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Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?

The Fox News host is being accused of inciting the violence that led to the high-profile murder.

June 2, 2009 - by Melissa Clouthier

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Winnant may also wish to apply his brand of logic to a piece in Monday’s Playboy, titled “conservative women we’d like to “hate-f***“:

The hatred is certainly apparent on all ten of the entries on this list. The boss hits #1 on this list, Amanda Carpenter’s on it too, but perhaps the entry on Mary Katharine Ham demonstrates their misogynism best:

The Hate F**k Rating: You get this one pregnant, she stays pregnant. Karma’s a bitch, isn’t it?

Let’s be clear about terms here. A “hate f**k” sounds like something perhaps just short of rape, but degrading enough to entertain the perverted twerps at Playboy. The fact that the magazine published this piece of effluvium should be enough to show that everyone in the editorial process, from the writer to Hef himself, don’t want women empowered. They want silent sex objects, and when confronted with women whose opinions differ from theirs, want them humiliated.

Vile and disgusting, right? Even some few on the left agree. Should one of these women be attacked, would Winnant join in the outrage, holding the Playboy writer and the magazine itself liable for the assault?

Not likely.

Gabriel Winnant wants certain people, people he disagrees with, to shut up. He wants his speech to be free but he doesn’t want Bill O’Reilly’s speech to be free. Ditto Tipper Gore. Ditto the Playboy writer who doesn’t deserve to be named. The rule is this: if you hold a view outside of liberal orthodoxy, you should say nothing … or else. In the case of the young, beautiful, conservative women listed in Playboy, speaking out risks being the subject of rape fantasies and being objectified and dehumanized.

This is America. While I find Winnant wrong and Tipper Gore wrong and the Playboy writer wrong, they’re free to give their opinion. Americans are free to speak stupidly, and the risk to a free society by constraining that speech outweighs the risks of having the speech expressed. So let the haters hate, expose it, and rebut. I say this being a woman who has received a death wish fantasy, more than once, on my blog.

I say this as a friend concerned about the safety of fellow bloggers who have been threatened. I have to choose sides, and I choose free speech.

Winnant? He certainly does not.

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260 Comments

1. vivo:

“Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?”

Yes

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:59 am 2. Marie Claude:

Z’oreilly isn’t a saint, he likes to phone his ready-made slogans to a converted audience, but he rather hides behind his profession when asking to assume what he jackasses

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:15 am 3. Ozzie:

A well reasoned article, clearly walking us through the liberals typical fascist behavior. In all things, leftists always end up standing for suppression of speech, confiscation of property, suppression of free thought and enslavement through a tax burden that leaves citizens working for government masters most of the year. If these things sound to you like descriptions of political parties in Germany in 1937 or Russia in 1914, your right. The US left has not achieved the level of victory yet that those powerful entities did, but then again, they have only had complete control for 4 months or so.

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:39 am 4. Linda Flemming:

Can’t help but feel sorry for these empty angry people, both killers and commentators.
Hate-f–king? That’s pathetic.
Saying someone’s remarks killed someone is about the stupidist thing I’ve heard; but again, weak-minded people at their peak.
That’s about as reasonable as assuming standing in my garage makes me a car.
Get a life, you leftist zombies.

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:54 am 5. Bob:

“Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?” No, and he has condemned the murder. As I understand it, Tiller was charged and found not guilty of performing illegal abortions or failing to report abortions. Even if Tiller’s killer was an O’Reilly fan, nothing Bill ever said suggested that individuals take the law into their own hands to “right the wrong of abortion” or failure to report child rapes.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:06 am 6. Barb:

Bill O’Reilly spoke out against a man who was killing living babies in the womb and pulling them out piece by piece. He had nothing to do with the killing of Tiller. One man did it. One man will pay the price for the one man he killed. I have no doubt that Tiller will also pay the price for the many men and women who had no chance to live because of him, and for the many woman who bear the scars of having aborted their own babies.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:15 am 7. David Thomson:

Bill O’Reilly never advocated for the murder of anyone. George Tiller was a despicable human being but we are also a nation of laws. His assassination weakens the inherently fragile bonds of society. Murderers who feel morally justified in killing somebody eventually don’t know where to draw the line. We can all become their victims. I well remember a video showing a bomb blowing up a large garbage container. The anti-abortion activist seemed totally indifferent to the possibility that an innocent child might be standing next to it. The infamous anti-slavery fanatic John Brown entered Harper’s Ferry—and the very first man he killed was a free black man merely doing his job! Beware of the self appointed killer. The next person he kills might be you. That you might even agree with his general moral outlook will not make any difference.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:20 am 8. Terry Gain:

The notion that the person responsible for the murder of Tiller is the murderer is too complex for leftists like vivo.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:22 am 9. Vaughn:

I hear ‘vivo’ is next! Another liberal, always willing to find someone to blame.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:25 am 10. Stella:

Keith Olberman killed the military recruiter.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:33 am 11. fear Obama:

pres. Hopenchanges adminstration opened the door for attacks on pro-abortion clinics.

March 2009
“The Department of State will contribute $50 million to UNFPA in 2009, as provided in the Omnibus Appropriations Act,” spokesman Robert Wood said in a press statement. “This decision highlights the Administration’s strong commitment to international family planning, women’s health, and global development.”
Wood praised the UNFPA for its family planning work, but made no mention of its pro-abortion activities or its working with Chinese population control authorities.
Obama-

Hey everybody look at me I am Pro Choice!

He loves the class warfare.

/and he will get it.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:34 am 12. Old Soldier:

Instead of political discourse and debate, petty little people like Olbermann accuse their rivals of murder. It’s silly. Olbermann is more outraged by O’Reilly’s far higher ratings than anything said on the program. I avoid both of them.

Do you Dems really want to make Tiller a martyr? I don’t condone his murder, but he was sleazy, evil man. He was killed by a deranged man with a criminal record. Don’t make that guy a John Brown.

A soldier was killed yesterday by a real terrorist.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:38 am 13. Jake:

Dumb question! Did the Left murder the recruiters? Individuals are responsible for their own actions regardless of the stimuli.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:43 am 14. happy1ga:

The man who shot Tiller is the one who is responsible. No one else. It is beyond preposterous to assume that just because someone has exposed a person’s evils, and killing more than 250 babies a yr due to late term abortions is evil, that they wanted someone to go out and murder Tiller. How do you explain the fact the man who murdered Tiller has been arrested for acts of violence and with having bomb making materials as far back as 12 yrs ago? Do we blame all Mslims now due to the fact the man who murdered the vet yesterday, and seriously injured the other was a Muslim convert? Or anti-war? Do we blame the Keith Olbermans who continually reported negatively on the soldiers? And the war? No. It’s stupid.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:53 am 15. Reiuxcat:

Absolutely correct, as we have seen before the left only wants freedoms for itself. The “fairness doctrine” is not far away. Likewise, with the new internet czar, don’t anyone be surprised when free specch is curtailed online.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:57 am 16. WhyamInotsurprised?:

O’Reilly simply told the truth.

But the fact that the left thinks he is responsible is ridiculous.
Bill O’Reilly will not take a firm position on anything always wanting to be in the middle so as to make nice for the biggest audience.

What is at issue here is the first salvo to be launched at far left libs who are driving this country down the tubes. People are fed up and it is the libs turn to run. Better get those running shoes on freaks, the only way to save yourself is to outrun the clown next to you. People can only be pushed so far and then the sleeping giant awakens.

How’s that for inciting violence?

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:59 am 17. jimpres:

O’Reilly did not kill Tiller. But Tiller did kill 60,000 humans for profit.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:04 am 18. Tony R:

Well done Vivo the Sheep. There’s nothing the left love more than locating a problems “root cause” and it looks like Bill O’Reilly is the nominated root cause of the abortion doctor being shot (not the actual actions of the doctor himself, oh no).

Pathetic.

When the angry liberal mobs incite each other suficiently with their bile and hated (read any comments threads about the shooting) presumably they will all be happy to take responsibility for any beatings/killings/damage that results. Yeah right.

Maybe they should hire Rage Boy for a few days?

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:04 am 19. WhyamInotsurprised?:

Hey Vino! Just five “Yes’s?” No little diddy to sing to?

I guess five “Yes’s” means you are really, really convinced that O’Reilly is guilty.

You and Frenchie should get together and congratulate each other on your amazing display of intelligence over your favorite bottle of bubbly.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:09 am 20. Delia:

Freedom of speech for a few but now for you.

Yep. That’s where America is heading.

Time to become a Libtard so we can spew whatever the frick we want without nary a consequence.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:11 am 21. Delia:

“But not for you”

Yeah, I’m awake. *cough*

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:11 am 22. Valerie:

O’Rellly is a self-styled blowhard (”bloviator”) and “culture warrior” but he does not encourage violence.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:16 am 23. Paul -Indiana:

George Tiller’s murderer has free will. He could have chosen not to kill anyone. O’Reilly isn’t culpable.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:17 am 24. Juke:

What an idiotic headline.

Is Olbermann trying to kill Rush Limbaugh?

Is Sean Penn trying to kill Bush?

How moronic

Tiller killed kids for a living. It wasn’t right that some random guy shot him but just call it a retro-active abortion & the lefties should all be happy.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:23 am 25. Fragmentarian:

Yes he did. Arrest him! But … while we’re at it, let’s round up and charge all the crazy imams and anyone else that is outright urging their flock or followers toward violence. Justice for ALL!

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:26 am 26. Boris:

Blaming O’Reilly for Tiller’s death is completely non-sensical.

The Playboy “hate-f88k” piece was extremely misogynistic.

Tipper Gore was a massive tool.

Holy crap, I’m agreeing with a PJM article.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:34 am 27. JHM dba ''Internet Critic":

Neocomradess Dr.(?) M. Clouthier and the alleged “Gabriel Winant” make a pretty pair. Which is more deservedly unheard of? [1]

SHE: Slow pass the hours, ah, passing slow;
My doom is worse than anything
Conceived by Edgar Allen Poe
The Queen is duller than the King.

HE: Lady, your mind is wandering,
You babble what you do not mean;
Remember to your heartening,
The King is duller than the Queen.

Max Beerbohm, “Ballade Tragique in Double Refrain”

Happy days.

___
[1] The pet google (a well known liberal fiend in her own right) produces a humongous three (3.0) matches for “Gabriel Winnant,” one of them this very screed, and a mere three million, two hundred seventy thousand (approximately) for the despised and rejected and can-never-get-a-fair-hearin’ “Bill O’Reilly.”

Oh, well, “Life is unfair!”

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:35 am 28. Mike2:

“Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?”
No
No
No
No
No

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:35 am 29. Bilgeman:

Ms. Clouthier:

O’Reilly Reported and Someone Decided,

Facts can be ugly and dangerous things.

So can reactions.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:36 am 30. Vinny Vidivici:

“Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?”

If so, then other media outlets which have for years ginned up animosity toward the U.S. military (including the fraudulent Haditha and Koran-flushing stories) would be responsible for yesterday’s politically-motivated murder of an Army recruiter:

http://www.msnbc.com/id/31048825

But, of course, the doc who performed the Left’s most precious sacrament gets the full Matthew Shepard. The murder of someone who chose a career defending us all will be ignored.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:37 am 31. Rick:

Good article. But the two comments are typical of pro-abortion people (not pro-choice, a term word-napped by abortion-on-demand supporters that originally applied to a decision made between a woman and her personal doctor, and if an abortion was necessary to save her life–very rare, then it was performed at a full-service hospital, not at an abortion mill).

The killer was responsible and no one else.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:44 am 32. tommyd:

To understand the left all you need to do is read post #1.
With a country full of sheep like that, who have given up on using their grey matter for any deductive thought, it is a simple process of herding them all into the sheep pens where they digest whatever the leftist establishment feeds them and then they sit there happily playing in their own feces.

Every once in a while they might look up like the 1 year old with poop smeared on their own face but then they happily return to the more interesting prospect of playing in their own s**t.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:46 am 33. Marie Claude:

Whyyoualwayssurprisedmeit’syoursenseofthenuance
I have a different raison not to like him, plouf !!!

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:47 am 34. gclarke:

Did those who oppose Jeffery Daumer’s cannabilism contribute to the assault on him in prison that got him killed? The equally dead Tiller tortured 60,000 babies to death for money, more than Mengele personally killed. No tears here for the bozo, but with apologies to Jerry Seinfeld, as to the vigilante who killed him: “Not that there’s anything right with that!”

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:15 am 35. alan:

I remember hearing about “the Kansas abortion doctor” on the O’Rielly Factor. I wanted to see the Doctor charged with a crime for anything he may have done that was against the law. I didn’t want him murdered by a self appointed executioner. Now I expect to see the Doctor’s killer punished for his crime. Bill O’Rielly did nothing wrong. What is wrong is for a journalist to withhold information that does not support their own ideology and personal agenda.

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:21 am 36. WhyamInotsurprised?:

#32 – Que es un “plouf?” ha ha, rhymes with souffffleeee!

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:24 am 37. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: O’Reilly

First off, I don’t care for the man. Ever since he called for the murder of Matt Drudge for outing him on his effort to get into talk radio. Such a mentality is always an indication of something vile lurking inside the psyche.

Secondly, item 1 is an indication of an ability to call for murder.

Thirdly, based on my christian ethic and knowledge of God, I don’t worry so much about the murder of babies by their own mothers and vile examples of humanity as represented by the late Dr. Tiller.

Why?

Because I know that He can take care of the victims.

Furthermore, I KNOW He can ‘take care of’ the murderers. Ever so much better than I ever could….were I so inclined. So I leave it to Him to ‘take care of them’.

Does this mean I condone ‘murder’? Hardly.

But as for O’Reilly…..

…..where did he call for the murder of this particular murderer?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Those who live by murder shall die by murder. -- Some Wag, around 2000 years ago (paraphrased)]

P.S. An interesting ‘coincidence’, that…..

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:29 am 38. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. But that doesn’t mean we christians are supposed to become the ‘murderers’ ourselves…..

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:29 am 39. SoCalDem:

No, Bill O’Reilly is a culture warrior, not a killer. Nobody that is pro-life on either side of the aisle is happy or elated with the murder of anyone, even someone as vile as George Tiller. In my personal opinion I am more concerned with the rising hatred of our men and women in uniform, it brings back ugly images from the last Asian war.

