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		<title>By: JS</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democrats-disgrace-themselves-in-ohio/comment-page-2/#comment-145059</link>
		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mandel&#039;s &quot;obligation to George Bush&quot; that Poole referred to as an attack on Mandel&#039;s military record was actually an attack on Mandel&#039;s loyalty to the Repub Party in a Democratic-leaning district.

Similarly, Poole claims Kilroy attacked Stivers, saying he&#039;s &quot;not on your side.&quot;  Poole provides no evidence that the remark was directed at Stivers&#039; military record.  In fact, the remark was directed at Stivers&#039; lengthy employment as a banking industry lobbyist and vice preside.

Poole has taken two remarks: &quot;not on your side,&quot; and &quot;obligation to George Bush,&quot; and twisted them to insinuate that they represent attacks on the military.  

He also provides no evidence to back his claim that these attacks represent the work of the OH Dem Party apparatus.  If anything, they&#039;re simple criticisms of singular Repub opponents by singular Dem opponents.  Nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mandel&#8217;s &#8220;obligation to George Bush&#8221; that Poole referred to as an attack on Mandel&#8217;s military record was actually an attack on Mandel&#8217;s loyalty to the Repub Party in a Democratic-leaning district.</p>
<p>Similarly, Poole claims Kilroy attacked Stivers, saying he&#8217;s &#8220;not on your side.&#8221;  Poole provides no evidence that the remark was directed at Stivers&#8217; military record.  In fact, the remark was directed at Stivers&#8217; lengthy employment as a banking industry lobbyist and vice preside.</p>
<p>Poole has taken two remarks: &#8220;not on your side,&#8221; and &#8220;obligation to George Bush,&#8221; and twisted them to insinuate that they represent attacks on the military.  </p>
<p>He also provides no evidence to back his claim that these attacks represent the work of the OH Dem Party apparatus.  If anything, they&#8217;re simple criticisms of singular Repub opponents by singular Dem opponents.  Nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Barney Frank (D) is now proposing a 25% reduction in military spending, he has got to be galactically stupid to come up with this. It was the left who made a bigger enemy out of George W. Bush than Al Qaeda. On e thing we know Al Qaeda wants us dead, I can respect them because they are up-front about their position, these other trolls that call themselves Americans are beneath contempt. The left is right up front in disqualifying military ballots, although the troops thrugh no fault of their own didn&#039;t get them mailed to them in time. 

Kevin C
Msgt USAF (Ret)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also Barney Frank (D) is now proposing a 25% reduction in military spending, he has got to be galactically stupid to come up with this. It was the left who made a bigger enemy out of George W. Bush than Al Qaeda. On e thing we know Al Qaeda wants us dead, I can respect them because they are up-front about their position, these other trolls that call themselves Americans are beneath contempt. The left is right up front in disqualifying military ballots, although the troops thrugh no fault of their own didn&#8217;t get them mailed to them in time. </p>
<p>Kevin C<br />
Msgt USAF (Ret)</p>
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		<title>By: FromScotland</title>
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		<dc:creator>FromScotland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having watched alot of US news channels over the past year i feel sorry for the American electorate..The media and the government in general treat the people with disdain..Afghanistan seems to be the forgotten war in your country,,it is also alot harder than Iraq yet it never seems to be mentioned..America seem to be divided in to left and right these days..All Americans should be proud of their country and its armed forces,,dont let politicians and the media divide you into left/right they have their reasons for dividing the people..As a Scotsman who lives in a left leaning country (not looney left like the US even the left in the UK support our troops) i say to my American cousins to unite and support McCain he isnt George Bush..God bless you all..By the way i am a socialist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having watched alot of US news channels over the past year i feel sorry for the American electorate..The media and the government in general treat the people with disdain..Afghanistan seems to be the forgotten war in your country,,it is also alot harder than Iraq yet it never seems to be mentioned..America seem to be divided in to left and right these days..All Americans should be proud of their country and its armed forces,,dont let politicians and the media divide you into left/right they have their reasons for dividing the people..As a Scotsman who lives in a left leaning country (not looney left like the US even the left in the UK support our troops) i say to my American cousins to unite and support McCain he isnt George Bush..God bless you all..By the way i am a socialist</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cal Observer: the Dems did try to lose this war, John Murtha (D) accuses Marines of murder, all were exonerated, Dick Durbin (D) said troops were comparable to Stalin, Pol Pot and Nazis, there were numerousattempts by the Dems to defund the war (unfourtunately for them) they didn&#039;t have enough votes, Harry Reid (D) displays lack of faith in the troops by stating the war is lost, John Kerry (D) calls the troops stupid, Obama accuses the troops without a shred of evidence of air raidng villages and murdring civilians and stating the surge would not work (what a military genius), their statements are no different from Al Qaeda&#039;s why? North Vietnamese Generals said during Vietnam they were ready to surrender until tehy heard the press and so many people (liberals) were trying their best to lose the war they then knew they could win because of their allies in the American press and protesting in the streets. It was also the Dems who did their best in the last two election cycles to find anyway they could to disqualify the overseas military ballots (some things just don&#039;t come letter perfect from war zones)and to some extend the same thing is being tried now. It was Dems who made fun of Bob Dole&#039;s hand and arm that were injured in the Korean war, it was the Obama campaign that made fun of John McCain (and I am no fan of his) inability to use E-mail, but that in ability comes from injuries to his arm and fingers he sustained in the Hanoi Hilton ( friends of the left were his hosts) Yes I will question their patriotism up one side and down the other. Unfortunately, they and others like them lie under a blanket of freedom the military they hold in contempt secure. 

