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1. RE:

The spirit of the Bolsheviks is alive, well, and thriving in Hollywood.

I applaud David Zucker, Jon Voight,Gary Sinese, Evan Sayet, Dennis Miller, and Ron Silver for standing up and defying the totalitiarian left.

Aug 21, 2008 - 8:45 am 2. Truth v. The Machine » Archives » Must See Movie:

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Aug 21, 2008 - 8:50 am 3. Steve:

Zucker has courage to make this movie. I am glad you have the courage to write about it.

Aug 21, 2008 - 8:54 am 4. W::

Unbelievable that anyone can be so upset over someone else’s politics.

Like a bunch of ignorant, excitable monks or backhills fundamentalists demanding that an errant church member be burned.

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:08 am 5. Tom:

Hey guys, remember money talks - so start lining up for tickets now - would be very cool to continue the slam dunks to Hollywood’s head

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:15 am 6. freeby:

to paraphase a current bumper :

hollywood-what would karl marx do?

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:31 am 7. Kevin:

I personally plan to see this movie, provided it makes it here. Should, live in Kansas, pretty staunch Republican state, the temporary insanity not withstanding. Normally I am very picky about going to the movies. I want to know BEFORE I shell out those hard-earned bucks that I will be entertained. Especially since I have a 5, 3, and 1.5 year old. But for this movie I am making an exception. Regardless of whether or not I am rolling in the aisle busting a gut laughing, I will go. I know I will get a good laugh. I mean, the opportunity to see Patton’s ghost slap Moore around is just too much to pass on.lol October 3, hope it shows in my town.

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:32 am 8. rvastar:

Can’t wait to see it.

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:38 am 9. tanstaafl:

And here I thought liberals admired iconoclasts.

Better re-think that one.

Step outside of the prevailing Hollow-wood ethos and prepare to be vilified.

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:47 am 10. goy:

- Ignoring the archaic film references these types trade to impress each other…

Best not to ignore them, since the cleverly coded (heh) reference to “Fredo” is oh-so-very-revealing.

Fredo Corleone was a traitor to his own family of all-powerful, murderous thugs. His brother had him assassinated as soon as it was feasible.

This reference demonstrates precisely how Wells and ilk believe such traitors should be dealt with. It also speaks to the nature of the all-powerful position they believe they hold.

RE - don’t forget Tom Selleck and, of course, Heston (mhrip)!

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:54 am 11. pch1013:

The premise of the film — that some Michael Moore type wants to abolish the Independence Day holiday — suggests that it will be more reliant on strawmen than The Wizard of Oz. Strange choice of target, too; Moore has been unusually quiet lately.

But have fun. All that money you’ll be spending on big blocks of tickets — the better to propel An American Carol to the top of the box-office lists — is money that won’t be going to the McCain campaign.

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:58 am 12. Dirty Harry’s Place… » Meanwhile Over At Pajamas…:

[...] piece on David Zucker is up: Ironically, Zucker could have made a fifth Scary Movie installment without anyone raising a single [...]

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:00 am 13. Ed Wallis:

It’s a rather sad commentary on the state of things that such a premise of this film is seen as “conservative” as opposed to just “funny” and “poking fun at celebrities” (see: ribbing of Michael Jackson in “Scary Movie 3″). SIGH.

More evidence of the divide created over the last decades by said leftists (…I’m sure “pch1013″ will secretly check it out from the local library).

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:16 am 14. TomJW:

pch1013:
Aug 21, 2008 - 9:58 am

There you go, lying again. Remeber this one?

Jul 31, 2008 - 8:52 am pch1013:
“Yea they’ve been real hard on our poor misunderstood Obama.”
Jeremiah Wright is a household name, and John Hagee isn’t. QED.

You have never addressed that fact that you were lying threw your teeth to tell that one. Can’t you retract 1 lie before you continue to make more? There is no comparison between the Obama/Wright relationship and the McCain/Hagee relationship. I can bring up my other posts about it if you want.

Moore is against many American traditions, capitalism and gun ownship come to mind. In satire you often fake a topic to mock a person. You should try to get out more often. You would find out a lot of true stuff.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:16 am 15. John Moore:

“And here I thought liberals admired iconoclasts”

No, liberals, especially Hollywood limousine liberals, admire themselves. They are more rigid and dogmatic than just about any other group in American politics. Also, their sense of humor is broken.

For pch1013 - you demonstrate a progressive’s view of economics: zero sum.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:31 am 16. ForNow:

“Blackballing” is a good term for when there’s blacklisting without an actual written list.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:31 am 17. pch1013:

@TomJW: Once again, my comparison was between the amount of media attention each one received. And let’s not forget that McCain actually sought out Hagee’s endorsement.

Whether the characterization of Moore is a strawman or not is a matter of subjective opinion. I haven’t seen the movie, and neither have you. But if it makes you happy to continue to accuse me of perjury, have at it.

@Ed: From what little I’ve read about An American Carol, its content is overtly political. E.g. a scene in which ACLU members are depicted as zombies. The Moore character’s latest movie is entitled Die, You American Pigs. He is recruited by Muslim terrorists to produce an anti-American video. And so on.

Airplane is a funny movie. An American Carol is a political movie.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:39 am 18. John the Libertarian:

I hope ALL the right-wing blogs and radio shows hype this movie to huge box-office numbers. This is a time when conservatives MUST vote with their dollars that we want to see more product in this vein. Like Parker and Stone’s “Team America”, these filmmakers are taking an enormous risk, we have to reward them for it.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:40 am 19. Paul From Hamburg:

“a reliable source passed along this verbatim quote from a friend”.
I had no idea Dan Rather was blogging about movies.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:42 am 20. mwl:

As far as all of the anti-American movies go, it will always be true that fools and their money are soon parted. The poor financial performance of those screeds proves that the American public is far less foolish than the Hollywood ‘elite’.

I plan to see An American Carol. If it’s good, I’ll watch it twice. Mr. Zucker will enjoy the last laugh as he rolls in his profits.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:58 am 21. George:

I wish Mr. Zucker all the best … I believe IN-and-OUT Burger may be hiring.

Blackballing, Blacklisting … call it what you will. I does exist as this article/editoral points out. As I belong to the same Unions, and am properly ignored when I show up. So I’ve gotten it from both sides. Needless to say, I don’t work in NYC very much.

Aug 21, 2008 - 11:03 am 22. Bonnie_:

Don’t forget that the blacklist is alive and well in the publishing industry as well.

“Empire of Lies” is an astonishing thriller by Andrew Klaven and it’s been vilified by the left. I bought it just to support the idea of fair and free expression and found myself totally riveted. Check it out while you’re waiting for American Carol.

p.s. I don’t know Klaven one tiny bit. But if I met him, I’d shake his hand.

Aug 21, 2008 - 11:06 am 23. Dave II:

“The Passion may be the only film to make over a half-billion dollars and not create a me-too phenomenon.”

When “An American Carol” is a hit (and it will be!) it will become the SECOND one not to create a “me-too phenomenom”. And films that ridicule and villify
our military will continue to be flops…

Sad, but not that surprising.

Kind of like far-left liberals who continue to nominate candidates America keeps rejecting.

Is there a pattern here????????

Aug 21, 2008 - 11:11 am 24. Ramp Rat:

Way to go David! and, If Michael Moor is a filmmaker by Hollyood standards than I am Van Gogh. Anyone heard of Ramp Rat Van Gogh?

Aug 21, 2008 - 11:34 am 25. Cato:

Kevin, American Carol is hilarious, but not appropriate for small children. This is one movie that is worth hiring a babysitter for.

Aug 21, 2008 - 11:56 am 26. Chief1942:

I can’t believe the Left in Hollywood STILL do not appreciate that Mr. Zucker simply could not buy the kind of advertising that he is now getting via their caterwalling over his film. Please do more of it and make it even more front and center! No one ever accused the Hollywood Left of having any brains, and for good reason.

Aug 21, 2008 - 11:57 am 27. TomJW:

pch1013:
Aug 21, 2008 - 10:39 am

Obama ’sought out’ Wright at his sevices for 20 years, called Wright his spiritual mentor, was married by Wright, had his daughters baptized by Wright, and wrote an autobiography based on one of Wright’s sermons.

McCain kissed Haggee’s ass once and then disowned him.

Two very different relationships and you are a liar to continue to equate them.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:04 pm 28. Ed Wallis:

“pch1013″ : “Airplane is a funny movie. An American Carol is a political movie.”

OH YEAH…AND MOORE’S SCREEN SCREEDS ARE real “documentaries”…BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Tickle me, fool.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:04 pm 29. Kevin:

I will see it even it is a looped reel of a continuously flushing toilet! Of course Parker & Stone did in fact blow Michael Moore literally to pieces in their poke of Hollywood pretentiousness in Team America.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:09 pm 30. Marcus:

The Passion may be the only film to make over a half-billion dollars and not create a me-too phenomenon.

