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1. vivo:

“The critics, as usual, look beyond his dubious techniques, wildly partisan potshots, and other gimmicks they wouldn’t swallow from any other documentary director.”

MM resorts to those techniques because that’s how many Americans pay attention. They have been brainwashed by the glitter of television fast-paced images to retain their ADD. But the messages are real and dramatic, one way to learn what the exploiters have to hide.

Oct 6, 2009 - 3:27 am 2. Brian:

Funny…. Capitalism has made Moore millions… I can’t believe anyone would support this moron by paying for a ticket to see his garbage.

Oct 6, 2009 - 3:57 am 3. ConservativeWanderer:

Since capitalism is bad, I guess I’ll be a good non-capitalist and not spend any money to purchase a ticket to Moore’s latest effort.

Oct 6, 2009 - 4:53 am 4. Old Soldier:

I’m no fan of Moore but, Capitalism is Alive and Well?

Capitalism (Economic Freedom) is under attack like never before in this country.

Oct 6, 2009 - 4:55 am 5. BackwardsBoy:

Moore bashes capitalism as “evil”, yet he wants us to pay him to see his movie?

Really?

Oct 6, 2009 - 5:07 am 6. Euler:

When I was younger I watched Bowling for Columbine with a friend who claimed it was insightful, touching all those fancy words that mean guilt trip.

I tried to be polite but my response was that watching his movie was like trying to read a map through a soda straw. I could see some facts as my narrow vision was whirled around but even more I noticed the arguments we didn’t visit and the places I was expected to take on faith when his grubby fingers pinched the straw closed.

Oct 6, 2009 - 5:10 am 7. macko:

I can’t see his picture or hear his name without thinking of walter from lucky numbers. He played a fat, sex doll loving crook and now …..

Oct 6, 2009 - 5:32 am 8. genghis:

More is a clown. He is nothing so much as an obese Borat who manipulates situations to extract a maximum of embarassment from his victims. It’s not terribly difficult to create situations that make the object appear silly, ignorant or inane. Mainly cheap shots to demonstrate how clever he is while laughing all the way to the bank. But that’s what libs do….cook the books, twist the truth, cut and paste or flat out lie to make their points, and demonize their opposition. Well, Michael’s latest opus appears to be floundering, while the flounder himself appears to be expanding. Good news on both fronts. As always, VIVO, we can always count on you to lay down the party line. Americans just aren’t as smart as you, eh comrade?

Oct 6, 2009 - 5:40 am 9. Jerry:

Quite right! Moore has no answers. Neither does Obama or Ayers or Wright, but THEY claim to have answers of the best sort. Beck (and Moore) see the problems, but intuitively know that they cannot suggest perfect solutions.

It is so human to “look to the leader” for solutions, but it is precisely wrong, wrong. All solutions no matter how sweeping are partial and temporary. Thus, causing harm to the current system, or worse, to individual people in the name of the CAUSE is a terrible and immoral act (Hitler, Stalin, Ahmadinejad). Whether it is rioting in the streets or pushing a bill through Congress that has not yet been written or discussed, such acts represent the true immorality of our times.

The truth is that small corrections to the system, done with watchful eyes, is the best way to correct anything, but this is too slow for people who want to see change “in our times.” These revolting people have far too short a horizon to be of positive value. Let’s all support “slow” or at least “piecemeal,” change, always with an eye to the past as well as the present. There is no absolute need to repeat stupid mistakes that have already entered oblivion.

Oct 6, 2009 - 5:58 am 10. Dave:

The malevolent tub makes millions off of the intellectually weak by making them feel comfortable in their own ignorance and failure. He gives them someone to blame. He is a cancer on our culture and provides nothing of real value.

That said, he is the poster child of today’s Democratic party.

Oct 6, 2009 - 6:15 am 11. Political Observer:

I wish we would stop referring to Moore as a “documentary” film maker or his output as “documentaries”. Moore is a propagandist pure and simple and the movies he makes are nothing more than propaganda. The fact that he does this for a political point of view rather than the government still does not alter the fact that what he is producing is political propaganda. Giving him the designation of making documentary films lends some level of credibility to what is nothing more than crude, unadulterated propaganda.

Oct 6, 2009 - 6:36 am 12. HandsOffAmerica.net:

This guys say-one-thing-do-another is a joke. I wish he would go away but then who would we laugh at.

Sign up at http://www.handsoffamerica.net to join others in the laughter.

Oct 6, 2009 - 7:00 am 13. Cybergeezer:

Michael Moore; Riding the wave of ignorance and guilt straight to the bank.
But, HE IS NOT A CAPITALIST! (looks like a turd, smells like a turd, etc.)

Oct 6, 2009 - 7:49 am 14. Now and Then:

Here’s a rather stark difference between liberals and conservatives – liberals actually watch the movie before judging it.

Oct 6, 2009 - 7:52 am 15. keithacita:

not to appear like a hypocrite mr. moore has turned over all his private property to the castro brothers. their new direct deposit program for rich anti-capitalist elitists is a big hit on both coasts.

