Democratic Party Crashers Target Denver
They will do what they can to disrupt next week's convention.
A few newspapers ago, I once worked with a colleague who grumbled every time he saw a posting in the calendar advertising a meeting of the local anarchist group. He fumed over these meetings defying the very point of classic, every-Molotov-cocktail-for-himself anarchy. What’s next, he complained, electing a secretary to take meeting minutes and a treasurer to collect dues?
These days in Denver, anti-government groups have been meeting at local coffeehouses, in parks, online, and more to plot their disruption of the Democratic National Convention. They’ve organized “self-defense training” at a mixed martial arts gym, workouts supposedly intended for defense instead of offense. They’ve been hanging around the courts, lobbying for their right to block delegates and throw the city into general chaos. A federal judge’s recent decision to restrict their access to the Pepsi Center, they say, violates their free speech.
With names such as Recreate 68 (what, re-create Nixon’s election?) and Unconventional Denver, joined by anti-authority stalwarts such as the Clandestine Insurgent Rebel Clown Army and Code Pink (promising to inline skate through traffic to block the way), the DNC protesters have long been up in arms about how they won’t be given free reign of the Mile High City. They’re already accusing the city of essentially planning to combat them with paramilitary tactics. Denver, for instance, has set aside a warehouse to hold detainees in case the protests turn into another Battle of Seattle; protest groups have already christened the facility “Gitmo on the Platte” (though I doubt it serves the orange chicken on which al-Qaeda suspects dine).
When I arrived in Denver a month ago, the controversy was stewing over protesters’ claims that the police were going to employ ray guns that would stun demonstrators and make them poop their pants. Then the City Council passed an ordinance prohibiting people from carrying around buckets of pee or “feces bombs” with nefarious intentions. Excrement has really dominated the pre-protest conversation.
“The intent of this ordinance is to try to smear protesters and make them look as if they are somehow criminal or somehow going to engage in some kind of gross conduct,” Glenn Spagnuolo, an organizer of Re-create 68, said at a hearing on the ordinance while accusing city officials of fear-mongering.
Another group called Tent State University wanted to camp out in City Park for four days; billed as “4 days of love and action,” the anti-war group wants to force the Democrats’ hand as they listen to punk music and Ralph Nader, as well as nominating their own “party-less youth ticket.” After running into several headaches with city officials and neighborhood residents, the group is relocating its protests to Cuernavaca Park near lower downtown. Residents are, of course, thrilled.
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63 Comments
1. Herr Morgenholz:Invest in popcorn stocks. Hippies always put on a hell of a show.
Aug 19, 2008 - 4:43 am 2. Chuck Pelto:TO: Bridget Johnson, et al.
RE: Idiot Anarchists
Isn’t it fascinating that people who enjoy their freedom of expression, use it to squash that same freedom when exercised by other people. Anarchists aren’t really anarchists. They’re totalitarians who have yet to install their own form of mis-government.
RE: Pee Shooters & Poopy Bombers
I can’t speak to the City and County of Denver’s City Ordinances, but where I live there are already laws against improper disposal of human waste products.
However, I recall that during the last General Election cycle, the vast majority of Dimocrats up there didn’t seem to mind it so much when someone used human feces to vandalize a Republican candidate’s campaign.
Talk’n about REAL hypocrites there in the land of the Dimocrats.
RE: The Two Party’s Conventions; Compare & Contrast
And speaking of hypocrisy….
If anyone wants to get a ‘clue’ about the way the two major political parties address freedom of expression, watching the way their host cities deal with protesters would be a great indicator.
I recall that during the 2004 election, the DNC set up ‘freedom of speech’ zones where if you wanted to protest something, you had to be in that literal cage well away from the convention site. Like some sort of freakish animal.
Meanwhile I seem to recall that the RNC convention that year let people say what they wanted, where they wanted to say it, as long as they were not in violation of regular city ordinances about disturbing the peace, obstructing traffic, vandalism, et., etc., etc.
Let’s see that happens this year.
As I understand it, the DNC is going the same route they went in 2004; caging these ‘obnoxious’ people who want to express their opinions in the public venue….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 4:51 am 3. mbviews:[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]
Its rare these days to find anyone willing to take on the Democratic Party power machine (everyone from half the Republican Party to corporate big-money donors and billionaires is always trying to suck up to the Democrats). So whether I agree fully with their messages, its interesting that they see through the Democratic Party and are willing to do something about it.