Huh? There’s been a series of mee-toos in the genre.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:14 pm 31. Rachel Peepers:

The Marxist leaning, American flag hating, Rosie loving, McCain Bashing, Obama worshiping, Bob Redford praising, humorless Gorebots that make up the Hollywood elite are, in my view, the most vile creatures on God’s green earth.

Almost as hideously hateful as Islamo-fascist–killers of innocent men, women and children, these Hollywood miscreants benefit from freedoms of all manner and kind yet denounce everyone who believes in life for the unborn, liberty for all and the pursuit by the David Zuckers of the world of their American Dream.

These hollow hypocrites tarnish America through Joe McCarthy-esque blackmailing, becoming-what-they-hate blacklisting of those who exercise their fundamental constitutional right to disagree politically, even poke some fun at the heinous left without threat of job loss, public ridicule and revenge.

In my humble opinion, these tinsel town thugs, big butted bullies and ipso facto traitors deserve not the wealth they possess nor the gilded multi-thousand square foot mansioned, star-studded, silver screened, classic car laden, jet powered lifestyle they lead.

Rather as a result of the despicable behavior they exhibit, these blacklisting brown shirts warrant nothing less than our most deeply felt, vociferous, top of our lungs, loathesome, ignominious and unceasing contempt.

On the lighter side, one of the many funny things about, “An American Carol” is that it exposes to the sunlight of truth the Holly-wood-headed hypocrites whose ultimate desire is to elect Barack Obama and turn this country into (my apologies to Theodore Dreiser) “An American Tragedy.”

Kudos to John Nolte whose beautifully written article may be just the impetus to make some of the Hollywood Hilerites scurry back into their rat holes before they taste the poison of public exposure.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:16 pm 32. sweet:

rofl…I love it. Typical demlibs behaving as such!

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:22 pm 33. Evan Sayet:

Not being allowed to think (the Modern Liberal believes that all thought is an act of bigotry), the purpose of ALL Modern Liberal efforts is nothing other than to attack and undermine the beliefs of others.

What The Passion of the Christ and An American Carol have in common is that the former treats Christianity in a loving fashion and the latter treats America with respect. Since Americans rightly recognize Christianity and our great nation as good, the Democrat will not allow for movies that support those beliefs (they are afraid that if we recognize good then we might fight to protect and preserve it and, well, “war is not the answer.”)

Conversely, they made those anti-American Iraq war movies for no other reason than that they were anti-American, their goal nothing other than to attack our love for this country so that we never fight on her behalf.

Since good people hold Islamic terrorists in disdain, the Modern Liberal cannot allow a movie that makes fun of the terrorists. We might recognize Islamic fascism as so evil as to necessitate warring against it.

This is the SOLE purpose of ALL Modern Liberal efforts. Truth is meaningless to them. So, too, is beauty, morality, decency, professional standards, personal standards and even money. The ONLY thing that determines what they make and what they attack is, if it’s good they are against it if it’s evil they are for it.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:30 pm 34. Django:

It’s an urban myth that Hollywood is driven by money; they’re driven by dopey rich liberal ideology left over from the ’60’s. Why and how does Hollywood continue to operate with such a business model? Do the tax write-offs for their parent corporations make the endless remakes of “Redacted” a net winner for them? I truly don’t understand this and I wish a conservative journalist would research it and let us know how this works.

If Hollywood made a quality film showing the heroism and justness of the Marines’ battle for Fallujah it would make a ton of money, especially here in the States. Also, I think there’s a far bigger market for that type of film overseas than liberal Hollywood thinks or is willing to admit.

But it won’t happen. We’ll continue to be bombarded with the geopolitical insights of people who barely graduated from high school and are as famous for their drug-addled car crashes, multiple divorces, trips to rehab and crotch flashes as they are for any of the weak, inane movies they’ve made.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:34 pm 35. catbertz:

The film looks like a fun Saturday afternoon for the family. I’m also going to enjoy all the whining from libs, who regularly slip cheap shots at the right into all their projects.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:36 pm 36. steve8714:

pch1013; don’t worry, I have a lot more money.

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:40 pm 37. pch1013:

“you are a liar to continue to equate them”

So please evaluate your continued insistence that the MSM has consistently turned a blind eye to Obama’s failings, in light of the Wright “scandal.”

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:46 pm 38. Javelin:

I hate all those dirty Jews, I mean liberals, who tried to frame saintly Mel Gibson and his godly movie as anti-Semitic. Sounds like those Hollywood Jews, sorry liberals, are up to their old tricks.
(off sarcasm)
(If you are going to whine about Mel, then you probably agree with him)
If Hollywood was tyrannical and totalitarian, then why aren’t Voight, Silver, Zucker, Sinise et al tarred and feathered. “Team America” made fun of them all and no one put a hit out on South Park

Aug 21, 2008 - 12:55 pm 39. Javelin:

pch1013,
what should the MSM, that vague generalized term all crackpots use when they complain how the media isn’t biased their way, handle Reverend Wright? After all, he is not Obama. Should they rerun the same video over and over again to keep the mental midgets riled up?

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:00 pm 40. Jay:

Rachel Peepers: I really enjoyed reading your last post.

Hollywood needs to get out of politics and into making good movies for a change. They actually did make some good movies before they decided they knew more than the rest of us bible thumping, gun clinging, America loving bitter citizens.

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:02 pm 41. Tom W.:

“But have fun. All that money you’ll be spending on big blocks of tickets — the better to propel An American Carol to the top of the box-office lists — is money that won’t be going to the McCain campaign.”

The dismissive contempt of leftists toward McCain reminds me of their strutting confidence that Kerry would rout Bush in 2004.

I can’t tell you how much satisfaction I took on election night, when Dan Rather and Susan Estrich nearly passed out from shock. I was literally screaming with laughter.

McCain’s victory will be even sweeter. I can hardly wait to see gray leftist faces and hear their spittle-spewing, impotent rage at another “stolen” election. I’ll laugh myself sick.

The best will be when The One gives his concession speech. I predict he’ll look like he’s eighty-nine years old and so ashen it’ll be like he’s been dusted with talcum powder.

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:06 pm 42. Javelin:

Jay,
like you bible thumping, gun clinging, America loving bitter citizens really knew and cared a lot about Iraq and all his WMDs?

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:08 pm 43. Ed Wallis:

Strawmen you raise, “broken javelin.”

South Park HAS in fact been attacked from the Left but, as it became so popular so quickly “under the radar” among those under 30, it was another matter altogether. Red Apples and Tranny Oranges.

As to “why” those to whom you refer are not YET “tarred and feathered”…wait and see. Voight has just spoken out only recently - consequences to follow to be seen.

Not that anyone expects “public love letters” to be sent to him by Sean Penn, who only profits more and more from his public hysteria. BUT I DIGRESS….

Please be sure also to follow - on the Right Coast - the travails of David “Why I am no Longer a Brain Dead Liberal” Mamet.

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:14 pm 44. Django:

Javelin is a good example of the libs’ inability to form an argument that is anything other than 98% ad hominem arrogance.

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:15 pm 45. kender:

pch1013 wrote;

“But if it makes you happy to continue to accuse me of perjury, have at it.”

And I ask since when is commentary on a website considered testimony? Did I miss getting sworn in when I click on this site?

As for this movie, I will be taking my 8 year old very bright son to see it, as I have instilled in him a love for this country and explained to him the evils of socialism and the liberal left as it stands.

As a final note nobody put out a hit on Southpark after Team America because in Hollywood money does actually talk.

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:31 pm 46. Javelin:

Django
First off, I am not a liberal. Second, as far as mel gibson goes, please I want to hear some jerkov like you actually apologize to Mel’s critics that they were right. Instead you excorciate his critics for their quite accurate accusation that both him and his movie were anti-Semitic.

AS far as ad hominem, who have I attacked on a personal level? Sounds like you are even more arrogant than I, and a hypocrite to boot. Since you are too small minded and stupid to refute my arguments, you called me name so you can safely dismiss me. But since you are just another ugly stupic right winger, that is par for the course, cause to pigs like you, it’s all about personal attacks.

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:33 pm 47. tanstaafl:

Evan Sayet

Really ?

I have listened to this twice.

How Modern Liberals Think

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:35 pm 48. Jay:

Javelin:
Nice, real good insult there and how you moved the conversation to the war in Iraq. Wow

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:38 pm 49. Django:

“Javelin:
…But since you are just another ugly stupic right winger, that is par for the course, cause to pigs like you, it’s all about personal attacks.
Aug 21, 2008 - 1:33 pm”

LOL…um, okay. What a brilliant refutation of my point.

If you actually had a good argument, you’d make it. Instead, all you’ve got is more mouth-foaming ad hominem which only serves to highlight how shallow and emotional your positions really are.

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:48 pm 50. Jay:

Now your using words like “jerkov”, yea, I know we’re all “hypocrites” here or “just another ugly stupic right winger” and “pigs like you” good thing you don’t do personal attacks. Now tell me how it’s someone elses fault or how stupid I am. Come on, that’s what your going to say. Isn’t it?

Aug 21, 2008 - 1:49 pm 51. KansasGirl:

There was no blacklisting during the 50’s. It was exposing communists! See how far we’ve come? These types are not my friends!

