Enough Slamming the LAPD Over ‘Racial Profiling’
Violent crime in Los Angeles is dominated by blacks and Hispanics. Straw-man arguments can't alter this uncomfortable fact.
As one might expect, Rosenbaum and Bibring point to what they describe as “disturbing and unjustifiable racial patterns” in the way the LAPD does business. They cite a study by Yale economist Ian Ayres, who concluded that the racial disparities in LAPD pedestrian and vehicle stops cannot be justified by crime rates or any other legitimate factor. I answered Ayres here, but further refutation is called for now. Among the flaws in Ayres’s study is its reliance on the premise that there is some mathematically correct ratio of persons stopped by police to a given ethnic group’s share of the criminal pool and overall population. If Group A is committing X percent of a city’s crime, then Group A should represent X percent of the city’s vehicle and pedestrian stops. But this ignores the reality of police work. To paraphrase the late Daniel Seligman, if it were known that in a Las Vegas casino a certain slot machine paid 10 percent more than any of the others, that machine surely would see more than a 10 percent increase in play.
And so it is in police work. As I have pointed out, Groundhog Day style, over and over and over again, violent crime in Los Angeles is dominated by blacks and Hispanics, and no straw-man arguments about racial profiling can alter this uncomfortable but persistent fact. Although crime in Los Angeles has dropped sharply in the past six years, the racial patterns among offenders are nonetheless consistent. Though blacks now make up less than 10 percent of the city’s population, in 2007 blacks committed about one third of the city’s homicides. As of May 30 of this year, the LAPD had investigated 114 homicides, a remarkable 30 percent decline from the same period last year. There are 21 police divisions in Los Angeles, but 43 percent of those homicides occurred in the four divisions that make up heavily minority populated South and South Central L.A., an area containing only 16 percent of the city’s total population. Those same four divisions have also seen 38 percent of the city’s overall violent crime this year. And as any detective in the city’s more tranquil regions will attest, the violent crimes that are occurring in those areas are also largely committed by blacks and Hispanics. The ACLU may not like it, but if police officers are to have an impact on crime, they will concentrate their efforts in those areas where it is most prevalent and on those people who are most responsible.
The downward trend in crime cannot last forever. Indeed, five of the LAPD’s divisions have seen increases in violent crime this year, perhaps a harbinger of what is to come should the city’s financial condition force cuts in the police department. Today there are hundreds of able-bodied cops who do nothing all day but pore over paperwork related to the consent decree, and thousands of others who must commit at least a portion of their workday to the same sort of mind-numbing bureaucracy. It’s time to put those cops back on the streets.
The consent decree was intended to last for five years; it has now been in place for eight. Will I be writing another version of this column five years from now?
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1. lee:Minorities also tend to kill each other during crimes. The black vs. brown tension will occasionally simmer in parts of LA, but the politicians will never address it, especially our mayor, who’s developed an unhealthy obsession with female news personality.
I was pulled by a cop (a minor traffic violation) who asked me if I could speak English, but I wasn’t offended at all. Places Koreatown are populated with some Asian immigrants who couldn’t communicate in English to save their mother’s lives. Not that I look down on them, I imagine the LAPD has to deal with the nuances and unorothdox problems that arises with minority (often balkanized) neighborhoods.
Jun 7, 2009 - 2:40 am 2. Bill Perron:The ACLU doesn’t like a lot of things, one of them is reality, another is the truth. Allah Akbar
Jun 7, 2009 - 3:16 am 3. Meryl:Another thing the ACLU doesn’t like that often accompanies reality and truth is logic…and the use of deductive reasoning drives them absolutely bananas for the simple reason that too often it does not easily get them to their predetermined conclusions.
Jun 7, 2009 - 3:44 am 4. Allston:Very interesting, isn’t it, that nowadays we see the same patent brand of thought applied across all of our institutions and organizations? The sheer denial of reality, displayed right before you, in favor of some half-baked theory that favors wishful thinking over truth.
