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1. Ed Graef:

While fast-tracking Alternative energy sounds great; the reality is there are some 150 million + cars on America’s roads and the average life of an auto is 17 years.

No alternative fuel fairy will change the fact we have a very large fleet of existing autos that require gasoline tomorrow, the next day, the day after that…

Sep 9, 2008 - 1:23 am 2. J.J. Sefton:

To the extent that we need an alternative to petroleum, I would agree and have always felt so. But we are a petroleum based economy. We MUST drill, anywhere and everywhere while at the same time funding a concerted effort for alternatives that will allow a smooth transition from petroleum within 50-60 years. A Strategic Energy Initiative, if you will. Jobs created in both the drilling and research sectors will be in the hundreds of thousands and we will wean ourselves from foreign all. The Republicans get it. The enviro lefties? Not so much.

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:11 am 3. beerstine:

Bridget…One note of correction. Referendum C loosened mandated spending caps the Taxpayers Bill Of Rights (a separate measure) required. This is what the Democrats had been dying for and what conservatives (but not necessarily all Republicans) in Colorado were so angry about. A number of moderate and big business Republicans got on the spending gravy train and that’s what split the party. The Dems are trying every loophole they can find to raise taxes via new “interpretations” of existing laws and are targeting oil and gas severance tax hikes through another initiative this year.

Though there’s now support for more drilling in Colorado, Republicans in Tom Tancredo’s open 6th District (south Denver metro suburbs) rejected a Congressional candidate in a primary who ran hard on the issue. It’s not certain whether this will be a winning strategy among the larger base where Independents have the largest percentage and tend to vote for the most centrist looking candidate, whether they really are or not.

The Dems have been outspending the Republicans in Colorado largely due to outside money from a small number of extremely wealthy and liberal benefactors who organize 527s to evade some rather draconian spending limits in local races. Money is also flowing in from out of state by the truckload and the Republicans are way behind in defending Schaffer from the smears.

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:21 am 4. elixelx:

Why are the DemoPacrats, following their leader’s off-tune piping, introducing policy ideas with the adverbial phrase “As I’ve ALWAYS said….”, usually about something they said for the first time yesterday, or worse, to hide the fact that they’ve NEVER said it before?

Obama has been saying it forever; Biden said it to Brokaw yesterday, and here’s Udall saying it…

One would have thought that these geniuses would know what that adverb of time, ALWAYS, is supposed to mean!

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:26 am 5. Charlie:

For the past few years, Obama has been promoting support for alternative energy comprehensive plans!

Sep 9, 2008 - 4:19 am 6. Jarhead:

Not sure what “alternative energy comprehensive plans” are or how he is supporting them (certainly not by writing legislation).

What Obama has been doing is voting for ethanol subsidies to transfer my tax dollars into the pockets of Illinois farmers.

Sep 9, 2008 - 4:39 am 7. WR Jonas:

What are the Democrat plans for lawn mowers, outboard motors , airplanes , heavy and light constuction equipment,all of the other things which require fossil fuel? Are we just supposed to recreate our entire society because Democrats feel uncomfortable with oil? I think the left is a collection of empty headed fools.
They don’t have a single valid answer. Only a bunch of hopeless notions that melt in the actual realm of the real world.

Sep 9, 2008 - 6:41 am 8. chicago:

Obama and the democrats energy plan is simply to keep evergy prices high and ensure that tax revenues remain high. only a few weeks ago, the democrats admited that they like to keep gas prices high and there was even talk of increasing the gas tax by another 10 cents.

Pelosi’s call for Natural Gas is also foolhardy since there’s no way we can have more natural gas unless we drill more wells. Pelosi and Pickens will benefit in the increase of natural gas prices through their investment with CLNE. the less Natural Gas supply and increase in usage (as Pickens is pitching that Natural gas be used in cars more) would ensure an increase in natural gas prices that would affect millions of household using natural gas for cooking and heating.

the alternative energy that democrats are promising are not even ready to be a raliable energy source. the national grid can not store wind and solar energy effectively since storage stations (with large battery capacity) can’t come on line at a low price. if we reduce the use of coal and natural gas for electricity and replace them with wind and solar right now, you will have blackouts all across the country as wind and solar can’t supply the needed electricity during peak hours.

the democrats are trying to fool the people into thinking that wind and solar can replace 20% of our electricity needs right now which is not the case.

nuclear power is our best chance for reliable clean electricity and increasing domestic oil and natural gas production is our best chance in reducing foreign oil. all other alternative energy projects wil take decades to satisfy even just a quarter of the country’s energy needs. it’s very irresponsible for the political democrat hacks to say that we can be energy independent in just a decade.