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:35 am 40. Texas Tom:

I remember when the factions were pro-choice and anti-abortion. The negativity of the “life” advocate’s moniker was shown to be a turn off for the swayed masses. So comes the tag “pro-life.” Shazam! The playing field is leveled in the battle of words. Time to start the next phase of Truthing. The pro-choice crowd has had a pass for too long… Time to call them out for what they are…”Pro-Death.” Yes folk, the culture of death needs to be called what it is, the pro-death camp.

How many choices were made before a woman’s body is turned over to a doctor of death? See? We just ask that choice come with limits and responsibility.

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:39 am 41. BettyBlue:

This is nothing new. After the Oklahoma City bombing, the Left attempted to pin the blame for that on Rush Limbaugh, and talk show radio hosts.

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:40 am 42. newton:

Oh, c’mon, people!

Both the abortion doctor and his killer were from Kansas. I’m sure as heck that the stuff that doctor was doing for years was an open secret all over that state. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knew what he was up to. That’s why he had such a nicely oiled PR machine, heading straight to the governor’s office. And of course, a jury let him go “scot-free”. Bill O’Reilly was a relative latecomer to this whole mess.

You want to find an incitement to murder? Why not look for it inside Kansas itself? Much closer to home for both the butcher and his killer than the Fox News building.

For being a state in the proverbial “middle of nowhere” of “flyover country”, that place is a powder keg. Remind me not to visit.

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:49 am 43. Manxman:

How about holding Kathleen Sibelius responsible? If she hadn’t perverted justice for Tiller in his recent go round with the Kansas legal system, Tiller might have lost his license & would still be alive today.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:01 am 44. Middleman:

I suspect FoxNews and the likes of Operation Rescue can expect lawsuits from Tiller’s family soon. O’Reilly might escape, but I doubt Operation Rescue will.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:05 am 45. rocketeer:

Boris – “Holy crap, I’m agreeing with a PJM article.” – Welcome to the dark side. Your conversion is complete, now go out and vote for Republicans…

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:06 am 46. ED S.:

Well if O’Reilly killed the abortion doctor then it follows reason that Maddow, Olbermann. Matthews. Pelosi, Reid and Obama have killed the recruiting officer. Theie hate and bile for the military and the war along with their excuses for radical Islam certainly helped pull the trigger

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:08 am 47. "progressive"watch:

In a few days the left will so twist this that they will
be claiming O’Reilly is responsible for bombings in Pakistan. Look at the Marie Claude [2]. This is not even her usual unlogic. It is leftist gibberish,a type of hate speech that might lead to murder. Now,look at Vivo [1]. Vivo is saying yes,yes,yes,yes,yes O’Reily is guilty of murder,and if anyone murders O’Reilly,Vivo will be guilty of murder, by his on unlogic.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:12 am 48. AThinkingPerson:

If O’Reilly killed Dr. Tiller then TeleBama killed that soldier at the military recruiting center in Arkansas.

Vivo….Well? Are you willing to lay the murdered soldier at Obama’s feet as easily as you are Dr. Tiller at O’Reilly’s? Yet another reason why liberals are idiots.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:16 am 49. Free Hat:

“And if I could get my hands on Tiller — well, you know. Can’t be vigilantes. Can’t do that. It’s just a figure of speech.” — Bill O’Reilly

Did O’Reilly kill Tiller?

No.

Is he partly responsible for his death?

Yes, and so are Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, the GOP, Operation Rescue, and the rest of the reactionary right wing movement that has worked for decades to encourage and instill the notion that abortion doctors are baby-killing Nazi monsters who must be stopped at any and all costs.

By continually broadcasting this hate to the many angry, potentially violent, disturbed right wingers who watch Fox News and other reactionary right wing news outlets, the conservative movement is basically asking for violence, and has nurtured a culture of right wing fundamentalist terrorists who believe that they have an obligation to murder those that they disagree with.

Day in and day out, the right wing movement, with the help of Fox, Rush, and this Web site, continues relentlessly fear mongering and hate mongering:
Democrats bringing fascism and totalitarianism!
Gays are threatening your family!
Obama is taking your guns away!
Muslims terrorists are hiding in your backyard!
Mexicans lining up on the border!
Abortion doctors are murdering toddlers!

It was really only a matter of time before right wing violence began skyrocketing. The right wing is now murdering cops, abortion doctors, churchgoers, and Democratic party leaders, and all because of the climate of fear and hate that O’Reilly and other are stoking.

And what do O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Beck gain by stoking this sort of violence? Ratings and publicity, obviously.

It was clearly a mistake for Janet Napolitano to back track on the Right Wing Extremism memo. Obviously the FBI needs to start doing a better job of monitoring right wing nutjobs.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:17 am 50. Phoebe:

O’Reilly is a hubris entertainer. He would like you to think he is “fair and balanced” but all he does is insert “HIS” views and opinions on the world. And, at times, he is a hate-monger.

Frankly, I can’t take for than 5 minutes of him, and his idiology is frightening and pernicious.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:22 am 51. ED S.:

Democrats bringing fascism and totalitarianism!-Obama has named 14 czars unaacoutable to only Obama. Russia in their entire history did not have that many.

Obama is taking your guns away! He is too busy taking away other freedoms but this one is coming
Muslims terrorists are hiding in your backyard!- Read a newspaper lately? How many were caught in a plot in NYC and now Arkansas?
Mexicans lining up on the border!- The illegal immigrant population now stands at how many million?
Abortion doctors are murdering toddlers!No but they are killing viable full term babies.
I suppose we don’t have any left wing nut jobs only because that term is proving to be redundant

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:33 am 52. tommyd:

Free Hat,
Thanks for the latest Leftist Talking Points, now return to your leftist kept sheep pen and await further feedings.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:38 am 53. Typos_R_us:

I say, but then again I’m aware of the meaning of cause and effect.
People have been killing baby murdering doctors since way before O’Riely was around.
Remember that scum-bag was the worlds #1 serial killer. While Hitler and Stalin ORDERED more deaths, as far as doing it yourself, one at a time using hand tools, Tiller is the champion. I doubt that any of the Nazi Death camp guards murdered as many people as Tiller the Slayer did.
Two good things come out of this. The first is that the Left isn’t blaming the handgun, which is rare. The second is that Tiller is dead and roasting in hell now.
If you want to assign blame start with the hero that pulled the trigger. If you want, you can spread a little blame to those that refuse to allow the law to protect unborn children. The real culprits are the black robed tyrants that allowed unborn children to be murdered in the first place.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:43 am 54. whataloadacrap:

Bill O’Reilly responsible for Tiller the Killers demise? Bull$hit! Put the blame where it really lies, on Obama! After all, he’s the President right? The “Buck Stops Here” right? It happened on his watch right? So suck it up and be a man Barry, you’re responsible!

(Somehow or another the moonbats will find a way to blame Bush, they always do.)

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:44 am 55. Fragmentarian:

Freeasshat – So … after rounding up your targets (everyone who disagrees with you apparently), may we begin charging the radical imams in the mosques who every day actually incite violence towards other muslims and non muslims alike?

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:46 am 56. sheesh:

Wiat a minute . . . I thought O’Reilly was the most powerful man in cable . . . talk radio the most powerful forcer in media . . . Culture Warriors! Are you saying they have no effect on people? If so, then the MSM can’t be blamed for anything either. I’ll even give you your choice . . . go ahead, take your pick . . . do they or don’t they?

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:49 am 57. HonestJon:

This whole episode is shameful on a number of accounts.

1: Tiller was a doctor (I use the term very loosely here) whose oath contains the phrase, “First, do no harm.” Well, he did a lot of harm.
2: Whoever killed Tiller murdered him in cold blood at church. (Not that the evil bastard should have been allowed anywhere near a church.)
3: Tiller’s murderer waited far too long to strike the blow. How many children would be alive today had he acted sooner? (For the record, I disagree strongly with killing ANYBODY (except terrorists or murderers.))

Utterly shameful!

regards

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:05 am 58. elvis:

Bill O’ Reilly just gave me orders to ABORT sheeesh and vivo.
Now that’s something to write about!

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:09 am 59. sheesh:

58 elvis . . . So which is it? Do they media have an effect on behavior or not?

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:15 am 60. Sebastian Shaw:

What a silly question. However, the MSM will try to make this silly question reality when it couldn’t be farther from the truth.

Bill O’Reilly exposed Dr. Tiller’s late term abortions as infanticide while the MSM glorified the man. The MSM continues to glorify Dr. Tiller with his murder. It does not make what Dr. Tiller did right. And his murder is not justified either.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:15 am 61. tommyd:

If Fear and Hate mongering along with class warfare and racism was wiped out the Democratic party would cease to exist as that is all they promote each and every day.

Divide and Conquer that is their motto.

How did teleprompter Jesus get his stimulus package passed?

Fear mongering and class warfare.

The Democratic Party. The most divisive political party in the history of or country.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:20 am 62. Freya:

HonestJon,

“I disagree strongly with killing ANYBODY (except terrorists or murderers”

So, you do support the killing of Dr. Tiller, then? By your own account, he was a murderer.

Your honesty is refreshing.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:21 am 63. sheesh:

57. HonestJon . . . “Whoever killed Tiller murdered him in cold blood at church. (Not that the evil bastard should have been allowed anywhere near a church.)”

There’s the good old patriotic American Christian I know and love . . . “God loves you, just so long as you agree with me.”

Come to think of it, you’re right, he shouldn’t have been in church . . . a complete waste of time. And his wife shouldn’t have been in there either, singing in the choir . . . blasphemy! She deserved to see her husband gunned down in cold blood. It’s god’s will . . . and god’s justice . . . or is it god’s reward to call Dr Tiller home before his time?

Hey this god/church stuff is puzzling, ain’t it?

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:22 am 64. UTOPIA:

I wouldn’t be surprised if the left PAID Tiller to be a killer
so they could gloat…and point fingers

O’REILLY’S A GOOD GUY:~)

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:28 am 65. elvis:

“do they media?”
sheeeeeesh i don’t watch tv… or pay attention much to “they media”
I have better things to do.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:31 am 66. Tomp:

I consider this a very, very late term abortion. Is there a time limit on partial birth abortions? If the child manages to squirm, kick and cry for five minutes?, ten minutes? is there a cut off when the murder doc has to stop? If not…what?

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:36 am 67. Mr Lucky:

Towards a logical conclusion.

The actual murderer is just a tool, an extension of his facilitators and firearm.

Every murder committed on this planet must have a media facilitator. Whether it be a commentator, actor, musician or fill in the blank __________, collateral blame must be assigned somewhere. Going further, all crimes would come under this umbrella. In fact, whole businesses/organizations etc. should be libel for any crime as well…

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:37 am 68. savage24:

Did O’Reilly kill Dr. Tiller? Nuts! This proves that there are more horses asses then horses.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:37 am 69. elvis:

but sheeesh… I know one thing, Godless secularism has turned you into a special needs teeth gnasher.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:41 am 70. Free Hat:

53. Typos_R_us: “Two good things come out of this. The first is that the Left isn’t blaming the handgun, which is rare. The second is that Tiller is dead and roasting in hell now. If you want to assign blame start with the hero that pulled the trigger. If you want, you can spread a little blame to those that refuse to allow the law to protect unborn children. The real culprits are the black robed tyrants that allowed unborn children to be murdered in the first place.”

You sound just like the Taliban.

Fragmentarian: “Freeasshat – So … after rounding up your targets (everyone who disagrees with you apparently), may we begin charging the radical imams in the mosques who every day actually incite violence towards other muslims and non muslims alike?”

Who said anything about rounding anyone up? I’m just saying that people ought to take responsibility for their actions.

The people on this Web site like Typos R us are applauding Tiller’s murderer while simultaneously claiming that the right-wing and the pro-life movement share no responsibility for Tiller’s death.

But you do share in the responsibility by your complicity. When you applaud the murder of law abiding citizens, and celebrate those who murderer them, you are encouraging the act, just as ordinary Germans shared in the responsibility for the Nazi’s atrocities by being complicit with, and applauding, Nazi atrocities. Just as the Nazis were able to convince the Germans that Jews were subhuman and deserved to be murdered, the GOP party leaders and the right-wing media have convinced right-wingers that doctors who perform abortions are subhuman and deserve to die. And now it’s playing out.

Within 5 months of a Democratic administration, the conservative movement has devolved into a violent fundamentalist Taliban party, made up of unhinged individuals who believe that they have the right to commit acts of murder and terrorism against their fellow citizens in response to their shrinking political power.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:41 am 71. College Know-It-All Hippy:

O’Reilly Lied! Tiller Died!

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:43 am 72. BettyBlue:

I’m sure vivo would agree that if Bill O’Reilly killed Tiller, then, using his logic, Andrew Sullivan is helping to harm Jews, and create anti-semetism: http://valley-of-the-shadow.blogspot.com/2009/05/andrew-sullivan-anti-semite-anti-israel.html

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:44 am 73. Ms. Attitude:

I never heard O’Reilly mention Tiller. I never heard of late term abortions until a couple of years ago and that was on the MSM.

I’ve felt an unborn baby move inside me, I’ve listened to their heartbeat. My yougest son actually made noises sucking his thumb that we could hear before he was born. I couldn’t wait to hold my babies and love them.

How could someone kill a baby knowing that it is alive? The doctor was a murderer and I hope and pray that he asked God for forgiveness in his last breath. Maybe in Heaven God will let him hold the all the babies he killed.

http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/calendar/week21

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:49 am 74. bobbcat:

1. vivo: ““Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?”

Yes

Yes”

What’s the nature of the above post?

Dumb

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:51 am 75. elvis:

Free Hat… O’Reilly wants me to be abort you too. Apparently your mother didn’t get the memo!

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:51 am 76. Ms. Attitude:

And as for Tiller performing procedures to kill the unborn babies being carried by young girls who were 10-15 and not reporting the rape…it just goes to show that he wasn’t in the business for the women.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:53 am 77. WhyamInotsurprised?:

A quote from Gen. Norman Schwartzkopf comes to mind, when asked about forgiving our enemies, he said

“It is God’s job to judge, my job is to arrange the meeting.” I like that one.

