Don’t Hammer Obama for ‘Refining’ Iraq Stance
Republicans should welcome any change of heart from Obama, as recognizing American progress in Iraq could only benefit both countries.
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For those who see solid indications that Iraq can become a relatively stable democratic ally, Obama’s “retreat from retreat” should be a welcome sign that he is willing to finally acknowledge signs of success. His campaign may be attempting to create some space regarding his long-held position on Iraq to perhaps take into account the remarkable transformation in that country since he declared his withdrawal plan. The “wiggle room” is based upon the dramatic advances on both diplomatic and security fronts in Iraq, where his previous position on withdrawing U.S. combat forces held actual conditions in Iraq almost irrelevant when weighed against the desires of his domestic anti-war base. If he follows his hinted path and takes conditions in Iraq into account in adjusting his policies, it will be a significant repudiation of his “out at any cost” progressive supporters, and as they’re now arguing on message boards, it may be a betrayal of their support.
Republicans have every justification for pillorying the Democratic nominee as he tries to create rhetorical room for his pending pivot away from his signature position. “I was for it, before I was against it” defined the Democrats’ last presidential candidate, and suggesting that a mallability of character is a Democratic trait may swing some small number of moderate voters. Along with reversals or softening of rhetoric on other issues, from gun control to abortion, a softening of his withdrawal stance would be framed to suggest Obama doesn’t have immutable positions or principles.
If Republicans are wise, however, they’ll wield the hypocrisy charge lightly. Obama may be signaling a turn away from the progressive fringe on a defining component of his campaign, but if the success of coalition forces and the Iraqi government is a sincere goal of Republican politicians, they should perhaps simply welcome the Illinois senator’s suddenly more pragmatic approach as a position that may be best for both countries.
Bob Owens blogs at Confederate Yankee.
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1. Jbl:the problem, sir, is that there is no way to know whether Obama’s talk this week means anything at all…on ANY of his flip-flopped issues. He’s jumping to the right. He could just as easily snap left again the moment he’s in the Oval Office. There is no sense of stability, here, absolutely no sense that the guy believes in anything. And I started out being very hopeful about him.
Jul 5, 2008 - 1:51 am 2. Tony:“If Republicans are wise, however, they’ll wield the hypocrisy charge lightly.”
Is there anything that republicans are allowed mention about Obama? Seems to me that anytime some glaringly obvious indicator of Obama’s lack of qualification to become President raises its head it immediately becomes a taboo subject and anyone daring to raise it is just a big old ignorant red neck racist.
At what point does his immunity from all questions run out? I’d suggest before the election some time would be sensible.
Jul 5, 2008 - 3:38 am 3. John Samford:Bob as Jbl observes, you are missing the point.
Ohhhhh……..BAMA appears to be willing to say and do anything to get elected. He won’t stand on his principals because he has none. Unprincipaled Presidents have ALWAYS been one term disasters. We found that out with Carter, Bush I, Johnson and Truman.
Anyone that wants to be elected so bad that they are willing to say and do anything, shouldn’t be President.
He is a snake Oil salesman, nothing more, nothing less. He goes left to get the nomination, then right to pander to the real voters. Just like all the other Socialists that have lost over the last 30 years. Nobody is fooled, except maybe you and the other monnbats.
Iraq IS NOT a war. Iraq is a campiagn. It is PART of a war. Win or lose in Iraq, the war goes on. Obama knows this. You sure as ‘ell won’t catch him saying it. NObama is in serious trouble on Iraq. He picked the wrong horse. Iraq is a done deal and a victory. Even AL Qaeda says so.
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:28 am 4. Ed Wallis:Now Ohhhh……BAMA has to spin his position on Iraq around to be something other then what it was. He has to do this in such a way as to keep his moonbats on the reservation without looking like a total fool to the center he is courting now.
Good luck with that.
Obama…pragmatic?!!? Puh-lease.
Being from Washington, D.C., I will not use the words “typical, cynical politician.” You see, it’s terribly redundant…and repetitive…and, well, you get my point.
“Jbl” hit the nail on the head, in that there is no way to tell what this Manchurian Candidate would do were he elected into office.
Whether one is a Democrat or Republican, this alone should be sufficiently troubling to knock this presumed candidate out of consideration.
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:39 am 5. Ric James:With the clear progress seen in Iraq over the past year, it’s only been when his reluctance to even discuss the current situation with people who know - think of the soldiers in Iraq of General Patraeus - that his position “evolved.” It looks to me like he’s trying to evade the effects of his cut-and-run position, not that his position is actually changing. It’s not that he’s talking more sensibly about Iraq and the wider war that’s the problem, it’s that he’s demonstrating that his words can’t be trusted.
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:47 am 6. RE:Obama’s smoke and mirrors spin team isn’t going to be getting much sleep until November. There’s far to much spinning, flipping, and spinning required to keep everyone distracted from substance for that long. For the good of America, let’s hope they burn out by them.
How the Democrats can nominate someone of so little substance still astonishes me.
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:54 am 7. ahrm:Uh, that’s not a change of opinion; that’s just mendacity.
Jul 5, 2008 - 5:11 am 8. h. taylor:There’s no explaining to do! Obama always said that he’ll be as careful getting out of Iraq as they were careless getting into Iraq. He giving a deadline for at least 16 months to withdraw all the troops, and I believe he can do it. But even if he doesn’t do a full withdrawal in 16 months, by pulling troops out “PERIOD” is a step in the right direction. This issue that don’t need to be bombarded, and blown up by the media. I think the media is so fasinated by Obama, that every position, every word, and everything he says and does jumps their rating up 20%. John McCain, in the other hand, doesn’t even have a plan to bring the troops home, period-full stop. Another 25, 50, 100 years will be fine with him. They have been trying to bring this war to an end every since Bush “Mission Accomplished” lie. But couldn’t come up with a clear strategy to do it without making matters worst in this war. Bush/Cheney are still in office until November, and their intentions are to make it harder to set a timeline for complete withdrawal. So this so- called “flip flop” theme song with the media need to go away in this case. It not newsworthy.
Jul 5, 2008 - 5:29 am 9. robert verdi:Your right, we should acclaim his support for the war instead of attacking him too much. Link Obama with victory in Iraq and his base will go loony! Some of them may even stay home.
