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1. Anonymous:

“Why don’t you grab a mop, why don’t you help clean up?

Grab a mop — let’s get to work.”

A simple, accurate reflection of the whiners attitude.

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:40 am 2. Francis W. Porretto:

As much as I love a good, badly overwrought metaphor, I think it’s a mistake, both strategically and tactically, to join Barack Hussein Obama in this particular verbal stew pot. We’d be wishing into a dry well, hoping for a genie to emerge and free us from the social fascist octopus could get its fangs into our throats.

(How d’ya like that for a mixed figure of speech? George Orwell, call your office!)

This “mop” business has more assumptions built into it than it’s wise to tackle at one time:
– That there’s a “mess” — a state of undesirable and roughly delimitable disorder that could, in theory, be put right by planned, purposive action;
– That it was brought about by the actions of “others” who deserve to be blamed for it as if it were purposefully done;
– That there’s an approach to righting the “mess” that can be imposed on us all through a command-and-control technique;
– That that approach would have no undesirable side effects of great enough magnitude to make us wish we hadn’t consented to it;
– That “picking up a mop and helping” has any semantically defensible relation to what Obama really wants — the cessation of criticism and resistance to his agenda;

…and no doubt I could find others, if it weren’t so early in the morning and I’d had more coffee.

Every one of those assumptions is false, but challenging all of them simultaneously through the agency of our adversary’s preferred metaphor is next to impossible. A more productive approach is to deny the applicability of the metaphor — to point out that it’s not a proper analogy to what’s an entirely government-caused phenomenon — and insist on dealing with factual descriptions of the state of affairs, the perverse incentives that brought it about, the lunacy of thinking command-and-control would have no undesirable side effects, the success of unfettered markets at correcting such spikes in the past, and so forth.

It’s not “clever.” It won’t win us any plaudits from the Main Stream Media. But if we’re direct and sober, other direct, sober persons will grasp our point, whereas the use of our adversary’s terms will almost certainly muddy the waters further, until there’s no seeing through the accumulated silt to the prize at the bottom of the box, which would only give our adversaries a better shot at the brass ring.

(Forgive me, I had to throw that last one in, or I would have died of mock-literary frustration.)

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:23 am 3. Rob:

That speech makes me think of Sinclair Lewis’s Berzelius “Buzz” Windrip more thatn Roosevelt’s “Man in the Arena”.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:33 am 4. Pedrosito:

Let’s grab a broom instead and sweep them out in 2010.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:36 am 5. firefirefire:

A Mop for the GOP 2010.

Oct 23, 2009 - 4:00 am 6. Mike Murray:

Bravo. Obama, as you suggest, barely knows which end of a hop to hold — much less how to use one.

I grow weary of elites, people who’ve never done a lick of menial work, pretending to be champions of the “little people.” John Kerry (with his $8,000 bicycle) and John Edwards (with his huge mansion), come to mind.

But politicians — most especially liberal ones — like to present themselves as having “overcome” in some way. Gives them street cred, they imagine. But it’s usually just a load of bull.

See: Up from What? http://emmeffemm.com/id65.html

Oct 23, 2009 - 4:31 am 7. T.W. Elliott:

After “Cap-and-Tax,” “Obama-care,” and the Copenhagen Treaty, though there is a reckoning on the electoral horizon, by next November I’m afraid it will be too late.

God help us.

T.W. Elliott

“The Price of Liberty – A Novel”

http://www.amazon.com

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:04 am 8. steve:

This whole mop metaphor thing is a blatant ripoff of a Sponge Bob Squarepants episode I saw a couple of years ago.

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:19 am 9. HatlessHessian:

This “grab a mop” goes over real well with those of us who have been mopping our rear-ends off trying to clean up the flooded house Obama’s created from the leaking faucet (and to be fair, a faucet in a house filled with rusty pipes from decades of progressive programs initiated by both Democrats and Republicans).

Consider all the small businesses struggling to survive. Hey Barry, while they’re mopping in water up to their necks from your party’s minimum wage increases, your massive economic screwup (stimulus unemployment and economic malaise over double what was forecasted without the government spending stimulus) and the sword of cap & tax and government health care hoovering over their heads. I know dozens first hand that lost jobs well into your term because of your eradicating the hope of any recovery. Jobs saved or gained? Them’s fighting words to many unemployed now. As them to get off their butt and mop and see how popular you are now.

And what about those in large businesses who are seeing your play date companions Emmanual and Axelrod sloshing around in the government control bathtub, spilling all sorts of messes over the tub walls? Each major change to the economic system — like net neutrality — shocks it, disrupts its self-found equilibrium and forces entire industries to wander about in hope of finding a new one which permits its continued existence. All of this Marxist change is akin to Dr. Mengele’s practicing radical experiments on an already sick patient.

So do talk about mops and we’ll remind you that you’ve never seen one. We don’t destroy with mops, Barry. Chainsaw, on the other hand…

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:28 am 10. Paul -Indiana:

He’s not even holding the mop by the right end. LOL

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:33 am 11. Dave K.:

“He seems to have been pretty much coddled from childhood; he wouldn’t necessarily know which end of a mop to hold.”

Really? Unlike George W. Bush a.k.a Mr. Bootstraps himself?

Unlike the Bushes and the Kennedys where blood matters more than merits, Obama is actually a real American success story.

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:41 am 12. RE:

The irony is tha all the obamaphiles that think his line oh so clever have no idea of what a real mess really is.

But these privileged, spoiled, raised on Sesame Street utopianism little snots are doing their best to make sure they find out. Yep, all that wealth, bounty, luxury, freedom, and optimism… squandered away.

What’s that line again – ‘You don’t know what you’ve got – until you lose it.’ But not to worry. That’s ‘old’ thinking. This progressive crowd knows better. They say they are enlightened. They know everything! Can’t you see how much better things have gotten already?

Well there’s one helluva comeuppance barreling down the road at them.

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:44 am 13. Thomas_L.....:

“might indicate that it’s harder to keep people uninformed than it used to be.”

The best line of the article. Except for the “beans in the ears” trolls here, it is much easier to discover actual information these days. That’s why the trolls come here. They act as noise. They’re hoping that they can dissuade the odd person from reading these articles or convince others to run from all logic, sense or – GASP – opposing views or if nothing else to make it unpleasant to think outside The Hive mentality. I wonder if they are paid by the word by Soros and company or if they are just here out of a desperate sense of man-love for their maoist hero-president.

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:48 am 14. Now and Then:

8. Thomas_L…..:
“convince others to run from all logic, sense or – GASP – opposing views or if nothing else to make it unpleasant to think outside The Hive mentality”

You must be reassured that everyone here agrees with you. Well, not everyone. There are – GASP – opposing views.

Step up to the minimum, Thomas.

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:16 am 15. Class Clown:

And after Obama will come a street-sweeper. Assuming we can still afford one.

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:17 am 16. Dave K.:

5. Mike Murray:
“I grow weary of elites, people who’ve never done a lick of menial work, pretending to be champions of the “little people.””

You mean like pretending to clear brush while pretending to be a cowboy?

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:20 am 17. biblio44:

“I’m guessing, based on his biography, that the president doesn’t actually have any real-world experience with janitorial services …”

… while his predecessor, on the other hand, would have been quite good at such a job; in fact, seems to have missed his true calling by going into politics.

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:21 am 18. Fred Beloit:

This would be the best joke of all time. The proposed mandate by the Congress that everyone must buy insurance might be unconstitutional. This is not a frivolous issue:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55910

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:25 am 19. Booker T. Gain:

These geniuses have extended the clean up in aisle 5, which they inherited, to aisles 1 to 4, which is their mess.

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:26 am 20. Booker T. Gain:

Unlike the Bushes and the Kennedys where blood matters more than merits, Obama is actually a real American success story.

Success story? He’s completely unvetted and unqualified. He’s a junior senator from Illinois with no legislative accomplishments and no business experience. He’s a marxist mirage with a pretty face. This Presidency is an American tragedy. It will take 20 years to undo the damage he will do in his one term presidency.

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:33 am 21. Sebastian Shaw:

President Obama would have someone else clean up his own mess while he played with his Blackberry; I love the elites hypocrisy. Obama creates more messes then when someone else cleans it up he takes all the credit (usually the MSM cleans up the mess by playing defense & gives Obama a chance to restate himself). Blow hard.

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:45 am 22. Peter the Bubblehead:

10. Dave K. wrote:
Unlike the Bushes and the Kennedys where blood matters more than merits, Obama is actually a real American success story.

Peter writes: Would you care to share that story with the rest of us? Because to the majority of the people out there, The Won’s backgraound is a carefully guarded secret that he is spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to keep away from EVERYONE.

What were his grades in school?

What papers did he supposedly publish?

What did he do at the Harvard Law Journal besides sit behind a desk and play solitare on the computer all day?

What is he spending more money than many people will see in their lifetimes hiding what should be a publicly accessable legal document? What does it say that he doesn’t want the world, or perhaps his own leftist party, to know?

Please, Dave K, share with us your vast knowlege of how The Won rose to such heights of success ‘on his own merits.’ (guffaw)

Oct 23, 2009 - 6:50 am 23. George S.:

stealth marxism, it is like a very large portion of the population has been hypnotized/brainwashed.

I think obama is going to mop up all that made the USA great and then flush it down the toilet. he has already made a huge start on it by increasing the debt to the size it cannot be repaided. that basically makes the citizen slaves.

every day he seems more like chavez in actions and retoric..

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:02 am 24. Delia:

When B.H.O. became prezzy he also made sure to ‘mop’ up his paper trail having his records sealed by executive order.

Whatta guy.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:15 am 25. Delia:

“Obama is actually a real American success story”

Yes, his ‘hard work’ and struggles from working class stiff to self-made man is a manifesto for the times.

His thesis is brillz.

You read it too?

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:17 am 26. BC:

At the horrible risk of being libeled a “troll,” the mop analogy is 100% valid. Bush and his people behaved more like vandals trashing a school closed for summer vacation. And even before Obama officially took over, Republicans and conservatives have been “Bitter Sore Losers, Inc.” and have been much more keen on using mops as baseball bats on any bucket they see.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:23 am 27. Exliberal:

Screw the mop, I’m grabbing a broom. Clean Sweep, America! Vote them out! Vote them all out!

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:30 am 28. paul_unalaska:

‘Obama is a success story’.

Yep, look how far you can soar being a mediocre student/ recipient of AA, ghost-like amongst your fellow students, professors.

