153 Comments

1. robotech master:

The blogs only reflect the factual fear they feel… that being that how dare someone stand of and demand the constitution be enforced, that the central government is not all powerful, and that “the one’s” plans for totalitarian dictatorship through proxy may be rejected.

The simple fact that we all know and feel is that the US is a powder keg waiting for a match…everyone admits as such with this “discussions”.

The left is terrified that the great messiah will be unmasked before he can bring a leftist rapture to the world. They see the movements and actions against him and know deep down his days are numbers… its just a matter of will he have enough time to bring about utopia…

The right sees the left’s messiah and know he’s a fraud. They see his rush toward socialism and its many forms. They know his goal is a leftist utopia of Stalinist gulags or Hitler’s gas cambers. They also know like the left he has a good chance of bringing about a leftist rapture to “reward” his followers “properly”. They seek to block his rapture but aren’t sure how. They look to the founders and US history and see the simple fact that is well known throughout all the land… war is truly the only answer to fixing a real problem.

Each side has all but chosen side and a plan… even if they don’t know it as of yet. In the end much like when our country was formed… the simplest of actions will quickly spiral out of control and then you have open conflict. I find it laughable that ppl don’t think the US could go into civil war… we fought the brit over a tea tax… A TEA TAX. Think about that… high taxes… a government that wants to disarm the ppl.. yeah doesn’t sound anything like what happened during our run up to war with the brit.

Mar 13, 2009 - 11:43 pm 2. Herb:

Bob,
This post illuminates a lot of why the right wing is hemorrhaging support like someone with ebola.

Regardless of whether you generally agree with someone’s positions, once they start talking about seceding from the union they should be dismissed as a crank, NOT defended with “Well, he has a point.”

Forget the Revolutionary War. We all agree that the Founders were justified.

Do you remember the Civil War though? That settled a question too, not whether free men can revolt against a totalitarian government, but that STATES CANNOT SECEDE FROM THE UNION.

This is not difficult. Chuck Norris is a crank. He doesn’t have a point. And you should be embarrassed for defending him.

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:02 am 3. steel pipe:

The simple fact that we all know and feel is that the US good

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:14 am 4. PatriotUSA:

I think Bob Owen’s article has alot of merit, as does GLenn Beck and others who are standing up and speaking out about the radical tilt to the left that is endangering this country since Obuma took control on 1/20/09. Sure some of what Chuck Norris writes is a bit on the far side but it does detract from the bigger message that the policies trying to railroaded through by the left will cause severe and lasting damages to this country, legally, socially, economically, miltarily and morally.

And PLEASE do not bring out the it is all George Bush’s fault, because it is not. You can thank the dimwitted Carter Administration for starting us down the road to where we are now. There is plenty of blame to go around on all administarions since Carter. Those who are
“surprised” by the radical hard left turn this administration of corruption and greed is going, should not be. Obuma and his ilk made it clear what they would do once in office. His centrist babble was just that. Keep thinking that “This post illuminates a lot of why the right wing is hemorrhaging support like someone with ebola.” That is not what I am seeing and hearing from my LIBERAL friends, and I have many. Right now almost all of them regret voting for this poser who who is not fit or ready to be POTUS. To many of us HE WILL NEVER BE OUR PRESIDENT. The words of our founding fathers Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Madison are the strength and foundations of this country. Not some bloated leftists who want to usher in European style socialism and throw this country off a cliff into an entitlement based government that will crush many future generation with horrendous debt that will NEVER be paid off.

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:33 am 5. stuart Williamson:

If Herb thinks that the right wing is losing support he is seriously out of touch with the world. Norris is doing an overboard John Wayne impersonation but his is merely the Texas Constitutional Fundamentalist expression of a very positive and rapidly swelling flood of opposition to Obama’s overt demonstration of his intent to follow his Daddy’s dream of a Socialist Republic.

The GOP doesn’t have a hope of “nuancing” into defeating the Democrats on “issues”. But Axelrod and company are guanteeing a united Conservative anti-Obama rout in 2010.

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:36 am 6. Herb:

5. stuart Williamson: Out of touch with the world? Man…the right wing is losing support. They can seem to win an election, can’t seem to stop porkulous-style legislation (even with unanimous opposition), their leaders have virtually no support outside of their own little bubble.

Sorry, Stuart, if you admit that the right wing is losing support that doesn’t mean that you have to admit that the left is in ascendancy.

We need to face facts. And extremism like this “Chuck Norris is going to be president of Texas” crap is NOT impressing anyone but a very limited, very small, number of cranks.

As to this: “Texas Constitutional Fundamentalist expression of a very positive and rapidly swelling flood of opposition to Obama’s overt demonstration of his intent to follow his Daddy’s dream of a Socialist Republic.”

Please…it’s overheated rhetoric to call Obama’s agenda “socialist.” I hear this crap from the same people who complain about bailing out homeowners. But I’m wondering…what part of financing the private ownership of homes is socialist?!

Give me a break. You guys need to calm down, look in the mirror, stop denying the obvious, and come up with something better than “We’re gonna secede from the Union.”

That was tried. It failed. In today’s world, it’s not some noble expression of ideological virtue. It’s borderline seditious!

“But Axelrod and company are guanteeing a united Conservative anti-Obama rout in 2010.” Really? You mean to tell me that citizens of the Independent State of Texas is going to be voting in American elections? That’s not how it works, dude.

I mean, has anyone actually thought this through beyond the knee-jerk “Democrats are evil” nonsense?

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:15 am 7. Marc Malone:

I’m with Norris. I don’t think it unreasonable to contemplate another revolution. I also don’t think we can secede. It’s unworkable. No, the proper goal is to re-establish adherence to the Constitution.

We are close to not having a free Press. The Left has mostly taken it over. It is now a branch of the party in charge. Pravda. Our Speaker is outspoken about the “Fairness Doctrine”. Religion is being squeezed out of government. It is the only organization without a political voice. That’s just the First Article of the Bill of Rights. I could go on, but at some time, the excesses have to be stopped.

The government answers to us, not the other way ’round.

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:15 am 8. Yes We Did:

Give it up, you racist hatemongers, before you suffer the consequences of your seditious actions. President Obama rules this country now and the great majority of Americans loves and supports our new Leader. If push comes to shove, you will be crushed like insects.

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:21 am 9. Jason:

#2 Herb:

Did you miss these words:

Norris’ entire argument is that if our government becomes totalitarian, making us subjects instead of citizens, then the people have a natural right to “rise up,” a philosophy enshrined in the Declaration of Independence as a right existing in natural law. It was, after all, the justification for our own Revolutionary War.

The left-wing blogosphere preferred not to address the weightier issue of what constitutes a totalitarian government in Norris’ article.

Or to put it another way, what course of action would YOU propose the people take in the event of a takeover by totalitarian forces? It’s looks like you’re one of the people who, as Bob pointed out, ‘preferred not to address the weightier issue of what constitutes a totalitarian government in Norris’ article.

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:30 am 10. zap brannigan:

herb… if you think chuck is a crank for talking about secession then why dont you make the same comments about bill ayres and his wife who tried to ferment a revolution to overthrown the american government.

these leftards are now pin-up celebrities for the left fulfilling every lefties pornographic wet dream of being a gun totting revolutionary… che guvera style.

if only tim mcveigh was a left wing radical… he would now have his own fan club after receiving a pardon from clinton and no doubt be appointed to a cushy university job as a professor.

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:51 am 11. Toby:

States can secede from the Union. There’s no point in saying they can’t. Secession is in America’s blood – and not only from the Revolutionary War. Every immigrant who inculturates to America has seceded from his former Country.

If the Obama Presidency becomes a totalitarian state and the Constitution is trampled on, then people aren’t going to sit on their hands and say “ah, but the Civil War shows that we can’t secede from the Union”. They will do something about it.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:00 am 12. Herb:

9. Jason: “what course of action would YOU propose the people take in the event of a takeover by totalitarian forces?”

A fight, obviously. But we’re not being taken over by totalitarian forces.

Whatever your sympathies, it cannot be denied that Obama was elected via democratic processes. You may not like it, but that’s the truth.

Did you find the same argument persuasive when Michael Moore was making it about Bush? Of course not! Because on its face it’s ridiculous.

10. zap brannigan: “if you think chuck is a crank for talking about secession then why dont you make the same comments about bill ayres and his wife”

Okay, Ayers is an evil bastard who should be spending life in jail. What does that have to do with Chuck Norris and his secession fantasies? Absolutely nothing, but since you asked…

As for the “che guvera style” stuff you mentioned…I don’t think you’re very familiar with Che Guevara’s style. Where’s the guerrilla warfare? The show trials and mass executions? Oh yeah…that’s not happening. (And no, Jon Stewart being mean to Jim Cramer doesn’t count as “Che Guevara style.”)

Your hyperbole does not advance your case.

And this…”if only tim mcveigh was a left wing radical.” If only. If only Osama Bin Laden were a Christian…

But Tim McVeigh was a right wing radical.

And if he were alive today (instead of burning in hell as he should be) he no doubt would quite supportive of Chuck Norris and his lunatic fringe ideas.

Think. It doesn’t hurt if you have a brain.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:22 am 13. cherand:

Herb,

Texas is the only state to enter the U.S. By TREATY, instead of by
annexation. (This allows the Texas flag to fly at the same height as the US
flag and allows Texas to leave the U.S. At free will…)

Mar 14, 2009 - 3:07 am 14. joeblough:

Awe, don’t fret too much over the lefty hysterics.

In fact, it’s rather enjoyable.

At home with their buddies drinking beer, or yoghurt or whatever they do for fun, they’ll loudly admire Che Guevara and Castro and the rest of their red handed ilk.

But mention Patrick Henry, or the Swamp Fox or the Green Mountain Boys or even Thomas Jefferson and they go all girly and fretful.

They’re toxic alright.

But don’t fret. Enjoy their discomfort.

Mar 14, 2009 - 3:07 am 15. robert verdi:

here is an article written in 2007 that appeared in the Washington Post Calling for the succession of Vermont from the US government because of the United States was now and “empire”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/30/AR2007033002076.html

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:22 am 16. Darrell:

If you like Obama’s million straw-man debate technique, then this article is a must respond for the Quixote in you.

Tilt away!

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:32 am 17. SeniorD:

Herb,

Ad hominem attacks are the sign of a lazy intellect.

Believe it or not, there is a Texas Secessionist Party fielding a strong candidate for next years Gubernatorial contest.

Texans have a very strong Individualist mindset, something the Coastal Intellects vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard don’t comprehend.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:29 am 18. GDT:

Chuck Norris’ tears cure all known desieses. Unfortunately – Chuck Norris never cries.

GDT

Don’t get me started.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:30 am 19. Broadsword:

Herbi said: “…once they start talking about seceding from the union they should be dismissed as a crank…” Herb, shouldn’t you try to understand the ‘root causes’ of their dissatisfaction with the present Utopians? Isn’t it hateful of you to be so un-understanding? Does a diversity of viewpoints frighten you?

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:31 am 20. Bob Owens:

Broadsword,

I think you’ve hit the point I was trying to make quite nicely.

The simple fact of the matter is that most on the far left want a diversity of appearance but a monopoly on thought…sorta like Benetton run by the Klan.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:39 am 21. elvis:

It is interesting to note again that when conservatives show dissent then they are suddenly terrorists. Or at least they get to be called every name in the book. But it’s ok for people like James Carville to say in the national media that if Obama doesn’t win there will be riots in the streets.
How many of these brilliant lefties in the media said provocative things like this and were never challenged?
Where were wishy-washy people like Herb then? Why is the left allowed to do or say anything it wants?
Actually Norris is not a crank. He is saying exactly what the left has been saying since the 60’s.
(Only the left is allowed to talk this way according to Herb)
This is actually what really frightens the left. If the silent majority, the ones that actually make this country work do dissent, and take this country back, the left will be nothing but a faint memory
I do agree with Joe (#14). The leftards cannot handle real dissent, they cannot handle a debate, and they won’t be able to handle a fight.

Mar 14, 2009 - 6:02 am 22. Meryl:

12.Herb

No. Obama was not elected in a democratic process. He was elected by ACORN.

Mar 14, 2009 - 6:11 am 23. Herb:

13. cherand:
“…allows Texas to leave the U.S. At free will”

Um, no. Get your facts straight. Then we’ll talk. Until, why bother? GIGO.

“17. SeniorD:

…the Coastal Intellects vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard don’t comprehend.”

You mean like the Bush family?

Please… The “coastal elite” versus the “rugged heartland” meme is so played out.

What, you think Texans are more American than Martha’s Vineyard peeps? (Rolling my eyes)

“19. Broadsword:

shouldn’t you try to understand the ‘root causes’ of their dissatisfaction”

I do understand the dissatisfaction. A big-spending liberal won the election! To conservatives of conviction, that’s hard to swallow.