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:01 am 10. John Samford:“by pulling troops out “PERIOD” is a step in the right direction. ”
In your ill-informed opinion, h. taylor.
DO you have any evidence to support your opinion, or is it just something everybody in your neighborhood knows?
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:05 am 11. reliapundit:I have been asking for years now where the evidence that opening a campaign in Iraq was a mistake is. So show me. Prove to me that Iraq was a mistake.
So far none of the moonbats and terrorist supporting mo-fo’s have responded. I doubt that you will be any different.
obama staked his ENTIRE campaign on his judgment on Iraq.
now he’s flipflopping and you want us to leave him be!?!
no effin’ way.
hindsight is 20/20. all obama is doing is acknowledging the obvious fact that we’ve won. AFTER THE FACT.
her did NOT heavy lifting to aid us. in fact, his comments aided the enemy.
sure; we like that he’s on ourt side NOW, but it’s too little too late.
the only way i forgive him is if he recants his entire position and admits he was wrong about Iraq, and removes himself from consideration for the high office he is currently seeking.
OBAMA IS UNFIT TO LEAD THIS NATION AND THE FREE WORLD.
and his slight and begrudgingly late and half-assed change of heart on the surge and withdrawal doesn’t make him any more fit.
or worthy of a pause in our attacks against him.
the security of the free world is at stake.
and that’s more important than anything else.
especially being accommodating to his recent, late abd half-hearted “conversion”.
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:37 am 12. Porkov:Should I credit Sen. Obama with the benefit of the doubt and put on my rose-colored glasses, I might suspect that he is beginning to realize that he may soon become the President of ALL the people of the United States of America. As one who has premised his candidacy on reconciliation, and as one whose exposure to the prevalent culture has been somewhat out of the mainstream, he may still be evolving his conception of what is integral about this country. If that is indeed the case, I would not despair in the event he is elected, for I know that he will be enlightened and glorified by what he discovers and that he has the oratorial gift to share his epipheny.
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:37 am 13. ajacksonian:God help us if he is just another ambitious demagogue.
America still has troops in Germany, Japan, and covering the cease-fire in South Korea… can we get those folks home *first*? The Philippines took nearly 80 years to finally tell us they didn’t need us around after we ensured the insurgency there was ended circa 1915… then we had to go back to help due to Mt. Pinotubo and Abu Sayyaf coming in to destabilize their Nation.
How about that? Is an 80 year timeline too long for anyone? Say 2025 to leave Germany and Japan? And then being prepared to step in and help in case we are needed again, like we did to remove the Japanese invasion of the Philippines? Heck, with the help we had to give Kosovo in 1999 that puts a final leave date for making sure things would be secure around 2079 or so… might take longer as it *is* The Balkans we are talking about there, the most unsettled piece of real estate in Europe for centuries. Maybe not the wisest thing to have gone into a place where everyone else has failed for generations.
We have a political class that has ignored the fact of post-war problems, of actually needing a relatively large fighting force to be at the ready to quell problems and help the locals to establish peace in their homeland. Germany and Japan had the benefit of being unitary states with centralized politics and pre-existing structures that could adapt to democracy… the Philippines didn’t and took a bit longer. The US was never successful in Haiti, but then our political class has a major blindspot there and has had so for a long, long, long time.
Meanwhile we see a criminal insurgency starting up in northern Mexico, a few hit squads already coming into the US to eliminate some of the local competition, and a steadily deteriorating problem just south of the border that is already outstripping Iraq for civilian casualties.
I am glad that Sen. Obama has a change of mind, although it is difficult to actually figure out why he would declare that nothing would work in Iraq before the surge and indict it before it even started, and now not fess up that he was wrong with its successes. If his mindset was wrong *then* what ensures that it will be *right* now? As he has no real record to speak of, Sen. Obama must run on character… and it is looking like he is lacking there, too.
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:38 am 14. Chester White:Republicans should be interesting in BEATING this clown, not trying to educate him and hope he comes around to our position and being thankful when he does.
Sheeesh.
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:42 am 15. David Thomson:“He could just as easily snap left again the moment he’s in the Oval Office.”
B. Obama is simply looking at the more recent polls showing Americans wanting our Iraq venture to be successful. We should still be happy, however, that this change is taking place. And yes, Obama is not to be trusted. He is a very shallow man who has done very little reading in his life. At the end of the day, Obama sticks his wet finger into the air to see which way the wind is blowing.
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:51 am 16. ZEITGEIST:[...] OWENS: Don’t Hammer Obama for ‘Refining’ Iraq Stance. “Republicans should welcome any change of heart from Obama, as recognizing American progress in [...]
Jul 5, 2008 - 6:57 am 17. The Real Issue:Senator Obama all along has indicated a gradual withdrawal and that’s the real issue. The Republicans are once again trying to make something out of nothing…..baking a cake without ingrediants…..
Jul 5, 2008 - 7:20 am 18. usmcret:Barrack Hussein Obama, who three years ago was an obscure Illinois state Senator, a product of the corrupt Chicago Daly political machine, is now being touted as being “qualified ” to be President of the United States. If it weren’t true, it would be hilarious. Unfortunately, this empty shirt has been succesful in duping countless thousands with flip-floppong rhetoric, interwoven with unabashed socialism, calls for higher taxes and the redistribution of wealth. He is dangerously ignorant of international affairs and the threat that terrorism poses to not just the US, but to the ideals of freedom and individuality that are the bedrocks of western civilization.
As a retired USMC officer and combat veteran of Viet Nam, I shudder to think that the security of our countrry could be entrusted to someone of such extremely limited experience and, more importantly, someone, with such warped and radical ideas of international affairs and economics. Think about it. The security of the country is a stake. If we are not secure, every other political, social or economic issue becomes moot.
Semper Fi
Jul 5, 2008 - 7:21 am 19. Chuck Pelto:TO: Bob Owens
RE: Yeah…Sure….
“Republicans should welcome any change of heart from Obama, as recognizing American progress in Iraq could only benefit both countries.” — Bob Owens
The problem is that Obama changes his ‘heart’ as often as he does his underwear. And you never know what change is going to take place next. He’s as changeable as the weather along the Front Range in Colorado, where you can have all four seasons within a 24-hour period.
