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		<title>By: Pajamas Media » Cheating Chinese Gymnasts Bring Out Anti-U.S. Bias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media » Cheating Chinese Gymnasts Bring Out Anti-U.S. Bias</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] there&#8217;s more at stake here than just cheating. As my colleague Josh Strawn points out, &#8220;communism breeds paranoia and creates an almost pathological need to lie and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: always right</title>
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		<dc:creator>always right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What attracted me to come over here was the Constitution, the experiment of a new form of government in America, the Founding Fathers’ believes that the Constitution is uniquely suited for a moral and religious Americans.  

“We The People” thus spoken, the right of individuals to pursuit happiness, and the resulting responsibilities for their own pursuit of happiness.  A reward system mostly based on the merits of each individual, not who he knows (relationship) and how old he is (time put in the system).  Not the watches, nor the houses, cars, ‘skyscapers’ etc.  Certainly not the artificial equalness (the Fairness so beloved by socialists, marxists)

Who advertises Chinese themselves are ready for INSTANT democracy?  We are talking about a people who go along with the chicoms and still denied Tiananmen Square ever happened.  Yes, I use chicom because the ruling government there calls themselves the communist party whether YOU like it or not.  Whether they try their new capitalist approach there is no denying the totalitarian (authoritarian, whatever) brutal regime.

&lt;b&gt;Chinese themselves&lt;/b&gt; rationalize that instant democracy is chaos and use that excuse to give the government their authorities.  Bringing up corruption in other countries and the “improved standard of living” argument have no bearing on the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What attracted me to come over here was the Constitution, the experiment of a new form of government in America, the Founding Fathers’ believes that the Constitution is uniquely suited for a moral and religious Americans.  </p>
<p>“We The People” thus spoken, the right of individuals to pursuit happiness, and the resulting responsibilities for their own pursuit of happiness.  A reward system mostly based on the merits of each individual, not who he knows (relationship) and how old he is (time put in the system).  Not the watches, nor the houses, cars, ‘skyscapers’ etc.  Certainly not the artificial equalness (the Fairness so beloved by socialists, marxists)</p>
<p>Who advertises Chinese themselves are ready for INSTANT democracy?  We are talking about a people who go along with the chicoms and still denied Tiananmen Square ever happened.  Yes, I use chicom because the ruling government there calls themselves the communist party whether YOU like it or not.  Whether they try their new capitalist approach there is no denying the totalitarian (authoritarian, whatever) brutal regime.</p>
<p><b>Chinese themselves</b> rationalize that instant democracy is chaos and use that excuse to give the government their authorities.  Bringing up corruption in other countries and the “improved standard of living” argument have no bearing on the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: always right</title>
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		<dc:creator>always right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ReCon USMC@Aug 22, 2008 - 7:34 pm

No surprise here.  Both are only interested in façades.  Both are rotten scary when you dig a little deeper.  And Obama can only wish that his administration has the same kind of authoritarian tight control over the population.

This should be a major focused ad buy for the RNC.  Obama thinks ‘infrastructures in Beijing’ is the attraction for business.  Not cheap labor (some could say slave-like), not high tax code (and in the process of getting higher, windfall anyone? ‘for a FAIR share’), not environmental nazis (regulations).