Liberals are always great at making others sacrifice. Are they ready and willing sacrifice their lives for what they believe in? I doubt it.

Sheeeesssssssh – always with the attacks on religion. Puzzling? Only to someone with shit-for-brains.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:58 am 78. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: THIS….

O’Reilly Lied! Tiller Died! — College Know-It-All Hippy

….is what we get for our college ‘investment’?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Anybody know of a good Home-School ‘University’?

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:59 am 79. Ms. Attitude:

70. Free Hat: But you do share in the responsibility by your complicity. When you applaud the murder of law abiding citizens, and celebrate those who murderer them, you are encouraging the act, just as ordinary Germans shared in the responsibility for the Nazi’s atrocities by being complicit with, and applauding, Nazi atrocities. Just as the Nazis were able to convince the Germans that Jews were subhuman and deserved to be murdered, the GOP party leaders and the right-wing media have convinced right-wingers that doctors who perform abortions are subhuman and deserve to die. And now it’s playing out.

We can take your quote and apply it to the left as well. Defend the unborn instead of those that are killing them.

But you do share in the responsibility by your complicity. When you applaud the murder of the unborn, and celebrate those who murder them, you are encouraging the act, just as ordinary Germans shared in the responsibility for the Nazi’s atrocities by being complicit with, and applauding, Nazi atrocities. Just as the Nazis were able to convince the Germans that Jews were subhuman and deserved to be murdered, the DNC party leaders and the left-wing media have convinced left-wingers that babies are subhuman and deserve to die. And now it’s playing out.

There, that’s more accurate!

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:00 am 80. College Know-It-All Hippy:

Umm…Chuck. Just in case you missed the reference:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154822

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:05 am 81. BettyBlue:

So, can we blame Andrew Sullivan for the rise of anti-semetism in the San Fernando Valley? http://www.insidesocal.com/politics/2009/06/anti-semitism-on-rise.html

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:09 am 82. tommyd:

more from free hat:

quote:

“Within 5 months of a Democratic administration, the conservative movement has devolved into a violent fundamentalist Taliban party, made up of unhinged individuals who believe that they have the right to commit acts of murder and terrorism against their fellow citizens in response to their shrinking political power.”

what a joke of spin this is.
You must subscribe to Janet Nap’s Homeland Security view of conservatives. Every conservative is a Homeland security risk. yeah right.

So one (1) anti abortion nut case goes over the edge and it is ALL conservatives right there with him. get real you sheeple.

That paragraph was probably sent to you from one of your fearless leaders at the HuffPo with instructions to repeat as often as possible until it is fact in your little mind.
Trying to associate conservatives with the “Fundamentalist Taliban “?? haha, you are so pathetic.

By that same logic that means every lib is now associated with the Killer of the 2 Soldiers. Every one of you killed the 2 Soldiers.

Wake up, your knee jerk logic is nothing but contradictions. Your brain has been filled with mush from your handlers and you have lost the ability to think in a reasoned manner.

It is obvious you are doing nothing other than regurgitating lines and talking points from the left.
Do they pay you for your pathetic service?

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:12 am 83. Mark S:

They white washed our brains with hope and change and all we can say is what a shame.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:12 am 84. tanstaafl:

Winnant is implying that O’Reilly incited the murder of Dr. Tiller because…

The premise is stupid.

There are plenty of people who become obsessed precisely like Scott Roeder.

Winnant should listen to…

Observations of Roeder’s ex-wife

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:12 am 85. Chuck Pelto:

TO: College Know-It-All Hippy
RE: References

Umm…Chuck. Just in case you missed the reference: — College Know-It-All Hippy

I don’t WATCH the boob tube anymore. Gave up on it 12 years ago as a waste of time and intellect. A brain-deadening experience. Or much, much worse.

Maybe you should learn to use the ’smilies’ here to indicate ’sarcasm’. As such isn’t blatantly obvious in ‘textual’ form.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Good communication is the hobgoblin of the blogosphere. ]

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:13 am 86. Fragmentarian:

FreeASShat – Au contraire. I DO NOT SHARE complicity, at all. I have neither exhorted murderers nor do I support murder. That is, the killing of babies or even of people I disagree with. You, however, could explain how you see all conservatives and anti-abortionists as somehow complicit and yet, apparently, give violence promoting muslims and leftist fellow travellers a free pass. Due to The Religion of Peace thing, I suppose. Using your “logic”, it’s either the same thing or you have to admit that your “logic” is faulty. Do that or get lost.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:16 am 87. muffler:

Question:

Do oyu feel that O’Reilly could have made him opinion known about pro-life and late term abortions without naming anyone specifically over and over? I personally think that the topic is worthy of public debate, but pointing out a particular individual who is within the law is wrong. Yes O’Reilly is guilty of voluntarily providing the outrage and focus to a particular individual.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:19 am 88. HonestJon:

62. Freya: wrote: “So, you do support the killing of Dr. Tiller, then? By your own account, he was a murderer.

Your honesty is refreshing.”

That’s your straw man there. I never called Tiller a murderer. I only said that he was a doctor (loosely used, again.)

And I call them like I see them. Everytime.

63. sheesh: wrote: “There’s the good old patriotic American Christian I know and love . . . “God loves you, just so long as you agree with me.””

I hate to pee in your puddle, but I’m agnostic as a toad. A “good old patriotic American” to be sure, but NOT RELIGIOUS.

66. Tomp: I guess the answer to your question from a leftist point-of-view would be that if the baby—YES BABY—hasn’t emerged from the womb, then it’s abortable. This is the case even if the baby is fully viable and able to live independently of the mother. It’s apparently also the case if the baby is born alive after a botched abortion. I suppose then it must—simply must—be put out of its misery.

77. WhyamInotsurprised?: Fantastic quote! Schwarzkoph was a fantastic general and is a great American. I don’t recall reading that quote in his autobio, but it’s been a while since I read it. It’s a good read if you’re interested…

regards

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:20 am 89. Free Hat:

79. Ms. Attitude: Your comparison is unfounded. The difference is that whereas many on the pro-life side are applauding the death of Tiller and celebrating the murderer, nobody on the pro-choice side is celebrating the deaths of the unborn.

The pro-choice movement understands that while abortion should not be needed in a perfect world, there are many instances in reality in which a mother is physically unable to carry a pregnancy to term without causing serious physical harm or death to her, and therefore in those and other cases, a woman should not be forced to carry a baby to term. It is tragic that unborn fetuses die as a result, however the alternative, in which abortions are outlawed, will only cause more deaths, as women will inevitably die from pregnancy complications as well as accidentally kill themselves by having abortions unsupervized by a medical professional.

The fact that the pro-life movement is unwilling to be realistic about this, is unwilling to compromise, and is so willing to resort to violence to oppose abortion, simply shows that your movement is bound to fail.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:27 am 90. Sherab Zangpo:

I post here the same post that I have published on the other thread:

I regret the murder of any person.

And I ask myself why we never passionately discuss the murder of every single aborted baby.

And I conclude that the nihilists and the subversives are always brainwashing us, ALWAYS.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:28 am 91. Dave:

Free Hat gets stupid quote of the day: “Within 5 months of a Democratic administration, the conservative movement has devolved into a violent fundamentalist Taliban party, made up of unhinged individuals who believe that they have the right to commit acts of murder and terrorism against their fellow citizens in response to their shrinking political power.”

Show me the organized effort to murder or threaten or even silence people by mainstream conservatives. Can’t do it? That’s because it does not exist. The Taliban comment is pure demagoguery and the author is an idiot. What this nut job did was wrong but trying to silence people (like O’Reilly) who were critical of this abortion doctor is nothing more than a partisan attack to silence someone you don’t like.

You want to see a real movement in support of murder and terror? How about the lefts endless discounting of Marxist terrorists like Ayers and his wife? Lets talk about their historical love affair with murderers like Che and Stalin. How about their role as apologists for Palestinian terror? The right has and will continue to denounce this killer (both of them) while the left will find excuses for the killers they like. We will have forgotten this killers name long before you stop wearing your Che t-shirts.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:40 am 92. susan:

“is vivo mentally challenged?”

Yes

You have to pity him, considering the family he comes from.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:15 am 93. susan:

marie claude why don’t you ask your french socialist government to sponsor a good english class?

do you think you are so chic in spelling like a 4 year old?

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:17 am 94. Eric Florack:

Melissa;
My compliments.

As you suggest, there are a goodly number of left-of-center bloggers that have blamed Bill O’Reilly and other more-or-less mainstream conservative commentators for creating the tension that made murdering Tiller more likely. I reject that argument on its face.

Unless, of course, we’re going to see admissions on the part of pro-abortion types that their rhetoric is directly responsible for an environment conducive to the attacks on those who, while non-violent, oppose abortion. Or, we’ll see them admit that anti-military protests from the left has generated an environment where recruiters are far more likely to get shot at? Yeah, I don’t think so, either.

Allow me to draw this one a bit more sharply:

The difference in the reaction to the Murder of Abortionist George Tiller vs the murder of Pvt William Long, at the recruiting station in Little Rock, yesterday, are the clues to all this. If we take those as the examples, one must be in the political favor of the left to garner their concern when they get murdered, and Pvt Long being military… and the left being anti-military and pro-abortion as a rule, Pvt Long’s murder doesn’t merit the leftist outrage that George Tiller’s murder does. A look at how each of those stories got handled, both by the press and by the left-o-sphere tells the tale rather well, I think.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:18 am 95. Ms. Attitude:

89. Free Hat: Excuse me but none of these abortions performed by this man were proven to be harmful to the mother. Evidently, you do not have your facts right. There are few and I mean few!!!!!! abortions where the mother is at harm. They are performed because the pro baby killers love to scream: IT’S MY BODY AND MY CHOICE!!

You really need to get out more and see who you are defending.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:23 am 96. Ms. Attitude:

I typed in anger above! His killing of the babies were not done for the safety or to save the life of the mother…very few are. Have you had an abortion? I know a few women who have and the mental anguish is beyond anything giving birth could cause. Abortions are murder and they are used as birth control. You are just as guilty of these murders because you sit back and do nothing! Put that in you Hat!

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:28 am 97. Ms. Attitude:

And another thing Mr. Free Hat!! I do NOT condone the murder of this man. I do NOT condone the murder of innocent unborn babies! How dare you say that the right is rejoicing in the murder of this man. I do NOT know of anyone, not a single person, that rejoices at murder and most people I know are right wingers. In fact I think someone needs to smack his preacher upside his head with the word of God! His preacher should’ve preached more about the ten commandments and THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!!!

The laws of man can be broken but the laws of God cannot!

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:39 am 98. ReConUSMC:

RECRUITING CENTER MURDERER WAS ANTI-MILITARY MUSLIM

It was reported today that the man who shot two soldiers at a Little Rock Army recruiting center was Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad, a Muslim convert formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe. Muhammad reportedly “said he was opposed to the U.S. military.”

After the murder of Kansas abortionist George Tiller on Sunday, lefties like Andy Sullivan and denizens of the Daily Kos immediately tried to pin the blame on Bill O’Reilly, who did a program critical of Dr. Tiller. It will be interesting to see whether they’re consistent enough to blame themselves for Muhammad’s attack. After all, if Muhammad was a Sullivan reader he probably thought American soldiers don’t do anything all day long but waterboard detainees.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:43 am 99. AThinkingPerson:

Obama is directly responsible for the soldiers death by the Muslim extremist at the recruitment center in Arkansas.

Yes

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:48 am 100. misanthropicus:

If anyone wants to see a PJM replica of what’s happening to Bill O’Reilly, just watch the Soeterotrolls’ activity, and how (especially dba Jack) is trying to inject and the idea that the commenters here are violence prone.

Not very bright, but he’s always inserting in his arguments this idea as a “fait accompli”, for intimidating his opponents.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:51 am 101. ReConUSMC:

s. Attitude:
89. Free Hat: Excuse me but none of these abortions performed by this man were proven to be harmful to the mother. Evidently, you do not have your facts right. There are few and I mean few!!!!!! abortions where the mother is at harm. They are performed because the pro baby killers love to scream: IT’S MY BODY AND MY CHOICE!!

You really need to get out more and see who you are defending.
_________________________________
Madam just because your a radical leftist and Voted for Obama obviously does not mean you need
to be that totally Stupid “!
Any Baby in the Last Trimester Hair and Finger Nails grows , Laughs , Cry’s , Farts . Plays. Angry , Impatient and Sleeps . Theirs minds are obviously far more alive than Yours .
One suspects your also for a Convicted Mass Murder to Choice not to be condemned to a Death Sentence as well .

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:53 am 102. tommyd:

another BS quote from Free Hat:

Quote:

“The pro-choice movement understands that while abortion should not be needed in a perfect world, there are many instances in reality in which a mother is physically unable to carry a pregnancy to term without causing serious physical harm or death to her, and therefore in those and other cases, a woman should not be forced to carry a baby to term. It is tragic that unborn fetuses die as a result, however the alternative, in which abortions are outlawed, will only cause more deaths, as women will inevitably die from pregnancy complications as well as accidentally kill themselves by having abortions unsupervized by a medical professional.”

Oh Please, What a load of BS.
Once again free hat is regurgitating the “Party Line” . Is it not obvious to everyone this individual is cut & pasting these paragraphs right out of the DNC talking points manual??

I would like to see the stats on how many abortions were actually due to medical necessity and not simply “On Demand” type. Real stats not make believe ones.

The above quote and quotes from each of his/her post today highlight the lefts hypocrisy and that their own stated positions are positions of contradictions and basically lies.

Wake up people, the leftist put out these talking point positions when the fact is they have no relation to what they are actually doing behind the smoke screen provided by the MSM. They are LIERS.

The poster free hat is nothing more than a lemming, defending leftist positions over and over with no intelligent thought process, just cut & paste from leftist talking points.

Just think, people like this might be teaching your children, in school right now, their twisted ideas.

