accounting work for him while we were amicable, despite the fact that I refused to live with him or be romantic with him.  His average monthly deposit was $15,000 per month.  I was told by a lawyer a few years ago when I left him that it is common for men to reduce their incomes significantly when anticipating having to pay child support and that there has even been a syndrome named for it which is a word that stands for the words included in it, something about reduction of earning potential.  Can anyone tell me what this syndrome is called, first of all, and does anyone have any advice on how to prove to the court that this is a sham &#8211; he&#8217;s filed a false IRS return, he&#8217;s purchasing outrageous &#8220;toys&#8221; for himself and living in a grand home with all the amenities that I helped him buy &#8211; can he at least send what the court determines is fair to help support his daughter?  For so long I didn&#8217;t ask for a dime &#8211; I not only was scared of him, but I also preferred to do it on my own &#8211; I didn&#8217;t want anything dangling over my head or used against my by him.  I didn&#8217;t want anything from him but to leave me alone unless it pertains to the health and happiness of our daughter, and I wanted him to be a good dad, which is a stretch to say that he is, but at least there is a mild attempt.  His mother is the one who really wants custody, and who will be the primary caregiver if he is awarded joint custody, which I doubt due to his abusive and criminal past, but either way, I want to know the name of the syndrome when a man purposely reduces his income so his child support obligation amount will be reduced &#8211; in my case, significantly.  $120,000 reduced to $36,000?  He&#8217;ll never get away with it, but I really want to satisfy my curiousity, so if you can help, please do.  God bless!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woman from the East: Outdated divorce laws are the reason that marriage is dying a slow death in the West. For better of for worse - time will tell. The UK recorded its lowest marriage-rate last year ever since records started being kept in 1835. The lowest rate ever! Even a lower annual-rate than the darkest days of WW1 and WW2 when most of the male population was conscripted or killed.

This is now being followed by the plunge in US rates. For the record, the no-fault divorce reforms in many of the US states lagged those of the UK by about a decade or so. So our demographic plunge is also lagging by a few years, but it&#039;s definitely happening. Check out state-by-state marriage-rate statistics at:
http://www.divorcereform.org/stats.html

You will see that there was a 20-30% drop in weddings-per-capita in most states between 1990-2002. The institution is dying as fair-minded individuals are saying thanks-but-no-thanks. Any smart man or woman who has something to lose, in terms of current assets or future career potential, would be wise to steer clear of divorce laws in place today. This usually means not getting married, even if they have found the partner of their dreams. Of course they can play the Pre-Nup Lottery; but that too is a gamble as there are many states where the Family Courts routinely throw them out of the window.

So there you go. It&#039;s amazing seeing a 4,500 year old institution go down the toilet in as little as 2 generations. This is not happening because people have become more sinful, or more evil. It&#039;s just that the laws have been changed and tampered with. You change the law, and people will start acting accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woman from the East: Outdated divorce laws are the reason that marriage is dying a slow death in the West. For better of for worse &#8211; time will tell. The UK recorded its lowest marriage-rate last year ever since records started being kept in 1835. The lowest rate ever! Even a lower annual-rate than the darkest days of WW1 and WW2 when most of the male population was conscripted or killed.</p>
<p>This is now being followed by the plunge in US rates. For the record, the no-fault divorce reforms in many of the US states lagged those of the UK by about a decade or so. So our demographic plunge is also lagging by a few years, but it&#8217;s definitely happening. Check out state-by-state marriage-rate statistics at:<br />
<a href="http://www.divorcereform.org/stats.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.divorcereform.org/stats.html</a></p>
<p>You will see that there was a 20-30% drop in weddings-per-capita in most states between 1990-2002. The institution is dying as fair-minded individuals are saying thanks-but-no-thanks. Any smart man or woman who has something to lose, in terms of current assets or future career potential, would be wise to steer clear of divorce laws in place today. This usually means not getting married, even if they have found the partner of their dreams. Of course they can play the Pre-Nup Lottery; but that too is a gamble as there are many states where the Family Courts routinely throw them out of the window.</p>
<p>So there you go. It&#8217;s amazing seeing a 4,500 year old institution go down the toilet in as little as 2 generations. This is not happening because people have become more sinful, or more evil. It&#8217;s just that the laws have been changed and tampered with. You change the law, and people will start acting accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Woman from the East</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woman from the East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminism in Western World ruin real female that should be. It is a shame. I am a woman from overseas (East) it is so sad to see what happen in Western World. I was shock when I heard about alimony in USA, until I experience to myself that I realized that no equality and fairness for men and women in US. Here is my story :