Climate Change, based on suspect and/or cherry-picked data, anguished over by “believers”; one politician’s perfidies waved away, while another’s identical transgressions are severely prosecuted, because “that’s different”; history revised and rewritten, so that imagined evils may be healed (yes, I am referring the the President’s Cairo speech); decrying that certain words might never be used, because they “sound like…” The list is endless, and growing fast.
My own personal belief, gleaned over a lifetime, is that one crucial symptom of dysfunction is when a person or institution cease to utilize common sense, in favor of the next pet cause’s skewed beliefs or badly manipulated “facts.”
If those who believe this restriction on the affairs of the LAPD is so necessary and proper, then I challenge any one of them, particularly if they are white, to go walk the streets of any inner-city urban area at night, and see where it gets them. If they survive the experience.
Not that they would take me up on the suggestion. Can’t have unpleasant realities intrude and disrupt their idyllic internal fantasies about the world and the people in it, now can they?
Keep up the fine work, Officer “Dunphy.” I hope this restriction is removed, so that you guys can get back to doing your job – keeping us all safe.
Jun 7, 2009 - 3:56 am 5. HonestJon:A short look at the demographics of the safest versus the least safe American cities will reveal a significant trend concerning racial divergence in terms of violent behavior. Just follow the numbers.
The 10 safest:
1. Mission Viejo, CA: The racial makeup of the city was 83.15% White, 1.15% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 12.10%.
2. Clarkstown, NY: The racial makeup of the town was 79.97% White, 7.87% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.92%.
3. Brick, NJ: The racial makeup of the township was 95.81% White, 0.99% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.85%.
4. Amherst, NY: The racial makeup of the town was 89.28% White, 3.90% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.36%.
5. Sugar Land, TX: The racial makeup of the city was 56.00% White, 5.20% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 7.98%.
6. Colonie, NY: The racial makeup of the town was 90.55% White, 3.96% Black or African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.86%.
7. Thousand Oaks, CA: The racial makeup of the city was 85.09% White, 1.06% African American, 7.10% of the population is Hispanic or Latino.
8. Newton, MA: The racial makeup of the city was 88.07% White, 1.97% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.52%.
9. Toms River, NJ: The racial makeup of the township was 93.57% White, 1.75% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.54%.
10. Lake Forest, CA: The racial makeup of the city was 76.02% White, 1.83% African American, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 18.59%.
The 10 most dangerous:
1. Detroit, MI: As of Census 2000, the city of Detroit was 81.6% Black, 12.3% White, 5.0 percent Hispanic.
2. St. Louis, MO: The racial makeup of the city of St. Louis (as separate and distinct from St. Louis County and the rest of the MSA) was 51.20% African American, 43.85% White, Hispanic or Latino of any ethnic group were 2.02%.
3. Flint, MI: The racial makeup of the city was 41.39% White, 53.27% Black or African American, 2.99% of the population were Hispanic or Latino.
4. Oakland, CA: The racial makeup of the city was 35.66% African American, 23.52% White, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 21.19 percent.
5. Camden, NJ: The racial makeup of the city was 53.35% Black or African American, 16.84% White, 38.82% of the population were Hispanic or Latino.
6. Birmingham, AL: The racial makeup of the city was 73.46% Black or African American, 24.07% White, 1.55% of the population were Hispanic or Latino.
7. North Charleston, SC: The racial makeup of the city was 49.41% African American, 44.76% White, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.97%.
8. Memphis, TN: The racial makeup of the city was 61.41% African American, 34.41% White, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.97%.
9. Richmond, CA: The racial makeup of the city was 36.06% black or African American, 21.36% white, 26.53% of the population were Hispanic or Latino.
10. Cleveland, OH: The racial makeup of the city was 50.99% Black or African American, 41.49% White, 7.26% of the population was Hispanic or Latino.
Some conclusions can easily be drawn from the above study. Statistically, of the 10 safest, only one had a black population above 5%; only two had a hispanic population over 10%.
