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		<title>By: Alexander C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 19:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When guns were banned in Australia recently, there was a huge upsurge in crime -- now why is that?  The criminal will always have a gun -- getting arrested for gun possession is no big deal for a criminal because the crime he/she intends to commit with that firearm is a thousand times worse.  Now with an armed citizenry it is a completely different story -- true the criminal will still have the gun, but using it becomes infinitely more problematic because he/she might get killed.  Cops are not there to prevent crime -- they cannot.  They clean up after the crime is committed ... it is each one of our responsibility to prevent the crime, but unarmed, we are victims waiting to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When guns were banned in Australia recently, there was a huge upsurge in crime &#8212; now why is that?  The criminal will always have a gun &#8212; getting arrested for gun possession is no big deal for a criminal because the crime he/she intends to commit with that firearm is a thousand times worse.  Now with an armed citizenry it is a completely different story &#8212; true the criminal will still have the gun, but using it becomes infinitely more problematic because he/she might get killed.  Cops are not there to prevent crime &#8212; they cannot.  They clean up after the crime is committed &#8230; it is each one of our responsibility to prevent the crime, but unarmed, we are victims waiting to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: 45yo sailor</title>
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		<dc:creator>45yo sailor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone75,
As for your statement about education requirements, did you know that most of the military and some of the police that serve our fair nation do not have a college education? These are the people that protect your freedom and carry firearms daily on the job. Some of us were born poor and could not afford to go to college or we had to work to support sick parents and put our siblings through grade school. I have my permit for the state where I live and back in my home state I can legally walk down the street with my gun on my hip. I am niether small, frail, nor a wimp but I will carry any place that it not illegal to carry such as govenment facilities, schools, and courthouses. The crime rate goes down in every state that has recognized the 2nd Amendment. A college education does not give someone common sense or courage. I would rather have a high school grad with common sense armed than a college grad who is too stupid to figure out the simple things required to survive. Take any backwoods farmer&#039;s boy and he will probably be safer handling a firearm than the average college punk that has had mommy and daddy buy his way out of any mess he has gotten into. By the way, the frmer&#039;s boy is also more likely to serve his country and carry a weapon to preserve YOUR freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone75,<br />
As for your statement about education requirements, did you know that most of the military and some of the police that serve our fair nation do not have a college education? These are the people that protect your freedom and carry firearms daily on the job. Some of us were born poor and could not afford to go to college or we had to work to support sick parents and put our siblings through grade school. I have my permit for the state where I live and back in my home state I can legally walk down the street with my gun on my hip. I am niether small, frail, nor a wimp but I will carry any place that it not illegal to carry such as govenment facilities, schools, and courthouses. The crime rate goes down in every state that has recognized the 2nd Amendment. A college education does not give someone common sense or courage. I would rather have a high school grad with common sense armed than a college grad who is too stupid to figure out the simple things required to survive. Take any backwoods farmer&#8217;s boy and he will probably be safer handling a firearm than the average college punk that has had mommy and daddy buy his way out of any mess he has gotten into. By the way, the frmer&#8217;s boy is also more likely to serve his country and carry a weapon to preserve YOUR freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: AZKopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZKopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sick of the &quot;Concealed Weapon Permits will lead to blood in the streets&quot; argument and mentality. 

44 states have CWP&#039;s, and most are &quot;Shall Issue&quot;, meaning you may only be denied if you are a prohibited possessor (felon, restraining order, etc). The crime rates in these states are lower than CA&#039;s.

A study done in the 90&#039;s showed that CWP holders are hundreds of times less likely to commit crimes than non CWP holders.

This is all about control, not about safety.

Thank God I left the OC years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sick of the &#8220;Concealed Weapon Permits will lead to blood in the streets&#8221; argument and mentality. </p>
<p>44 states have CWP&#8217;s, and most are &#8220;Shall Issue&#8221;, meaning you may only be denied if you are a prohibited possessor (felon, restraining order, etc). The crime rates in these states are lower than CA&#8217;s.</p>
<p>A study done in the 90&#8217;s showed that CWP holders are hundreds of times less likely to commit crimes than non CWP holders.</p>
<p>This is all about control, not about safety.</p>
<p>Thank God I left the OC years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: 2nd Ammendment Supporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>2nd Ammendment Supporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious that Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens has not read the Second Amendment to the US Constitution or the decision rendered on June 26, 2008 - The US Supreme Court Upheld the Second Amendment to the US Constitution in the land mark case &#039;D.C. vs Heller&#039; -- The right to keep and bear arms. 

