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		<title>By: Joanne's Sister</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democratic-family-fight-or-a-license-to-hate/comment-page-2/#comment-55314</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne's Sister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Joanne Parrent’s sister. I only belatedly discovered her posting in this blog. If you&#039;re reading this, Joanne, I want you to know that I am deeply hurt and angered that you took a private exchange and plastered it across the internet, only thinly veiling my identity –and without ever telling me about it! It is insulting to be characterized as uninformed, unthinking, failing to support my own interests, and spouting talking points like a robot -- all because I don’t agree with you! 
 
As it happens, today is the day Hillary Clinton has endorsed Barack Obama. I hope that you will be able to move forward as Hillary herself has, Joanne. The New York Times just reported that she said, &quot;Today as I suspend my campaign, I congratulate [Obama] on the victory he has won and the extraordinary campaign he has won. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him and I ask of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me.&quot; 

But this matter really isn’t about Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or the presidential race. It’s about failing to respect my right to my own opinion and then ridiculing me in public because I wouldn’t engage in an argument. So if you readers have gotten this far, I hope you will take another minute to consider my perceptions and my views – which were completely lacking from Joanne’s twisted account.
 
Since she has splattered our private spat all over the internet, preserving it for eternity, here’s what I’d like to say. I am a grownup, but I am the younger sister and Joanne, who is very vocal and sometimes volatile in her opinions, often expects me to follow her lead. When I followed my own head and heart and decided to support Barack Obama – with great enthusiasm, I might add – she expected me to account to her for my views. I’d made the wrong decision and she was going to set me straight! But we had already voted in our respective primaries and I didn’t see why either of us needed to justify our positions. I didn’t think either of us was likely to convert the other and arguing seemed pointless and unpleasant. On top of that, I had just started a new and very stressful job with which I was very preoccupied and having a tough time. I didn’t wish to come home to a barrage of angry emails every night. So I cut off the conversation – because we were at a draw and I wanted to keep peace in the family. 

Tellingly, I told Joanne that I would vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election if she became the Democratic Party nominee, thinking that this certainly should be the last word on the matter. Knowing how Joanne felt about Bush, I thought she certainly would vote for Obama if he became the nominee. But for Joanne, it wasn’t good enough to hang in there and see how events unfolded and agree to disagree; she evidently wanted to extract a concession! So at some point I said, &quot;Look, I HATE Hillary Clinton!” I admit that I said that. But I overstated the case as a way of telling Joanne to leave me alone! It is completely wrong-headed and distorted to turn that comment into an ugly and overblown thesis about Barack Obama “licensing hatred.” 