You can’t TRUST someone who’s ‘heart’ is a mercurial as that. One day he’ll love you and the next he’ll throw you under the proverbial bus, just like his spiritual mentor, then his stance on abortion, then his stance on taxes, and now his stance on Iraq.
He flip-flops faster than Kerry does.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Yesterday's truth is tomorrow's lie. -- Old Communist Truism]
P.S. And maybe there IS a connection between that truism and Senator Obama. A lot of his supporters like Che[nge]. Think “Chenge you can believe it”….as on a daily basis…..
Jul 5, 2008 - 7:22 am 20. ~Paules:I continue to read fearful comments from conservatives about an Obama presidency. It’s not going to happen. The primary process has left key democratic constituent groups alienated. The white working-class showed us in PA, WV, and KY that Obama enjoys very little support among them. The unity rally did nothing to shore up feminist support for Obama. At least some of these women have publicly stated they will vote for McCain. Except for Cuban-Americans, Hispanics should be another reliable democratic constituency. Not this time around. I live in a state that is 45% Hispanic. I have seen and heard the antipathy that many Hispanics have for the black community. Yes, it’s racist, but that’s the ugly fact that the MSM won’t tell you. African-Americans, young people, gays and environmentalists do not a majority make. Obama cannot win without his entire base.
Jul 5, 2008 - 7:28 am 21. George Dixon:I agree, no accountability for Obama, ever!
Jul 5, 2008 - 7:55 am 22. steven j stevens:He gets to say what ever it takes to win, then do whatever he wants to….he’s a democrat.
/sarcasm off
The idea that the right should cut this fool some slack is insane.
Compromise between good and bad simply advances bad incrementally.
SEEMS LIKE OBAMA IS STARTING TO REALIZE WHAT HILLARY CLINTON ALREADY KNEW AND TOLD THE COUNTRY…THAT ONE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE SLOWLY ON THE WITHDRAWAL….IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OBAMA’S WAVERING IS BRING HIM INTO THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMP…I SAY DUMP OBAMA AT THE CONVENTON AND INSTALL HILLARY CLINTON AS THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE IB HIS PLACE..AND CHOOSE OBAMA FOR THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL SLOT WHERE HE CAN GAIN EXPIRENCE FOR THE A RUN IN 2016
Jul 5, 2008 - 8:06 am 23. Bullfrog:If this were the only issue Obama had done an “about-face” on in recent weeks since clinching the Democratic nomination, maybe we could just give him credit for seeing the progress in Iraq and having the wisdom to change his mind. But it isn’t; he has changed his position on other things as well, and it wreaks of the typical political strategy when going from a primary to a general election:
1. Start out by appealing to your base and the extremists of your respective party.
2. Once the nomination has been won, move toward the “center” in preparation for the General Election.
This has been the strategy of every politician in MY lifetime, so I think it is a bit naive to “atta-boy” Obama for doing it.
Jul 5, 2008 - 8:18 am 24. Chuck Pelto:TO: ~Paules
RE: Fearful?
“I continue to read fearful comments from conservatives about an Obama presidency.” — ~Paules
Fear has nothing to do with it.
I’ve learned to recognize a liar when I see it.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 8:30 am 25. Amphipolis:[Oh what tangled webs they weave, when first they practice to deceive.]
Whether we agree with his current position is not the point. Consistency may not be important to a Senator, but it will be to a President.
Leaders do not base their positions on the latest poll.
Jul 5, 2008 - 8:44 am 26. ~Paules:Allow me to demonstrate with some simple math to back up my earlier comment. Let us say in round numbers that 100 million people will cast a vote in Novemeber. If a mere 15% of Obama’s core constituency of 35 million registered democrats refuse to vote, Obama suffers a deficit of 5.25 million votes that democrats can normally count on. If half of the alienated 15% cross the aisle and throw the lever for McCain, it has the net effect of bumping that deficit to 7.5 million votes in round numbers. Given the razor thin margins in the last two presidential elections, where is Obama going to make it up?
I predict the race card will backfire on Obama. He cannot shame the white working-class with charges of racism like he can liberal elites. In the privacy of the voting booth “typical white people” can vote their annoyance. Joe Sixpack says, “Obama calls me a racist. I guess I can confirm that . . . anonymously.” Is Joe a racist? Well, yeah, but only because he’s been provoked. He votes his pique to defend his pride. Obama has made a big mistake because he doesn’t understand working people. His elitism will cost him.
Jul 5, 2008 - 8:47 am 27. Dave II:Obama…HYPOCRITE??? Who knows…who cares.
Obama…UNTRUSTWORTHY??? Damn straight!!!
And on that EVERYONE should care…left AND right!
Jul 5, 2008 - 8:59 am 28. Chuck Pelto:TO: Dave II
RE: Hypocrites & Untrustworthy
Actually….I think the two terms are synonymous.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 9:09 am 29. Richard of Oregon:[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]
By November 1, could Obama be more militant than McCain? Yes! He needs to pull in more voters from the center and even the right. McCain needs to get more center and left folks. They may have started their campaigns from opposite ends of the pool, but both are swimming furously toward the center. By the end of October they may have passed each other. We’ll know they have if we hear McCain telling us how many and how fast he is going to be pulling troops out of Iraq and Obama telling us that he will beef up Middle Eastern security. Just practical politics. The real question is what will the president be doing next groundhogs day.
Jul 5, 2008 - 9:20 am 30. Fat Jolly Penguin:Here’s the problem. This whole piece assumes that Obama is actually going to keep his promise, when we all know full well he won’t. I’m sorry if you disagree with me Mr. Owens, but to paraphrase Obama himself, we know what kind of campaign he’s going to run. He’s so extreme that if he’s honest, no one will vote for him except a few extreme leftists; he knows it, too. Therefore, he’s trying to paint himself as some kind of moderate, which it’s only too obvious he isn’t.
On a political note, playing along and entertaining his little fantasies isn’t going to help defeat him or his ideology come November. We need to stop worrying if we’re going to offend the Messiah and actually get around to pointing out his flaws, instead of leaving it to talk radio and other conservative news sources and blogs. We know the Republicans won’t do it — John McCain has essentially said as much.
