I don’t know Swedish, and I doubt you do either. In that case, you are telling me that the “right tool” is to believe translations of Swedish tabloids by sites such as “Jihad Watch.” I do not consider this the “right tool.” This issue does not exist outside of far-right wing blogs. It is fabricated.

You say Lexis Nexis is the wrong tool. However, you can find any story you like in English language papers when you search Lexis Nexis worldwide. Here’s one:

“Swedish prosecutors have filed rape and murder charges against a truck driver who allegedly confessed to killing a girl this year and a woman in 2000. Police arrested Anders Eklund…”
Associated Press Worldstream
July 18, 2008 Friday 8:47 AM GMT
Swedish man charged with rape and murder of 10-year-old girl
SECTION: INTERNATIONAL NEWS

Why is it that I can find and read about a truck driver raping a girl in Sweden, but when there is an epidemic of rape by Muslims in Sweden, it goes unreported? Does this go back to the conspiracy theory? Here are some more stories about containing the term “rape” and “Sweden”:

UPI
October 12, 2007 Friday 12:57 PM EST
Swedish boy claims rape by girl gang

Agence France Presse — English
February 12, 2008 Tuesday 10:00 PM GMT
Chilean tenor sentenced for rape in Sweden

“A Swedish taxi driver who thought he was witnessing an attempted rape ran over the alleged assailant, who turned out to be the woman’s boyfriend…”
UPI
March 4, 2007 Sunday 6:31 PM EST
Cabbie thinks he sees rape, rams boyfriend

Associated Press Online
June 26, 2007 Tuesday 6:00 PM GMT
Sweden OKs Prison Porn for Rape Convicts

Thai Press Reports
June 9, 2008 Monday
THAILAND SWEDE SUSPECTED OF FIVE YEAR OLD RAPE IN THAILAND

UPI
October 3, 2007 Wednesday 12:21 PM EST
Sweden clears man of rape while asleep

Rapes in Sweden, and rapes by Swedes in other non-English speaking countries such as Thailand, are reported in the English language press. There are zero stories about a rape problem in Sweden involving Muslims. I cannot understand why they would ignore a rape epidemic. I did find one story about Muslims gang raping a woman, but it was in Pakistan:

“Four Pakistani men were hanged Thursday for gang-raping a Christian woman at gunpoint during a 1999 robbery, a jail official said.”

The Associated Press
June 29, 2006 Thursday 3:23 PM GMT
4 Muslim men hanged in Pakistan for gang-raping Christian woman
BYLINE: By KHALID TANVEER, Associated Press Writer

There is no rape epidemic by Muslims in Sweden. I cannot tell you how hilarious it is for you to tell me how I am brainwashed when you get your news from “Jihad Watch.”

And this is your problem, you’re using the wrong tool in the wrong way.

Most of the articles will be in Swedish, rape is a local affair that rarely makes it into the international press. The information is all out there, if you dare to look at reality.

“You have been claiming over and over that the causative effect is ‘occupation’. That occupation causes suicide bombing. For causation you need not only that there is a correlation between where there is an occupation and suicide bombing – which there isn’t one – but also where there isn’t occupation there shouldn’t be suicide bombing. Neither are correlated…He also gets he correlation by only looking at conflicts where suicide bombing has occurred – ie a classic case of selection bias.”

Danny. Pape looked at 58 cases overall. Seven cases were conflicts where suicide bombing has occurred, and 51 were conflicts where suicide bombing has not occurred. You say Pape didn’t address conflicts where suicide bombing had not occurred, when in reality he looked at 51 of these cases. Either you haven’t read the book, or you’re stupid.

“Rebellion doesn’t equal ‘occupation.’”

Yes, Danny. Nobody ever said that. Maybe you should actually read the book. Rebellion is a possible response to occupation. Pape’s definitions of occupation are drawn from international law, and his discussion of it is too long to quote here. It starts on page 83, if you ever decide to read the book.

“you need to throw in a religious difference to get the correlation.”

Pape did not “throw in” religious difference. Religious difference is an integral part of Pape’s theory. It is one of the two independent variables. Relgious difference, as I have said, is a measure of the “difference” of the two groups (occupied and occupier) in what Pape terms an “alien” occupation. Things like linguistic difference can also be used to measure this, but linguistic difference is not as strong of an identifier as religion, and Pape argues this quite convincingly. Once again, “religious difference” is what is necessary for the correlation, and not the “presence of Islam.” There is no correlation between the presence of Islam and suicide bombing.