Sometimes the personal is not a metaphor for a political theme that should be broadcast across the internet. Sometimes the personal is just personal and should remain private!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Joanne Parrent’s sister. I only belatedly discovered her posting in this blog. If you&#8217;re reading this, Joanne, I want you to know that I am deeply hurt and angered that you took a private exchange and plastered it across the internet, only thinly veiling my identity –and without ever telling me about it! It is insulting to be characterized as uninformed, unthinking, failing to support my own interests, and spouting talking points like a robot &#8212; all because I don’t agree with you! </p>
<p>As it happens, today is the day Hillary Clinton has endorsed Barack Obama. I hope that you will be able to move forward as Hillary herself has, Joanne. The New York Times just reported that she said, &#8220;Today as I suspend my campaign, I congratulate [Obama] on the victory he has won and the extraordinary campaign he has won. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him and I ask of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me.&#8221; </p>
<p>But this matter really isn’t about Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or the presidential race. It’s about failing to respect my right to my own opinion and then ridiculing me in public because I wouldn’t engage in an argument. So if you readers have gotten this far, I hope you will take another minute to consider my perceptions and my views – which were completely lacking from Joanne’s twisted account.</p>
<p>Since she has splattered our private spat all over the internet, preserving it for eternity, here’s what I’d like to say. I am a grownup, but I am the younger sister and Joanne, who is very vocal and sometimes volatile in her opinions, often expects me to follow her lead. When I followed my own head and heart and decided to support Barack Obama – with great enthusiasm, I might add – she expected me to account to her for my views. I’d made the wrong decision and she was going to set me straight! But we had already voted in our respective primaries and I didn’t see why either of us needed to justify our positions. I didn’t think either of us was likely to convert the other and arguing seemed pointless and unpleasant. On top of that, I had just started a new and very stressful job with which I was very preoccupied and having a tough time. I didn’t wish to come home to a barrage of angry emails every night. So I cut off the conversation – because we were at a draw and I wanted to keep peace in the family. </p>
<p>Tellingly, I told Joanne that I would vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election if she became the Democratic Party nominee, thinking that this certainly should be the last word on the matter. Knowing how Joanne felt about Bush, I thought she certainly would vote for Obama if he became the nominee. But for Joanne, it wasn’t good enough to hang in there and see how events unfolded and agree to disagree; she evidently wanted to extract a concession! So at some point I said, &#8220;Look, I HATE Hillary Clinton!” I admit that I said that. But I overstated the case as a way of telling Joanne to leave me alone! It is completely wrong-headed and distorted to turn that comment into an ugly and overblown thesis about Barack Obama “licensing hatred.” </p>
<p>Sometimes the personal is not a metaphor for a political theme that should be broadcast across the internet. Sometimes the personal is just personal and should remain private!</p>
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		<title>By: S321Saint</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democratic-family-fight-or-a-license-to-hate/comment-page-2/#comment-39512</link>
		<dc:creator>S321Saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the many mind bending statements made by this &quot;college educated&quot; woman. &quot;I’m hoping that not just women, but men with daughters, mothers, wives, and sisters — men who respect women — will no longer be inspired by hatred.&quot;  PATHETIC.  It was tiring to slog through the ultra left wing feminist mantra. One one hand she complains because Obama is calling her names, but then goes on to say how &quot;strong&quot; she is. She is tired of the &quot;billary&quot; name..when its actually a campaign slogan started by them...you remember bill and hilly co-presidents..two for the price of one? But what is par for the left wing course is the insistent mantra that if you disagree with hilly...you are sexist. You are a woman hater, etc... That ONLY men who support hilly really respect women? My dad would be spitting at you if you said that to his face...and I would too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the many mind bending statements made by this &#8220;college educated&#8221; woman. &#8220;I’m hoping that not just women, but men with daughters, mothers, wives, and sisters — men who respect women — will no longer be inspired by hatred.&#8221;  PATHETIC.  It was tiring to slog through the ultra left wing feminist mantra. One one hand she complains because Obama is calling her names, but then goes on to say how &#8220;strong&#8221; she is. She is tired of the &#8220;billary&#8221; name..when its actually a campaign slogan started by them&#8230;you remember bill and hilly co-presidents..two for the price of one? But what is par for the left wing course is the insistent mantra that if you disagree with hilly&#8230;you are sexist. You are a woman hater, etc&#8230; That ONLY men who support hilly really respect women? My dad would be spitting at you if you said that to his face&#8230;and I would too.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaakov Watkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaakov Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question about Hillary is about Bill.  Every time I read about what Bill is doing (aside from campaigning for Hillary) he is hanging around Arabs and making money at it.  Big money.

Now that is his right of course, but I wonder how much money Bill and Hillary have taken from Arab oil merchants, and I wonder what will be for sale if Hillary wins.  

The first time they left the White House, there was minor pilfering.  I am truly concerned about what they will take the second time.  

I cannot help but compare them to Dick Cheney.  Cheney made over $7 million dollars last year and gave 80% to charity.  Yes I know.  Cheney is rich anyway.  But it still makes me think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question about Hillary is about Bill.  Every time I read about what Bill is doing (aside from campaigning for Hillary) he is hanging around Arabs and making money at it.  Big money.</p>
<p>Now that is his right of course, but I wonder how much money Bill and Hillary have taken from Arab oil merchants, and I wonder what will be for sale if Hillary wins.  </p>
<p>The first time they left the White House, there was minor pilfering.  I am truly concerned about what they will take the second time.  </p>
<p>I cannot help but compare them to Dick Cheney.  Cheney made over $7 million dollars last year and gave 80% to charity.  Yes I know.  Cheney is rich anyway.  But it still makes me think.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democratic-family-fight-or-a-license-to-hate/comment-page-2/#comment-38667</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 04:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Obama can do is say meaningless phrases such as &quot;Hope&quot; and &quot;Change&quot; which do nothing but titilate the Demoncrats who were already going to vote for the left anyways. Everyone is are a bit more sober and have read deeper into him than what the left is willing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Obama can do is say meaningless phrases such as &#8220;Hope&#8221; and &#8220;Change&#8221; which do nothing but titilate the Demoncrats who were already going to vote for the left anyways. Everyone is are a bit more sober and have read deeper into him than what the left is willing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;trying to kneecap her undeniably gifted opponent with the kitchen sink&quot;