Whose wife had an office on the same floor as an unrepentant terrorist, ‘coincidentally’ throwing his hat in the political ring in the aforementioned terrorist’s home. Run in the same politico circles, hey this is Cook County.. but yet be mere ‘acquaintances’.

Chummy with Emil Jones, Rod Blagojevich (until he was busted), Alexi Giannoulias, brushing off Mayor Daley in ‘07 but praising him in ‘08.

Providing less medical, educational and other paperwork NECESSARY in the election/ as president than myself having to retain my annual security clearance.

Accepts none of the responsibility nor blame for lack of logistics to the furthering quagmire in Afghanistan, unemployment not shrinking, jobs not being created/ saved (well, other than the federally funded, union-led teaching jobs), businesses, both big and small hiring sparingly, et al.

Lack of credentials, experience, cowardly voting record as Senator. Yes siree, this man ‘earned his success’.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:31 am 29. Jeff Perren:

You don’t mop a horse stall, and it certainly doesn’t help if your idea of mopping is to pour yet another bucket of Federal s**t in front of the entrance to work.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:33 am 30. Abi:

#10
I agree..Obama is a real American success story.
He came out of no where, from no where, with no background, fooled the stupid American’s and is now running their country into oblivion. aahhhhh only in America..

Sponge Bob wants his mop back.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:33 am 31. baal:

10. Dave K.:No, Barry does not speak like a person who has ever done any form of labor which might make him be able to relate in any way to the common man.
And just because GW was a drugstore cowboy doesnt get him off the hook for it. Ditto the kennedys. Moral equivalence arguments wore out about a month ago.
What we are seeing is the collapse of the sales pitch in the face of reality. He has so far proven to be a man who is NOT equal to the office that he has been elected to.
And yes, Bush was a terrible president, but so far Barry has NOT proven in ANY way to be better.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:43 am 32. Delia:

28. paul_unalaska:

“cowardly voting record as Senator”

I must take you to task with that one, Paul. Barry was one of the few brave, benevolent senators who voted against life-saving medical care to a partial birth aborted child who had the foul, selfish audacity to ’survive’ being ripped from the mother’s womb.

Yes, Barry, leave the baby on the cold table to cry in agony, pain and misery, shivering, alone and unloved in his/her death and let the hospital staff ‘mop’ up the mess afterwards.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:52 am 33. Dave K.:

Good, I can feel your anger.
I am defenseless.
Take your weapon.
Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:52 am 34. blotto:

DaveK: “Unlike the Bushes and the Kennedys where blood matters more than merits, Obama is actually a real American success story.”

Sounds more like DS, Peace work to me.

Anyway, please enlighten us neanderthals as to the success of the selected one? What is it he accomplished? You cannot ever verify if he graduated from any of his colleges. You cannot verify that he and only he wrote his BIG best selling books. How did he win his senetorial seat against Ryan, again? Or even his Il senate seat?

I need not defend G.H.W. Bush nor his son. And with the exception of JFK and to some degree RFK, the other Kennedy males are a bunch of criminals.

Nice try dude but as always a tenuous and immature effort.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:56 am 35. Thomas_L.....:

Attention Trolls! Sure I might inadvertently catch a word or two of your nonsense, in passing but addressing me is a complete waste of … wait, what am I thinking? Please continue typing long and loathsome, knowing I’m not reading more than a sentence fragment. Who’s stupid, again?
As for mops? Has anyone seen the Swiffer ads? Baby Don’t You Want Me? A mop out in the cold? Unless he succeeds in his Chavez-like attack at dissent, and wouldn’t the left like that, we’re seeing a picture of a certain ex-president in about 40 months. Count down.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:02 am 36. Delia:

33. Dave K.,

Honey chile, whatever you’re smoking…STOP IT.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:06 am 37. Real Deal:

Obama wouldn’t know what to do with a mop if someone whacked him upside the head with one.

What problems he “inherited” from Bush are like a busted pickle jar on isle 10. What he’s done since he’s been in office has been darn near the equivalent of knocking everything off the shelves and then running it over with a fork lift.

In 2005-2006 Democrats promised to do something about gas prices which were around $2.50 per gallon, they took control of Congress and gas prices rose to over $4.50 per gallon in 2008. Whether people realize it or not was the pebble that started the avalanche.

High fuel costs caused businesses to cut back and start laying people off or to go out of business themselves. Consumers spent less because their energy costs were consuming more of their discretionary income resulting in more layoffs and closures/bankruptcies. Then as the economy worsened and more people couldn’t pay their mortgages, credit cards, and other debts the very weak and unstable “rock” that the housing industry was based upon came crashing down.

Democrats and some liberal Republicans created this mess and Obama has his hands dirty with it too. He owns it just as much as anyone due to his affiliation with ACORN and their practices in blackmailing banks to give loans to people who can’t or won’t pay the loans back.

Also what really bothers me is nobody seems to ask this question: What happened to the PMI money that was supposed to protect lenders against people defaulting on their loans?

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:21 am 38. Dave K.:

A black man is our President, our Commander-in-Chief, and that’s why you hate him so much.

The Southern Strategy that got you Repubs so many victories is no longer valid, since the demographics of the South has changed.

Give up on your racism, since it’s not working anymore.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:22 am 39. steveg:

Where do liberal democrats (Clinton & Obama) vacation? Elitist snob meccas like Marthas Vineyard playing golf and lunching on caviar.

Where do conservative republicans (Reagan & Bush) vacation? Their personal home/ranch chopping wood and clearing brush.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:22 am 40. David S:

That part about the self-cleaning floor is comedy gold.

“Why should we clean up the mess we created? It will take care of itself anyway.”

I’ve mopped my fair share of floors, and I’ve never seen a floor that cleaned itself. If you really want to follow Barack’s metaphor, get out your capitalist mop and show us what you’ve got. Otherwise you are either denying that there is a mess, denying that it can be cleaned up, or denying that any solution is possible.

You are not only complaining about how he holds the mop – you are outright lying about what it takes to clean the floor. If your boss came in to check your work and you told him not to worry about the sludge covering the floor because the floor is “self cleaning” I suspect you wouldn’t need to worry about which end of the mop to hold anymore.

This is exactly why the GOP is going down the tubes. No interest in fixing the problems – just deny they are problems and move on to more profiteering. You can’t clean up a mess when you can’t even see what it is.

There is no self-cleaning floor here – and denying that it will take some work to clean up this mess is just as despicable as making the mess in the first place. Shame on you – as an erstwhile janitor, you should know better.

Peace.

DS

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:26 am 41. Real Deal:

#33 Dave K

http://www.cincinnatiwriters.org/images/nerd2.jpg

I found a pic of Dave K. Man you need to get out more.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:27 am 42. Delia:

38. Dave K.,

Okay, that was just plain pathetic. You actually almost make me feel sorry for Barry when all you leftards have to pull out of your back pocket when bereft of an actual fact or argument to defend your Doofus McGroofus Prezzy is, “RAAAAAAAAAACIST”.

Seriously, dude. Face it. Your prezzy poo is a flop.

Grab a mop.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:33 am 43. Delia:

Dave the Depraved writes:

“There is no self-cleaning floor here ”

No SH*T, Sherlock! So, tell your idiot to stop printing ‘money’ out of thin air and selling our souls to CHINA.

Tell your mental midget messiah to make a decision about Afghanistan or get off the pot.

Tell your commander-in-thief to do something about our unemployment problem other than creating ‘gov jobs’ which don’t create diddly squat except put us further in the red.

I could go on…should I, DTD?

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:38 am 44. Dave K.:

41. Real Deal:

“http://www.cincinnatiwriters.org/images/nerd2.jpg

I found a pic of Dave K. Man you need to get out more.”

Oh, that’s just so delightfully witty.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:51 am 45. Robert G. Oler:

The mess The Republic is in is a result of Republican mismanagement just complete goofery (grin) in how to run the government. OK the Dems had the last two years in Congress, but the mistakes the bad choices were all made under a Right wing Republican President and a right wing Congress.

And now we have the likes of Dick Dead Ender Cheney who got us into the mess in Afland and Iraq arguing about how to fix it. Go sit down Dick…you have had your 8 years

Robert G. Oler

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:52 am 46. Dave K.:

Delia,
I have been nervous about replying to you,
because what I feel like saying is,
‘prove to me that you are not working with our enemies to undermine our elected President.’

I’m not accusing you of being an enemy of the United States, but that’s the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way.

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:57 am 47. jharp:

Obama is exactly right that you had better grab a mop. And keep the teabagging to yourselves. No one is buying your act.

The latest Research 2000 poll.

CONGRESSIONAL GOPS: Favorable rating 15% Unfavorable 70%

15!

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:01 am 48. steveg:

Will a reporter please ask President Acorn why his personal records are under lock and key?

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:03 am 49. Delia:

46. Dave K.,

Seriously, put down the pipe and ‘mop’ that sweat off of your forehead.

Nervous to ‘reply’ to me?

Dude, that’s just pathetic. If you can’t play in the big pool then go back into the kiddie pool [daily kos/huffpo et al].

Seriously, if lil’ blonde haired, blue-eyed, fair Delia intimidates you that much, you must have the attention span of a gnat and the bravery of an amoeba on the tic of a flea.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:07 am 50. David S:

@43. Delia:

Tell your mental midget messiah to make a decision about Afghanistan or get off the pot.

Give me a break. Obama already sent reinforcements in March – reinforcements that Bush delayed for no apparent reason. The Afghans have a run-off election to run next month, and I see no reason why Obama should allow a bunch of hypocritical idiots to sway his decision. Cheney & Co failed to act when they were in power – Obama took action within weeks of taking office, and now is working to assess and evaluate the situation before making a decision.

I guess deliberation and assessment are just outside your range of experience.

Tell your commander-in-thief to do something about our unemployment problem other than creating ‘gov jobs’ which don’t create diddly squat except put us further in the red.

I don’t know how they do things where you live, but where I live stimulus spending is not only saving the jobs of government employees – it is making jobs available for contractors in the private sector as well. Many millions of dollars in money for infrastructure is already in the process of being spent to hire workers in the private sector.

Obama could do something dramatic for unemployment, like restart the CCC, but the outcry from the right would be too much for him to pursue that path now. He’s giving the private sector a chance to pick up the slack first.

I could go on…should I, DTD?

You will whether I approve or not, Delia. You will go on thinking that you’ve scored big points on Obama, when in reality you just keep on pointing out how much work his predecessor left undone. Go on – make a bigger fool of yourself – you know you want to.

Peace.

DS

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:07 am 51. Delia:

P.S. ‘Dave the Depraved’ was not meant for you, Dave K. but for David S. the hot mess, in case you weren’t paying ATTENTION.