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:02 am 16. twolaneflash:

I’m amazed that there are enough mentally desperate people in America to shell out $5 million, devote 2 hours to the equivalent of a Ren & Stimpy episode, and are able to eat popcorn while looking at Michael “Monstrous Mass” Moore on the big screen. Simply. Amazing.

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:03 am 17. David S:

Capitalism alive and well? That’s a good one. Pull the other?

Peace.

DS

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:09 am 18. Poor Citizen:

There are a couple of amazing things in my life. One, me and Michael Moore essentially grew up in the same part of his homestate and two, I have never even bothered to see any of his films. On the social side though I think some of his films, of what I have seen and heard are quite thought provoking. However, he seems filled with tremendous dislike that borders on hate…which works at first, but after awhile gives you the same kind of chili every time so a certain kind of blandness evolves. Also, I do have some respect for businessmen and women and some right wing ideas. So he and I do not share the same political views.

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:18 am 19. Gracie:

The very fact that Moore made his movies, got them distributed, made million $$$, is a testament to the fact that the eviiiiiilllll dreaded CAPITALISM is alive and working well, even for him.

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:21 am 20. Michael:

Capitalism is on its last legs. The government is doing all it can to strangle it. Then the new age of “from each according to his abilities, to each according to their need”.

Government can’t wait to tell their subjects where to go, what to do and what to buy. All this while they live like Gore, Castro, Stalin. Just more “do as I command and don’t expect what I get.”

Moore does high school level videos based on Saturday Night Live. (and not even the good years) It is just a full length “Punked” but more mean spirited.

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:40 am 21. Steveoh:

At least Kyle Smith of the NY Post panned it as propaganda. Kudos to him.

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:52 am 22. akguy:

Moore is noting but an A$$ Hat and a Clown Shoe

Oct 6, 2009 - 8:57 am 23. Peter the Bubblehead:

I don’t know. I think Moore was pretty good in that movie that came out last year, “An American Carol.”

/sarc off

Oct 6, 2009 - 9:20 am 24. Ken Besig:

Michael Moore acts like a buffoon, and yet there is something noble in his message, however offensive that message is. There is a problem with the distribution of wealth in America and the rest of the world. In fact up to 80% of the world’s wealth is held by a few thousand individuals, who live like modern day kings and tsars, while the vast majority of Americans and the rest of humanity have to scrape by on what little this mega wealthy leave as crumbs on the table. Mr. Moore and Mr. Obama have the best of intentions in their attempts to make us aware of and rectify this imbalance, but as we all know, the road to hell is in fact paved with such good intentions.
How does a government redistribute the wealth of a nation so that the majority of it’s population enjoys the benefits of a decent income? Or how does a population peacefully do the same? Mr. Obama is trying to impose this redistribution by legislating universal health care to be financed by America’s mega wealthy and by all accounts he will probably fail, after all, these people know how to hold onto their money, even if they know nothing else. Mr. Moore of course has no plan whatsoever for either redistributing the wealth or destroying capitalism either, he is a blowhard with a bully pulpit. The problem is that both Mr. Obama and Mr. Moore have hit on a problem which vexes far too many hard working Americans and other Westerneers who are unable to improve their financial positions no matter how hard they work. This is why these two, Obama and Moore, are so popular and effective. There has to be a peaceful and effective way to make America and the World’s wealth more available to a majority of the population, if not, the only answer, and a bad one at that will be armed revolution.

Oct 6, 2009 - 9:56 am 25. AThinkingPerson:

Re 14. Now and Then: “Here’s a rather stark difference between liberals and conservatives – liberals actually watch the movie before judging it.”

The “rather stark difference” my little misguided friend is simple…..taste. But at least now we know you’re one of the handful of people who did bother to shell out 10 bucks to see Michael Moore squeal.

Oct 6, 2009 - 9:57 am 26. Maurice:

Michael Moore is a big fat gob of goo and unfocused sophomoric rage and sadness. He is the lone kid sitting at home on a Saturday night, again, stuffing his hole with potato chips. Proof once again that the world is turned on its head when this idiot’s pedantic propaganda is actually reviewed in newspapers.

Oct 6, 2009 - 10:09 am 27. Brian:

“This is why these two, Obama and Moore, are so popular and effective.”

I wouldnt say making $5 million for an opening weekend of a movie shows that it is wildly popular… While I am shocked anyone showed up to watch it, that is hardly proves them popular…
I am sure MM thinks he is worth every dime he makes off his movies… In my mind he is overpaid, soon the IRS will show up to redistribute his wealth

“In fact up to 80% of the world’s wealth is held by a few thousand individuals, who live like modern day kings and tsars, while the vast majority of Americans and the rest of humanity have to scrape by on what little this mega wealthy”

And the great part about capitalism is that ANYONE can become one of these people… Bill Gate was born to an upper middle class family… The creater of UFC was hardly a rich man, as well as many of the clothing lines that spun off of that… one kid was working at a minimum wage job and now runs a company with revenue in the tens of millions… There are thousands of rags to riches stories in the US. The problem the left sees is that everyone isn’t successful…. well such is life, some children develop cancer at 10 years old as well… that is a bigger travesty in life than whether everyone is well off…
I apploud those that are successful.