Please explain the &quot;undeniably gifted&quot; part. He hasn&#039;t done anything so what makes him so gifted. HE HAS DONE NOTHING! What justification do the leftists have for getting excited over this guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;trying to kneecap her undeniably gifted opponent with the kitchen sink&#8221;</p>
<p>Please explain the &#8220;undeniably gifted&#8221; part. He hasn&#8217;t done anything so what makes him so gifted. HE HAS DONE NOTHING! What justification do the leftists have for getting excited over this guy?</p>
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		<title>By: jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a feminist, this pisses me off.

    If you&#039;re a feminist, you believe that men and women are equal and should be treated as such. Therefore, Ellen needs to take a minute, regroup and look at this OBJECTIVELY. Hillary can&#039;t win, period.

    No one&#039;s holding Hillary back because she&#039;s a woman. In fact, as a white, wealthy person w/ the last name Clinton, she&#039;s the privileged one here, IMO.

    I came into this presidential race excited as hell about a future female president. But Hillary has disappointed me. As much as I want a female president -- and, God, do I want one -- I&#039;m not willing to lose an election over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a feminist, this pisses me off.</p>
<p>    If you&#8217;re a feminist, you believe that men and women are equal and should be treated as such. Therefore, Ellen needs to take a minute, regroup and look at this OBJECTIVELY. Hillary can&#8217;t win, period.</p>
<p>    No one&#8217;s holding Hillary back because she&#8217;s a woman. In fact, as a white, wealthy person w/ the last name Clinton, she&#8217;s the privileged one here, IMO.</p>
<p>    I came into this presidential race excited as hell about a future female president. But Hillary has disappointed me. As much as I want a female president &#8212; and, God, do I want one &#8212; I&#8217;m not willing to lose an election over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This infuriates me. I am a female. I am 55 years old. I have worked my whole life. Yes. Outside the home, even when I had children. I am in Hillary&#039;s core group. But, you see, I have a brain. I didn&#039;t put up with 30+ years of discrimination (and yes, it was there) to finally have a female presidential candidate ruin it all.

Because, let me tell you what is happening now. All the CEOs/heads of businesses are now saying (although not publicly), &quot;THIS is why we don&#039;t want females running things.&quot; And they are half right. I say HALF because I have seen just as many dumb things done by males, too. But to have Hillary and her supporters act like this -- it sets back the womens&#039; movement 50 years.

I am livid. At Hillary. At her mouthpieces, especially the females. They have undercut the womens&#039; movement. Damn them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This infuriates me. I am a female. I am 55 years old. I have worked my whole life. Yes. Outside the home, even when I had children. I am in Hillary&#8217;s core group. But, you see, I have a brain. I didn&#8217;t put up with 30+ years of discrimination (and yes, it was there) to finally have a female presidential candidate ruin it all.</p>
<p>Because, let me tell you what is happening now. All the CEOs/heads of businesses are now saying (although not publicly), &#8220;THIS is why we don&#8217;t want females running things.&#8221; And they are half right. I say HALF because I have seen just as many dumb things done by males, too. But to have Hillary and her supporters act like this &#8212; it sets back the womens&#8217; movement 50 years.</p>
<p>I am livid. At Hillary. At her mouthpieces, especially the females. They have undercut the womens&#8217; movement. Damn them.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C’mon guys. Really? Hillary lost, fair and square. Poll after poll shows that she attacked unfairly, she used fear(OBL in an ad, 3AM) and pandering (Gas Tax scam) as a means to win an election, which is anathema to truth loving democrats.