My husband&#039;s Ex award alimony with child support for 2 boys (16, 12) for 55000 /year. She get half of his retirement.  She works as a school consultant with Master Degree earn decent income.  My husband pay for children’ insurance, medical bill, and collage fund. She is still telling my stepsons that she doesn’t  have money. I though she was a decent lady because she works as School consultant for kids, but I was wrong. She is getting bitter and more greedy. She has a boyfriend who they spend time together (but they don’t live together ) for 4 years because she doesn’t want to lose her alimony. She always take nice trips, eat out in the nice restaurant with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend earn even less what my husband pay her alimony. When the boys want to go somewhere else for school break,  or eat out she always say she can’t afford it. We are so mad what she did to the boys. 

My husband works hard to pay all this shit to this bitch. I don’t think it is fair and US must change. My husband has to pay alimony 15 years more. We would like to retire and move out from US, but we stuck here because of alimony (not child support). He married her for 13 years and he has to pay here more than  20 years (in total).  Is it fair? He doesn’t want to see his 2 sons will go thru what he suffers from divorce and alimony system. 

I beg to everyone who involve law &amp; order in US, please consider about fairness of divorce. It must change for the new generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminism in Western World ruin real female that should be. It is a shame. I am a woman from overseas (East) it is so sad to see what happen in Western World. I was shock when I heard about alimony in USA, until I experience to myself that I realized that no equality and fairness for men and women in US. Here is my story :</p>
<p>My husband&#8217;s Ex award alimony with child support for 2 boys (16, 12) for 55000 /year. She get half of his retirement.  She works as a school consultant with Master Degree earn decent income.  My husband pay for children’ insurance, medical bill, and collage fund. She is still telling my stepsons that she doesn’t  have money. I though she was a decent lady because she works as School consultant for kids, but I was wrong. She is getting bitter and more greedy. She has a boyfriend who they spend time together (but they don’t live together ) for 4 years because she doesn’t want to lose her alimony. She always take nice trips, eat out in the nice restaurant with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend earn even less what my husband pay her alimony. When the boys want to go somewhere else for school break,  or eat out she always say she can’t afford it. We are so mad what she did to the boys. </p>
<p>My husband works hard to pay all this shit to this bitch. I don’t think it is fair and US must change. My husband has to pay alimony 15 years more. We would like to retire and move out from US, but we stuck here because of alimony (not child support). He married her for 13 years and he has to pay here more than  20 years (in total).  Is it fair? He doesn’t want to see his 2 sons will go thru what he suffers from divorce and alimony system. </p>
<p>I beg to everyone who involve law &amp; order in US, please consider about fairness of divorce. It must change for the new generation.</p>
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		<title>By: UpstateNYgal</title>
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		<dc:creator>UpstateNYgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike S.,

    I don&#039;t know if anybody told you, but military retirement can be awarded to a spouse if that spouse has been married to the servicemember for less than 10 years- case in point:

    My husband and his ex-wife were married for less than 4 years. When they got married, she was going to a community college to get an associate&#039;s degree in general studies (which she finished after they divorced). He told her specifically to NOT DROP OUT OF SCHOOL JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT MARRIED. She did it anyway, telling him that she really didn&#039;t want to go to college, and that she was doing it because her family wanted her to. So, soon after they got married, she stopped going to school, and spent her days eating everything in the house and sleeping until noon everyday. 