What I don’t understand is the response: “We’re seceding because of this totalitarian takeover.”

Dude, your side lost an election! That’s neither a “totalitarian takeover” nor a good reason to secede!

Next time, VOTE HARDER. Be more convincing. Pick a candidate that can win. Offer something besides the right-wing version of “If Bush wins, I’m moving to Canada” childishness.

On another note…to those who find some merit in this Chuck Norris nonsense, have you really thought about this?

Considering the difficulties managing a Southern border, have Texans of good conscience thought about managing a western, eastern and northern border?

Got your passports ready for your trip up to Oklahoma City?

What’s the exchange rate between the American dollar and the Texas Buck?

How many tanks, fighter jets, and aircraft carriers does the Texas Rangers have in their arsenal? Are they prepared to mount a national defense or are they going to ask the United States Marines to help them out if Mexico invades?

Will they have the Bill of Rights in their Constitution? Hope so…but there’s no guarantee.

Think this through, folks. I’m not asking, as Bob Owens suggests, for a monopoly on thought. I’m just asking for some thought.

Mar 14, 2009 - 6:31 am 24. David Thomson:

I live in Texas and very few people really want to secede from the United States. My guess is that they represent less than .0001% of the overall population. Many people willing to cast a vote for a secessionist party merely want to find an excuse to cast some sort of protest ballot.

Mar 14, 2009 - 6:43 am 25. ajacksonian:

Actually, in Federalist No. 26, Hamilton looks at exactly what to do when the federal government loses touch with the people, using the military as the prime worry, but the overall prescription applies to any attempt by the federal government to become authoritarian:

The legislature of the United States will be obliged by this provision, once at least in every two years, to deliberate upon the propriety of keeping a military force on foot; to come to a new resolution on the point; and to declare their sense of the matter by a formal vote in the face of their constituents. They are not at liberty to vest in the executive department permanent funds for the support of an army, if they were even incautious enough to be willing to repose in it so improper a confidence. As the spirit of party in different degrees must be expected to infect all political bodies there will be, no doubt, persons in the national legislature willing enough to arraign the measures and criminate the views of the majority. The provision for the support of a military force will always be a favorable topic for declamation. As often as the question comes forward, the public attention will be roused and attracted to the subject by the party in opposition; and if the majority should be really disposed to exceed the proper limits, the community will be warned of the danger, and will have an opportunity of taking measures to guard against it. Independent of parties in the national legislature itself, as often as the period of discussion arrived, the State legislatures, who will always be not only vigilant but suspicious and jealous guardians of the rights of the citizens against encroachments from the federal government, will constantly have their attention awake to the conduct of the national rulers, and will be ready enough, if any thing improper appears, to sound the alarm to the people, and not only to be the VOICE, but, if necessary, the ARM of their discontent.

Schemes to subvert the liberties of a great community require time to mature them for execution. An army, so large as seriously to menace those liberties, could only be formed by progressive augmentations; which would suppose not merely a temporary combination between the legislature and executive, but a continued conspiracy for a series of time. Is it probable that such a combination would exist at all? Is it probable that it would be persevered in, and transmitted along through all the successive variations in a representative body, which biennial elections would naturally produce in both houses? Is it presumable that every man the instant he took his seat in the national Senate or House of Representatives would commence a traitor to his constituents and to his country? Can it be supposed that there would not be found one man discerning enough to detect so atrocious a conspiracy, or bold or honest enough to apprise his constituents of their danger? If such presumptions can fairly be made, there ought at once to be an end of all delegated authority. The people should resolve to recall all the powers they have heretofore parted with out of their own hands, and to divide themselves into as many States as there are counties in order that they may be able to manage their own concerns in person.

Well, if the alarm is raised and those with connection via ideology try to shut down such alarm without explaining how well the system works so as to provide a voice to all of the people, then that is part of what Hamilton characterizes as a ‘conspiracy’. Not by conscious intent but by bein compliant with a system that alarms your fellow citizens. Do note that the prescription is *not* revolution, but to withdraw support from the federal government and re-start at the lowest level so that we may have the most diverse representation possible starting at the local level.

The move to centralize the affairs of the Nation have put more power into less skilled hands and have alienated 49% of the eligible population this last election to the point of not voting. What is elected in is *not* majority government nor even plurality government, but minority government. This has been going on since the mid-1960’s and the trend has been steadily downwards in the support of Americans for their election based system of representation to run a republic. That started with Teddy Roosevelt who was no conservative and disdained conservatives, went through Wilson and FDR, and then onwards with ‘big government’ becoming the de facto standard of the Left and Right in the post-war era. Americans have been steadily not supporting big government by not voting for it. For an election to have validity it must have more than bare majority turn-out as that does not yield even plurality based government. And everything done by *both* parties have not remedied this as *both* have invested more and more into fewer and fewer people who use the crony based system to retain power via cash-contracts and kick-backs.

That is not a prescription for nice, fair or even good government. And while elections may be knife-edge, the growing non-support of the process is now drowning out the election system in its silence. Well and indeed did this take time with many conspiring on all sides to invest more into government than it should have under a federal system of limited government powers. Barack Obama was the one to introduce a ‘reset’ as a term into the political lexicon and he may rue that day as we remember Hamilton and the Anti-Federalists who spoke out against the inherent flaws of the system as drafted in 1787. They are proving to be almost prescient from the bombastic Luther Martin to the staid and workmanlike Federal Farmer.

The discussion that was ended then is one that is now vital to keeping a Nation together as there is the growing sentiment that government no longer represents the interests of all the people. Winning an election is meaningless with such a large percentage not voting. That silence is one of absolute disdain for the pettiness of the system and those in it as they can offer nothing compelling to vote for. If either side ‘could’ it would have a landslide majority like no other in US history. That neither side can appeal to the non-voting population points out the vacuousness of the ideologies being presented. And that spells trouble for a Nation that is civil, and willing to fight to retain its liberty and freedom *from* overbearing government no matter what the personal cost for those are worth having no matter how poor nor how rich one is.

Failure must be an option for everyone, so that we can learn how to succeed.

Mar 14, 2009 - 6:53 am 26. HSA:

Only Texas can secede. That’s good enough for me.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:04 am 27. steeple:

Sedition looks to me like:

Bushitler

Code Pink rallying to evict the Marine recruiting office in Berkeley

Bush lied, millions died

There are several other, but I think this makes the point. To quote Mencken, “be careful what you ask for or you may get it good and hard.”

That’s what sedition looks like to me.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:34 am 28. SeniorD:

Herb#23,

I say again my last: Ad hominem attacks are the sign of a lazy intellect.

Yours must be comatose.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:50 am 29. Lynn B.:

# 8 “President Obama RULES (?) this country”? NO, HE DOES NOT!! I don’t have a KING!! The Constitution and Laws rule this country.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:56 am 30. marymcl:

Herb –
So far you seem to think you’re the only thinking adult in the room but your posts read like a college student having an ideological tantrum.

Google up ad hominem. Think. Comprehend. Reread everything. Think again.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:07 am 31. Herb:

28. SeniorD:

I don’t think you understand what “ad hominem” means. You must be thinking of some other aspect of my argument that you don’t like and calling it “ad hominem” because you heard that once and it sounded good. Now that’s a sign of a lazy intellect.

27. steeple:

To quote Glenn Reynolds, indeed. That’s why I don’t like this Obama is a socialist, tea party, secede or revolt crap. Extremist panting from either side should be resisted…not embraced and defended.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:10 am 32. iowahawk:

Odd. Just a few years ago secessionists were celebrated as patriotic by dKos.

“A Daily Kos poll in April, 2007, asked, ‘Should states be allowed to secede from the union peaceably?’ Sixty-nine percent of respondents answered in the affirmative.”

(From the lefty pro-secessionist Attack the System)

http://attackthesystem.com/2008/01/most-likely-to-secede/

More lefty secessionism:

http://www.vermontrepublic.org/

A few cranks? Note the endorsement by JK Galbraith and George Kennan; see adoring profiles in the Independent, Salon, etc.

How about the lefties who vowed to emigrate as a result of the 2000 and/or 2004 elections? Eddie Vedder, Alec Baldwin, Robert Altman, Cher, Pierre Salinger, Cher, Streisand, Lynn Redgrave…

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/leave.asp

Not to mention the various progressive troubadors who make a fat paycheck through calls all-out violent revolution: Public Enemy, Rage Against My Allowance, et al., whose musical oeuvre contains such snappy hits as “Bullet in the Head,” “F* Tha Police,” “Township Rebellion,” “How I Could Just Kill A Man.” Unlike their sad little skinhead intellectual soulmates playing to empty Idaho campgrounds, these lefty wannabee state-smashers get major label deals and armies of accountants to count the cash.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:27 am 33. savage24:

I never realized just how many left-wing nuts there are in this country. They have no use for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not exist for them. They would rather be subjects then citizens. Heaven help us from the “useful idiots”.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:31 am 34. Bill Perron:

HERB are you man enough to call Chuck Norris a “crank” to his face ? … Didn’t think so.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:44 am 35. Bill Perron:

By the way HERB, calling someone a “crank” is an ad hominem attack.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:53 am 36. one of my own:

7. Marc Malone: . . . “I’m with Norris. I don’t think it unreasonable to contemplate another revolution.”

Malvo, you’re missing something. We’re already having another revolution . . . America is seceding from Right-wing entitlement and religious fundamentalism . . . you’re just on the wrong side of it.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:07 am 37. fred:

My experience in the blog world and in face to face discussions with people has been thus: even though we couch our talk about civil war/rebellion in terms of “last resort” the people on the Left will not allow us to even consider it “as a last resort.” It is anathema to them. And, yes, if they could crush us like insects they most certainly would.

Armed rebellion should be the absolute last resort to resolve a Constitutional crisis. Every other avenue of redress must be thoroughly exploited. The cause of rebellion must be a very grave one. But if it comes I am on board with it. I rather suspect that most of our military would be too. Unfortunately, the National Guard has in their oath of office their being pledged to the authority of their governors and the President of the United States. Not the Constitution, as in the oath of office for regular enlisted and officers. It’s a complicated situation. But I believe the bulk of the military and law enforcement would be on our side. And that has the Left soiling its pants, because I know NO ONE around where I live who is on the Left who:

1. Has military experience
2. Owns a gun or rifle
3. Knows how to fire weapons
4. Knows rudimentary military tactics and normal discipline

But I must emphasize the fact that our first order of business remains the long and difficult task of defeating the Marxists in the public sphere of ideas and policy. No effort should be spared in that project.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:10 am 38. Ian Thorpe:

Not long ago I had a coment on my UK blog telling me the US was heading towards civil war.

At the time I thought the guy was nuts but looking down thos tread, maybe he was onto something.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:11 am 39. one of my own:

37 fred . . .”I know NO ONE around where I live who is on the Left who:
1. Has military experience
2. Owns a gun or rifle
3. Knows how to fire weapons
4. Knows rudimentary military tactics and normal discipline”

Well, fred, hate to tell you this but there are plenty of us around who fit that to a T. We just don’t bark about it like a bunch of puppies.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:39 am 40. John the Libertarian:

Relax, folks. Relax. The Democrats have overreached again and will lose seats in the House and Senate in 2010.

Obama is a one-time phenomenon and nothing more, he won’t be elected a second term.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:40 am 41. BuckeyeTexan:

Herb:

“What part of financing private homeownership is socialism?”

The part where someone else’s hard-earned, private money is forcibly taken from them by the government to make someone else a “homeowner.”

The only reason that you libtards scoff at the term socialism is because it’s accurate – and libtards hate having the truth brought into any discussion.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:41 am 42. Sandra Martin:

There are two types of liberals/socialists/communists/democrats/leftards in this country. The first is the very small minority of the truly evil who know exactly what they are doing. The second type is the emotionally driven non-thinkers who blindly follow the first type.

All we, as normal Americans, need to defeat is the small minority making up the first type. Our beginning line of offense should be to expose evil for what it is. It already has a face. We need now to expose its stone cold heart.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:43 am 43. bill:

Herb is trying to adopt the role of reasoning sage and it makes him feel enlightened. He doesn’t seem to like “heated rhetoric” but obviously hasn’t perused the “Declaration” for some time. It’s full of what would constitute heated rhetoric these days. So was “Common Sense” by Payne. So were many of the public statements of Sam Adams. So were many of the anti-slavery tracts of the 19th Century. Mankind, being the way it is, responds to heated rhetoric. While the French were engaging in calm existential discourse at coffee shops, their neighbors rolled into Paris in tanks. While the rest of us put ourselves on the front lines of saving this worthy nation, Herb will be sitting in his house with the lights off, peering through the blinds, praying that nothing touches him. Amen, I say to you, he has received his reward.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:44 am 44. SeniorD:

Herb, I looked up the defintion of ad hominem and here’s what I found:

13. cherand:
“…allows Texas to leave the U.S. At free will”

Um, no. Get your facts straight. Then we’ll talk. Until, why bother? GIGO.

