“i think all illegal immigrants should be deported!!!! i am a hispanic and it looks bad on me.I dont understand why people cant still be proud to be a Mexican American or any kind of American and still be spanish and proud of there race and be against illiegal immigration?”

That’s because you’re a good American. Those against you are not.

“You say you seek to conserve, but are selecting what you conserve and choosing your arguments to serve your fears, sir.”

I am seeking to preserve my country, sir.

“The immigration act of 1790 was the one penned by our founders. It said 2 years residency. Unfortunately, the grand “general principles” on which we were founded were lost in waves of xenophobia such as you promote.”

Opening wide the gates to anyone with no regard for the good of the country is not how our past great immigration waves was conducted.

“Seriously, you can’t bring yourself to see any relationship between the location of the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island? No relationship between plaque being placed on the statue in 1903 and Ellis Island seeing it’s maximum immigration peak around the same time? Have you tried squinting really hard?”

The association of which you speak came much later because so many immigrants saw the Statue first. Immigration at Ellis was strict and that last wave was followed by a moratorium for a reason. What you promote is the Balkanization of the country.

“Not a nation of immigrants? The Federal Park Service estimates that 100 million Americans can trace their ancestry through Ellis Island alone. Thats a 100 with six zero’s behind it.”

No more a “nation of immigrants” than any other nation.

“I think I’m done here. I am reminded again that the great and noble men of “general principles” are gone, replaced by legions of small men and full of fear and hatred. Alas, tis saddening.”

When the country is bankrupt and has become a corrupt “republic” like Mexico, we will know who to thank, sir. We have nothing culturally in common with them, yet our immigration policy is specifically slanted (since 1965) to prefer people from the 3rd world who will be welfare clients.

“P.S. You might want to read a bit of Locke, Voltaire, Hobbes, and Mason to get a better grasp on the founding of America. You might encounter another little affair of “general principle” called the French revolution along the way. With luck, you might even come to understand the republican politics surrounding the Statue of Liberty. So sad.”

You might want to understand the difference between principles and the interests of a sovereign power. Frankly, they’d have quite a lot to say about anyone who wanted to force his fellow citizens to change their country and pay for the privilege. They would call it tyranny, sir. When we become a “democracy” and have those 50 million more people from Marxist southern Mexico and associated others from less nice places voting in our elections, even your narrow business focus will take a hit – they will vote themselves YOUR money and property.

You say you seek to conserve, but are selecting what you conserve and choosing your arguments to serve your fears, sir.

“That was a general statement of principles.” A brash individual might say the Enlightenment produced more than a few “general statements of principles.” Indeed, the very principles for which our founders risked their lives and families so men could live in peace and seek happiness free of tyranny in the first nation founded on the concept of rights. Amazing.

The immigration act of 1790 was the one penned by our founders. It said 2 years residency. Unfortunately, the grand “general principles” on which we were founded were lost in waves of xenophobia such as you promote.

Seriously, you can’t bring yourself to see any relationship between the location of the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island? No relationship between plaque being placed on the statue in 1903 and Ellis Island seeing it’s maximum immigration peak around the same time? Have you tried squinting really hard?

Not a nation of immigrants? The Federal Park Service estimates that 100 million Americans can trace their ancestry through Ellis Island alone. Thats a 100 with six zero’s behind it.

You choose to ignore the lax requirements for the House of Representatives and focus on one job in a nation of millions, the Presidency. Illegals for President!

I think I’m done here. I am reminded again that the great and noble men of “general principles” are gone, replaced by legions of small men and full of fear and hatred. Alas, tis saddening.

Buenes tardes, Senior!

P.S. You might want to read a bit of Locke, Voltaire, Hobbes, and Mason to get a better grasp on the founding of America. You might encounter another little affair of “general principle” called the French revolution along the way. With luck, you might even come to understand the republican politics surrounding the Statue of Liberty. So sad.

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I’ve lived in border states. I currently do not. The obvious illegals are the Indians from southern Mexico here VERY FAR from the border and recent arrivals.

“This 1776 sentiment seems worth conserving: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.””

Our Founders were clear they created our country for their posterity, not for the whole world. That was a general statement of principals. It is in no way a statement that everyone in the world had a right to our country.