    When they got divorced, she told him that she was going to get at least 10% of his retirement pay, because she &quot;gave up her career to support his&quot;. Please keep in mind that she dropped out of college of her own accord, and that when he had to work late, she bitched. When he was transferred to Fort Bragg, she bitched and refused to move with him, because she didn&#039;t want to leave Kansas. (Note to the general population: if you don&#039;t want to move away from mommy and daddy- DON&#039;T MARRY A SERVICEMEMBER!!!) This is also the same woman, who, while he was in Iraq drawing non-taxable combat pay and the like, did not pay off one credit card (of which she had- count &#039;em- 5), and ate, I am not making this up, ATE her way through $15,000 (which she did by eating at McDonald&#039;s breakfast, lunch, and dinner). ON TOP OF THIS, she opened a bank account and started putting the money he earned into it without him knowing.

    And 10% of his retirement pay is EXACTLY what the judge awarded to her.

    And as soon as we are done paying this lazy-good-for-nothing-ladydude&#039;s bills off, my husband is going to fight to get his 10% back. He also had to pay $200 a month in alimony, which ends in Sept. I don&#039;t know what she will do then, because she is HORRIBLE with money.

    As for the whole alimony thing: it&#039;s a bad idea. If a woman wants to leave the marriage, she shouldn&#039;t get paid for it unless the couple has been married for 30 years or something, and even then, it shouldn&#039;t be forever. And I am all for a woman paying alimony if the husband stayed at home to raise the kids. Fair is fair, no matter what is between their legs!

   Just as a note: I myself had a previous marriage. I was the one who wanted out, and I didn&#039;t ask for anything- not alimony, nothing. I offered to helped my ex-husband pay off our debts, without even getting a lawyer involved. He even told me that if I had not offered to help him he wouldn&#039;t be able to pay it off. 

   Of course, I outranked him at the time ;)