Reading is a wonderful tool but does little good without COMPREHENSION.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:09 am 52. Bob Miller:

All this mopping by the Obama contingent has spread the Chicago filth nationwide.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:10 am 53. neverquit:

BOTH PARTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MESS, AND OBAMA’S RHETORIC OF IT WAS ALL REPUBLICANS IS A LIE.

Along with Republicans, I would ask Democrats why they supported and why Clinton signed Gramm/Bliley in 1999? I would ask why a Democratically controlled Congress did nothing for 2 years? I would ask why Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama supported Bush’s Bailout Package, all the while claiming they were going to bring change Washington?

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:13 am 54. Cybergeezer:

This fool only talks mopping up; He’s never had one in his hand and wouldn’t know how to operate it if he did.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:15 am 55. baal:

47. jharp:The only tea bag is the one on your messiah’s chin, the rest of the package can be found attached to his slumlord boss, Tony Rezko.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:16 am 56. Dave K.:

So, Delia, can you prove to me that you’re not working to undermine the United States and its President and Commander-in-Chief?
Your hatred towards our country and its principles are truly scary.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:18 am 57. Cybergeezer:

50. David S:

Conveniently ignorant.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:18 am 58. gracie:

aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh David …the “Philosopher”, PhD, floor cleaner, dear friend of nuclear engineers in mass, philosophers in general…hahahahahaha

Go get ‘em Delia!!!

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:18 am 59. Real Deal:

CONGRESSIONAL GOPS: Favorable rating 15% Unfavorable 70%

When are you going to realize GOP != Conservatives? While I understand it is confusing for you since Socialist/Communist == Democrat, conservatives are fed up with Republicans. They will take the House in 2010 because “at least we’re not as bad as the Dems” will have some pull left after the disaster Obama and Democrat control of Congress has been and is shaping up to be. Beyond that unless the GOP gets its head screwed on straight and starts getting true fiscal conservatives on the ballots its going to die out as more and more people leave the party and/or just stop giving them money.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:20 am 60. Delia:

“Obama took action within weeks of taking office, and now is working to assess and evaluate the situation before making a decision.”

Yes, depraved one, doing the ‘talk show’ circuit and taking on ‘Fox News’ is quite worthy of praise, meanwhile he sits with his peace prize crammed firmly up his golden, skittle rainbow arse and sucking his thumb instead of pulling the plum out of his bum and making a DECISION to either pull out or HELP our men and women who have their necks on the line.

“but where I live stimulus spending is not only saving the jobs of government employees”

The circle jerk continues. How do you ’save’ a ‘government’ job by creating ‘more’ government jobs, DTD?

“He’s giving the private sector a chance to pick up the slack first.”

Huh? WHAT? You’re addled.

The ‘private’ sector is going out of business.

WTF are you on?

Seriously.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:22 am 61. George S.:

stop feeding the trolls.

they are morally bankrupt and dishonest.

they only know the talking points they are spoonfed. They cannot or will not debate. they blame bush or cry racism.

incidently I find the one who cries racist is usually the racist.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:23 am 62. CORA:

Dave K. – “…Obama is actually a real American success story.”

Be careful Dave, you are walking a slippery slope here with the whole American success story thing. Need I remind you that our Black Liberation Theology clearly and consistently denies there is such a thing as an American success story. Slaves built America and it has nothing to do with success! Got it?

Please be more careful in the future. You’re painfully close to being put on “the list” of those that are too polluted by the white man’s mentality to benefit from the upcoming re-education camping trip.

Lastly, Dave K. – Be patient young Skywalker, don’t tip your racial hand too soon. Save it… savor it… roll it around in your front pocket while gleefully waiting to thrust it upon them. If it doesn’t provoke the desired self loathing remember some of them don’t like him because he is black but others don’t like him because he is red. Keep this in mind, be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove young Jedi!

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:23 am 63. jharp:

55. baal:

Good one Mr. 15%er. Keep it up, please.

Homosexuality and scat, the right wingers obsessions.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:24 am 64. Delia:

Economic meltdown didn’t start/stop with ‘Bush’.

Democratic Congress anyone?

Anyone?

When do we get a ‘real’ honest to goodness person in politics?

I’m tired of the “SHAM WOW!”

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:27 am 65. Samson:

it is laughable about the trolls calling conservatives hatefull because there is a black man (well if he is half white why isn’t he a white man, seems like color of convinience/opportunity, but that part of this scumbag is another issue)

what level of hate do they mean??? half as much as they hate bush ? AS IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. If obama is the president why are the trolls so hatefull of bush ?

f’n hypocrites !

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:31 am 66. jb:

Dave K;
Does your mother know you are that dumb?

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:46 am 67. Real Deal:

Bush’s Bailout Package

Actually it was Paulson’s Plan, endorsed by Bush, McCain, and Obama and passed by the Democrat controlled Congress. The Dems could have easily blocked it, and the Republicans should have blocked it.

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:48 am 68. Booker T. Gain:

David S.

Please re-post your brilliant comments in Mandarin. They are gibberish in English.

cc. Delia

And when you finish, David, please quickly depart (with a sexual connotation).

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:03 am 69. Ding:

The further Obama gets sucked into the Washington swamp . . . the more he ridicules the loyal opposition. Ridicule appears to be his favorite rhetorical tool. It’s a good thing to do when you do nothing. Nicely deflects arguments in this Comedy Channel generation. But is it good for the country when the president is so free with the put-down? Or does that just make him a mouth?

It’s pretty obvious that this trash talk is designed to get his dogs barking. The president denigrates half the country and indirectly invites his follower to do likewise. Now that’s leadership by example. That’s pulling us all together! Si, se puedo! What could go wrong! It’s hard to believe that he can’t see how destructive this is.

It could have been different. If he had reached across the aisle in the beginning in any meaningful way, if he had been inclusive rather than exclusive, he would have had a shot at being great. It would have been hard, granted, but he could have at least tried!

It appears that legislative give and take wasn’t in Obama’s game plan from the beginning. He’s driving this destructive wedge into America because he knows that his far left agenda isn’t shared by most Americans and that he doesn’t have the skill set to sell it. Who would? So ridicule and being cool and all that while he’s speaking to the nation, that’s what we get? Does he really want to be just another put-down artist?

Is he a partisan? You bet. And that’s probably ok.

Did he get elected on the lie that he would unite America? My Goodness, look around. Yes.

They say he puts on a good party at the White House, quite a few in fact, and that he takes good care of his people in the feel good department. He’s probably getting all of his great ideas for rhetorical flourishes there. Here’s to hoping he can step out of the sound chamber that is a democratic get together and see the big picture.

That’s it! Be a big picture man, Berry!

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:03 am 70. Delia:

67. Real Deal,

Exactly right and that is why so many Conservatives are sick and tired of ’supposed’ conservatives acting like friggin’ Dems.

Maybe we need to ‘MOP’ up the whole lot of ‘em.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:04 am 71. Peter the Bubblehead:

38. Dave K. wrote:
A black man is our President, our Commander-in-Chief, and that’s why you hate him so much.

Peter writes: Wrong! I could not care less what color skin the President has. What concerns me are his policies, which are 180 degress out on just about every subject from my own.

He’s anti-American.
He’s anti-military.
He’s anti-national defense.
He’s pro-affirmative action.
He’s pro-welfare.
He’s Marxist.
He’s willing to befriend despots and terrorists, but refuses to even try and achieve victory in war.
He’s pro-wealth distribution, taking hard-earned money from people who work for it and giving it to lazy-a$$ idiots who arn’t even willing to get off the couch to change the TV channel no less actually support themselves or the families they irresponsibly create.
He’s pro-dismantling the system of government that has worked (mostly) successfully for over 230 years whle trying to re-mold it into a mirror of the socialist governments of Europe that would not now even exist if not for the strength of the US during the Cold War era.

As I said in the beginning, the color of a politician’s skin means nothing to me. I wouldn’t care if you are black, blue, green, orange with purple polka-dots… If you are for the same policies and agenda as The Won has show he is for, I am against you until my dying breath.

I actually had some high hopes that we had a real debate partner in Dave K, but I see not he’s just another typical troll, crying “You disagree with Obama? You RAAAACCCIISSTT!!!”

Please… come up with a new sound bite.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:05 am 72. Poor Citizen:

number 64, trailer park Dealia,

Sorry hunny, your stuck with history.

meltdown, george bush, and you.

Check out newspapers, google, from a couple years ago when you were thirteen….

Anyway, back to reality and adulthood…

this president is trying to revive the economy from a total…conservative … Bush…nightmare..

will he do it?… the verdict is still out

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:07 am 73. Delia:

56. Dave K.:

“Your hatred towards our country and its principles are truly scary.”

Yes, you’re right, David Special ‘K’. I’ve single-handedly manage to put our country’s citizens and their children in crazy-digit debt for God knows how long.

Yes, DSK, I’ve managed to make black people hate white people now that our half-white president is in ‘charge’ and livin’ large.

Yes, DSK, I’m trying to dismantle the constitution as I write this and hopefully stifle any of your and your ilk’s dissent.

I could go on but…I’ve got a constitution burning to attend to soon.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:08 am 74. Peter the Bubblehead:

56. Dave K. wrote:
So, Delia, can you prove to me that you’re not working to undermine the United States and its President and Commander-in-Chief?

Peter writes: Dave K, prove to me that undermining the present POTUS is also undermining the USA. To me, undermining the former might actually save the existence of the latter.

It is the brainless boobs who blindly follow a marxist-socialist administration actively trying to dismantle this once-great nation and turn it into a larger version of Cuba. Those of us who see and read and can think for ourselves are doing everything we can to try and save the country we love and grew up in.

If YOU, Dave K, want to live in a socialist paradise like you seem to want to by defending The Won’s actions and policies, may I suggest you take the first flight to either Cuba or Venezuela. I believe you may need to connect flights through Canada to do so.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:12 am 75. Delia:

And, I highly doubt that most white people (in America) are ‘all white’ or that most black people (in America) are all ‘black’.

My black friends teasingly call me ‘negro’ because I can dance the hoojy boojy and I have a ‘ghetto onion’ bubble butt.

Calling a racist a racist is racist btw.

RIGHT????

*eyeroll*

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:18 am 76. Rand Simberg:

The fact that he’s black is just about the only thing that I like about the president. So I guess I am a racist.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:33 am 77. Real Deal:

Oh come one Delia you know you get a discount at the Asian dry cleaners on your hood and robes and your local Home Depot gives a discount on all lumber used for burning crosses.