Oct 6, 2009 - 10:20 am 28. Eddie:

The problem with hoping the market will correct Mr. Moore out of a job is that a film that draws a large percentage of a niche group will do just as well as a film that draws a standard percentage of everyone. In other words, all it takes for the next Michael Moore production to be a rousing success is for every rabid right-hating, blame the evil corporations fan to go see it.

Personally, I find him comical. He keep getting wealthier and wealthier, yet somehow manages to fill his life with hatred for the fewer and fewer individuals who have more than he does. He doesn’t see the inherent silliness in bemoaning the plight of America’s poor who possess, on average, 2-3 televisions, a cell phone, a personal computer, one or more video game consoles, an mp3 player, an automobile and can afford to eat out two or more times per week.

The presence of the superwealthy is a small price to pay for the prosperity that reaches into every segment of the population that the free system brings. Of course, Moore can only see that someone has more than he does… and embrace the bitterness of his pre-school-ish concept of “not fair!”

Oct 6, 2009 - 10:38 am 29. myth buster:

Besides that, the poor in America would be considered quite well to do in most places in the world. If you aren’t homeless or hungry, you can’t say you’re scraping by in the same sentence as you refer to the plight of those in the third world.

Oct 6, 2009 - 10:48 am 30. indy:

25. AThinkingPerson

You are such an incredibly thinking person that you have chosen that as your name huh? oh the irony.

let me point to you the irony.
#14 says that liberals do not judge the movie without seeing it. at that point his post is finished. notice how he doesn’t judge the movie one way or the other.
the your big brain comes in and spews ‘i guess you paid 10 bucks to see him squeel’
see the irony?
you don’t use your brain.
yet you label yourself as someone that does exactly that.

thank you for the good times, and easy mark.

Oct 6, 2009 - 10:56 am 31. carla:

Mr. Moore reminds me of one of those dancing hippos seen in Disney’s Fantasia. His ambush tactics are titillating but juvenile. College sophmore level humor. Those ‘brainwashed Americans’ referred to by VIVO area good deal shrewder then he gives him credit for. It is interesting that he considers himself above the average American, more discerning, wiser. Such a typical liberal attitude. That the Left has embraced Moore reflects their disdain for the rest of us. Moore is going to have problems maintaining his svelte body habitus after Obama starts penalizing the grossly obese with tax penalties and curtailed access to health care. Eat up, Michael, eat up.

Oct 6, 2009 - 11:05 am 32. Rick Greenville,SC:

Since MM is so against Capitalism, I eagerly wait to see what charities he will donate all his profits to. . .Now and Then- yes, libs may watch a movie all the way through, but they usually don’t learn anything for they enter with their minds already made up.When will you poor fools see the “o” for the failure he really is? I pity you. . . but not too much.

Oct 6, 2009 - 11:05 am 33. indy:

one last thing, because the irony/hypocrisy is hilarious.

31. carla
“It is interesting that he considers himself above the average American, more discerning, wiser. Such a typical liberal attitude.”

this is where i point to the other 90% of posts on this site proclaiming how dumb libs are.

32, claiming the right is the party of the open mind.
I ask how many people have seen this movie, and how many are judging it.

this place is hilarious.
and sad. but mostly hilarious.

Oct 6, 2009 - 11:13 am 34. KDW:

#14 Now and Then:
“Here’s a rather stark difference between liberals and
conservatives – liberals actually watch the movie before
judging it.”

Really? Just like liberal politicians actually read a piece
of legislation before voting in favor of it?

Oct 6, 2009 - 11:33 am 35. carla:

Indy:

please join me in shipping mr. Moore twelve dozen Twinkys, and 25 poinds of pork rinds.

Oct 6, 2009 - 11:45 am 36. Boyd:

#14 – “liberals actually watch the movie before judging it.”

I don’t need a sip of arsenic to know what it is and does. Mr. Moore’s views are well known since he claims and promotes them himself – and makes millions doing it. So who is the fool here, those that buy his blatant hypocrisy or those who avoid it?

Oct 6, 2009 - 12:02 pm 37. indy:

carla:
please admit your hypocrisy, then send me the money and i’ll get the twinkies right to him.
wait, why are we trying to keep him fat again? i missed your ‘joke’

Oct 6, 2009 - 12:03 pm 38. Miked:

I understand that people are staying away from Moore’s movie in droves.

Oct 6, 2009 - 12:18 pm 39. carla:

Indy:

It’s funny how you guys toss out casual slurs with impunity. My hypocrisy? Hmmm. The usual leftie resort to ad hominem attacks…..no surprise. And the request for money…..you libs are always ready to do a good deed provided someone else finances it. And, for the record, Iddon’t believe that you are a hypocrite. I don’t think that you are up to it.