“’rebellion’ and ‘religious difference’ are fairly loose definitions”

Pape defines rebellion on page 98 as “any organized resistance by a militant group beyond political protests or other forms of non-violent civil disobedience.” The definition does not need to be any clearer. There are 58 cases considered by Pape. Each are classified as to whether or not a rebellion is present. Please tell me which case you disagree with regarding the rebellion classification.

Religious identification is a variable that is used in countless social psychology experiments. If you are saying all these studies are invalid because religion is too loose of a definition, then I think you should write a paper on it. If you make a good case for throwing out hundreds of studies done over the years for this reason, I think you would become a famous researcher. Here’s your chance. Pape uses standard list of religious identification for his study, like countless studies before him. 80 percent of the world population identifies with one of 12 primary religions. The addition of several secondary religions was also considered, but doing so had no effect of the study’s results.

“A car bomb where the driver drives the car bomb into a group of people and doesn’t expect to survive the explosion isn’t a suicide bombing?”

The driver did not drive the car into a group of people. It is true the the Evening standard reference I quoted said that “The bomb went off when a booby-trapped car rammed two parked buses full of soldiers.” There are always conflicting accounts the day something happens. It is obvious however, that this account is in error. If you ram a bus full of people with a car that then explodes. There will be deaths. The Jerusalem Post had a much more detailed account of what happened, and their account makes it clear why nobody died:

“The driver parked between two Egged buses, one carrying soldiers, the other on a regular passenger route. Most of the 50 or more soldiers and passengers were off the buses and were standing around the service counter.”

When it said “the driver parked between two Egged buses,” that implies something different than what you said, which is “the driver drives the car bomb into a group of people.” Parking your car between two empty buses is different than driving you car into a group of people. Even the Evening Standard article I quoted did not say that the car drove into a group of people. This is pure fabrication by yourself. The car was parked between two empty buses. The bomb went off between two empty buses. Nobody was killed because the soldiers were inside the cafeteria when the bomb went off. Reread this four times, then try responding.

“did you read the Mofa website? Is reading not one of your skills? Read the title again… It puts a date on when it is counting from.”

The title of the MOFA website is “Suicide and Other Bombing Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993).” The “Camera” list you quote lists 7 suicide attacks in 1993. You are claiming that MOFA prepared a comprehensive list of dozens of suicide over the last 14 years, up to the present date, but decided to leave off the first few. Pretty stupid. Danny, 6 out of the seven suicide attacks on the Camera list are after September, 1993.

TELL ME, WHY ARE THESE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MOFA SITE?

MOFA picked September 1993 as their starting point because that is when the DOP was signed. This list includes all suicide bombings. If the camera list were correct, 6 of them should be on the MOFA list. They are not. Do you know why? Because they are not suicide bombings. A highly biased third-rate organization like Camera can get away with making the claim that these incidents were suicide bombings, but an official organization like MOFA, while obviously biased as well, has to try and retain some semblance of objectivity. This is why they don’t make the ridiculous claim the incidents on the Camera list were suicide bombings.

You quote Pape – “both a ***religious difference*** AND ***rebellion***”. Rebellion doesn’t equal “occupation” and you need to throw in a religious difference to get the correlation. I doubt there is even a correlation with those effects, as “rebellion” and “religious difference” are fairly loose definitions. Do the Islamists and a socialist government in Algeria have a “religious difference” even though they are technically both Muslims? Do socialist PLO and socialist Israeli Labour have a “religious difference”? He also gets he correlation by only looking at conflicts where suicide bombing has occurred – ie a classic case of selection bias. What he actually saying is that ideological difference and a rebellion are necessary but not sufficient reasons for suicide bombing.

A car bomb where the driver drives the car bomb into a group of people and doesn’t expect to survive the explosion isn’t a suicide bombing? Or are you claiming the person driving the car full of explosives into a group of people was expecting the people around him to die but he was going to survive? Are you really that desperate to “prove” your point? Ok, then I guess we can start dramatically cut down the number of suicide bombers.

Erm, did you read the Mofa website? Is reading not one of your skills? Read the title again… It puts a date on when it is counting from.

PS mean Pape, not Ilan Pappe – who I would never seriously quote as a reference. It must be a Freudian slip because I am dealing with anti-Semite pretending to be some objection to “occupation” usually quotes frauds like Pappe or Chomsky or Cole.

Boys, I think we’re witnessing Obama’s “50 State Strategy” in action. Way to win over them Red States – keep it up.