*eyeroll*

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:37 am 78. goy:

@2. Francis W. Porretto: – Every one of those assumptions is false, but challenging all of them simultaneously through the agency of our adversary’s preferred metaphor is next to impossible.

Oh I don’t know, Francis. I’ve always thought that the use of a false analogy is best countered by the use of a valid one. And I’m sure I’m not the only one, which is why BHO could only get away with using this sophomoric drivel on a crowd filled with half-witted, morally adolescent lemmings like Moho, David S, BC and their willfully obtuse, selectively blind ilk.

The appropriate response to BHO’s irrational metaphor is simply to ask him this:

“A MOP!!?? Hey! Idiot! Why are you trying to use a mop to put out a forest fire that you – and people in Congress who think like you – started in the first place!?”

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:38 am 79. tanstaafl:

If you haven’t seen it yet, funny mop video…

Leno mopping up

He seems to be more into using what he imagines is the right mop, his way. And he’ll apparently brook no criticism.

Picayune, petty authoritarians, the whole lot of them. Emanuel’s vendetta to destroy foxnews, intimitate their potential advertisers, as well as admin. attempts (yesterday) to get others in WH press pool to join in and reject fox, not even thinly veiled.

Barack’s allusion, last week, to removing insurance companies’ anti-trust exemption in the same vein of veiled threat and authoritarianism.

Yesterday, Barack told an interviewer that topics like fox aren’t important to him (”I’m not losing any sleep over it…”) while, all the time, he and his cronies appear to be obsessed with any news outlet or individual that dares criticize their bumbling and self-serving ways or looks behind the curtain at the collection of socialist zombies working in this administration.

Do any of this administration’s Mao-Chavez flatterers ever mention the authors of the American Constitution ? Or do they intend to concoct another, more enlightened document along lines of their superior élitist notions of “fairness” and equity?

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:40 am 80. Delia:

77. Real Deal,

LMFAO!!!!!!!

So true! The secret society of hate aka ‘SSH’ gives discounts on all kinds of goodies.

Cement shoes have gone up in price without a discount to be had oddly enough though. Must be the Global Warming thang.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:43 am 81. venividivici:

If you really want to follow Barack’s metaphor, get out your capitalist mop and show us what you’ve got.

I agree. One of the hindrances to getting the capitalist mop off the shelf is that we aren’t allowing one of the essential processes of capitalism to happen, i.e. for companies to fail.

The Bush admin definitely started the bailouts, but, as any honest account must admit, he did so over the objections of many people on the Right. Obama has not really done anything that would enable the wash-out processes to take place, either.

So, to extend the metaphor even further, the capitalists would LOVE to take up their mop, but there’s a bipartisan consensus to block the capitalists from the supply closet where their mop is resting.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:46 am 82. Delia:

72. Poor Citizen??????

And PC opens his gaping head wound with that tiny, dried up pea that pathetically attempts to be an actual brain and removes all doubt.

Clean up on aisle nine!

MOP needed STAT!

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:47 am 83. Gringo:

47. jharp:
Obama is exactly right that you had better grab a mop. And keep the teabagging to yourselves. No one is buying your act. The latest Research 2000 poll.CONGRESSIONAL GOPS: Favorable rating 15% Unfavorable 70%

There is dissatisfaction towards Congressional Republicans- not just from Democrats. There is also dissatisfaction towards Congressional Democrats. Interesting that jharp did not document his source so we could easily compare. Many conservatives are displeased with the way Republicans in Congress were big spenders when they were in power from 2001-2007. Similarly, many conservatives were against last year’s bailout. The dissatisfaction towards Republicans in Congress from both ends of the political spectrum does not necessarily translate into support for Democrats.
According to the latest Rasmussen Generic Congressional Ballot:

The GOP advantage over Democrats increased from two points to five in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 42% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent.

Support for Democrats dropped two points this week, while support for the GOP slightly increased.

Voters not affiliated with either party heavily favor the GOP, 40% to 23%.

There is a similar reaction from voters when asked whom they trust on issues, also from Rasmussen.

1)Voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on Education by 43% to 38%, a five point margin.
2) Voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on Health Care by 46% to 40%, a six point margin.
3)Voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on Taxes by 50% to 35%, a 15 point margin
4) Voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on National Security by 54% to 31%, a 23 point margin.
5)Voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on the Economy by 49% to 35%, a 14 point margin.
6) Voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on the War in Iraq by 50% to 31%, a 19 point margin.

While there is dissatisfaction with Republican Congressmen, this does not appear to translate into voter support for the Democratic Party. I have documented the previous sentence.

I have noticed that many Obama supporters posting here at PJM do not document their assertions, such as jharp this time. Why is this so?

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:48 am 84. Delia:

79. tanstaafl,

Thank you! That was hilarious!

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:49 am 85. Tex Taylor:

Poor citizen,

this president is trying to revive the economy from a total…conservative … Bush…nightmare..

Can you ask your new messiah to sprint around the track in the correct direction then?

Last I looked, MaO Bama was off to a tremendous start, raising the unemployment rate another 2% and all it cost us was about a trillion dollars to obtain MaO’s idea of “revival.”

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:13 am 86. Jason S:

The problem is that the only mops available to us for the past 17 years have been big-government mops or bigger-government mops. We all know that neither of these mops actually cleans up the mess, but only spreads it around so that the entire floor is dirty rather than just the area soiled by the original spill.

This mess requires more than a saturated big-government dirty mop – perhaps a limited government Sham-Wow would do the trick. Sham-Wow – you’ll be saying wow every time!!

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:18 am 87. deguello:

LET’S COMPILE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF TOILET PAPER :MOHO;COTTON SWAB (FOR SCRUBBING INFECTIOUS PUS) DAVID S:SANITARY NAPKIN PASTOR OF MUPPETS:have I MISSED ANYONE?

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:23 am 88. tanstaafl:

Couple things like administration moves to marginalize, even destroy, a news outlet along with the FCC meeting yesterday on something that sounds so benign “net neutrality” (really, another insertion/control measure, this time into the internet and regulation of service provider content)…

Benjamin Franklin on the essential role of free speech and who, exactly, is threatened by freedom of speech:

“Whoever would overthrow the Liberty of a Nation, must begin by subduing the Freeness of Speech; a Thing terrible to Publick Traytors…That Men ought to speak well of their Governours is true, while their Governours deserve to be well spoken of; but to do publick Mischief, without hearing of it, is only the Prerogative and Felicity of Tyranny…Only the wicked Governours of Men dread what is said of them…”

The Writings of Benjamin Franklin: Boston and London, 1722 – 1726

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:26 am 89. David S:

@83. Gringo:

Using only one poll can skew your figures. Try checking the aggregate at realclearpolitics.com

Generic Ballot:
D – 45%
R – 39.5%

The only pollster reporting the Republicans in the lead is Rasmussen. The rolling average has been in favor of Democrats for years. I understand you like Rasmussen – but their results are clearly outliers. Other pollsters show Democrats with a healthy margin.

I have noticed that many Obama supporters posting here at PJM do not document their assertions, such as jharp this time. Why is this so?

We take for granted that people can actually research these issues for themselves. Apparently that’s not the case – and when you demonstrate a need for assistance, I’m happy to help. Clearly you are relying too heavily on Rasmussen – you should diversify your sources.

Peace.

DS

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:27 am 90. jharp:

Gringo:

47. jharp:
Obama is exactly right that you had better grab a mop. And keep the teabagging to yourselves. No one is buying your act. The latest Research 2000 poll.CONGRESSIONAL GOPS: Favorable rating 15% Unfavorable 70%

Interesting that jharp did not document his source so we could easily compare. jharp:

Obama is exactly right that you had better grab a mop. And keep the teabagging to yourselves. No one is buying your act.

The latest Research 2000 poll.

CONGRESSIONAL GOPS: Favorable rating 15% Unfavorable 70%

15!
Oct 23, 2009 – 9:01 am

I documented my source, nimrod. “Research 2000″ Here is the link if that helps.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2009/10/22

Funny thing about the Rasmussen polls you cite. No one, not one poll publishes similar results. As a matter of fact, the democrats are ahead in every other generic poll.

And it really tickles me to see conservatives bailing out on the GOP. Why don’t you start a conservative party? We sure as hell don’t want you.

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:33 am 91. Rand Simberg:

Sham-Wow – you’ll be saying wow every time!!

That’s the problem. Obama is all sham, and no WOW.

The only pollster reporting the Republicans in the lead is Rasmussen. The rolling average has been in favor of Democrats for years. I understand you like Rasmussen – but their results are clearly outliers.

Rasmussen has been one of the most reliable polls for the last two cycles. Also, they poll likely voters, whereas many in the RCP average are merely registered voters, or just adults. And all the polls make assumptions about mix of respondents that may not correspond to reality.

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:38 am 92. Penelope:

4. Pedrosito:
Let’s grab a broom instead and sweep them out in 2010.
——————
You said it all!

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:45 am 93. Jason S:

Jharp: Rasmussen has consistently been the most accurate poll for a number of years:

http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf

But for diversity’s sake, here’s a couple of polls for you from Gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123806/Obama-Quarterly-Approval-Average-Slips-Nine-Points.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123497/Parties-Nearly-Tied-Congress-2010.aspx

It’s pretty clear the support for democrats is slipping drastically. Notice also that undecideds are going up as well. But by all means, keep getting your info from dailykos. I’ll take Rasmussen any day.

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:52 am 94. Delia:

Idiocracy is in full bloom.

Smells like team spirit?

No.

Smells like a bad batch of pruno.

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:57 am 95. Real Deal:

yo Jharp!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html

Not Rasmussen but Gallup says he’s tanking too. Also Rasmussen is one of the most accurate polls out there. A DailyKoS poll of kool-aid drinking liberals is rather suspect.

A DailyKoS poll of its readers is kind of like asking the chickens who they would prefer was on the menu tonight, them or the cows. You know how its going to turn out.

Oct 23, 2009 - 11:58 am 96. steveg:

#93 Jason S….No one lies or exaggerates like a liberal leftist. I saw a left-winger yesterday with a poster stating 83% of americans support the public option, and an ad on TV last night stating 70% support.

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:09 pm 97. ETAB:

jharp – a daily kos poll is hardly reliable. The validity and reliability of polls, as I’m sure you know, depends on the questions asked and the nature of the sample population. If both aren’t scientifically legitimate, the results are skewed.

I’ll take Rasmussen polling as reliable and valid, based on their scientific approach.

David S – your statement of ‘using only one poll can skew your figures’ is invalid. If the other polls are not carried out properly then they can hardly be used in a study. Surely your philosophy, as well as scientific background, ought to have alerted you to that!