Oct 6, 2009 - 12:39 pm 40. Eowyn:

The elephant in the living room:

Mikey could NOT MAKE THE ZILLIONS HE HAS MADE WITHOUT A CAPITALIST FRAMEWORK IN PLACE.

Socialism? A cap on earnings. Joe Schmo Laborer gets the same income as Mr. Wonderful Corpulent Filmmaker.

Ugh. This kind of disconnect is too much for my organs to handle. Excuse me while I rush to the bathroom.

Oct 6, 2009 - 12:56 pm 41. indy:

Carla:
“you guys” you say.
I pointed directly at your hypocrisy. calling a carrot a carrot is not a slur my dear.

“request for money”, granted i left the door wide open on that one. do me favor, and tell everyone on unemployment that you don’t care for their liberal antics. wait what’s that? certainly it’s only liberals that are accepting unemployment correct? let the hypocrisy continue!

but wait, i still want to know about your joke. apparently you didn’t get it either?

Oct 6, 2009 - 1:20 pm 42. indy:

40. Eowyn

like you, I haven’t seen the film. But let’s pretend for a second that the film is a socialist propaganda piece.
(It’s not, I promise. Tho I have not seen it, I have heard him speak about it)
Now then, wouldn’t you find it suspect if he was in fact a minimum wage worker pushing a socialist agenda?
But he’s not. he’s a man with means. so this agenda would hurt him more than most.
I would think this fact at least would sit better with you. but in fact it makes your stomach turn, as you cannot understand a man with means who isn’t merely looking out for his own best interest.

this is telling.
as long as you got yours, screw everybody else.
amiright?

Oct 6, 2009 - 1:37 pm 43. sh:

“He’s a rabble-rouser, a populist, a muckraker…”

Ain’t that the definition of a liberal? Look at “Outlaw Journalist” H.S. Thompson and J.F Kerry. Who wrote their bios? Who’s Sean Penn’s good pal and trusted historian?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBq_N1b_3y4

Oct 6, 2009 - 2:00 pm 44. EdSki:

I thought we already saw the right’s version of shock documentarians? They’re in the process of providing answers, like taking down ACORN.

Oct 6, 2009 - 2:01 pm 45. Michaeal:

indy, you are being judged by the company you keep. Kind of like Obama and Ayers and Wright and, well you get the idea.

If you walk like a lib and talk like a lib you are probably a lib. Libs have a world view at complete odds with conservatives. That is why you can love movies by Michael Moore and think he is a genius. That is why you guys hate George Bush and Ronald Reagan. That is why you love Obama.

You hate everything that America has been for the last few hundred years while conservatives extol its virtues.

I actually apologize if I am misrepresenting you but that is the company you are keeping with the libs that post here. It took several months to realize that those you are keeping company with will hate everything I hold sacred and love everything I see as twisted.

I hope you enjoy your life but I am not going to be a socialist along with you.

Oct 6, 2009 - 2:31 pm 46. carla:

Ah, INDY:

The unemployed. Who will employ them? Have you studied the stimulus package? Do you see any relief there over the next 12 to 18 months? Are you counting on all of those green jobs? I don’t suppose that you have any experience in the business world. I don’t suppose taht you actually run a business. I figure that you are employee material. 9 to 5. Have you ever paid for somebody elses healthcare? Disability? Sick leave? Or are you just a taker, give me my check and adios, bro? Is your special talent ignored? Underpaid? Well, toke up and tune out, bro. I figure you’re just a gimmee. Oh, yes, you are the joke.

Oct 6, 2009 - 2:33 pm 47. indy:

A muckraker is an individual who seeks to expose or reveal corruption of businesses or government to the public. The term originates from writers of the Progressive movement in America who wanted to expose corruption and scandals in government and business. Muckrakers often wrote about the wretchedness of urban life and poverty, and against the established institutions of society, such as big business. They were often accused of being socialists or communists.

Oct 6, 2009 - 2:34 pm 48. indy:

that last post got away from me, I guess i hit enter too early.

meant to post this too.

pop·u·list (ppy-lst)
n.
1. A supporter of the rights and power of the people.

Main Entry: rab·ble–rous·er
Pronunciation: \ˈra-bəl-ˌrau̇-zər\
Function: noun
Date: 1843

: one that stirs up

man, from where i’m sitting all those could be considered good things, if used for good.
and i’m sure he assumes he’s using them for good, wouldn’t you?

will you hate a muslim for being muslim? why hate a lib for being a lib?

(the answer: you are probably simple)

Oct 6, 2009 - 2:37 pm 49. drprocto:

Indy

Mr. Moore is a regular. Perhaps you should consider a free evaluation. You fit the template. Just say the word.

Oct 6, 2009 - 2:39 pm 50. Michael:

The government does not equal the people. Be a populist and demand power back from the government, not more power to the government.