“17. SeniorD:

…the Coastal Intellects vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard don’t comprehend.”

You mean like the Bush family?

Please… The “coastal elite” versus the “rugged heartland” meme is so played out.

What, you think Texans are more American than Martha’s Vineyard peeps? (Rolling my eyes)

“19. Broadsword:

shouldn’t you try to understand the ‘root causes’ of their dissatisfaction”

I do understand the dissatisfaction. A big-spending liberal won the election! To conservatives of conviction, that’s hard to swallow.

What I don’t understand is the response: “We’re seceding because of this totalitarian takeover.”

Dude, your side lost an election! That’s neither a “totalitarian takeover” nor a good reason to secede!

Next time, VOTE HARDER. Be more convincing. Pick a candidate that can win. Offer something besides the right-wing version of “If Bush wins, I’m moving to Canada” childishness.

On another note…to those who find some merit in this Chuck Norris nonsense, have you really thought about this?

Considering the difficulties managing a Southern border, have Texans of good conscience thought about managing a western, eastern and northern border?

Got your passports ready for your trip up to Oklahoma City?

What’s the exchange rate between the American dollar and the Texas Buck?

How many tanks, fighter jets, and aircraft carriers does the Texas Rangers have in their arsenal? Are they prepared to mount a national defense or are they going to ask the United States Marines to help them out if Mexico invades?

Will they have the Bill of Rights in their Constitution? Hope so…but there’s no guarantee.

Think this through, folks. I’m not asking, as Bob Owens suggests, for a monopoly on thought. I’m just asking for some thought.
Mar 14, 2009 – 6:31 am 28. SeniorD:

I don’t think you understand what “ad hominem” means. You must be thinking of some other aspect of my argument that you don’t like and calling it “ad hominem” because you heard that once and it sounded good. Now that’s a sign of a lazy intellect.

27. steeple:

To quote Glenn Reynolds, indeed. That’s why I don’t like this Obama is a socialist, tea party, secede or revolt crap. Extremist panting from either side should be resisted…not embraced and defended.

Give it up Herb. VUsing your own words, you’ve demonstrated an incredibly shallow intellect. In comparison to other intellects you bring a whiffle ball bat to a knife fight, a squirt gun to a gun fight and an emotionally charged, infantile set of reasoning skills. Now, go to your ‘Happy Place’ and let the adults have a good conversation.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:50 am 45. Michael:

Everyone is talking to Herb so I guess I will also. All this talk is predicated on Obama/Polosie/Reid stomping on Constitutional rights including manipulating the Census, gerrymandering extensivly to disenfranchise conservative areas and fixing elections. As long as elections continue and are fair I see no fear of revolution.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:56 am 46. Sherab Zangpo:

Although I do not wish to discuss the topic of Norris’ article, I want to write a comment in the hope that God help me and us all to think clearly.
This is the second time in a few days that we read a post on this blog that discusses the risk of a civil war or something like that. The election of a President propped up by a conspiracy of subversives, commies, nihilists and madmen (Soros) certainly justifies the worry.
But it is nevertheless true that all this is very SAD.
So my point is: let’s not give to the subversives ANOTHER victory, and possibly a strategic one, and let’s gather as Americans, as Citizens, around the knowledge of the Love of God.
Nihilism spurs ideologies, let’s not fall into such deadly traps, let’s keep our heads and our minds clear in the sure confidence in God.
I do not put any link here and the Moderators will feel free to delete the reference, but I am not able now to say all I want: I have recently written a column, titled “Steady !” in my blog, a column that discusses exactly this point, so if you are interested please see that text, thank you.
Let’s not take the road of ideological hate, let’s fight the battle of ideas moved by the JOY and the WONDER and let’s try to talk with open heart to ALL our fellow Citizens that are being ensnared by the nihilist dictators wannabes.
Let’s pray and then let’s pray again and again.

If things will ever go so badly that the Gift of God to the human beings, the Gift of Freedom, will be attacked, the prayers of today will help us then too.

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:56 am 47. rightway:

As a Texan, I have to ask why the Federal Government has abandoned me….not the other way around. Why have the Feds. not secured the Mexican Border for me? Why have the Feds. not protected my rights as an American. If they can’t do it, then maybe the TEXAS government will have to, I would trust Texas to take care of me far more than I would trust Washington.

Mar 14, 2009 - 10:03 am 48. Sonny:

When GWB was president, the Left seemed to be content with policies of personal destruction when demonizing their opponents.

However, with BHO as president, the Right is pursuing a more militant path in regards to its opposition.

The Right was taken down to size during the Bush by an amalgamation of leftist politicians, newspaper editors and television commentators. They still feel the “hurt” imposed upon them and are now even more alienated due to the election of an extreme Far Left president whose agenda of social welfare programs in education, health care and energy are proving to be devastating to those who are paying the taxes needed for this “utopia”.

The shift in political philosophy in January was extreme due to the devastation of the real estate and financial markets which should have been the new administration’s first order of business.

Instead of “cleaning house” and restructuring the banks and financial institutions, the administrations panicked – both Bush and Obama – and ordered massive amounts of unsupported aid be given out in a hodge-podge manner.

Neither Bush nor Obama have shown good judgment in applying proper economic principles in the current financial situation we find ourselves in. In the election of Obama, the voters of this country showed their lack of understanding in how their country operates. Neither presidental candidate the two major parties presented were capable for the times in which they were offered.

Obviously Chuck Norris is speaking out of frustration. At the moment, The Right has no dynamic leader who can appeal to the nation to speak in its best interest. It won’t be a radio personality or a actor who will lead this country to success in the future. It will be one who knows and understands the Constitution, its meaning, and what it is intended to convey. It will be a person with a background in understanding how America became the country that it is. Above all, it will be a person well-grounded in econonic principles who is willing to change from a credit economy to one that is based upon assets.

Yes, it will mean going back to a gold-standard instead of our economy being controlled by a private banking system whose membership is primarily European bankers. The current system we are on came as a result of allowing the Federal Reserve to set the financial policies of our country. We should remove the root of our problem first before speaking of insurrection, that being the Federal Reserve System as it currently exists.

Then, I am sure Mr. Norris and his followers will get a sense the proper remedy is being applied to the malady of our country.

Mar 14, 2009 - 10:32 am 49. Jason:

Herb:

I’ll tell you what’s ‘intellectually lazy’ – making the argument from incredulity. To wit: “I simply cannot imagine how we could be headed toward totalitarianism. Therefore, we are not headed toward totalitarianism.”

F.A. Hayek, in his book ‘The Road to Serfdom,’ argued brilliantly and chillingly that empowering the government with more and more economic powers leads not to prosperity and liberty but to the horrors of dictatorship, fascism, communism and every other variation of the collectivist nightmare the left seems hell bent on planting the seeds of. It’s a detailed and involved read but I suggest you read it thoroughly.

Mar 14, 2009 - 10:34 am 50. Jeff Weimer:

8. Yes We Did:

Give it up, you racist hatemongers, before you suffer the consequences of your seditious actions. President Obama rules this country now and the great majority of Americans loves and supports our new Leader. If push comes to shove, you will be crushed like insects.

Ah, the ever handy “we won, shut up!” argument. Complete with unsupported and libelous accusations (racist hatemongers), incorrect legal assumptions (it’s seditious ACTS that are punishable, and this is merely speech – that’s still protected under the 1st amendment, or is dissent no longer the highest form of patriotism?), blatant falsehoods (President Obama RULES? I thought the President Governed), mere truth stretching (I thought the election was 52 to 48, or is that website wrong?), and then the all purpose threat (we will crush you!). Have I got it all?

Please come back with a cogent argument. Or since I haven’t seen you drop another pile since, are you just a silly troll I shouldn’t expect anything more out of you?

Have a nice day.

Mar 14, 2009 - 10:43 am 51. BuckeyeTexan:

Sherab Zangpo:

Jesus didn’t pray about and negotiate with the money changers in the temple before overturning their tables and kicking them out. He knew what they were. He recognized them as the evil and corrupt liars that they were. And then he took action.

Mar 14, 2009 - 10:49 am 52. Mike:

Herb: I think you and your ilk are the lunatics, but we will prevail.

Go Glenn Beck and Chuck Norris and all their supporters.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:10 am 53. Don Quijote:

The door is wide open, please don’t let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

Oh, and while you’re at it can you take the rest of the confederacy with you…

Good Luck, and Good Riddance.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:17 am 54. Sherab Zangpo:

#51 BuckeyeTexan

Point taken but let me say that we shouldn’t either confer too much dignity to the group that has taken control of the Executive and of the Legislative (and will surely take control of the Judiciary): it’s a pile of old rotten politicos trying to get rich, wannabe “revolutionaries” and half-terrorist losers, “caviar and champagne” marxists.
A proper “merchant in the Temple” would try to get elected saying “I am a revolutionary, I will destroy capitalism in America, I will nationalize all the economy, and I will fight to death for all this”.
These guys are spoiled brats, full of America’s money… and playing games.
Dangerous and VERY dangerous games , but games.
No cuban cigar to this conspiracy of fools.

I am pretty sure Jesus would have LAUGHED.
Maybe a roaring laugh, but laughed.

PS They can surely CAUSE a REAL subversion to begin, anyway.
Let’s pray it doesn’t happen, let’s pray with ALL the Americans.

PPS Soros is a different case of course, but he doesn’t have the right tools, he believes he has them but he doesn’t.

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:26 am 55. GOP=HISTORY:

Chuck Norris/Joe the Plumber – 2012 – can Obama handle that ? Chuck Norris will kick ass and Joe will do what plumbers do best – keep everything moving downhill! With these two guys on the ticket there will be no stopping the GOP on it’s nonstop rush to obscurity ! I pity the fool that gets in Chucks way when he sets off on the path to the White House ! I predict Chuck will win the 1st debate by a roundhouse kick to his opponent’s midsection.. After all it’s the American way; if ANYONE interferes with your vision of the future of America – send ‘em to the graveyard and let God sort ‘em out. Forget voting – that’s the girly-man way of doing things.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:39 am 56. Randy Sexer:

Why does political discussion in this country have to be dominated by poo-flinging partisans? Bloods and Crips have more respect for each other than self-identified liberals and conservatives do in this country. Either way, extreme partisanship on either side is kinda gay.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:51 am 57. Ed:

Chuck Norris and Glenn Beck: two of the dumbest mother******* on the planet.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:51 am 58. Marc Malone:

The reason the right is seriously talking about revolution, is not just frustration over political developments. Rather, it’s that we feel completely disenfranchised. Our voices are calling from the wilderness, because the information stream has been co-opted by the Left.

Those of the populace who are not dialed into politics only get their info from the Left. This is what allows this takeover of our system. Truly, if an informed public had decided that this is what they want, I’d be okay with it… but I know they are not informed. Opposing arguments simply cannot be heard. THIS is the danger. Once people determine that they cannot get a fair shake at the ballot box, they head for the ammo box. Rightfully so.

Further actions to silence our lonely voices will trigger the conflict. I expect the Fairness Doctrine to be implemented. One egregious application of the law to stifle dissent will set off the storm, if the economy is really bad at that time.

I just had a thought. How about a march on D.C. to demand that Obama produce his vault copy birth certificate? A huge march.

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:11 pm 59. Craig:

“Give it up, you racist hatemongers…”

Can a liberal EVER start off a debate without the ubiquitous racecard.

Seriously. Get an effin life you effin moron.

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:22 pm 60. stuart Williamson:

Lots of evidence here of the “collective freak-out” that Owens cited at the start of his article.

The freak-out comes from three types: the two decades of college graduates who are too dumb to realize they have been turned into socialists and think they are thinkers; the sheep who are idolators and don’t even pretend to think; and the true,dedicated Socialists in sheep’s clothing, hiding under the nom-de-guerre of “liberal”, who are desperate that the level of their committment is not revealed.

Obama.s campaign was based on concealing every evidence of his deep, life-long involvement with radicl socialism. The Axelrod machine knew that early revelation of Ayers/Alinsky roots would kill his nomination. Americans will stand for “leftism” but they will not vote for Socialists. Which is whyObama is saying to the NYT, “Do not make any reference to socialism in your promotion of our acministration”.

Thich is precisely why everyone on the right should be shouting
“SOCI ALISM” and abandoning “leftist”, “liberal” “collective” and “Progressive”.

I’d like to see the return of “REDS”. which the socialists are trying to stick onto the Republican-voting states, while calling themselves “blue”. Proof positive that there is a calculated Democrat-Socialist strategy to escape the stigma of the label of SOCIALISM. Don’t let them get away with it.