Still can’t believe more majority here think Obama has the better economic plan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ReCon USMC@Aug 22, 2008 &#8211; 7:34 pm</p>
<p>No surprise here.  Both are only interested in façades.  Both are rotten scary when you dig a little deeper.  And Obama can only wish that his administration has the same kind of authoritarian tight control over the population.</p>
<p>This should be a major focused ad buy for the RNC.  Obama thinks ‘infrastructures in Beijing’ is the attraction for business.  Not cheap labor (some could say slave-like), not high tax code (and in the process of getting higher, windfall anyone? ‘for a FAIR share’), not environmental nazis (regulations).</p>
<p>Still can’t believe more majority here think Obama has the better economic plan!</p>
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		<title>By: ReCon USMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReCon USMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can not made this up on what Obama said here in VA Yesterday . Frankly I was completely astounded  any man could be that shallow with a Harvard education .Silly me ! 
I heard the Videos 3 times on both these huge issues points below  . It was not a &quot;&quot; Gaff &quot;&quot; at all in his comments  .It is how he sees America and the world sadly .
Ladies and Gentleman this is a grown man with a child like highly delusional mind at best .
You may want to forward this too those that believe Obama is a Citizen of the world and understands Foreign Affairs .
We will fix that stupid thought now . 
Yesterday Obama here in VA made the most misinformed Moronic statement since President Jerald Ford said Russia didn&#039;t have Missiles . Huh ? 
Obama said China has a far better  &quot;Infrastructure &quot;than does America with their fast Trains , modern Ports , new Air Terminals and Super Highways .
{And } that will cause American Cos to move there ??? I swear he said it !!!
 
Earth to Obama . China has no Unions or worker rights  , Minimum wages , retirement funds ,  Vacation , Sick pay or pay or right to work laws . Much less Clean Air and environmental regulations . Most workers work 12-14  hours a days 6 days a week and made a $ 6-7 dollars a day in horrible conditions like no American has known since the 20&#039;s   .  
70 % of all small cites an Villages don&#039;t have any highways going to them , running water ,  heat and AC  ,  schools or Hospitals near bye  . 
Their Ports are managed by Dubai (not China )and most of the Major Manufacturing plants are in small towns not in Big cities since The Government is trying to keep people in the county side since the cites already have too many people in them with no jobs available  . China has to made 25 	Million new jobs each  year and inflation rates are triple America&#039;s . You are allowed one child per couple so killing baby girls is done often since families need male workers to help support families .907 million are hungry .
The Marxist State controls all of the above mentions ..Obama .
So that is what Obama wants for America as President ? Get him out of here  America !

