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		<title>By: Mace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you expect from a state controlled by Socialists????  Wait until the greenhouse gas legislation kicks in - most of the citizens will be on welfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you expect from a state controlled by Socialists????  Wait until the greenhouse gas legislation kicks in &#8211; most of the citizens will be on welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitehall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whitehall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McClintock is running for Congress from a district in the NE part of the state.  Fred Thompson is organizing fund raisers for him.

I was hoping the McClintock would run for Senate but Arnold has his eye on that job.

Besides, McClintock has a legislature background.  He was very impressive in the recall debates and would have been a more rigorous governor.

We really need him on the state budget fights!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McClintock is running for Congress from a district in the NE part of the state.  Fred Thompson is organizing fund raisers for him.</p>
<p>I was hoping the McClintock would run for Senate but Arnold has his eye on that job.</p>
<p>Besides, McClintock has a legislature background.  He was very impressive in the recall debates and would have been a more rigorous governor.</p>
<p>We really need him on the state budget fights!</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Gov. promised us that he was financially conservative and socially liberal.  What happened to the finacially conservative part?  I hope McClintock does decide to run.  He has my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gov. promised us that he was financially conservative and socially liberal.  What happened to the finacially conservative part?  I hope McClintock does decide to run.  He has my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerCalifornian</title>
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		<dc:creator>FormerCalifornian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be on welfare in California.  I had to live in California because the terms of my divorce forced me to do so.  I tried to work, but because I had to provide transportation for the kids to schools in my ex-husband&#039;s neighborhood, getting a day job was impossible.  If I could have afforded an illegal alien housekeeper and a reliable car, I could have gotten a decent job and been self supporting, but I was so broke that I could NOT get together enough money to put the pieces together.  When I finally got HUD housing benefits, it was a dream come true.  I had a really nice apartment for next to nothing, welfare, food stamps, free medical and dental, and no child care costs.  By that time, I had finished school, but the combination of severe mental depression and FEAR of giving up HUD housing by earning too much money made me nervous about getting a job at all.  I actually followed all the rules for all the benefits that I received, but I knew many who were cheating (renting out bedrooms, boyfriend living in, working under the table, etc.)  IMHO, the gov&#039;t needs to have a fraud squad, with rewards for informers, to police the HUD housing benefit.  If they started prosecuting the people who are cheating, the &quot;ineligible&quot; would give up their benefits, and the waiting list for HUD housing benefits would shrink (which would mean that HUD housing benefits would be available sooner for people who are going through a divorce, or whose house has burned down, etc.)  Where I am living now, I think the waiting list for HUD housing is about a month or two, so someone here could get a job, and if they got fired or downsized, they could go back to HUD housing.  Without fear of giving up a &quot;too good to be true&quot; gov&#039;t benefit, the decision-making process for single mothers and others would be a whole lot more straightforward.  

The single mothers I knew who lived on benefits definitely had a nicer lifestyle than those who worked.  For instance, on HUD housing, the size of your apartment is determined by your family size, and you could live in whatever neighborhood you wanted, while working mothers not eligible for HUD housing usually got the smallest possible apartment permissible, oftentimes with mother and child sharing a one-bedrooom, one bath, because the mother was paying the whole cost out of her own pocket.  I knew single mothers who were NOT trapped in California, and could have left for better opportunities in other states, but they would NOT leave because the welfare benefits made them so comfortable.  If the benefits had been time limited, a lot of these women would have moved.  There was no reason for them to live in high-cost California, as they were not working, and had no prospect of getting a good job at any point in the future.

Also, in So. Ca. when I lived there, before I became eligible for HUD housing, I tried to get a cheaper apartment, but there weren&#039;t really any.  In nice neighborhoods you had to have a good credit rating and tenant history to get a nice apartment.  In bad neighborhoods, you didn&#039;t need either, and once you were &quot;in&quot; you could break every zoning regulation under the sun.  For that reason, the nasty apartments in bad neighborhoods were only about 15% cheaper than the ones in nice neighborhoods and good school districts, even though they were smaller, older, and dirtier.  If it had not been for the endless stream of arriving illegals, the apartment rents would not have been so outrageous, and there would have been fewer people dependent upon HUD housing.