Rasmussen has a table showing the party filiations since 2004. It shows that the Republican base remains rather steady; at the moment it’s 32.1 and this is about average over these years. The Democrat number has always been a few percentage point higher; it’s now 37.5 and again, this is its average over the years.

Note that Bush won re-election in 2004 when the Democrats were one point higher. And note also a ‘false or rogue’ membership in 2008,when the Democrats rose to a high of 41.7. They have now lost this and are back to their average.

What is important, however, is the rise in independents, which was low in 2008 (moved to the Democrats?) and is now up to 30.4. That’s the set to watch, because they’ll be voting for the candidates and the policies. Not the Party.

As for the ‘mop and pail’ metaphor, it’s an unhappy one. After all, the point of a new administration isn’t to declare, as Obama has done repeatedly, that All That Came Before The One, was ‘dirt’; and that Now that He Has Arrived, this Dirt will be mopped out..to leave..a Blank Slate?

First- such an arrogant and ignorant perspective of America, that its past must be expunged, is a deep insult to all Americans. And second, Obama has done nothing to admire so far and has done a great deal of harm – including his trillions of pork-created deficit, his bullying of banks, his insertion of the govt into private business, his denigration of Congress, his disastrous foreign policy..etc.

And David K – stop with the racist allegations; they are invalid. We critique the action not the skin color. I hope you are capable of doing the same.

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:09 pm 98. jharp:

ETAB:

jharp – a daily kos poll is hardly reliable. The validity and reliability of polls, as I’m sure you know, depends on the questions asked and the nature of the sample population. If both aren’t scientifically legitimate, the results are skewed.

I’ll take Rasmussen polling as reliable and valid, based on their scientific approach.
____________________________________________________________

Research 2000 is a scientific poll. And Research 2000 is a reliable pollster.

If you have a problem with their methodology kindly point it out. Otherwise save your unsubstantiated claims.

Again Rasmussen is the only poll that has republicans ahead on a generic ballot. The only one. All of the others poll them to be trailing.

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:23 pm 99. Jason S:

steveg-

That’s why i love letting facts and statistics do my arguing for me. It’s a lot less exhausting than having to chase my tail around making rationalizations. I love how jharp uses a dailykos poll to refute a Rasmussen poll. LOL!!!

Also, did you notice the Fordham I posted study showed that 17 polls overstated Obama’s margin while only 4 underestimated it? That tells me that the RCP average is almost always skewed in favor of democrats.

It seems like everyone would want accurate, unbiased polls to go by, but it appears folks like jharp only want polls that favor their viewpoint, regardless of their accuracy. Then again, being well-informed and armed with good arguments has never been a strong suit of his ilk. However, they do seem to have an advantage when it comes to ad hominem zingers, memorizing talking points, and rationalizing or completely ignoring empirical evidence.

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:26 pm 100. venividivici:

96

There was a good article you may have seen by Jay Cost on what is driving support for the public option. A lot of it boils down to pollsters obfuscating what the public option would be in actuality, with pollsters using “sugar and spice and everything nice” language to describe what will actually be a bureaucratic mess. 1500 pages worth of bureaucratic mess, to be exact.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2009/10/does_the_public_want_a_public_1.html

Progressives in the blogosphere and the halls of Congress are pushing for the so-called “public option.” One of their major arguments is that the public wants it.

But does it?

From a certain perspective, the public option polls very well. Let’s look at some of the polls on this in the current RCP average of Obama’s job approval, being careful to note question wording.

The way the questions are being asked, it would be like a private company hiring a pollster to test a new product concept and the pollster asking “Would you be willing to buy the most awesome product ever for practically nothing?”. Duh, of course.

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:34 pm 101. jharp:

Monday, November 03, 2008

It’s all even in Ohio.

The final Fox News/Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state before Election Day shows John McCain and Barack Obama each attracting 49% of the vote.
___________________________________

Final result: Obama by 4%
_____________________________________

Sunday, November 02, 2008

John McCain has closed the gap in Pennsylvania over the past few weeks.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of voters in the state shows Obama with 52% of the vote while McCain picks up 46%.
____________________________________________________

Final result: Obama by 10.5%
__________________________________________________________

Just a coincidence? Right?

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:35 pm 102. Delia:

Hey, ‘Daily Kos’ poll believers…

Uh.

Would you take a ‘PJM’ poll seriously either?

C’mon now. Sometimes leftists are so blatantly mentally and emotionally stunted it’s like try to explain the color ‘blue’ to them.

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:39 pm 103. jharp:

Delia:

Hey, ‘Daily Kos’ poll believers…

Uh.

Would you take a ‘PJM’ poll seriously either?
_______________________________________________________

If it was a scientific poll and the methodology was clearly spelled out and not flawed, yes.

I don’t think you even know what a scientific poll is.

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:53 pm 104. David S:

@102. Delia:

Would you take a ‘PJM’ poll seriously either?

If PJM commissioned a poll, I would take it seriously – as long as the methodology was sound, and the questionnaire made public. Question order and wording has such a huge effect in polling, that relying on any one pollster is never wise.

In the case of the Daily Kos polls, Research 2000 is a very well respected and historically accurate polling firm. Their polls are generally within the margin of error of other polls. If you can get PJM to pay for some actual facts to be published here, more power to you.

Peace.

DS

Oct 23, 2009 - 12:55 pm 105. Jason S:

jharp – #101-

Well you proved my last post to be spot on – rationalizing, ignoring evidence or just selecting it to suit your fancy (ie. selecting two states within 50 to refute Rasmussen, who along with Pew had the most accurate election 2008 polls). If you can bring yourself to read it, I’ll post it again for you:

http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:00 pm 106. Anonymous:

Research 2000 is a scientific poll. And Research 2000 is a reliable pollster.

If you have a problem with their methodology kindly point it out. Otherwise save your unsubstantiated claims.

The company is heavily left leaning and strongly tied to the DailyKoS, and unlike Rasmussen they don’t publish their methodology so its pretty hard to point out problems. But since their numbers seem to be from polls on the KoS I’d hardly say they’re an accurate cross section of America.

Take this for example:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/22/795808/-Leadership-Poll:-Barack-Obama

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:16 pm 107. Bilwick:

Not being part of the State, I haven’t cuased any messes. But I’d like to grab a mop, and do with it to the State-shtuppers what some New York City cops did with a toilet plunger a few years ago. They can even close their eyes and pretend that I’m Obama.

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:17 pm 108. Thomas_L.....:

The trolls are out in full force on this one. Soros’s troll-toll-o-meter is spinning wildly. A blur of troll-hours! The bill will be hefty if he’s paying these morons by the word.
Type more! We’ll break the bum!

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:21 pm 109. Fred Beloit:

Harpo say: “Obama is exactly right that you had better grab a mop. And keep the teabagging to yourselves. No one is buying your act.”

Now Harpo thought you had stopped using the filthy Cooper insult. Guess I was wrong.

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:28 pm 110. Jason S:

Anonymous #106-

Excellent points all. I’m sure jhard would argue all day with you about methodology, but we have the benefit of hindsight now that the election is over, and the result really puts this argument to bed. Rasmussen and Pew nailed it; dailykos did not – end of discussion.

It’s kinda like affirmative action or welfare – we get bogged down in methodology and forget to look at the actual results. Jharp would undoubtedly focus his attention on the few bright spots while completely ignoring the catastrophic overall results.

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:35 pm 111. David S:

@106. Anonymous:

No wonder you post anonymously.

The company is heavily left leaning and strongly tied to the DailyKoS, and unlike Rasmussen they don’t publish their methodology so its pretty hard to point out problems. But since their numbers seem to be from polls on the KoS I’d hardly say they’re an accurate cross section of America.

Care to cite your source that shows the company is “heavily left leaning”? Obviously you never looked at the poll, because at the bottom of the page they share the methodology:

A total of 2400 adults nationally were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of calls was made into each state in the country in order to reflect the adult population nationally.

The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 2% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the “true” figure would fall within that range if the entire adult population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any demographic subgroup, such as gender, race, or region.

GEOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN:

Northeast:
DC, ME, VT, NY, MD, PA, CT, DE, MA, NH, RI, WV, NJ

South:
FL, NC, SC, AL, MS, GA, VA, TN, KY, LA, AR, TX

Midwest:
IL, MN, MI, OH, WI, IA, MO, KS, IN, ND, SD, OK, NE

West:
NM, CA, OR, WA, AK, HI, MT, ID, UT, NV, AZ, WY, CO

SCRIPT:

For favorability questions, respondents are asked: “Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of _______?”

When you post an unrelated poll of DailyKos readers as a refutation of the Research 2000 data, and lie about their transparency, it’s pretty clear your anonymity is necessary so you can lie unabashedly. At least you have enough shame not to claim this post as your own.

Peace.

DS

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:36 pm 112. Banned by Huffpo:

Enough of this “Oh you don’t like Dear Leader because he’s black. You racist you!”

Well, listen up: Obambi is a mulatto. Got it?

Here’s the defenition, right from good old Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: mu·lat·to
Pronunciation: \mə-ˈla-(ˌ)tō, mu̇-, myu̇-, -ˈlä-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural mu·lat·toes or mu·lat·tos
Etymology: Spanish mulato, from mulo mule, from Latin mulus
Date: 1593
1 : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2 : a person of mixed white and black ancestry

QED

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:37 pm 113. jharp:

106. Anonymous:

Research 2000 is a scientific poll. And Research 2000 is a reliable pollster.

If you have a problem with their methodology kindly point it out. Otherwise save your unsubstantiated claims.

The company is heavily left leaning and strongly tied to the DailyKoS, and unlike Rasmussen they don’t publish their methodology so its pretty hard to point out problems. But since their numbers seem to be from polls on the KoS I’d hardly say they’re an accurate cross section of America.

Take this for example:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/22/795808/-Leadership-Poll:-Barack-Obama
______________________________________________________________

You are a moron. And clearly don’t even understand what a scientific poll is.

Hint. Your link wasn’t one. Thus, there is no reason to explain the methodology. The results are meaningless.

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:42 pm 114. homero:

108. Thomas_L…..

correct, the troll minders are after this one. anything that challenges the obuma rhetoric is attacked.

too much to be coincidence.

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:45 pm 115. jharp:

Glenn Beck talks with Scott Rasmussen

August 4, 2008

For First Time, McCain Edges Ahead Of Obama In Tracking Poll

GLENN BECK: About an hour ago Scott Rasmussen put out a new — results of a new poll that show that for the first time John McCain is ahead.