Oct 6, 2009 - 3:58 pm 51. steveg:

Forbes has Castro listed on their 400 most wealthy list with a net worth of over a $1,000,000,000 dollars. Who knew being a commie was so rewarding?

Just ask Moore, and all his Hollywood buddies.

Oct 6, 2009 - 4:50 pm 52. rance:

indy,

You say that the muckrakers were progressives. Obviously,
you don’t realize that the progressives were typically eugenicists. The American eugenics movement was the template for Adolf Hitler. After people in this country found out what Hitler was doing with their ideas, the progressives changed their title to liberals. (And Margaret Sanger changed the name of her organization to Planned Parenthood.)

Obama’s science czar is a eugenicist and Obama loves Planned Parenthood.

You, indy, are a progressive(liberal) in that fine tradition.

Oh, some progressives also became enviromentalists.

You should study a little history. You might see what kind of company you’re keeping.

Nah, you’re far too stupid.

Oct 6, 2009 - 5:52 pm 53. Now and Then:

34. KDW:
“Just like liberal politicians actually read a piece of legislation before voting in favor of it?”

And conservative politicians who vote against it without reading it?

Oct 6, 2009 - 6:04 pm 54. vivo:

8. genghis:

“we can always count on you to lay down the party line. Americans just aren’t as smart as you, eh comrade?”

31. carla:

“Those ‘brainwashed Americans’ referred to by VIVO area good deal shrewder then he gives him credit for. It is interesting that he considers himself above the average American, more discerning, wiser. Such a typical liberal attitude. That the Left has embraced Moore reflects their disdain for the rest of us.”

There is no doubt that there are smart Americans, and smarter than me. There is no doubt that M Moore is a capitalist. But there are several kinds os Capitalism.

“Capitalism typically refers to an economic and social system in which the means of production (also known as capital) are privately controlled; labor, goods and capital are traded in a market; profits are distributed to owners or invested in new technologies and industries; and wages are paid to labor.

Capitalism is based on the premises of laissez faire, where private individuals are free to exchange goods or services without intervention from the State, hence the term “free market.”

The extent to which different markets are free, as well as rules determining what may and may not be private property, is a matter of politics and policy and many states have what are termed “mixed economies.” Mixed economies refer to capitalism being mixed with central planning or statism, with statism being the ideological opposite of capitalism.

Scholars in the social sciences, including historians, economic sociologists, economists, anthropologists and philosophers have debated over how to define capitalism, however there is little controversy that private ownership of the means of production, creation of goods or services for profit in a market, paid employment, and prices and wages set according to market supply and demand, are elements of capitalism”

Moore refers to this type of Capitalism:

““Capitalism” opens with heart-rending foreclosure scenes. A young black man watches as his lifelong home is boarded up. A white woman sobs as a short-sleeved sheriff appears with an eviction notice.

‘Mostly Taking’

“This is capitalism,” says the Moore voiceover, “a system of taking and giving, mostly taking.” ”

“Moore eagerly counts the ways. He lays out the “Dead Peasants” insurance loophole by which a corporation can take out policies on their rank-and-file workers and, when they die, reap millions in tax-free payouts.

To support his position that airlines are risking catastrophe by underpaying their pilots, he excerpts the Congressional testimony of Hudson River hero Chesley Sullenberger, who notes that his pay had been cut 40% and he lost his pension.

In an episode that might have come from a Dickens novel, Moore tells of two Pa. judges who shut down a state-run detention center and sentenced children, some for the most minor of infractions, to a facility run by a private company that kicked back millions to the judges.”

The principles of Capitalism have been accepted, but many of its players are taking too much advantage. That’s why we need good laws and enforcement.

Oct 6, 2009 - 6:12 pm 55. Delia:

Right up there with Gore the Bore.

Both have GINORMOUS carbon footprints.

pfft!

Oct 6, 2009 - 6:12 pm 56. Now and Then:

Michael Moore just SCHOOLED Hannity. Left the Seanster spinning in a tight circle of mindless repetition . . . “goods and services people want, need or desire . . . goods and services people want, need or desire . . . goods and services people want, need or desire”

This is why Palin is too scared to talk to anyone.

Oct 6, 2009 - 6:46 pm 57. Brian:

If someone calls a vote for something you havent read… the right decision is to vote against, OBVIOUSLY.

Oct 6, 2009 - 6:48 pm 58. Now and Then:

57 Brian:

Obviously:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/27/inhofe-ill-vote-against-r_n_270636.html

Why do you defend these clowns?

Oct 6, 2009 - 7:08 pm 59. Brian:

LMAO!Mr Moore has 4.4 million on a movie to complain about capitalism.Once again LMFAO!Yes im laughing at all you morons who actually shelled out money for this guy…at thats coming from someone who makes less than 30k a year!
On a side note Lefties hows your AL gore theories happening?Mother Earth is saying screw you clowns.Weather on this world happens in cycles you buffoons or havent you all figured that out by now?However it cant be good with the developing world churning out coal factories like theres no tommorrow.