I don’t use Google much. I have access to Lexis Nexis, and I use that. Lexis Nexis is a database of thousands of newspapers, magazines, transcripts, etc. from around the world. I did a worldwide search over the last 2 years for any article that contains the following 3 words: Muslim, rape, sweden (the search engine finds forms of words – “rape” will find “raped”). The search found a total of zero articles that speaks of the issue you bring up. I guess there is a worldwide conspiracy to keep this issue a secret, and only websites like “Jihad Watch” know about it.

If you read Pape, you read this on page 99:

“The nationalist theory of suicide terrorism predicts that suicide terrorism would occure in tandem with only one of the combinations of independent variables-that is, when there is both a religious difference and rebellion. This theory correctly predicts 49 of 58 cases, a result that is statistically significant at the highest common benchmark of .001, meaning that it could be achieved by chance less than once in 1000 times.”

There IS A CORRELATION. It is amazing that you say you read this and claim there is not a correlation. Commonly, in social experiments, a p value of 0.05 is considered statistically significant, and indicates a correlation, Pape’s theory is over 50 times stronger than this benchmark. A p value of .001 is commonly used in medicinal experiments, where absolute accuracy is required. P values of this level allow companies to say that Lipitor lowers cholesterol, or that cigarettes cause cancer. If you believe Papes’s theory is incorrect and that there is no correlation, maybe you also believe that drugs don’t work and that cigarettes do not cause cancer. I would not be surprised if this were the case.

“First suicide bombing by Hamas was in 1993”

When a serious researcher like Pape studies suicide bombings, he only considers cases that are suicide bombings, and not incidents that are not bombings that Israel wants to claim are for political reasons.

Your first one is this:

“On April 16, 1993, at a roadside café at Mehola Junction…”

The Jerusalem Post claimed this was a suicide bombing, but even their language contained lots of words like: “apparent,” “unofficially,” “believed to be,” “if [it] was a suicide bombing”:

“POLICE at the scene of Friday’s first apparent suicide car-bomb…Hamas, claimed responsibility for the apparent suicide carbombing…military sources unofficially said it looked like a suicide bombing…body of an Arab believed to be the driver of the van was found some meters from the blast…If the explosion was a suicide bombing it would be the first inside Israel or the territories…”
The Jerusalem Post
April 18, 1993, Sunday
Only luck prevents disaster in suicide car-bomb attack in territories
BYLINE: JON IMMANUEL, MICHAEL ROTEM and DAVID RUDGE

Outside Israel, the rest of the world called the incident what it was, a car bomb. A car bomb is not a suicide bombing:

query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE0DB1539F934A25757C0A965958260

“TWO Arabs were killed and seven Israeli soldiers hurt today when a car bomb exploded at a busy Israeli roadside cafe in the occupied West Bank. The bomb went off when a booby-trapped car rammed two parked buses full of soldiers and civilians going home for their weekend leave in the Jordan Valley. Police said car was filled with cooking gas canisters and the attack was intended to be a suicide car bomb. Israel army radio reported one of the Palestinians killed worked at a snack bar at the site. The other’s identity was not immediately revealed.”
Evening Standard (London)
April 16, 1993, Friday
West Bank car bomb kills two
SECTION: Pg. 15

You booby trap a car when you want to get away, not when you are committing suicide. The Jerusalem Post article above said this: “At 1 pm. a white Mitsubishi van with Israeli yellow license plates drove into the parking lot of the Moshav Mehola roadside cafeteria. The driver parked between two Egged buses, one carrying soldiers, the other on a regular passenger route. Most of the 50 or more soldiers and passengers were off the buses and were standing around the service counter.”

Please explain to me the following. The supposed suicide bomber was parked next to a bus that was empty when he detonated the bomb. If he was parked there first, he waited until all the soldiers exited the bus and left before detonating his bomb. If the bus was there first, he parked next to an empty bus and detonated his bomb without waiting for the soldiers to come back first. If the suicide bomber was sitting in the car waiting to detonate it, why did he either wait for the soldiers to leave before setting off the bomb, or, alternatively, why didn’t he wait until the soldiers returned to the bus? Why did he set off his bomb next to an empty bus? Answer: This was a car bomb that was booby-trapped, probably with a timer. The bomb went off, fortunately for the soldiers, before they returned to the bus. If it was a suicide bomber, why didn’t he just drive the car into the cafeteria and set off his bomb? This was not a suicide bombing, and most media outlets knew it, regardless of Israel’s claim. Serious researchers look at these things, and don’t rely on unnamed Israeli officials to tell them what is or is not a suicide bombing.

