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	<title>Comments on: Clinton, Obama Face Off in Texas</title>
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		<title>By: Judy Dieter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Dieter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check your facts.  Before we invaded, Al Queda was isolated in Iraq in the Kurdish zones where Saddam Hussein couldn&#039;t touch them.  They only grew in strength in Iraq after we invaded.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check your facts.  Before we invaded, Al Queda was isolated in Iraq in the Kurdish zones where Saddam Hussein couldn&#8217;t touch them.  They only grew in strength in Iraq after we invaded.</p>
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		<title>By: Noga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watch the debates as a bystander from the Great North and I think it is great theatre. here&#039;s what I think about Clinton&#039;s Xerox comment:



Plagiarism is dishonest on two levels. On the one level, academic strictness in punishing plagiarists is based on the claim that it is tantamount to a theft. The property being stolen is the product of the intellectual acumen and efforts of an individual mind. The person whose work is being plagiarised is actually a victim of an academic transgression.



On the second level, less onerous culpability is displayed in terms of the seriousness of the offence, the fact that by plagiarising someone else&#039;s words, one misrepresents him/herself to a readership or audience. He/she uses another person&#039;s beautiful and effective creation in order to elicit admiration and accord to him or herself.



I say this is the lesser of the two evils of plagiarism because I expect the audience, any audience, to listen and assess a speaker&#039;s words with some degree of personal responsibility and cognition. If a person uses another&#039;s words to create an effect, then he is not the only one dancing this tango. The audience being influenced is at least an equal partner, complicit no less in its eagerness to be swayed in a certain way.

Last night&#039;s debate between Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama came up to this issue. She was booed by the audience and excoriated by the media pundits for explaining why she thought Obama&#039;s use of another man&#039;s words is the same as xeroxing a brilliant message.



There is no question that Obama is clear of the first count of the plagiarism charge. He was not only allowed but actually given these words by the person who originally articulated them. There was no theft involved between the two. It was an exchange of gifts between friends. Nevertheless, Obama is not completely innocent of the fraud charge because he relayed these words to an audience, leaving them with the impression that these clever and incisive words were the product of his own intellect.



That&#039;s what Clinton was trying to express last night without actually resorting to such a harsh word like &quot;fraud&quot;. She failed to fully explain her misgiving by not holding the receiving audience at least as equally to blame. The booing that followed her remark was a perfect illustration of how willing that audience was to be duped.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watch the debates as a bystander from the Great North and I think it is great theatre. here&#8217;s what I think about Clinton&#8217;s Xerox comment:</p>
<p>Plagiarism is dishonest on two levels. On the one level, academic strictness in punishing plagiarists is based on the claim that it is tantamount to a theft. The property being stolen is the product of the intellectual acumen and efforts of an individual mind. The person whose work is being plagiarised is actually a victim of an academic transgression.</p>
<p>On the second level, less onerous culpability is displayed in terms of the seriousness of the offence, the fact that by plagiarising someone else&#8217;s words, one misrepresents him/herself to a readership or audience. He/she uses another person&#8217;s beautiful and effective creation in order to elicit admiration and accord to him or herself.</p>
<p>I say this is the lesser of the two evils of plagiarism because I expect the audience, any audience, to listen and assess a speaker&#8217;s words with some degree of personal responsibility and cognition. If a person uses another&#8217;s words to create an effect, then he is not the only one dancing this tango. The audience being influenced is at least an equal partner, complicit no less in its eagerness to be swayed in a certain way.</p>
<p>Last night&#8217;s debate between Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama came up to this issue. She was booed by the audience and excoriated by the media pundits for explaining why she thought Obama&#8217;s use of another man&#8217;s words is the same as xeroxing a brilliant message.</p>
<p>There is no question that Obama is clear of the first count of the plagiarism charge. He was not only allowed but actually given these words by the person who originally articulated them. There was no theft involved between the two. It was an exchange of gifts between friends. Nevertheless, Obama is not completely innocent of the fraud charge because he relayed these words to an audience, leaving them with the impression that these clever and incisive words were the product of his own intellect.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what Clinton was trying to express last night without actually resorting to such a harsh word like &#8220;fraud&#8221;. She failed to fully explain her misgiving by not holding the receiving audience at least as equally to blame. The booing that followed her remark was a perfect illustration of how willing that audience was to be duped.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo Vos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the outside, it was remarkable that Hillary still lives in Xerox times, while most of the US is living in Internet times. Has she missed something ?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the outside, it was remarkable that Hillary still lives in Xerox times, while most of the US is living in Internet times. Has she missed something ?</p>
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