Aug 19, 2008 - 5:55 am 4. TomJW:Unforetunately, I have 2 sisters who live in Denver. One is a nurse. I hope the idiots stay in there cages, or get put in the improved cages quickly.
Aug 19, 2008 - 6:18 am 5. JAY:If Hillary tries a coup during the vote, will there be race riots too?
The Dems and their supporters just seem like children who can’t play well together when I hear about the coming convention.
I can’t wait. Let the chaos begin. I wonder how big the riot gets when Hillbillary steals the nomination. Hey, one can dream. When I get disgusted with my own party I just look to the democrats and it always seems to make me feel better.
Aug 19, 2008 - 6:40 am 6. AJ:Losers all. Looking to regain the glory that was never their parents. Don’t they have jobs or school? Dumb question. They think they are examples of all that is good in America, but it’s surely the opposite. At least they are “bi partisan.”
Aug 19, 2008 - 7:15 am 7. Charlie (Colorado):I can’t wait. Let the chaos begin.
Guys, my mother lives downtown. Wish for anarchist riots in your own damn neighborhood.
Aug 19, 2008 - 8:16 am 8. Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg:Charlie, you better put your mother on a plane out of there. The moonbats are coming whether we like it or not.
This is going to be VERY ugly.
Aug 19, 2008 - 8:47 am 9. Chuck Pelto:TO: Charlie (Colorado)
RE: Heh
“Wish for anarchist riots in your own damn neighborhood.” — Charlie (Colorado)
Some people might not mind that. Makes for good target practice. Anyone waving a lit molotov cocktail and eyeing a building is fair-game. [Note: Someone might be IN that building.]
RE: Living In the City
“Guys, my mother lives downtown.” — Charlie (Colorado)
There are advantages and disadvantages to every place you could live. This sounds like one of the latter.
Then again, maybe you could get HER to move into that place on High Street you keep mentioning to me.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 8:47 am 10. JAY:P.S. This is one of the many reasons I moved out of Denver.
“Guys, my mother lives downtown. Wish for anarchist riots in your own damn neighborhood.”
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:01 am 11. JAY:My apologies but the chaos is going happen no matter where it is. I’ll pray your family is not touched.
My family wouldn’t have to worry. Not with the bible and guns we cling to.
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:03 am 12. ST333:I have 2 suggestions.
1.) Media coverage, media coverage, media coverage. Show those “on the fence” exactly who is the base of the Democratic Party and make them ask themselves if these are the people they want running things.
2.)Air Strikes.
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:07 am 13. HeatherRadish:If Hillary tries a coup during the vote, will there be race riots too?
Not only in Denver, I expect.
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:12 am 14. Chuck Pelto:TO: The Mayor of Denver
RE: I Know….
….some guys who wear green suits living south of Denver at a place called Fort Carson.
If you ask President Bush nicely, he can arrange for them to come help you maintain order in the streets. Submit a MACA [Military Assistance to Civil Authorities] request through channels.
They’ll bring up some interesting hardware displays.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:15 am 15. Chuck Pelto:[Tanks are for 'crowd control'. APERS rounds are for 'crowd dispersal'. -- Tankers' Rules for Riot Management]
P.S. Some of my comrades-in-arms live in the Denver area. Indeed. Some of them are on the DPD.
I look forward to their After Action Report over some fine tobacco and scotch….
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:20 am 16. JET:Has anyone considered the possibility that the gov’t might hire provocateurs to encourage violence, and then have the perfect excuse to use their shiny new riot control techniques?
http://startnow72.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/provocateurs-planning-violence-at-dnc/
just wondering..
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:33 am 17. Herr Morgenholz:Has anyone considered the possibility that the gov’t might hire provocateurs to encourage violence, and then have the perfect excuse to use their shiny new riot control techniques?
No.
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:40 am 18. Chuck Pelto:TO: JET
RE: Agents Provocateur
“Has anyone considered the possibility that the gov’t might hire provocateurs to encourage violence, and then have the perfect excuse to use their shiny new riot control techniques?” — JET
I doubt if the government needs to organize any like that. My experiences with the anarchists, dating back to the 1971 May Day Riot in Washington DC—I was on Team GREEN—through the 1990s, showed me that the members of Team BLACK are quite capable of screwing things up themselves to trigger such a response.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:48 am 19. Achillea:[I don't mind anarchy, as long as it doesn't get out of control.]