Mar 14, 2009 - 12:46 pm 61. LLE:

According to Herb
“Do you remember the Civil War though? That settled a question too, not whether free men can revolt against a totalitarian government, but that STATES CANNOT SECEDE FROM THE UNION.”

Your argument is poor. There is nothing within the Constitution that precludes it. Doubtful it will ever happen.

Obviously, you don’t read history books much because the Civil War was initiated by overly belligerant South Carolinians.

Perhaps war was inevitable once the southern states had seceded, but it is debatable how much support Lincoln would have had had the South Carolinians not forced the issue by attacking Ft Sumner. There was no general consensus within the North that it was necessary to initiate hostilities prior to this point.

Northern preparations for war before this point were quite haphazard ie not very serious. Perhaps you should read more on how poorly the Union Army (ie largely composed of nationalized militias) performed at the First Battle of Bull Run (Manassas).

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:17 pm 62. Ole Miss Rebel:

It is amazing how so many of you on the left forget how our nation was founded and just exactly what it took for us to be free. Oh I forgot sounds like you have been reading all of the political correct crap that the left NEA has been spreading for years. Makes me want to puke.

It is amazing how the left thought it was perfectily fine to demonize Dubya from the day he took office until the day he left office. Now that the tables have been turned it is not okay. GET A LIFE AND GET A GRIP.

And if America continues to be destroyed by obama and his minions in his administration and in the Congress, then there will be civil war. If obama wants socialism then he needs to move to Europe.

And Don Quijote don’t you ever underestimate the Confederacy or Real Americans. Americans want to be free and we will take our country back by any means. You ever wonder why obama is trying to do away with assault weapons. You can’t arm a militia to fight against tyranny with weapons.

You can make fun of us all you want but Americans will not stand for obama and the demorats. 2010 and 2012 can’t come soon enough for our country. You better enjoy jimmy carter jr because he is one term and done.
Then he and all of the kool aid drinkers including you be sure to not let the door hit you where the good Lord split you. I am sure we could get some cargo planes to drop you out over any number of socialist nations or how about GITMO.

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:36 pm 63. lucy:

Chuck Norris is an American. I don’t even know what to call the guy who’s now in the White House.

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:37 pm 64. Wancow:

I would sure like to know where #8 “Yes We Did” blogs… I need a good laugh.

I saw earlier someone mentioned that Texas is the only state that can secede from the Union. That’s not technically true. Any state that exists can Secede from the Union, it’s just a matter of process. Whether Texas can Secede Legally under her current constitution is in question.

For details on Texas and her ability to secede LEGALLY, I differ here: http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:38 pm 65. lila:

Umm. Texas sounds pretty good to me. Good for Chuck Norris. He has a sense of humor and lefties are humorless.
Now all of a sudden the lefties are happy with America, they love it.. now. they have a president that can give a good speech with a teleprompter and can boogie. Yahoo.
At least the people that really love America don’t threaten to move to another country when the going gets tough,burn our flag,throw pies at someone when they don’t agree with someone or spit on our soldiers(as they did during the Vietnam War).Now that is hatemongering. This is the wing of the radical Liberal left. and they call conservatives hatemongers. Lets see, our new guy is going to close Gitmo, because the “screamers” don’t want the killers to be tortured, but votes against a ban on partial birth abortion, which actually does torture and sucks the brains out of little babies. Oh, I forgot, as long as their heads are still inside the womb, they are not human.Really intelligent. Maybe he’s just tired,with all the countries he has been insulting lately and foo foo parties he and Michelle have hosted, even tho he should be rested. He’s taken off every weekend since he started, cause the White House is boring. boo hoo.

Mar 14, 2009 - 1:59 pm 66. Duane Phinney:

Do not feed the trolls!

By the way, Tim McVeigh was not a right wing radical. He was a registered Democrat and anti military.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:01 pm 67. Christopher Smith:

When Chuck Norris jumps into a lake Chuck Norris dosn’t get wet. The lake gets Chuck Norris.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:04 pm 68. KateS:

Herb,

In view of the corrupt involvement of Democratic Congressional leaders in the meltdown of our financial system, and the machinations of the Soros cult, you are out of line with your condemnation.

Support for extremists might be hemorraghing, particularly leftist extremists. But conservative support is growing. People don’t like what they’re seeing in the new administration, and there is a backlash.

Your snarky, insulting comment style obscures any worthwhile point you may inadvertantly make.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:23 pm 69. zap brannigan:

#53 don,

dixie tried to leave the union peacefully but an illegal war was waged on them by those evil yankie varmins.

don, do you think the yankie states should be impeached for war crimes?

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:25 pm 70. ked5:

it’s ok for people like James Carville to say in the national media that if Obama doesn’t win there will be riots in the streets.

~~~

Or the latest report – that on the morning of 9/11, Carville said in, what was basically a press conference, he wanted Bush to fail. After he heard about the planes, he told the MSM to forget everything he just said.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:44 pm 71. Emphasis:

Herb said:

>>>Please…it’s overheated rhetoric to call Obama’s agenda “socialist.” I hear this crap from the same people who complain about bailing out homeowners. But I’m wondering…what part of financing the private ownership of homes is socialist?!<<<<

The part that takes by force (taxation) the sacrifices I made to create a business so that I could have money to fulfill my dreams and those of my family, to bail out those that did not sacrifice, or that made the wrong or irresponsible decisions with theirs.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:45 pm 72. ked5:

23
“Coastal Intellects vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard don’t comprehend.”

You mean like the Bush family?

~~~~~

Herb, Herb, Herb. do you need a map? Since when has Martha’s Vineyard been in Maine? Or perhaps you merely confused your states that start with “M”.

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:50 pm 73. Tristan Yates:

It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it. – G. Washington

Mar 14, 2009 - 2:57 pm 74. ked5:

53. Don Quijote:

Oh, and while you’re at it can you take the rest of the confederacy with you…

~~~~~~~

you might want to rethink that. I live in a NORTHERN state, and the number of confederate bumper stickers are *increasing*. so, the new confederacy takes over, where do *you* plan on going? I know I’ve heard many Canadians say the do. not. want. the socialists like you.

Mar 14, 2009 - 3:09 pm 75. marymcl:

@53 Don Quijote

Do you have any reason other than an obvious personal dislike of Texans and other southerners for advocating the breakup of the Union? In other words, any reason to take your remarks seriously?

And Herb, what’s to be done with you? So much enthusiasm skidding across the surface of things, there’s got to be some potential for a breakthrough there….Maybe it’s just late enough in the day but I’m actually starting to enjoy your posts. FYI Secession wasn’t “ALLOWED” before it happened, either.

Mar 14, 2009 - 3:31 pm 76. Mr Howell IV:

I just came in from playing a tiring game of croquet on the lawn here in the Hamptons, picked up my soy sandwhich and martini and happened on this remarkable thread. After adding some sprouts and yogurt(PS to joeblough: james bond ordered yogurt in from Russia With Love), I just had to comment; I mean the chance to actually experience some right wing nutjobs is too much to pass up!

I see the right wingnuts I have heard about really exist! The big talkers here left all their common sense at the local pork rind festival when they voted for the republican congress for 16 years, allowing it to gorge itself on pork: you are complaining about Obama? Ted Stevens ring a bell with anyone? Denny Hastert? News flash! You handed Obama’s election to him on a yoga mat.

let me clue you all in on how we see it from here, because you know what? I’m getting a bit concerned too!

Jason #49 is right but decades too late: Jason warns of economic control by the government and he’s right about its horrendous risks, but its happened already Jason. The barn door is closed: unions strangle the few manufacturing companies that remain here. The government keeps laywering on new rules and penalties each year. The people that manage my trust fund tell me.

Now the US has cleaner air and water than most places, and more restricted work environments: if you fire someone, they can sue you for a dozen reasons; people that you’ve never seen sue you because the counter in your restaraunt is an inch too high for wheelchairs; heavy unionized companies have ridiculous work rules like having to call a union electrician to change a light bulb.

You know the % of the US economy devoted to manufacturing today? 11% You heard it right: I bet you can guess it used to be higher when we sold things to people instaed of borring money fromt he Chinese. And all the while you pork rind eaters and tough talking guys that draw life from Chuck Norris were worried about…..gays getting married and pot. Think you made a good bet with your efforts? Maybe you should have been insisting on true principles not just ones you liked. Tsk, tsk!

Who does business in the US today? CPA money managers that ran big Ponzi schemes wheile GWB was vacatining in texas. Snoockered? You bet. We all were (my daughter’s new prius fund was with madoff).

Marc #58: You seem to have a good heart as does jason here: but you worry too much and do too little. (Sorry–i know that’s presumptous. But i have to put the croquet mallet away soon and am in a hury).

What do the republicans do now? They lost their soul when they had to be pushed into voting for the Civil Rights Act and lost the black vote. They’ve been fighting a holding action ever since. What do they stand for now? I mean where are the adults?

Oh yes: From 2000 to 2008: “Republican” meant GW Bush and a spendalicious congress, teeming with corrupt lobbyists; NOW: endless whining about Obama. THEIR LEADER NOW? A feeble old senator that stands for nothing except honorable behavior 40 years ago and negligible actions since. Your chosen party doesn’t even understanding the OLD ideas they once stood for. No wonder you are all so demoralized. You HAVE been disenfranchised! I feel your pain!! Jindal or whoever he is has no clue either! When Steele tries to take a new tack and is a bit off track, people want to oust him: don’t you kow that persistence and diligence is what comes before success? Firing steele is like slapping a kid that falls off the bike the first time!

Maybe if you and the repubs had embraced more people –all those neocon gays,socially conservative blacks and women who seem to only care about the right to abort, the country wouldn’t be in this shape now. But it is: why? Because for years, the repubs would only elect people that predictably alienated large segments of the electorate on issues that are reigious or social: pot penalties; abortion in the first trimester; gay marriage….just how do those stack up in importance now? I mean the chinese are lecturing us about our finances. The iranians are making a bomb (don’t you think?). We use more foreign oil than we did in the 70’s. But we sure kept those gays from marrying! (no i am not gay but in balancing the issues, that one is not what I see as crucial–do you?)

Would Nixon tolerate this? NO! he’dd find some groups to embrace and win elections! Would Reagan speak of breaking off? No! He’d speak out and convert!

You must do the same (I’m too old and have a croquet injury).

Get back to what made the republicans appealling; spread the message–not on this board–but by volunteering to do anything and letting people see who you are. The catholics converted bloody near the entire western world that way. Start putting up candidates that appeal to more than your shrinking base: look at issues that are crucial to the COUNRY not Aunt edna. (“render unto…,” meaning keep religion out of politics.). People liek Ole miss rebel can help: she’s got fire in her belly still!
Unite don’t divide.

Oh…and stay off my lawn.

Mar 14, 2009 - 3:57 pm 77. Kill Terrorist:

Since child hood I was taught and raise in praying Almighty to keep me on the Right side.Right is Right,left is for ….

Mar 14, 2009 - 3:58 pm 78. White Devil:

Quote
…Norris deserves to be chided for the language he decided to use…
End Quote

Ah, no. YOU chide Chuck Norris. I’ll stand waaaay over there, out of the splatter and stray piece range.

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:01 pm 79. Don Quijote:

#53

don, do you think the yankie states should be impeached for war crimes

A) You don’t impeach states, you impeach political leaders.
B) The losers don’t get to judge the winners, and your side lost, get over it.
C)The Northern Leadership should have been impeached for letting you back in the Union, and not burning the place down correctly and not having appropriately armed and trained your former slaves.

#74
If they want to be part of the confederacy, they can move south. I am not moving.
BTW why do you think I am a socialist, I could be communist or even worse an anarchist.

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:15 pm 80. Steve Rogers:

There’s a lot of talk going around about secession and immediately the Civil War is invoked by both sides. Both sides seem to agree that if a State or States choose to secede from the Union a military conflict will inevitably result. That may have been true in 1860, it is not necessarily the case today. In 1860 no one ever got anything through non-violence. Thanks to people like Dr. King and Mahatma Gandhi there’s an alternative strategy. If a State or group of States declared independence and simply ceased to co-operate with the Feds, what’s DC going to do? Attack? Wouldn’t that look great on CNN. Armed rebellion would simply justify a heavy handed response from Washington.

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:28 pm 81. one of my own:

63. lucy: . . . “Chuck Norris is an American. I don’t even know what to call the guy who’s now in the White House.”

That’s an easy one – President of the United States and Commander in Chief. And don’t I love it.

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:31 pm 82. Don Quijote:

Do you have any reason other than an obvious personal dislike of Texans and other southerners for advocating the breakup of the Union? In other words, any reason to take your remarks seriously?

A) I did not advocate for the breakup of the Union, Chuck Norris did.
B) If the south wants to secede, I am not going to stop them.
C) The south without the rest of the Union to give them money would turn into an English speaking version of Mexico in less than twenty years, hell Alabama & Mississippi already are.

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:41 pm 83. Larry Faren:

Bob Owens: “Those on the left now seem to demand conformity….”
Me: One method of which is their strange insistence in their chants/placards/singing that “We Are One” as displayed at the inaugural celebration/worship service in Washington, DC on 1/18.

Question:
How can “we” be “one” when 47% of the popular votes cast on November 4 were for someone other than The One?

Mar 14, 2009 - 4:54 pm 84. Ole Miss Rebel:

Don you really hate Southern people don’t you? And you would call us racist. What a jerk and a hypocrite. If President Lincoln had lived, it wouldn’t have taken the South so long to recover from the War between the States.

You sound just like your socialist leader nobama when you say the losers don’t get to judge the winners. It was ok when President Bush was in office for you losers to question everything he did. He wasn’t given the least bit of respect for anything. I voted and I am an American and unless nobama has finally managed to take away our right to vote and free speech, I WILL JUDGE HIM AND THE do nothing demorats who are destroying our country.

Are you kidding me with your statement about the Northern leadership? President Lincoln who nobama so wants to make people think he is like, had great respect and understanding for the South. I am really grateful that you are NOT in charge of anything except maybe a garbage truck(I am sorry my apologies to the garbage truck)

And by the way keep your yankee a$$ in the North, we don’t want you here in the South. And your comment about our slaves, you better check your history if you think Northerners didn’t have slaves. HYPOCRITES.

And your comment about being a socialist. I think you are a DA and I am not talking district attorney.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:13 pm 85. one of my own:

Yeah, I remember Chuck Norris in Walker the Texas Ranger Man. Hey it’s on right now! He’s about to kick some butt in the city park . . . bunch of drug dealers. Yeah, get ‘em, Chuck! Nice kick! Hey, wait a minute . . . that looks like . . . that’s a stunt double! . . . Just some guy in a hairpiece takin’ my man Chuck’s place in the fight scene. So like, Chuck just talks smack to the drug dealers and then sends someone else in to do his fightin’ for him. Chuck’s a chickenhawk! No wonder you guys like him so much.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:13 pm 86. Ole Miss Rebel:

Mr. Howell I think your comment about me was a compliment. Yes I do still have fire in my belly and I am sick and tired of all of the political correctness. We Republicans have to quit being so nice and take off the gloves. Smashmouth is how the demorats do it. It is time to stand up for what is right and to hell with being popular. The founding fathers didn’t do that. They gave their all even their lives if necessary. It is time for Americans to stand up and say We aren’t going to have our country stolen from us. We are mad as hell and we aren’t going to take it anymore.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:22 pm 87. Ole Miss Rebel:

one of my own:your commander in chief is a JOKE. And don’t think I am not going to love it when 2012 gets here and jimmy carter jr is one and done.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:27 pm 88. Oscar the Grump:

one of my own
Glad to hear that you own a gun and know how to use it. I’m just plumb scared to death by it. Somebody, help me please! The big left winger is out to get me. Help me, help me, help me!

May I add, Help!

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:45 pm 89. Oscar the Grump:

Yes We Did
“Obama rules this country now…..”

Listen fool, a king rules, a president governs. Go back to high school and get an education!

As for a majority voted for him and loves him…… That number is shrinking quickly. But you go ahead and loves him if you want.

Mar 14, 2009 - 5:50 pm 90. Venham:

I don’t want to hijack this thread,but I’m curious about what the supporters of Mr. Obama think about his proposal for an internal security force as large and well funded as the U.S. military.Doesn’t it sound a little dubious considering their support for the bills pending for weapon and ammunition restrictions? Regarding Fred’s #37 post,all U.S. law enforcement and regular military personnel take the oath to protect the U.S. Constitution against ALL enemies foreign AND domestic.Not to any one man or party or administration. I don’t know about the NG.The oligarch’s running the country seem to forget the oath they took.Maybe it’s because they fit the description.An awful lot of people are under the illusion that we have a Democracy.We do not we have a Republic, there is a huge difference.Try finding the word democracy in The Constitution or The Bill of Rights.Until our education system teaches HOW to think instead of WHAT to think,nothing will change for the better for America.With all the fine examples of socialist nanny states in enlightened Eurabia with government health care,gun control etc. ad nauseum,why don’t the libs in this country just emigrate.If Texas does secede I am GTT.
Immediacy makes many things convenient,that left in place will become oppressions. Thomas Paine

Mar 14, 2009 - 6:40 pm 91. Anonymous:

Herb, did you really blame the Civil War on belligerent South Carolinian’s?

http://www.civilwarhome.com/CMHsumter.htm

Historically, you couldn’t be more wrong. After the South left the Union, the Confederacy and the United States reached and agreement that “the forts would not be attacked, or seized as an act of war, until proper negotiations for their cession to the State had been made and had failed; provided that they were not reinforced, and their military status should remain as it was at the time of this understanding, viz., on December 9, 1860.” On 26 December, Major Anderson, left Fort Moultrie and occupied Fort Sumter in violation of the treaty with Washington. South Carolina sent a delegation to Fort Sumter to ask Major Anderson to return to Fort Moultrie per the agreement. Major Anderson refused. He proceeded to improve his position. On 9 January, the steamer attempted to land supplies at Fort Sumter, again, in violation of the treaty. A couple of shots were placed across her bow and she turned back. Major Anderson, even though he and the US were in violation of their agreement, threatened to open fire on all ships entering Charleston Harbor. South Carolina repeated its demands that Major Anderson cease improving and remove himself from Fort Sumter in support of the agreement South Carolina had reached with Washington. On 12 April, with a US Fleet collecting outside Charleston Harbor with orders to re-enforce Fort Sumter, in violation of the agreement South Carolina had reached with Washington, General Beauregard informed Major Anderson at 3:20AM that unless he surrendered Fort Sumter that he would open fire. At 4:30 General Beauregard opened fire and sustained the bombardment for 34 hours, Fort Sumter surrendered without casualties. No further hostilities were initiated by Southern Troops.

Fast forward to 16 July 1861, the US Army invades Virginia, and the Battle of Manassas Juntion is fought. The Civil War begins.

Washington violates its agreements then invades the Confederacy, a sovereign country, “Southern Aggression” indeed!

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:05 pm 92. Venham:

Yes we did, crushed with what? Sophistry, leftist platitudes and BS.I have yet to meet the liberal actually willing to fight for what they believe in.They’ll try to intimidate until someone gets in their face,then all of a sudden it’s yeah whatever you fascist.You’ll be alright if you stay in the cybercafe or where ever with the rest of the bohemians.But if you ever find yourself someplace rural I would advise you to keep your opinions to yourself.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:29 pm 93. Oscar the Grump:

Remember folks, this too shall pass. That’s comforting thought in these times and when you are constipated.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:31 pm 94. fred:

One of the reasons why I want to counsel caution with respect to rebellion, and to be disciplined and follow through on the advice I gave earlier – about going through the political process first and then making sure there is a grave Constitutional crisis on our hands – to not pull any punches from Obonga. We don’t want to set in motion moves to actually put his idea of a domestic security force that is as well financed as our military into play.

I can assure you, he WILL get an army of mercenary and Marxist desperadoes to take the federal jack and weapons to kick down our doors.