That is a scary proposition.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:02 am 103. RedneckJD:

I do not regret the death of Tiller; I do regret an individual taking the law into his own hands. If law enforcement in Kansas, had done their jobs properly, Tiller would have been in prison, and safe from a vigilante.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:07 am 104. The Shadow:

Although O’Reilly did not cause this death, he did single out the person multiple time making it easier for a derranged person to focus his anger on that person. All the other wingnuts here who try to blame the recruiter’s death on Oberman or Obama demonstrate the weakness of their intellect. In O’Reilly’s case he singled out a specific person, on the other hand you have peole who were against the war, but NEVER singled out any person as being evil. It is the sigmatization of a person as evil that is the problem

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:17 am 105. em:

These right-wing killers were clearly incited by the likes of Bill O’Reilly (who demonized Tiller 29 times on his show) and three decades of hate from the Christian right … just as O’Reilly’s book was read by the killer at the Unitarian Church in Knoxville, who killed ‘because he hated liberals.’

Nice ‘culture of life’ you got there. Kill abortion doctors, start wars based on lies, kill and torture brown-skinned people to justify your actions … all in the name of God and GW Bush.

How many attacks on pro-life protesters and adoption agencies by abortion rights activists can you cite?

Since 1977 in the United States and Canada, crimes committed against abortion providers have included 6 murders, 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings, 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid.

I have to say, I’ve seen an amazing amount of celebrating from the white Christian wingnut blogosphere on Tiller’s death. These must be the right wing terrorists that Homeland Security has warned us about. The Tiller’s killer belonged to a group called the Freemen – a self proclaimed “Christian patriot” group. Many of those right wing terrorists are now in jail. These are some of the most hateful, hypocritical, bigoted unAmerican people in the country. Thnanx for showing us your true colors … and, if you want a country run by religion, I might suggest Iran.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:25 am 106. Delia:

If someone kills Rush Limbaugh, I’m going to blame DohBama for singling him out.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:27 am 107. AThinkingPerson:

Sorry to rain on your superiority parade there “The Shadow” but my pointing out that Obama is to blame for that Muslim wingnut killing a soldier at a recruitment center does not “demonstrate the weakness of their intellect.” Quite the opposite. I’ve demonstrated the inherent bias in a liberal argument. Somehow a Republican can be found to be the source of whatever befalls someone engaging in a liberal activity (ie… aborting almost full term babies) but a Democrat can NEVER be held to the same standard because there are always extenuating circumstances. How convenient for you eh? LOL! Typical liberal argument.

The only person who can be held accountable for Dr. Tiller’s death besides the shooter is Dr. Tiller himself. He sucked out viable babies. He chose that profession. He continued on that path knowing there were loonies out there with bent on violence. Any attempt to lay blame elsewhere is just a LAME attempt to sully someone’s reputation that you don’t agree with.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:32 am 108. SteveB/Colorado:

#95, #96 Ms Attitude: “none of these abortions performed by this man were proven to be harmful to the mother….” “his killing of the babies were not done for the safety or to save the life of the mother…..”

So, we can assume that you have easy access to all the medical records in Dr. Tiller’s office and thus have conclusive proof to support your statement? Or, are you just stating a typical anti-abortion opinion?

“Abortions are murder and they are used as birth control….” What’s your opinion of the Catholic Church’s stance on contraception. Or other religious groups for whom abstinence is the only way. Would you agree that abortions would become few in number if contraception was more readily available. How do you feel about sex education in high schools? Do you feel hormone drenched teens are always going to agree to “just say no?”

In other words, are you working to limit the number of abortions by helping women in need, or improving educational opportunities?

#97 Ms Attitude: “how dare you say that the right is rejoicing in the murder of this man?” Well, maybe not the entire right, but certainly many posters on this particular thread and a couple other threads here on PJM. I’m also reminded of the statements made by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell that 9/11 occurred as God’s punishment of America due to abortion and gay marriage.

For the record, I don’t agree with those trying to assign responsibility for Tiller’s assassination to Bill O’Reilly. But groups like Operation Rescue and Focus on the Family do share in the guilt. One cannot engage in incendiary rhetoric for years without some nut cases striking the match.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:32 am 109. tommyd:

quote:

The Shadow:

So all the hate directed at Military members from the leftist, and don’t try to act like this is not the truth, does not make anyone wearing the uniform a potential walking target??? Why worry about singling out one military member when you can just paint them all with one broad brush.
I believe it is YOUR intellect that is lacking here.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:37 am 110. Eric Florack:

but NEVER singled out any person as being evil

Thereby making anyone in uniform a valid target.
Or hadn’t that idea occurred to you?

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:43 am 111. tanstaafl:

I would like to see the stats on how many abortions were actually due to medical necessity and not simply “On Demand” type. Real stats not make believe ones.

The vast majority, worldwide, are simple elective abortions (no medical necessity) performed before 12 weeks.

Free hat is talking through his hat when he “fears” that abortions performed out of genuine medical necessity would be banned if abortion were to become, again, illegal.

Numbers performed in this country exploded after passage of roe v. wade. They’re now declining again somewhat and the country as a whole cognizing the travesty that flowed from that ruling.

I’ve always found it ironic that feminists declared roe v. wade such a great victory. It seems to me that celebrating a court ruling to insure “control over your own body” is a lame position and an abdication of personal power, not a reinforcement of personal power.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:48 am 112. David:

O’Reilly told the truth, and he didn’t kill Tiller. Kathleen Sebelius and many other KS Democrats took Tiller’s money and allowed him to stay in business. They bear more responsibility than O’reilly.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:52 am 113. Ms. Attitude:

101. ReConUSMC: PLEASE READ MY FOLLOWING COMMENT TO THE ONE YOU RESPONDED TO…I AM FAR FROM A LEFTY.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:58 am 114. tommyd:

this is really getting to be too much.

qoute:
em:

“These right-wing killers were clearly incited by the likes of Bill O’Reilly”

Humm… So now we have a gang or multiple “KILLERS”

Is that anything like when “Rouge SUV’s” take it upon themselves to kill Yugo’s on our highways??

Leftist are so brain dead…..

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:59 am 115. Free Hat:

The Shadow: “In O’Reilly’s case he singled out a specific person, on the other hand you have peole who were against the war, but NEVER singled out any person as being evil. It is the sigmatization of a person as evil that is the problem. “

Exactly. That’s what the nutjobs don’t seem to be able to comprehend. O’Reilly specifically and consistently demonized this one particular guy and broadcast his fantasy about carrying out vigiliante justice on this one particular guy, and then this one particular guyis murdered.

The only compariosn to this would be if Olbermann specifically, consistently demonized one particular pro-life activist he didn’t like, called him a murderer, nazi, etc., openly told his audience about his wish to dish out vigilante justice on this pro-life activist, and then that activist soon winds up getting killed by an enraged Olbermann fan.

Yeah, sounds ridiculous to me too.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:02 pm 116. tanstaafl:

Kathleen Sebelius, Obama’s pick for health & human services and former governor of Kansas, has been a huge and consistent supporter of Dr. Tiller & his Wichita abortion clinic.

Kathleen had a few (minor compared to Daschle & even Geithner) tax issues of her own, but her confirmation was speeded up with the advent of the swine flu panic about a month ago (remember that ?)

It would be interesting to examine any money connection between Dr. Tiller & Sebelius.

I used to visit Dr. Tiller’s website where he celebrated his caring for women (haha) and, I believe but cannot verify, he solicited abortion business far beyond US borders. I used to imagine k-nocked up Saudi princesses, ducking into Wichita for a quickie.

It is hugely ironic that such a medical “practice” was located in the Bible Belt.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:07 pm 117. Free Hat:

AThinkingPerson: “The only person who can be held accountable for Dr. Tiller’s death besides the shooter is Dr. Tiller himself. He sucked out viable babies. He chose that profession. He continued on that path knowing there were loonies out there with bent on violence. Any attempt to lay blame elsewhere is just a LAME attempt to sully someone’s reputation that you don’t agree with.”

You continue to showcase your inpetitude by blaming a victim for his own murder. You are arguing that someone engaging in a lawful profession is to blame for his own death because he knew nutcases who disagree with him wanted to kill him.

By that same argument, loggers are to blame for their own deaths at the hand of environmental extremists. They know full well that eco-terrorists will target them for deforestation, so if they get killed in the process of logging, it’s their own damn fault for being loggers.

Stupid.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:09 pm 118. Ms. Attitude:

108. SteveB/Colorado: The facts are that the man performed over 60,000 late term abortions. Statistically in the United States there is in no way that many women with very high risk pregnancies requiring late term abortons much less in one clinic and in one state.

I am not Catholic and I am a mother of one grown son and one teenage son. I do know about male hormones. I would prefer they didn’t screw every woman that was willing and needless to say the way they were brought up they don’t. Have they had premarital sex, yes. Did I? yes…and I also have a child that is 19 years younger than me. I taught them about birth control and even offered to take their girlfriends to the doctor, of course, they would pay…ya know, pay to play!!! I also have shown my son’s pictures of venereal diseases and explained how they can die. I also explained that some very beautiful women can have diseases so don’t judge a book by it’s cover.

My young daughter is only 5 (she’s another unexpected gift from God, I got “fixed” the day after she was born) but I’ve taught her the value of her body and how wonderful she is. I think a lot of young girls are easy because they have low self esteem. When she’s old enough I will make sure she understands the same things her brothers do.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:12 pm 119. Analytics:

Hi,

I am a frequent reader of your site from Germany. I am a big admirer of the USA and am interest in every thing what has to do with the US. I had plans to move to your country after I finish school… but now I am not sure at all. Call me a freak, but I sense something big. I studied your history, every damnit aspect of it, and well… I can´t help me, but you guys are heading toward a civil war. All factors are there already. If you see the last electoral map, you are afraid as hell, because the last vote showed all frictions geographicly. We have a red mid west, a red south and a blue west and east. If you ask me as an expert on conflicts ( I LOVE history ), the differences between low land and the both coasts are irreperable. I don´t know, but am I the only one who see the signs on the wall.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:17 pm 120. Michael Steele's Brother in Law's Bodyguard:

As usual, misleading bullshit. Your point that all of the quotes occured years ago, is completely misleading. This is from just months ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4w2pECvnE

O’Reilly calls Tiller’s clinic a “death mill” at the end, and his sycophantic assistant accuses Tiller of enabling child rape. The question here is not to control speech. Its instead to highlight that there are people like O’Reilly out there inciting violence. Once that message gets across, its up to his fans to decide what they believe. That’s the only thing happening here–your paens to censorship are truly pathetic.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:24 pm 121. Carl Gordon:

Excuse me, I’ve always had this awkward skin blemish whenever something is said that is so embarrassingly stupid and, at best, half-baked by jagoffs. It hasn’t been an issue before but now that I have an official status, I have to be concerned with public appearances. Some no-sense repug luddy-duddys appear to be tall and handsome, others live in the outskirts of the electrical field for all the reasons you probably know by now. For those who wish to grow tomatoes, a fertile and rich field of compost is provided free of charge – just keep watching/listening and attain a Zen state off non-thinking. Of course, some of these partisan hacks would sup with any demonic presence, sharing a pot of beans with the man behind the GOP plan and listening to whatever ideas surface. There is still a time when the halo shine of a street light shimmers in the muddy waters of a curbside gutter, where most repug “ideas” forment.

Filth is something that some would distinguish one Repug from another. There is also the keen edge of a razor. Then again there is the filthy razors edge that divides them all. Them all? Only a few. But amongst the “best” (meaing most out of touch) of them there is a well oiled machine that ticks out the tempo of wasted existence. A Sartreian existence that extinguishes the flame of porcelain ewers whose portraiture of a fin de sicile wears too much makeup and too little serge. A cosmetic compass directs their energies toward a slick cold Antarctica of pointlessness, smooth as elephant snot or some primary essence that is not unlike the tallow of fatted calves, given some tight hosiery and a push up bra, which they tend to find attractive.

I can barely keep in touch with what you folks call reality. Perhaps I should brush up on “Peter Pan”. The razor-blade banister of relaity awaits your flaccid and pock-marked buns as you reluctantly slide into the present. How else can I say it…..peanut butter is sticky, but butter is slick. Make of it what you will. Such is the question of the cosmos. Something that Carl Sagan would ponder after many a toke on the Betalguze pipe, thoroughly tamped with Brillo Pads and ignatious rocks. But whether youse guys deal out a Tarot hand of deadly Knave’s swords and Medusa mendacity, or divinely seek the wisdom in the tea leaves of your bitter brew; there betwixt the nether naves of ecclesiastical perversity and the blandishments of insurance underwriters; there in a mirror reflection of your true soul we find the uber toad.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:32 pm 122. Sebastian Shaw:

Analytics, please move to America. Despite its current shift for Socialism; this is a temporary respite. The United States is a conservative country. President Obama & the Socialist Democrats are doing enough damage that the Dems will have to wait another 20 years to be back in power. President Obama is Jimmy Carter II.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:33 pm 123. tanstaafl:

We have a red mid west, a red south and a blue west and east.

Lots of the west and east are red as well

but you guys are heading toward a civil war

Time to clean out the dross before this country, as conceived and dedicated, is changed irreparably.

Auf Wiedersehen

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:34 pm 124. The Rat:

Too bad Vivos mom didn’t have an abortion.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:43 pm 125. Chuck Pelto:

TO: tommyd, et al.
RE: The Shallow

I believe it is YOUR intellect that is lacking here — tommyd

Nope.

To have an ‘intellect’ you need to have a brain. Poor Shallow has lost his through the wonders of modern education. [Note: He and a lot of other farking maroons around here who 'argue' like him.]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[It's another multi-idiot pileup on the Cross-Clueville expressway....]

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:53 pm 126. Bohemond:

Carl Gordon:

“I can barely keep in touch with what you folks call reality.”

Plainly you can’t keep up with any form of reality. Put the bong down already, dude.

Jun 2, 2009 - 12:54 pm 127. Delia:

Calling a late term abortion clinic ‘a death mill’ is inciting violence?!

