Comments on: Dead End: The North Korean Crisis http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:25:23 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Gordon G. Chang http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-116074 Gordon G. Chang Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:19:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-116074 Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg: There are ways to stuff North Korea back into the box without the use of force. North Korea, I should remind you, is also about Iran, Syria, Algeria, and every other nation that wants the bomb. They are all looking at what we do with Korea. Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg: There are ways to stuff North Korea back into the box without the use of force.

North Korea, I should remind you, is also about Iran, Syria, Algeria, and every other nation that wants the bomb. They are all looking at what we do with Korea.

]]> By: Gordon G. Chang http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-116071 Gordon G. Chang Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:17:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-116071 Bogdan of Australia: agreed. Bogdan of Australia: agreed.

]]> By: Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-115753 Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:19:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-115753 What in the hell should we go to war for in shithole-North Korea? Let Koreans bleed on their own country if they want to. Or the Chinese or anybody else. What in the hell should we go to war for in shithole-North Korea?

Let Koreans bleed on their own country if they want to. Or the Chinese or anybody else.

]]> By: Bogdan of Australia http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-115708 Bogdan of Australia Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:42:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-115708 Since Reagan's presidency had ended the entire US foreign policy was based on fantasy; in every aspect: in respect of relationship with China, Asia, Russia, Middle East, Europe, Latin and South America. Even towards Australia. Everything has been based on fantasy. The consecive US administrations developed an infantile perception that the America's outstretched helping hand would be regarded as a gesture of friendship. It has ALWAYS been regarded as a sign of a weakness. Now America is beginning to reap reward... Since Reagan’s presidency had ended the entire US foreign policy was based on fantasy; in every aspect: in respect of relationship with China, Asia, Russia, Middle East, Europe, Latin and South America. Even towards Australia. Everything has been based on fantasy. The consecive US administrations developed an infantile perception that the America’s outstretched helping hand would be regarded as a gesture of friendship. It has ALWAYS been regarded as a sign of a weakness. Now America is beginning to reap reward…

]]> By: Gordon G. Chang http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-115040 Gordon G. Chang Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:55:14 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-115040 jan3728, Obamabots will be no match for North Koreans. How do we know this? Because we have seen that the Bushies are not either. Can Obama be worse than Bush? Maybe not. Bush, after all, has set a very low standard. Failure on matters North Korean is, unfortunately, bipartisan. jan3728, Obamabots will be no match for North Koreans. How do we know this? Because we have seen that the Bushies are not either.

Can Obama be worse than Bush? Maybe not. Bush, after all, has set a very low standard.

Failure on matters North Korean is, unfortunately, bipartisan.

]]> By: jan3728@verizon.net http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-115001 jan3728@verizon.net Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:55:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-115001 Any comments on the terminal naivete of the Obamabots and the liberal mindset? Dudnt they tell us there was no "axis of evil" and if we just, well, talked and uh talked and talked somemore everything would turn out just fine. Any comments on the terminal naivete of the
Obamabots and the liberal mindset?
Dudnt they tell us there was no “axis of evil” and if we just, well, talked and uh talked and talked somemore everything would turn out just fine.

]]> By: Gordon G. Chang http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-114907 Gordon G. Chang Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:41:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-114907 jvon and Ex-fetus, we could have won the Korean War. Neither Truman nor Eisenhower were willing to do so because of American public opinion. We, as a nation, failed at a critical moment. To win then would have been costly, but not as costly as failing in the long run. The price has not yet been fully paid. jvon and Ex-fetus, we could have won the Korean War. Neither Truman nor Eisenhower were willing to do so because of American public opinion. We, as a nation, failed at a critical moment.

To win then would have been costly, but not as costly as failing in the long run. The price has not yet been fully paid.

]]> By: Gordon G. Chang http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-114903 Gordon G. Chang Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:38:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-114903 somercet, North Korea's obligations include submitting to inspections in some form. It has to do more than just promise--it must demonstrate that it is indeed complying with those promises. somercet, North Korea’s obligations include submitting to inspections in some form. It has to do more than just promise–it must demonstrate that it is indeed complying with those promises.

]]> By: Gordon G. Chang http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-114900 Gordon G. Chang Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:35:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-114900 Jack Okie, by "coercive diplomacy" I mean forcing China to choose between its relationship with us and its relationship with North Korea. The Communist Party needs us more than we need it. The stability of the modern Chinese state depends on prosperity, and that prosperity depends in large measure on access to American markets and technology. We have leverage, but we have never used it. We hardly enforce China's obligations on trade, and we provide assistance in so many ways. It's time for us to decide whether we should continue our relationship in its present form. So we can complain about Beijing, but we can create the conditions under which the Chinese have no choice but to be responsible. And we have never made China pay any price for its obstructionism. We should speak plainly to Beijing and do so in public. Jack Okie, by “coercive diplomacy” I mean forcing China to choose between its relationship with us and its relationship with North Korea.