Here is a report from your second incident:

A boobytrapped car exploded in the Shaykh Ajlin district south of Gaza this morning, while it was being prepared by a terrorist. The car caught fire and the terrorist in it was killed. Our correspondent in the south Nisim Qeynan has learned that an IDF [Israel Defence Forces] unit, on a routine patrol, found the burned car and alerted additional units. The car contained gas balloons, fuel containers and other explosives.
BBC Summary of World Broadcasts
September 27, 1993, Monday
Boobytrapped car blows up in Gaza; “terrorist” killed

Once again, there is no evidence that this was going to be a suicide bombing. I don’t feel like going through the rest of your list. Even the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs lists the first suicide attack as April 6, 1994:

http://tinyurl.com/nfdjq

Maybe they are anti-Semitic liars?

After reading the rest of your post, I see that you keep using the word Pappe. (When you used it the first time, I thought you had just made a typo). Robert Pape, who did the suicide bombing study, is a different person that Ilan Pappe. You said that you read Pappe’s suicide bombing study. That’s strange, since Ilan Pappe never did a study on suicide bombing. Could you explain what you mean when you said you read Pappe’s suicide bombing book? I know it can’t be possible that you lied.

“On April 16, 1993, at a roadside café at Mehola Junction, Hamas operative Tamam Nabulsi drove a van into a parked bus and detonated it. Two passengers on the bus were killed and five were injured. This was the first suicide terrorist attack in Israel by a Palestinian terrorist group. The Jerusalem Post reported the attack on April 18, 1993. The article noted that this was the first suicide bombing in Israeli territory. Hamas took credit for the attack.

An abortive suicide attack was reported in Gaza on September 13, 1993.

Sept. 26, 1993: Hamas member Ashraf Mahadi , died in the Gaza Strip, when his explosive-ridden car blew up (botched attempt)

Oct. 4, 1993: Kamal Bani Ohed, rammed explosive-laden car in Israeli bus near Ramallah and Beit El, 29 Israelis injured. Hamas claimed responsibility.

Nov. 2, 1993: A botched car-bomb attack near Sinjil; Hamas claimed credit

Dec. 13, 1993: Anwar Aziz, drove bomb-laden ambulance into a jeep-load of Israeli soldiers in Gaza Strip, wounding three.

Dec. 14, 1993: Ossama Hamid, Hamas member, Israelis killed him before he detonated the bomb. According to the Jerusalem Post, he was driving an ambulance.

The Jerusalem Post on Dec. 24, 1993: “About a dozen suicide bombings have been attempted since the PLO-Israel accord was signed in September.”

If you think that it is just a coincidence that the same time Israel built the wall that the number of suicide bombings fell dramatically despite events like the number 1 and number 2 in Hamas being killed – took them six months to “take revenge” for that one – then again your prejudice is simply blinding you. As for the “There are thousands of Palesinians arrested in Israel looking for work” – a) most don’t get there by “climbing over the wall”, most overstay their permit b) They don’t number in the thousands – a hint is that the total number of Palestinians in jail for ALL causes around 8,000 with most arrested in the territories.

Suicide bombing also dropped off from Gaza – again by a complete coincidence when a wall went up – so your claim is that Hamas decided that suicide bombing from Gaza was a “bad idea” but a “great idea” coming from the West Bank. Pur-lease.

Exactly what evidence is there that the Wall doesn’t stop suicide bombers? Apart from the crazies on the far left of Israel – of whom plenty are at TA university – exactly what evidence is there that the Wall has made no impact? Pappe also didn’t write that the wall DIDN’T stop suicide bombers. I don’t recollect Pappe making the argument that you have that occupation generates suicide bombers probably because it is untrue. Even when dealing with Israel, it clearly isn’t the case as there are occupied lands where no suicide bombing occurs, lands where next to none occurs. Once you get outside Israel there was the wave of suicide bombings in Algeria which is not occupied by anyone. Now it has been a while since I read his book but i don’t recollect him making the simplistic argument you are, mainly because it is clearly BS.

For the Middle East here is an alternative hypothesis. Iranian radicals carried out suicide bombings during the revolution, when Israel invaded the Iranians exported suicide bombing to Hizbollah, who in 1992 – when Hamas and PIJ leaders were deported to South Lebanon – exported it to the Palestinians who started carrying out suicide attacks when they were repatriated to Israel in 1993. Others islamist groups saw the effectiveness of suicide attacks on westernised societies and imitated Hizbollah and Hamas – as did [more]secular Tanzim.