Wow. Just wow.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:01 pm 128. Analytics:

According to the newest polls, 53% of Americans are still loving Obama. And if I see at the map tanstaafl ( BTW, are you german speaking ) this jerk got all of his votes from the main population centers as seen in Florida. There only Miami voted for him, the low land didn´t. In simple terms, you have the low land, they have the cities. What ever you do, do it fast. We need America now more then ever before. The world needs you. And I need this last sane place. Europe is already lost. The last refugium of freedom is still you guys. The mankind needs you, so watch it. Clear the mess. Do it. I don´t want to see bloodshed, and I hope I won´t. Understand?
Free USA! GO YANKEES.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:01 pm 129. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: em & ‘Logic’

just as O’Reilly’s book was read by the killer at the Unitarian Church in Knoxville, who killed ‘because he hated liberals.’

Nice ‘culture of life’ you got there. — em

Heh….

….and all the mass murderers from 9/11 read that book by Muhammod.

And they rest of them, REALLY want to slit your throat if you drop that book on the ground and step on it.

So….

…what’s the score now? In dead bodies?

Stupid Islamists 13,000 [Note: Including the suicide-bombers]. Stupid ‘Christians’ 3?

Can’t wait to see em start preaching to the Islamists. And I have to wonder if he’ll end up on one of the YouTube ’specials’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I’ll wager we’ll see em supporting the Islamists somehwere, sooner or later…..THEN we’ll have him…..

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:03 pm 130. Delia:

At least Doh’Reilly is in good company. Apparently even Ghandi’s great grandson has been accused of ‘inciting’ violence…against’ *cough-sputter* ‘Muslims’:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1165527/Gandhi-arrested-inciting-violence-Muslims.html

Kind of skewing the topic a bit but regarding abortion, where are the father’s rights in all of this? Does a dude who knocks up a ‘ho’ one drunken night get to tell the ‘ho’ he doesn’t want the baby because he can’t afford the child support? Or, what if the man is anti-abortion and wants the child and is willing to pay for it or even adopt it? Where are the men’s rights in all of that hot mess?

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:09 pm 131. tanstaafl:

Maybe some of you diehards can get a question to Scott Roeder as to whether or not he ever watched O’Reilly.

According to his ex-wife, Roeder’s obsession with abortion and Dr. Tiller extends back a long time, he was spouting that kind of stuff in the mid 90’s, long before O’Reilly ever mentioned Tiller.

Next thing you know, you’ll be claiming that guy who shot an abortion “provider” in the south and went on the lam for years in the boonies and was finally caught watched Foxnews, too.

Maybe you could look into Roeder’s (reported) extensive internet postings on the subject and see whether he ever mentions O’Reilly.

Something, besides some wild haired conspiracy thing you guys like to glom onto.

So how many of Tiller’s around 60,000 aborted beings were potential liberals ?

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:11 pm 132. malclave:

O’Reilly killed Tiller just like the Democratic Party, the MSM, and people like vivo killed Long.

If the logic holds for one, it holds for both.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:12 pm 133. tanstaafl:

It’s a good thing that Obama’s 18 year old k-nocked up mommy didn’t decide she didn’t want to be (quoting a recent comment by her son relative to his two young daughters)…punished with a baby

A good thing for Obama, anyway.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:16 pm 134. Analytics:

“Despite its current shift for Socialism; this is a temporary respite. The United States is a conservative country. President Obama & the Socialist Democrats are doing enough damage that the Dems will have to wait another 20 years to be back in power.”

4 long years. In our digital age, it is a century.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:22 pm 135. Dave Surls:

“But there’s no other person who bears as much responsibility for the characterization of Tiller as a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly thanks to the collusion of would-be sophisticated cultural elites, a bought-and-paid-for governor and scofflaw secular journalists.”–Winant

Whatever.

http://lelandquarterly.com/2007/06/08/against-god-and-country/

Anti-war protestors bear no responsibilty for the commie victory in Vietnam, even though many of them went well beyond words and actually engaged in acts of treason and terrorism on behalf of their commie comrades in Vietnam (Jane Fonda and Bill Ayers, for example), but if Bill O’Reilly simply criticizes an abortionist…he’s responsible for the abortionist’s murder by a third party.

Winant is a total hypocrite, as well as a pathological liar…like pretty much all lefties.

So who gives a damn what he says?

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:27 pm 136. C:

O’riley has the right to say what he wants and this left of center type could not care less what he says. His job is too stir the pot. I’m not so concerned about his comments as much as I worry about how some on the right have condoned the killer’s actions. Vigilanty justice makes a fun action movie plot, but I hope that reports I hear in the left leaning media are false. I’ll assume that most right of center folks draw the line at outward violence and will fight this fight in the courts. I think that e emtually we will need to have a serious conversation about when abortion is murder and when abortion is an option to preserve the mental and physical health of a woman. So long as extreme positions have the loudest voice, abortion will always be decisive.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:36 pm 137. Bilgeman:

#116 tanstaafl:
“It is hugely ironic that such a medical “practice” was located in the Bible Belt.”

Ironic, yes…and provocative, too.

Well…at least that appears to have been fixed.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:36 pm 138. Leigh:

Not only did O’Reilly order the death of Tiller. What difference is there between him and the Pennsylvania man who placed a coded ad to assassinate the President? Bill got paid for doing it.

Congratulations, Fox.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:38 pm 139. Ms. Attitude:

Chuck Pelto: The only thing I agree with Islam about is abortion. If Obama succeeds in turning us over to his Islamic leaders then these abortion doctors will be headless. I think us folks on here and in the United States treat the baby murderers rather well in comparison. One guy who is apparently unstable and murders does not share our desire to just have them stop, we want the law to reflect the truth. Abortion is murder. The rights of all humans in this country are life, liberty and persuit of happiness. Therefore; taking an innocent life is unconstitutional no matter the age of the human.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:40 pm 140. Bilgeman:

#105 em:
“I have to say, I’ve seen an amazing amount of celebrating from the white Christian wingnut blogosphere on Tiller’s death.”

How do you know that they’re White?

You don’t…you’re just being a putrid piece of racist sh!t.

Better get your mind right, boy-o.

“Thnanx for showing us your true colors … and, if you want a country run by religion, I might suggest Iran.”

Oh, noooooo, laddie. We like this country juuuust fine.

You on the other hand, would benefit powerfully from a spell in the Islamic Republic of Iran…it would put your mind right about exactly what constitutes a theocracy and what doesn’t.

You’d still be a racist POS, but you wouldn’t sound like such a retard when suggesting that the USA was run by religion.

Of course, after shooting your soup-cooler off over there, you might not be saying anything at all ever again.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:46 pm 141. Ms. Attitude:

117. Free Hat: If there were only three loggers cutting down trees. If it were proven that those trees were humans. If there was a strong opposition to thier logging activities by a large amount of Americans and they continued to log. Then, yes, they would be asking for trouble.

And if IF’s were dollars you’d be rich.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:47 pm 142. Doctor T:

No, Bill O’Reilly did not kill Tiller.

Yes, the Liberals are killing America.
Yes, the liberals are hate mongers and make it debatable if there is going to be any way to avoid the outright downfall of America.
Yes, there is an ongoing Civil War in America. It is a currently civil, non-violent war, but it would not take much to inflame it.

The “Inflation” hand-grenade has been thrown.
The “Stimulus Bill” and “Budget” and “Bailout” missiles have been launched.
America’s future has been sold to the Democratic supporters in an attempt
to solidify future support and control of the government for the
Democratic Party. Though what may be left may be much to brag
about.

Watching Obama and Pellossi and many of the far left Democratic administration officials and Congressmen are beginning to remind me of the characters in the movie Constantine.

Jun 2, 2009 - 1:52 pm 143. tanstaafl:

In simple terms, you have the low land, they have the cities.

Pretty much true, Analytics, although we might say “rural” or smaller population centers as opposed to low land.

If you’ve heard of ACORN, it targeted its pro-Obama activities in those big (blue) population centers. In my state (New Mexico), ACORN was very (very !) active in Albuquerque & Santa Fe, and, looking at that map and given numbers of people in urban centers, it didn’t matter how the rest of the state voted.

Even given that, overall, around 48% of voters last November did not vote for Obama, although John McCain was an uncomfortable choice in many ways, it was the only choice those voters had.

Nice meeting you and, no, I don’t speak German

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:02 pm 144. Lily:

Ok, let me get this straight. Any 14 year-old girl who got a late term abortion from Dr. Tiller was acting on her own, consulting with her doctor and making a difficult, but in her case wise decision and not coerced in anyway. And the idea that anyone would question the legality of the process or question the maturity of such girl to make such an important life changing decision is an incitement to murder. However, the grown man who shot Dr. Tiller was incapable of coming up with the idea on his own and needed help from a T.V. news personality?

Do I have this right?

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:03 pm 145. Free Hat:

127. Delia: “Calling a late term abortion clinic ‘a death mill’ is inciting violence?!”

No, but consistently attacking a private citizen for carrying out a legal procedure, with such words as “nazi” and “monster” and “baby killer”, and even going so far as to fantasizing on air about dishing out vigilante justice to this citizen, is inciting violence.

If I went on TV and told my millions of viewers that you were a nazi who had to be stopped, and then wished aloud to my audeince about how badly I wanted to do you harm, wouldn’t you be worried for your safety? I would think so.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:04 pm 146. Metz:

I’m trying hard to understand the left’s logic here. So, if someone of influence, say the President, calls out individuals (Rush Limbaugh), and groups (”teabaggers”) as being the impediment to achieving bipartisanship *cough* which will ultimately solve all the crisis we are currently facing, and some nutjob feels that it is his/her “patriotic” duty to remove such impediments, is that person of influence culpable as well?

I’m curious to know the difference.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:06 pm 147. Ms. Attitude:

138. Leigh: I heard a song a long time ago by the Boomtown Rats. It was about not liking Mondays and then going into a school yard and well, you know the rest. I’ve never liked Mondays and the song didn’t make me do the unthinkable.

Blaming O’Reilly for the murder of this baby killer is crazy. Please get back on your medication.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:13 pm 148. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

Oh, lord. Another black helicopter just flew over the cuckoo’s nest (138). Now we have coded hit ads. Can I get one of those decoder rings? I’ll bet they’re really cool.

Or maybe you play records backwards to listen to the coded voices in your head…

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:14 pm 149. Delia:

145. Free Hat,

Does that mean Wanda Sykes should be charged with ‘inciting violence’ for hoping Rush L’s kidneys fail in a very public medium as the ‘prezzy-dent-head of the United States guffawed” or am I missing the huge picture here?

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:26 pm 150. Delia:

BTW, Bill Ayers has been [rightfully] called everything from a ‘murderer’ to a ‘terrorist’ and has authored a new book with his co-cretin wife. Shouldn’t that asshat be bombed to death by now by this logic?

How come someone like Ayers is still walkin’ on sunshine and free as a bird?

Please ’splain this to me!

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:32 pm 151. momof3:

Here’s what I don’t get about late-term abortions: these kids are viable. To abort them, the mom has to deliver them. Why not just actually deliver them, and give them up? Why kill them? of course, I am against any abortion, and do think jail time for mama is a good idea.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:35 pm 152. seven:

I blame DHS Homeland Security. They mentioned something about raids of certain extremist groups so there was very little time to act.

Actually, no one has spoken with the killer and reported if he has ever even watched O’reilly. I have never seen him on tv.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:38 pm 153. AThinkingPerson:

Re #117 Free Hat: Using your judgement, prostitution is A-OK because it’s legal on the Chicken Ranch in NV. Using your judgement, it was A-OK to make blacks ride in the back of the bus once upon a time BECAUSE IT WAS LEGAL. Using your judgement, it was A-OK to not let women vote because it WAS LEGAL AT ONE TIME. Just because the Dr. was doing something the law says is legal DOESN’T MAKE IT RIGHT. I know, I know, on your planet, sucking out near full-term babies is alright because it’s the “mother’s choice”. I never said I wished him to be murdered, nor did I excuse his murderer. I was pointing out, and rightly so I might add, that his death was avoidable. Bad choices all around.

Put that in your liberal pipe and smoke it.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:39 pm 154. momof3:

Oh yes, and the irony of that man being an usher in church is too thick to take. What sort of church would allow him as a member?

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:40 pm 155. elvis:

I’m still looking for FREE HAT. He is inciting violence in me.He doesn’t know when to shut up. He should not be expressing his views here. He will be aborted (I know it’s a partial birth one) when I find him.

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:53 pm 156. Self-hating Boomer:

Seven brings up an interesting point: will a new Fed memo come out fingering anyone who watches The Factor as a likely terrorist to be watched?

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:54 pm 157. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

What sort of church would allow him as a member?

Resisting paraphrase of Groucho Marx joke…

Jun 2, 2009 - 2:55 pm 158. BettyBlue:

And who is the left going to blame for the murder of Pvt. William Long?

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:05 pm 159. MiamaMan:

1. vivo:

“Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?”

Yes

Man, you need therapy asap.

2. Marie Claude:

Z’oreilly isn’t a saint, he likes to phone his ready-made slogans to a converted audience, but he rather hides behind his profession when asking to assume what he jackasses..

Please keep it to France, baby, your rambling is a little fuzzy…Vous préférez dans l’avant ou à l’arrière?

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:14 pm 160. Meryl:

Somehow I don’t think we should hold our breath waiting for the lefties to even acknowledge the death of the one recruiter and the gunning down of the other.

They are what they appear to be. Vile. Self-serving. Easily deceived. Unwilling to soil their hands to defend America, but perfectly willing to pick up rocks and throw them wherever Totus Potus says to throw them.

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:19 pm 161. Ms. Attitude:

154. momof3: I agree. If I knew a baby killer went to my church I’d be very angry. And an usher…as I said earlier, the preacher should rethink his sermons. Did he ever preach about murder?

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:20 pm 162. Sonny:

What is really pathetic is that the far-left created abortion “rights” out of thin air. There is no constitutional rights for abortion that can come close to being found. The legality of abortion is still rightfully being debated today. It was a bad decision then, and it is a bad decision today.

Now, an abortion doctor is killed because of the rights that were given to him to preform those operatioins. Tiller exploited the legal opinion for his own benefit and the unintended consequences of that bad decision cost him his life.

The abortionists have nobody to blame but themselves. They wanted abortion. They got it. Now, they are up in arms because a death occured to “one of their own.”