Oct 6, 2009 - 7:19 pm 60. Barefoot Doctor:

“Sons of Anarchy” is on tonight.

Oct 6, 2009 - 7:28 pm 61. hesafool:

Capitalism is bad says Michael Moore?
Well, Capitalism has made him the Rich Fat Fu#% that he is today!
Without Capitalism; Moore would just be a Fat Fu#%

Oct 6, 2009 - 7:57 pm 62. Now and Then:

59. Brian:
“Weather on this world happens in cycles you buffoons or havent you all figured that out by now?”

Well. what can I say, you convinced me, Brian. In fact, I think you’re clearly the man to go to Copenhagen and refute the claims of all those buffoonish PhDs. I’m sure they’ll be impressed with your “everyman” salary and will immediately change their thinking. Off you go, now. Of course, a plane ticket will cost you about $3,300. Perhaps some charity from your global cooling cohorts here at PJM will set you up. Here, let me help . . .

People? People! Brian here has taken it upon himself to educate the world’s scientists in Copenhagen. Unfortunately, he’s a little light. So, you know what that means . . . it’s community generosity time. Here’s the deal. I give you a little grape juice and a Wheat Thin, you give me money. Then I’ll do the Christian thing and send Brian to Denmark to look out for us “REAL” Americans.

Oct 6, 2009 - 10:17 pm 63. carla:

VIVO/INDY

No kidding? Wow. Isn’t Wikepedia something?

You guys are just full of really nifty info us drones never even dreamed of. I guess that is why you should lead us. Nevertheless, I must ask; have either of you ever started up/built/run a business enterprise? Provided salaries for employees? Health benefits? Disablity insurance? A pension plan? Bonuses, incetives, stock options? Anything at all? Or are you 9 to 5′ers who like to bitch and moan, feel entitled, make sure you use up all of your sick days, and enjoy internet porn during working hours? See, guys, regurgitating a little bit of economic history might impress your friends at junior college, but we’re all grown-ups here, or at leat I thought so.

Oct 7, 2009 - 2:27 am 64. Brian:

58. That same article could have been written about the entire Democratic party when it came to cap and trade legislation. Who exactly was I defending? I don’t recall defending anyone. But neither party should be voting for anything they haven’t read.

Just your usual change the topic, N&T.

“In fact, I think you’re clearly the man to go to Copenhagen and refute the claims of all those buffoonish PhDs”

I suppose you ignore all those guys with PHD’s who refute man made global warming huh? Those scientists shouldnt be heard in your mind… Trust the UN right?

Moore wanted to highlight the poor worker that was being taken advantage of by the evil citibank… The bank which loaned him the money to purchase his home because he didn’t have the cash. I am sure the day the guy got the check it wasn’t an evil company. Obviously the guy was a high risk loan, in other words a bad investment for the bank, as such the terms for the loan would be less ideal. Perhaps the guy should have stayed in school, worked on improving his credit score so as to be viewed as less of a risk. Only in MM’s mind is the guy a victim. He was unable to fullfill the terms of the note which he signed.
Even funnier is MM’s support for Obama, the guy who gave these evil banks billions in bailout money. Money which isn’t his, or an investors… it’s mine.
Perhaps he should have let that evil bank fold eh? I could support that.. that would have been allowing market to adjust itself, of course also would have put 100000 people out of work among other things.

Oct 7, 2009 - 4:15 am 65. vivo:

63. carla:

“I must ask; have either of you ever started up/built/run a business enterprise? Provided salaries for employees? Health benefits? Disablity(sic) insurance? A pension plan? Bonuses, incetives(sic), stock options? Anything at all? Or are you 9 to 5′ers who like to bitch and moan, feel entitled, make sure you use up all of your sick days, and enjoy internet porn during working hours?”

I live in my own tropical island bought with my royal inheritance, never worked in my life, travel all over the world just to spend in gourmet food, fine wines and exotic women. Thanks for asking.

Oct 7, 2009 - 5:59 am 66. indy:

63. carla:

“I must ask; have either of you ever started up/built/run a business enterprise? Provided salaries for employees? Health benefits? Disablity(sic) insurance? A pension plan? Bonuses, incetives(sic), stock options? Anything at all? Or are you 9 to 5′ers who like to bitch and moan, feel entitled, make sure you use up all of your sick days, and enjoy internet porn during working hours?”

dear working class,
Carla thinks your are scum,
dear GOP, this is the company you keep.
I would be embarrassed if i were you.

Oct 7, 2009 - 7:06 am 67. carla:

VIVA:

Living off of your daddy’s money, I presume. And on your own island to avoid paying your fair share of taxes. Typical liberal. Bottom line, you don’t contribute anything, either in your fanatasies or in your real life, such as it is.

Oct 7, 2009 - 7:10 am 68. indy:

hey carla, I don’t know you, and i don’t care to know you. You are obviously uppity and you think your sh!t doesn’t stink.