No government agency may prevent any US citizen in good standing, ( Not a felon ) may purchase a fire arm without unreasonable process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens has not read the Second Amendment to the US Constitution or the decision rendered on June 26, 2008 &#8211; The US Supreme Court Upheld the Second Amendment to the US Constitution in the land mark case &#8216;D.C. vs Heller&#8217; &#8212; The right to keep and bear arms. </p>
<p>No government agency may prevent any US citizen in good standing, ( Not a felon ) may purchase a fire arm without unreasonable process.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly why I enjoy living in washington. All you have to do here is pass the FBI background check, get finger printed, and pay the $60. I also heard the California is the hardest state to get a concelled pistol license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly why I enjoy living in washington. All you have to do here is pass the FBI background check, get finger printed, and pay the $60. I also heard the California is the hardest state to get a concelled pistol license.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Dowling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert Dowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in California and as a republican and a firearms owner also 
having a CCW in California yeah I don&#039;t agree as a law abiding citizen 
and with a great deal of respect for law and order my take an armed state 
is a safe state. Local policing agencys should not be the only folks able
to carry and I two believe if your armed a thug on the street will more than
likely think twice about robbing someone and let me also tell you having pulled my weapon and holding it on a bad guy is not a good feeling because at a split second it could be all over end of story in my case the bad guy went to state prison for along time and I went home to my family safe. I long for the day that law abiding citzens in my state will have their rights not violated. GD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in California and as a republican and a firearms owner also<br />
having a CCW in California yeah I don&#8217;t agree as a law abiding citizen<br />
and with a great deal of respect for law and order my take an armed state<br />
is a safe state. Local policing agencys should not be the only folks able<br />
to carry and I two believe if your armed a thug on the street will more than<br />
likely think twice about robbing someone and let me also tell you having pulled my weapon and holding it on a bad guy is not a good feeling because at a split second it could be all over end of story in my case the bad guy went to state prison for along time and I went home to my family safe. I long for the day that law abiding citzens in my state will have their rights not violated. GD.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>73. Someone75:

That was a very immature statement.  I am a fairly big guy and an ex-boxer with years of martial arts training, but I haven&#039;t seen enough movies to make me think I am macho enough to stop a couple of attackers (with or without weapons) on them using my bare hands.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t risk the life of my family, friends, or an innocent stranger on my macho skills.

I wouldn&#039;t be happy about it, but I would feel much more prepared for the situation if I had a firearm on me to help deter the threat and to even the odds if absolutely needed.

I have defended innocent people being attacked more than once, in &#039;nice&#039; parts of town, and have never had to draw my legally carried firearm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>73. Someone75:</p>
<p>That was a very immature statement.  I am a fairly big guy and an ex-boxer with years of martial arts training, but I haven&#8217;t seen enough movies to make me think I am macho enough to stop a couple of attackers (with or without weapons) on them using my bare hands.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t risk the life of my family, friends, or an innocent stranger on my macho skills.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be happy about it, but I would feel much more prepared for the situation if I had a firearm on me to help deter the threat and to even the odds if absolutely needed.</p>
<p>I have defended innocent people being attacked more than once, in &#8216;nice&#8217; parts of town, and have never had to draw my legally carried firearm.</p>
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		<title>By: tricked you</title>
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		<dc:creator>tricked you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 06:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. RF: writes 
It’s not counterintuitive if you use logic, treat it like a differential equation, the first term goes down the second term goes up. If all potential victim’s had firearms, there would be, theoretically, no crime. Of course if the inverse were true…? Oh yeah, that’s what the lib’s want. Nov 19, 2008 - 3:09 am
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Let&#039;s not stop with the math at that point because when just one has a firearm and the will to use it and does on anyone he sees then others might have a slght bleeding promblem.

Now if all the others obayed the law but had fire arms but would only use them to enforce the laws and protect themselfs. This one bad guy has no gun unless he steals it which he likely will.

Then we have let us say 98 armed good people 1 armed bad person and one unarmed good person or did he go by another gun to peplace the stolen gun and now carries rather than keeping it locked up at home?

Now we 99 armed good men and one armed bad man. 

Well the fact he likes the easy life I figure he will try and figure out were you live. Wonder who he will pick on now. How many times might revisit your home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. RF: writes<br />
It’s not counterintuitive if you use logic, treat it like a differential equation, the first term goes down the second term goes up. If all potential victim’s had firearms, there would be, theoretically, no crime. Of course if the inverse were true…? Oh yeah, that’s what the lib’s want. Nov 19, 2008 &#8211; 3:09 am<br />
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Let&#8217;s not stop with the math at that point because when just one has a firearm and the will to use it and does on anyone he sees then others might have a slght bleeding promblem.</p>
<p>Now if all the others obayed the law but had fire arms but would only use them to enforce the laws and protect themselfs. This one bad guy has no gun unless he steals it which he likely will.</p>
<p>Then we have let us say 98 armed good people 1 armed bad person and one unarmed good person or did he go by another gun to peplace the stolen gun and now carries rather than keeping it locked up at home?</p>
<p>Now we 99 armed good men and one armed bad man. </p>
<p>Well the fact he likes the easy life I figure he will try and figure out were you live. Wonder who he will pick on now. How many times might revisit your home?</p>
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		<title>By: New Sheriff in Orange County, CA bans civilian CCWs - INGunOwners</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Sheriff in Orange County, CA bans civilian CCWs - INGunOwners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Orange County citizens do anything illegal, immoral, or unethical to cost them their permits?    Pajamas Media </description>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thanks to A Liberal, I guess it was nothing but a pipe dream, thinking there could be an intelligent and reasonable discussion. Some people are just hell bent on hate speech. They have no ability to have a civil discussion. All they do is spew insults, thereby showing their own lack of sense and civility. Whether or not you agree with someone else&#039;s ideology, there is no reason to insult and belittle those who disagree with you. But then again, we are to often a result of our education, upbringing and social influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thanks to A Liberal, I guess it was nothing but a pipe dream, thinking there could be an intelligent and reasonable discussion. Some people are just hell bent on hate speech. They have no ability to have a civil discussion. All they do is spew insults, thereby showing their own lack of sense and civility. Whether or not you agree with someone else&#8217;s ideology, there is no reason to insult and belittle those who disagree with you. But then again, we are to often a result of our education, upbringing and social influence.</p>
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