Comments on: Do the Netroots Get a Revote? http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:19:40 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: fred http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77809 fred Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:25:56 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77809 I am not as optimistic about the "Center" in the country. I call it the Middle Muddle, because these are people who cannot at least pick a side in a war, political or military. They cannot identify their fundamental, uncompromising principles, and then stand on them. I was a lifelong Democrat until 2003, and much of the early part of that time was spent on the Far Left. Once I had exhausted my search for an epistemologically, theologically, and scientifically sound "third way" Marxism, I gave up the project and moved on away from the Left. Now, I'm slightly Right-of-Center. Not always happy with the Republican Party, but there is enough in that party for me to agree with some basic principles: limited government and strong national defense. And I agree with capitalism, with some minor tweaking thrown in. It works. If you think it doesn't, then talk with people from Eastern Europe. They'll let you in on a secret that Obonga and the Netroots haven't figured out yet: socialism is a failure and has failed everywhere it's been tried in history. I am not as optimistic about the “Center” in the country. I call it the Middle Muddle, because these are people who cannot at least pick a side in a war, political or military. They cannot identify their fundamental, uncompromising principles, and then stand on them. I was a lifelong Democrat until 2003, and much of the early part of that time was spent on the Far Left. Once I had exhausted my search for an epistemologically, theologically, and scientifically sound “third way” Marxism, I gave up the project and moved on away from the Left. Now, I’m slightly Right-of-Center. Not always happy with the Republican Party, but there is enough in that party for me to agree with some basic principles: limited government and strong national defense. And I agree with capitalism, with some minor tweaking thrown in. It works. If you think it doesn’t, then talk with people from Eastern Europe. They’ll let you in on a secret that Obonga and the Netroots haven’t figured out yet: socialism is a failure and has failed everywhere it’s been tried in history.

]]> By: susie http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77233 susie Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:53:02 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77233 Obama is running for President of the World. He has been invited to debate / town hall meeting with McCain at Ft. Bragg. He declined (schedule conflicts) even when they agreed to change the date to meet his schedule. He wants to be Commander in Chief but can't speak to the troops and their families. He rather "kiss-up" to the European's and give campaign speeches in France and Germany. He is an "ombanation". Obama is running for President of the World. He has been invited to debate / town hall meeting with McCain at Ft. Bragg. He declined (schedule conflicts) even when they agreed to change the date to meet his schedule. He wants to be Commander in Chief but can’t speak to the troops and their families. He rather “kiss-up” to the European’s and give campaign speeches in France and Germany.

He is an “ombanation”.

]]> By: patty b http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77190 patty b Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:57:32 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77190 what i dont like about this empty headed moron is not policy really BUT HIS ARROGNANCE AND THE HANG DOG DEPRESSED LOOK ON HIS HATEFUL WIFE I PRAY TO GOD HE DOES NOT WIN I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE IN THE MEDIA IF HE DOSENT. what i dont like about this empty headed moron is not policy really BUT HIS ARROGNANCE AND THE HANG DOG DEPRESSED LOOK ON HIS HATEFUL WIFE I PRAY TO GOD HE DOES NOT WIN I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE IN THE MEDIA IF HE DOSENT.

]]> By: Troy http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77155 Troy Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:03:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77155 They should, and they should vote for....? They should, and they should vote for….?

]]> By: Dave II http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77154 Dave II Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:59:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77154 I get the feeling here, many think that since Obama flipped (on many issues, not just Iraq) and since the netroots will go with him anyway (many as above though are having "buyers remorse") then the vast center will just fall in line with him because he NOW says what THEY want to hear... I don't believe the independent/center is as gullible as the netroots were or are for Obama! One reason they ARE the center is they don't swallow the line of EITHER party and have a healthy skepticism about a candidate until he shows them his TRUE COLORS. Obama's true colors are coming through as the fraud and political hack he is, with no core principles and glib tongue that belies a complete lack of judgement and character. As the saying goes: You can fool some of the people some of the time (as he did to win the primary) but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. And he won't come November. I get the feeling here, many think that since Obama flipped (on many issues, not just Iraq) and since the netroots will go with him anyway (many as above though are having “buyers remorse”) then the vast center will just fall in line with him because he NOW says what THEY want to hear…

I don’t believe the independent/center is as gullible as the netroots were or are for Obama! One reason they ARE the center is they don’t swallow the line of EITHER party and have a healthy skepticism about a candidate until he shows them his TRUE COLORS. Obama’s true colors are coming through as the fraud and political hack he is, with no core principles and glib tongue that belies a complete lack of judgement and character.

As the saying goes: You can fool some of the people some of the time (as he did to win the primary) but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

And he won’t come November.