The Communist Party needs us more than we need it. The stability of the modern Chinese state depends on prosperity, and that prosperity depends in large measure on access to American markets and technology. We have leverage, but we have never used it.

We hardly enforce China’s obligations on trade, and we provide assistance in so many ways. It’s time for us to decide whether we should continue our relationship in its present form.

So we can complain about Beijing, but we can create the conditions under which the Chinese have no choice but to be responsible. And we have never made China pay any price for its obstructionism. We should speak plainly to Beijing and do so in public.

]]> By: Ex-fetus http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-114795 Ex-fetus Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:04:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dead-end-the-north-korean-crisis/#comment-114795 WE could settle the issue by force today. If you think the Norks will fight, you have been deep into the koolaid. The Norks are mostly underground. Blow the doors to their bunkers and they will stay underground. WE pretty much know where the doors are and what is in each bunker. South Korea is as good as it gets at intelligence gathering. The more modern Nork weapons are 30 years old. Regular ones are 70 years old. Their radars still use TUBES. Anyone here remember what a tube is? No, a US military offensive against North Koea would be mostly a matter of killing generals and rounding up the conscripts. Not that catching them will be hard. Just set up field kitchens and they will come running. Most Norks eat a bowl of rice on a good day. Also keep in mind that this is a police state. Very few Soldiers, and none of the conscripts have bullets for their guns. Only the ones that are responsible for keeping the slaves in line are ammoed up. And they are trained to shoot down unarmed mobs, not face US. Marines, which is a whole 'nother thingie. No, North Korea will be easier then either Iraq or Afghanistan. I'm sure if we could check, we will find that the same people that told us how bad Iraq and Afghanistan would be are now telling us about the thousands on American that will die if the USA does regime change in North Korea. They were wrong then, they are wrong now. The JDAM has changed warfare. More then the Blitzkrieg did in '39 & '40. Plus, we are still at war with North Korea. What is in effect now is a TRUCE, NOT a peace treaty. ALL any President with any balls has to do is notify the Norks that in 72 hours we will end the truce and start shooting. Since the UN authorized Korea in the first place, there is fuk all they can do about it. Ditto for the left, Congress and any other Socialist SOB. We should go this winter. The US and S. Korea are all weather capable, the Norks aren't. Our side has IR gear, they don't. So any Norks that get lucky and escape the closing of their tunnel, will stand out nicely against the ice and snow. "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." - General George Patton Jr WE could settle the issue by force today. If you think the Norks will fight, you have been deep into the koolaid.
The Norks are mostly underground. Blow the doors to their bunkers and they will stay underground. WE pretty much know where the doors are and what is in each bunker. South Korea is as good as it gets at intelligence gathering.
The more modern Nork weapons are 30 years old. Regular ones are 70 years old. Their radars still use TUBES. Anyone here remember what a tube is?
No, a US military offensive against North Koea would be mostly a matter of killing generals and rounding up the conscripts. Not that catching them will be hard. Just set up field kitchens and they will come running. Most Norks eat a bowl of rice on a good day. Also keep in mind that this is a police state. Very few Soldiers, and none of the conscripts have bullets for their guns. Only the ones that are responsible for keeping the slaves in line are ammoed up. And they are trained to shoot down unarmed mobs, not face US. Marines, which is a whole ‘nother thingie.
No, North Korea will be easier then either Iraq or Afghanistan. I’m sure if we could check, we will find that the same people that told us how bad Iraq and Afghanistan would be are now telling us about the thousands on American that will die if the USA does regime change in North Korea.
They were wrong then, they are wrong now.
The JDAM has changed warfare. More then the Blitzkrieg did in ‘39 & ‘40.
Plus, we are still at war with North Korea. What is in effect now is a TRUCE, NOT a peace treaty. ALL any President with any balls has to do is notify the Norks that in 72 hours we will end the truce and start shooting. Since the UN authorized Korea in the first place, there is fuk all they can do about it. Ditto for the left, Congress and any other Socialist SOB.
We should go this winter. The US and S. Korea are all weather capable, the Norks aren’t. Our side has IR gear, they don’t. So any Norks that get lucky and escape the closing of their tunnel, will stand out nicely against the ice and snow.

“If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn’t thinking.”
- General George Patton Jr

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