“… won’t be given free reign of the Mile High City.”
Rein. It’s ‘free rein,’ like with a horse.
Sorry, big pet peeve of mine.
Aug 19, 2008 - 10:15 am 20. the wold:“With kerchiefs tied across their faces in true anarchist chic, the group offered to call off all DNC protests if Denver took its $50 million in federal security grants and gave it to the needy.”
Ah, so it’s just a big cash shakedown. Who’s behind this really, Jesse Jackson?
Aug 19, 2008 - 11:41 am 21. Andrew X:It’s funny that it occurs to me that an appropriate response is for those who disagree with these hop-heads (conservatives, etc?) to, in large numbers, crash, disrupt, and interfere with any preliminary preparatory meetings these yahoos have, which of course are advertised on the web and flyers, and thus crash-able.
And of course, within a split second, one realizes why this will never happen – Those who are opposed to these people in general have much more important, productive, and significant things to do with their lives and time than crash meetings and act like idiots.
And don’t that explain oh, so much.
Aug 19, 2008 - 11:44 am 22. Richard of Oregon:Pretend anarchists! Amusing.
Aug 19, 2008 - 11:58 am 23. mojo:Carry a squirt gun. When an anarchist annoys you, squirt them in the crotch, then laugh and point.
Works every damn time.
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:02 pm 24. tim maguire:I have to object to all the tossing around of “anarchy” here to mean chaos. In politics, “anarchist” does NOT mean bored middle class white kid who likes to break things, though you can be forgiven the confusion when it comes to anti-globalization demonstrators. Anarchism is a doctrine that makes the dignity of the individual paramount. It is not the absence of organizaiton, but the absence of coercion (I highly recommend George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia if you have the slightest interest). Among the organized political movements in the U.S., it probably has the most in common with the Libertarians (some major differences too, but closer to them than anyone else around).
Hey Chuck–who were the greens? I assume it was not environmental.
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:10 pm 25. rrr:“It’s funny that it occurs to me that an appropriate response . . .”
Unfortunately, we’re too busy being productive members of society. And, as far as that goes, I’d rather teach my children to do the same instead of legitimizing all this posing and preening. Let the spoiled and naive play at world changing–but empower the authorities to respect everyone’s rights, including those whom these hypocrites would trample.
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:13 pm 26. Emerson:Angry rich white kids think they can destroy anything they want as a form of protest, or performance art, or something. They get angry when they do it and angry when they’re stopped. Poor little rich white kids! All they want to do is destroy in order to create.
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:15 pm 27. Chi-towner:Come on Denver, be happy and watch the show. In Chicago 68 was a blast!!!! “Blood in the streets in the town of Chicago” sang the Doors. Fortunately, it was mainly the rioters who bled all over. Yippie Abbie Hoffman’s height of fame, followed by a lackluster life, some time on WALL STREET and finally suicide. So do us all a favor, as a sign of your digust of the DNC I suggest a Jim Jones Kool Aid event in front of the convention hall. Your sacrifices will certainly make the Democrats change their minds when they realize how many potentially voters/contributors they’re losing.
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:24 pm 28. Chuck Pelto:TO: tim maguire
RE: Team GREEN
“Hey Chuck–who were the greens? I assume it was not environmental.” — tim maguire
Indeed not.
The brigade of paratroopers up from Fort Bragg.
Team JARHEAD was the regiment of Marines up from Camp La Juene.
In truth, there was more fighting going on between Team GREEN and Team JARHEAD at Andrews AFB than there was downtown DC.
Ever see a brawl between a regiment of marines and a brigade of paratroopers? I’m pretty certain that it was more ‘entertaining’ than what will happen in Denver next week.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:35 pm 29. Chuck Pelto:[Who cares who wins. As long as it's a good puncher. -- unofficial motto of the British Special Air Services (SAS)]
TO: Chi-towner
RE: Jim Jones Juice
“So do us all a favor, as a sign of your digust of the DNC I suggest a Jim Jones Kool Aid event in front of the convention hall.” — Chi-towner
Hmmmm….
….maybe they were working on that.
I understand that a Canadian of Somalian descent was found dead in his hotel room not far from the Pepsi Center. Died of cyanide. And there was a pound of the poison found in his room with his corpse.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:39 pm 30. Jim C.:[Suicide ain't painless. It brings on horrible changes.....]