I must say that even I am somewhat shocked by AhCalifornia&#039;s tale of couples getting divorced in order to collect benefits while remaining in the work force.  I never saw anything that blatant.  I was surrounded by divorced women with young children, who received little or no child support and who were not employed (and usually had not completed college) at the time of the divorce.  When the judge ordered them to stay in the &quot;seven southern counties&quot; they simply didn&#039;t have any great options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be on welfare in California.  I had to live in California because the terms of my divorce forced me to do so.  I tried to work, but because I had to provide transportation for the kids to schools in my ex-husband&#8217;s neighborhood, getting a day job was impossible.  If I could have afforded an illegal alien housekeeper and a reliable car, I could have gotten a decent job and been self supporting, but I was so broke that I could NOT get together enough money to put the pieces together.  When I finally got HUD housing benefits, it was a dream come true.  I had a really nice apartment for next to nothing, welfare, food stamps, free medical and dental, and no child care costs.  By that time, I had finished school, but the combination of severe mental depression and FEAR of giving up HUD housing by earning too much money made me nervous about getting a job at all.  I actually followed all the rules for all the benefits that I received, but I knew many who were cheating (renting out bedrooms, boyfriend living in, working under the table, etc.)  IMHO, the gov&#8217;t needs to have a fraud squad, with rewards for informers, to police the HUD housing benefit.  If they started prosecuting the people who are cheating, the &#8220;ineligible&#8221; would give up their benefits, and the waiting list for HUD housing benefits would shrink (which would mean that HUD housing benefits would be available sooner for people who are going through a divorce, or whose house has burned down, etc.)  Where I am living now, I think the waiting list for HUD housing is about a month or two, so someone here could get a job, and if they got fired or downsized, they could go back to HUD housing.  Without fear of giving up a &#8220;too good to be true&#8221; gov&#8217;t benefit, the decision-making process for single mothers and others would be a whole lot more straightforward.  </p>
<p>The single mothers I knew who lived on benefits definitely had a nicer lifestyle than those who worked.  For instance, on HUD housing, the size of your apartment is determined by your family size, and you could live in whatever neighborhood you wanted, while working mothers not eligible for HUD housing usually got the smallest possible apartment permissible, oftentimes with mother and child sharing a one-bedrooom, one bath, because the mother was paying the whole cost out of her own pocket.  I knew single mothers who were NOT trapped in California, and could have left for better opportunities in other states, but they would NOT leave because the welfare benefits made them so comfortable.  If the benefits had been time limited, a lot of these women would have moved.  There was no reason for them to live in high-cost California, as they were not working, and had no prospect of getting a good job at any point in the future.</p>
<p>Also, in So. Ca. when I lived there, before I became eligible for HUD housing, I tried to get a cheaper apartment, but there weren&#8217;t really any.  In nice neighborhoods you had to have a good credit rating and tenant history to get a nice apartment.  In bad neighborhoods, you didn&#8217;t need either, and once you were &#8220;in&#8221; you could break every zoning regulation under the sun.  For that reason, the nasty apartments in bad neighborhoods were only about 15% cheaper than the ones in nice neighborhoods and good school districts, even though they were smaller, older, and dirtier.  If it had not been for the endless stream of arriving illegals, the apartment rents would not have been so outrageous, and there would have been fewer people dependent upon HUD housing.</p>
<p>I must say that even I am somewhat shocked by AhCalifornia&#8217;s tale of couples getting divorced in order to collect benefits while remaining in the work force.  I never saw anything that blatant.  I was surrounded by divorced women with young children, who received little or no child support and who were not employed (and usually had not completed college) at the time of the divorce.  When the judge ordered them to stay in the &#8220;seven southern counties&#8221; they simply didn&#8217;t have any great options.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Becker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this should tell us something, since California is the most liberal state in the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this should tell us something, since California is the most liberal state in the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: BizzyBlog &#187; California Draggin&#8217;: Its Basket-Case Economy and Bloated Welfare System Are Holding Back the US Economy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog &#187; California Draggin&#8217;: Its Basket-Case Economy and Bloated Welfare System Are Holding Back the US Economy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 12:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This was originally posted at Pajamas Media on Thursday under the title &#8220;California Draggin’: Golden State’s Economy Hurts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Blumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Blumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -- So when does McClintock declare for governor and hope that Feinstein isn&#039;t interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8212; So when does McClintock declare for governor and hope that Feinstein isn&#8217;t interested?</p>
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		<title>By: Boghie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boghie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

There was a time when California was rich.  A time when the Libs could almost legitimately claim that we should &#039;pay our fair share&#039; toward the poor and impoverished and all that - to include citizens of other countries.