   But I am just saying, A FAIR DIVORCE CAN BE DONE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike S.,</p>
<p>    I don&#8217;t know if anybody told you, but military retirement can be awarded to a spouse if that spouse has been married to the servicemember for less than 10 years- case in point:</p>
<p>    My husband and his ex-wife were married for less than 4 years. When they got married, she was going to a community college to get an associate&#8217;s degree in general studies (which she finished after they divorced). He told her specifically to NOT DROP OUT OF SCHOOL JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT MARRIED. She did it anyway, telling him that she really didn&#8217;t want to go to college, and that she was doing it because her family wanted her to. So, soon after they got married, she stopped going to school, and spent her days eating everything in the house and sleeping until noon everyday. </p>
<p>    When they got divorced, she told him that she was going to get at least 10% of his retirement pay, because she &#8220;gave up her career to support his&#8221;. Please keep in mind that she dropped out of college of her own accord, and that when he had to work late, she bitched. When he was transferred to Fort Bragg, she bitched and refused to move with him, because she didn&#8217;t want to leave Kansas. (Note to the general population: if you don&#8217;t want to move away from mommy and daddy- DON&#8217;T MARRY A SERVICEMEMBER!!!) This is also the same woman, who, while he was in Iraq drawing non-taxable combat pay and the like, did not pay off one credit card (of which she had- count &#8216;em- 5), and ate, I am not making this up, ATE her way through $15,000 (which she did by eating at McDonald&#8217;s breakfast, lunch, and dinner). ON TOP OF THIS, she opened a bank account and started putting the money he earned into it without him knowing.</p>
<p>    And 10% of his retirement pay is EXACTLY what the judge awarded to her.</p>
<p>    And as soon as we are done paying this lazy-good-for-nothing-ladydude&#8217;s bills off, my husband is going to fight to get his 10% back. He also had to pay $200 a month in alimony, which ends in Sept. I don&#8217;t know what she will do then, because she is HORRIBLE with money.</p>
<p>    As for the whole alimony thing: it&#8217;s a bad idea. If a woman wants to leave the marriage, she shouldn&#8217;t get paid for it unless the couple has been married for 30 years or something, and even then, it shouldn&#8217;t be forever. And I am all for a woman paying alimony if the husband stayed at home to raise the kids. Fair is fair, no matter what is between their legs!</p>
<p>   Just as a note: I myself had a previous marriage. I was the one who wanted out, and I didn&#8217;t ask for anything- not alimony, nothing. I offered to helped my ex-husband pay off our debts, without even getting a lawyer involved. He even told me that if I had not offered to help him he wouldn&#8217;t be able to pay it off. </p>
<p>   Of course, I outranked him at the time <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>   But I am just saying, A FAIR DIVORCE CAN BE DONE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brooklyn Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooklyn Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this day and age when women make up more than 50% of senior management in major corporations, like the bank that I work in, alimony has outlived its usefulness.  It is no longer appropriate, the &#039;benefits&#039; that alimony are supposed to provide have already been provided during the marriage -- like roof over the head, clothes on the back and food in the stomach.  How do folks think that non-working spouses got these benefits during the marriage?  Not through welfare or alimony.
The suggestion that it is to keep them off of welfare is non-sense.  Here&#039;s a simple way to keep them off of welfare without forcing the former spouse to pay alimony --- reject the application for welfare!  There that wasn&#039;t hard, was it?
To read more about how unconstitutional alimony is please visit www.alimonyreform.org.  If you are not paying alimony yet, you could be.  You need to fight this form of judicial extortion, before you and your kids end up in poverty, and the courts and lawyers get richer.
Brooklyn Boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this day and age when women make up more than 50% of senior management in major corporations, like the bank that I work in, alimony has outlived its usefulness.  It is no longer appropriate, the &#8216;benefits&#8217; that alimony are supposed to provide have already been provided during the marriage &#8212; like roof over the head, clothes on the back and food in the stomach.  How do folks think that non-working spouses got these benefits during the marriage?  Not through welfare or alimony.<br />
The suggestion that it is to keep them off of welfare is non-sense.  Here&#8217;s a simple way to keep them off of welfare without forcing the former spouse to pay alimony &#8212; reject the application for welfare!  There that wasn&#8217;t hard, was it?<br />
To read more about how unconstitutional alimony is please visit <a href="http://www.alimonyreform.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.alimonyreform.org</a>.  If you are not paying alimony yet, you could be.  You need to fight this form of judicial extortion, before you and your kids end up in poverty, and the courts and lawyers get richer.<br />
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		<title>By: Susanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree totally with Dr. Helen... Alimony must be a thing of the past...Alimony was initiated historically when women could not own property , work , vote and in some cases could not secure a divorce.  It is totally outdated...Even in the case of homemakers, our society must promote personal responsibility for all of our choices. whether to work or stay home, there are plenty of us women who have raised children and worked outside of the home; If I ever had the privilege of someone taking care of me, I would not have the audacity to ask for a continued meal ticket as an adult.  Even child support ends when a child is 18 or out of school!!!!! And child support is very different from alimony;  laws are very specific in regards to a formula.  In most states judges have full reign in deciding alimony.... and after by law all assets and retirement are split equally there simply should be no more payments. The recieving spouse has no obligations; so why should the other spouse have monitary obligations.  Let marriages END at the signing of the divorce papers and END alimony.
A truely independent women!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree totally with Dr. Helen&#8230; Alimony must be a thing of the past&#8230;Alimony was initiated historically when women could not own property , work , vote and in some cases could not secure a divorce.  It is totally outdated&#8230;Even in the case of homemakers, our society must promote personal responsibility for all of our choices. whether to work or stay home, there are plenty of us women who have raised children and worked outside of the home; If I ever had the privilege of someone taking care of me, I would not have the audacity to ask for a continued meal ticket as an adult.  Even child support ends when a child is 18 or out of school!!!!! And child support is very different from alimony;  laws are very specific in regards to a formula.  In most states judges have full reign in deciding alimony&#8230;. and after by law all assets and retirement are split equally there simply should be no more payments. The recieving spouse has no obligations; so why should the other spouse have monitary obligations.  Let marriages END at the signing of the divorce papers and END alimony.<br />
A truely independent women!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xanthippe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

No.  The cost of being out of the work force is real, as Julia points out.

The value of the work of a homemaker enables the wage earner to devote more to his or her career, because the wage earner doesn&#039;t have to spend the time doing those tasks or hire someone else to do them, both of which are costly.