JET: “Has anyone considered the possibility that the gov’t might hire provocateurs to encourage violence, and then have the perfect excuse to use their shiny new riot control techniques? just wondering..”
Have you considered the possibility that the left might have their own provocateurs to encourage violence in order to get a police reaction that they can point to as evidence of a fascist state? Or that the left might plant the idea of government provocateurs in advance? Just wondering.
Aug 19, 2008 - 12:57 pm 31. pashley:The choice is Seattle ‘99 or New York ‘04. In Seattle, the city and the protest groups sat down, hashed out a working plan. Then, kids being kids, a substantial number of demonstrators (500 violent rioters is only 1% of 50,000) ran amok, over $100 million in damage. You might blame the demonstrators, but Seattle is under adult supervision, right?
In New York City 2004, NYPD aggressively and preemptively detained as I understand it over 1000 demonstrators, caged and restricted the rest. They “amortized” the cost of handling the demonstrators in the form of lawyer fees and court action over the next few years. Better welfare for lawyers than broken windshields, I guess.
Aug 19, 2008 - 1:12 pm 32. chitowner:Chuck, thanks for reminding me of the cyanide. I was amazed at how little news coverage a pound of cyanide in Denver could bring. And that reminds of the liquid explosives that were stopped on the Canadian border by an alert US Border Agent in ‘99 or 2000 destined for LAX. Wonder how many gallons have gotten through since.
Aug 19, 2008 - 1:24 pm 33. Chuck Pelto:Thanks,
Chitowner
Suicide ain’t painless but it certainly would reduce their carbon footprints.
Do they still use flechettes (sp?) in AntiPersonnel rounds?
TO: Chi-towner
RE: APERS
“Do they still use flechettes (sp?) in AntiPersonnel rounds?” — Chi-towner
Yes. The over-sized finishing nails with the flat part like fletching on an arrow. Several thousand to a 120mm round.
The quail will quail, indeed.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 1:41 pm 34. ATLien:[Anarchy -- it's not the law, it's just a good idea.]
Easy-peasy:
Get a posse. A big one. Find those pepper spray paintballs. Put those together with paintball guns. Find mob. Shoot mob. Remember to aim for the face.
I planned to do this if the Phelps’ Church [sic] decided to do a protest in my area.
Aug 19, 2008 - 2:23 pm 35. MarkJ:Official Theme of the 2008 Democratic Party Convention:
On July the second, 1953
I was serving time in Tehachapi
Four o’clock in the morning
I was sleepin’ in my cell
I heard a whistle blow
And I heard somebody yell
[Chorus]
There’s a riot goin’ on
There’s a riot goin’ on
There’s a riot goin’ on
Up in cell block number nine
The trouble all started up in cell block #4
It spread like fire across the prison floor
Warden came in with a big tommy gun
Bang-bang-bang, tryin’ to stop our fun
The warden said, come out
With your hands up in the air
If you don’t stop this riot
You’re all gonna get the chair
Two-gun Mathilda said
It’s too late to quit
Pass the dynamite Molly
‘Cause man, this fuse is lit
They called the state militia
Aug 19, 2008 - 2:56 pm 36. M. Simon:To help them win the fight
Drove up to the prison
In the middle of the night
Each and every trooper
He looked so tall and fine
All the chicks went crazy
Up in cell block number nine
Chuck says:
Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.
Where there is no religion there is no hypocrisy.
Aug 19, 2008 - 3:11 pm 37. BobNC:Why will they do what they can to disrupt the dem convention? The stupid dems appear to be about to nominate the most anti-American, anti-capitalist candidate ever. How could the anarchists, marxists, socialists, Congressional Black Caucus, criminals or Code Pinkers want to do anything to divert attention and focus from Hussein?
Aug 19, 2008 - 3:19 pm 38. Chuck Pelto:Sure, if Hillary takes the nomination, there will be destructive rioting but, aside from drunks, certain goths and Irish footballers, who riots for the sake of rioting?
BTW, Hussein’s drop off in the polls and his terrible performance against McCain might be enough to cause some of the super-delegates to review what super-delegates were created for. Hillie’s strong armers probably are helping.
TO: M. Simon
RE: Only Because….
“Where there is no religion there is no hypocrisy.” — M. Simon
….the hypocrites refuse to recognize the term.
As for you insinuation that religion IS ‘hypocrisy’, you obviously overlooked the inference about people who don’t practice their religious beliefs in the first place.