Of the most dangerous: all but one had a black population of 50% or more; hispanic populations were generally greater than in the safest cities.
This list was compiled a couple of years ago by gratuitously ripping off Wikipedia and by using the safest/most dangerous study that comes out every year.
We just need to face the facts here, folks. Blacks and hispanics (notice the “panic”) are much more likely to commit violent crimes with blacks being even more likely than hispanics for whatever reason.
For a more in-depth analysis, I personally recommend the following article:
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html
regards
Jun 7, 2009 - 5:24 am 6. HonestJon:Oops, I goofed. TWO of the safest cities had a black population above 5%: Clarkstown, NY and Sugarland, TX. I apologize for the error.
Also, if you’re interested in this issue, please read that article! It’s an eye opener!
regards
Jun 7, 2009 - 5:30 am 7. rickb308:2. Bill Perron:
The ACLU doesn’t like a lot of things, one of them is reality, another is the truth. Allah Akbar
Oh, but they do LIKE him.
Jun 7, 2009 - 6:09 am 8. MiamaMan:This is obvious, but people refrain from talking about it out of fear.
One day, a few years ago, while having time on the Internet, I conducted a test. I went to each listing of the most wanted criminals per state. You can try it yourself. Even in places like North, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, predominantly white, the majority of the criminals were Mexicans, period.
Why is Africa so impoverished. While colonies were there, they could feed themselves, now they can’t and must live on handouts.
Latin America: Why poorest countries are where blacks predominate? Haiti, Jamaica.
Things that make me go….Huuummmmm!
Jun 7, 2009 - 6:18 am 9. Broadsword:Perhaps the ACLU could bring suit against the criminals for committing more than their statistical share of crime…Or go out an commit some crime themselves, to bring up the ‘white’ share. Just to be fair.
Jun 7, 2009 - 6:55 am 10. RKV:Shall issue concealed carry for California is one thing we should be doing. To hell with the politicians and the police chiefs (but I repeat myself). Increase the risk to criminals and watch crime rates fall. Criminals like weak and or disarmed victims. Refuse to be one. As it stands today, CCW in California is largely a political perquisite for the wealthy and well connected. It represents an opportunity for corruption because of the discretion the sheriffs and police chiefs apply legally. 37 other states have shall issue (2 with no certification requirement at all). 2/3rds of the US population live in these states and the “wild west” has not returned there. Their crime rates are lower than those states where the right to armed self-defense is restricted by government fiat (and contrary to the plain meaning of the 2nd Amendment, I might add).
Jun 7, 2009 - 7:23 am 11. John P.:I’m not a racist, I’m an “Observationist”….If I were to say there are more drive-by shootings in an all black neighborhood than a white one, am I a racist?? No, I’m an “OBSERVATIONIST”
Jun 7, 2009 - 7:39 am 12. AZgirl:Obama just celebrated the United States’ successful invasion and liberation of Fortress Europe. That was SO politically incorrect. But let’s forget history for a moment and see things with the clear eyes we should all be using today.
Given the “logical” thinking of today, it was totally unfair for the Allies from around the world to have racially profiled the Germans. And don’t even get me started about how the Allies targeted the Japanese.
Thankfully, the Liberals are helping everyone to understand that it is wrong for us to ever target (or draw a cartoon) anyone who has declared themselves to be our mortal enemy.
Jun 7, 2009 - 7:49 am 13. NahnCee:How much would crime plummet in Los Angeles if LAPD were empowered to scoop up illegal Hispanics and deport them immediately if they can’t produce a passport? Last time I looked at prison statistics, both nationally and in California, the great preponderance of jailed people are brown. How much are taxpayers spending on policing illegals, tracking them down, putting them on trial, and then feeding them and paying for their cells after they’re convicted? Not to mention the drain on the system from them raping, pillaging, robbing, arsoning, and trying to commit genocide on black folks. But hey – it’s not *all* the Latino’s fault when they have the sterling example of Antonio as our mayor to live up to.