Making stupid moves would play right into this man’s hands. Let me tell you, this guy IS ruthless and he will do whatever it takes to crush us. Look at how he took out his opponents in Illinois politics and in his race for his Senate seat. Do not underestimate this guy. He may not be deeply intelligent about a lot of things, but he is cunning like a fox.

We have to organize, plan, UNITE, and maintain discipline. We have to have a plan and we need leadership. Furthermore, I reject the idea of making this a secession issue. To those of you from the South and Southwest, please, please note that there are a lot of folks here in the Northeast who are sympathetic with the grievances you express. It is not right that we should be abandoned in this fight just because we live in blue states. We have a right to a common heritage and documents. It should be one country, not just some revival of the Old Confederacy. Furthermore, our foreign enemies would love nothing more than to see this nation regionally fragmented. It would no longer be a power on the world stage to fight the totalitarians and terrorists abroad, which we must do because of how integrated the world economy is.

This is a fight for the nation, not just Texas. That is what I would say to Mr. Walker. Respectfully.

The past is in the past, never to be relived. But our foundational documents are more than just the past: they are the contract that binds all Americans together and delineates the limits of government.

To those who hew to the idea of “the living Constitution” and who inhabit the law profession and our universities: there is outlined in the Constitution the procedure by which that contract can be amended. Using judicial fiat to put into that contract what is not there or to alter its meaning is a violation of the contract and begs for redress.

Civil war/rebellion is not inevitable. Right now the nation’s divisions are not primarily regional or even by state. The virus of cultural Marxism is EVERYWHERE, particularly in our urban centers and in our education system and the universities. The final chapters of the political struggle contained within our political process are not written yet. Still, we must remain vigilant and prepared. But not acting impulsively, which would give these unscrupulous people an excuse to take measures that would make it much harder to fight back in the future. We have to use our brains. Don’t let the hot heads prevail.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:36 pm 95. Jerry:

Everyone knows that power corrupts, I add that opposition to power corrupts as well. However, a human conundrum is that the assertion of power that is unopposed yields an unbalanced system. The wonder of the American system, as problematic as it is, is that it allows for opposition and compromise, without the need to resort to death and destruction before stability emerges.

Please recall that American soldiers shot American veterans in the American capitol in the 1930s. The Civil War was no picnic. Neither was the French and Russian Revolutions. The closer “change” comes to “revolution” the greater the threat to American values. That is why early and frequent civil opposition to “change” is so important.

Viva Glen Beck, not because he is right, but because he is opposed to “change” without reason.

Mar 14, 2009 - 7:38 pm 96. Lake:

Yes We Did said:
Give it up, you racist hatemongers, before you suffer the consequences of your seditious actions. President Obama rules this country now and the great majority of Americans loves and supports our new Leader. If push comes to shove, you will be crushed like insects.
………………………………………………………………..
To YES WE DID: Now who are the racists and hatemongers when you say we will be crushed like insects. Maybe you should read the Bible, the part were the locusts come upon the earth.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:03 pm 97. Roark:

Chuck Norris and kill 2 stones with 1 bird.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:13 pm 98. Marie Claude:

Oscar

“Remember folks, this too shall pass. That’s comforting thought in these times and when you are constipated.”

if you don’t know where to hide, I still got my little place

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:47 pm 99. Venham:

People seem to delight in citing examples of the opposite sides corruption.Why can’t we agree as Americans to forget about political parties and vote out every s.o.b. that’s been in politics long enough to get that way,no matter the affiliation.Are selfish political agendas worth ruining this country?It seems to me that if we the people forced the politicians to live by the same laws they expect us to the problems would solve themselves.

Mar 14, 2009 - 8:48 pm 100. Herb:

34. Bill Perron:

HERB are you man enough to call Chuck Norris a “crank” to his face ? … Didn’t think so.

Yes, I am. Even under threat of a roundhouse kick. Chuck Norris isn’t the only one who uses Total Gym…

And no, calling someone names is not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack would be if I said, “Chuck Norris is a crank. Everything Chuck Norris says is bull.” Instead I’m saying, “Chuck Norris said some bull. Chuck Norris is a crank.” Slight difference.

“41. BuckeyeTexan:

The part where someone else’s hard-earned, private money is forcibly taken from them by the government to make someone else a “homeowner.””

That’s not even happening, so why are you worried?

43. bill

You’re quite a writer, but beyond that…I’m not sure you can slam “heated rhetoric,” when you envision a scenario where I’m shivering behind the blinds as the revolution unfolds without me. Get real.

44. SeniorD:

Thanks for recreating my comment in its entirety. Oh, you added some insults at the end? Well, I bet no one read those…

45. Michael:

As long as elections continue and are fair I see no fear of revolution.

This is my entire point in a nutshell. Republicans/conservatives/right wingers lost an election. A big spending liberal got elected and he’s enacting big spending liberal policies. This is not a call for a revolution. This is a call to beat big spending liberals in elections.

49. Jason:

Herb:

I’ll tell you what’s ‘intellectually lazy’ – making the argument from incredulity. To wit: “I simply cannot imagine how we could be headed toward totalitarianism. Therefore, we are not headed toward totalitarianism.”

My argument isn’t formed that way. My argument is this: we are not living in a totalitarian regime, and the election>/i> of a big-spending liberal is not a sign that we are. I still drive to work in my privately owned car to my for profit company to pay for my privately owned house.

Besides…in what totalitarian regime can Pajamas Media even exist, much less provide a spot for all us comment trolls to say whatever we want.

There are plenty of arguments to be made about the state of the world, plenty of valid criticisms to level at Barack Obama and his policies. And yet there’s still the folks who want to argue from the fringes.

And a lot of them are in here.

Mar 14, 2009 - 9:26 pm 101. DaveinPhoenix:

Goodnight Herb

Mar 14, 2009 - 10:22 pm 102. RAP:

Herb writes that the question of secession was settled by the Civil War. In history few questions are settled. Louis XIV no doubt thought he settled the question of who would rule France the King or the people but in 1789 his great-grandson found out the question was not so settled. There are many people, myself included, who think that a breakup of the U.S. like that of the Soviet Union would be benefical both to the people of the U.S. and those aboard.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:38 pm 103. Anonymous:

#76 Mr. Howell IV – Yes, a bit presumptuous. I can do no more than what I do. I live in WA State. It’s deep blue. All my reps are Dems. They don’t take my calls. Calling the federal numbers also does no good. The Stimulus bill passed despite calls running 9:1 against.

I can do naught else. I’m disabled. My body’s a wreck. I’m mostly blind. I cannot run for office. It’s all I can do to take care of myself. So, I blog. During the campaign, a couple of my arguments ended up getting used in the political discussions on TV. I also directly contacted a few neighbors, friends, and family. I donated some money to causes. I feel I’ve done my bit.

You make good points, but you miss the greater point. Yes, we championed certain issues to our detriment, but that didn’t make those issues less important to us, nor wrong. There’s no point in winning, if you abandon your principles along the way. The purpose of winning is to actually accomplish something, not just to win. the goal is not power, but to do right.

Unfortunately, that’s what many of our elected politicians did (abandoned their principles), and your criticism of them is valid. We share the same plaint of them. Sadly, we lack leaders, because no good man is faultless, and the biased Press tears them apart (witness Palin), while turning a blind eye towards the Dems. Who wants that. They define you by your greatest mistake.

It takes a strong man to get a politician to put his country ahead of his selfish interest. Reagan was like that, as was Gingrich. With their leadership, the politicians adhered mostly to their principles, as they had political cover. With them gone, there is no one to keep the politicians honest.

The problem is not our values. It’s our lack of leadership and the uneven playing field. I do not apologize for our agenda. Rather, I stand by it. If the country turns from us, then so be it. That’s on them, not on me. Yes, we are captives of our values, but I would not have it any other way.

Mar 14, 2009 - 11:44 pm 104. HawkWatcher:

Chuck speaks to possiblities, and I know of no viable concerted effort made by any State to secede. Beyond the bluster, Americans must agree that our foremost duty is to defend our country (ourselves) from the “enemies domestic” that are now in power. Our Constitution originally set up a limited federal government to unify, represent, and defend the States. For many decades, we have suffered under centralized power in Washington that dictates to the States in ways that are harmful and unlawful. Washington dictated us into the current recession, and now blames the dictatees. Dissenters are crushed as the socialist-led Congress further nationalizes car manufacturers, banks, and financial institutions. (For reference, look up the definition of fascism.) http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict

No wonder Chuck is pissed. We need to promote capitalism and free markets, limited government, and personal liberty. These are the things American that the current administration appears bent on destroying. Our job is to prove to liberals that every federal dollar spent is a dollar taken away from the private sector, and a further erosion of their own ability to thrive. We must educate people regarding the massive new government growth that will create nothing but unfounded debts, more economic hardship, and a stifling tax burden for the forseeable future. This is not beneficial representative government and we must fight it…whether we voted for Obama or not.

This message is being heard. Talking heads are finally questioning the radical left-wing agenda of the current administration. Many are asking if it is wise for Washington to borrow trillions of dollars during a bad recession. Left-wing blogs are up in arms because reality has forced Obama to back off on many campaign promises he made while pandering. Many moderates are pissed off. These voters were tricked by his enticing false shift towards middle-ground near the end of his campaign. The leftist-controlled rubber-stamp Congress has moderate Democrats frightened that proposed radical changes may actually affect their personal livelyhood in a bad way. Washington threatens our Constitution, our economic recovery, our liberty, and our very way of life.

When conservatives are well-informed and sturdy, good debating skills result, and thoughtful readers will embrace our viewpoints. Today, Obamas approval rating is lower than what G.W. Bush had in 2001. From the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html

Screw the trolls. Chins up, fellow conservatives. Billy Goat Gruff is here. Keep fighting the good fight any way you can.

Mar 15, 2009 - 1:21 am 105. lessthantolerant:

I for one find the idea of seceding appealing.

Obambi is leading us with acedemics who have never held a real job in the public sector. America has become a great educational experiment by people who have nothing of note in the way of sccomplishment.

The ideas seeping out of Harvard and other leftist institutions is doomed.

Mar 15, 2009 - 4:33 am 106. Agamemnon:

Joint Resolution of the Congress of the United States, March 1, 1845

28th Congress Second Session…

Joint Resolution for annexing Texas to the United States:

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America… New states, of convenient size, not exceeding four in number, in addition to said state of Texas, and having sufficient population, may hereafter, by the consent of said state, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the federal constitution.

In other words, Texas may, at any time, form four additional States from within its borders. This means eight new Senators — all from Texas.

A deal’s a deal — and that was the deal for originally annexing the Republic of Texas into the U.S. Let’s do it!

Mar 15, 2009 - 6:14 am 107. Agamemnon:

The following Oath is being widely circulated and signed by members of the United States Armed Forces:

1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects — such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.

3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

source: http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com

Mar 15, 2009 - 6:20 am 108. geoffgo:

Marc@7

The government answers to us, not the other way ’round.

Less so, each day.

YWD@8

Thanks for reaffirming the point of this discussion, Comrade. Obviously, you are a kapo-wannabe.

Herbal@manyposts

Without debating the motivations of your stance, it’s nonetheless obvious you are just like those managers in WTC Tower 2, who after realizing that a jetliner had crashed into Tower 1, said: “Nothing to worry about folks, just stay at your desks.” In hindsight we see that those managers weren’t evil – they were stupid and complacent about the pending disaster soon to engulf everyone.

Their mental models were compromized, like yours. They thought that the sprinkler systems would function adequately. Worst case, they thought the NYFD would come to their rescue. Those managers didn’t immediately recall that Ramsey Yousef (orchestrator of WTC Bombing #1)told John O’Neil (FBI AIC Counter-Terrorism who later “renditioned” him from Pakistan) that next time we’ll [AQ] use a bigger bomb. They were lulled into complacency, which in an actual crisis has proven to be anti-life.

Some here are less complacent about our present situation. So Herb, now we’ve identified a whole bunch of anti-Americans sawing at the ground-bolts that anchor the whole struture to the bed rock. Should we stay at our desks, even now, when it’s getting windy?

Naturally, you may continue to proselityze that we should all just be reasonable and let it fall; but you shouldn’t think you won’t ever have to find the nearest exit.

Mar 15, 2009 - 6:42 am 109. marymcl:

Oh Herb, snap out of it already. You’ve not answered a single argument, you just keep trying to get people to shut up about ideas that disturb you and making what you apparently consider unanswerable rejoinders to statements no-one has made. That’s what reactionaries do.

Maybe you need Total Gym for the mind or something. Moderate mush is the death of any free society. To quote the historian Barbara Tuchman (a life-long liberal BTW) “A nation with a consensus is a nation ready for the grave.”
If people didn’t argue “from the fringes” as you put it, there wouldn’t be any argument to begin with. We’d all just sit around congratulating ourselves on our collective poise.

You write -

“There are plenty of arguments to be made about the state of the world, plenty of valid criticisms to level at Barack Obama and his policies.”

Oh really? That’s pretty good coming from you. The only argument you’ve made here is that nobody should be having these thoughts or writing these words because everything looks the same in your neck of the woods and you can’t imagine it ever being otherwise.

For what it’s worth, I don’t believe secession is the answer, either, but you’d have to be pretty obtuse to not understand why people are talking about it. And according to the Constitution, people can talk about it all they want.

Free speech, Herb. It works for me, it works for you, it works for everyone else as well.

Mar 15, 2009 - 7:38 am 110. geoffgo:

fred@37

“Armed rebellion should be the absolute last resort to resolve a Constitutional crisis.”

How revolting. Self-fulfilling prophesy?

I for one don’t want it to be seen as the absolute last resort; I want the Left to know and act as if we’re READY, OUTRAGED, ARMED AND DANGEROUS! Their public acknowledgement can’t come too soon.