 War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal Observer: the Dems did try to lose this war, John Murtha (D) accuses Marines of murder, all were exonerated, Dick Durbin (D) said troops were comparable to Stalin, Pol Pot and Nazis, there were numerousattempts by the Dems to defund the war (unfourtunately for them) they didn&#8217;t have enough votes, Harry Reid (D) displays lack of faith in the troops by stating the war is lost, John Kerry (D) calls the troops stupid, Obama accuses the troops without a shred of evidence of air raidng villages and murdring civilians and stating the surge would not work (what a military genius), their statements are no different from Al Qaeda&#8217;s why? North Vietnamese Generals said during Vietnam they were ready to surrender until tehy heard the press and so many people (liberals) were trying their best to lose the war they then knew they could win because of their allies in the American press and protesting in the streets. It was also the Dems who did their best in the last two election cycles to find anyway they could to disqualify the overseas military ballots (some things just don&#8217;t come letter perfect from war zones)and to some extend the same thing is being tried now. It was Dems who made fun of Bob Dole&#8217;s hand and arm that were injured in the Korean war, it was the Obama campaign that made fun of John McCain (and I am no fan of his) inability to use E-mail, but that in ability comes from injuries to his arm and fingers he sustained in the Hanoi Hilton ( friends of the left were his hosts) Yes I will question their patriotism up one side and down the other. Unfortunately, they and others like them lie under a blanket of freedom the military they hold in contempt secure. </p>
<p> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. &#8211; John Stuart Mill</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civilian National Security Force

Well it’s not really so scary because he’s already said he’s going to cut the military by 25% right?  That only means 750 billion or so in real spending for the Civilian Force.  Chump change, right?  What is so threatening about that?  Assuming that past behavior can sometimes be a reliable predictor of future behavior, let’s just spend 1/3 of it for him now….

Conservative visions of Brownshirts and Waffen SS are just plain silly!  Here is what it will really look like:

ACORN and related activities (some deniable): 100 billion
Pajamas Cyber Security Force: 50 billion
Pajamas Fairness Security Force: 20 Billion
Deniable Activities: 20 Billion
Literacy Security Force: 10 billion
Educational Security Force: 5 Billion
Celebrity-Led Initiatives: 25 Billion
Diversity Security Force: 10 Billion
Emotional Safety Initiatives: 10 Billion
Other Initiatives: 10 Billion

Details:
All volunteer force jobs below come with stipends, tax credits, tuition credits and scholarships.  Note that participation for young folks will be nearly mandatory because Obama has already told us he will withhold federal funds from high schools that don’t set up programs to require 50 hours per year from high school students and 100 hours per year from college students.

ACORN already has a dog’s breakfast of related enterprises to try to hide many of their activities.  Funds will be used to register voters, GOTV, press banks to go back to CRA-type loans. Etc, etc.  Cadre will be prevented by federal law from using high pressure tactics.

Pajamas Cyber Security Force:  We used to call them script kiddies, but they grew up and started voting while we weren’t looking.  They will get a Cheetos and Cheeze Whiz stipend, tax credits, tuition tax credits and tuition payments to ferret out and attack (sorry, I meant ‘ethical hacking’) web sites they don’t like.  They get to choose the threats they will attempt to remove.  Can’t take them to court or appeal their actions, because the attacks are anonymous for national security reasons.  1/3 of this budget will support well-protected government internet servers from which to launch their attacks.

Pajamas Fairness Security Force: like the above, but without the internet literacy.  These are the ones who sit at home and listen to TV, radio, and internet streams to ferret out unfairness in programming content.  Same Cheeze Whiz stipends and other benefits as above.

Deniable Activities: Hey, it’s only 20 billion, it’s deniable and it’s national security, right?

Literacy Security Force:  protects the nation from textbooks and other writings, especially in our libraries, that impose illegal moral judgments on others.  Their web site will keep a running tally on how many schools and libraries have been audited.  Books will always be burned in an environmentally friendly fashion.