But it comes off really poorly when you use terms like ‘typical liberal’.
i got news for you ma’am, there is no such thing. just like there is no typical conservative. you need to get that through your thick skull.
the world isn’t black and white. only the simple minded think they live in a black and white world.
you need to slow down, and realize that the world would be a crummy place if everybody shared the same views on everything.
I know that would take a lot of courage from a self righteous person such as yourself, but it will do you a world of good.

Oct 7, 2009 - 7:31 am 69. Bernard Chapin:

Excellent review. I’m glad other conservatives are watching it. I don’t think i can bear to sit through any more malarkey from this idiot.

Oct 7, 2009 - 7:59 am 70. carla:

Hmmmm. Seemed to have struck a nerve, INDY. Uppity!! My, oh my. AI am mortified.

Oct 7, 2009 - 8:09 am 71. ginnie:

CARLA

INDY sounds like a typical liberal to me. And thin skinned. Whew, ‘uppity’. That must have really hurt. Well, it could’ve been worse. He might have called you a muckraker. To be perfectly honest, I can’t decide whether INDY is retarded or just uneducated.

Oct 7, 2009 - 8:28 am 72. bruce K:

Indy:

Don’t let these bitches get your goat. Just a couple of bored housewivies. Too much free time on their hands, living off of their old man. Trust the union label.

Oct 7, 2009 - 8:51 am 73. KDW:

#53 Now and Then:
“And conservative politicians who vote against it without
readin it?”

I am not aware of any conservative politician who has ever
said they voted for or against a piece of legislation without
reading it. We know there were a large number of Democrats
who voted for the stimulus bill without reading it. They
couldn’t possibly have read it – the way that monstrosity
of a bill was presented to Congress in the middle of
the night, the day of the vote, made reading it impossible.
Many Democrats have admitted it.

Can you fill us in on what legislation conservatives have
rammed thru congress without reading? Something specific.

Oct 7, 2009 - 9:09 am 74. MarkD:

I don’t need to have Ebola to know I’m against it. The next nickel Mr Moore earns from me will be the first.

Some people like to give their money away, and he’s happy to take it in a free and uncoerced exchange. That sounds like capitalism to me, but it must not be, or Mr Moore would be a phony, and we all know there is nobody commenting here dumb enough to fall for that.

Oct 7, 2009 - 11:10 am 75. Michael:

Uppity, Bitches? Wow, how the level of discourse has risen with the the contributions of BruceK and indy. House wives used as denegration, very impressive BruceK. You are truly the disciple of Michael Moore.

The world isn’t all black and white, however there are things that ARE black and white. Things that are morale imperatives. Things that are right and wrong, always.

Oct 7, 2009 - 12:12 pm 76. Cybergeezer:

Boy; The drivel we have to sort through before we get any good comments;
I’ll come back later when the parental controls kick in on these adolescents.

Oct 7, 2009 - 1:24 pm 77. Now and Then:

73. KDW:
“I am not aware of any conservative politician who has ever
said they voted for or against a piece of legislation without
reading it. ”

I’ll give you the same link I gave 57. Brian . . .
58. Now and Then:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/27/inhofe-ill-vote-against-r_n_270636.html

Now you’re aware.

Oct 7, 2009 - 6:45 pm 78. Now and Then:

73. KDW:

“Can you fill us in on what legislation conservatives have
rammed thru congress without reading? Something specific.’

The Patriot Act.

Now you know.

Oct 7, 2009 - 6:54 pm 79. James In Atlanta:

Michael Moore is a true pratriate! Michael encourages debate on issues that affect every person.

Thanks to people like Michael who exersize our free speach we see how mega corporations remove vast amounts of money from the US Citizens.

These mega corporations take our well paying jobs over seas, remove us from our homes and bankrupt us when we are sick and extort vast amounts of money for a quality education.

We need more people like Michael Moore to help the people of the USA to see how these greedy CEO;s destroy the American Dream.

James In Atlanta

Oct 7, 2009 - 8:34 pm 80. myth buster:

I have absolutely no problem with a Senator voting against a bill without reading it on the basis that it is 1000 pages long and too convoluted to understand. It’s quite reasonable to oppose such things on principle. If it’s so important, they should be able to write it in 100 pages in language that a high school graduate, or at least a college graduate, can understand with ease. Break it up into multiple bills if you can’t fit everything you need into 100 pages.

Oct 7, 2009 - 10:42 pm 81. Dwight:

Not having seen the movie, I will reserve judgment, but MM did liven up Hannity’s show. MM definitely won that confrontation on points. Hannity claimed that he goes to church all the time, but couldn’t remember anything about the last service. Probably Beck and Moore would have been a more even match, because Beck might have actually THOUGHT about Moore’s film and responded accordingly.

Since Colmes left the show, I rarely watch Hannity because it is such predictable stodgy stuff; anti-Obama all the time. I wouldn’t say that O’Reilly is exactly fair and balanced, but he’s a lot further down that road than Hannity is

Oct 8, 2009 - 12:47 am 82. vivo:

67. carla:

U believe anything!