Too bad for you…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 3:29 pm 39. Chuck Pelto:[An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour.... -- Proverbs]
TO: BobNC
RE: How?
“The stupid dems appear to be about to nominate the most anti-American, anti-capitalist candidate ever. How could the anarchists, marxists, socialists, Congressional Black Caucus, criminals or Code Pinkers want to do anything to divert attention and focus from Hussein?” — BobNC
Something to do with ‘mad dogs’. They’ll snap at anything; friendly or otherwise. Even themselves.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 3:32 pm 40. KaziA:[Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change ready.]
I worked in downtown Seattle during the World Trade Organization “protests” so here’s a sample of what you can expect in Denver, all of which I personally witnessed.
Deliberate physical assaults on delegates and police officers in order to provoke violent responses. Verbal and physical intimidation of bystanders, to include human chains barring access to workplaces and businesses. All deliberately calculated to stifle freedom of expression and free association of citizens in the “marketplace of ideas”. All because the self righteous punks think they know better than the rest of us.
Aug 19, 2008 - 3:56 pm 41. Chuck Pelto:TO: KaziA
RE: The Seattle Experience
“All deliberately calculated to stifle freedom of expression and free association of citizens in the “marketplace of ideas”. All because the self righteous punks think they know better than the rest of us.” — KaziA
What was I saying above….
Thanks for substantiating my understanding.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 19, 2008 - 4:09 pm 42. tamdar:[Rebel: One intent upon establishing a new form of mis-rule.]
These punks are the sociopathic philosophical decendants of late 60’s anti-builders like SDS and other authority-worshipping wannabe communists. What they’re after is just rage, chaos, and violence. They just try to couch it in lofty sounding rhetoric, but they’re really just naive, self-hyped zealots who’ve worked each other up into a fabricated lather and want to burn stuff.
Aug 19, 2008 - 4:26 pm 43. glc:I’m all for the protesters.
Isn’t that what this country is all about? Freedom to speak.
Freedom to think. Freedom to disagree.
Freedom to assemble. Freedom to argue.
Freedom to picket. Freedom to call a spade a spade.
Freedom to call a racist a racist.
Freedom to fight for the rights of 18 million voters.
Freedom to speak their minds.
Freedom to vote and to volunteer for whomever they choose.
Freedom to vote.
Aug 19, 2008 - 5:05 pm 44. Herr Morgenholz:“… won’t be given free reign of the Mile High City.”
Rein. It’s ‘free rein,’ like with a horse.
Sorry, big pet peeve of mine.
Literacy is a hell of a cross to bear.
Aug 19, 2008 - 5:19 pm 45. Typical White Person:“Excrement has really dominated the pre-protest conversation.”
—
Appropo no? Matches what will be shoveled inside the convention.
Many of these types are fixated in the anal stage anyway.
Aug 19, 2008 - 5:36 pm 46. John Samford:GLC;
Freedom to vote the dead
Freedom to bus in crack heads to vote ( only they were to low to do it right)
Freedom to rig the Diebold machines
Freedom to take massive foreign bribes as ‘campaign’ or ‘library’ contributions.
Freedom to make millons carrying the briefcase for some crooked Billionaire.
I’ll stop now.
What I really want to know is if there is a pool on who wins the riots? Can somebody in Lost Wages run by O’Bannons and see if the tote board has the riots up yet. Or when the Russians pull out of Georgia. I’m hoping the networks start a running count of how long the Russians have occupied Georgia. See if soft power really works.
“If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.”
Aug 19, 2008 - 5:39 pm 47. cedarford:Carl Schurz
US (German-born) general & politician (1829 – 1906)
glc:
I’m all for the protesters.
Isn’t that what this country is all about? Freedom to speak.
Freedom to think. Freedom to disagree.
(Etc, etc, etc)
The Lefty meme that being an overprivileged little Lefty from a wealthy WASP or Jewish family is showing that “Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism!!” as they howl at theit protest rallies, toss garbage cans and set fires and block traffic and disrupt others lives —is utter bullshit.
This country is not about simply freedom, especially some absolutist notion of freedom as without no other responsibility and best resembling an adult version of a little brat in a temper tantrum crying and stamping their little feet to get the ice cream they demand.
America is also about duty, sacrifice, the obligation to respect others rights and freedoms. Our tradition of giving up of ourselves to help our fellow citizens.
