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	<title>Comments on: Drug Subs: David and Goliath on the High Seas</title>
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		<title>By: Sea Links &#171; New Wars</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/drug-subs-david-and-goliath-on-the-high-seas/comment-page-1/#comment-134757</link>
		<dc:creator>Sea Links &#171; New Wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phineas Wothington - Define criminal smugglers.  Back in 1761, King George V declared the colonies to be in rebellion, because they were crying out from everything having to be shipped to England, before it could be shipped to anywhere in the colonies.  The colonists took to smuggling to avoid this onerous cost and time (it took about 3 months, roundtrip) burden.  That&#039;s what the Boston Tea Party was about.  The &quot;smugglers weren&#039;t dealing in anything illicit, but just trying to engage in normal commerec without the gross interference by government and the King&#039;s favored big-business cronies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phineas Wothington &#8211; Define criminal smugglers.  Back in 1761, King George V declared the colonies to be in rebellion, because they were crying out from everything having to be shipped to England, before it could be shipped to anywhere in the colonies.  The colonists took to smuggling to avoid this onerous cost and time (it took about 3 months, roundtrip) burden.  That&#8217;s what the Boston Tea Party was about.  The &#8220;smugglers weren&#8217;t dealing in anything illicit, but just trying to engage in normal commerec without the gross interference by government and the King&#8217;s favored big-business cronies.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been addicted to opiate painkiller pills, I very heartily oppose execution, or even beatings or torture.  Withdrawal is quite torture enough, thanks.  Most addiction begins in circumstances such that by the time we realize we&#039;re addicted, it&#039;s too late to stop.

so, under the circumstances of addiction, I&#039;d like to amend #30 to propose that only non-addicted &#039;weekend recreational users&#039; of this sort of drug be executed.  :-)

but seriously, folks.  I did get off them, and without robbing anyone or running over any children.

YOu know why?  Because I came up against choices I COULD NOT MAKE, and getting off the drugs was easier than becoming a thug and a criminal.

If you remove the barriers of law, and therefore approve of and subsidize addiction, you put many millions more people in a bad place, people who right now are NOT there because they want to be good citizens.  With legalized drugs, nobody will feel they shouldn&#039;t use drugs.  The country would eventually collapse under the weight of mentally ill and otherwise useless people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been addicted to opiate painkiller pills, I very heartily oppose execution, or even beatings or torture.  Withdrawal is quite torture enough, thanks.  Most addiction begins in circumstances such that by the time we realize we&#8217;re addicted, it&#8217;s too late to stop.</p>
<p>so, under the circumstances of addiction, I&#8217;d like to amend #30 to propose that only non-addicted &#8216;weekend recreational users&#8217; of this sort of drug be executed.  <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>but seriously, folks.  I did get off them, and without robbing anyone or running over any children.</p>
<p>YOu know why?  Because I came up against choices I COULD NOT MAKE, and getting off the drugs was easier than becoming a thug and a criminal.</p>
<p>If you remove the barriers of law, and therefore approve of and subsidize addiction, you put many millions more people in a bad place, people who right now are NOT there because they want to be good citizens.  With legalized drugs, nobody will feel they shouldn&#8217;t use drugs.  The country would eventually collapse under the weight of mentally ill and otherwise useless people.</p>
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		<title>By: Shef Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shef Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment #30 does a wonderful job of illustrating the difference between conservatives and fascists.</description>
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		<title>By: BattleofthePyramids</title>
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		<dc:creator>BattleofthePyramids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are problems with simple solutions: Execute drug addicts.  Institute mandatory nationwide drug testing with mandatory natiuonwide executions for drug use, and the drug profits will stop.  Simple as that.  As for the cries of civil liberties, sorry, but if we expect soldiers and policemen to risk their lives to stop drugs, we should certainly put the lives of drug users at risk as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are problems with simple solutions: Execute drug addicts.  Institute mandatory nationwide drug testing with mandatory natiuonwide executions for drug use, and the drug profits will stop.  Simple as that.  As for the cries of civil liberties, sorry, but if we expect soldiers and policemen to risk their lives to stop drugs, we should certainly put the lives of drug users at risk as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Thatguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thatguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How expensive are 3&quot; shells? Stealthy craft, from a foreign country, probably armed, shoot first.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drug war--

some define it as &#039;government attempts to interdict supply&#039;..

I define it as &#039;people using drugs that wreck them physically, cause mental illness and make their behavior irrational.&#039;

NOT exactly something our society can tolerate.  Cocaine wrecks you mentally and physically.  Opiates, when kicked in, make you drowsy and physically slow.  What, you&#039;re going to make a law that says they can&#039;t drive or operate heavy machinery while on opiates?  In the first place, laws don&#039;t stop drunk driving.  In the second place, opiates are something you have to be on ALL THE TIME once you&#039;re hooked, or else it&#039;s withdrawal.  Opiates are worse than alcohol, which most drunks can stop drinking for several hours in the morning.