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:00 pm 52. Mabel:

The bottom line is that Hollywood is left wing for the most part and that’s why awful (in the artistic sense) war movies keep coming out like popcorn (in fairness, so do bad movies starring chihuahuas). Yet, movies like American Carol and the Path to 9/11 are attacked (last one was not even released on DVD…anything gets released on DVD)…what are they afraid of??? That these movies will have a comercial success and then what??? They will have to keep making them…I love South Park…is the best at political satire.

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:08 pm 53. Ed Wallis:

…on a related note :

One could also mention the Leftist suppression of distribution of “INDOCTRINATION U.”

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:18 pm 54. HeatherRadish:

The Moore character’s latest movie is entitled Die, You American Pigs

The soul of wit is truth, after all.

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:30 pm 55. Javelin:

Django
you chose to insult me rather than argue my point, so I felt it was okay to insult you. Once again, refute my point or shut up. Sorry, but to me you seem like a one dimensional parody of a conservative with nothing but insults and knee jerk remarks.

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:34 pm 56. Chill E. Dogg:

Aw, come on now - comparing An American Carol to Skidoo can in no way be a comparison “to one of the worst films ever made”.

Groucho Marx as God, Jackie Gleason on acid, dancing trash cans…this is a GREAT movie!!

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:37 pm 57. Javelin:

The writer chose to highlight Mel Gibson and the Passion, both anti-Semitic. My point is that the critics were right but the Right chose to slime them then conveniently forget about it once Mel exposed himself.
What part of that do you want to argue about Django, since you hate ad hominem attacks so much?
By the way to my critics here, I am not an cheap ideologue like you nor a liberal. So insult away!

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:38 pm 58. Hollywood Republicans « Nice Deb:

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Aug 21, 2008 - 2:41 pm 59. Mikey NTH:

My guess as to the survival of South Park after Team America is that South Park is a well established franchise, with good ratings and hence with contracts between Parker and Stone and Comedy Central. Comedy Central likely has contracts selling future advertising slots during South Park.

Breaking those contracts without good cause will bring in the lawyers - not only Parker and Stone’s lawyers but those of the advertisers who have paid for the South Park time slot. That is a very bad thing, a very expensive bad thing. It will also upset many fans who are the market for Comedy Central’s other shows. That is also a bad thing, and will garner bad publicity.

This is also different from declining to renew a contract or refusing to contract with someone in the future - neither of these are necessarily actionable, but breach of contract is.

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:41 pm 60. jay t:

pch1013’s arguments are illustrative of liberal illogical thinking. For every argument, there is a sliding and shifting of the standard to create a “point”. To confirm the bias and world view. I notice the left is quiet on Russia’s imperialistic aggression, as of late.

I guess he cant help being an obama guy. Hes so easily swayed by the 7 angellic Time mag covers this year, the messianic pics in Rolling Stone, etc., why do the due diligence to question his fascist party’s candidate? pch1013’s vote is bought and paid for.

As to Zucker’s movie… I cant wait to see the unhinged protests and goebellesque memes thrown at the movie.

Aug 21, 2008 - 2:53 pm 61. chicopanther:

A huge difference between the right and the left is this:

When Michael Moore, Al Gore, etc, make movies, the right merely ridicules them.

When someone on the right “dares” to make a movie attacking left-wing thought, the lefties don’t just try to poke holes in the movie’s arguments, instead, the left tries to stop anyone from seeing the movie and being able to make up their own mind.

After all, the left can’t have folks thinking for themselves–that’s what “group-think” is for!

– chicopanther

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:03 pm 62. Scott Walker:

Just because you keep saying it, Javelin, does not make “The Passion Of The Christ” antisemitic. Mel Gibson? Yeah, he is. I hear he’s working on that, and associated anger issues. Hope he makes some progress. Interesting, though, that you decry insult and knee-jerk remarks, as your rhetorical bag of tricks seems pretty empty without them.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:07 pm 63. The Monster:

tanstaafl:

Only twice? Sayet’s Heritage lecture was an epiphany for me. So many things that didn’t make sense (for they are nonsensical) were at least understandable. Growing up in NY and working in Hollyweird, he has seen the beast in its natural habitats.

He’s kinda like the Crocodile Hunter. Be careful, Evan… those barbs are SHARP!

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:07 pm 64. Javelin:

chicopanther,
give me example. I don’t recall any theaters being bombed or any film makers being assassinated by leftists in America, or for that matter rightists. How are these evil leftists stopping people from attending the movie, by criticizing the movie? Free publicity, even negative, is priceless in mass media these days.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:13 pm 65. OCBill:

pch1013 @ 09:58 said
All that money you’ll be spending on big blocks of tickets — the better to propel An American Carol to the top of the box-office lists — is money that won’t be going to the McCain campaign.

FYI. As a Republican, I have a job that lets me afford to BOTH see a movie AND contribute to McCain.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:15 pm 66. Javelin:

Scott Walker
so he’s an anti-Semite, in recovery, but his movie isn’t. Glad you can see the difference, cause I can’t. Do you know anything aboput the history of passion plays in good old Christian Europe? I stand by what I said earlier. There were plenty of movies about Jesus made in Hollywood but Mel’s was singled out for it’s use of a reactionary passion play motif. He and his movie are intinsically anti-Semitic, no matter what some Prager suck up has to say.

BTW: I never did a thing to stop him or his movies, even kept my Road Warrior collection. But I’m sure that some people here have implicated me in some vast anti-Mel conspiracy.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:22 pm 67. Emerson:

I’m a center right guy who was center left before 9-11. For a few years I performed amateur comedy and had studied it for years. It’s so strange when people say conservatives can’t be funny. Besides stoner movies, what I see as liberal comedy is mostly bitterness and anger. George Carlin was the worst. What an angry old hippie. The days of AM/FM and Class Clown were behind him for decades. I don’t hear a lot of actual jokes from liberal comics. It’s mostly lists of people they hate, hateful strings of cursing and reasons why they should die. The only laughter I hear is a shared sense of cruelty and superiority.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:26 pm 68. Banjo:

Every six months or so one writes an article saying Hollywood is more left wing than Cuba. The next thing we’ll hear is the place is run by homosexuals. Oh, wait!

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:28 pm 69. Brett_McS:

Evan Sayet 12:30pm goes to the heart of the problem. And as a former liberal Hollywood insider, he knows of what he speaks.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:28 pm 70. Daily Pundit » I Don’t Care - I’ll See It:

[...] Pajamas Media » David Zucker Commits Hollywood Treason Ironically, Zucker could have made a fifth Scary Movie installment without anyone raising a single question about his sanity, character, career choices, or “funny bone.” But a bold, thoroughly original, risky, shot across the establishment’s bow? And here I thought liberals admired iconoclasts. [...]

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:29 pm 71. Thomass:

Ummm, since you (the author) have seen the movie, did you think it was funny / good?

Just checking, want to know if I should see it.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:29 pm 72. cedarford:

Javelin:
The writer chose to highlight Mel Gibson and the Passion, both anti-Semitic. My point is that the critics were right but the Right chose to slime them then conveniently forget about it once Mel exposed himself.

The problem is that the Jewish Sanhedrin, the High Priesthood, DID condemn Christ to death for heresy and brought him to the Romans who had the “state monopoly” as executioners - insisting they put the wayward Jew to death. This is the account in the Gospel, and also noted in two ancient Talmuds that mention Christ was properly adjudicated by the priests, and properly put to death.

If that is anti-Semitic, then it is also, in the vein of “hurtful facts” - anti-semitic to mention the crimes of other despicable people in history who happen to have been Jews.

As for Mel Gibson, he has said some angry things about Jews, but lets not forget that Gibson was attacked by a range of Hollywood Jews and film critics for decades for the religious beliefs of his Dad and his own “extremist and backward” Catholic sect veiws.
Gibson is hardly the only recipient of “anti-Christian” propaganda from Hollywood secularists and Jews over the years. The “stock” Christian character in movies and on TV for decades has been the unctuous hypocrite, the money-scamming minister, the child-molesting priest, the good christian girl who invariably turns out at the end of the show to be uncaring, evil, or the true slut.
About the only positive treatment of Christians has been with the sometimes insufferably nice Ned Flanders on the “Simpsons”, and South Park’s bold premise that “Christians do not necessarily equal evil”.
In Gibson’s case, his remarks happened after “The Passion” when stress and liquor finally loosened his tongue. And happened after activist Jews first tried to sabotage financing by threatening potential investors, which was why Gibson ended up putting his own savings in like he did to save the movie, then meddled with his cast and crew saying that it might hurt careers, and finally - after the film was done and ready for release - attempted to block widespread release and ruin Gibson by soliciting Jews that owned the majority of screen distribution houses to NOT accept the film.

Gibson spoke out against the Jewish effort to block his film, identifying them as Jews. Perhaps a mistake…but it was true. Then, all his bitterness came out after a Jewish cop nailed him for DWI.