Jul 5, 2008 - 9:22 am 31. Chuck Pelto:TO: ~Paules
RE: Racists, Anyone?
“Joe Sixpack says, “Obama calls me a racist. I guess I can confirm that . . . anonymously.” Is Joe a racist? Well, yeah, but only because he’s been provoked.” — ~Paules
You seem to project a lot. First it’s fear and now it’s racism.
Personally, I’ve come to the conclusion that the people who throw the race card first are more likely the racists than the people they accuse of being such. Again, something to do with projection.
Will it backfire on Obama? I should think it would amongst anyone with more than two synapse that rub together.
“He votes his pique to defend his pride.” — ~Paules
Again, I think you project.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 9:33 am 32. John Samford:[Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom. -- Proverbs]
On a positive note, it seems Ohhhhh……BAAAMA was telling the truth about “Change you can count on”.
Jul 5, 2008 - 9:39 am 33. JeanE:What the moonbats hadn’t counted on was him changing ALL his positions.
Oh well. Politics ain’t beanbag, as a former Democratic President was rumored to have said.
Conservatives know they can count on him changing yet again, if elected.
If the man won’t keep his promises to his base, then who will he keep them with? When you promise everything to everybody, somebody will get lucky.
Lets start a pool. Which promise will NObama keep?
If Senator Obama recognizes progress in Iraq and is prepared to modify his plans based on that progress, that’s great. Nonetheless, he has made his JUDGMENT regarding Iraq a prominent feature of his campaign, and this change in position demonstrates that 18 months ago when a decision had to be made, his judgment was WRONG. Almost anyone can recognize success and agree to support it- a leader needs to decide which path will lead to success and commit to following it well before the outcome becomes obvious to the casual observer.
Jul 5, 2008 - 9:53 am 34. Muggins, San Jose, USA:John McCain did this- Barrack Obama did not.
If you believe in campaign promises, I have a bridge to sell ya cheap.
Jul 5, 2008 - 9:58 am 35. Howard:SPIN is when you call flip flopping refining!
Jul 5, 2008 - 10:14 am 36. frege:His switch is pure opportunism, but even an opportunist can be right from time to time. I think the key is to remind voters that Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this realization, and that if public opinion weren’t showing signs of movement in this direction Obama likely would have kept preaching to his choir.
The point of making sure we move forward and discuss Iraq as it is, not as it was in 2006 (in the left’s imagination at least), is well taken. But I think pointing out that Obama took so long because he was courting SDS-types can be and should be done. Obama has been running with these groups for a long time. His coming to his senses on Iraq, while a welcome development if true, does not take these associations off the table.
Jul 5, 2008 - 10:17 am 37. ~Paules:To Chuck:
I’m not projecting anything; I know my people. I grew up in Pennsylvania amongst factory workers and farmers. I spent the first 20 years of my working career doing blue-collar work. I know the attitude.
Working class people in this country are proud, and justifiably so. We have worked hard to get where we are. Criticism from our so-called betters is not something we put up with. Talk smack about my God or my guns, and I’ll get an attitude real quick. Try a little country music if you doubt me. Trace says it better than I can.
Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpwvT5Vp24
Obama has made a bad mistake by talking down to blue-collar union voters. You fail to get my point, so allow me to be more explicit. Obama CANNOT win without the white working class. He’s lost a core constituency. We like candidates who respect us for our hard work and patriotism. We cop an attitude when we detect condescension.
I predict that Obama will lose Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. He may pick up a state or two in the (formerly) solid south or west, but not enough to offset his losses in key states. I don’t fear an Obama presidency because it’s not going to happen. Mr. Unity has fractured his own party. That he fails to see it only underscores his arrogance. Nuff said.
Jul 5, 2008 - 10:27 am 38. fred:The key to understanding where Obama is going to go on foreign policy is not his statements and speeches made to different constituencies or potential constituencies. Rather, look at the stable of advisers he either selected or were selected for him (by George Soros). Place their backgrounds, experience, and well-published views in the context of Obama’s very solid socialist credentials and you have the true default positions of the man. Now, doing that sort of information search requires something a lot of voters do not want to do or apparently do not have the time for: research. Yet, this information is not hard to find. And you have to do this work, because the mainstream media is not going to do it for you. They are already in his corner, so they are not going to reveal or explain anything that reflects badly on him or exposes how far to the Left he is.
Jul 5, 2008 - 10:59 am 39. Chuck Pelto:TO: ~Paules
RE: Know Yourself
“I’m not projecting anything; I know my people.” — ~Paules
You may know YOUR people, but you sure don’t know ME.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 11:09 am 40. Chuck Pelto:TO: ~Paules
RE: Oh Yes He Can….
“Obama CANNOT win without the white working class.” — ~Paules
…if the balloting is rigged.
Our state SecState is closely watching what happens in our county due to some interesting shenanigans in 2006.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 11:16 am 41. h. taylor:P.S. My town is known as the Pittsburgh of the Rockies.
John Samford; Check this out and go away.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/
Jul 5, 2008 - 11:34 am 42. ~Paules:Okay, Chuck, I give. What is the Pittsburgh of the Rockies? Albuquerque? Denver? Salt Lake? And why do you feel the voting will be rigged?
I live in the San Francisco of the Rockies albeit on a smaller scale (Santa Fe). Solid moonbat country. I think I must know all of ten other conservatives.
Regards,
~Paules
Jul 5, 2008 - 11:42 am 43. Ed Wallis:“h. taylor,” oooooohhhhhhh, P-B-S…now THAT’s convincing on its own! Gee, does the screed you reference have a soundtrack by Peter, Paul and Bill Moyers?!? You and “The Real Issue” need a bit of work on your memory : look back at what The Obamboozler said about Iraq and immediate.
Jul 5, 2008 - 11:42 am 44. Towering Barbarian:Chuck(le),
“…if the balloting is rigged.
Our state SecState is closely watching what happens in our county due to some interesting shenanigans in 2006.”