And dope smoking is like smoking twenty packs of cigarettes a day.  Eventually an addict (not everyone gets addicted to dope, of course) is a physical wreck who will need publicly financed medical care for emphysema or stroke or cancer, because he&#039;s spent all his money on dope and can&#039;t hold a job.

These are NOT OPTIONS for any society which wishes to remain productive and self-determinative.  Drugs, more or less, create slaves.  Make them legal and you have &#039;subsidized&#039; them, and you&#039;ve vastly expanded the number of dangerous or useless people to be cared for and fed by the rest of us.

There are only drunk drivers now, in excess, because it&#039;s not illegal to drink.  Imagine how many dangerous drivers you&#039;ll have at late stage cocaine addiction, opiate addiction and so forth.  People lose their MINDS over this stuff.  Do you want to work with them, drive with them, care for them, feed them?

It&#039;s bad enough now.  Without the putative attempts by our government to protect some of us from the rest of us by interdicting, America could change so radically that you wouldn&#039;t recognize it in twenty five years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drug war&#8211;</p>
<p>some define it as &#8216;government attempts to interdict supply&#8217;..</p>
<p>I define it as &#8216;people using drugs that wreck them physically, cause mental illness and make their behavior irrational.&#8217;</p>
<p>NOT exactly something our society can tolerate.  Cocaine wrecks you mentally and physically.  Opiates, when kicked in, make you drowsy and physically slow.  What, you&#8217;re going to make a law that says they can&#8217;t drive or operate heavy machinery while on opiates?  In the first place, laws don&#8217;t stop drunk driving.  In the second place, opiates are something you have to be on ALL THE TIME once you&#8217;re hooked, or else it&#8217;s withdrawal.  Opiates are worse than alcohol, which most drunks can stop drinking for several hours in the morning.</p>
<p>And dope smoking is like smoking twenty packs of cigarettes a day.  Eventually an addict (not everyone gets addicted to dope, of course) is a physical wreck who will need publicly financed medical care for emphysema or stroke or cancer, because he&#8217;s spent all his money on dope and can&#8217;t hold a job.</p>
<p>These are NOT OPTIONS for any society which wishes to remain productive and self-determinative.  Drugs, more or less, create slaves.  Make them legal and you have &#8217;subsidized&#8217; them, and you&#8217;ve vastly expanded the number of dangerous or useless people to be cared for and fed by the rest of us.</p>
<p>There are only drunk drivers now, in excess, because it&#8217;s not illegal to drink.  Imagine how many dangerous drivers you&#8217;ll have at late stage cocaine addiction, opiate addiction and so forth.  People lose their MINDS over this stuff.  Do you want to work with them, drive with them, care for them, feed them?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s bad enough now.  Without the putative attempts by our government to protect some of us from the rest of us by interdicting, America could change so radically that you wouldn&#8217;t recognize it in twenty five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Phineas Worthington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phineas Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weren&#039;t the signatures of many who signed the Declaration of Independence those of criminal smugglers?

And isn&#039;t a key difference between the war on drugs and the war on terror that no one consumes terror voluntarily?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t the signatures of many who signed the Declaration of Independence those of criminal smugglers?</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t a key difference between the war on drugs and the war on terror that no one consumes terror voluntarily?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there is plenty of legal justification for simply shooting first and asking questions later.  I&#039;m no maritime legal expert, but the military history I&#039;ve read gives a reason for the requirement of flying a flag.  Anyone who does not state his alignment by flying a flag is a hostile enemy in your waters.  Fire a broadside!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there is plenty of legal justification for simply shooting first and asking questions later.  I&#8217;m no maritime legal expert, but the military history I&#8217;ve read gives a reason for the requirement of flying a flag.  Anyone who does not state his alignment by flying a flag is a hostile enemy in your waters.  Fire a broadside!</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the just blow them out of the water crowd.  Time to see how well those Mark 48 torpedoes work against live targets.  Send a few Los Angelos and Seawolf Class attack subs after them, and watch them get blown out of the water.  As for nuke smuggling, the good news is that the sub would have to surface before they could detonate a nuclear weapon; otherwise the water would absorb the blast instead of the intended target.  Furthermore, they would have to surface inside of a harbor in order to get a major city within range.  A detonation on water leaves only minor fallout because the water droplets either quickly fall back to earth over the target area, or they wind up in the upper troposphere in clouds, where the radioisotopes may have several days to dissipate their radiation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the just blow them out of the water crowd.  Time to see how well those Mark 48 torpedoes work against live targets.  Send a few Los Angelos and Seawolf Class attack subs after them, and watch them get blown out of the water.  As for nuke smuggling, the good news is that the sub would have to surface before they could detonate a nuclear weapon; otherwise the water would absorb the blast instead of the intended target.  Furthermore, they would have to surface inside of a harbor in order to get a major city within range.  A detonation on water leaves only minor fallout because the water droplets either quickly fall back to earth over the target area, or they wind up in the upper troposphere in clouds, where the radioisotopes may have several days to dissipate their radiation.</p>
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