76. Cybergeezer:

“Boy; The drivel we have to sort through ”

U got it right!

Oct 8, 2009 - 4:56 am 83. Spoonman:

73: “We know there were a large number of Democrats
who voted for the stimulus bill without reading it. They
couldn’t possibly have read it – the way that monstrosity
of a bill was presented to Congress in the middle of
the night, the day of the vote, made reading it impossible.”

The final bill was only about 1000 pages, not something that’s impossible to read in a night if you’re someone who regularly reads. That being said..the final incarnation of the bill was over 1000 pages…however, the original bill was about 600 and came to Congress over a week before. All one had to do was read the additions and changes as the week progressed. I was capable of reading the whole thing and keeping track of it, but then..I’m not an idiot.

80: “they should be able to write it in 100 pages in language that a high school graduate, or at least a college graduate, can understand with ease”

So, what color IS the sky in your little world? Seriously, who thinks this poorly? What is wrong with you?

And, to address the overall: Moore’s film isn’t about bashing capitalism in general, it’s about the specifics of how Wall Street stole billions of dollars from you and I and were then rewarded for it. Nobody’s against capitalism or free markets except “conservatives” who want to ensure only the largest sharks get to eat…and you clueless dimwits fall for it over and over again. They want redistribution of wealth (in an upward direction) and you dimwits fall for it.

Oct 8, 2009 - 7:11 am 84. Brian:

#83
“Nobody’s against capitalism or free markets except “conservatives” who want to ensure only the largest sharks get to eat…”

Which party just handed out billions of dollars to the “sharks”? Hint..I don’t think they were conservatives…

Oct 8, 2009 - 9:29 am 85. maxsmodels:

Moore reminds me of the evil version me. We are both fat, ugly guys from humble working class backgrounds. The difference is my oarents taught me about personal responsibility. I joined the army as teenager and was a verteran at 21. I worked my way through college and earned everydime I have ever made. I have worked for city, state and federal government as well as the private sector. So while he was busy making movies (I will not call them documentaries) that are 2 hour whinning sessions, I was out earning a living providing requires services.

He is a millionaire and I am a suburban workin’ stiff. How can he bring himself to complain about the very capitalist system that made him a millionaire. Oh yeah; he’s a raving hypocrite

Oct 8, 2009 - 4:47 pm 86. KDW:

#78 Now and Then:
“The Patriot Act. Now you know.”

No I don’t know. Fill us in, in your own words, how you
decided Republicans voted for The Patriot Act without
reading it. I’m not interested in reading some
goofball blogging on The Huffington Post. The Patriot
Act was given plenty of time for debate before being
voted on (it wasn’t presented to the Congress after
midnight on the day of the vote, like the Democrats
Stimulus Bill). There was never any complaint from
either side that they didn’t get enough time to
scrutinize the Patriot Act. What makes you think
nobody read it?

Please, show this site you have some idea of what you
are talking about?

Oct 8, 2009 - 7:43 pm 87. Peter the Bubblehead:

To KDW @ #86:

Stop confusing poor Now and Then with facts. You should know by now if it isn’t written in the Soros Talking Points he/she/it gets issued each week for posting on PJM, then it doesn’t really exist in his/her/it’s mind.

Oct 9, 2009 - 6:04 am 88. Now and Then:

86 KDW:
“There was never any complaint from either side that they didn’t get enough time to scrutinize the Patriot Act. ”

The bill was brought to the floor of the House of Representatives on October 23, the same day it was introduced. Many Democrats expressed extreme displeasure over the hurried nature of the process. Rep. Bobby Scott said, “I think it is appropriate to comment on the process by which the bill is coming to us. This is not the bill that was reported and deliberated on in the Committee on the Judiciary. It came to us late on the floor. No one has really had an opportunity to look at the bill to see what is in it since we have been out of our offices.” Rep. John Conyers, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, declared, “we are now debating at this hour of night, with only two copies of the bill that we are being asked to vote on available to Members on this side of the aisle.”

PS: The bill was NOT available to the public . . . I wonder why.

87 PtB . . . Let me help you out . . .

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact

Oct 9, 2009 - 7:07 am 89. arthur:

moore is a good film maker but he obviously has a POV but so does the nightly news. Well as far as American capitalism, one must include the reality of the system, including subsidies and lobbyist and all the other politics etc, there is no purity in life in this or any other system. one need not be a ideologue on any side to admit that the US economy is doing terrible, that things for the middle class have been going downhill through republican controll and democrat, the dowjones and DGP are not the only measures of an economy, the fundamental need is for jobs that can support a middle class life, and the current situation shows us that indeed capitalism is eating itself. if a company must outsource jobs to india to make a better profit meanwhile laying off American workers, we can see where this leads, but is anyone powerful enough and brave enough to actually do anything about it? to ignore the negative in our system is to invite disaster worse than we see today.

Oct 9, 2009 - 11:51 am

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