Jun 7, 2009 - 9:33 am 14. 11B40:Greetings:
Several years ago, on one of my internet safaris, I came across the US Department of Justice’s web site. In looking over the murder statistics, I discovered that a white person had a 3-4 times the probability of being murdered by a black person than a black person had of being murdered by a white person. This was a straight murder to murder comparison, unadjusted for the disparity in the size of the groups in the overall population.
Since that time, I have seen this observation mentioned just one time in the mainstream media and that was by Michael Barone in US News & World Report.
Jun 7, 2009 - 10:34 am 15. Cristina:Mr “Dunphy”:
Don’t get discouraged. Keep telling it like it is. Millions of people depend on your information, including organizations that have started lawsuits against similar restrictions on police departments across the country. Your work is invaluable, sir.
Jun 7, 2009 - 11:35 am 16. Cristina:Mr “Dunphy”:
A P.S.: You not only know your stuff, but you are a heck of a writer too.
Jun 7, 2009 - 11:39 am 17. David Adams:Best to you.
It’s not just the presence of Black or Hispanic people in the population that causes the increase in crime – it is the action of the judges and the rest of the legal system.The vast majority of minority crimes are committed against minorities – and are promptly excused by a very liberal justice system and poorly analyzed by the liberal media. The true victims are the minorities who cannot escape those neighborhoods. Logic and common sense must be used in the total picture in order to be used as a valid tool.
Jun 7, 2009 - 12:16 pm 18. HonestJon:What? No liberals/socialists yet?!
Kindasorta makes me think that we’re right…
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
regards
Jun 7, 2009 - 12:30 pm 19. HonestJon:You wrote, ” 17. David Adams: “It’s not just the presence of Black or Hispanic people in the population that causes the increase in crime – ”
I apologize for being so insensitive, but the statistics that I quoted forever disprove your leftist view on the matter. Consider yourself pw3ned!
regards
Jun 7, 2009 - 12:34 pm 20. Carol:There are crime stats and there are reasons for crime stats. I think much of what police work invovles (or should involve) is doing their job based on the realities of how and where crime unfolds. It is not their job to fix the complex, deep and long-standing issues that produce such warped crime stats in terms of demographics. It is their job to protect the public. I thank any person for signing up for such an incredibly difficult job, one that, not unlike someone in the military, is willing to put their life on the line for their fellow citizens. And, while I abhor any police officer who abuses their power to inflict needless harm on another, I salute those who do their job with a commitment to protecting communities all across America, many of which are incredibly unsafe and violent.
Jun 7, 2009 - 12:38 pm 21. HonestJon:Good luck, leftist jackwads! You know you’ve been beaten like a snail on a rock!
Statistics DON’T LIE!
OOberGoobers!
regards
Jun 7, 2009 - 12:39 pm 22. HonestJon:Just real here soon the “white” majority is going to end up being a minority in this country. I don’t have any sort of problem with that (as l’d imagine that my conservative countrymen wouldn’t) as long as the “white” opinion is the same as the minority opinion… that all of us are (in essence) free to compete equally. Unequal treatment of any individual or group or religion is antithetic to the New American Idiom. It’s the same as the old American idiom…Capitalism is a form of Darwinism. You don’t work-you don’t eat.
regards
Jun 7, 2009 - 12:54 pm 23. hawg-farmer:Why I left California in ‘94. It was a nice place in ‘64.
Jun 7, 2009 - 1:26 pm 24. RKV:In Re: Illegal aliens in CA and enforcement of our laws. We already have the tools we need to send illegals home. Note: cooperation with Federal immigration officials is mandatory for all counties, cities, etc. Of course, our elected representatives don’t follow the law.
See California Penal Code Section 834b
a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.
(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.
(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
Jun 7, 2009 - 1:41 pm 25. pedro:ITZ ALL ABOUT DA EVIDENCE!!!
Jun 7, 2009 - 2:58 pm 26. pedro:This 26 yearold ANGELINO cant stand the City of Angels any longer, The residence here simply just want to hide the TRUTH from coming out$$$
Jun 7, 2009 - 4:27 pm 27. JimE:Would love the know the actual numbers for whites murdered by blacks since WWII. Even after subtracting the blacks murdered by whites, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the total at around 200,000.
