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	<title>Comments on: Elizabeth Edwards: Tragic Heroine or Enabling Conspirator?</title>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/elizabeth-edwards-tragic-heroine-or-enabling-conspirator/comment-page-1/#comment-93786</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Where exactly is the disconnect?&lt;/i&gt;

No disconnect.

Linking &quot;The Paeans&quot; didn&#039;t seem like an insult, to the writers of the paeans or to E. Edwards.

signed, 

paean-ed out

I feel sorry for Mrs. Edwards and the children. But the story will always be the (too many years now) we&#039;ve had to listen to the Two Americas, I feel pretty, $400 haircut guy who has ranted, among other things, about the travesty of un-wed mommies.

And the story will always be suppression of said story in the MSM until John himself was forced to fess up (more or less fess up, since a partial CYA telling is worse than a full telling), after which said MSM even tried to take credit for &quot;breaking&quot; the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Where exactly is the disconnect?</i></p>
<p>No disconnect.</p>
<p>Linking &#8220;The Paeans&#8221; didn&#8217;t seem like an insult, to the writers of the paeans or to E. Edwards.</p>
<p>signed, </p>
<p>paean-ed out</p>
<p>I feel sorry for Mrs. Edwards and the children. But the story will always be the (too many years now) we&#8217;ve had to listen to the Two Americas, I feel pretty, $400 haircut guy who has ranted, among other things, about the travesty of un-wed mommies.</p>
<p>And the story will always be suppression of said story in the MSM until John himself was forced to fess up (more or less fess up, since a partial CYA telling is worse than a full telling), after which said MSM even tried to take credit for &#8220;breaking&#8221; the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Katz Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Katz Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth Edwards, sadly, missed a great opportunity to speak out on behalf of a silenced population. Other women in her situation are not as fortunate as to have a high profile spouse who wants badly to appear &quot;good.&quot; The cheaters have little regard for the entire social contract, including rules governing fair play behind closed doors and in the courts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Edwards, sadly, missed a great opportunity to speak out on behalf of a silenced population. Other women in her situation are not as fortunate as to have a high profile spouse who wants badly to appear &#8220;good.&#8221; The cheaters have little regard for the entire social contract, including rules governing fair play behind closed doors and in the courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, sorry to play the spoiler here, dunces, but the correct usage of &#039;paean&#039; is as a non-modifying, reflexive, passive, perfective article, not unlike the common past-participle.

The correct usage of &#039;peon&#039; is as follows:
&quot;John Edwards is an deeply committed, upstanding member of our community and a beacon of promise for America&#039;s working poor.&quot;

&quot;Dude, please don&#039;t &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;peon&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; my leg and tell me it&#039;s raining&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, sorry to play the spoiler here, dunces, but the correct usage of &#8216;paean&#8217; is as a non-modifying, reflexive, passive, perfective article, not unlike the common past-participle.</p>
<p>The correct usage of &#8216;peon&#8217; is as follows:<br />
&#8220;John Edwards is an deeply committed, upstanding member of our community and a beacon of promise for America&#8217;s working poor.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Dude, please don&#8217;t <strong><em>peon</em></strong> my leg and tell me it&#8217;s raining&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Boulis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was my point:  the author of the original article -- Ms. Steinitz -- used the word &quot;paean&quot; correctly.  Ms. Gonzalez, however, in her comments above, seems to not be familiar with the word and is obviously confusing it with the word &quot;peon.&quot;  Where exactly is the disconnect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was my point:  the author of the original article &#8212; Ms. Steinitz &#8212; used the word &#8220;paean&#8221; correctly.  Ms. Gonzalez, however, in her comments above, seems to not be familiar with the word and is obviously confusing it with the word &#8220;peon.&#8221;  Where exactly is the disconnect?</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Women who have long idolized the plainspoken, unglamorous politician’s wife with a mind of her own, are chiming in with their paeans to Elizabeth as victim and heroine.&lt;/i&gt;

The word &quot;paean&quot; (as tribute) is used correctly in that sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Women who have long idolized the plainspoken, unglamorous politician’s wife with a mind of her own, are chiming in with their paeans to Elizabeth as victim and heroine.</i></p>
<p>The word &#8220;paean&#8221; (as tribute) is used correctly in that sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Boulis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  Layla Elizabeth Gonzalez

I am a long-time lurker on these boards but this comment demanded a response.  Look Ms. Gonzales, I don&#039;t really want to insult you or anything but a &quot;paean&quot; is an Ancient Greek song/hymn often used to praise a divinity.  I think you mistook it for the word &quot;peon.&quot;  Your virulent attack seems unwarranted in light of this revelation, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Layla Elizabeth Gonzalez</p>
<p>I am a long-time lurker on these boards but this comment demanded a response.  Look Ms. Gonzales, I don&#8217;t really want to insult you or anything but a &#8220;paean&#8221; is an Ancient Greek song/hymn often used to praise a divinity.  I think you mistook it for the word &#8220;peon.&#8221;  Your virulent attack seems unwarranted in light of this revelation, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I seriously doubt this was John Edwards first foray into cheating on his wife. His narcissim is nothing new.

Secondly, those cheated upon in marriages very often make the choice of sticking it out - for various and many reasons (which doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re necessarily good, but sometimes more understandable when there are children).

Thirdly, I feel so darned reluctant to judge Elizabeth in these circumstances.  I enjoy listening to Rush and always learn something, but I don&#039;t necessarily always agree with him.  Maybe this other woman &quot;gave&quot; Edwards something Elizabeth didn&#039;t - but hey, let&#039;s face it:  would you feel generously amorous after a bout of chemo???  It makes one sick for weeks, and about the time one feels better it&#039;s time for the next round of chemo.