Why don’t you whiners live up to your responsiblities? You got what you wanted. Aren’t you happy that thousands of babies were aborted over the past 40 years? So, a mentally deranged individual with a grudge shot your “hero”. When you go to war against humans, you better expect so sort of reprocussions.

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:26 pm 163. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Lily
RE: Heh

….but in her case wise decision and not coerced in anyway. — Lily

I look forward to your explaining that to Him.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Better practice your ‘tap dancing’ skills…..

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:34 pm 164. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. I have SERIOUS doubts He holds the same view on the beginning of a human life as our friends on the SCOTUS do. After all, the SCOTUS gave US the idea that Blacks are not REALLY human beings, see Dred Scott Decision…..

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:35 pm 165. Chuck Pelto:

TO: momof3
RE: Indeed

What sort of church would allow him as a member? — momof3

They call themselves the ‘Reformed’ Lutheran Church.

Thinking upon the name, I’m reminded that ‘Reformed’ can mean a LOT of different thinks. Some of them VERY ‘bad’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits. -- Mark Twain]

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:38 pm 166. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. It is my considered opinion that in the case of murdering innocent babies, THESE people are INDEED in need of ‘reform’….

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:39 pm 167. Well Educated Cad:

Has anyone in Reverand Wright’s church killed anyone after listening to his hate filled sermons ?
If so, lock up Jerimiah Wright!!!

Jun 2, 2009 - 3:56 pm 168. Lily:

Chuckle.

Sorry I didn’t include a sarc tag. I should have known I would need one.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:01 pm 169. mayanpiper:

60,000 unborn children some nine months old……….60,000 children……., 60,000 lives……….I will pray for the soul of Tiller

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:05 pm 170. Larry:

The Left says O’Reilly is guilty of murder for criticizing Tiller if someone else actually kills Tiller. Perhaps Hate Crime legislation is in order to stop such expressions of free speech! It is not easy making a perfect world, you know. Ask the 100 million killed in the name of Marx!

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:13 pm 171. sheesh:

Problem around here is that some people think the way to fix things is to kill somebody. (Careful. Caaaarefuuuul.)

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:15 pm 172. gcblues:

late term abortions. unreported abortions on little girls under 14. the old west had a term for this. the man deserved killing. now saying that is not advocacy. it is not a recommendation. it is not an incitement. it is a fact. it is a hope. it is a nod and a “right on”, good riddance. if the local AG had done his job, he would be alive and jailed where he belonged. i am an atheist. i do not need a phony bible to make it clear that this man was guilty of crimes against humanity. frankly, i think most doctors would agree with that and never commit such atrocities. it is difficult to see how being relieved that a mass murderer is gone is anything but righteous.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:16 pm 173. malclave:

#145
“No, but consistently attacking a private citizen for carrying out a legal procedure, with such words as “nazi” and “monster” and “baby killer”, and even going so far as to fantasizing on air about dishing out vigilante justice to this citizen, is inciting violence.”

So, you’re saying that people involved in the anti-war movement are collectively responsible for murdering Long?

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:24 pm 174. steveg:

This is more an attack on Fox News than O’Reilly. It has to drive the totalitarian left crazy that there is actually a national news network that is not pro-abortion.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:28 pm 175. Dave Surls:

“So how many of Tiller’s around 60,000 aborted beings were potential liberals ?”

First time I ever saw a good argument for legalized abortion.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:36 pm 176. myth buster:

Obama likes to talk about reducing the need for abortion. I say, let’s reduce the need for vigilantes. Anyone who objects to reducing the number of abortion clinics to reduce the need for vigilantes to kill abortionists must admit to committing the same begging the question fallacy that I just did, namely, that there is such a thing as a “need” for abortion.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:39 pm 177. AtheistConservative:

This is the liberal mentality:

Anything said by a Conservative is hate speech and an incitement to violence.

Anything said by a liberal, including actual hateful speech and incitement to violence, is just ‘free speech’.

Any Conservative-oriented entertainment is ‘brainwashing’ and ‘fearmongering’.

Any liberal-oriented entertainment is ‘harmless’ and just fine for your six-year-old to watch. I mean, how could playing all those violent video games possibly harm someone? But hearing the word ‘God’ could scar them for life!

And on and on.

Jun 2, 2009 - 4:45 pm 178. Warren Bonesteel:

Both sides of the ideological ‘aisle’ continue to invoke the government in order to control the lives and behaviors of the other…then both sides bewail the the loss of their personal freedoms.

The irony is that neither of them understand the impetus behind those losses of freedoms. Like children, they blame everyone else for the consequences of their own decisions…but unlike adults, they never look in the mirror or accept responsibility for the consequences of their own decisions or their own words or deeds.

…and all the while, they continue to invoke growth in government and then enact additional laws and rules and regulations which limit the freedoms of all.

“There oughta be a law!”

“The government oughta do something!”

Both sides say this, in one form or another, on a daily, even an hourly basis.

When, as often as not, the only affront has been to their own personal sensibilities, ideologies and beliefs.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:26 pm 179. avoidswork:

Did BillO kill Tiller?

Uh, no. But you batsh*tters have, like, one channel to watch: FNC. And on that channel, many a time, BillO spewed hate speech about Tiller. Then in Pennsylvania, a lovely chap named Poplawski who echoed sentiments such as those you write about here as well as those talked about by Glenn Beck (the czar of the crazies) goes out and shoots a few cops. Oh, then that man in Tennessee who echoed things by Bernie Goldberg, did a nice little shoot out in a church. In his possessions: a BillO book.

Hippie dirt tree huggers who are vegan and drive hybrid cars (and, for those in the know, smell their own f*rts) DO NOT go on these murderous rampages in the proportion the right wing extremists do. Makes that DHS report on right-wing extremism not crazy now, doesn’t it. To be fair, the left-wing report does attribute levels of violence for the animal rights activists. But the history of the right-wing pro-lifers can be tragic in this nation.

A man was gunned down for doing his job. A job, btw, that was LEGAL. For some women, he was a hero and someone who offered them salvation in the face of worse, worser and worst scenarios. He had been shot before and still continued to operate his facility and perform services for women in need. And since you nor I are privvy to the medical records of his patients, we cannot presume to assume that many of his patients got “bored” and decided to just not have the baby.

Some facts about Tiller: He was ACQUITTED. He was a Christian. He facilitated adoptions. He did refuse to perform certain abortions on some women.

There appears to be a lot of men on this board posting about abortion and the like. My philosophy: you don’t have a uterus? STFU. You are incapable of walking in the shoes of a woman put in a situation where a choice to have a late term abortion is on the table. Yes, life is precious. As is the life and health of the woman with the uterus with the growing fetus inside.

Get off your moral high horse and start helping the babies who are already alive and breathing. Support adoption by gay couples. Move to change laws so that adoption is easier and less expensive. Support free/subsidized child care. Etc.

And stop the hate rhetoric over the very few Dr. Tillers of the world. He was a man, a human being and a child of God. And he was killed for something he believed in. Believed in enough to risk his life to do what he did.

OT: The Army recruiters were gunned down by a fanatical Muslim convert. Ironic, isn’t it? A religious fanatic gunning someone down. Sounds like a right-wing extremist to me. Guess he’s technically one of YOURS.

Jun 2, 2009 - 5:27 pm 180. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Lily
RE: Heh

Sorry I didn’t include a sarc tag. I should have known I would need one. — Lily

I’m the perfect ’straight man’….

….in more ways than one.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Sarcasm does not look pretty on a tombstone.]

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:13 pm 181. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: An Additional….

Anyone who objects to reducing the number of abortion clinics to reduce the need for vigilantes to kill abortionists must admit to committing the same begging the question fallacy that I just did, namely, that there is such a thing as a “need” for abortion. — myth buster

….heap plowing into the idiot-collision on the cross-clueville express way.

I wonder if HE can peddle this tripe to the Islamists any better than em could.

The question becomes, who will have their ’special’ on YouTube first?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Anti-Western Islamists 13,000. Stupid 'christians' 3. Abortionists 23,000,000. Mass Murderer Tiller 60,000.]

P.S. Interesting stats those……

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:17 pm 182. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. Oh….Yeah….

….I forgot to point out that myth buster supports baby-killers.

Very interesting, as during the course of my career in the Army I was frequently called one. Although, for the life of me, God saw fit to keep me away from places where shots were fired in anger.

Not that I didn’t get ’shelled’, ‘bombed’ and ’shot at’ anyway. But that was all in ‘fun and jest’…..

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:20 pm 183. Ms. Attitude:

179. avoidswork: Your side protects Islam. Remember you voted for one to be President. It’s easy for people to claim being a Christian. Don’t take everyone at their word. True Christians follow the ten commandments and the teachings of Christ. I don’t judge and I pray that he begged God for forgiveness with his last breath.

BTW: Your black panthers seem like a nice bunch. NOT!

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:38 pm 184. fear Obama:

It never ceases to amaze me how many of these so called liberal family planning abortion nurses and doctors believe in killing partially born children.

But if you mention killing a baby seal,
baby whale, or OMG don’t let the baby polar bears die running out of ice due to global warming.

Hypocrites!

I agree-
should have gotten rid of him years ago.

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:44 pm 185. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Got This!

And on that channel, many a time, BillO spewed hate speech about Tiller. — avoidswork

The new ‘hate crimes’ bill is going to target anyone who thinks killing babies is ‘wrong’. That would probably include any REAL christians.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There's a storm coming. -- Sarah Connor, Terminator]

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:45 pm 186. tanstaafl:

I know, Dave #175, it’s real tempting to go there.

Something I learned tonight on the dreaded foxnews…Tiller was one of only 3 late term “providers” in the country.

As the dreaded O’Reilly was chatting with the smirking Patricia Ireland of NOW, Ireland was expostulating on the various reasons for late term abortion. It came through (without being explicitly stated) that some women past 21 weeks who choose abortion over carrying through with an eye to adoption do so in the spirit of…”if I don’t want my child, no other family will have him/her either”

It hadn’t occurred to me before…the selfishness that must have driven some of the women who went to Tiller for late term “services”

Check off the correct box, describing George Tiller…

1. a caring, concerned individual offering hard to obtain “services” to women in need;

2. a crummy physician who found a niche and became a millionaire doing procedures for $ that barely required plumbing skills (no offense to plumbers)

“And he was killed for something he believed in” (avoidswork)

geez, all you people who pretentiously purport to channel George Tiller

Jun 2, 2009 - 6:54 pm 187. myth buster:

I will reach into my own pocket to pay for the health care of pregnant women and their babies. I don’t want the government paying for it because every time the government wants to “help,” it only ends up poisoning the well.

And Chuck, I’m confused by your post. I was trying to argue that people who call baby killing necessary are being absurd. I can’t see how you would think I support it.

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:32 pm 188. bobbcat:

162. Sonny:”Why don’t you whiners live up to your responsiblities? You got what you wanted. Aren’t you happy that thousands of babies were aborted over the past 40 years? So, a mentally deranged individual with a grudge shot your “hero”. When you go to war against humans, you better expect so sort of reprocussions.”

Is that what you think it’s all about? What about the theory that a nutcase out on the loose got away with something he should not have?

With regard to the elective abortion issue, there is something I’d like for you to think through very carefully: Bearing in mind the nature of our society being what it is and has been for as long as we all can remember (’it’s a man’s world), what do you suppose would be our society’s approach to the issue of elective abortion if it were the men, not the women, who were the ones who got pregnant?

I obviously don’t know what your answer would be, but a comment in response to an article I saw today said the following: “IF men got pregnant, abortion kits would be sold in your local 7-11 next to the Ho-Hos.”

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:35 pm 189. rbell:

The left always likes to smear someone whenever they have the chance. Mr O’Rielly is a farvorite target because he gets big ratings while Kieth Oberman draws horseflies, because that is what his program is nothing but a fowl stench.

So Mr Tiller was shot in church. What an outraged. What kind of a church would allow this foul demon into their building? It shows you what has become of Christianity in this country – a meaningless, vacuous religion. I am sure Luther would love his name associated with this person.

What happened to mister Tiller was outside the law but not outside of justice. No one is crying for his 60,000 victims. Yet somehow we have sympathy for this man. Incredible!!!

Jun 2, 2009 - 7:51 pm 190. Dave Surls:

“OT: The Army recruiters were gunned down by a fanatical Muslim convert. Ironic, isn’t it? A religious fanatic gunning someone down. Sounds like a right-wing extremist to me. Guess he’s technically one of YOURS.”

Like the saying goes…liberalism is a mental illness.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:02 pm 191. JackH:

So who is our pro-life John Brown? I’m still rooting for Erich Rudolf.

Whoever, he needs to give a speech from the gallows, followed by the abortionists firing on… what? Something, or we cant have our civil war culminating in the burning of abortion land to the ground

The Slave owners were just as over-reaching as the abortion lobby. And the Democratic party championed them both.

Hopefully by the time the new civil war is over it will be the End time, the anti-Christ will have dominion over the earth and Satan wont need the Democratic party anymore.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:49 pm 192. Class Clown:

But he hated me first!

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:52 pm 193. seven:

O’lbermann is upset for sure. He bought Dale carnegies book How to win friends and influence people. He can’t do either.

He sure devotes a lot of energy giving Bill O’Reilly credit for influencing people.

It really is a stretch. We have no idea if the killer has ever heard of o’reilly.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:55 pm 194. em:

I can’t believe there are still people out there dumb enough to believe people like O’Reilly, Cheney, Limbaugh, and the like. It speaks of the true lack of awareness and gullibility of Americans, not to mention the waning intellectual aptitude of Americans. Older southern white Christians tend to be the most backward and ignorant, sorry to say.

Jun 2, 2009 - 8:59 pm 195. vivo:

Well, I guess I wasn’t paying attention to the question. What I meant was that O’Really helped to the killing of Tiller by disturbing the mind of a fanatic. I know O’R didn’t kill the doctor himself. But what amazes me is the forgiveness and justification of this act by this group. And how just using one word (Yes) stirred up your basest emotions and would turn you all into criminals. Think about it.