And who would deny that a *Chicago* Democrat like our good Mr. Obama would indeed know all about vote rigging? ^O^
If your local SecState is indeed on the job and honest it will be amusing to see how many of Mr. Obama’s supporters and the ACORN toadies end up in the hoosegow. Let’s bet on lots and lots! ^_~
Jul 5, 2008 - 11:46 am 45. Chuck Pelto:TO: Towering Barbarian
RE: The CO SecState
“If your local SecState is indeed on the job and honest it will be amusing to see how many of Mr. Obama’s supporters and the ACORN toadies end up in the hoosegow. Let’s bet on lots and lots!” — Towering Barbarian
The Colorado SecState is in the minority here. He’s one of the few Republicans holding elected office at the state level. However, when he was elected to the position, we passed him a number of affidavits, one even from a County Democratic Party Precinct Chair complaining of irregularities that were witnessed. The latter complaining about ACORN-esque activities in her neighborhood. She ‘recanted’ when pressed by officials. Something about being ‘afraid’, as I understood it.
We’ll see what happens come late Fall….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 11:54 am 46. Chuck Pelto:[Ever people get the governance they deserve.....]
TO: ~Paulus
RE: Welcome to Gyp-parody!
“Okay, Chuck, I give. What is the Pittsburgh of the Rockies? Albuquerque? Denver? Salt Lake?” — ~Paules
Try the Colorado Fuel & Iron (CF&I) steel mill in Pueblo, Colorado. The only such works between Chicago and the West Coast, as far as I know.
RE: Riggers R….
“And why do you feel the voting will be rigged?” — ~Paules
What’s the best way to rob a bank? Isn’t it to ‘own’ the bank?
I’ve watched some interesting things go on in my county; Republican balloting judges not allowed into the vote-counting room until the Secretary of States’ personal rep demands entry for them. ACORN-esque voter registration drives with reports, as I understand it, of people passing out absentee ballot requests ALONG WITH absentee ballots and only to Democrat Party households.
The Democrats like to whine about the 2000 election being ’stolen’. I think they’re projecting…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 12:17 pm 47. h. taylor:Well Ed, I was obviouly referring my quotes to Old Johnboy, but since you want a piece of me I guess you’re next. In my blog, I said “any withdrawal” is better that “no withdrawal.” Whether it “immediate” or 2 months after he takes office. The point is to be very careful and use judgement to pull our brave men and women from harm’s way as quickly as humanly possible. If you have a family member in Iraq, I would think you’ll feel the same way I do. But it seem that you don’t. I like to see my brother come home if only for a little while. After serving 3 of the 5 years of Bush/Cheney War he’s writes me every chance he gets to tell be how much it sucks to be there. But he knows that he and his buddies have a job to do for America. All the service men and women have no choice, unless they should be called unpatriotic in fighting this senseless war. You can call me what you like, but if Obama is giving my brother and all his buddies over there the “change” he needs to get out of Iraq. All my money, time, and effort will be with Obama’s plan. So take you’re small time, no useful, ill-informed rhetoric somewhere and stick it up someone else’s a***.
Jul 5, 2008 - 12:20 pm 48. Chuck Pelto:TO: h. taylor
RE: A Piece of the ‘Action’….
“….but since you want a piece of me I guess you’re next.” — h. taylor
…such as it is.
I’m game. But be advised, this ‘game’ is armed and dangerous.
RE: Withdrawal vs. No Withdrawal
“In my blog, I said “any withdrawal” is better that “no withdrawal.” Whether it “immediate” or 2 months after he takes office.” — h. taylor
Wowzers! Such ‘restraint’!
You are obviously not well-versed in logistics. Let alone the politics of ‘war’.
“The point is to be very careful and use judgement to pull our brave men and women from harm’s way as quickly as humanly possible.” — h. taylor
Nothing like inviting the harm to come directly to our doorstep, eh?
“If you have a family member in Iraq, I would think you’ll feel the same way I do.” — h. taylor
You obviously don’t think very much. Either that or you think everyone thinks just like you do. Believe me, they don’t.
“But it seem that you don’t.” — h. taylor
Catching on, are we?
Good.
“I like to see my brother come home if only for a little while. After serving 3 of the 5 years of Bush/Cheney War….– h. taylor
He’s been there ALL that time? Interesting. You have to volunteer to stay on and miss a rotation back to Stateside. He must be very dedicated. Either that or you’re misrepresenting something here. Which is it?
“After serving 3 of the 5 years of Bush/Cheney War he’s writes me every chance he gets to tell be how much it sucks to be there.” — h. taylor
Based on personal experience, being just about ANYPLACE outside of Stateside, ‘sucks’. There are a few notable, ‘civilized’ places; Japan, Germany, Italy. But try some jungle locale or, in this instance desert.
Been there. Done that. Twenty-seven years in the infantry gets you there, one way or another. And believe me, even the desert locations Stateside, ‘suck’. Try Orchard Maneuver Area or the National Training Center in August; you’ll chew cactus in order to get some water. Especially in MOPP-4.
“But he knows that he and his buddies have a job to do for America.” — h. taylor
Obviously he knows more than you do.
“All the service men and women have no choice, unless they should be called unpatriotic in fighting this senseless war.” — h. taylor
Bull-pucky. They had a ‘choice’ when they decided to raise their right hand and swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies foreign and domestic. Same choice I had 27 years ago.
As for the war being ‘senseless’, I suspect you are, once again, projecting.
“You can call me what you like, but if Obama is giving my brother and all his buddies over there the “change” he needs to get out of Iraq. All my money, time, and effort will be with Obama’s plan.” — h. taylor
Going backrupt, eh?
Please tell me which charities you’ll be relying on. I’ll refrain from giving to them.
“So take you’re small time, no useful, ill-informed rhetoric somewhere and stick it up someone else’s a***.” — h. taylor
Oh. And NOW the name-calling begins in earnest. How….uh….Democratic of you.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 12:46 pm 49. newscaper:The ONLY way Obama should get any credit for this is if he were to specifically acknowledge he was wrong to suggest quiting when things were much more difficult over there.
To say he is for continuing the effort now, when it is much better, taken alone, is inadequate. For him to still stand by his earlier stance (Back then it looked like a lost cause, but things have changed) should earn him no points for anything more than expediency. Why do I say this? All he is proving that he follows the path of least resistance, the exact opposite of leadership.
Real leadership consists of seeing things thru when they are difficult. Taking his ‘cut and run’ advice backin the darker time would have guaranteed that we would *not* be inthe imporved situation today.