Oddly enough, on some levels I can understand the returning to the campaign trail after the initial learning of the affair.  She&#039;s sick, and she&#039;s seeking something that will bring them together again.

It&#039;s sad -- regardless of what&#039;s &quot;true&quot;, she&#039;s been tossed more than her share to deal with and I think that Hunter woman&#039;s remarks about her only reflect extremely poorly on both Edwards and that woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I seriously doubt this was John Edwards first foray into cheating on his wife. His narcissim is nothing new.</p>
<p>Secondly, those cheated upon in marriages very often make the choice of sticking it out &#8211; for various and many reasons (which doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re necessarily good, but sometimes more understandable when there are children).</p>
<p>Thirdly, I feel so darned reluctant to judge Elizabeth in these circumstances.  I enjoy listening to Rush and always learn something, but I don&#8217;t necessarily always agree with him.  Maybe this other woman &#8220;gave&#8221; Edwards something Elizabeth didn&#8217;t &#8211; but hey, let&#8217;s face it:  would you feel generously amorous after a bout of chemo???  It makes one sick for weeks, and about the time one feels better it&#8217;s time for the next round of chemo.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, on some levels I can understand the returning to the campaign trail after the initial learning of the affair.  She&#8217;s sick, and she&#8217;s seeking something that will bring them together again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad &#8212; regardless of what&#8217;s &#8220;true&#8221;, she&#8217;s been tossed more than her share to deal with and I think that Hunter woman&#8217;s remarks about her only reflect extremely poorly on both Edwards and that woman.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...though Rush Limbaugh, in classic form, argued that she (Elizabeth) drove him to it.&lt;/i&gt;

Drove him to what &quot;it&quot; ?

The affair with Rielle ?  

I don&#039;t see that point made in your Rush Limbaugh link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;though Rush Limbaugh, in classic form, argued that she (Elizabeth) drove him to it.</i></p>
<p>Drove him to what &#8220;it&#8221; ?</p>
<p>The affair with Rielle ?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that point made in your Rush Limbaugh link.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding?  Putz for John, yet nothing for this wife of his?  At what age did John learn how attractive his appearance was for others?  And his wife, did she learn of her appearance too?  Will John tell his shrink (you can bet both are sitting in offices talking and talking, some truths here, some lies there...will they stay in therapy long enough?) when he first realized how powerful he was and if when he engages in sexual play whether it is a &quot;performance&quot; or &quot;pleasure&quot; thing for him?  And the wife:  Will she come clean and admit what she has known for years?  I don&#039;t care for I am not in their family.  As a voting citizen, I never liked either as leaders.  As a father, I am saddened for the children and hope both parents find a voice of truth wherein they can talk with their children to minimize the damage.  The odds are against this, but that&#039;s why the word hope exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding?  Putz for John, yet nothing for this wife of his?  At what age did John learn how attractive his appearance was for others?  And his wife, did she learn of her appearance too?  Will John tell his shrink (you can bet both are sitting in offices talking and talking, some truths here, some lies there&#8230;will they stay in therapy long enough?) when he first realized how powerful he was and if when he engages in sexual play whether it is a &#8220;performance&#8221; or &#8220;pleasure&#8221; thing for him?  And the wife:  Will she come clean and admit what she has known for years?  I don&#8217;t care for I am not in their family.  As a voting citizen, I never liked either as leaders.  As a father, I am saddened for the children and hope both parents find a voice of truth wherein they can talk with their children to minimize the damage.  The odds are against this, but that&#8217;s why the word hope exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve often heard various folks comment on how wonderfully varied, complex and diverse the English language is, effortlessly welcoming foreign words and phrases ‘into the fold’. The depth of our language is sometimes described as a ‘bottomless reservoir’ of nuance.

I agreed with that sentiment, but no longer, thanks to John Edwards. I’ve been struggling the last two weeks for words to describe exactly how much of a douchebag he really is. And sadly, for the first time I find my native tongue wanting. The adjectives simply aren’t ‘there’ to accurately describe how much of a manipulative, calculating, reprehensible, scumbag, liar, phony, narcissistic, empty-suit, jackass he really is.

See that? My best effort to ‘capture’ the fundamental essence of John Edwards rings completely hollow.  It&#039;s like calling the Grand Canyon a ‘really big ravine’. I would otherwise be embarrassed by my linguistic impotence, but I really don’t think it’s my fault. He has simply re-defined the boundaries of douche-baggery, shattering the power of words to define him. It is, in wierd sort of way, a mark of greatness. A legacy, if you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve often heard various folks comment on how wonderfully varied, complex and diverse the English language is, effortlessly welcoming foreign words and phrases ‘into the fold’. The depth of our language is sometimes described as a ‘bottomless reservoir’ of nuance.</p>
<p>I agreed with that sentiment, but no longer, thanks to John Edwards. I’ve been struggling the last two weeks for words to describe exactly how much of a douchebag he really is. And sadly, for the first time I find my native tongue wanting. The adjectives simply aren’t ‘there’ to accurately describe how much of a manipulative, calculating, reprehensible, scumbag, liar, phony, narcissistic, empty-suit, jackass he really is.</p>
<p>See that? My best effort to ‘capture’ the fundamental essence of John Edwards rings completely hollow.  It&#8217;s like calling the Grand Canyon a ‘really big ravine’. I would otherwise be embarrassed by my linguistic impotence, but I really don’t think it’s my fault. He has simply re-defined the boundaries of douche-baggery, shattering the power of words to define him. It is, in wierd sort of way, a mark of greatness. A legacy, if you will.</p>
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