Rasmussen has little credibility. He is well know to change his results at the end. He knows the numbers, it’s true. It’s just during the race he always has the GOP doing better than they really are.

Then days before the election he changes his tune. Exactly how he is misleading the teabaggers today.

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:54 pm 116. ETAB:

jharp – your assertion that the Research 2000 is ‘a scientific poll’ and that it’s a ‘reliable pollster’ isn’t, unfortunately, enough evidence for such a conclusion.

Their methodology is inadequate; their sample population is only adults, not likely voters.

I presume you saw the answers to the question of whether the respondent would like more Republicans or Democrats elected in 2010? The 18-29 age set, who rarely vote, were 54 to 6 in favor of Democrats. The 30-44 age set who do vote, were 26/40 in favor of Republicans.

Their rhetoric on their home site is pure leftist.

Rasmussen doesn’t have the Republicans ahead as far as party filiation is concerned. and it puts the Republican candidates ahead in the current particular races.

And by the way, check out the Rasmussen analysis on te 2008 election. They were ’spot on’. Obama won 53-46; their final poll showed his win at 52-45. OK?

Oct 23, 2009 - 1:55 pm 117. George S.:

the trolls/useful idiots have their marching orders. they didn’t get ideology overnight and they wont leave it easily so there really is NOOOOO point trying to debate or educate them.

they will be the jailers in your future. they are shrilling for the results of YOUR labour.

if you haven’t seen the link below it is worth visiting. You will probably want to see the whole interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzdYLyhwGLc

the next link explains the other problem (not the troll infestation.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

this last link is just pure fun.

http://www.pbase.com/opinion/maniacal

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:00 pm 118. Now and Then:

Limbaugh called Obama “boy” again today. I’m so proud to be a conservative. How anyone, ANYONE can think we’re racist is beyond me.

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:00 pm 119. Commuter:

98. jharp:
“Research 2000 is a scientific poll. And Research 2000 is a reliable pollster.”

harpo, to be a scientific poll run by a reliable pollster requires that it be non-partisan.

By all the evidence, Rasmussen is what they claim to be, a non-partisan polling organization. By all the evidence, Research 2000 is anything but what they claim to be, a non-partisan polling organization.

Before you beclown yourself further, go to the Research 2000 site and read Del Ali’s blog (the president of Research 2000). While I am sure that you will find a kindred spirit in his ranting, Del Ali’s blog articles indicate that the principal of Research 2000 broadcasts the extremity of his politics very openly. He does so to such an extent that anyone using his services is either unaware of his questionable ability to control his bias, is aware but is commissioning polls where political bias of the polling organization is not relevant, or commissions Research 2000 to run politically sensitive polls because of Del Ali’s politics.

In any event, no competent principal of a reliable polling organization would make the following open statement in an article on his company’s website: http://research2000.us/?p=1016

“Let me make it clear that I will continue to be the same non partisan pollster as I have been for over the past 20 years when it comes to the quality of my work. If that is not good enough for our clients or prospective clients, then to hell with all of you, particularly if you feel that way after you read the list. In fact, I hope my media clients will go after this cowardly slob and take him down once and for all.”

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:05 pm 120. Ding:

The trolls pretty much just take up space on this site don’t they? They work hard to create an illusion of volume but really, all they do is get in these circular arguments and dole out the same warmed over tripe. Write something outrageous and wait for the unsuspecting to bite, then game on.

I like it that some have created these cute little ways of making themselves stand out from the crowd. It makes it easier to get in the proper frame of mind while scanning. What with their short, repetitive posts and little ID tags you just know they have all kinds of insightful bumper stickers on their cars.

They also have a lot of free time on their hands, what with all the posting they do. You’d think that with all the time they put into this they could come up with some better stuff. But then again, it’s all about the volume. They’re here to taunt, which is good ‘cause it gives the reader a good measure of what he’s up against. Thank goodness for Pajamas Media and their open door policy. Otherwise we wouldn’t know these sad little people are out there.

Like a six year old with a hammer, I swear. And this is their contribution to the revolution? How sad.

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:10 pm 121. Real Deal:

Interesting thing though that if you follow various links on the Research 2000 page you end up the link in 106…the KoS Diary. Not to mention rather biased language by the person conducting one of their polls:

“Still, Boehner doesn’t even pretend to acknowledge their existence. In his bubble world, the only people who matter are corporate lobbyists, Rush Limbaugh, and teabaggers. Now that willful blindness might be popular among his constituents (they approve of his efforts to kill health care reform by a 52-31 margin), but it doesn’t put him or his party any nearer to the American mainstream.”

Yeah, I’d have to doubt the results from that company. Any MD readers close to Onley, MD feel like dropping by to see if they have “Yes we can!” and “Hope and Change” posters on the walls?

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:13 pm 122. ETAB:

David S – someone with your extensive background in philosophy and science ought to know that the margin of error is normally plus/minus 3, (not 2), and that inserting a high proportion of non-voters (17%) into a poll about voting preferences will seriously skew the results.

You can see the nonvoters favor the Democrats. Oh, and it’s interesting how far-off the Rasmussen poll this Research 2000 has in its general opinion of Obama, which puts him as majority favorable, while the Rasmussen shows the opposite.

The poll is biased with the insertion of non-voters.

Also, check out the commentaries on their home page. Pure leftism.

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:15 pm 123. Delia:

You’d never take a PJM poll seriously and yet you believe in DailyKozy ‘methodology’.

I’d not trust a fair ‘polling’ from PJM in the same manner I wouldn’t trust anything ‘polled’ from ‘DailyKos’ with a grain of gray matter.

WHY? Because we are talking Left and Right.

I highly doubt there are many ‘leftist interlocutors’ that frequent PJM except for the trollage just as I highly doubt their are many conservatives that visit DailyKos and so anything from either respective websites would have skewed polling results.

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:15 pm 124. Delia:

‘Boy’ is ALWAYS a racist insult?

No. I don’t sphinct so.

I’m going with THIS valid definition:

“An immature or inexperienced man, especially a young man.”

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:19 pm 125. Jason S:

Now and Then #117 -

So did Jimmy Carter; what’s your point?

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:46 pm 126. Tex Taylor:

I wouldn’t waste time arguing with this jharp fellow. He’s an Obama rube nine months after Obama has been proven to be completely inept and an abject failure. That is all you need to know about his makeup.

JHarp will learn soon enough about how popular Dim policies are with the collective American populace – polls, or no polls. To paraphrase another lib sister of Satan going by the name of Molly who now resides with him, a case of the clap would stand a better chance of approval.

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:55 pm 127. Stevenham:

We all need mops… to clean up the progressive bs…

Oct 23, 2009 - 2:56 pm 128. Stevenham:

16. Dave K.:

“You mean like pretending to clear brush while pretending to be a cowboy?”

Maybe… I’m middle class with an office job but I keep an orchard… It really a lot of work… getting up early on work days to spray. Pruning, training, cleaning up the leaf fall… It’s good exercise.. and its ‘fun’ for some reason I don’t really get… but is that pretending to be a farmer? ie, just because you want a put down or are you saying that was all staged and Bush doesn’t do any ‘real’ work when at home? Just wondering so I know what your claiming.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:02 pm 129. Locomotive Breath:

Obama thinks it doesn’t matter whether you hold the squishy end against the floor or the pointy end against the floor. Here’s a hint. If you scrub with the pointy end, you’re only going to mark up the floor.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:17 pm 130. Delia:

126. Stevenham,

If only a ‘mop’ could undo the lackadaisical bullshittery of our current ‘times’.

Let’s face an ugly fact:

A lot of men don’t pay child support, little lone care for their children er ‘many churrens’.

Many men and women are loose and fast with their ‘freedom’ via abortion and ‘birth-control’ and when they make the ‘mistake’ of birthin’ day-babies, da gov’mt swoops in and takes ‘keer’ of ‘em.

As a child of a former welfare recipient, I can tell you that being on the ‘dole’ is depressing as h-e-double-toothpick-evennnnnnn. I could regale ya’ll of horror stories about gov. cheese and gov. peanut butter.

But, I digress…a LOT.

As to topic:

Mopping up a ‘mess’ requires ‘cleaning’ skills.

Throwing another diaper load of toxic stupid at the economy is the hight of “This is your brain. This is your brain on crack” stupid.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:31 pm 131. Delia:

And…the height of audacity is perhaps putting an idiotic white man who happens to be half black in office simply because he’s half black.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:33 pm 132. cabeza de mierda:

obama doesn’t care which end of the mop you hold since he is above such menial work.

you little people do that.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:36 pm 133. deguello:

HEY PJMERS !ATTention: ETAB,REAL DEAL AND COMMUTER :Notice how a libtard deals with messengers who report facts not consonant with his political fantasies. Look at David the Stalinist, assasinating the competence of Rasmussen. You can bet that he had no objections to Rasmussen when it reported good numbers for the ODWEEB.First it was Fox, now it’s Rasmussen,Soon it will be Gallup.ANYONE who disagrees with this Stalinist slug, risks attempted marginalization.David is pathetic;Obama is reaping the consequences of his actions,he’s going down David! DEGUELLO!

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:37 pm 134. deguello:

Let me try this again on a computer with a functioning keyboard. It was predictable that DAVID S. JHARP.NOW&THEN, and the other Stalinist trolls would defend the mop trope .A mop is a tool employed by someone trying to avoid touching filth;Obama leaves that to his TOOLs like Rahm Emmanuel, Dunn,and the MSM,and his trollish TOOLS who infest PJM.These tools not only love to fling filth,they are posi tvely ecstatic rolling around in it.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:47 pm 135. buddy larsen:

128, not only that, but then the squishy end is in your face, which come to think of it is about the condition of the American people –and alas will be until the next election or two –

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:56 pm 136. Delia:

131. deguello,

The destruction of the middle class is almost complete. The people left to ‘mop’ up are the poor and the elites. I have a sinking feeling that neither has learned how to work a tool.

Oct 23, 2009 - 3:56 pm 137. fireyourguns:

Now and Then:

Limbaugh called Obama “boy” again today. I’m so proud to be a conservative. How anyone, ANYONE can think we’re racist is beyond me.