Jun 7, 2009 - 4:47 pm 28. hM:Like RKV said, oddly enough, criminals don’t particularly like committing crimes in places where there is a possibility somebody could be packing heat. A good book on the subject: More Guns, Less Crime by John R. Lott, Jr. And if you haven’t seen the Penn & Teller “Bullsh*t” episode on gun control I would highly recommend you look it up. It’s a humorous and somewhat damning look at just how stupid gun control is.
As far as blacks and hispanics/latinos being the causers of most crimes: I’m sick of the PC crap that says it’s wrong for me to be more vigilant if I’m walking down the street in a city late at night and there are black and hispanic/latino men around. I’m by no means a racist; I’m merely hedging my bets based on what I know about the statistics of crime. If there were roving gangs of little 80-year-old women beating people with canes and stabbing them with knitting needles I’d be equally scared of a blue-haired granny coming at me. As it stands, anybody who needs to feel the moral superiority of calling me a racist because I use basic common sense in the places I go and the people I’m edgier around based on statistically provable fact, go ahead. You can also walk down the streets in South Central L.A. or Detroit at night and tell me how that works out for you.
This crime trend – and a few others – will only go away when a few conditions have been met:
1) We stop giving handouts to people and start making them work. If you have to work for what you get, you’re more likely to not only have more respect for your own belongings, you also have more respect for the belongings of others.
2) We stop acting like entering a post-family era is a good thing. Children of families with both a mother and a father are still more likely to succeed, be happier, and commit less crime than those who grow up in single-parent households.
3) We stop making excuses for minority groups. “His family has always been poor so he never had a chance” is a cop-out. Many poor people pull themselves out of horrible circumstances and become not only very well-off, but also respected community leaders and family men/women. But it requires hard work, which unfortunately most people don’t seem to want to do anymore. And nobody ever seems to be making excuses for Asian minorities; instead, they’re treated about as well as white men. Could it be because they are actual proof that a minority group can succeed in America without the “help” of the US government?
4) We stop falling feeling “white guilt” and call minorities on their own anti-white racism. You know, I realize that back in the day white Americans had black slaves and that it was wrong. However, I myself have never owned and will never own a slave. Neither of my parents owned slaves. None of my grandparents did either. So I absolutely refuse to feel guilty for a practice that I a) did not participate in (by several generations); b) would not condone if it was still going on here; and c) still see happening elsewhere but that, for various reasons, sees far less outrage than that directed at the slave trade that ended here over 100 years ago.
5) We stop pretending minorities need a leg-up to get good jobs. If I were a minority I would be offended and enraged that anybody thought I needed “extra help” from the government to get anywhere. Because that is exactly what affirmative action and quotas are. It’s like the government saying “We know you can’t make it on your own, so let us help you.” However, instead of creating outrage it has created a complacency among minorities. Why work harder when you just have to check that little box that says “African-American” or “Hispanic”? And don’t even get me started on the ridiculousness that is the PC label “African-American”. If I’m white, you’re black. End of story.
6) Minorities actually call out their own when they commit crimes. Just imagine what would happen if, instead of complaining about the police arresting a known criminal for a crime they were caught doing, minorities actually called the police and told them where the guy was. This “us vs. them” attitude is ridiculous and completely antithetical to everyone just plain getting along. Race-baiting doesn’t help anybody but the people who participate in it; usually politicians, criminals, or people sucking at the public teat.
Imagine what would happen if these conditions were met and we stopped pandering to race-baiters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Obama. Minorities would have more self-respect, there would be actual equality, and crime would go down. But that will never happen because a certain political party wouldn’t survive if all the groups they’re “helping” started actually helping themselves.