Here&#039;s an exercise:  try hiring someone to cook, shop, clean, raise your children, perform whatever other tasks homemakers do, and see how much it would cost.  It would add up to a _great_ deal more than room and board.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>No.  The cost of being out of the work force is real, as Julia points out.</p>
<p>The value of the work of a homemaker enables the wage earner to devote more to his or her career, because the wage earner doesn&#8217;t have to spend the time doing those tasks or hire someone else to do them, both of which are costly.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an exercise:  try hiring someone to cook, shop, clean, raise your children, perform whatever other tasks homemakers do, and see how much it would cost.  It would add up to a _great_ deal more than room and board.</p>
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		<title>By: gordo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eight years ago I got divorced. I hired a &quot;settlement&quot; lawyer thinking I could work out an acceptable solution easily. At the time I had a very successful business though and my wife hired the typical mercenary. I made a mistake, and, even though my offer was generous, I got carpet bombed  for a year.  She also didn&#039;t seem to care about the impact of this bombing on our children. Until the courts become a little more &quot;men&quot; friendly, my advice to men with some net worth is to tighten your chin strap and prepare for war (and hire the nastiest lawyer you can find). Sad, I know, but that&#039;s the way the system works.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eight years ago I got divorced. I hired a &#8220;settlement&#8221; lawyer thinking I could work out an acceptable solution easily. At the time I had a very successful business though and my wife hired the typical mercenary. I made a mistake, and, even though my offer was generous, I got carpet bombed  for a year.  She also didn&#8217;t seem to care about the impact of this bombing on our children. Until the courts become a little more &#8220;men&#8221; friendly, my advice to men with some net worth is to tighten your chin strap and prepare for war (and hire the nastiest lawyer you can find). Sad, I know, but that&#8217;s the way the system works.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The person living at home is living for free...&quot; Really?  When I &quot;lived for free&quot; I raised two birth children alone, in-house father notwithstanding.  I provided a home for my stepchild when her mother couldn&#039;t be bothered. I cooked, cleaned, nursed, organized, accompanied the children to lessons and countless practices and sporting events, etc., and cheered through every one of them.  When my children were hospitalized three times, I lived there. I mowed the lawn, shoveled the snow, raked the leaves, cleaned the rain gutters, plastered, painted and wallpapered, took care of finances, made house and car repairs, worked at our children&#039;s schools (unpaid), supervised class trips, organized and participated in school fund raising, helped my neighbors when they were in need, and entertained the boss and co-workers. Oh, almost forgot.  My husband&#039;s job required transfers, so I did this in three countries over 14 years.  That of course required dealing with real estate agents, finding homes, securing mortgages, choosing schools, finding doctors, Scouts, children&#039;s baseball, basketball, hockey or whatever teams and enrolling the children. When the marriage ended, I was 14 years behind in the &quot;workforce.&quot;  That means experience, seniority, possible promotions, benefits, pension plans, and 728 pay checks.  My spousal support was 200.00/month for two years.  Talk about a free ride.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The person living at home is living for free&#8230;&#8221; Really?  When I &#8220;lived for free&#8221; I raised two birth children alone, in-house father notwithstanding.  I provided a home for my stepchild when her mother couldn&#8217;t be bothered. I cooked, cleaned, nursed, organized, accompanied the children to lessons and countless practices and sporting events, etc., and cheered through every one of them.  When my children were hospitalized three times, I lived there. I mowed the lawn, shoveled the snow, raked the leaves, cleaned the rain gutters, plastered, painted and wallpapered, took care of finances, made house and car repairs, worked at our children&#8217;s schools (unpaid), supervised class trips, organized and participated in school fund raising, helped my neighbors when they were in need, and entertained the boss and co-workers. Oh, almost forgot.  My husband&#8217;s job required transfers, so I did this in three countries over 14 years.  That of course required dealing with real estate agents, finding homes, securing mortgages, choosing schools, finding doctors, Scouts, children&#8217;s baseball, basketball, hockey or whatever teams and enrolling the children. When the marriage ended, I was 14 years behind in the &#8220;workforce.&#8221;  That means experience, seniority, possible promotions, benefits, pension plans, and 728 pay checks.  My spousal support was 200.00/month for two years.  Talk about a free ride.</p>
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