IMO, there are tens and tens and tens of millions of Americans that showed a higher form of true patriotism than some spoiled kid protesting the obvious facts that our country and every nation outside it is not perfect.
What, if that is so awful and outrageous, do they plan to do other than vent and bitch and screw with the freedoms of other people?
Of those many tens of millions of people that truly show patriotism and sacrifice – perhaps the Right focuses too much on the military and what they laud as the “hero uniformed employees” in public safety careers.
JFK (and his ghostwriter)’s book “Profiles in Courage” reminds us that patriotism of courage and sacrifice and duty occurs in many places other than the battlefield or the cop patrol.
Most people that showed patriotism in our history never “served”. Nor were paid to be cops or firefighters.
People that built the schoolhouses instead of spending bucks on entertainment so we could make a better future with each generation. People who gave of their time and money to charity to help other Americans. The volunteers who took risks to clean up corruption, to work for broader rights for women and minorities. The men who signed up and served but luckily never saw a battle during their military service.
Using “rights” of any kind to please oneself primarily – with a protest sign, disrupting a talk given by the “repressive opposition” – or buying 4 guns a month, or demanding other people’s money be redistributed to ” My people” in the form of taxes, or getting criminals more “rights”, or just flying a flag – isn’t patriotism.
It’s self-indulgence.
Aug 19, 2008 - 6:08 pm 48. Silvera:Speaking as a civilian veteran of the Battle for Seattle, these pin-heads were (and apparently still are) a joke. Half of the Seattle rioters were just there to break things, not only were they not true anarchists, they didn’t have a point to their destruction when they were interviewed.
Aug 19, 2008 - 6:36 pm 49. Pat:So, what I think will be interesting is watching the way Denver & the DNC responds to threats to the Obama’s second coming(overboard, hand-wringing, etc) versus the response when of the RNC when Code Pink and their cronies start trouble there.
Of course, considering the RNC is populated by bitter, gun-toting, Bible-clinging hicks, maybe the trouble-makers will decide discretion is the better part of valor and stay home. Though showing up, getting arrested & spending the next 6 years whining about police brutality would be much more entertaining for those of us with actual lives to witness.
Chuck Pelto says: Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.
M. Simon writes: Where there is no religion there is no hypocrisy.
Come on, guys. Hypocrisy is exhibited by believers and nonbelievers alike. Neither camp has a monopoly on it.
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:53 pm 50. Pat:“Why will they do what they can to disrupt the dem convention? The stupid dems appear to be about to nominate the most anti-American, anti-capitalist candidate ever. How could the anarchists, marxists, socialists, Congressional Black Caucus, criminals or Code Pinkers want to do anything to divert attention and focus from Hussein?”
Because they are really nihilists. They don’t believe in or support anything except their own mindless desire to disrupt and destroy.
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:58 pm 51. Chuck Pelto:TO: Pat
RE: [OT] Et Tu?
“Come on, guys. Hypocrisy is exhibited by believers and nonbelievers alike. Neither camp has a monopoly on it.” — Pat
The point, Pat, is that REAL believers do not say one thing and do another. In other words, they are not ‘hypocrites’.
Sure there are a LOT of people who claim to be ‘believers’, but if they don’t ‘practice what they preach’, should they be considered to be ‘believers’? I tend to doubt that.
As some Wag put it, around 2000 years ago….
That means what it produces. Not by some sign someone hung on it.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 20, 2008 - 1:38 am 52. Chuck Pelto:[Hypocrisy dreads examination. Truth invites it. -- Samuel Johnson]
TO: Silvera
RE: The RNC
“Of course, considering the RNC is populated by bitter, gun-toting, Bible-clinging hicks….” — Silvera
That’s “Bible-THUMPING” hicks, compadre. Much more ‘demonstrative’ than merely clinging to that old Book. And the thumping can be done in several ways….{nudge-nudge, wink-wink).
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[If you're going to go Bible-thumping. Bring a real BIG one. There's a better chance of knocking the lout unconscious. -- Evangelical Rules for Bible Thumping]
P.S. It also makes for a better shield.
Aug 20, 2008 - 1:44 am 53. lonesomecharlie:They’re Heeeeere!
I had lunch on the 16th Street Mall yesterday and saw several groups of likely black-bloc’ers.