She surrounded herself with clueless sycophants and now, despite the math and facts on the ground, she continues to soldier on in a counterproductive effort to secure a democratic presidency. The same sort of myopic, old-world tunnel vision we’ve seen from the Bush Administration.

This is not about race or gender, this is about who is the better candidate. Hillary voted for the war, the Iraq War, the most consequential war we’ve ever been involved in. During the course of this campaign, egged on by her yes-men, we saw her go negative, trying to kneecap her undeniably gifted opponent with the kitchen sink. We’ve even seen her contemplate the nuclear option. You two might see a fighter, but I see stubborn megalomania.

And to say the media has been unfair? Have you seen the endless clips of Rev Wright on cable television, did you see the moderator for that PA debate, a former Clinton staffer, impugn her opponent’s patriotism? The last month and half has been really tough on the man that had the testicular fortitude to challenge Mrs and Mr Democratic Party. And win.

If we find ourselves unable to move beyond gender and race, let me say this. There are more white women in college than there are black males in college; there are more black males in prison than there are white women in prison. If we are going to waste our vote to support what we perceive to be the most disenfranchised demographic, then there’s no question who we should voter for: Obama 08. But if you use your head as well as your heart in the voting booth to cast a ballor for the best candidate, it still leads us to the person who ultimately won: Obama 08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C’mon guys. Really? Hillary lost, fair and square. Poll after poll shows that she attacked unfairly, she used fear(OBL in an ad, 3AM) and pandering (Gas Tax scam) as a means to win an election, which is anathema to truth loving democrats.</p>
<p>She surrounded herself with clueless sycophants and now, despite the math and facts on the ground, she continues to soldier on in a counterproductive effort to secure a democratic presidency. The same sort of myopic, old-world tunnel vision we’ve seen from the Bush Administration.</p>
<p>This is not about race or gender, this is about who is the better candidate. Hillary voted for the war, the Iraq War, the most consequential war we’ve ever been involved in. During the course of this campaign, egged on by her yes-men, we saw her go negative, trying to kneecap her undeniably gifted opponent with the kitchen sink. We’ve even seen her contemplate the nuclear option. You two might see a fighter, but I see stubborn megalomania.</p>
<p>And to say the media has been unfair? Have you seen the endless clips of Rev Wright on cable television, did you see the moderator for that PA debate, a former Clinton staffer, impugn her opponent’s patriotism? The last month and half has been really tough on the man that had the testicular fortitude to challenge Mrs and Mr Democratic Party. And win.</p>
<p>If we find ourselves unable to move beyond gender and race, let me say this. There are more white women in college than there are black males in college; there are more black males in prison than there are white women in prison. If we are going to waste our vote to support what we perceive to be the most disenfranchised demographic, then there’s no question who we should voter for: Obama 08. But if you use your head as well as your heart in the voting booth to cast a ballor for the best candidate, it still leads us to the person who ultimately won: Obama 08.</p>
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		<title>By: transcended</title>
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		<dc:creator>transcended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be quite frank, none of the candidates speak to me. The three of them offer nothing in the way of &quot;SENSE&quot; when it comes to illegal immigration and the entitlements given. WHY? Because these 3 idiots consistantly PANDER for the hispanic vote. They salivate over it, leaving LEGAL citizens to wave &quot;uh hey...over here, morons.&quot; 

  For the US citizens living in border states these candidates represent DUMB, DUMBER, DUMBEST. It has become a matter of pick the LEAST dumb. This is the worst presidential election in voting history. ever.

They can all go jump in a lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be quite frank, none of the candidates speak to me. The three of them offer nothing in the way of &#8220;SENSE&#8221; when it comes to illegal immigration and the entitlements given. WHY? Because these 3 idiots consistantly PANDER for the hispanic vote. They salivate over it, leaving LEGAL citizens to wave &#8220;uh hey&#8230;over here, morons.&#8221; </p>
<p>  For the US citizens living in border states these candidates represent DUMB, DUMBER, DUMBEST. It has become a matter of pick the LEAST dumb. This is the worst presidential election in voting history. ever.</p>
<p>They can all go jump in a lake.</p>
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		<title>By: Chester White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chester White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should be &quot;pretty much&quot; in that last post, not pretty</description>
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