Earth to Obama part 2 .. Later here in VA in CHESTERFIELD , OBAMA  also said Russia should leave Georgia but &#039;&quot;Who&quot; is America to tell any country not to invade another Nation ? 
 Russia invaded Georgia Barack H Obama ! Russia didn&#039;t go to the UN 3 Times like America did and three times before Congress as well with any grievances  . Not one . Where the hell were you ? At CHURCH .  
Georgia didn&#039;t brake 16 UN Violations like Saddam did or Fly planes into  the No Fly Zone and shoot at those American planes with Missiles and brake the Peace Treaty and regulations 321 times and not allow the UN inspectors to inspect his secret places  .  Georgia also didn&#039;t Murder , rape or steal all the citizens money like Saddam did while,he  lived in 121 palaces . 
Georgia is a model Democracy with a elected Congress ,  President and a friend to America .It also had 4,500 troops in Iraq supporting our Troops there . We Liberated Iraq and got rid of one of the worst Thugs in world history ...Obama ! Russia did no such thing in Georgia ...Oboma .
Too compare America and Russia on like ground is beyond Stupid and uniformed ......Get him out of here .
This would be funny if he were not so dangerous and could be our next President ..... or appeasement candy  for Russia , Iran and China . Since He sees America as the obvious problem and appeasement agreements with hostile proven long time enemies of Democracy and freedom Obama asposties  . One suspects much like lord Chamberlain did with Hitler .We know how that turned out , Putin is STALIN .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can not made this up on what Obama said here in VA Yesterday . Frankly I was completely astounded  any man could be that shallow with a Harvard education .Silly me !<br />
I heard the Videos 3 times on both these huge issues points below  . It was not a &#8220;&#8221; Gaff &#8220;&#8221; at all in his comments  .It is how he sees America and the world sadly .<br />
Ladies and Gentleman this is a grown man with a child like highly delusional mind at best .<br />
You may want to forward this too those that believe Obama is a Citizen of the world and understands Foreign Affairs .<br />
We will fix that stupid thought now .<br />
Yesterday Obama here in VA made the most misinformed Moronic statement since President Jerald Ford said Russia didn&#8217;t have Missiles . Huh ?<br />
Obama said China has a far better  &#8220;Infrastructure &#8220;than does America with their fast Trains , modern Ports , new Air Terminals and Super Highways .<br />
{And } that will cause American Cos to move there ??? I swear he said it !!!</p>
<p>Earth to Obama . China has no Unions or worker rights  , Minimum wages , retirement funds ,  Vacation , Sick pay or pay or right to work laws . Much less Clean Air and environmental regulations . Most workers work 12-14  hours a days 6 days a week and made a $ 6-7 dollars a day in horrible conditions like no American has known since the 20&#8217;s   .<br />
70 % of all small cites an Villages don&#8217;t have any highways going to them , running water ,  heat and AC  ,  schools or Hospitals near bye  .<br />
Their Ports are managed by Dubai (not China )and most of the Major Manufacturing plants are in small towns not in Big cities since The Government is trying to keep people in the county side since the cites already have too many people in them with no jobs available  . China has to made 25 	Million new jobs each  year and inflation rates are triple America&#8217;s . You are allowed one child per couple so killing baby girls is done often since families need male workers to help support families .907 million are hungry .<br />
The Marxist State controls all of the above mentions ..Obama .<br />
So that is what Obama wants for America as President ? Get him out of here  America !</p>
<p>Earth to Obama part 2 .. Later here in VA in CHESTERFIELD , OBAMA  also said Russia should leave Georgia but &#8216;&#8221;Who&#8221; is America to tell any country not to invade another Nation ?<br />
 Russia invaded Georgia Barack H Obama ! Russia didn&#8217;t go to the UN 3 Times like America did and three times before Congress as well with any grievances  . Not one . Where the hell were you ? At CHURCH .<br />
Georgia didn&#8217;t brake 16 UN Violations like Saddam did or Fly planes into  the No Fly Zone and shoot at those American planes with Missiles and brake the Peace Treaty and regulations 321 times and not allow the UN inspectors to inspect his secret places  .  Georgia also didn&#8217;t Murder , rape or steal all the citizens money like Saddam did while,he  lived in 121 palaces .<br />
Georgia is a model Democracy with a elected Congress ,  President and a friend to America .It also had 4,500 troops in Iraq supporting our Troops there . We Liberated Iraq and got rid of one of the worst Thugs in world history &#8230;Obama ! Russia did no such thing in Georgia &#8230;Oboma .<br />
Too compare America and Russia on like ground is beyond Stupid and uniformed &#8230;&#8230;Get him out of here .<br />
This would be funny if he were not so dangerous and could be our next President &#8230;.. or appeasement candy  for Russia , Iran and China . Since He sees America as the obvious problem and appeasement agreements with hostile proven long time enemies of Democracy and freedom Obama asposties  . One suspects much like lord Chamberlain did with Hitler .We know how that turned out , Putin is STALIN .</p>
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		<title>By: Merry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wahaha is right on this: anyone who cites the &quot;Chicoms&quot; (with one or two &quot;m&#039;s&quot;) doesn&#039;t know enough about China to comment on it.  I automatically ignore anyone using that term (or committing gross spelling errors on such important words as &quot;Tiananmen&quot;). 