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If it’s not a “boy” then it must be a “girl”… choices are limited on this planet. Racism isn’t the only thing that is beyond you. Intelligence doesn’t seem to follow you very closely, either! “Limbaugh called obama “boy” again today”… so friggin’ what? As far as I can tell, it “is” a boy! Sounds better than “Purple Lipped Big Eared Dummy”, doesn’t it? How many people heard Limbaugh call it a “boy” today N&T? 25-30 million? How many care whether or not you pretend to be personally offended by your “out of context” race baiter post… zero sound about right? Personally, I’m extremely happy that Limbaugh bunches your panties on a daily basis. Statist hemorrhoids need attention! Keep firing Rush, we can see the bloodshot red of their eyes…

Oct 23, 2009 - 4:04 pm 138. steveg:

Hell, the war on poverty cost ($6 trillion) is half of our national debt. And the progressives are still patting themselves on the back for destroying the black family unit.

Oct 23, 2009 - 4:11 pm 139. Banned by Huffpo:

@130 Delia:
Mulatto, my dear; mulatto.

Oct 23, 2009 - 4:33 pm 140. Sallie:

138

the progressives didn’t destroy the black family unit. The black family has directly destroyed the unit. If the progressives would have caused this, then it would be an “outside” fixable problem. However, it is internal, and handed down generation to generation.

Unfortunate ,but true.

Oct 23, 2009 - 4:50 pm 141. Bilgeman:

Mr. Simberg:
“They got out their harsh (yes) socialist mop and started to use it to “spread the wealth around,” doing nothing but redistributing the mess, shoving it all over the floor into a thin, egalitarian smear and actually increasing the “mess” (unemployment) to almost ten percent, when they claimed that the label that they didn’t have time to read would keep it down to eight.”

Actually, I think The Alleged Hawaiian gave us a very telling insight when he referred to the economy as a “mess”.

Sure, it’s a mess. But we live in a capitalist country and planet, which is subject to the vicissitudes of a myriad of interconnected factors…the weather, fish migrations, market forces.

If you take the long view of it, you’ll notice that it has cycles…we call ‘em “Booms” and “Busts”.

So when you can see the forest for for the trees, you can more clearly grasp that we live in a deciduous forest, rather than some indoor grocery store or mommy’s kitchen, and that it is perfectly natural to occasionally find yourself with a “mess”.

It’s happened before and it will happen again, that’s not a “bug”, it’s a “feature” as the software boys say).

What IS a “bug” is that Obama perceives this as unnatural…and that’s why he’s out there with a mop, trying “clean up” the autumn leaves.

Don’t despair, my friends!

In 2010, ole Bilgeman will show y’all how to use a SAND-BLASTER.

Cleans LOTS of sh!t off FAST!

Right down to the steel. (And if you’re not careful, right through the steel, too).

Oct 23, 2009 - 4:56 pm 142. homero:

141. Bilgeman:

“Right down to the steel. (And if you’re not careful, right through the steel, too).”

Don’t worry Bilgeman …you wont encounter any steel, in fact no metal at all. BUT you will find the sh!t to be thick.

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:10 pm 143. AST:

– That “picking up a mop and helping” has any semantically defensible relation to what Obama really wants Precisely!

Grab a mop and help? What’s he offering, a co-presidency? Is he asking anybody else for suggestions on how to solve the problems?

He’s using a Zamboni on the kitchen floor and complaining that Republicans aren’t swabbing next to him? He’s not cleaning up anything, just pushing the dirt around and bringing in his buddies to track in more dirt.

He came in with a dirty floor and he’s already created the Augean stables.

Oct 23, 2009 - 5:28 pm 144. gracie:

All I care for at this point is the 2010 election. That will tell us a lot. More than the polls.

I’ve read that Obama’s approval rating is “somewhere between Bush and Carrot Top”.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:15 pm 145. Pragmatist:

Could one of the moonbat left wing socialist Obama worshiping TROLLS please explain why the Afghanistan leader is significant when the ENEMY is the Taliban. This is just ANOTHER Obambi EXCUSE for dithering and being unable to make a decision that will alienate his moonbat left wing supporters BEFORE he uses them to railroad through his Health Care boondoggle.

Oct 23, 2009 - 7:42 pm 146. DaveinPhoenix:

Exactly ! Cleaning up a mess left by a Democratic Congress which created a recession 9 months after taking over. I agree Mr. President ! Who needed all those balanced budgets and SURPLUSES from the previous Republican Congress anyway…

Oct 23, 2009 - 8:03 pm 147. noreen:

He needs to throw his leg over the mop, put his nasty wife on behind him and ride out of our lives and into the sunset

Oct 23, 2009 - 9:53 pm 148. Now and Then:

142. homero:

Right Wing Scat Alert – Right on Cue . . . Well done, homore

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:14 pm 149. Now and Then:

124. Delia:

“‘Boy’ is ALWAYS a racist insult?”
Of course not, unless you’re referring to a black MAN, then it is ALWAYS a racist insult. You know, kind of like c&%t . . . is it always a sexist insult? Of course not.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:20 pm 150. AQUA:

Ha! Ha! Ha! So witty. Mops and wee wee. Brilliance and grace in speaking and leadership, just like Lincoln.

What he didn’t care to mention out loud at the time, was that the “MESS” he meant and means to “Mop Up,” in his opinion, isn’t the 8 years of Bush, but is the ENTIRE HISTORY and ACHIEVEMENT OF THE UNITED STATES — filthy from his point of view. And, oh yes, that retrograde and FLAWED CONSTITUTION.

That’s what our president thinks of his country. It was just as witty and clever to have elected him.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:21 pm 151. Now and Then:

125. Jason S:

“So did Jimmy Carter; what’s your point?”

I’m so glad you asked. Jimmy Carter was talking about Obama as a little kid, a genuine boy. Rush was talking about Obama in college.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:24 pm 152. Richard:

I would love to help out. Where do I begin to dismantle all of these Bolshevik programs?
Pass the jackhammer.

Oct 23, 2009 - 10:58 pm 153. El Gordo:

After the last eight years, it is highly amusing how left-wing commenters suddenly cling to patriotism and respect for the office of President and calling their opponents unpatrotic at every occasion.

This tactic is less plausible when you have a President who by his own words considers our constitution flawed and our country fundamentally defective. A President who snubs even his loyal (and elected) opposition, who attacks private individuals and organisations all the time, including news organisations, who gives billions to organisations which corrupt the voting process, who courts foreign enemies but thinks nothing of insulting allies. Heck, even our relationship with FRANCE has deteriorated though you won´t read that in the sycophantic court media.

The list goes on and on. These are his choices.

To make his vision of radical change permanent, Barack Obama is burning up our money, our economic future, our political culture, our diplomatic and military strength.

For this President, dividing the country is not a bug, it´s a feature. A tactic to increase power.

And you know what? Bush did none of these things. NO White House has ever behaved like that in living memory. It is not only unbecoming. It reeks of fascism. That´s right, I said it.

No, Obama is not Hitler; that´s simplistic and self-evidently untrue and I didn´t say that. But on any scale Obama is closer to fascist methods and goals than any of his predecessors. Funny that the man who compared himself to Lincoln, FDR and Washington is now compared to Nixon. Well, Nixon was after all a progressive. But it took Nixon much longer to screw up half as bad.

Oct 24, 2009 - 12:36 am 154. Michigander:

You can always tell when ” the holy mans” prompter breaks down, he goes off script and says something childish. I think there should be signs on the WH fence warning “CHILDREN AT PLAY ON THIS PROPERTY ” I have never seen an administration that has more devious idiots giving advice than this one . Can’t wait till 2012,then maybe the real people will turn out and vote,I know that McCain turned a lot of voters off and we gave him the win .

Oct 24, 2009 - 5:51 am 155. Mike Blackadder:

AQUA @ 150: I had the same thought about this apparent rallying around his ’socialist mop’ speech – that folks are clinging to the belief that Obama will be remembered as one of America’s great presidents (like Lincoln).

It’s sad to imagine future generations being inspired by, “.. you know, I’m busy and Nancy busy with our mop cleaning up somebody else’s mess –- we don’t want somebody sitting back saying, you’re not holding the mop the right way. (Applause.) Why don’t you grab a mop, why don’t you help clean up. (Applause.) You’re not mopping fast enough. (Laughter.) That’s a socialist mop. (Laughter and applause.) Grab a mop –- let’s get to work.”

So is this the cream of the leftist intellect? I have inherited a mess, so don’t hold me responsible for anything that I do.

It’s such a poor analogy anyway. If you have accepted the premise that he is actually ‘cleaning up the mess’ then it is likely that you approve of the job he is doing. I guess it doesn’t take much to impress some people.

Here are some of Lincoln’s famous analogies/metaphors for comparison:

“Character is like a tree and reputation like a shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.”

“Die when I may, I want it said by those who knew me best that I always plucked a thistle and planted a flower where I thought a flower would grow.”

“Hold on with a bulldog grip, and chew and choke as much as possible.”

“The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.”

Oct 24, 2009 - 7:48 am 156. tanstaafl:

Funny that the man who compared himself to Lincoln, FDR and Washington is now compared to Nixon.

Here, an NPR guy speaks the truth but, like a good modern progressive, quickly backtracks to cover his arse

(remember Spiro Agnew’s description of the press as “…nattering nabobs of negativity” ? That phrase really stuck inside the public consciousness, much like General Honorés wonderful observation post Katrina, “stuck on stupid”)

Stupid can be a by-product of extreme arrogance. Obama’s handlers (Rahm, David, Valerie etc.) need to learn that Chicago style politics on the national level will just make their guy look bad.

While all their guy seems to have to fall back on, after 9 months, copious money spent and deep, daily strategizing, is flinging mop asperions at his predecessor.

Can anyone say lame ?

Oct 24, 2009 - 8:07 am 157. tanstaafl:

asperions

aspersions

Oct 24, 2009 - 8:09 am 158. johnt:

How long does this little girl in a man’s suit continue to hide behind Bush? I shall add, while his loon supporters lobotomize themselves over his incompetence and blunders. Their secular religion must be very important to them.
Wait for the tax increases kids, the big ones to cover the vote bribing spending & huge deficits.
Why then you’ll really be happy with your Barack won’t you?
And forget the crap about only the rich will be taxed.

Oct 24, 2009 - 8:13 am 159. AlexD:

Excellent article!

Oct 24, 2009 - 8:41 am 160. Mike Blackadder:

Sorry, I changed my mind. It’s not really that the ’socialist mop’ is a poor analogy. Rather it is a typical Obamaism; seemingly profound to those who are taken by his manner of saying something, while the underlying message is either hollow or a mere trick.

Like I said in the previous post, the trick is in suggesting that debates over the president’s performance is about his style of fixing a problem, when the real debate is about whether or not he is actually fixing the problem.

It would be just as fair to say: .. you know Nancy and I are busy holding a mop over somebody else’s mess while defecating on the floor. We could use some help here. So grab a mop and lets empty our bowels.