Educational Security Force:  In a sense, this is the watchdog of the watchdogs, for without agreement on educational and social orthodoxies, chaos would reign supreme!  Ensures that teachers and students are protected and that the proper attitudes are exhibited toward their desires and accomplishments.  Tolerance will be zero-based.

Celebrity-Led Initiatives:  Rappers leading compulsory awareness seminars like ‘Bitch Slappin’  ‘Killin Hos’;  Children required to attempt to top ‘Piss Christ’ in art competitions;  Jane Fonda leads a public fornication seminar broadcast on national TV to liberate your hang-ups.

Diversity Security Force:  So you didn’t take your children to the gay pride parade in your neighborhood?  What’s wrong with you??  May occasionally carry ax handles, whips, or other heavy ‘toys’.  Firearms, of course, are forbidden.

Emotional Safety Initiatives:  That person paying for 4 carts of luxury foods, beer and liquor in the grocery store with several books of food stamps somehow felt a sense of disapproval from some folks while checking out.  You were the next person in line.  The shopper reported you.  You get a visit…  If anybody anywhere ‘feels bad’ it’s because of the unwarranted judgments of inconsiderate, lawless conservatives.  ESI cadre will identify and punish the worst offenders.

Other initiatives:  These funds are set aside for the brilliant ideas that percolate up from the grassroots.  Every idea has merit.

Hey and this is only the first 1/3 of the budget!

Local police departments, of course, will be forbidden by federal law from interfering in most activities of these cadre – they are involved in national security work!</description>
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<p>Well it’s not really so scary because he’s already said he’s going to cut the military by 25% right?  That only means 750 billion or so in real spending for the Civilian Force.  Chump change, right?  What is so threatening about that?  Assuming that past behavior can sometimes be a reliable predictor of future behavior, let’s just spend 1/3 of it for him now….</p>
<p>Conservative visions of Brownshirts and Waffen SS are just plain silly!  Here is what it will really look like:</p>
<p>ACORN and related activities (some deniable): 100 billion<br />
Pajamas Cyber Security Force: 50 billion<br />
Pajamas Fairness Security Force: 20 Billion<br />
Deniable Activities: 20 Billion<br />
Literacy Security Force: 10 billion<br />
Educational Security Force: 5 Billion<br />
Celebrity-Led Initiatives: 25 Billion<br />
Diversity Security Force: 10 Billion<br />
Emotional Safety Initiatives: 10 Billion<br />
Other Initiatives: 10 Billion</p>
<p>Details:<br />
All volunteer force jobs below come with stipends, tax credits, tuition credits and scholarships.  Note that participation for young folks will be nearly mandatory because Obama has already told us he will withhold federal funds from high schools that don’t set up programs to require 50 hours per year from high school students and 100 hours per year from college students.</p>
<p>ACORN already has a dog’s breakfast of related enterprises to try to hide many of their activities.  Funds will be used to register voters, GOTV, press banks to go back to CRA-type loans. Etc, etc.  Cadre will be prevented by federal law from using high pressure tactics.</p>
<p>Pajamas Cyber Security Force:  We used to call them script kiddies, but they grew up and started voting while we weren’t looking.  They will get a Cheetos and Cheeze Whiz stipend, tax credits, tuition tax credits and tuition payments to ferret out and attack (sorry, I meant ‘ethical hacking’) web sites they don’t like.  They get to choose the threats they will attempt to remove.  Can’t take them to court or appeal their actions, because the attacks are anonymous for national security reasons.  1/3 of this budget will support well-protected government internet servers from which to launch their attacks.</p>
<p>Pajamas Fairness Security Force: like the above, but without the internet literacy.  These are the ones who sit at home and listen to TV, radio, and internet streams to ferret out unfairness in programming content.  Same Cheeze Whiz stipends and other benefits as above.</p>
<p>Deniable Activities: Hey, it’s only 20 billion, it’s deniable and it’s national security, right?</p>
<p>Literacy Security Force:  protects the nation from textbooks and other writings, especially in our libraries, that impose illegal moral judgments on others.  Their web site will keep a running tally on how many schools and libraries have been audited.  Books will always be burned in an environmentally friendly fashion.</p>
<p>Educational Security Force:  In a sense, this is the watchdog of the watchdogs, for without agreement on educational and social orthodoxies, chaos would reign supreme!  Ensures that teachers and students are protected and that the proper attitudes are exhibited toward their desires and accomplishments.  Tolerance will be zero-based.</p>
<p>Celebrity-Led Initiatives:  Rappers leading compulsory awareness seminars like ‘Bitch Slappin’  ‘Killin Hos’;  Children required to attempt to top ‘Piss Christ’ in art competitions;  Jane Fonda leads a public fornication seminar broadcast on national TV to liberate your hang-ups.</p>
<p>Diversity Security Force:  So you didn’t take your children to the gay pride parade in your neighborhood?  What’s wrong with you??  May occasionally carry ax handles, whips, or other heavy ‘toys’.  Firearms, of course, are forbidden.</p>
<p>Emotional Safety Initiatives:  That person paying for 4 carts of luxury foods, beer and liquor in the grocery store with several books of food stamps somehow felt a sense of disapproval from some folks while checking out.  You were the next person in line.  The shopper reported you.  You get a visit…  If anybody anywhere ‘feels bad’ it’s because of the unwarranted judgments of inconsiderate, lawless conservatives.  ESI cadre will identify and punish the worst offenders.</p>
<p>Other initiatives:  These funds are set aside for the brilliant ideas that percolate up from the grassroots.  Every idea has merit.</p>
<p>Hey and this is only the first 1/3 of the budget!</p>
<p>Local police departments, of course, will be forbidden by federal law from interfering in most activities of these cadre – they are involved in national security work!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some seriously twisted people from the left posting here. Their party actually runs a campaign against a congressman criticizing him for serving our country in Iraq, and the righteous outrage posted here is somehow the real problem.