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:06 pm 196. Berlet98:

Postscript for Dr. Tiller

Those, like me, who wanted to get a look at the website of Dr. George Tiller after his murder Sunday morning in Wichita discovered that the website had been taken down, within 24 hours of his death. Thanks to the efforts of pro-life activist Randall Terry and others, that website was somehow “recovered:” http://web.archive.org/web/20080118044720/www.drtiller.com/mainpg.html.
Since then, the site, http://www.drtiller.com/ , has become accessible on the web although with inactive links.

Below is a portion of the home page which includes active links to his “Women’s Health Care Services, P.A.”

“Women’s Health Care Services is a professional organization dedicated to providing expert, confidential, and respectful abortion care. We have a national and international reputation for providing the highest quality abortion services in a safe and caring environment. Kindness, courtesy, justice, love and respect are the cornerstones of our patient-provider relationships. “We have an unparalleled record of safey in late abortion services and we have more experience in late abortion services over 24 weeks than anyone else currently practicing in the Western Hemisphere, Europe and Australia.”

Why the site was initially unavailable is a matter of some conjecture; Terry suggests the reason was to conceal the details of what actually went on at Tiller’s “clinic:” http://overturnroe.com/.

However, the various links are as misleading as the facility’s name, “Women’s Health Care Services.” It’s difficult to understand how Tiller’s abortion mill, primarily dedicated to extinguishing the lives of very viable babies, i.e., infants fully capable of living outside the mother’s womb, could have been construed as providing any measure of “health care” to the mothers-to-be. It was also demonstrably unconcerned with the health of the babies killed on the premises.

Similarly, the links on Tiller’s website were clearly intended to cloak the gory specifics of his facility. The words of a Tiller victim,”Kelly,” put the lie to his website subterfuges:. . .
(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)

Jun 2, 2009 - 9:40 pm 197. tovarish:

Chris Mathews killed the Arkansas soldier.

Jun 2, 2009 - 10:46 pm 198. Linda Mae:

This has been a text book example of using Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Blame O’Reilly for his “honesty”. Create the crisis even if you need to lie and distort the truth. He has to be guilty because some one said he was. What sheep we have become.

It is also amazing that few have mentioned Obama’s influence in this unfortunate situation. He voted for the law that allowed late term abortion and denied the chance of a fetus which was viable to receive medical help which might save his life. NO ONE has called him to task for making what Tiller did legal under the law. He is just as guilty if you want to throw guilt around. I think abortion is a medical procedure between a patient and doctor. As Obama has said, we may not agree but we must respect one another’s opinions. He had the nerve to say this in front of an audience whose relegion is against abortion. And received adulation.

Tiller’s first allegiance was to his patient and to his profession and oath to protect that patient.

Tiller did what he did for his patient – a woman in need of a late term abortion. I imagine they had to search their consciences in order to go ahead. I don’t know what I’d do if it came down to my life or the child I had been carrying for so long. It would not be an easy decision. How dare anyone make it for me.

If you are upset, then write a letter to Obama telling him you oppose abortion. You should have looked more closely at Palin’s record to see how the media smeared her.

Jun 2, 2009 - 11:04 pm 199. ked5:

130: Delia

Where are the men’s rights in all of that hot mess?

~~~~~

They got no right’s. Part of me isn’t quite sympathetic to the idiots who sleep with a woman (who is too cheap to go to a fertility clinic to be artificially inseminated) they don’t like enough to want to spend their life with, and knock her up, then be upset they have to fork over cash. (hmm, sounds like a john to me.)

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:22 am 200. ked5:

153. AThinkingPerson:

Re #117 Free Hat: Using your judgement, prostitution is A-OK because it’s legal on the Chicken Ranch in NV.

~~~~

What’s really scary about gov’t taking over businesses – they took over the ranch, and had to close it becasue they couldn’t make a profit.

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:27 am 201. Chuck Pelto:

TO: myth buster
RE: Don’t Be Obtuse

I was trying to argue that people who call baby killing necessary are being absurd. I can’t see how you would think I support it. — myth buster

If you aren’t against it, you support it, as you ‘countenance’ it.

Or are you the sort of person who would stand by and watch a murder take place? Are you a re-incarnate from someone who lived in the village by Treblinka? And didn’t say anything?

Hope that helps….but I have SERIOUS doubts….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....]

Jun 3, 2009 - 1:14 am 202. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Dave Surls, et al.
RE: Indeed

Like the saying goes…liberalism is a mental illness. — Dave Surls

Too bad they couldn’t get THAT into the latest DSM-V.

Maybe next edition, a decade from now. After it has been fully proven that the rank hypocrisy IS an indication of mental illness.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes 'good taste'.]

Jun 3, 2009 - 1:17 am 203. Chuck Pelto:

TO: em
RE: Here’s a ‘Clue’

I can’t believe there are still people out there dumb enough to believe people like O’Reilly, Cheney, Limbaugh, and the like. — em

Facts have a way of manifesting themselves in intelligent peoples’ minds as being more important in decision making than prejudice or lies.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Don't confuse em with facts, their mind is already made up!]

Jun 3, 2009 - 1:22 am 204. Chuck Pelto:

TO: ked5, et al.
RE: [OT] Wanna See Something REALLY ‘Scarey’?

What’s really scary about gov’t taking over businesses – they took over the [infamous Chicken] ranch, and had to close it becasue they couldn’t make a profit. — ked5

Now the government is planning on taking over health care.

And, I’ll wager dollars against donuts that it will ‘close’ down SOMETHING in that ‘business’ in order to make IT less ‘costly’. Three guesses…..first two don’t count…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Soylent green is (old) PEOPLE!]

Jun 3, 2009 - 1:34 am 205. Scott M:

Bill O’Reilly is the Ted Baxter of Fox News, and they have Geraldo so that’s some achievement. I’ve never found a reason why anyone should watch O’Reilly, he’s late on most issues, seldom adds anything but practiced outrage to a story. You can know more about any subject by reading the big name conservative blogs in about half the time it takes to watch one O’Reilly rantcast.

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:08 am 206. MiamaMan:

[195. vivo: Well, I guess I wasn’t paying attention to the question. What I meant was that O’Really helped to the killing of Tiller by disturbing the mind of a fanatic. I know O’R didn’t kill the doctor himself. But what amazes me is the forgiveness and justification of this act by this group. And how just using one word (Yes) stirred up your basest emotions and would turn you all into criminals. Think about it.]

Descarao, terrorista, caraetable!

Good about face Kamarad.

Jun 3, 2009 - 4:23 am 207. Chuck Pelto:

TO: myth buster
RE: Oops!

I was trying to argue that people who call baby killing necessary are being absurd. I can’t see how you would think I support it. — myth buster

My error. My apology.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Seeing my error, with eye-opening coffee, I shall type again. -- Haiku error message]

Jun 3, 2009 - 6:16 am 208. BettyBlue:

Vivo, any, and everything, can upset the mind of a fanatic. The only way to avoid that would be for the whole of society to remain completely mute, and never express an opinion, or even crack a joke, or say anything at all.

And that would probably set said fanatic off more than anything. So, maybe we should all just hide in caves, never coming out, in order to avoid provoking the mentally unstable amongst us?

Tiller was a well-known figure. Fox News wasn’t the only media outlet that ever mentioned him. Guy had his own website.

Jun 3, 2009 - 6:44 am 209. BettyBlue:

Meanwhile, who cares about William Long’s murder?

Jun 3, 2009 - 6:45 am 210. newton:

So, FreeHat,

when are you going to call Janet Napolitano for the rounding up and packing us inside freight trains to “re-education” camps? After all, if we’re all the bane of your existence, something has to be done… right?

I showed the sonogram picture of my daughter to her big sister during my second trimester. My then 20-month-old immediately called her “My sister!” So, she and I know by instinct that there was a precious life inside of me (Little sister is now 4 months old). In other words, we would both call abortion the elimination of a human life.

I guess that makes my two-year-old daughter and I guilty of that butcher’s murder, too.

Jun 3, 2009 - 7:22 am 211. Chuck Pelto:

TO: BettyBlue
RE: Certainly….

Meanwhile, who cares about William Long’s murder? — BettyBlue

….I do.

But, I’ll wager dollars against donuts that the likes of vivo, David S and any number of other rank hypocrites don’t give a d—.

If they DID, they’d be hollering at Daily Kos. And I wonder if they can point to and prove such posts decrying Marcus as being on a par with O’Reilly over there.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and hypocrites are gonna 'pay'....dearly.....]

Jun 3, 2009 - 7:41 am 212. Chuck Pelto:

TO: newton, et al.
RE: Heh

I showed the sonogram picture of my daughter to her big sister during my second trimester. My then 20-month-old immediately called her “My sister!” So, she and I know by instinct that there was a precious life inside of me — newton

What was it that was Written?

Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. — Psalms

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The fear of the Lord is the beginning wisdom. -- Proverbs]

Jun 3, 2009 - 7:45 am 213. Ms. Attitude:

210. newton: Congrats on the new baby…your post made me smile. They grow up too fast, giggles, snotty noses, wet shoe laces and spaghetti stained everything are the joys of little ones. My all time favorite is just watching them!!! And a GREAT joy they are!! Indeed.

My 23 year old is coming to see me and his 5 year old sister this weekend. I miss him, he grew up and moved away. My youngest son (my planned baby) is working and I won’t get to see him. So, this weekend I will have with me the two children that society told me to get rid of…my oldest, when I was a teenager, and my youngest, when I was almost 40 and going through a divorce(it was time for MY freedom)!!! Thank God I have them, just the thought of them brings tears of joy!!!

Jun 3, 2009 - 7:47 am 214. newton:

“185. Chuck Pelto:

The new ‘hate crimes’ bill is going to target anyone who thinks killing babies is ‘wrong’. That would probably include any REAL christians.”

Which means that our prisons won’t be able to fit us in. DHS will have to make “extraordinary measures” to make sure we are no longer a “danger to society.” We’re talking millions of us here.

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:10 am 215. Pat J:

This chiropractor who wrote this piece is like O’Reilly shifting th blame to someone else. I’ve never heard of this Winnart person. Sounds like Ms. Cloutheir has some sort of personal problem with the guy .

Billo and his “Tiller the Baby Killer” rhetoric may not have pulled the trigger, but it certainly inspired the murderer as it would any other wacko.

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:21 am 216. Bilgeman:

#189 rbell:
“What happened to mister Tiller was outside the law but not outside of justice.”

Perfectly put, sir. Captures the essence in a nutshell.

I’d return a verdict of “Refuse to Convict”.

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:25 am 217. Ms. Attitude:

215. Pat J: And listening to people who claim that murdering a baby is ok inspires many to kill their babies.

Here’s a question? A young girl goes to Dr. Tiller and has a late term abortion, say, 25 weeks. And another young girl gives birth, say, to a 25 week baby, in the bathroom at her school and leaves the baby in the trash can. Under current law and the argument of the left, why is the girl in the bathroom charged with murder and the abortion not?

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:31 am 218. Chuck Pelto:

TO: newton
RE: Yes….

Which means that our prisons won’t be able to fit us in. DHS will have to make “extraordinary measures” to make sure we are no longer a “danger to society.” We’re talking millions of us here. — newton

….they will. And there are.

Ayers, Obama’s political science mentor from the 70s and 80s, suggested that the number is 25 million will have to be ‘re-educated’.

He’s looking for locations in the American Southwest, as of official reports.

Here’s the ‘killer’ paragraph….

Undercover agent [1] Larry Grathwohl discusses the Weather Underground’s post-revolution governing plans for the United States on a YouTube video. The video is taken from the 1982 documentary “No Place to Hide”. The Weathermen’s plans included putting parts of United States under the administration of Cuba, North Vietnam, China and Russia and re-educating the uncooperative in camps in located in the Southwest. Since there would be holdouts, plans were made for liquidating the estimated 25 million unreconstructable die-hards. — PJM Article

Now that the One is ‘in position’, Congress is controlled by the sort of people that would do such a thing and the newly released DSM-V says that ‘pathological bias’, e.g., a firm belief in God, i.e., which cannot be proven, is an indication of ‘mental illness’ and the Supremes are about to be suborned….

….guess what.

Three guesses…..First two don’t count…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Don't you love it when a 'Plan' comes together?]

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:46 am 219. The Shadow:

It is amazing how much time good old Chukie has on his hands to spew out his rants. You have to wonder if a good psychiatrist would take him as a case study of paranoia.

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:47 am 220. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. By the way….

….the legal precedent was established with the internment of the Nisei.

Not for ethnic rationale, but as a threat to national security.

Jun 3, 2009 - 8:56 am 221. Chuck Pelto:

TO: The Shallow
RE: [OT] Heh

It is amazing how much time good old Chukie has on his hands to spew out his rants. — The Shallow

I work for myself and I take breaks between writing computer code to clear the mental sluices of the flotsam and jetsam of extraneous bits and pieces of computer code….

….by dabbling in philosophy and education.

What’s YOUR excuse?

Besides being a mental midget looking for some form, even ‘negative’, of recognition that you actually ‘exist’?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[For some people the only way they can recognize they are actually 'alive' is to be 'beaten'.]

P.S. It’s called ‘masochism’….

Jun 3, 2009 - 9:02 am 222. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. Right now, I’m waiting for a delivery of some electronics to move forward a project I’m working on. It should be arriving in the next few hours.

Jun 3, 2009 - 9:04 am 223. deguello:

Another attempt by the Stalinists to chill free speech.If O’reilly’s comments,DID encourage someone to eliminate this child murderer,he should feel very proud:He helped rid the world of a post- modern Dr. Mengele.

Jun 3, 2009 - 9:27 am 224. deguello:

#1VIVO:DOES VIVO SUPPORT INFANTICIDE? YES YES YES YES ! DOES WANT TO SUPPRESS FREE SPEECH? YES YES YES YES ! IS VIVO A STALINIST? YES YES YES YES!

Jun 3, 2009 - 9:31 am 225. Ms. Attitude:

Chuckles, don’t explain yourself to these guys. Their opinion about those of us that truly love America is already set in stone. It will be easier for them to turn on us once Obama reveals that we are a Muslim nation.