Oct 24, 2009 - 9:02 am 161. Delia:

Is there such a thing as a socialist tampon? Maybe that would have been a better analogy considering our young men and women are bleeding in Afghanistan and ol’ wee-wee pants fuzzy-logic himself dithers about rather than deciding one way or another. DohBama can decide what kind of frou-frou lunch he eats or who his latest man-boob oil boy is but war is a ‘tuff’ one for ol’ pantaloons Potus.

Oct 24, 2009 - 11:01 am 162. Jason S:

Now and Then:

I’ll say it applies to Obama as a 47 year old – he acts like a child (thin skin, trying to please everybody, taking everything personally, and having a genarally naive world view) and is male, so one could say he acts like a boy. Or I guess if you want to be PC you could say he acts like a male child, but I don’t subscribe.

Listening to Jimmy Carter’s quote, I thoroughly enjoyed trying to imagine someone like Limbaugh or Hannity saying the exact same thing without having Reverend Al descend on him like the plague. You could be right – I haven’t heard the clip of Rush, but I imagine if it was in the context that you claim we would have already heard about it from someone a little more important than an anonymous troll on this website. As it stands, the only success anyone has had in painting Rush as a racist has been fabricated quotes that he never made. 21 years, 5 days a week, and not one actual, verifiable quote. Good luck with your crusade though. I’m sure the ACLU will be getting in touch with you at any moment.

Lastly, please tell me all the other words that are off limits when describing Obama so that I do not commit that ultimate sin of offending someone. Are inept, unqualified, or immature out of bounds? Thanks for your guidance.

Oct 24, 2009 - 11:07 am 163. Now and Then:

162. Jason S:
“I haven’t heard the clip of Rush, but I imagine if it was in the context that you claim we would have already heard about it from someone a little more important than an anonymous troll on this website. ”

Here you go:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910230013

“Lastly, please tell me all the other words that are off limits when describing Obama so that I do not commit that ultimate sin of offending someone. Are inept, unqualified, or immature out of bounds? Thanks for your guidance.”

It doesn’t require guidance, Jason, just common sense and a modicum of grace. Good luck

Best if you stop digging.

Oct 24, 2009 - 2:16 pm 164. Ben:

i agree that the problem with the mopping is it spreads the muck around, but Barack is also using “Arm, Hammer, and Sickle” ammonia + bleach that will poison our economy more. it is like not letting the liver filter out the junk of the economy, and adding a bunch of new drugs that will make you feel better; but take twice as long.

Oct 24, 2009 - 4:06 pm 165. Delia:

Rush got punk’d straight up and should apologize for ranking on B.O. for a bogus ‘thesis’ meme that went viral. Michael Ledeen formally apologized on PJM and it would be a good idea if Rush did the same and man up.

Otherwise, I’m gonna hafta start calling Rush a ‘boy’.

Oct 24, 2009 - 7:13 pm 166. Delia:

I still want to see the real ‘thesis’ though.

Show ME DA THESIS!

Damnit!

Oct 24, 2009 - 7:14 pm 167. deguello:

ATTENTION PJMRS!DAVID the STALINIST,and the other lib trolls heve tried to marginalize Rasmussen, for daring to quantify the Ohole’s declining popularity.David actually calls Rasmussen’s polling “outlier” ( a pathetic attempt at a slanderous pun). I am interested to see how they try to spin the results of these recent surveys (reported in the NY POST 10/25 2009,p.27).HARRIS: THOSE RATING OBAMA’S HANDLING OF VARIOUS ISSUES AS “NEGATIVE”: UNEMPLOYMENT:74%;TAXES:71%;HEALTH CARE:69%:THE ECONOMY:67%;WAR IN IRAQ:66%;EDUCATION:60%;THE ENVIRONMENT:60%.GALLUP:AVERAGE APPROVAL RATING DOWN TO53% FROM 62%LAST QUARTER. THE 9 POINT DROP BETWEEN BACK t0 1953.Davey S, N&T, MOHON, VIVO,and the other would be GULAG torturers,and dispensers of OBAMA agitprop: THE PARTY,S OVER,FILTH!The Americansn people have discovered that they elected a petulant,inept,marxoid dweeb for president,who wants this nation to resemble Venezuela.Expect resistance!DEGUELLO!

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:10 am 168. deguello:

#136 DELIA: They are not at home with tools,because tools imply a relationship with reality, which libtards cannot abide.The most critical tool in politics, is the gun(see MAO).Libtards rely on increasingly discredited judicial despotism,which is not quite the same thing, and remain totally unarmed.This will be their downfall,because they willl be unable to depend on the military to repress us,when we begin to regain control of congress.They will fail. It’s only a matter of time.We need to train , stay alert,and let them make the first move.

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:25 am 169. DEGUELLO:

I for one don’t think that Obama is a girl,much lesss a boy, HE IS A METROSEXUAL DWEEB, WITH CASTROITE DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR,AND CRIMINAL TENDENCIES.

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:29 am 170. deguello:

#148NOW&THEN said:”Right Wing Scat alert”! “Right on cue”.YES INDEED, N&T,WE KNEW YOU’D BE HUNGRY.JUST TRYING TO BE NICE TO OUR INTELLECTUALLY INFERIOR,COPROPHAGOUS, TROLLLS! BON APETIT!

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:38 am 171. tanstaafl:

I’ve often said, hey, America, the nation’s chief executive doesn’t have the power to do what he’s claiming.

Stand up to the OBAMADRAMA.

A refreshing take with some great practical advice

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:41 am 172. deguello:

#167 CORRECTION:53% Average approval rating. down from 62 % last quarter.The 9 point drop between quarters is the largest ever measured by Gallup dating back to 1953.MY APOLOGIES.DEGUELLO

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:43 am 173. tanstaafl:

…a good idea if Rush did the same and man up

Limbaugh said, on the air, that the thesis claim/quotation may not be legit.

Then he added, sarcastically, wot the hell, none of the “racist” quotes attributed to him were legit, either, but the MSM (meretriciously sodden media) went with them anyway.

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:45 am 174. Brian Balogh:

#122 ETAB “David S – someone with your extensive background in philosophy and science”

Based on the links he plasters all over PJM, it looks like he has a much more extensive background in mopping. That’s the topic he oughta stick to.

Oct 25, 2009 - 10:57 am 175. Now and Then:

170. deguello:
Of guello . . . I think the best tip I can give is is perhaps the simplest tip: those buttony things on your keyboard? It matters which order you strike them.

Oct 25, 2009 - 3:59 pm 176. IdahoGal:

47. jharp: “And keep the teabagging to yourselves.”

Again, a leftist who loves gays, uses a gay slur to slime those he hates. It’s just so egalitarian of you!

Oct 25, 2009 - 4:05 pm 177. deguello:

Now and Then: Turnabout is fair play: Here’s a tip for you: those little pills called penicillin,take them!If you don’t, the spyrochetes will multiply inside your brain,and make your posts even more grotesque. .

Oct 26, 2009 - 6:13 am 178. Now and Then:

177. deguello:

I’ll take that advice, Of Guello. Now, about your earlier post where you said the Jews were nothing more than the beneficiaries of a guilty West. I have to take exception to that. I think you will find that we have been not beneficiaries but victims. If you study your history you will discover this to be true. Don’t fall into the trap that so many conservatives fall into – giving lip service to Israel while at the same time disrespecting our story and challenges. “Beneficiaries of a guilty West?” Shameful.

Oct 26, 2009 - 7:40 am 179. deguello:

NOW&THEN Actually, I have never said that, all sarcasm aside, I think you are confusing me with someone else.I happen to agree with you that Jews have been victimized horribly for years.That’s why I support Israel’s right to exist(and why Obama doesn’t).

Oct 26, 2009 - 9:04 am 180. paul_unalaska:

The cries of ‘racist’ is so mundane in this day and age.

If anything, politicians gaffes and infinite aloofness, ignorance regarding race is the true mop handle in the spokes of moving beyond the simpleness of race.

Kerry claiming Obama would be a better negotiator for Mideast peace due to his being a black man. Not enough time for this gaffetastic, ahem, ‘vet’.

Jesse Jackson calling Obama a half breed. Wow, what a ‘Reverend’. Then again, MLK didn’t like him either.

Eric Holder calling the American public a nation of cowards regarding race discussions. Comments like that set the victimhood mentality firmly in place again.

Jimmy Carter during the ‘08 election calling Obama a black boy, but little/no backlash. Hmm.

Lines will always be drawn when even our own Government encourages and in many instances funds the National Black, Hispanic, Asian, etc., Police Associations.

The Black Caucus, Amnesty International, La Raza, PUEBLO, the list goes on and on.

I couldn’t imagine the backlash, rightly so, in having a ‘White Police Officers Association’, ‘White Caucus’ or monies going towards white supremacist organizations.

Instead, these organizations in place attempt to speak of its ‘diversity’. How?! We’ve all seen this ‘diversity’ in many neighborhoods.

No, as long as our Government praises division and later, on record abhors such reaction.. it’s a 2-edged sword..

Many posters wish to give more control to these leeches?

Oct 26, 2009 - 9:17 am 181. Now and Then:

179. deguello:

Yeah, you said it. You know you said it. Now you’re backpedaling. I’m not judging you on your opinion, Of Guello, though I completely disagree with it. I just think you and other conservatives should me more consistent in those opinions. Better to be wrong than to be a coward and wrong.

La’chaim.

Oct 26, 2009 - 10:12 am 182. deguello:

For the benefit of the rest of us,(and me) can you produce the quote in context? No sarcasm intended. I DO believe that Israel WAS a beneficiary of a guilty West that had done NOTHING to stop the Holocaust;however, I do not see how this is an anti semitic statement.If you think it is, then let’s discuss it.Maybe that’s what you saw.

Oct 26, 2009 - 10:37 am 183. Now and Then:

182. deguello:
For the benefit of the rest of us,(and me) can you produce the quote in context? ”

here you go:

“I DO believe that Israel WAS a beneficiary of a guilty West . . . ”

Good enough for ya?

Oct 26, 2009 - 12:20 pm 184. Now and Then:

180. paul_unalaska:

“Jimmy Carter during the ‘08 election calling Obama a black boy, but little/no backlash. ”

That’s because JC was describing OBama as a child, not like Rush, who calls Obama the college student a boy.

Hmm.

Oct 26, 2009 - 12:22 pm 185. deguello:

#183NOW&THEN Good enough for me, but not not “good” enough to make me an anti semite.This is an ethically defensible,historically non-controversial statement.

Oct 26, 2009 - 1:48 pm

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