Like it or not, Gibson had his own faith and religious beliefs, and the Jews in Hollywood chose to go to war against him in hatred of his temerity for expressing hmself and his thoughts as a film director. That he reciprocated, is not laudable, but understandable.

That he beat them and by blocking his financing forced him as the main investor, to make a massive pile of money as the film became a blockbuster, is even more unforgivable than his remarks - to his longtime foes.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:30 pm 73. Thomass:

pch1013:

“@TomJW: Once again, my comparison was between the amount of media attention each one received. And let’s not forget that McCain actually sought out Hagee’s endorsement.”

And McCain should take a hit for it… but it is not the same as going to a racist church for twenty years… no matter how much you might wish it so.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:35 pm 74. Brett_McS:

The Mel Gibson “F*ckin Jews” outburst was made when he was drunk; it doesn’t necessarily signify any deep feeling. It’s about time that we got beyond that pop-Freudian canard.

Anyway, as a well known Jew said at the time (paraphrasing) “When I hear some Jew spout the usual leftist tripe (appeasement of terrorists, Israel is the problem, etc), heck, I say ‘effin Jews!’”.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:37 pm 75. Sigurdrifta:

Would someone please go back and edit Javelin’s comments so I can understand them? I feel sorry for his high-school English teacher (if he/she had one) who wasted so much time.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:37 pm 76. Thomass:

HeatherRadish:

“The Moore character’s latest movie is entitled Die, You American Pigs

The soul of wit is truth, after all.”

I love America, which is why it must be destroyed.

Aug 21, 2008 - 3:42 pm 77. monkeyfan:

Sigurdrifta: Unfortunately there is a good chance Javelin actually is a high school teacher.

Aug 21, 2008 - 4:19 pm 78. Peg C.:

The fact that the liberal derangers are coming out in full-force against Zucker and this movie tells me I have to see it the weekend it comes out. I am rarely disappointed when I see something they hate. Team America World Police was good for laughs at lefties’ expense and this seems similar. Good for Zucker and his compatriots in Hollywood (they do exist).

Aug 21, 2008 - 4:52 pm 79. M. Simon:

I thought the whole Gibson thing beginning to end was interesting. And when it comes to geo-politics and capitalism most Jews in America are idiots. Disgusting idiots. My mom who helped my dad run a small business doesn’t understand economics. When I explain it to her in terms of her business she gets it. But she won’t do any thinking along those lines on her own. She has a lot of rich friends but hates “the rich”. I think she has run into Warren Buffett a few times. Likes the guy. Doesn’t like to hear that he scavenges businesses forced to sell because of the death tax. It is always the rich people she doesn’t know who are bad.

The Passion? Too much graphic torture for my taste - if the reviews and promo pictures were honest. Didn’t see the movie. I don’t watch slasher movies either.

Simon - Jewish since I was born

Aug 21, 2008 - 4:55 pm 80. Dave ll:

Marcus-
Even though this post thread has degenerated into something silly,I thought I’d answer your “me-too” comparison of “The Passion” to..what?

Saw II, III, and IV in a HORROR genre?

Right. Well that hardly deserves a response…but the Passion was NOT a horror movie, though there was plenty of blood.

NOTHING has been done since like “The Passion”…and there is PLENTY of material to pick from! Gosh, even Elizabethan-era monarchy-intrigue pictures have been done to..well, death.

I have no doubt “An American Carol” will be one-of-a-kind…and wether it becomes a classic we view every 4th of July, remains to be seen. You been bet though that any film that wishes to bash Americans over the head with how selfish, warmongering, or “ugly” we are, will not be one you sit down to watch with your family regularly.

Aug 21, 2008 - 5:08 pm 81. David Zucker and the New Hollywood Blacklist « The Rhetorican:

[...] Or will it?  Zucker is obviously established enough to be immune to any blackballing based on his particular political views; but not everyone in Hollywood can be so lucky. [...]

Aug 21, 2008 - 5:12 pm 82. bour3:

@9::58 … you were lying threw your teeth …”

Ha ha ha ha. Great visual!

Aug 21, 2008 - 5:30 pm 83. Call:

As a former member of the CHUD message boards, let me just say that leftist lunacy is nothing new for Faraci. He’s a walking, talking lefty stereotype of intolerance and rage. All bile, no sense.

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Aug 21, 2008 - 6:13 pm 85. poul:

cedarford,

> As for Mel Gibson, he has said some angry things about Jews, but lets not
> forget that Gibson was attacked by a range of Hollywood Jews and film critics

and that justifies it?

what a disgusting attempt of apology for antisemitism. next thing we know you’ll try to justify yasser arafat with similar crap. truly disgusting.

Aug 21, 2008 - 6:29 pm 86. Kent G. Budge:

I well believe Gibson is anti-Semitic. It does not follow that his movie is. This is the logical fallacy known as “poisoning the well.”

Aug 21, 2008 - 6:37 pm 87. Chester White:

“Can conservatives truly be funny?”

What sort of half-wit idiot could possibly say that? P. J. O’Rourke ALL BY HIMSELF has written more funny things than half of the leftist comedians in this country put together.

Conservatives are WAY funnier than liberals, who are famous for their furrowed-brow earnest seriousness. Hence the joke,

“How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb”?

“THAT’S NOT FUNNY!”

Aug 21, 2008 - 6:45 pm 88. Sigmund Freud:

–a scene in which ACLU members are depicted as zombies. –

So its a documentary??!??!?!?

Aug 21, 2008 - 7:12 pm 89. sigmund freud:

–a scene in which ACLU members are depicted as zombies.

So its a documentary?!?!?!?

Aug 21, 2008 - 7:16 pm 90. Jbl:

I’ve only laid down money to see two films this year, Iron Man and Dark Knight. This movie will be my third.

I know Hollywood does not care that I spend my hard earned bucks judiciously, and not on Roberts, Clooney, Moore and the rest (I loved Julia Roberts until she said “republicans can be found in the dictionary between reptiles and repugnant.” Honey if you can diss half the country with your high-school education, you don’t need my money.

Besides, as long as they can make their overseas bucks, they don’t really care.

Aug 21, 2008 - 7:30 pm 91. Jbl:

“When someone on the right “dares” to make a movie attacking left-wing thought, the lefties don’t just try to poke holes in the movie’s arguments, instead, the left tries to stop anyone from seeing the movie and being able to make up their own mind.”

Good point. I wonder if the left and the Clintons will EVER let ABC’s The Path to 9/11 see the light of day on DVD.

Aug 21, 2008 - 7:36 pm 92. Darwin Akbar:

For whatever it’s worth, I knew “journalist” Patrick Goldstein 30 years ago at Northwestern Unbiversity. He was an obnoxious liberal jerk then and apparently hasn’t grown up.

Aug 21, 2008 - 7:36 pm 93. avf:

There are a few problems with comparing Mel Gibson’s movie to David Zucker’s. First of all, Gibson made a religious film, not a political film. Gibson used sources full of anti-semitism that he incorporated into the film ie: the good Pontius Pilot (who was recalled to Rome for brutallity). Also, he made a choice to cast the Jews as a whole as the embodiement of age-old jewish charicatures featured in anti-semetic literature. He also included the line from John where the Jews as a group accept the everlasting guilt for the death of Jesus. This line was used as one of the main reasons why Jews were persecuted by the Catholic Church for centuries. As a Jew, I found these editorial choices to be beyond the pale. Political satire is not about hate.

Aug 21, 2008 - 8:53 pm 94. Vero:

My whole dance group is going to see the movie What is really cool is that all the anti-war crap movies put out by Stupidwood is sitting on our local Blockbuster shelves - no one wants them. I predict this movie will out sell all those others combined

Aug 21, 2008 - 9:17 pm 95. Lifeofthemind:

Not Blacklisting but Blackberrying same result different technology. A distinction without a difference brought by the same people who think that lawyers create content, as opposed to the valuable work they do in protecting property and clearing transaction obstacles away. Their addiction to politicking, intrigue and cruelty shows an emotional life frozen in adolescence.

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:04 pm 96. filmmaker:

We are in a war for the soul and future of America. The liberals marxist hate America and anyone that disagrees with them. They scream about free speech but they will come after you and call you every vile racist nazi name they can think of if you say anything about anything they believe in. They run Hollywood and only the rich conservatives can get anything made and out to the public. Mel was one of them, now we have Zucker. They will go after this film and attack Zucker. Mel is a unique case and I know this because one of my friends hangs out with Mel and this guy is a liberal too. Mel for years was the ‘token’ conservative that worked in liberal Hollywood and the libs ignored his form of Roman Catholicism. He was a major money maker for a lot of these Hollywood liberal jewish executives that control a major portion of this industry. They don’t run it all, but they have a lot of say. That has never bothered me because it was a group of jews that made Hollywood back by an Italian Banker. In this business you meet a lot of great people, some become life long friends and are like family members. Some of these people are jews and non jews. Like in any business you meet a lot of pricks some of them Jews and non jews. I have been in court a few times with the pricks. Now, Mel has been in this business as a major player for over 25 years and when he made the Passion he was worth around 300 million and he owned his own distribution companies. Icon Releasing handles all his foreign sales and acts as his production company that has an output deal with the major studios.