Sep 9, 2008 - 6:48 am 9. Self-hating boomer:

“Alternative” tells you what it isn’t, not what it is. You’re not going to get any clarification. They claim to have the solution in that bag, but they won’t show you what’s in it. Would you buy a pig-in-a-poke?

Sep 9, 2008 - 7:29 am 10. AdrianS:

Over 70% of Americans agree! Drill here (in offshore America) and drill now.

The Democrat congress took off at a time when Americans were paying the highest gas prices ever! The Democrat congress was told by Nancy Peloso to lie to their constituents by saying that they were for drilling even when they were not. She’s despicable.

Democrats have refused to return to congress to, with the Republicans, do whatever is needed in an effort, no matter how great or how trivial, to force gas prices down. This at a time when the polls show that Americans want more drilling.

But the Democrats have their own agenda. And Nancy Pelosi, I trust, will not be reelected. As well, I hope many of the Democrats in congress will NOT be reelected either.

No matter how long it takes to make America energy independent, we must start now. And, those that oppose America’s energy independence are working for our enemies, at their peril, and are traitors to American’s freedom.

Sep 9, 2008 - 9:53 am 11. David Thomson:

“The Democrat congress was told by Nancy Peloso to lie to their constituents by saying that they were for drilling even when they were not.”

Barack Obama and the Democrats are trying to con the American people into believing they are for “oil drilling within an overall comprehensive package.” This is pure bovine excrement. They know very well that their environmental extremists allies will tie up very everything in the courts and through so-called impact studies. Can the MSM help them pull of this scam job? Oh well, we will know for sure on the fourth of November.

Sep 9, 2008 - 10:38 am 12. cedarford:

Democrats, if they are pragmatic, can take the drilling issue off the table with a vote to rescind the ban.

Republicans, if they are smart, will buck their corporatist paymasters and accept some conservation measures. But hold the line and perhaps derail the Democrats by insisting on not more regulatory layers and delays as a price for a Dem ban-reversing vote or very limited new drilling areas - but insisting on less regulatory delays, limited time for court challenge, and drilling just about everywhere, including ANWR.

Sep 9, 2008 - 1:23 pm 13. Senav:

Typical Dems. They wouldn’t know the truth if it bit them in the rear.

Sep 9, 2008 - 2:32 pm 14. Bagua:

“…that the politically correct energy barometer might have it.”

Presumably mercury free.

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:19 pm 15. kabud:

are we going to trust geological science or not?

because it claims that USA only has 3% of world oil reserves and 3% of world natural gas !!!!

Natural Gas-
proven reserves (billion m³)

World 172,000
1 Russia 47,570
2 Iran 26,370
3 Qatar 25,790
4 Arabia Saudi Arabia 6,568 2006 est.
5 United Arab Emirates 5,823 2006 est.
6 United States 5,551
—————–

Any questions?

You can only drill a hole in your head.

But we have 25% of world coal.
And enourmous amount of biomas:

so for 200 billion $ we can create a methanol industry in several month that will make oil/n-gas obsolete resource!

And will reduce the value of our ENEMY reserves to zero.

We must mandate this and put a ban to use oil/gas out of simple national security
consideration

if if we dont-

dont be surprise when you hear a huge KABOOOM

its is a russian nuclear explosion coming to your home town

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:26 pm 16. Bagua:

WR Jonas: said “What are the Democrat plans for lawn mowers, outboard motors , airplanes , heavy and light constuction equipment,all of the other things which require fossil fuel? Are we just supposed to recreate our entire society because Democrats feel uncomfortable with oil?”

Good point, but don’t forget the countless other things derived from oil, including; fertilizer, plastics, medicines, pesticides, nylon, and the list goes on and on. Everything from the food we eat to the heart valves surgeons use are made from oil, and most everything else is made while using oil. There is no economic alternative. We need fossil fuels, they are the foundation of our modern way of life.