They need to urgently understand our STOP STEALING OR THE PENALTIES WILL BE SEVERE messages are sincere. Otherwise it’s all posturing on our part; right up to the final fight to the death that ends the individual freedoms we’ve come to enjoy, no matter the outcome of this battle. We’ve seen all this before.

Win or lose, the Left produces a single-party system. IE, if we win, we can’t allow this “disloyal opposition” a seat, ever again. To do so would be aiding and abetting the enemy again – masochism defined.

I read many eloquent, well-reasoned assessments; but NO discussion of what our single-party politics should look like, if we successfully halt the destructive forces arrayed against US. Let’s begin to describe what the unwinding must entail.

IOW, we need start yesterday, to explain to the Left exactly what we have in mind, as victors – to focus their minds – so to speak. Absent the explicit need to retreat, the Left proceeds apace, unbounded and unafraid, insuring our last stand is futile, dealt with quickly, decisively and sooner than we expect. Disarming, no?

It seems the Left will have to experience effective and motivated “comumunity organizing” by the producer class, or they won’t.

Mar 15, 2009 - 7:58 am 111. Oscar the Grump:

Marie Claude
I’d love to hide in your little place.

Mar 15, 2009 - 9:20 am 112. one of my own:

111 Oscar the Grump . . . Just like a Republican . . . always wrapped in your Freudian yearning to return to the womb. Forget the right to life, you should be fighting for the right to regress. (Really, that kind of latent repression is kind of creepy, don’t you think?)

Mar 15, 2009 - 10:17 am 113. one of my own:

Marc Malone (AKA Malvo the Cowardly Trunk Sniper) has a big idea. He wants to march on DC to demand a vault copy of Obama’s birth certificate. Wow! The genius of that idea is overwhelming. Think of it – dozens of middle-aged white people living on disability checks rolling onto The Mall chanting, “I’m an American. It says so right here!” . . . all of you waiving a photocopy of your birth certificate. “Here’s mine. Where’s yours?” . . . Stunning. Emotional. A powerful piece of political theater.

Of course, you’re all aware that the Supreme Court has already voiced its point of view on the veracity of this specious straw man – dismissing it out of hand. But hey, don’t let that stop you. Maybe while you’re there you can all dip your tea bags in the reflecting pool. Then it’s off to AppleBee’s for some of that delicious apple crisp before heading back to your doublewide to finish the bottom half of that bottle of Old Crow while you blog about how the movement “took another huge step forward today. It was amazing! You could see it in the eyes of the policeman sent to maintain security that he agreed with us. I’m sure we can count on him to turn and fire on his commander when the time is right.”

Goodnight, Gracey.

Mar 15, 2009 - 10:32 am 114. Mr Howell IV:

Anon#103:

Nicely done: I feel bad in a way, since my comments were obviously not intended for you or fiery Ms Rebel.

But if we sat next to the Yakima River, or on the fountain at the UW (used to be from there) and discussed politics, would you agree that is is more important for us and our children that the US deficit be contained, that oil and coal be found here, that violent criminals go to jail for ever, our colleges trim the weird pseudo “studies” courses, trim tuition and our military stay strong?

Or is is worth losing all of those to a democratically controlled congress run by people with no sense, because a sliver of the republican party wants to repeal Roe v Wade? That is a religious principle imposed over a political party, and has cost the republicans votes every election that might have made the difference. Even Justice Rehnquist has acknowledged that Roe is so much a part of US law, that repealing it would be hugely divisive.

Is it worth losing all those key issues to maintain federal pot raids when we could be treating and taxing pot like alcohol and, by legalizing it, cutting the rug out from underneath the drug dealers in one area anyway?

I respect your position, of course–how can I not? and I do not mean to offend: You seem like one of the truly decent ones doing what you can. But insisting on candidates that hew religious lines is costing the war. Christianity fractures itself over positions that seem quite important only to learned monks and literati and its last big fracture in the 1400-1500’s seems to have been for little that was really important. But now many are superimpsoing those principles on secular politics: imposing by law what they cannot convince people to do. The US is a religious country, but religious dictates ought not to be imposed under the law. Just dropping the ocnstant talk of overturning Roe would cement votes and lose nothing, as the chance of overturning Roe is miniscule.

This last election might have been won if we had more women, more black and more younger votes. And I think we could have had them.

best,

Mar 15, 2009 - 10:56 am 115. Oscar the Grump:

one of my own
I think that if you let go of one of your own, you would feel better.

By the way, I’ve never seen such a nonsensical line of sh*t in my life. What are you a first year psycology student. You’re pathetic. Oops, I’m really wounded. Help me somebody. He not only knows how to use a gun, he knows how to use words. Ouch!

By the way, this all explains why you have to use one of your own.

Mar 15, 2009 - 11:16 am 116. Lyddea:

SeniorD:

“Herb,

Ad hominem attacks are the sign of a lazy intellect.
…
Texans have a very strong Individualist mindset, something the Coastal Intellects vacationing on Martha’s Vineyard don’t comprehend.”

What can you say to that. It’s not a lazy intellect who can so blatantly contradict themselves so quickly, that’s something much much more.

Mar 15, 2009 - 12:19 pm 117. john from cinncinatti:

i agree about the, i’m tired of the thieves and scallywags giving our money away and the money we haven’t made yet. i don’t want to move to Texas, but lets get rid of some congressional scallywags first. maybe we can convince Iraq to invade us and get rid of our Hussein, don’t they owe us a favor? besides the CHINESE have already told President Barry to chill out with the negative vibes. Do you think the CHINESE weren’t behind G Dubya Bush, they were bankrolling him and the GWOT. The older commie heads are telling the new kid to cool his jets because the shit doesn’t work. we know this and the American Utopians don’t. Ayers you are a dumbshit and a hypocrite.

Mar 15, 2009 - 1:36 pm 118. geoffgo:

Howel4,

Or is is worth losing all of those to a democratically controlled congress run by people with no sense,

to a Democrat-controlled congress…and the rest of your sentence is redundant. B^)

because a sliver of the republican party wants to repeal Roe v Wade? That is a religious principle imposed over a political party, and has cost the republicans votes every election that might have made the difference.

As an aetheist, I couldn’t differ more. One has to be morally-depraved to think pre-meditated murder is a religious issue (just look at Islam). How does the “right to life, liberty and…escape you? Infanticide is foremost a political issue. Only the Left makes it a religious one.

I don’t want my taxes used to facilitate killing the unborn, even if the majority votes to permit it. In this case, the majority enables homicidal mania, and I don’t care what religious convictions you hold or don’t; it’s morally reprehensible position to espouse. I’m not calling for an end to abortion, I’m calling for an end to the gov’t subsidy.

Until you understand that the Left is willing to terminate you and yours (if necessary) to impose their repressive system, you won’t understand why conservatives see “abortion issues as the govt’s first demonstration of that willingness. 50 million of US so far.

Next – eugenics – hastening the death of the elderly – who are clearly unproductive, and cost an inordinate amount medically. Next – those with special needs. And, then Obama’s mentor Ayers stated that as many as 25 million US citizens may need to be eliminated. When does a moral person draw the line?

Mar 15, 2009 - 1:47 pm 119. one of my own:

115 Oscar the Gramps . . . There’s a strain of neo-con perversity that seems to run just below the surface a lot on this board, what with Bilgeman’s continual references to gloryholes and dishwasher safe rubber sex toys . . . and now with your, “I’d love to hide in your little place.”

All right, I’m open to explanations . . . what gives?

As for the user name, I’m not sure how “Oscar the Grump” offers any more visibility into your identity than my choice.

Mar 15, 2009 - 2:10 pm 120. Marc Malone:

#114 Mr. Howell IV – That Anonymous was me. Oops. I was responding to your post mentioning me.

Mar 15, 2009 - 2:36 pm 121. Squeegie:

Is no one here acquainted with hyperbole, which is exaggeration for the purpose of effect? Mr. Norris is simply employing a vehicle used by the left all the time, who exaggerate numbers, severity of any given situation, incompetence of perceived rivals, etc ad nauseum to cause folks to buy into their way of thinking. I doubt he has designs on the state of Texas other than to use its history to support his view that the country is headed in a really screwy direction.

Mar 15, 2009 - 2:57 pm 122. Marc Malone:

#114 Mr Howell IV – I think the abortion issue is a moral issue for all, not just a religious one. I agree, however, that we should not jam our values down peoples’ throats by trying to stack the courts. However mind you, that’s what the Left did with Roe v Wade. Justice Bader-Ginsburg, while pro-abortion, opposes Roe v Wade. She believes that the court should not have ruled on it (Separation of Powers, States Rights).

My opinion is that the Culture War is a long one. You can’t really force these things. Slavery was an issue at the time of the writing of the Constitution. It gained momentum over the years. The Civil War “decided” the issue, but not really. It took a hundred years of slavery-lite before it ended with the civil rights movement. Even still, the minds of blacks have been shackled with the ideas of affirmative action and entitlements. Too many are simply dependence-minded, made so by the same people who gave us slavery-lite.

Abortion will follow the same course. It was “decided” by Roe v Wade, but obviously, there is still tremendous opposition. Perhaps eventually, it will be widely accepted, or perhaps it will get reversed. There are signs of the latter, as the price of it is becoming more clear. Technology (ultrasounds) has helped, too. Perhaps we will one day be able to measure the brainwaves of fetuses and that will end it.

We shouldn’t abandon our principles, just because it drives some people away. That is just surrender. What we should do is make them secondary issues. Understate them. Make them part of a long war. The focus should be on education, not regulation. Low-key, ideological guerilla-warfare.

Mar 15, 2009 - 3:00 pm 123. Venham:

I guess none of the Obama fans care to discuss his idea for an American gestapo/internal security force.That says alot.

Mar 15, 2009 - 3:24 pm 124. roy hillyard:

i do belive chuck norris is if the goverment does not stand up the pepole than we shall rise up for ourselves and ore rights.

Mar 15, 2009 - 3:48 pm 125. fred:

Marc Malone,

I am with you completely in your last post. The way to deal with the perception of the Republican Party as the anti-abortion party is to make abortion a secondary issue. Not jettison it. The courts are not going to reverse Roe v. Wade anyway. Even a conservative court. My ethical reasoning and my religious convictions (which are both complicated on this issue)are in accord, with a slight proviso for saving the life of the mother if she truly is in danger, that using abortion as a means of birth control or for eugenics is morally reprehensible. That the majority of single women and men in this country would vote for someone because he will fully, federally fund infanticide is a sad commentary on the moral and intellectual condition of the nation.

No court or congress can remedy this condition. No election can fix it. The hostility of the multitudes of our young towards all legitimate and humane religions is palpable. Only when the hearts of stone are turned to hearts of flesh, and people gain maturity in wisdom will this condition be reversed.

To geoffgo in his response to my post: war is serious business. I never served in a combat MOS back when I was in the Army (‘73-’76). I did meet and get to know nco’s and officers who did tours in the Republic of Vietnam. They wore the yellow and red service ribbon for that tour and they wore the horizontal blue with musket Combat Infantryman Badge. Some of them have killed other men and have seen their own men killed and wounded. It’s an ugly business, which is why it must be the means of last resort. I know two Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. The Army captain I know did tours in both places. Both have seen men die. And they’ve seen civilians die too. You don’t unleash the dogs of war, especially civil war, until all other options have been exhausted. Because that kind of war is always the worst kind.

I have no problem taking my place in line if it ever comes to that. I suppose old farts like me can perform some kind of duties. But more than anything else, I’m concerned that the kind of enemy we face goes way beyond a government and heads of state. This war is profoundly ideological and shows no sign of letting up. This enemy can morph into anything he chooses to call himself. He is most rooted in media and education.

Short of war, we conservatives have got to come to grips with this and wage a long war against these followers of Antonio Gramsci, Marx, Habermas, Marcuse, and Adorno.

And if we did have a rebellion, one of the things that has to be done in its wake is a total overhaul of the education system. Because a complete lack of balance has turned history, government, and cultural studies into indoctrination processes, this will have to change. Students must be allowed full academic free speech rights. Disagreeing with a professor cannot be grounds for receiving unfair grades or treatment. Critiques of socialism must be allowed, not forbidden on pain of receiving a poor grade. Professors and teachers who are professed “progressives” must build into their courses opposing viewpoints. Those educators who refuse to get with the program will be fired and maybe even exiled. All philosophies must be looked at fully, for their positive and negative effects on history and societies. This is the only way to get a handle on this insidious process that is hollowing out the nation.

Mar 15, 2009 - 5:36 pm 126. Kirly:

#56 Randy Sexer said ” Bloods and Crips have more respect for each other than self-identified liberals and conservatives do in this country”

You don’t know any Bloods or Crips, do you? Since I grew up among them, I’ll just politely say you’re full of it.

Mar 15, 2009 - 6:00 pm 127. Kirly:

#60 stuart williamson sai “Thich is precisely why everyone on the right should be shouting“SOCIALISM” and bandoning “leftist”, “liberal” “collective” and “Progressive”.”

indeed.

in fact, i plan to call the white house comment line and leave a single word message… “SOCIALIST!”

better yet, how about this message instead? “Socialist? of course we know you’re not a socialist. we’re all very aware that you’re a Marxist through and through.”

Mar 15, 2009 - 6:04 pm 128. Oscar the Grump:

One of my own
You sick pervert, I’d never have anything to do with your little place. That was part of a private conversation between Marie Claude and me. It needs no other explanation.

On the other hand, I don’t know what Bilgeman is offering you. If you’re that interested you should contact him.

Now let’s discuss your preverse pleasure in prevertion. How long has that been going on? Does your mother know about it? She might spank you if she did. Or maybe you need to use the restroom in the Minneapolis airport terminal. Maybe you should find other interests, bowling is good, but don’t get too excited when you knock over the pins. It’ll tip everyone.

Have a good day and continue to be PC on your PC.

Mar 15, 2009 - 6:04 pm 129. Oscar the Grump:

fred
abortion:
This is the one issue that probably cost the Republicans the election. Palin was the women’s hero until she opened her mouth about abortion. Most of the women in this country feel that they the right to say what happens to their bodies, not anyone else. Their hero Clinton was defeated and they were leaderless. They went to the only person who seemed willing to guarantee their rights. This election wasn’t decided by the Democrats or the Republicans. It was decided by the women in the middle many of whom are independents.

If the Republican party had played their cards right, McCain would be in the White House now not Obama. They blew it. Every time abortion is going to be brought up and the Republicans stand against it, they will lose. Its time that the party permanently table this discussion and focus on the more important issues ie. the economy, foreign policy. Women were given the right to vote, the right to choose. Leave it alone.