This is what happen, Mel is one crazy wild Irishman born in the USA and move to Australia when he was in high school. Since he was a ‘Yank” the Aussie’s kids would pick on the yank and Mel grew up hard and fast. In one fight in a bar they cut his face so bad that is was almost off his skull. You can see the scar under his jaw. IT was after this incident his sister got him into acting and the rest is history. Mel comes from the pre vatican II Roman catholic church the same I do. THE PASSION was the first film to show Christ getting the ever living hell kicked out of him. In Hollywood films in the past we rarely saw Christ’s face and if we did we saw a trickle of blood. All clean and done nice. Now, the marxist liberals and a lot of non religious jews went after Mel and the Passion. There is a huge anti-catholic hatred in this town and in this country, just look at the past few years of films about the Catholic Church. If they got away with making these films about gays, jews or blacks the shit would hit the fan. But its OK to piss on the pope, put Christ in a jar of urine and dump of the virgin Mary.

Mel, wants to make this film, where a bunch of jews kill a jew! This jewish rabbi was a rabble rouser and a threat to the authority to the High Priest. Christ knew exactly what he was doing, after all he was God and he came here to die for all our worthless sins. IF the Romans were not in Judea at the time of Christ, then the High Priest, once Christ said he was the Messiah in front of the entire Jewish Sanhedrin. The High Priest had the right under the law of Moses to take Christ outside the temple walls and stone Christ to death. That was the law and their right to execute a blasphemer. The jews could not execute anyone under occupation of the Roman Army. So in the night they moved Christ around and got him sentenced by the Romans and killed as a common criminal. They took him out to Calvary which was outside the city walls, it was the city dump were all the dead and garbage was burned all day and night long. What is so anti-Semitic about the truth. You want to attack anyone go after God, this was all pre-ordained when he promised Adam and eve a redeemer. Again, one has to believe in this stuff.

So Mel gets this script done from the writing of a Catholic Nun in the 14th century I think. I read this book and the visuals are awesome and Mel should have shot that book exactly what she saw. Everyone attacks Mel, he didn’t use hardly nothing that she saw in her visions. As far as the scourging and crucifixion, if you think what you saw in that film was brutal, he shot maybe 10% for what she describes. Mel had the money and the opportunity to shoot exactly what she describes in that book and it would have been jaw-dropping. With the CGI effects it would have been a masterpiece. He went for the clean version. Then he got nuked by the media, the JDL by Abraham and I forget his name at this moment, but when Abe came out of the theater, he said it wasn’t anti-Semitic and after he spent a year calling Mel and his father everything but nazis. He never sent Mel an apology. I would have sent Abe a thank you letter. It was a nothing but a big dog and phony show of the leftist fascist to go after a conservative Roman Catholic who has his own church. Mel, behind the scenes must have loved it because he couldn’t pay for this kind of publicity. He gross 600 million and all that went into his bank account. Remember, he funded the production for 30 million. That is his negative cost, then he had a first and last refusal with 20th and when Murdock refuse to release this film. Mel was now THE DISTRIBUTOR! The media said he had no one to pick up the film. The media are the dumbest shits in the world they are clueless on how this business is run. What Mel did was brilliant and the underlining reason he was attack, was because he ‘OWED’ the entire income stream. He got all this free publicity and I believe Mel probably had his 85 year old Dad say some whacky shit just to keep the film and Mel in the news. Remember, in Hollywood nothing is by chance, it is all planned. Mel then got all these Christian Churches to buy blocks of tickets all over the world and does anyone know that before the film open Mel was in profit on the 30 million production cost. Then Mel hired this distributor under what they call a ‘renter distributorship’ deal that means Mel pays them a small fee for doing all the day to day work of sending out the prints and advertising cost. This means that New Market was working for Mel and could not mess with the books. The box office goes to Icon and then Mel pays New Market. This film has made Mel a billionaire. Does anyone what the interest is on a billion dollars? Mel is bullet proof and this town lost its head, not because we see romans and jews killing a jew. It was because mel broke the unwritten rule in Hollywood. You do not spend your own money on your own film. He also put up the P&A money and Mel NEVER gave a dime in tribute to the powers that run Hollywood, both Jews and gentiles. This town is like a legalized mob and one has to kick money upstairs if one wants to be invited to the parties or even win an Oscar.

There is no anti-semitism in THE PASSION even the head of the JDL said so after he saw the film. Mel was blackballed by the leftist fascist and he never got an Oscar and never will. He doesn’t need one, all he has to do know is check his bank balance and laugh his crazy Irish ass off. As far as that night in Malibu, well Mel is a big drinker and has been for years. He gets wild, I know, drinkers like him, I use to drink and raise hell like him years ago. Mel kept it up. The Deputy Sheriff that pulled him over, Mel knew, as a matter of fact Mel knew all the Deputies from that Malibu station because he has had them up at his home for parties and functions. Mel has given that station thousands of dollars. This deputy knew Mel and knew how Mel can be when he is drunk. Mel had just come back from mexico and I feel, that he had a fight with the wife that night. He wanted to go out after being away from home for six months. He has been married for as long as I have and after working on a film for months, sometimes you want to go out and yell at the moon and bring the wife along. Wives sometimes just want to stay home and go to bed early. He must have left pissed off because he had that bottle with him in the car and he went to Moonshadows drinking while driving. So by the time he got to the Restaurant he was feeling real good. As the night went on, he was drinking, flirting with the girls and taking photos and I am sure there were a lot of regulars there. Then he left and met the police in a dark Mailbu road that they love to sit and wait to catch movie stars that could be drunk and the met this wild Irishman who was in no mood to deal with them. This deputy that arrest Mel was jewish and Mel knew this and was busting his balls as one will do if someone you know is arresting you. I thought the line “sugar tits” would end up in a slew of films. What goes on behind the scenes is nothing what you read about and then base your own opinions on. There are a few other things I know that I promise not to tell from a few of the film bookers that worked with Mel in the distribution. It was a brilliant marketing plan that carried him into the billionaire realm.

What Mel should have done to neutralize the liberals, he should have had that courtyard packed with North Koreans yelling crucify him!

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:50 pm 97. cedarford:

“As for Mel Gibson, he has said some angry things about Jews, but lets not forget that Gibson was attacked by a range of Hollywood Jews and film critics ”

Poul -
and that justifies it?

what a disgusting attempt of apology for antisemitism. next thing we know you’ll try to justify yasser arafat with similar crap. truly disgusting

Your huffy outrage would be more credible if you hadn’t cleverly omitted my next two sentences.

Like it or not, Gibson had his own faith and religious beliefs, and the Jews in Hollywood chose to go to war against him in hatred of his temerity for expressing himself and his thoughts as a film director. That he reciprocated, is not laudable, but understandable.

Your word-twisting, sly omissions, and comparing Gibson to a terrorist (thank you at least for not sinking to the Hitler!! accusation) is admirable, in a way that the members of the Sanhedrin would appreciate.

Before Gibson ever vented off on Jews, Jewish groups and activists were at war with him to block his religious film. Then threatening members of his crew and cast with career retaliation in Hollywood. And lastly attempting to financially ruin Gibson by denying him access to distribute his film through the majority of screen distribution channels - which Jews persuaded by the anti-”Passion” Jewish groups and individual activists, had control of.

Gibson held his bile, until late in the war the Jewish opposition had started..

1. Then held a press conference stating Jewish activists were trying to suppress his film from release, and were attempting to ruin him financially..
2. And of course, after the film made a brilliant box office success - vented off on a Jewish cop while drunk as a skunk.

Left unanswered:

1. Why Hollywood continues to single out openly Christian characters as the bad people, almost by the same formula applied to evil CEO kingpins that are behind the conspiracies, as a matter of routine on TV and in movies. Which, if similarly done to Jews, Muslims, or poor black office workers - would lead to 20 or so new, well-founded charges of racism or bigotry by Hollywood every month.

2. Why, with the success of “The Passion”, have Hollywood “players” squelched other Christian film proposals?

3. If the Christian New Testament, the Gospels, are wrong, evil, and anti-Semitic and should not be taught to kids - why not just come out and say so?
And apply similar censorship to what others see as odious parts of the Qu’ran and Talmudic writings?

avf - Gibson used sources full of anti-semitism that he incorporated into the film

Yep, those evil Christians with their evil, lying Gospels!

Aug 21, 2008 - 10:59 pm 98. Anonymous:

Chicopanther: “When someone on the right “dares” to make a movie attacking left-wing thought, the lefties don’t just try to poke holes in the movie’s arguments, instead, the left tries to stop anyone from seeing the movie and being able to make up their own mind.”

Javelin: “give me example. I don’t recall any theaters being bombed or any film makers being assassinated by leftists in America, or for that matter rightists. How are these evil leftists stopping people from attending the movie, by criticizing the movie? Free publicity, even negative, is priceless in mass media these days.”

SEE “INDOCTRINATE U.” One doesn’t seem to “recall” much that isn’t seen in theaters, but it’s easier to snidely exaggerate about bombings, I suppose.

