This says all what I was trying to say:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1222017478904

Regards

David

You talk about creating a politial movement, we have lawful protests like 9/11/2007 in Brussells banned, or Cities against Mosques such as in Cologne opposed by the Mayor and he called in the black clad far left storm troopers to make sure of it and German police stood by while people who were attending this were turned away or beaten up, like a French Jew who had his ribs broken.

How on earth do you organise in that, take Geert Wilders, oddly a technical fault cuts off his speach in the Dutch Parliment and then is solved just as he finishes.

I know HarrysPlace, I know that David T has been involved with extreme left anti-Fascist groups, even though at this point he is very focussed on certain Islamic groups in the UK and I respect him for that.

Well…, its one I struggle with myself, I happen to think that Muslims are the biggest victims of Islam, I actually feel sorry for them especially the women, but does the life of my children have to be destroyed because we cannot make tough choices to deal with this extremism called Islam, actually its too late for deportation in my view, but a block on immigration may perhaps give my children an extra 10 years of freedom before the wheels fall off.

David – If I truly believed that America was about to become Islamized, with Shariah criminal laws, burkas, allah akbar and all that, I would have to fight that apartheid/slaveholding system to the death. Based on my opposition to slavery, Islamist fascism and my beliefs about equal rights, I personally could only choose death over state-imposed Islam.

But if people decide to fight, they have to fight the right people! Focus on the people who are in charge of the Sharia brigade, don’t focus on the local greengrocer.

Europe is not at the ‘fighting’ stage right now. Islamisation could be a threat in the future, but it isn’t a threat right now. Gulf state efforts to Islamize Europe are still in the politically manipulative stage. This is currently a war of diplomacy, words. They push, and no one in Europe pushes back. It makes sense to put together a citizens’ effort to push back politically (because the governments probably aren’t going to do anything), but go after the right people. Inciting civil wars and mob riots by kicking business owners, housewives and children out of their homes is strategically and tactically nonsensical. It just doesn’t make sense to deport people because they’re Muslim. This will make the situation worse, not better. It will empower the fascist Saudis, Iranians, and Emirates princes who are leading the charge for Islamization, and it will empower your local fascist demagogue. (a fact that they are well aware of). When the civil wars are over and your cities are destroyed, you’ll still have some form of fascist around, and they’re not so easy to get rid of.

Authoritarian Islam and National Socialism are natural allies. Our local KKK fascists, led by David Duke, oppose immigration, but they, like Strache, support Iran and the Palestinians, because they all hate the Jews. Our local Stormfront members are a little more open about their anti-Semitism than European groups, but they don’t share Europe’s history or hate speech laws. Also, we’re more aware of it because they write in English.

According to this report, the FPO’s front organisation “Aula” contains antisemitic propaganda. It doesn’t make sense to use European fascists to fight Islamofascism when they’re both on the same side.

The choice is now between Islaminisation or try to find someone who will stand up against it no matter who that is, so on your ideals if I decide to stay in France I guess I better convert, Allah Akbar and all that… So your choice is that fighting is bad and that I might as well surrender which is what so many Americans accuse us of with dare I say it correct distaste for us wimpy Europeans.

No I hate National Socialists, but while I think there is a way back from Fascism, there is no way back from ISLAM!

Its not the UK or France Government that matters so much (except for France’s policy on developing a the Med), its the International Socialism at the core of the EU.

Which of the mainstream parties is doing anything to deal with the Islamisation of Europe, none of them…

You sidestepped Mr.Krog’s statement with a partial truth. That is still a lie.

“The Times article you link says no such thing as that the FPÖ “seeks to bring back Nazi symbols and salutes”

Henrik – are you talking about the article titled “Austrian voters support party that wants to bring back Nazi symbols”?”

The title and the substance of the article are not coherent. The article is just as Mr.Krog suggests. And there should be freedom of expression for all people of this planet.

Jim

Forced deportation of people based on their religious or ethnic heritage will bring civil war sooner than later. So, if those are the only two choices, there is no choice at all.

But there are always alternatives. As you said, a lot of the problems are caused by European government policies. Your governments are not paying attention to the rights of all citizens. For whatever reason (probably the lure of petrodollars) they’re allowing Muslims to be more equal than all others, and that’s what needs to change. The Guardian Angels shamed the NYC government into doing something about crime. I don’t know enough about the UK or the French government to know how to get their attention, to let them know that their power is being threatened by their policies.

The FPO’s ‘Ausländer Raus!’ solution is not a solution. If voters think that their only choice is between parties that are multi-culti-pacifist or kind-of-fascist, most people will probably vote for the pacifists. At least the weak pacifists are not promising immediate unrest and destruction.

People need other, more pragmatic alternatives.

All of this parties positions and its leadership are consistent with the nazis – from the nazi symbols to the jewish conspiracy theories and bigoted remarks the “Freedom Party” has promulgated. There are no excuses. It’s the “Pure Arian” policy as usual in Europe. The islamists and these neo-nazis deserve one another.

http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/ Its in English.

And for a Allah Akbar moment go to Burn, Baby, Burn:

Here is the key detail:

A little later, the members of the family (I assume it’s the family of the kid killed) emerged furious from their closed meeting with city officials. In tears, a young woman addressed the young persons: “They wanted to calm you down. But I say: Burn everything.” Acclamations greeted her words and the crowd dispersed, in small groups, promising the police a night of fire, and crying out: “Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar!” “Things will burn. We’ve had enough of seeing our little brothers die in our neighborhoods. You dominated our parents. But we are of the third generation and we are going to open our mouth,” declared one of the gang leaders to a group of teens listening with respect.

Visibly upset, an official tried to speak to the crowd, In vain. “The only support we might have is the mothers. But even among them there are some who are too angry,” lamented Maurice Crouzet, assistant on social issues. In his office, one hour later, the mayor struggled to recover from his aborted dialoge. “Dialogue is very complicated. Why has it resulted in this rupture? Why is every authority suspect?

Note: The answer lies in the words “Allah Akbar”. Crouzet, like everybody else pretends to be surprised

You need to draw conclusions from that exchange, its most enlightening, in that the police should not be chasing a Muslim theif, they blame the police for his death, but the blame rests solely with the thief, accidents do happen. And then the God is Great chants which is a war cry. The dhimmis tried to reason with them, but nothing is accepted, their religion tells them what they want to hear, its time for war…

You keep going back to deportation, I do not like it either, but the choice is really between allowing continued immigration, allowing demographics to create a Muslim majority in 30 years and then the death and destruction of a continent wide civil war similar to the Balkans or deport those that do not want to be part of European culture and are ramming Islam down our throats.

As you keep raising Black and Hispanic people as a comparison, I think I better point out that Blacks are a race, as are Hispanics, I note that both are culturally Americans within a generation, though gang cuture is an issue. Even if the Blacks have a hang up over Slavery and the Hispanics are always upset over the seizure of Texas and California.

I feel that laws need to be upheld if not then we go into anarchy, so illegal immigrants should be deported, however it must be done in a way that uses common sense.

Neither the Black population nor the Hispanics in the main follow an ideology that is against the principals of the USA, so drawing a comparison between them and Muslims is false in my opinion as a European.

And finally about Nazi’s symbols, this has been talked about for a long time, the Nazi symbols were banned at the end of the second world war in Germany and Austria, because there was still Nazis carrying out attacks against the allied powers. After that ended ther was no need to keep such a ban in what is supposed to be a free society, where walking around in Nazi uniform should only produce laughter and contempt, to me that is a mature society.

The Guardian Angels concept would not work with Islamics.