Furthermore Crude Oil and Natural Gas are organic, the product of plants and animals which have been composted by heat, pressure and time, just like the garden compost made from leaves.

Fossil Fuel is the true Green Fuel! And its production has far less impact on the environment than wasteful “alternatives” like ethanon, wind and hydro-electric.

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:28 pm 17. Bagua:

oops, ethanol, not “ethanon”

Ps. This whole “drilling ban” fiasco could well cost the Democrats nationwide in both the House and Senate this fall.

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:30 pm 18. kabud:

DRILLERS ARE VERY DANGEROUS IDIOTS BECAUSE DRILLING AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO BE BIULD IS COSTLY AND WILL NOT BE NEEDED IN 10 YEARS

Reserve in 10 000 000 000 bbl years to last

Saudi Arabia 260 81
Canada 179 182
Iran 136 96
Iraq 115 85
Kuwait 99 108
United Arab Emirates 97 106
Venezuela 80 91
Russia 60 17
Libya 41.5 63
Nigeria 36.2 43
United States 21 11
Mexico 12 10

Total of top twelve reserves
1,137 65

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:36 pm 19. kabud:

souce:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_reserves

Reserve to Production ratio (in years), calculated as reserves / annual production. (from above)

means:
if canadian reserve of 179 billion barrels
(second in the world)

will be extracted at the pace of current USA consumption of
20 million barrels A DAY

it will be finished in less then 20 years

CAPISH?

Sep 9, 2008 - 3:44 pm 20. kabud:

i have to make a correction:
USA and Canadian oil reserves may actually last little longer then 20 years

it will depend on several factors including

exports from other oil producers
consumption patterns
alternative solutions like alcohols

But anyway, Exxon stated recently that for them it is not an option to invest in any new infrastructure or even drilling: it is not a good idea economically

It may turn out to be a next financial BUBBLE :
this DRILLING legend:

`they` will drill and federal government will pay the bill

So we will have even more socialism in USA

Much more then with housing now.

Sep 9, 2008 - 6:58 pm 21. Rubicon:

We cannot drill ourselves out of our energy mess. However, we also cannot not drill & expect a magical solution to a decades old issue.
We really do need to “bridge” ourselves into whatever alternative energy sources that can be developed. But, that bridge must last us about 20 to 30 years. Therefore drilling now, will give us the breathing room needed to have time to develop alternatives.
We also need to approach the energy issues from an all position, not a one position. We need to pursue oil, gas, wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, clean coal, coal liquification & gasification, fusion?, cosmic rays?… who knows, that we need to embrace.
Doing nothing is NOT an option. Making one more difficult than the other is NOT the option. We cannot keep sending billions overseas while we sit on our own resources doing nothing.
Our competitors in the economic & the security arenas will explore all & use whatever they can to best us & put us down.

Sep 9, 2008 - 8:46 pm 22. Geraldine:

It seems a little strange that those defending Governor Palin did not know her 2 weeks ago but now seem to know everything she stands for and who she is (and have no issues with the passing over of Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Mitt Romney, etc for less of the known quantity).

It seems that even though Sen. McCain disparaged the ‘celebrity’ status of Sen. Obama, he obviously envied it enough to go out and look for his own ‘rock’ star (and now cannot campaign without her).

It seems that if there was more out there about Sen. Obama’s past it would have been ‘discovered’ by now, don’t you think? This is the country that specializes in building up its public personas just so that it can have fun tearing them down. The news media would rather be first in ratings than cover up for anyone so it seems that if there was something that was a bombshell it would have been exploded by now by any outlet wanting to be ‘first’ with the breaking story. It may be that there isn’t much more to find out, and that there is a certain level of incredulity that a candidate doesn’t have that much in his closet except great suits, amazing ties and possibly clean shoes (and regular underwear I hope). The same seems to be true of Sen. McCain. Or is the reasoning that Sen. Obama’s negro origins and political aspirations predispose him to having ‘dirt’?

It is also something that men are the ones giving Gov. Palin the bounce in the polls (see today’s reports). Doesn’t say much for the males and their rational skills. Plays into what women already know instinctively and what Sen. McCain now knows and is pointing out to you: a pretty face (or a broomstick wearing a skirt (not that Gov. Palin is a broomstick as she wears her skirts very well) is enough to make you lose your minds - even over something as serious as the next Presidential pick. Whether it is Sen. McCain or Sen. Obama, it is too serious an issue to be clouded over by the foolishness that is expressed on some of these blogs passing for political thought and argument.