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:10 am 99. poul:

cedarford, as every zoological antisemite, you extrapolate actions of some jews to “jews”, as in “the jews”.

and your gospels are mostly a product of mistranslation from hebrew and aramaic.

and you’re lying about “two ancient Talmuds”.

and finally, you and gibson don’t even measure up to hitler, you’re exactly the arafat caliber.

Aug 22, 2008 - 1:51 am 100. SAF:

Well I usually don’t go to the movies preferring to wait until it is out on DVD so I can watch in the comfort of my home. But to support Zucker we will go see An American Carroll in the movies.

Aug 22, 2008 - 3:57 am 101. tgb1000:

At least we now know why Meryl Streep gets all the good roles and Bo Derek gets none: liberal bias!

Aug 22, 2008 - 4:33 am 102. tgb1000:

Michael Moore is fat! Ha! And so is Ted Kennedy! That is pure comedy GOLD! Anyone who disagrees must really hate America.

Aug 22, 2008 - 4:35 am 103. TomJW:

pch1013:
Aug 21, 2008 - 12:46 pm

It is not the press’ business to turn a blind eye to anything.

Your equated the 2 relationships continue to be a lie. Stop with throwing out distractions on other issues and answer for your lie.

And as far as the press covering Wright, I answered this for you already, you liar:
Jul 31, 2008 - 12:25 pm TomJW:
pch1013:
@TomJW: However, the fact remains that everyone knows about Jeremiah Wright. If the media were so slavishly pro-Obama as almost everyone here is insisting, would that be the case?
Jul 31, 2008 - 10:23 am
It is because the MSM never shuts up about Obama is why every little thing about him ends up played, replayed, and rereplayed on the news. That is why we heard so much about Wright.
To top it off, when the Wright church first hit the news, the MSM tried to make it sound like a main stream black church. Only after the ‘God Damn America’ stuff came out did the MSM hear other black church officials condemn the Wright church as unchristian. Obama had to make 2 speeches about him as well that were ‘carefully’ explained to us by the MSM.
When the MSM takes so long to get the story straight, it is remembered.
Again, you cannot equate Obama’s relationship with Wright with McCain’s relationship with Hagee without lying.

Again, your a liar.

Aug 22, 2008 - 4:43 am 104. logdon:

As a Brit I wonder what it takes to get moderated here? By comparison our comment pages are controlled by a stazi-like pc and moral relativity which makes me boil. And in contradiction to our assumed fallacy of intellectual superiority the comments are both intelligent and funny with a kind of freedom and breadth of vision jut not allowed in our socialist hell hole. You guys loved Blair but you wouldn’t like it if he did to you what he did to us. As for his successor, don’t get me started.

Aug 22, 2008 - 4:48 am 105. Ed Wallis:

My sympathies go to you, logdon.

As to movies, “The History Boys” well confirms your comments about “moral relativity” and “assumed fallacy of intellectual superiority” over there.

Aug 22, 2008 - 4:57 am 106. Ed Wallis:

FROM
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/
“Surprise!… Hollywood Libs Hold “Black & White” Bash For Obama”

“[Fran] Drescher said she originally supported Hillary Clinton but now is fully behind Obama. “He stands for everything that I believe in,” she said. “I think he’s inspirational, and that’s what this country needs right now.”

“The well informed Hollywood elitists believe America needs an America bashing neo-Marxist with terrorist friends leading the nation.”

“Figures.”

NO BIAS HERE, SAYS ‘JAVELIN’. FIGURES.

Aug 22, 2008 - 5:17 am 107. goy:

logdon - as a point of reference, I had a post moderated the other day, which I think the few folks who read my infrequent messages here will find surprising.

On re-re-reading I know precisely the reason, although I also know that the thoughts I expressed (which were not directed toward any of the other posters and which contained no profanity or other content typically warranting moderation) are on the minds of others who visit here.

The moderation was justified because (at least I must assume, since I wasn’t given a reason, nor did I expect one) it was over a question of propriety and good taste, not over the expression of opposing ideas - which I think may be the sort of moderation you’re referring to.

So… it does happen.

Aug 22, 2008 - 5:24 am 108. Balloon Juice:

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Aug 22, 2008 - 5:37 am 110. Greg in LA:

Wow, conservatives sure are cry babies!

Aug 22, 2008 - 6:42 am 111. Mommynator:

We will have to make a family and friends outing to see it if it’s distributed to make sure it succeeds.

Aug 22, 2008 - 6:45 am 112. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Greg in LA

“Wow, conservatives sure are cry babies!” — Greg in LA

Projection, anyone?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I’ve seen more useless whining from the so-called ‘Progressives’ than from any other group. Followed by more control-freakishness.

[Progressive is a one-word oxymoron.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 7:22 am 113. The Hollywood Blacklist Lives | KyleSmithOnline.com:

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Aug 22, 2008 - 7:33 am 114. PureLogic:

Fran Drescher is supporting Obama and Angelina Jolie is not. So does that mean we can expect their careers to now be switched, thanks to the liberal cabal? Somehow I doubt that is going to happen. But clearly, George Clooney keeps getting great roles that should have gone to Jon Voight. The only explanation is liberal bias.

Aug 22, 2008 - 7:44 am 115. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Pure[il]Logic
RE: Would You Like to Play a Game?

“Fran Drescher is supporting Obama and Angelina Jolie is not. So does that mean we can expect their careers to now be switched, thanks to the liberal cabal?” — Pure[il]Logic

Where’s your premise that Drescher’s career would make a come-back?

We DO have one that Angelina Jolie could suffer for her political stance.

But if Drescher makes a comeback, that would certainly help prove Nolte’s theory.

In the meantime, if Jolie’s career stumbles, that’s proof too.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Got a copy of Wff n’ Proof?

Aug 22, 2008 - 7:58 am 116. Wolf Pangloss:

RE: Javelin and anti-Semitism (aka Judenhass, or Jew Hatred)

Passion of the Christ is based on the events as written in Luke. Aside from the Roman soldiers and Pontius Pilate, every single person in the story is a Jew. Jesus is a Jew. His apostles are Jews. His mother and adoptive father are Jews. Mary Magdalene is a Jew. How can what Jews do to a Jew be taken as proof of Judenhass rather than as a tragic story of man’s inhumanity to man? Taken for what it is, Passion is not Judenhass.

Mel Gibson, on the other hand, said some really ugly things when he was drunk out of his mind. Now he was raised by a viciously Jew-hating father. I suspect that as a mostly reformed alcoholic, when Mel Gibson drinks all sorts of ugly things from his past appear like monsters from a nightmare. I know that back when I used to get drunk I would later hear all sorts of random crazy stuff that I had done or said. If you have ever gotten stupid drunk you will recall you’ve done the same thing. That’s a good reason to not drink to excess. But it does not prove that you believe in your nightmares when you are back in your right mind. That’s how I think it is with Gibson.

In fact, isn’t the insanity of drunkenness the argument that carried Prohibition into law?

So if you want to be a hater when it comes to Gibson, blaming your hate alternately on his supposed Judenhass and on the Passion he filmed as an expression of his Latin Mass Catholicism, then feel free. But don’t expect us to buy into the same equation you believe. One does not equal the other. Your delusion is no proof otherwise.

Aug 22, 2008 - 8:04 am 117. PureLogic:

Someone upthread quoted Drescher saying she’s voting Obama. So the liberal cabal will no doubt now elevate her, to the detriment of all the struggling Republican actresses out there who can’t get a break just because of how they vote. Jolie, on the other hand, will never work in this town again, mark my words. Proof: Clooney has people lined up to hire him, but Ben Stein sits by the phone, weeping.

Aug 22, 2008 - 8:08 am 118. Stephen:

Maybe it’s just that people who think like a conservative tend to be pedantic, authoritarian assholes, who produce drivel and are difficult to work with …

Aug 22, 2008 - 8:12 am 119. DISGUSTED:

Who ARE you people?

Aug 22, 2008 - 8:13 am 120. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DISGUSTED
RE: We People

“Who ARE you people?” — DISGUSTED

We’re the people who defend the Constitution of the United States for EVERYBODY.

Does that help?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Freedom isn't free.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 8:45 am 121. Chuck Pelto:

TO: PureLogic
RE: Ach Tso!

“Jolie, on the other hand, will never work in this town again, mark my words. Proof: Clooney has people lined up to hire him, but Ben Stein sits by the phone, weeping.” — PureLogic

I misunderstood you earlier comment. My apologies.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There's too much blood in my caffeine system.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 8:48 am 122. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: More Projection

“Maybe it’s just that people who think like a conservative tend to be pedantic, authoritarian assholes, who produce drivel and are difficult to work with…” — Stephen

Yeah. That’s why we’ll see all those ‘conservatives’ raising hell in Denver next week. Those godless Bible-thumpers!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Rebel, a person who has yet to install his own form of mis-government.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 8:50 am 123. Roy:

Filmmaker, thanks for trying to clarify the bull. I enjoyed reading your comments.