Since I eat on the mall 2 or 3 times a week in the summer, I’m very familiar with the diversity of its denizens. These guys were walking around in groups of 3 or 4, mid to late twenties, fit and studly (not the flaccid Green Peace types that hang around with petitions) and wearing casual clothing. You almost never see young white men dressed like that at lunch time. One group was speaking French, one German or Dutch and the other English. If not for their language, I would have placed them as undercover Delta types.
Denver’s gonna Rock next week!
Aug 20, 2008 - 9:13 am 54. JAY:lonesomecharlie: This is great thanks for the update, I think I’ll tape the convention.
Aug 20, 2008 - 10:27 am 55. Chuck Pelto:TO: lonesomecharlie
RE: Huh?!??!?!!!???
“These guys were walking around in groups of 3 or 4, mid to late twenties, fit and studly (not the flaccid Green Peace types that hang around with petitions)…If not for their language, I would have placed them as undercover Delta types.” — lonesomecharlie
Spetznas!!!!!!?!
SGS-9?!??!?!?!!
Legionaires????!!
Sakes!!!!!!!!!!!
And JET was thinking that the Bush administration needed to send in agents provocateur…..
Who knew our ‘friends’ overseas would do it for them?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[When it ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY HAS to be destroyed overnight. -- US Army Rangers]
P.S. It’s from a popular ‘business card’ carried about by US Army Rangers that said things like, “Facilities destroyed. Hostages rescued. Governments toppled. Virgins promoted. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Aug 20, 2008 - 11:11 am 56. Carl H\:All we are saying is give Pee a chance.
Aug 20, 2008 - 11:31 am 57. Steve-o:MarkJ,
I sang that song at gigs 30 years ago, but didn’t have that last verse. The last verse I had was just a half-verse:
Aug 20, 2008 - 2:19 pm 58. Chuck Pelto:–
In the 47th hour the tear gas got our men
We’re all back in our cells, but every now and then
There’s a riot going on…etc.
TO: All
RE: By the Way….
“A federal judge’s recent decision to restrict their access to the Pepsi Center, they say, violates their free speech.” — Bridget Johnson
The protesters are correct. This IS a violation of their freedom of speech in the public venue.
But it’s ironic that the federal judge—God give him better understanding—probably used the same laws to come to that decision that they themselves cheered when a similar decision was made about protesting in the public venue against abortion.
We’re talking SERIOUS ‘unintended consequences’ here people. And I think someone should point out their stupidity to them.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 20, 2008 - 4:21 pm 59. John Samford:[Bad laws are more likely to be augmented than eliminated. -- Oaks' Law]
You’re on a roll Chuck, keep swingin’
They left yet? 12 days and counting.
Aug 20, 2008 - 5:17 pm 60. Chuck Pelto:P.S. It’s called…
…What goes around, comes around.
Aug 20, 2008 - 5:19 pm 61. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Additional Thoughts; the Disaster Grows in the Telling
I know a former clerk of the Colorado Supreme Court who applauded the decision to prohibit freedom of speech in the public venue in the vicinity of abortion clinics.
She said the courts used the concept of no electioneering in the vicinity of a polling place as the rationale for the ruling.
Now….based on the federal judge’s ruling about demonstrations in the vicinity of a political convention site, I’ll wager we can go even further in banning freedom of speech.
Why not say that no one can protest at ANY political meeting. Anywhere.
I hope the drug-addled minds of the protesters recognize what they and their ilk of the so-called ‘progressive’ persuasion have wrought.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Aug 21, 2008 - 8:54 am 62. Loki:[Progressive is a one-word oxymoron.]
Achillea, thank you for reining in the confusion over “reign” up above. God only knows how many times I’ve been annoyed by the ignorant misuse of this idiom.
Aug 22, 2008 - 1:43 pm 63. Charlie (Colorado):Apparently it stems from the diminishing use of equine-related terminology in general. And another term that’s probably annoyed you too is “chomping” [when they mean "champing"] at the bit. Let’s not even go near “bridal” and “bridle”.
Chitowner, you just don’t understand how common cyanide is as an industrial chemical. At least up in the mountains, we used to be able to buy it, and prussic acid, from the druggist, for gold refining.
“Has anyone considered the possibility that the gov’t might hire provocateurs to encourage violence, and then have the perfect excuse to use their shiny new riot control techniques?”
Well, apparently, but with this bunch I think it’d be gilding the lily.
“anarchist”: the bad part about anarchism is that it always seems to turn into collectivism.
Aug 24, 2008 - 11:47 am