I suspect that Yepyep is right about the immediate prospects for democracy in China; when I lived there, everyone from my neighbors to my taxi drivers told me that China wasn&#039;t ready for it.  Maybe someday... not yet.  The ROC does have a functioning democracy, but it has a fraction of the population, has not functioned for long, still has fistfights in the Legislative Yuan, and has massive problems with corruption from both major parties (most recently, from former President Chen Shui-bian, whom DPP loyalists have been claiming was falsely accused of corruption for years; last week he apologized for campaign finance fraud, in which his wife wired millions to a Swiss Bank Account).  There are still some kinks in the system, but both the ROC and South Korea are inspirational examples of what is possible.  I hope it happens for China, but I suspect it is going to be a while.  And I suspect that&#039;s probably okay.  When patriotic Chinese talk about how much their country has improved, they are often using a different standard of human rights - yeah, there&#039;s no free press yet, but the standard of living has improved drastically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wahaha is right on this: anyone who cites the &#8220;Chicoms&#8221; (with one or two &#8220;m&#8217;s&#8221;) doesn&#8217;t know enough about China to comment on it.  I automatically ignore anyone using that term (or committing gross spelling errors on such important words as &#8220;Tiananmen&#8221;). </p>
<p>I suspect that Yepyep is right about the immediate prospects for democracy in China; when I lived there, everyone from my neighbors to my taxi drivers told me that China wasn&#8217;t ready for it.  Maybe someday&#8230; not yet.  The ROC does have a functioning democracy, but it has a fraction of the population, has not functioned for long, still has fistfights in the Legislative Yuan, and has massive problems with corruption from both major parties (most recently, from former President Chen Shui-bian, whom DPP loyalists have been claiming was falsely accused of corruption for years; last week he apologized for campaign finance fraud, in which his wife wired millions to a Swiss Bank Account).  There are still some kinks in the system, but both the ROC and South Korea are inspirational examples of what is possible.  I hope it happens for China, but I suspect it is going to be a while.  And I suspect that&#8217;s probably okay.  When patriotic Chinese talk about how much their country has improved, they are often using a different standard of human rights &#8211; yeah, there&#8217;s no free press yet, but the standard of living has improved drastically.</p>
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		<title>By: Wahaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a student what joined the demonstration in 1989, I have to inform American people that We loved everything about America then, from watches, to houses, to skyscapers, to your political system.

What your medie is doing now is pushing Chinese away. Cuz of your propaganda machine, lot of Chinese dont trust America and West anymore.

There was a report that there are about 15,000 to 25,000 dissidents in China. If you multiply it by 50, it is not even 0.1% of the population in China; even you multiply it by 500, it is not even 1% of the population. get the picture, Mr. Shrawn ?

I know you hate communism, but you cant even find a chinese who care about communism. So, please dont push China and Russia hugging each other. That is not good for America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a student what joined the demonstration in 1989, I have to inform American people that We loved everything about America then, from watches, to houses, to skyscapers, to your political system.</p>
<p>What your medie is doing now is pushing Chinese away. Cuz of your propaganda machine, lot of Chinese dont trust America and West anymore.</p>
<p>There was a report that there are about 15,000 to 25,000 dissidents in China. If you multiply it by 50, it is not even 0.1% of the population in China; even you multiply it by 500, it is not even 1% of the population. get the picture, Mr. Shrawn ?</p>
<p>I know you hate communism, but you cant even find a chinese who care about communism. So, please dont push China and Russia hugging each other. That is not good for America.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I dunno, China seems to be impressing some people here in the West.  I believe that Barack Obama said yesterday that China has a great infrastructure. He seemed impressed.

But, seriously, I agree that a democratically elected Chinese government would not necessarily be an ally of the West.  What they perceive as their best interests may not coincide with ours. Russia did not exactly leap to join us in democracy after their empire went by the wayside, although many of their repressed former satellites have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I dunno, China seems to be impressing some people here in the West.  I believe that Barack Obama said yesterday that China has a great infrastructure. He seemed impressed.</p>
<p>But, seriously, I agree that a democratically elected Chinese government would not necessarily be an ally of the West.  What they perceive as their best interests may not coincide with ours. Russia did not exactly leap to join us in democracy after their empire went by the wayside, although many of their repressed former satellites have.</p>
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		<title>By: Wahaha</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carnagie report clearly claimed that the current government is no longer driven by idealism, it is a technocracy.