Aug 22, 2008 - 9:04 am 124. demer:

Man, this is one of the craziest, stupidest and scariest threads I’ve ever read on the internet.

It’s not hard now to imagine the guy who shot up the UUA church because he ‘hates’ liberals or the reported motive of the Anthrax letters now when reading the insanity of this “movement”.

You all are about as American as I am Chinese. Please move to the Middle East - your attitudes would fit in much better with the zealots over there.

Aug 22, 2008 - 9:15 am 125. Mo:

Another round of commentary on Zucker’s film (the only conservative biased comedy to come out of liberal-lala land in decades) is just yet more proof that once you convert to marxism you lose your sense of humor.

Aug 22, 2008 - 9:19 am 126. TomJW:

demer:
Aug 22, 2008 - 9:15 am

You’re kiddung, right? Over the last couple monthes you should have been a conservative saying you would not vote for McCain. Then came the flood of insults and idiot logic declaring ‘you’re voting Obama into office’. This is what it seems to happen nowadays when people disagree with each other.

Aug 22, 2008 - 9:33 am 127. pch1013:

“It is because the MSM never shuts up about Obama is why every little thing about him ends up played, replayed, and rereplayed on the news. That is why we heard so much about Wright.”

Ah, so you admit that the allegedly 100% pro-Obama MSM is willing to report negative things about him. At last we’re getting somewhere!

Aug 22, 2008 - 10:05 am 128. goy:

- … pedantic, authoritarian assholes, who produce drivel …

Judging by wholesale rejection of their “efforts” by American filmgoers, the above more accurately describes the lineup of producers and directors responsible for the dozen-or-so “anti-war” (read: anti-America) films that have tanked over the last couple years.

Aug 22, 2008 - 10:07 am 129. DBH:

John Nolte uses an original approach for proving that conservatives are being persecuted in Hollywood. He begins by admitting there’s no persecution — no ‘literal’ or ‘actual’ blacklist. Nancy Pelosi isn’t glaring at frightened screenwriters and asking “Are you now or have you ever been a Republican?” Jon Voight isn’t hiding in Paris and making his own version of “Rififi.”

Confronted with this reality he pouts “Fine.” Then he switches tactics by inventing the term ‘Passioning.’ He’s referring to the heavy criticism Mel Gibson received for making “The Passion of the Christ.” ‘Reasonable people,’ he insists, would regard this criticism as the equivalent of blacklisting.

First of all, Nolte barely references the exact point of that criticism — that Gibson’s movie was anti-semitic. He mumbles something about the filmmaker’s ‘darker side’ and leaves it at that. Second, if there was an attempt to repress Gibson’s film, it failed completely at driving away dollars. Nolte argues that the lack of copycat films proves there’s a blacklist. He’s not referring to the absence of flicks with Aramaic dialogue and eight-minute torture scenes. He’s talking about films aimed at the Bible-believing market. I guess “The Nativity Story” doesn’t count. Nor does all that talk about the religious subtext in the Narnia films. Nor does the Christian right enthusiasm for such movies as “Amazing Grace,” “One Night with the King” and “Bella.”

Let’s put that aside, though, and focus on Nolte’s main point. If you print harsh criticism of a film like “The Passion of the Christ” or “An American Carol,” then you must be part of a network that represses such movies. How does such a network operate? Neither Frank Rich nor Christopher Hitchens have any say in which scripts get the green light. Neither does Patrick Goldstein nor Jeffrey Wells. How do they influence the Sumner Redstones and Rupert Murdochs of this world? Nolte doesn’t explain that. He collapses all of his ideological opponents into the ‘leftist Hollywood establishment’ and lets his readers’ imagination do the rest.

I actually wish “An American Carol” and Nolte’s own project financial health, as I wish well for all trying to make it in the entertainment industry. However, I fear that any success will not dampen Nolte’s peculiar resentment. If criticism amounts to persecution, then life will continue to look very bleak in his eyes.

Aug 22, 2008 - 10:10 am 130. goy:

- Nancy Pelosi isn’t glaring at frightened screenwriters and asking “Are you now or have you ever been a Republican?”

Oh, please.

DBH, the reason Pelosi’s NOT doing this is because - unlike McCarthy during his time - she would be locked in a small rubber room if she did. Furthermore, noting that Hollywood’s defense is their claim that there’s no literal, physical blacklist somewhere is decidedly NOT the same thing as “admitting there’s no persecution”.

So your version of the reality with which Nolte is “confronted” is complete fantasy. As such, your basic premises are completely invalid. And the rest of your post follows suit.

Aug 22, 2008 - 11:00 am 131. Chuck Pelto:

TO: goy
RE: Really?

“….the reason Pelosi’s NOT doing this is because - unlike McCarthy during his time - she would be locked in a small rubber room if she did.” — Goy

It’s kind of funny, but around this town, predominantly Dimocrat, it’s hard to get employment if you’re known to be a Republican.

Case in point, the distaff ran for the state legislature in 2006 as a Republican. She was defeated. The place is about 2/3ds registered Dimocrats.

About 8 months ago, an associate in the county Republican party structure was out at dinner in a restaurant. The group next to him mentioned the distaff’s name, which pricked up his ears. The next comment—from another member of the group—was, “Yes. But she’s a Republican.”

He reported that that seemed to put a squelch on the discussion in that group.

Interesting mentality, that.

Furthermore, the Dimocrats and their supporters/enablers are well-known to be flip-flopping hypocrites.

Case in point….

Look at Mr. Bill and his philandering ways. NOW, supposedly ALL FOR EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN against men, was railing for YEARS about men in positions of power using such position for sexual favors.

Where was NOW during the Lewinsky scandal? No where to be seen or heard…except in support of Mr. Bill.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 11:16 am 132. Javelin:

Wolf Pangloss(how pretensious)
I do not hate Mel Gibson, but he is an anti-Semite. Where did I say I hated him? Maybe you are projecting your own feelings.

If you are too ignorant to realize that passion plays are the original “evil Jews kill good people, and god too, by manipulating goy to do their dirty work” then you are pretty ignorant. I realize Hannity and Rush don’t cover such mundane topcs. The passion plays historically served as a vehicle of Jew hatred That’s why I don’t buy the Gospel version of the Crucifixion. None of the apostles had any intimacy with Pilate or his court. Pilate was not a stooge of the Jews, who he oppressed, and he ordered Jesus’s death because he thought it served Rome’s purpose, not to placate the Jewish elders. The apostles, being part of a breakaway sect, were eager to vilify the Jews as well as whitewash Roman culpability so they could sell Christianity better to Roman citizens. Breakaway sects, religious or political, seem to hate the ones they broke off from the most. The motif of the passion still exists today, like those evil neocon Jews manipulating Bush and the goy into the Iraq war. Like I said, I don’t hate Mel, he is merely a product of traditional Catholic religious upbringing. My experience with a lot of traditional Catholics is that bigotry againt Jews is common, and please don’t whitewash that. I also acknowledge the reachout made by many Christians in the past 50 years to reverse that too, which has mitigated most of it.
What I despise is the willful ignorance and dishonesty of many cons, Jews too, who seem to want to believe that Christians are all Jew’s friends and the anti-Semites are just leftists or Muslims. The Holocaust couldn’t have succeeded without centuries of Christian anti-Semitism inculcating Jew hatred.
So when Ben Stein acts like Darwin was the motivator for the Holocaust, as he sells his movie to Evnagelicals, I have to laugh at his shallowness and mendacity. As if the millions of good Jew hating Christians who pitched in to help Hitler got that idea from the Evolution section of their high school bio text.

Aug 22, 2008 - 11:51 am 133. pch1013:

“It’s kind of funny, but around this town, predominantly Dimocrat, it’s hard to get employment if you’re known to be a Republican.

Case in point, the distaff ran for the state legislature in 2006 as a Republican. She was defeated. The place is about 2/3ds registered Dimocrats.”

Imagine that — a Republican having a hard time getting elected in a predominantly Democratic district. Obviously this is conclusive proof of a IslamoDemoNaziCommieFascist conspiracy to deprive her of her inalienable right to hold political office!!!1!11!

Has Mrs. Chuck(le) been able to find employment elsewhere? I certainly hope so.

Aug 22, 2008 - 11:55 am 134. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Ignorance Is Less than ‘Bliss’

“As if the millions of good Jew hating Christians who pitched in to help Hitler got that idea from the Evolution section of their high school bio text.” — Javelin

Anyone who knows ANYTHING about Christianity KNOWS that REAL Christians do not hate the Hebrews.

Javelin, despite all of the advice for him to learn about his ‘enemy’ refuses to even read the documentation that can be found in many motel rooms.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Know your enemy and know yourself and you shall never be defeated. -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War]

P.S. I know Javelin and his ilk better than he knows Christians. So I guess I’ve got the proverbial upper hand in any debate….

….too bad for him, eh…..

Aug 22, 2008 - 11:58 am 135. Chuck Pelto:

TO: pch1013
RE: Nope

“Has Mrs. Chuck(le) been able to find employment elsewhere? I certainly hope so.” — pch1013

We’re sort of anchored here at this time, Mrs. Chuck(le)’s mother has terminal cancer of the mouth. We’re tending to her.