Question: Doesn’t anyone else have a little gut check question (sense of uneasiness) about this particular Republican VP pick? I think females probably sense it more than males. Should Sen. McCain win the White House, it might become very apparent and very painful when Gov. Palin comes face-to-face with the specious reason for her selection. And if the other party wins, Gov. Palin will be blamed and savaged. But she seems sturdy enough to deal with whatever comes.

It was frightening to read one of the commentaries on this site questioning where Sen. Obama is from. It seems he was born to an American, and even if that was outside of the US, he seems to have the right to claim his US citizenship. His mother is not here to speak for him but his grandma and relatives claim him fully. The reaction begs the question, what is wrong with this particular American? ie. Sen. Obama. Could it really be that he doesn’t look like what you are used to in your presidential candidates and this challenges some deeply held gut beliefs (yes - it is the fearful ‘race’ question).

Interesting days are yet ahead in this continuing race. Enjoy.

Sep 9, 2008 - 9:58 pm 23. Herb:

So when we start drilling and we still have this massive energy issue, what then? Is there a plan B?

Sep 10, 2008 - 7:21 am 24. kabud:

I am 10000% for Sarah Palin.

She is my hero,
but as far as drilling- it need a very close attention.

Sarah gives you drilling idea because YOU WANT IT.

And may be because she is from Alaska.
Alaska has estimated oil and n-gas reserves that may run our cars and electric generating stations for couple of years, may be 5 years at maximum.

So in case of Alaska it may make sense to drill more. But WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT? WHEN ALASKA IS DONE?

Any one here KNOWS the COST of DRILLING?

Drilling is different:

for example drilling in DAKOTA became profitable only at the oil price over $50 or may be even $75

Also : don’t we have to leave some oil in the ground for the future? Well, i don’t mean that homosexuals will care- they don’t have children, but NORMAL FOLKS?

Do you care? Does Palin care?

And we must remember that KREMLIN has plans to take over Alaska. For real. Like in Georgia.
And Kremlin had 40 thousand nukes in 1989. And we dont know if they were EVER destroyed.

We only have 6000 or so. If kremlin goes to war- they shoot first on our launchers and submarines.

Sep 10, 2008 - 8:24 am 25. Bill:

Solar, Wind, nuclear, Bio, etc, etc should all be used. In other words do all the Above including oil and natural gas. One problem that wind, solar, nuclear, etc have is that those alt energy sources do not produce ONE additional product. Not one! Here’s a short list of just some of the things derived from petroleum:

Ammonia, Anesthetics, Antihistamines, Artificial limbs, Artificial Turf, Antiseptics, Aspirin, Auto Parts, Awnings, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Beach Umbrellas, Boats, Cameras, Candles, Car Battery Cases, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cortisones, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Dice, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Faucet Washers, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Preservatives, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Heart Valves, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Oil Filters, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn

Sep 10, 2008 - 8:34 am 26. AdrianS:

Democrats believe that any worthwhile argument is a chance to push more government down American’s throats. Obama is a run-of-the-mill liberal with a special kink: Obama is more of a radical socialist than any other.

Besides, on issues such as abortion, Obama’s character borders on the macabre:

Barack Obama promotes a Comfort Room (a room to allow born-alive aborted babies to die). Satanic.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67328

Sep 10, 2008 - 8:37 am 27. kabud:

I very much advice to everyone this publication on drilling:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/windmill-plan-offers-slim-energy-pickens/

ENERGY problem has 2 sides:

1.electricity. Here we are fine: 25% of world coal will take us ahead for hundreds of years

2.transportation fuel. Here we are screwed unless we institutionalize methanol and cellulose ethanol later.

Forget about electric cars- it is not happening.
Forget about shale oil - it is very expensive and infrastructure for its production is enourmously expensive and takes time to build.

But alcohols like methanol - we can totaly switch to it in several month and never ever use a pint of oil.

process is known as gasification for the last 200 years. It is basically: heating of any material with carbon without oxygen present, so:

coal, biomass, wood, garbage, crop residues, dry leaves, –> is turned into GAS, called SYGAS or any other name.