Jun 3, 2009 - 9:35 am 226. Pat J:

@217. Ms. Attitude:

215. Pat J: And listening to people who claim that murdering a baby is ok inspires many to kill their babies.

Jun 3, 2009 - 11:04 am 227. Anonymous:

it’s all this free publicity just playing into the MEGLOMANIA mindset of o’reilly. Heard him SHOUTING down someone the other, “Hey, I’m a Powerful Guy.” Sorry bill, but rush is still the spokesperson for the Republican’s. Try as you may to be louder and more hateful.
Words are powerful, especially words that incite anger and violence, they draw the weak minded. And, he knows it! Power and Money what an aphrodisiac for your kind. So go hide behind your crucifix billo’ another symbol of violence and be Righeous. Of all the media bullies you are without a doubt the MOST insecure and pathetic, in my opinion.

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:05 pm 228. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ms. Attitude
RE: Heh

It will be easier for them to turn on us once Obama reveals that we are a Muslim nation. — Ms. Attitude

On the one hand, that could well be true.

On the other hand, they lack (1) the training and (2) the proper ‘attitude’ to be very effective at turning on anyone. Especially people trained as I am.

On the third hand…..heh….heh….heh….heh….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The enemy does not have army enough to beat US. -- General Grant]

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:11 pm 229. Terri:

deguello,

I am not a profiler but, words like;

encourage murder, feel very proud, help rid the world

should be checked into by someone of authority.

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:13 pm 230. Ms. Attitude:

226. Pat J: Because the second mother actually gave birth and left the helpless child (not fetus) to die.

Serious? Twisting a baby around to make it a breach delivery and pulling the baby out of the mother leaving just his/her head in the birth canal and stabbing a pair of scissors into the babies neck and opening and closing them enough times to make a hole large enough to put a suction tube in and suck out the babies brain is not hurting a helpless baby?

How is one a fetus and one a baby when they are both 25 weeks?

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:14 pm 231. Self-hating Boomer:

Just a hunch, but I strongly suspect that when Dear Leader issues the order to convert to islam, suddenly Pat J will become pro-life.

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:30 pm 232. momof3:

Pat J is a master at the twisted rhetoric needed to enable a grown woman to kill her kid because it’s inconvenient to her selfish lifestyle. Apparently, you’re not alive until the cord is cut? But wait, plenty of abortion victims die after the cord is cut, so when is it, exactly, that the “fetus” becomes a child? When the mom decides she wants it? When it enters preschool? Do tell, please.

Jun 3, 2009 - 12:47 pm 233. Chuck Pelto:

TO: momof3, et al.
RE: Here’s a ‘Clue’

Apparently, you’re not alive until the cord is cut? But wait, plenty of abortion victims die after the cord is cut, so when is it, exactly, that the “fetus” becomes a child? When the mom decides she wants it? When it enters preschool? Do tell, please. — momof3

Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee…. — Jeremiah 1:4-5

Christians recognize it. Atheists, pagans and wiccans despise it.

Likewise, I’m reminded of a bumper-sticker I saw, once….

The most dangerous place to live in America is a woman’s womb.

RE: Also Consider This

The mass-murderers and their supporters, like to rely on the ‘judges’ who said that someone is not a human being until such an action as you describe is taken.

These same ‘judges’ also ruled that a Black was not a REAL human being until his owner set him free. Another such action.

That was the Dred Scott decision.

Think there’s a chance these ‘judges’ have screwed up again?

And as it took a ‘chastisement’ that cost US 600,000 American lives, in the Civil War, I’m concerned that there will be another such ‘chastisement’. Maybe not a civil war, but something much more ‘interesting’….and deadly…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Jun 3, 2009 - 1:52 pm 234. vivo:

208. BettyBlue:

“Vivo, any, and everything, can upset the mind of a fanatic.”

You are right. But O’Really has a way to distort facts and manipulate feeble minds.

211. Chuck Pelto:

“the likes of vivo, David S and any number of other rank hypocrites don’t give a d—.”

Never heard of W Long, I looked it up now, so I guess I “give a d—.”, whatever you meant.

Jun 3, 2009 - 2:38 pm 235. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Speaking of ‘Confession’

….so I guess I “give a d—.”, whatever you meant. — vivo

As if we didn’t expect this character to care about anything other than himself.

Eh?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and oddly enough from the mouth of the perp.....]

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:07 pm 236. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. This thread has been ‘captured’ for future ‘reference’…..

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:08 pm 237. Ms. Attitude:

234. vivo: Never heard of W Long, I looked it up now, so I guess I “give a d—.”, whatever you meant.

It’s a sad statement that you didn’t know his name…Private William Long. The President hasn’t said a word, the MSM hasn’t said much. He was young, he was serving his country. Instead our country is mourning a baby murderer.

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:26 pm 238. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. Actually….

…I have SERIOUS ‘doubts’ about your “giving a d—”, except for the destruction of this country.

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:29 pm 239. Michael:

Personal responsibility. Nothing the left despises more. They do enjoy the chance to silence any ideas except their own by declaring corporate guilt.

Everything falls into place when looked at like that, doesn’t it?

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:51 pm 240. deguello:

#229:Terri:DO you speak Spanish? or maybe Korean? There are secret police jobs available in Cuba and North Korea countries with people with “profiles” like yours.

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:55 pm 241. Michael:

226, it’s not unheard of for an abortion to go wrong and to have a live birth. They are sometimes put into a cupboard until it dies. Same intent, just takes longer.

Jun 3, 2009 - 3:59 pm 242. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ms. Attitude
RE: TARGET!!!

It’s a sad statement that you didn’t know his name…Private William Long. The President hasn’t said a word, the MSM hasn’t said much. He was young, he was serving his country. Instead our country is mourning a baby murderer. — Ms. Attitude

Cease Fire!

Disregard previous. Continue to engage primary target!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.....and Obama is NOT going to like the results....]

Jun 3, 2009 - 4:09 pm 243. Bilgeman:

Private William Long, a casualty of the Global War on Terror, killed at his post in Little Rock, Arkansas, in the first act of Islamist Terror on American soil since September 11th, 2001.

Didn’t take too long for Obama’s DHS to blow THAT one right out its’ ass, huh?

Jun 3, 2009 - 5:14 pm 244. vivo:

235. Chuck Pelto:

“….so I guess I “give a d—.”, whatever you meant. — vivo

As if we didn’t expect this character to care about anything other than himself. ”

You still don’t know how to read, and you wrote it YOURSELF!!!

Don’t ask me to explain, you claim to be intelligent enough to do it yourself.

238. Chuck Pelto:

“…I have SERIOUS ‘doubts’ about your “giving a d—”, except for the destruction of this country.”

This country is not destroying, maybe in the minds of paranoid, bigot, backwards, asocial, desperate, fringe groups. The rest of the country is optimistic.

Jun 3, 2009 - 10:20 pm 245. G Alston:

#227 — Words are powerful, especially words that incite anger and violence, they draw the weak minded.

Yup. Like the topless coffee shop that got torched:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/03/topless.shop.fire/index.html

Must be another one of the centrists. Couldn’t possibly be a drooling bible beater screeching that society has gone to the dogs. Anyone want to take bets? I got $5 on a baptist.

Jun 4, 2009 - 12:22 am 246. Michael:

I go with an athiest who got jelouse because his girlfriend worked there.

It appears that you dispise anyone who has faith since faith seems to be out of your understanding. Just remember, you’re still a bigot even if it is just out of ignorance.

Is the Contitution an itch that makes you irritable? Those pesky amendments especially; freedom of religion (not freedom from religion, the right to bare arms, etc…

Jun 4, 2009 - 6:08 am 247. Ms. Attitude:

245. G Alston: I’ll put my money on a jealous woman, who gave up everything, including her unborn baby, for some loser guy that hangs out at the topless coffee shop instead of being with her.

Jun 4, 2009 - 6:13 am 248. BettyBlue:

Wow, Vivo, so you’re saying that O’Reilly has some sort of mystical powers, like the Shadow, to manipulate feeble minds? You mean he’s like maaaaaaaaagic? And you can somehow tell this? You know the guy personally, right, and you’ve seen him clouding mens’ minds, whilst bending spoons, and making white tigers vanish? Or, maybe you’ve just sensed his mind-melding vibes through the magical rays of the boob tube?

Wowzers!

Jun 4, 2009 - 8:11 am 249. Pat J:

How is one a fetus and one a baby when they are both 25 weeks?
——————————————-
I for one do not favor abortions. I think pro-life should be more encompassing and include care from prenatal to grave, and the child should be born into a world without sickness, poverty, or war. I think if people are truly prolife should be against the death penalty and not support our leaders when the engage in reckless and unneccesary warmongering.

As far as I’m concerned there has to be a VERY good reason for a woman to carry a fetus beyond the second trimester and feel the need for an abortion. And the doctor charged with performing the act has to live up to the hypocrattic oath to do no harm.

Ms. Attitude I do respect your views and values. This is a very emotional issue.

Jun 4, 2009 - 8:40 am 250. deguello:

#248 Betty Blue,re;#234 VIVO:”O’really has a way to distort facts and manipulate feeble minds”.A classic case of libtard projection, as Vivo’s subconscious explains how Obama got his vote.

Jun 4, 2009 - 10:19 am 251. G Alston:

#246 — It appears that you dispise[sic] anyone who has faith since faith seems to be out of your understanding.

I dislike bible thumpers, which is a completely different thing than faith, which I admire. I don’t suffer idiots well either, so maybe you ought to post your drivel at others.

#247 — I’ll put my money on a jealous woman, who gave up everything, including her unborn baby, for some loser guy that hangs out at the topless coffee shop instead of being with her.

Satire! You channeled me, straight from the other thread. Well done!

Jun 4, 2009 - 2:33 pm 252. Kevin:

By the logic of the left vivo, freehat, em, CNN, MSNBC, the NY Times, Newsweek, etc. all share responsibility for arson and attempted murder in the burning down of Sarah Palin’s church.

Forgot about that already did you? That Orwellian doublethink is truly amazing.

Jun 4, 2009 - 3:09 pm 253. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Well…

I dislike bible thumpers…. — G Alston

…at least she’s honest enough to admit to her [DSM-V] “pathological bias”.

Those ‘Godless’ “bible-thumpers” can be a REAL ‘pain’. Especially when they’re ‘right’….tongue firmly in ‘cheek’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[God Send the Right! -- Battle Cry from The High Crusade]

Jun 4, 2009 - 4:07 pm 254. vivo:

248. BettyBlue:
“And you can somehow tell this? ”

Just talk to some of his viewers. Then come back and tell us what you heard yourself.

252. Kevin:

“That Orwellian doublethink is truly amazing.”

In this age and time, mass media is accessible to millions. Lots of true and distorted views are published. The real crackpots will get their ideas from many sources. Their chemical imbalance will do the rest.

Jun 4, 2009 - 4:56 pm 255. Rachel Peepers:

There is not a shred of evidence that Bill O’Reilly had anything to do with the death of George Tiller. Physically, O’Reilly was more than 1,000 miles away from the scene of the crime. Plus, eye witness descriptions of the killer said in no way did the killer resemble O’Reilly. Plus, O’reilly’s license plates don’t match the car driven by the alleged killers getaway car.

So I hope that lays to rest the baseless, bogus theory linking O’Reilly to the crime.

However, Barack Obama’s link to the slaughter of 1.3 million unborn per annum is much easier to ascertain.
For one thing, Obama is a vocal proponent of late-term and other types of unborn killing.

As President, he has the power to execute an executive order that prohibits federal funds being used to murder unborn citizens of the United States. Which would save hundreds of thousands a year, while granting constitutionally assured due process to all living people, no matter what age.

Along with Barack Obama and other governmental supporters of America’s abortion-fest, most members of “Planned Parenthood” are also guilty of aiding and abetting the cruel, contemptable, uncivilized and unholy war on the unborn.

The constitution gives no right to kill unborn, unwanted, or inconvenient children. Rather, it grants them life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

If you’re a supporter of the wholesale killing of the unborn, I encourage you to turn yourself in to your local authorities who will decide the disposition of each sed actor on a case by case basis.

If there are no more questions, I respectfully urge you to no longer support unborn liquidation. Take the fifth commandment seriously. Thou shalt not kill.

Jun 4, 2009 - 11:48 pm 256. Bill:

It is one thing to take issue with a law allowing late term abortions, but what O’Reilly did was clear and premeditated. It is easy to incite the insane and he knowingly did just that. O’Reilly is in fact worse than the killer. This is still America Mr O’Reilly. Tiller did nothing illegal… it was you that judged him and had him executed. You are a vile human and in the end, you will get what you deserve.

Jun 5, 2009 - 11:19 am 257. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Bill vs. O’Reilly

O’Reilly is in fact worse than the killer. — Bill

Then, as so many others have pointed out here, Bill’s logic says that every Democrat who voted for Obama is responsible for the murder of Matthew Long, gunned down in the street by a muslim maniac.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I wonder who Bill voted for in the last general election…..NOT!

TO: Bill….

…..what was it Lady MacBeth said? “Out damned spot!”

That blood on YOUR hands will never wash away, buckie……

Jun 5, 2009 - 3:03 pm 258. Rachel Peepers:

Question: Is Vivo brain dead? And, if so, would Bill O’Reilly be so kind as to pull the plug?

Jun 6, 2009 - 12:44 am 259. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Rachel Peepers
RE: vivo?

Is Vivo brain dead? — Rachel Peepers

He has a ‘brain’? I tend to doubt it. A human brain is supposed to be able to learn.

I suspect that vaunted American public education system has un-manned him, mentally. Just as it did everyone else under the age of 30 who voted for Obama.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and vivo will look very 'sad'.....]

Jun 7, 2009 - 6:13 pm 260. David S:

@211. Chuck Pelto:

“Meanwhile, who cares about William Long’s murder? — BettyBlue”

“I’ll wager dollars against donuts that the likes of vivo, David S and any number of other rank hypocrites don’t give a d—.

If they DID, they’d be hollering at Daily Kos. And I wonder if they can point to and prove such posts decrying Marcus as being on a par with O’Reilly over there.

Pardon me, but religious violence is deplorable in all of its forms. I doubt the Daily Kos is a major source for religious violence against our military or our doctors.

I do give a darn; why you would bet otherwise I can only guess. But I wouldn’t mind a donut!

Peace.

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