Or would you rather we left her to her ‘fate’, unbefriended and alone?

Very ‘Progressive’ of you….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A handful of friends is worth more than a wagon full of gold.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:00 pm 136. poul:

chuck pelto, christians were massacring jews for about two millenia - i guess in your world it was done out of love? christians murdered jews so they’ll become martyrs and go to heaven?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:07 pm 137. pch1013:

“Or would you rather we left her to her ‘fate’, unbefriended and alone?”

Why on earth would you leap to a conclusion like that? I assume that in your town, there are other employment opportunities available besides serving in the Legislature. That’s what I meant by “elsewhere,” sorry if that was unclear.

Best wishes to your MIL and your family as you deal with what must be a devastating situation.

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:09 pm 138. DBH:

“DBH, the reason Pelosi’s NOT doing this is because - unlike McCarthy during his time - she would be locked in a small rubber room if she did.”

Or maybe she doesn’t wanna do it. That’s my particular interpretation, but I think we’re both agreed. There is no blacklist. Which makes me wonder why Nolte keeps using the word.

“Furthermore, noting that Hollywood’s defense is their claim that there’s no literal, physical blacklist somewhere is decidedly NOT the same thing as “admitting there’s no persecution.”

Well, again this is a matter of differing standards. If you admit that you have no ‘literal’ proof that there’s persecution, then you have said, in my mind, that there’s no persecution. I can’t help reading the word ‘literal’ literally.

Nolte’s main evidence of a ‘Passioning’ network is a few editorials written by people with no say on what gets produced. Pardon me if I’m not convinced.

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:11 pm 139. Chuck Pelto:

TO: DBH
RE: Well….

“Pardon me if I’m not convinced.” — DBH

…you’re welcome to your ignorance. Just TRY to avoid being proud of it.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:25 pm 140. Gail S:

I have paid full price for about 1 movie ticket or DVD in the past decade. I am going to see this movie many times and pay full price for the DVD when it is released…even if it sucks. I hope others will join me in rewarding Mr. Zucker for standing up to the degraded and treasonous Hollywood social engineering machine.

Best regards to all,

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:26 pm 141. Chuck Pelto:

TO: pch1013
RE: [OT] Why Say Such a Think?

“Why on earth would you leap to a conclusion like that?” — pch1013

Because I know more about the Progressive agenda than you know about the Christian agenda.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Know your enemy and know yourself and you shall never be defeated. -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War]

P.S. And it IS a ‘war’, buckie…..

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:27 pm 142. Chuck Pelto:

TO: poul
RE: Ignorant and Proud of It?

“…christians were massacring jews for about two millenia ” — poul

If they are not abiding by what Christ said….

….they are NOT christians.

Got that? [Note: Probably not....]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]

P.S. Thanks for providing prima facia proof of what I just told DBH…and others observing this discussion.

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:30 pm 143. Gail S:

pc103 - I’m a conservative. I can afford to see this movie many times, still contribute to McCain’s campaign and every other Republican who is running for a congressional office.

Funny thing is that before my daughter came back from college a raving liberal, insulting me and her nation, I considered myself an Independent, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. This year is the first time I have ever made campaign contributions. It is the first time I will register as a Republican.

Y’all do it to yourselves with your meanness and efforts to undermine our nation and its people. Why not just move to Iran, Venezuela or Cuba where you will be among friends.
Best regards,,

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:32 pm 144. pch1013:

@Chuck(le): Well, you’re certainly welcome to your opinion. And I realize you have a compulsive need to demonize anyone who disagrees with you politically, to the extent of denying that any such person is capable of normal human feelings, such as empathy.

But for the record: I’m not the one discussing the Christian agenda here — that’s someone else. And believe it or not, at least some of us non-Republicans are decent people who don’t think cancer patients should be left all alone to die.

Aug 22, 2008 - 12:56 pm 145. pch1013:

“Why not just move to Iran, Venezuela or Cuba where you will be among friends.”

I hope you don’t talk to your daughter that way…

Aug 22, 2008 - 1:22 pm 146. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Mere Projection, Anyone?

“…I realize you have a compulsive need to demonize anyone who disagrees with you politically….” — pch1013

“…to the extent of denying that any such person is capable of normal human feelings, such as empathy.” — pch1013

Please show me the list of Christians who voted for euthanasia in Oregon, vs. the non-REAL christians who voted for it.

RE: For the ‘Record’?

“But for the record: I’m not the one discussing the Christian agenda here — that’s someone else. And believe it or not, at least some of us non-Republicans are decent people who don’t think cancer patients should be left all alone to die.” — pch1013

Then why are you jumping into this? If not for some peculiar political purpose? Mere dust thrown into the ‘air’ in order to protect yourself? Sorry. You’re identified as a contender in the issue.

Oh…Yes….Lest I forget that business about ‘decent people’….

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one…. Romans 3:10–

Getting a ‘clue’ here?

Regads,

Chuck(le)
[Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Stupidity is ignorance with pride.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 1:43 pm 147. pch1013:

“why are you jumping into this?”

You’re the one who threw me into it, by accusing me of — well, something, I’m not sure exactly what.

Reminder: the topic of the article to which these comments are appended is David Zucker’s new movie. I submitted my $.02 on that topic way upthread, then later, through no fault of mine, the thread derailed.

I know how upsetting is can be for some people when they are disagreed with in a public (albeit anonymous) forum, which probably explains your propensity for constantly changing the subject, groundless innuendo, sweeping generalizations, straw-man arguments, and so on. Maybe you’d prefer it if all non-Republicans stayed out of this forum altogether, perhaps by being banned or censored by the PJM management.

A blacklist, if you will.

Aug 22, 2008 - 1:56 pm 148. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: pch1013 & Cuba

“I hope you don’t talk to your daughter that way…” — pch1013

And all this time I thought the ‘progressives’ supported socialism.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Progressive is a one-word oxymoron.]

Aug 22, 2008 - 2:00 pm 149. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Mere Obfuscation

“Reminder: the topic of the article to which these comments are appended is David Zucker’s new movie. I submitted my $.02 on that topic way upthread, then later, through no fault of mine, the thread derailed.” - pch1013

Be it as it may that the discussion is about ‘conservative’, a.k.a. [real] ‘christian’ ethics in the so-called ‘movie industry’, pch1013 likes to attempt to distance itself [not knowing the appropriate pronoun] from its earlier claims/comments.

Typical ‘progressive’ modus operandi.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Aug 22, 2008 - 2:09 pm 150. Martini Revolution » More Things I Wish I’d Written:

[...] Trainwreck Media’s attempted hagiography of David Zucker’s for his careersuicide bomb “An American [...]

Aug 22, 2008 - 2:13 pm 151. Dirty Harry’s Place… » DHP Review: Blocking ‘The Path To 9/11′:

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Aug 22, 2008 - 2:17 pm 152. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: [OT] Medical Care a la Progressive Style

Looking at it from the up-close-and-personal manner, i.e., a member of the immediate family is dying of a horrible ailment that has turned her jaw and neck into something of a cross between being attacked by a maniac with a ballpeen hammer and/or acid….

….let me say THIS!

We’ve got serious problems in the medical industry. [Note: An industry similar in concept and operation to the 'Movie Industry'.]

It’s not a political think. It’s not a philosophical think. Rather, based on my observations over the last 5 years, a monetary think.

More on this concept later….and in a different venue….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The evidence can be, for the moment, self-evident by the rules, i.e., ‘laws’, laid down by the FDA and the AMA and other government and quasi-government agenicies that the medical industry hides behind. [Note: I’m beginning to figure this out on a better understanding of the application of ‘at-home’ IV for nutrition and pain-relief vis-a-vis hospital vs. hospice care. The point being that the treatment you ask of hospice is not, repeat NOT, supported by Medicare. Instead, you have to check into a $10,000 per night ‘motel’ room in a hospital, if you want IV treatment for nurishment and pain-relief. But if you go for hospice, it’s covered by Medicare.

Anyone else getting a ‘clue’ here?

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Aug 22, 2008 - 2:30 pm 153. Jeff Perren:

If you’re as dismayed as I am about the content and style of modern films, you have a choice.

With very rare exceptions, I haven’t seen a film newer than copyright 1968 in over 20 years. And I watch on average five films per week.

Hit ‘em where it hurts. Don’t pay to see their films.

Aug 22, 2008 - 2:32 pm 154. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. In the meantime….my mother-in-law–God bless her spirit—experiences a canker-sore that involves her entire mouth; lips—cracked and oozing—, tongue swollen and ulcerated, cheeks painful.

And the local hospital won’t do squat about it unless she checks in to their ‘motel room’.

Go fig….

Aug 22, 2008 - 2:33 pm 155. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. If the so-called ‘progressives’ REALLY want to pick a fight….

…they should not be targeting oil companies. Nor Hollywood. Rather they should be targeing REAL suffering, as in the so-called medical industry……

Aug 22, 2008 - 2:34 pm