“By 1883 our immigrant traditions were celebrated in bronze: “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!””

We had quite strict immigration control during the last major wave. The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France expressing our shared history regarding our own liberty, not “immigration”. The “New Colossus” poem was attached to it in the 1900s. More to the point, the Founders would be disgusted at the idea of business “conservatives” forcing this on your fellow citizens and making us pay for it. Absolutely disgusted.

The Statue of Liberty had NOTHING to do with immigration. We have only as much an “immigrant tradition” as every other country. We are not a “nation of immigrants”.

If the Founders were as open as you suggest, why the restriction on the birthplace of a President? Why the early restrictions on alien – immigrant – ownership of property?

“See, I do in fact seek to conserve, and I think I’ve picked some good things to focus my efforts on. I’m wondering what others wish to conserve in regards to immigration? Hopefully it’s not just the word “white” from The National Immigration Act of 1790.”

Ah, there it is. Trying to assume a racial element your opponents. You can take that and bury it with your distorted view of our Revolution. Disgusting and, frankly, telling of your political persuasion. Profit margin vs lives, culture, and billions stolen from your fellow citizens. Disgusting.

“I don’t do business with obvious illegal aliens. It’s not all that hard to tell.”

Would you mind sharing with me how I can identify an illegal alien? Though I grew up in border states and have been living comfortably in Southern California since the ’80s, I am now beginning to realise I may be surrounded by the enemy who seek to ruin me and my beloved country. I need to know how to spot them!

I guess maybe I am a conservative after all. Here are some of the American ideals I’m trying to conserve:

This 1776 sentiment seems worth conserving: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

By 1790 we still equated “equal men” with “white” but we neverthess embraced immigration: “any alien, being a free white person who shall have resided within the limits of the United States for a term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof.”

We were fighting our most bloody war over, amongst other things, that “white” word in 1863: “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”

By 1883 our immigrant traditions were celebrated in bronze: “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

See, I do in fact seek to conserve, and I think I’ve picked some good things to focus my efforts on. I’m wondering what others wish to conserve in regards to immigration? Hopefully it’s not just the word “white” from The National Immigration Act of 1790.

“Jim: I am a free-market conservative, not a social or nationalist conservative. Remember us, the business side of the coalition we call “conservative?””

A “conservative” seeks to “conserve” something. If you do not see that commerce must not be at the expense of our security as a nation, you aren’t a “conservative”. When your profit margin is at my and every other citizen’s expense, that crosses a line. Business is FORCING us to subsidize their labor. That isn’t the free market. Those businesses aren’t having to compete fairly with other businesses for labor.

“Do you do no business with spanish speaking peoples of any kind? Truely? Do you check their citizenship papers? How can you be so that you do no business with illegals?”

I don’t do business with obvious illegal aliens. It’s not all that hard to tell. I certainly don’t hire them myself.

I don’t knowingly hire illegals either. Outside my family, I have absolutely idea whether anyone I see on the streets is legal or is guilty of a crime of any sort. That would include you and everybody else out there.

Do you do no business with spanish speaking peoples of any kind? Truely? Do you check their citizenship papers? How can you be so that you do no business with illegals?

“I remain shocked at the emotional reaction people exhibit in regards to immigration.”

Americans tend to like their country. They tend not to be expected to pay to support people who are stealing from them. Tend not to like criminal aliens forgiven of identity theft and fraud. They tend not to like businesses who expect me to pay for their profit margin. Tend not to like to see people killed by those who have no legal place here. They tend no to see a serious “War on Terror” when the 9/11 attack was perpetrated by ILLEGAL ALIENS (visa over-stayers). They tend to place the interests of their own country over their personal bottom line. They tend to really detest those who do. Americans – especially Conservatives – are NATIONALISTS.

We don’t have a shortage of workers in this country. We have a shortage of workers able to abuse the “welfare” and system to the extent an illegal can so they can pocket that lower paycheck. A surplus of “cheap” (to the employer, at least) labor reduces the push to automation, reducing our productivity.

In short, you really don’t understand “conservatism”, do you? What do you think that word means? What do you think we’re trying to conserve against the Balkanists who see nothing wrong with “press 2 for English”?

Oh, and I mow my own damn lawn. I don’t hire illegals. I’m not a criminal.