Jul 5, 2008 - 12:48 pm 50. Chuck Pelto:TO: h. taylor
RE: Time In-Country, Addendum
“I like to see my brother come home if only for a little while. After serving 3 of the 5 years of Bush/Cheney War….– h. taylor
You’ve got something of a contradiction here. You say he’s been in-country for “3 of the 5 years”. The implication of your earlier comment, in which you said, “I like to see my brother come home if only for a little while,” implies that he has not been home in all that time.
Which is it?
Has he been home “if only for a little while” or not?
Furthermore, if you don’t care for the rotation period, maybe you should consider how Mr. Bill did a hatched job on the standing divisions during his administration.
Or, are you willing to increase the standing combat formations of the US Army in order to take some of the strain off of your brother?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 1:18 pm 51. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out.]
P.S. What’s This??!??!?
““So take you’re small time, no useful, ill-informed rhetoric somewhere and stick it up someone else’s a***.” — h. taylor
You make sodomy sound like something ‘bad’. Are you REALLY a ‘progressive’?
Jul 5, 2008 - 1:20 pm 52. Anonymous:Well Chucky, seems to me you got out before the Iraq war or you’ii still be there. OR are you an old retired has been that feel your life wasn’t fulfilled. I like the “doorstep” line, but by beening in Iraq
Jul 5, 2008 - 1:40 pm 53. Chuck Pelto:TO: Anonymouse
RE: Where Am I?
“Well Chucky, seems to me you got out before the Iraq war.” — Anonymouse
What’s this? You want my bio-summary? Towards what end? Or are you just trying to be coy?
Suffice it to say my retirement was 1997.
“….or you’ii still be there. OR are you an old retired has been that feel your life wasn’t fulfilled.” — Anonymouse
I’ll admit that I do feel like a retired fire-department Dalmatian, chained to a box next to the station. When the trucks roll, I want to go along.
What’s your point here? Furthermore, what does it have to do with the topic under discussion?
“I like the “doorstep” line, but by beening in Iraq” — Anonymouse
As General U.S. Grant said, “The enemy ain’t got army enough.”
We out-number them, in combatants. We have the technical ‘edge’ on them. We have the initiative. This all leads to ultimate victory; as long as we have the political ‘will’ to achieve it.
What’s your point here?
And I remind you, we did not start this fight. This fight began on 11 September 2001, when four Islamist-hijacked planes slammed into US soil killing nearly 3000 people of American and other nationality origin; men, women AND children.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 1:55 pm 54. Chuck Pelto:[In combat morale is to physical as 9 to 1. -- Napoleon]
P.S. “Has been”?
Care to stop by and see me sometime?
Wear body armor…..
[God made men. Colt made men equal.]
Jul 5, 2008 - 1:58 pm 55. h. taylor:So Chucky, What is it? You been in it for twenty seven years, which make you an expert or just a washed-up old, tried-a** has-been. Have you ever tour Iraq? If you have then, Why are you here? Instead of sending me this bogus blog, join your brothers in arms in the fight for what Bush call our fight with terrorism. There was no terrorist in Iraq, before this war. Terrorist came to Iraq when Bush started it. Where are the WMDs that were so worldly pronounced. Tell me something? If you think by writing your so-call essay will change many people minds about this war, or about the Bush/Cheney worthless policies, you need to go and refresh yourself about how this war started from the beginning, and play forward instead rewinding. If you like the Bush/Cheney way of life that’s cool with me, but for those of us who have to differ are suffering from their mistakes. Especially on issues concerning putting people lives at stake for their own selfish purposes. A fine line is drawn in the sand for me and 80% of Americans for this stupid war to come to a close (excluding you and your neocon brothers, of course) So my take on this issue is it doesn’t matter to me what you and your other neocon buddies has to say about whether or not Obama will withdraw troop in a careful, fashionable manner. What matter to me is that he does and he will.
Jul 5, 2008 - 2:05 pm 56. h. taylor:What’s up, Chucky old man? Are you at a lost for words? Withdrawing from Iraq will be the most sensible “Mission Accomplished” move a president can make. Take the fight to the terrist in Afganistan and stop appeasing the Iraqi government for the sake of oil. You just don’t get it, do you? Our servicemen and women will never accomplish peace in that part of the region because of Iranian involvement. It will be a ongoing war that we will be fighting along with the Iraqis. So don’t kid yourself in believing that we will suffer no more causuaties while over there, because we will. Musaqta is just waiting to regroup and be re-armed his milita by Iran and then he will force American to fight as long as we occupy their land. So stop being naive.
Jul 5, 2008 - 2:45 pm 57. Porkov:Yeah, we don’t need no stinking oil!
Jul 5, 2008 - 3:25 pm 58. Terry Gain:h.taylor,
Your claim that “the war is lost” isn’t credible, and among those of us who follow developments in Iraq hasn’t been for at least nine months.
You obviously aren’t very perceptive as it appears obvious that you haven’t noticed that the topic of this thread is that even the darling of the pacificists is no longer willing to try selling that tale. He is instead trying to figure out how to convince the public that they should elect as CIC someone whose judgment on Iraq was no better than the h. taylors of this world.
Jul 5, 2008 - 3:49 pm 59. Dave Surls:“There was no terrorist in Iraq, before this war.”
One of the numerous oft-repeated lies told by leftys in order to justify their treason.
Present in Iraq were Abu Nidal (died under mysterious circumstances shortly before the U.S. led invasion), Abu Abbas (captured by U.S. forces), Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (killed by U.S. forces), and most of the membership of MEK (captured by by U.S. forces). All of those individuals/groups had carried out attacks in which innocent Americans were murdered in cold blood, and all of them except (possibly) Zarqawi were backed by the Iraqi government.
No matter how much lefty traitors lie, it won’t change the truth.
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:04 pm 60. Terry Gain:Dave Surls
Lets also mention WTC bomber Abdul Rahman Yasin who was not only in Iraq but on the payroll of that other unmentioned terrorist Saddam Hussein.
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:15 pm 61. Frank Parkerson:Yes, but is it a “change of heart”, or simply a change of message to secure votes?