You are absolutely right about secession. Tearing this country apart over a one term President is not the answer. We are all feeling this pent up frustration, it doesn’t have to turn to rage. Channel your energies toward the next election and start taking back our government. Obama is already tripping because of his appointments. Nobody wants to be his Sec. of Treasury, that’s unheard of. That used to be the easiest plum position one could have. The Freeman fiasco disclosed his real politics. Afganistan is becoming Obama’s Iraq. Our position there becomes less tenable every day. All our enemies are conspiring to make us withdraw from there with our collective tails between our legs.

Its just a matter of time. Our only worry is how much damage can this administration inflict on this nation in the mean time. Is the damage going to be too great for us to fix? Will the Obama administration leave this nation too weak to defend itself? Can our economy make a recovery?

Mar 15, 2009 - 8:06 pm 130. mike:

Chuck Norris is my President!

Mar 15, 2009 - 8:22 pm 131. J Marshall:

Bob deems that Chuck is worthy of criticsim for his use of the expression “cell groups”. But the term “cell group” is in common use among evangelical Christians – of which Norris is one – in reference to small home gatherings for the purpose of Bible study, prayer and fellowship.

In fact, Beck is encouraging the creation of small groups not merely for the purpose of viewing his shows, but to discuss political issues. And to generate such dialogue Beck recommended two books that members might read and discuss one of which, if I remember correctly, was “The Real George Washington”.

Personally, I think that Norris’ terminology was valid.

Mar 15, 2009 - 9:18 pm 132. fred:

Oscar the Grump,

Can a Republican candidate have views like mine on abortion, but be permitted to keep them low key and private, while saying that they will not (and, realistically they cannot)do away with a woman’s right to an abortion? I happen to be pro-choice, but also generally negative towards abortion as a means of birth control. SCOTUS is not going to change the law anyway, and anyone who puts out there the scare tactic that it will be changed is being very, very dishonest. And doing so quite deliberately in order to scare women. Anyway, I did state that the issue should be on the back burner.

I know my views are not going to change most women’s on the subject. My wife, by the way, is not quite as conservative as I am on this subject, but she knows I would never change the law. There is a reason for that. I know of two REAL cases of women who did abort their pregnancy because of the very high likelihood that the pregnancy was going to do them in. Husbands said, “I want to save my wife.” Even the priest said the same. That’s why I would keep it legal. Law does not do ethics with subtlety. The law is not generally amenable to flexible application.

I am entirely in favor of keeping religious laws out of the nation’s laws, except in the case of murder, rape, and theft, which even the most hardened anti-theists would probably consent to.

I will say one thing in defense of Sarah Palin, and then I will be done. She never said she would seek the repeal of Roe v. Wade. That woman is smart enough to realize the same things I’ve outlined. However, the slime media went to work on her and created an impression about her that played right into the fears of young, single women – who were the demographic that was largely responsible for putting Obama over the top.

However, I will accuse them of extreme selfishness and immorality. They allowed their very narrow concerns to override many important ones that cover a range of subject areas from foreign policy to defense policy to economic policy.

Believe it or not, there was a time over two decades ago, when I was a Leftist, that I reasoned about the issue of life in the same way these young women do. But gradually, in stages, over the years I began to read books and articles of a very intense philosophical nature concerning the ethics about life and when it begins. I have come around to a more traditional position, albeit with a few modifications. While this may be a “settled” matter in the minds of maybe most Americans, I can assure you that many are deprived of very necessary intellectual positions that shatter some very facile opinions.

Only recently have I added a new reflection on why socialism fails and why it is an immoral system (I think I’ve earned the right to critique socialism, seeing that I used to be a socialist at one time): it utterly disrespects life. It has no regard for life, hence no regard for human liberty. It accuses the capitalists of the very thing it does most fundamentally: the reification of the human being.

Mar 15, 2009 - 10:40 pm 133. geoffgo:

Oscar@128

I believe everyone here understands the current position of women vis a vis “their bodies.”
Course that intellectual stance doesn’t get much support re: prostitution, sex trade, women of Islam, etc.

And more to the point, that 60’s NOW-inspired “women’s right” continues to dilute the concepts of paternal rights, marriage bonds, parental and paternal responsibility, and the innate value-of-life, no? It’s a philosophical tenent based on death…not good for the survival of our society demographically speaking, either.

Mar 15, 2009 - 11:38 pm 134. one of my own:

128 OTG . . . Let’s be clear, I never suggested anything about that little place being mine, regardless of how much you would like it to be. And now you add spanking to the litany of licentiousness? Wow, the river runs deeper than you had previously let on. As for airport bathrooms, I believe that’s a Republican technique, one that still didn’t rise to the level of dismissal by fellow Repubs. So, you know, there’s that.

Mar 16, 2009 - 5:27 am 135. The Shadow:

Let face it Chuck Norris is a moron

Mar 16, 2009 - 6:49 am 136. Paul -Indiana:

See #123. Venham:I guess none of the Obama fans care to discuss his idea for an American gestapo/internal security force.That says alot.
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Can we all say ‘religious police’?

Mar 16, 2009 - 7:56 am 137. COL.SEBASTIAN MORAN:

YES WE DID
#8
CUT THE CRAP – OBUMA IS A USURPER, POSEUR, EMPTY SUIT AND ANY OF A NUMBER OF OTHER DESCRIPTIVE ADJECTIVES; NONE OF WHICH WOULD BE LAUDATORY. HE’S A ONE TERM INCOMPETENT – AND WILL BE DUMPED ONTO THE SH**HEAP OF HISTORY WHERE HE SO RIGHTFUILLY BELONGS. SORRY TOPSY, THE MESSIAH IS NOT ABOUT TO PAY FOR YOUR GASOLINE OR MORTGAGE…YOU AND HE ARE BOTH LOSERS

Mar 16, 2009 - 11:18 am 138. Oscar the Grump:

Socialism in itself is not a bad system. All you have to do is look at the kibuttizm in Israel. It works there. The Socialism that you are witnessing here is much more of the Stalinist verity where human life is just a commodity. It would take what you have earned and redistribute it. In a country where so much of it is on the dole, it would be impossible to earn enough to support those “disenfrachised”. We have already seen what the current attempt in housing caused. We’ll be paying for it for many years.

As for female equality, I have two daughters and I am happy to see that they can earn what they truly deserve. The women’s lib movement hasn’t been bad, yes at times its been uncomfortable. However, it has spawned some really left wing ladies. There are many conservative ladies who will defend the right to abortion to the death. Other than this topic, they are more in line with us than the Democrats. Why keep this topic? Its only a cross to hang our collective selves on and give the democrats another victory and that’s one thing this country can’t afford.

Another point, here in California, we figured out that this state would not be in financial trouble had we been rid of all our illegal aliens. The cost of carrying them is bankrupting this state and nobody wants to address it. They come across the border and have an anchor baby. After that the whole family is in and living on the dole. When you drive through one of their neighborhoods you see the mamazitas leading their brood to school. The sheer number of babies they have is frightening. Its not uncommon to see one lead from 5 to 7 children.
They seem to have no trouble “paying” for all those mouths to feed. They live in subsidized rentals, their children’s education is paid for, the children receive two meals a day at school, they get food stamps and other subsidies. The children get free health insurance. Now California must look at the Latino vote without it you don’t get elected.

Mar 16, 2009 - 11:57 am 139. Someone75:

Actually, it’s the GOP who are wandering around like lost sheep. Where’s your shepherd? Oh, that’s right – you don’t have one because your party is self-destructing. Oops.

Mar 16, 2009 - 1:21 pm 140. Thomas Jackson:

139:

Obama goes bleat and all the lemming bleat.

Rev Wright says God damn America and all the little Stalinists just do what they’ve been doing for years.

Obama, what a smirking chimp. Any bets on his re-election? Looks like a landslide even if he runs against a loser like McCain. The American people aren’t so dull as to be fooled by a Marxist twice.

Mar 16, 2009 - 3:24 pm 141. Ole Miss Rebel:

Someone75,
I think you better worry about your demorats and your fearless loser I mean leader. I don’t think it is my party that can’t get their acts together. Your leader can’t even seat a cabinet unless he loads it up with tax cheats and God knows what else. The demorats better start looking for real work cause 2010 and 2012 are coming.

Go stick your head back in the sand or go get another cup of nobama kool-aid.

Mar 16, 2009 - 4:21 pm 142. one of my own:

This is good, trust me . . .

128. Oscar the Grump: writes to me about some wisecrack I made, “You sick pervert, I’d never have anything to do with your little place. That was part of a private conversation between Marie Claude and me.”

Is that great or what? A private conversation on a blog. It boggles the mind. Sorry, Oscar, but you may haver just disqualified yourself. We’ll see.

Mar 16, 2009 - 6:30 pm 143. Tennwriter:

Across the board conservatism includes standing against murdering babies. If you won’t stand against that, then what will you stand for? Remember the Whigs, reasonable business supporting guys who wanted to get along and refused to take a position on slavery.

They got replaced by the Republicans.

We are the party founded on the belief that people are people and not Soylent Green.

As to secesssion….

1.Whoever secedes first has a big disadvantage. Its like football where you try to get the other team to jump the line first and go offside. The military is more likely to suppport the side that can claim to be the loyal government of the US of A.

2. Yeah, the liberals don’t have guns, but they are still Americans. You think they won’t fight because they were against fighting terrorists, but that was not out of fear. It was of hatred.

In the Civil War both sides thought they’d be home by Christmas when it started.

3. The thing I most worry about is the scenario outlined by Joe Haldeman, SF author, in Downbelow Twenty. The rich decided to zap everyone else on the planet with a virus (the rich had received a medical treatment that made them different enough to be safe). So in one night, the rich got rid of everyone who threatened them.

I could see the Left doing this.

There was that nutbar a couple years ago who as he was recieving an award for science (and getting applauded) as he told them of the need for an airborne ebola virus to kill 90% of humans.

4. I also expect that unless things are handled smoothly (and they won’t be) that nuclear weapons would be used.

The level of hatred is only going to go up. But if we show ourselves ready and hardnosed, we can get through this without mass bloodshed. The Left has to be broken, like the Communists were, and in the end, we can hope for a Velvet Revolution in law rather than nuclear fireballs rising over American cities.

Mar 16, 2009 - 7:40 pm 144. Oscar the Grump:

One of my own
There are private moments on a public blog. You’d have to be into women to understand. Laugh if you must, but don’t make fun of my love for Marie Claude.

Mar 16, 2009 - 7:43 pm 145. Oscar the Grump:

Tennwriter
Put very well.

Mar 16, 2009 - 8:23 pm 146. Saul A:

one of my own and Oscar:

if you two are done thumping your intellectual chests like two sumo here, please be sure to connect on a newer topic. Watching you two go at it is better than watching Pelto try to explain how he saved Oregon from a “major” eartquake. The two of you ought to do your own show.

Tennwriter: i think you got some baaad stuff dude. Go sleep it off and put away those survivalist boooks. The USA wil be here as quarrelsome as ever when all the crabby countries today are dust.

The level of hatred is not going to go up because sensible people of all colors religions etc will revert back to a presidential republican….if only we can find one to vote for. But like the Dems in 2000 and 2004, we came up with a rather uninspiring brand last time. Hopefully not again.

Oh…and no all conservatives do not embrace a return to the pre-Roe v. Wade days and do not consider you to be the arbiter of what a conservative is. I’m a lot more concerned about other things. Oscar TG is right about this and frankly, I am sick of religious pot bangers, pew squatters and whatnot insisting that the GOP has to embrace their firery certainty. I don’t think you guys have anywhere else to go and your one issue life is ruining the republican party.

Mar 16, 2009 - 8:58 pm 147. James Just:

Socialism as a utopia works only if all its members agree to living by those personal and economic constraints. The Kibbutzim in Israel have essentially phased out their socialist industry and have transformed themselves into capitalism. The kibbutzim are a commune where nothing is owned and no-one can rise higher than anyone else. That’s why only die-hards stay in kibbutz. Kibbutz have always been a voluntary enterprise. Without volunteers (Jews and Christians are the personnel) their industries would not have survived so well. Socialism is Communism without guns. (JJ2005)There is a thin line between communism and fascism, they are hard to differentiate because both are synthesis of each other.

Mar 17, 2009 - 12:27 am 148. Nine-of-Diamonds:

“Oh…and no [sic] all conservatives do not embrace a return to the pre-Roe v. Wade days and do not consider you to be the arbiter of what a conservative is. ”

Dang, Axelrod must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel. We deserve a better class of “Moby” lifelong Republican here – I honestly feel cheated.

Mar 17, 2009 - 1:13 am 149. Stew:

I enjoyed the article due to its understanding of the real trip wire. Nothing causes more angry frustration than disenfrancisement by an arrogant winner. I was once taught that the majority has three basic principles that must not be violated. One, everyone has a right to be heard. Two, everyone has a right to be understood. Three the majority must always protect the right of the minority to be heard and understood. This guided our Republic for many years but some where along the way we ceased to protect. In the absence of a mechanism for slow relief, the failure to assure these three rights always leads to violent actions such as tossing tea into Boston Harbor, rebelling over the right to make whiskey, the Texas revolution, the Civil War, the march of WWI veterans for their FDR promised benefits, the Viet Nam protest, and now we see these small Tea Parties. It always amazes me how humans never learn what history teaches over and again. It is best said by the poet, “The strongest of storms is annouced by the smallest of clouds.

Mar 17, 2009 - 6:41 am 150. Spurwing Plover:

Liberal leftists want to make america into a communists nation why else is hollyweird making all these crappy movies and why else would they blow away all that tax money to erect a statue of the infamous CHE GUEVERA in CENTRAL PARK why else was a gutter scum like BARACK OBAMA elected ITS PART OF THE VAST LEFT-WING CONSPERACY AGAINST AMERICA BY DIRTY ROTTEN COMMIE SCUMBALLS

Mar 17, 2009 - 8:24 am 151. Marie Claude:

Oscar, and people would wonder why I can rely on you ? they’ll never understand true love

Mar 17, 2009 - 10:10 am 152. Pat J:

Can anyone really take Chuck Norris even remotely seriously? Lousy actor. Right wing gun nut. Hangs out with Glenn Beck. I mean really.

Mar 17, 2009 - 1:15 pm 153. mike:

Adolf Hitler was elected by a democratic government. Let us not forget that. Socialism is here. It’s not coming, it’s here. Obama’s thugocracy has started to lay down the law by levying a 90% tax on a group of 1,000 people?
I believe we all need to go back to our 6th grade history books (pre-1990’s as history was re-written by the radical left at that time), and remember why we have our flag.
What do the Stars represent?
What do the stripes represent and why are they red and white?
What does the blue field for the stars mean?

Come on.

I served in the military. I swore to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign AND domestic. I look at Washington and I see nothing but domestic enemies. People so corrupted on both sides of the spectrum, that something needs to be done. A revolution will occur before Obama is out of office. I can see that happening. It’s only been 60 days and already there is the buzz of revolution. 305 more for his first year.

Mar 21, 2009 - 10:29 am