You don&#039;t need to question a persons patriotism when they show a complete lack of it on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some seriously twisted people from the left posting here. Their party actually runs a campaign against a congressman criticizing him for serving our country in Iraq, and the righteous outrage posted here is somehow the real problem.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to question a persons patriotism when they show a complete lack of it on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the military is necessary for the DEFENSE of OUR country and should be used for little else.&quot;

Well, get ready, Granny, if your guy wins:

for his civilian military necessary for the DEFENSE of HIS corrupt regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the military is necessary for the DEFENSE of OUR country and should be used for little else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, get ready, Granny, if your guy wins:</p>
<p>for his civilian military necessary for the DEFENSE of HIS corrupt regime.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin c</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DO YOU KNOW GOV STRICKLANDS OUT CAMPAIGN MAAGER FROM WHEN HE RAN FOR CONGRESS IS SUPPORTING MCCAIN/PALIN? HE SAYS THE SAME THING ABOUT THE DIMWITS THAT REAGAN ONCE SAID. &quot;I DIDNT LEAVE THEM,THEY LEFT ME&quot;. WHEN QUESTIONED, HE SAID IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS&quot; I CANNOT SUPPORT A HARDCORE MARXIST&quot;. STRONG WORDS FROM A MAN WHO HAS  RAN OVER 300 DEMONRAT CAMPAIGNS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DO YOU KNOW GOV STRICKLANDS OUT CAMPAIGN MAAGER FROM WHEN HE RAN FOR CONGRESS IS SUPPORTING MCCAIN/PALIN? HE SAYS THE SAME THING ABOUT THE DIMWITS THAT REAGAN ONCE SAID. &#8220;I DIDNT LEAVE THEM,THEY LEFT ME&#8221;. WHEN QUESTIONED, HE SAID IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS&#8221; I CANNOT SUPPORT A HARDCORE MARXIST&#8221;. STRONG WORDS FROM A MAN WHO HAS  RAN OVER 300 DEMONRAT CAMPAIGNS.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin c</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY PEZ-IF YOU WANT A GOOD CONCENTRATION CAMP.IM SURE YOUR COMMIE PALS CHAVEZ AND CASTRO CAN ARRANGE ONE FOR YOU. I BELEIVE SOLSHENITZYN CALLED THEM GULAGS. MEANWHILE,MAYBE YOU CAN NAME SOMEPLACE IN THE LOWER 48 THAT HAS BEEN TRANFORMED INTO A GW BUSH CONCENTRATION CAMP. IVE TRIED HARD,BUT SOMEHOW IVE FAILED TO FIND ONE. IM SURE WITH YOUR COMMIE PAL COMRADE OBAMACOMMIE I WONT HAVE TO LOOK FAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY PEZ-IF YOU WANT A GOOD CONCENTRATION CAMP.IM SURE YOUR COMMIE PALS CHAVEZ AND CASTRO CAN ARRANGE ONE FOR YOU. I BELEIVE SOLSHENITZYN CALLED THEM GULAGS. MEANWHILE,MAYBE YOU CAN NAME SOMEPLACE IN THE LOWER 48 THAT HAS BEEN TRANFORMED INTO A GW BUSH CONCENTRATION CAMP. IVE TRIED HARD,BUT SOMEHOW IVE FAILED TO FIND ONE. IM SURE WITH YOUR COMMIE PAL COMRADE OBAMACOMMIE I WONT HAVE TO LOOK FAR.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry R</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals will say and do anything to gain control and power. The simple reason is that they have no moral compass. Thus, they feel anything is acceptable. Look at their lives and their platforms....simple, no morals..No God....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals will say and do anything to gain control and power. The simple reason is that they have no moral compass. Thus, they feel anything is acceptable. Look at their lives and their platforms&#8230;.simple, no morals..No God&#8230;.</p>
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