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:20 pm 62. Chuck Pelto:TO: h. taylor
RE: Has Been?
Better to be a ‘has been’ than a ‘never been’, buckie.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 5, 2008 - 4:33 pm 63. edw:[All men think meanly of themselves for never having been a soldier.]
I don’t keep track of the monster truck circuit, but has anyone developed a super jacked up bus that can actually roll over all the people and principles Obama keeps throwing under it?
Jul 5, 2008 - 7:11 pm 64. Henry Gomez:We should applaud Barack Obama for finally adopting a reasonable position after capturing the nomination of his party by adopting an unreasonable (surrender and leave a giant mess behind) position?
Jul 5, 2008 - 7:24 pm 65. John Samford:“I predict that Obama will lose Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. He may pick up a state or two in the (formerly) solid south or west”
Don’t know about that, I’m Southern and avoid Yankees. Ohhhhh….BAAMA will not win ANY states in the South. None, the pollsters that say he will are deeeep into the crack pipe. Not sure about out west. Got relatives in California and Nevada and they say that NObama has no chanca. I think Ca is in play for the Republicans because almost 40% of the RV are Hispanic.
Jul 5, 2008 - 8:42 pm 66. Thomas Hazlewood:No, Ohhhhhh……BAMA could be looking at a major blowout. His best chance of keeping it close is the young voters. The problem there is the same one Kerry, Gore, et. al. had. The young voters talk a good game but when it’s time to go down and vote, they can’t seem to find the time.
Mr Owens, Do not confuse a change of face with a change of heart! 20 years in the pews with Reverend Wright aptly demonstrates where his heart lies. His home is on the far left.
It amazes that intelligent people can so blithely accept his constant churning of positions as ‘refinements’ and ‘evolutions’. Do you truly believe he’s suddenly acquired new insight and, ZAP!, has changed his mind on so many issues? Is it believable that the thousands of left-wingers he’d bring into office as president would happily accept Obama’s newfound insights (which assumes that these, too, have not been cast aside)?
It’s discouraging to be advised that the better liar a candidate is, the more ‘pragmatic’ he is, and that that is a good thing for America.
Jul 6, 2008 - 12:42 am 67. Forest Gump:“Yes, but is it a “change of heart”, or simply a change of message to secure votes?”
Chuck(les)….THERE’S a question, (courtesy of Frank), that makes my point about Obama’s “hypocrisy” vs. his being NOW FOREVER KNOWN as “untrustworthy”!
Hypocrisy is only in the eye of the beholder, and even then is mainly subjective. We view someone’s actions as not jiving with their words…but it is only OUR perspective and OUR belief that makes it so…and who really cares anyway?
UNTRUSTWORTHY is not being able to believe ANYTHING that comes out of his mpouth now, because it will only change later when he feels like it, for whatever political purpose serves HIM best.
Obama got one thing right though:
“CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN” is his TRUE slogan!
It now means we can ALL believe he will change his mind when it suits him!
Jul 6, 2008 - 12:51 am 68. Chuck Pelto:TO: Forest GUmp
RE: [OT] Definitions of Hypocrisy and Untrustworthy; a Quibble
“Hypocrisy is only in the eye of the beholder, and even then is mainly subjective.” — Forest Gump
I disagree. Hypocrisy is not in the eye of the beholder. It is saying one think and doing another. And, by lying about what one believes as manifested by doing something different, someone becomes ‘untrustworthy’ because they are a liar.
RE: Agreement
But we are agreed that Obama is untrustworthy.
He’ll throw anyone under the bus to get where he wants to go.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour -- Proverbs]
P.S. Being thrown under a bus sounds like that sort of treatment to me….
Jul 6, 2008 - 6:10 am 69. Chuck Pelto:TO: h. taylor
RE: [OT] Loss for Words?
“What’s up, Chucky old man? Are you at a lost for words?” — h. taylor
Hardly. But my response to your earlier quip was rather long on facts about WMDs. And it apparently didn’t pass muster with the moderator. Too many links to articles over the last few years proving they WERE in Iraq and WERE moved to Syria.
Give me your e-mail and I’ll send you the list. But in the meantime, did you see the item up on Fox this morning? About yellowcake in Iraq?
Then, just to get your ‘motor revved-up’ about this war, dig the item on Drudge about why so many monkeys are being sold to Iran. Looks like someone’s been reading Tom Clancy’s Executive Orders. And maybe Rainbow Six as well. Either that or Iranians have a sudden taste for iced monkey brains.
HAVE the Iranians been looking at weaponizing ebobla?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 6, 2008 - 6:16 am 70. Chuck Pelto:P.S. ERRATA….
The Iraqi Yellowcake story is at Drudge. Not Fox…..
Jul 6, 2008 - 6:20 am 71. Chuck Pelto:P.P.S. It’s also up on InstaPundit, titled….
SADDAM’S NON EXISTENT NUCLEAR PROGRAM HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN:
How do you prefer your crow?
Jul 6, 2008 - 9:43 am 72. HillaryforPresident:steven j stevens:
“SEEMS LIKE OBAMA IS STARTING TO REALIZE WHAT HILLARY CLINTON ALREADY KNEW AND TOLD THE COUNTRY…THAT ONE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE SLOWLY ON THE WITHDRAWAL….IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OBAMA’S WAVERING IS BRING HIM INTO THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMP…I SAY DUMP OBAMA AT THE CONVENTON AND INSTALL HILLARY CLINTON AS THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE IB HIS PLACE..AND CHOOSE OBAMA FOR THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL SLOT WHERE HE CAN GAIN EXPIRENCE FOR THE A RUN IN 2016″
*****
Steve, that’s gonna happen. Our Democratic Party has now been besieged by the socialists and communists. As per much research, communists call it “fusion strategy” where third party like CPUSA and Democratic Socialists of America will select and grow within a major party (Harrington of CPUSA publicly announced the selection of Democratic Party as the host for communist).
I long remembered my president JFK said that when America went to war, the two parties must join together and ensure America would win (case of Vietnam War opposed by Republicans being unjust too). Now we were in the opposite. Sadly, those so-called Republicans for Convenience were the communists during that time.
In the same token, these Anti-War groups (headed by Obama) are actually communists. See CPUSA principle of non-military aggression to promote socialism.