That is why California adds to Federal benefits.

Kindof an odd death spiral.  Basically, the additional benefits increased the burden on those paying the bills while simultaneously - and temporarily - inflating the costs of basic necessities.

And, we were so rich that we could afford fuel reformulations that reduced smog pollutants by almost ½ of 1 percent.  Anyone remember Katrina.  One of the affects of Katrina was a summer without reformulated fuel.  Oh, the horrors.  That fuel reformulation increases our costs by about 0.30/gallon if I remember.  Taxes increase it over average by another large and growing chunk.

Now, the rich have moved, or are moving, to the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe.

But, the illiterate poor are still flooding in.

And, the Libs don’t see it

Caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>There was a time when California was rich.  A time when the Libs could almost legitimately claim that we should &#8216;pay our fair share&#8217; toward the poor and impoverished and all that &#8211; to include citizens of other countries.</p>
<p>That is why California adds to Federal benefits.</p>
<p>Kindof an odd death spiral.  Basically, the additional benefits increased the burden on those paying the bills while simultaneously &#8211; and temporarily &#8211; inflating the costs of basic necessities.</p>
<p>And, we were so rich that we could afford fuel reformulations that reduced smog pollutants by almost ½ of 1 percent.  Anyone remember Katrina.  One of the affects of Katrina was a summer without reformulated fuel.  Oh, the horrors.  That fuel reformulation increases our costs by about 0.30/gallon if I remember.  Taxes increase it over average by another large and growing chunk.</p>
<p>Now, the rich have moved, or are moving, to the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe.</p>
<p>But, the illiterate poor are still flooding in.</p>
<p>And, the Libs don’t see it</p>
<p>Caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom-&quot;So if it is indeed the case that large numbers of illegals are getting welfare benefits in Cali, it’s because Cali is not taking steps to prevent them from getting on the rolls that other states apparently are.&quot;

Uh...agreed, but welfare benefits are just ONE slice of the pie that Californians must &quot;foot the bill&quot; for illegal immigrants. Hospital/medical care paid by counties with state help, added education costs, added police and state correction facilty expenses, not to mention child health and nutrition programs not part of regular &quot;welfare rolls&quot;...

ALL these and more (including the one you mention about California supplementing federal welfare benefits with its own) contribute to the budget mess we find ourselves in. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong though. I&#039;m not blaming the illegal migrant for California&#039;s problems. I lay the blame squarely in Sacramento, with a healthly regard of indifference from Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom-&#8221;So if it is indeed the case that large numbers of illegals are getting welfare benefits in Cali, it’s because Cali is not taking steps to prevent them from getting on the rolls that other states apparently are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh&#8230;agreed, but welfare benefits are just ONE slice of the pie that Californians must &#8220;foot the bill&#8221; for illegal immigrants. Hospital/medical care paid by counties with state help, added education costs, added police and state correction facilty expenses, not to mention child health and nutrition programs not part of regular &#8220;welfare rolls&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>ALL these and more (including the one you mention about California supplementing federal welfare benefits with its own) contribute to the budget mess we find ourselves in. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong though. I&#8217;m not blaming the illegal migrant for California&#8217;s problems. I lay the blame squarely in Sacramento, with a healthly regard of indifference from Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Economic News &#171; Tai-Chi Policy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Economic News &#171; Tai-Chi Policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  The Fed sees the economy worsening. I wonder what would happen if they looked at the country disregarding California (why California? Because California hasn&#8217;t been reforming their welfare!). Glenn Reynolds is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  The Fed sees the economy worsening. I wonder what would happen if they looked at the country disregarding California (why California? Because California hasn&#8217;t been reforming their welfare!). Glenn Reynolds is [...]</p>
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