ChiComm this, chiCom that really sounds really extremely ignorant, as you know nothing about China. 

go read some reports by scholars and businessman who went to China, here is good one by British scholar : 

China&#039;s new intelligentsia

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10078

BTW, may I ask : did any of you try to search &quot;nonstandard&quot; opinions about China on internet, for at least 1 hour ? If not, then you are brainwashed.

What is the point of free information if you dont even try to listen to the other side of story ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carnagie report clearly claimed that the current government is no longer driven by idealism, it is a technocracy.</p>
<p>ChiComm this, chiCom that really sounds really extremely ignorant, as you know nothing about China. </p>
<p>go read some reports by scholars and businessman who went to China, here is good one by British scholar : </p>
<p>China&#8217;s new intelligentsia</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10078" rel="nofollow">http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10078</a></p>
<p>BTW, may I ask : did any of you try to search &#8220;nonstandard&#8221; opinions about China on internet, for at least 1 hour ? If not, then you are brainwashed.</p>
<p>What is the point of free information if you dont even try to listen to the other side of story ?</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, always right.  One would think that China&#039;s actions, especially with respect to something of such minor significance as olympic medals, would force many to rethink their ideas of how reasonable China is and how trustworthy they are.  I hope the lesson sinks in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, always right.  One would think that China&#8217;s actions, especially with respect to something of such minor significance as olympic medals, would force many to rethink their ideas of how reasonable China is and how trustworthy they are.  I hope the lesson sinks in.</p>
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		<title>By: always right</title>
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		<dc:creator>always right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>progressoverpeace@Aug 22, 2008 - 5:24 am
&lt;i&gt;...in blatant cheating that is so obvious it’s offensive that anyone would even attempt it. They insult our intelligence.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;So much for concepts of honor out there. Sheesh.&lt;/i&gt;

I think the spectacles from the past two weeks may not be a bad thing.  

It showed clearly to the world that China is not ready for the role of world’s 2nd superpower yet, even though they are bound and determined to do so.  To borrow a phrase from baseball “There is no &lt;strike&gt;crying&lt;/strike&gt;dishonor in winning.”

All those holding anti-American rhetoric may reconsider a bit, “Do we really want a ChiComm (and Russian-sphere) world police?”  We will see if they change their views in more acceptable “Americanism” (warts and all).

BTW, right now ChiComm is not interested in winning the world opinion over.  They still need to project their brand of superiority to boost the own population - their economic power translated in the process of building up militarily to world&#039;s 2nd power (if O elected, he may gut ours to world&#039;s 2nd).  

Yeah, the embarrassing performance in the Olympics (I don’t mean how many medals they won) makes us cringe, but they wouldn’t think it strange at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>progressoverpeace@Aug 22, 2008 &#8211; 5:24 am<br />
<i>&#8230;in blatant cheating that is so obvious it’s offensive that anyone would even attempt it. They insult our intelligence.</i></p>
<p><i>So much for concepts of honor out there. Sheesh.</i></p>
<p>I think the spectacles from the past two weeks may not be a bad thing.  </p>
<p>It showed clearly to the world that China is not ready for the role of world’s 2nd superpower yet, even though they are bound and determined to do so.  To borrow a phrase from baseball “There is no <strike>crying</strike>dishonor in winning.”</p>
<p>All those holding anti-American rhetoric may reconsider a bit, “Do we really want a ChiComm (and Russian-sphere) world police?”  We will see if they change their views in more acceptable “Americanism” (warts and all).</p>
<p>BTW, right now ChiComm is not interested in winning the world opinion over.  They still need to project their brand of superiority to boost the own population &#8211; their economic power translated in the process of building up militarily to world&#8217;s 2nd power (if O elected, he may gut ours to world&#8217;s 2nd).  </p>
<p>Yeah, the embarrassing performance in the Olympics (I don’t mean how many medals they won) makes us cringe, but they wouldn’t think it strange at all.</p>
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