In conclusion, Howard Dean is central to the communists/socialists working within the Democratic Party. They will never give the opposition to Hillary. Our efforts will likely be in vain. I verified a Republican information that Dean hosted communists sometime in 2006, and it was true.
In 2006, All traditional democrats lost their posts and chances against the communist Democrats using the ploy that the ordinary democrats also supported the war.
If Hillary loses the nomination, we need to ensure Obama will lose this election and rebuild this Democratic Party again and cleanse the ranks. If Obama wins, Hillary will not have his chance until 2016. Obviously, communist democrats will have a new protege by then. Who knows, with a democrat president and socialist democrat-controlled congress, we can even expect a change in our constitution.
America is free and if the communists want a new party, then let them do it. But it should be in full transparency.
Hillary is a victim of this subtle communism at work. Unless we understand the ramification that, we will never take back our Party from the reigning socialists.
Jul 7, 2008 - 4:06 am 73. mike:To the John Stamford blog that said Truman is among our list of unprincipled presidents, you, John Stamford, haven’t the slightest idea of the meaning of “unprincipled”. You could agree or disagree with Harry’s principles but to say he didn’t have any is just plain stupid. And so typical of the far-left. No wonder Obama has problems pleasing you people. He should cut you off and let you drown.
Jul 7, 2008 - 6:27 am 74. Ed Wallis:“Hillary4Prez,” Though I disagree that Hillary is the best candidate [vis a vis socialism vs. freedom in the USA - please note her outrageously priced socialized medicine proposal for one], you make an interesting point: when you look at today’s Germany, your concern is exactly what is happening with their Democrat’s Party (SPD - Social Democrats) losing ever more support to the former-Communist, now neo-Socialist Party (Die Linke, pronounced dee LIN-kah)…and guess which will mesh into the other within the next 20 years. The Socialist Left in the US must be purged from the legitimate political parties. Can the Democrats do it? I hope so.
Jul 7, 2008 - 7:38 am 75. megapotamus:I could live with Barry being sensible about the war, it doesn’t surprise me in the least that he is, only idiocy could support the Iraq position of the Dems lefty whakoes but only that idiocy could beat Hillary Clinton. And as everyone sees, that was the purpose of that position and it had no other. Barry does not know what he thinks. He doesn’t, apparently, think much of anything except what the polling of the moment says and he has only a tenuous grasp on that. This boob didn’t know what “undivided Jerusalem” means on the international stage. He doesn’t know how many states there are. He doesn’t know where oil comes from. He doesn’t know a damn thing except tactical politics and there he has parlayed a ruthlessness with less ruth than a Clinton far more skillfully than any policy, principle or postion. It is a disgrace that he has gotten so far.
Jul 7, 2008 - 9:23 am 76. Brian H:Chuck;
also relevant is a variation on that old quote I came across: “Oh, what tangled webs we weave; When first we practice to Believe!”
Rationalization Rules!
Jul 8, 2008 - 11:16 am 77. Chuck Pelto:TO: Brian H
RE: Rationalization
“Rationalization Rules!” — Brian H
More appropriately….
“The field behind rhetoric is oft mined with equivocation.”
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 8, 2008 - 1:12 pm 78. John Samford:[Oratory: A conspiracy between speech and action to cheat understanding.]
Chuck Pelto.
Saddam DID have WMD and lots of it. That is a matter of record. Enough evidence to get a conviction in court, if there was any reason to waste a court’s time with it.
The moonbats won’t face this bit of reality. It would completely destroy their worldview. The MSM keeps a lid on it, earning the big bucks they get from the Rabid Billionaires Club (hereafter RBC). Not that it matters anyway. Once you get started on a serious collection of lies, there is a tendency to over-do it. History will get it right.
Meanwhile, back on the home front, prepare for the ultimate flip-flop.
Ohhhhhhh……BAAAMA will release his Birth certificate, showing his father to be 87.5 % Arab. He will apologize for not being black, having been treated black all his life he just assumed, etc. etc. etc. Not a dry eye in the house. Then he will change his slogan from ‘Change you can believe in.’ to ‘Black like me’. and make the ultimate flip flop, from black to white. The suckers will eat it up.
We will then have our 6th black President.
http://www.geocities.com/cureworks1/5blkpres.htm
“All the business of war, and indeed all the business of life, is to endeavour to find out what you don’t know from what you do.” *
Jul 8, 2008 - 5:12 pm 79. Chuck Pelto:*
_Arthur Wellesley, Duke Of Wellington
TO: John Samford
RE: Hussein’s WMDs
“Saddam DID have WMD and lots of it. That is a matter of record. Enough evidence to get a conviction in court, if there was any reason to waste a court’s time with it.” — John Samford
You’re preaching to the choir, reverend.
I’m very familiar with Hussein’s history of using chemical weapons on Kurds and Iranians. I’m also familiar with his efforts towards achieving nuclear weapons. And likewise familiar with where his WMDs went just before US invaded; think Syria.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jul 9, 2008 - 7:01 am 80. Washington Post Calls Obama’s Iraq Speech “Irrational” | THE HOT JOINTS:[...] When he spoke on July 3rd about visiting Iraq and further “refining” his position, it caused on uproar on the looney left. By around four o’clock that afternoon, Obama held a second press [...]
Jul 16, 2008 - 8:13 am 81. LaBolt:Alinsky has taught him well. In other words, he will say whatever it takes to gain power, regardless of what it is he would actually do, God forbid, if he was able to bamboozle the electorate enough to pull all of the fraud votes that will come flooding his way and then become the most powerful leader in the world.
Sep 8, 2008 - 12:09 am 82. Obama's Foreign Policy Stance:..]Barack Obama is the Democratic candidate for president. His advisers in foreign policy are generally Democrats. Together they carry with them an institutional memory of the Democratic Party’s approach to foreign policy, and are an expression of the complexity and divisions of that approach. Like the their Republican counterparts, in many ways they are going to be severely constrained as to what they can do both by the nature of the global landscape and American resources. But to some extent, they will also be constrained and defined by the tradition they come from. Understanding that tradition and Obama’s place is useful in understanding what an Obama presidency would look like in foreign affairs…]
Sep 27, 2008 - 3:20 pm