]]> By: mouse http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77147 mouse Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:54:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77147 schnargley, you get it! Speaking of Obama: "He is the center. He is the culmination of thousands of years of human history, the finality of all human wisdom, the answer to our deepest fears and most unspoken hopes." I understand this well, it describes me perfectly... or at least up until I was eight years old when Billy Johnson punched me out on the playground because he didn't agree with me. Obama's problem is that he never met Billy Johnson, only white people so pleased to know a pleasant black guy with a grin. I know very well that there are a lot of Billy Johnsons out there, I hope there are enough. It's too late to help Obama, but it might save the republic. schnargley, you get it! Speaking of Obama:

“He is the center. He is the culmination of thousands of years of human history, the finality of all human wisdom, the answer to our deepest fears and most unspoken hopes.”

I understand this well, it describes me perfectly… or at least up until I was eight years old when Billy Johnson punched me out on the playground because he didn’t agree with me. Obama’s problem is that he never met Billy Johnson, only white people so pleased to know a pleasant black guy with a grin.

I know very well that there are a lot of Billy Johnsons out there, I hope there are enough. It’s too late to help Obama, but it might save the republic.

]]> By: craig http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77136 craig Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:36:35 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77136 This is an impossible situation. Yes Obama pandered to the netroots about the main issue which was losing the war, and yes we came within six months of a downward spiral to defeat so Obama thought it would be a safe bet. The reality is I think the netroots have to come to terms with reality not Obama. Obama is a politician and a smart guy without strong principals. He will do whatever it takes to win the war now because it looks good for him if he is allowed to do so. I think the netroots knows inside that no matter what Obama says he will let them down. They might as well accept the buyers remorse and let him flip already. If they don't they may lose him the election. Anyway I think this group of people and that includes moveon.org needs a little bit of a reality check. Yes Bush screwed up. Yes McCain, Hillary, and most dems and republicans thought the war was the right thing to do based on very faulty intelligence and the belligerance of the Bush admin. But your anger doesn't help us now. These groups cannot look like they want us to lose in Iraq because that can be portrayed by many as almost treachorous. Also it is meaningless since whomever is president will work this out with the Iraqi government. Let Obama do what he has to do. We live in a tough world. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet. If Iraq is a success with democrat help they will be rewarded even if it is late in the game. This is an impossible situation. Yes Obama pandered to the netroots about the main issue which was losing the war, and yes we came within six months of a downward spiral to defeat so Obama thought it would be a safe bet.

The reality is I think the netroots have to come to terms with reality not Obama. Obama is a politician and a smart guy without strong principals. He will do whatever it takes to win the war now because it looks good for him if he is allowed to do so.

I think the netroots knows inside that no matter what Obama says he will let them down. They might as well accept the buyers remorse and let him flip already. If they don’t they may lose him the election.

Anyway I think this group of people and that includes moveon.org needs a little bit of a reality check. Yes Bush screwed up. Yes McCain, Hillary, and most dems and republicans thought the war was the right thing to do based on very faulty intelligence and the belligerance of the Bush admin.

But your anger doesn’t help us now. These groups cannot look like they want us to lose in Iraq because that can be portrayed by many as almost treachorous. Also it is meaningless since whomever is president will work this out with the Iraqi government.

Let Obama do what he has to do. We live in a tough world. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet. If Iraq is a success with democrat help they will be rewarded even if it is late in the game.

]]> By: Dane http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77134 Dane Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:29:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77134 "Are you sure you won’t consider voting for John McCain? He may wear an R, but he’s actually the best Democrat out there." Yeah, I was gonna say - have you actually looked at McCain's voting record on anything other than foreign policy? It's certainly not the Republican party line - in some areas, he's to the left of the more centrist Democrats in Congress. “Are you sure you won’t consider voting for John McCain? He may wear an R, but he’s actually the best Democrat out there.”

Yeah, I was gonna say – have you actually looked at McCain’s voting record on anything other than foreign policy? It’s certainly not the Republican party line – in some areas, he’s to the left of the more centrist Democrats in Congress.

]]> By: Mary in LA http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77131 Mary in LA Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:13:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77131 [David] "I guess I will go third party this election ala Nader, Voting republican is out of the question." Are you sure you won't consider voting for John McCain? He may wear an R, but he's actually the best Democrat out there. :-P (yes, I'm gonna vote for him...) [David] “I guess I will go third party this election ala Nader, Voting republican is out of the question.”

Are you sure you won’t consider voting for John McCain? He may wear an R, but he’s actually the best Democrat out there. :-P

(yes, I’m gonna vote for him…)

]]> By: schnargley http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/comment-page-1/#comment-77108 schnargley Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:05:35 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/do-the-netroots-get-a-revote/#comment-77108 When will you guys ever get it? It does not important whether Obama supposedly refines and adjusts his position to the center. He cannot, in effect move to the center. He is the center. He is the culmination of thousands of years of human history, the finality of all human wisdom, the answer to our deepest fears and most unspoken hopes. When will you guys ever get it? It does not important whether Obama supposedly refines and adjusts his position to the center. He cannot, in effect move to the center. He is the center. He is the culmination of thousands of years of human history, the finality of all human wisdom, the answer to our deepest fears and most unspoken hopes.

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