This gas is an ideal feed stock fot methanol or any chemical that we use oil to produce now.

Any plastic can be made from it.

Also this comment is very important:
———————-

Scottar:

3days

Your overlooking the economics. It will take a lot of concrete, copper and land to rigup that kind of power not to mention getting rite of way. The life span of those wind turbines is 20 years. The average yield has been a measly 20% and the windmill farms will be located far from the locations that need it most.

Then there’s the facts of the wind country of Denmark, king of windmills. It’s true windpower in Denmark accounts for 20% of Danish electrical production. However, Denmark does not ‘get’ 20% of it’s electricity form wind power. The windpower electricity is all exported to Sweden and Germany. It is not used because…it is unreliable. So when the Danes get some juice it is exported, unused and at a economic loss, to Sweden where it is used to pump water up into damns, in a way a battery bank. In Germany, it is dumped into the German power grid because Germany is so large, so electrical consuming that the half of Danish wind power it gets isn’t hardly notable. In a phrase, it is dumped, again at a loss to the Danes into the German grid.

The Danes get their electricity like the rest of us, by powerplants. That is what they keep and use. So to be more accurate, the 20% generated in Denmark is folded into the Danish/Swedish/German grid where that amount looks large in little Denmark but is tiny in Sweden and Germany. It’s like under 1%. All this is done at a loss.

Also, Denmark is the most perfect place in the world to put turbines. Again a unique environment. And the Danes themselves do not use this electricity. It is too costly, too unreliable so they pay the Swedes and Germans to take the electricity that they ‘dump’ into their electrical generation schemes. The Danes do not and can not use windpower in a modern economy. Neither can we. We can build it. We can do it, but we will have to pay to dump it. So, what is the point of this other than feeling good and burning money?

And much of Europe is building coal plants, not solar of wind farms as their consumers can’t subsidize all their power needs. Go to windaction-dot-org to read all the articles and letters against windfarms from everywhere. You talk more like an investor than an engineer. Wind is subsidized 14x+ the subsidy paid for nuclear and a whopping 53x that of coal. The same goes for solar, it can’t stand on it own.

Subsidies Paid
Coal $.44 per MWh
Nat. Gas $.25 per MWh
Nuclear $1.59 per MWh
Biomass $.89 per MWh
Geothermal $.92 MWh
Hydro $.67 per MWh
Solar $24.34 per MWh
Landfill gas $1.37 per MWh
Wind $23.37 per MWh

Wind energy would be better implemented on a smaller, local scale without heavy subsidization. Same with solar. Wind and solar farms would be best implemented on a research, prototype level till they become viable. Right now it’s and investors scam, like corn ethanol. Pickens already admitted that it was profit motivated and without government subsidization, with tax breaks, his proposal is ‘blowen in the wind’. So much for his pea pickens heart.

Sep 10, 2008 - 8:55 am 28. kabud:

Wind mill solution is a solution at a big loss
unless we take into account military presence of our forces around ME

The best and fastest CHANGE FOR THE BETTER we can do is:

1.METHANOL industry for transportation fuel agent

2.coal electric stations for the time needed to build nuclear stations for electricity in the number of hundreds

3.we should do everything possible to stop consuming oil and n-gas because more we burn it-
we create more ADDED value to oil and natural gas reserves at our enemy disposal(OPEC, RUSSIA)

Sep 10, 2008 - 9:12 am 29. Mr. D:

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Sep 10, 2008 - 6:48 pm 30. nick:

MR D is a liar

and Mccain wil give you $20 gas!

Sep 10, 2008 - 10:27 pm 31. nick:

rt wing religious zealot Schaffer will not beat udall.

Schaffer did not support Amendment 37 renewable energy requirement.

Sep 10, 2008 - 10:32 pm 32. Drilling Issue Could Kill Democrats’ Senate Hopes « Evynn’s Weblog:

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Sep 11, 2008 - 2:19 am 33. Dave Simon:

As I listen to all the B.S.from all the so called experts, I realize why nothing ever gets done. Fact is we need to drill anywhere we can. The trouble with that is as long as we buy from OPEC we will never be self sufficent. We have acted like spoiled brats in keeping our energy costs low in this country. Everybody wants to know why all this land is leased up by oil companies and never drilled on. The answer is its not cost effective for them to spend their money, when OPEC controls oil prices. It’s basically the same as a factory moving out of the country because of labor being cheaper.Have you ever looked at where all the products you use are made? Well if we don’t start looking at these things we will have no jobs in this country. Same thing in the in the oil industry. We have put ourselves in this position by buying the cheapest products and that includes oil. We need to stop importing oil from countries that hate us entirely and that needed to start a long time ago. We didn’t do it then so we need to start today, no matter what the cost is. Quit crying and buy American products. It’s the only way to keep Americans working and fix the problems we have.

Sep 11, 2008 - 5:42 am 34. Dave Simon:

BTW I wouldn’t mind $10.00 dollars a gallon for gas if that money was going to Americans!!!

Sep 11, 2008 - 7:59 am 35. Charles Hill:

Sarah Palin letter to Harry Reid on Energy Policy.
Is she a “Energy Expert”?
http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-letter-to-harry-reid-on.html

Any comments??

Sep 11, 2008 - 2:09 pm 36. kabud:

Dave Simon:

why dont you invest in drilling?

EXPLAIN

Sep 11, 2008 - 5:22 pm 37. Dave Simon:

kabud- I have worked on drilling rigs but wouldn’t want to invest in one. Way to much risk. lol Fact is we can’t produce oil as cheap as the mid-east.That puts our oil companies at a big risk. My point is if we didn’t import oil it would be alot more expensive but would be worth the extra cost to keep that money here instead of funding our enemies. Don’t believe all you hear about oil reserves. There is alot more oil here than people think but it is very expensive to locate. A 3000ft oil well can be put on pump in less than a month. I don’t quite buy the arguement that it would take 20 years for drilling to make a difference.

Sep 11, 2008 - 7:40 pm 38. kabud:

>kabud- I have worked on drilling rigs but wouldn’t want to invest in one.

But you call for drilling. You should not. because you push a WRONG agenda and taxpayers will have to cover this at the end. So: DONT.

>Way to much risk. lol Fact is we can’t produce oil as cheap as the >mid-east.That puts our oil companies at a big risk.

Of course. Even at the simple economic level it is so straight forward. But there is more to it: geopolitics. REAL COST OF OIL includes OUR MILITARY BUDGET and FUTURE COLOSSAL loss of lifes and cost of property destruction

that KREMLIN NUCLEAR AND BIOLOGICAL ATTACK will bring to USA.

We use oil at 20 mil bar a day - their oil GAINS in value as something SO NEEDED in the west- they acquire recourses and increase their nuclear and bioweapon potential. They already have 20 time nukes then we do.

>My point is if we didn’t import oil it would be a lot more expensive but >would be worth the extra cost to keep that money here instead of funding >our enemies.

We fund our enemies by USING oil. We can use methanol. methanol program was working in California in 80s-90s. 20000 methanol cars were build. Bush senior was promoting it. OPEC and Kremlin realized the danger and lowered oil price. Methanol project died. WE ARE NEXT TO DIE. YOU AND ME. AND OUR DEAR RELATIVES. Got to become serious man.

>Don’t believe all you hear about oil reserves. There is alot more oil here >than people think but it is very expensive to locate.

Does not matter. WAR matters. We use oil- OPEC and Russia increase their assets cost.

>A 3000ft oil well can be put on pump in less than a month. I don’t quite >buy the argument that it would take 20 years for drilling to make a >difference.

BUT YOU DON’T INVEST IN IT. BECAUSE YOU GUT FEELING IS RIGHT: oil is your death

Sep 12, 2008 - 9:51 am 39. Dave Simon:

kabud- my main point is that of T.Boone Pickens. I agree with you on alternative fuel sources but in the mean time we need to STOP importing oil from anywhere and drill baby drill!!! The best way to conserve oil is to raise the prices. Politicians won’t say that because it would surely be the end of their careers but fact is fact. And if we stopped importing oil I would have alot less fears about investing in oil and American oil companies would have alot less fears about spending their money on new oil and gas exploration.

Sep 15, 2008 - 3:50 pm 40. Dave Simon:

kabud- Bottom line is STOP IMPORTING OIL, then our enemies get no revenue from us. Its very simple!!!! You seem to be talking in circles!!! Are you a politician or perhaps a lobbyist? You have an agenda for sure!!! LOL

Sep 16, 2008 - 7:03 am

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