Jun 7, 2009 - 5:14 pm 29. john m e:Allston said it well(above)I think dunphy sees things clearly and if liberals are allowed to spread their thinking thru education and social activist groups they will sooner or later elect a black panther or a community organizer with weatherman ties in chicago…shabazz no shalom just
Jun 7, 2009 - 5:22 pm 30. Bill Gannon:alinski… single cause voters/minorities have formed a common task force of varied special interest zealots united for revolution…but I digress….it can’t happen here…
Jack Dunphy said: [quote]The ACLU may not like it, but if police officers are to have an impact on crime, they will concentrate their efforts in those areas where it is most prevalent and on those people who are most responsible. [/quote] This is the nub of the problem. IF officers were able to do as Jack suggests they would be “protecting and serving” minorities, whose lifestyles would – over time – improve. Those Who Care can not allow that to happen. The surest way for TWC to lose face would be for the incidence of crime in minority areas to be reduced. That trend would run counter to the “narrative”, thus must not be allowed to succeed. 10-98
Jun 7, 2009 - 7:11 pm 31. mshatto:HonestJon -Your statistics present a point very worthy of discussion but your statements on post #19 & #21 make you sound like a mentally crippled refugee from the DailyKos or HuffPo, albeit from the opposite side of the spectrum. David Adams was simply pointing out that the vast majority of victims of crimes perpetrated by minorities are minorities themselves. Liberal judges and DAs who think they are “enlightened” because they don’t punish black/hispanic criminals are part of the cause of the the tsunami of crime that affects our inner cities.
This is a view you can concur with?
Jun 7, 2009 - 8:27 pm 32. tioedong:“driving while black/Hispanic/ Indian is a very real annoyance for those of us who follow the law in the US.
Yet you may be interested to know that the Korean cable TV station here in Asia once had a discussion with some of their immigrants on “racism in America”.
I awaited to hear the usual tirade but was astonished to find their complaint: That the black rioters who wrecked their shops and harassed them often were not arrested or were given minor sentences.
Their complaint was that the police were too “soft” on these crimes because they were Korean, and in the US it is the black/hispanic gangs who are not punished because of their race.
Jun 7, 2009 - 8:35 pm 33. David Thomson:“Would love the know the actual numbers for whites murdered by blacks since WWII. Even after subtracting the blacks murdered by whites, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the total at around 200,000.”
I completely agree. The odds are overwhelmingly high that more blacks murder whites than whites murder blacks. And these white victims are often targeted because of the color of their skin! The important thing is indeed to make sure we are talking about the era after WWII. Previous to that, I strongly suspect the totals were exactly the opposite. Are there any hard data studies? I hate relying on mere speculation.
Jun 7, 2009 - 9:46 pm 34. Blackwater:We should start profiling based on religion when it comes to national security. Let’s face it, the islamists come in both genders and all colors. Their common thread is that they’re all muslims. So why are we putting Jewish peoples luggage and Catholic peoples luggage through bomb detectors at airports?
Jun 8, 2009 - 12:29 am 35. HonestJon:31. mshatto: “…vast majority of victims of crimes perpetrated by minorities are minorities themselves.” I suppose that you meant to say that the crimes of minorities are mainly perpetrated against other minorities. If so, I concur wholeheartedly. And statistically, it’s true. Most black crime is done against other blacks. That may actually be an effect of proximity more than anything else: it’s hard to rob a white guy if you’re in a black neighborhood…
Also, “…because they don’t punish black/hispanic criminals are part of the cause…” That’s not my personal experience. When I used to be a CO in a state prison, at least half of the inmate population was black. So I don’t buy in to the argument that blacks/hispanics get off easier than whites. Just my personal experience…
You also wrote: “…sound like a mentally crippled refugee from the DailyKos or HuffPo, albeit from the opposite side of the spectrum.” I have an excellent excuse: I was drunk. Vodka makes me mean. I hereby apologize to Mr. Adams.
regards
Jun 8, 2009 - 5:06 am 36. HonestJon:33. David Thomson: It’s not speculation. Check out the DOJ’s website and you can find out that you’re exactly right. It’s not a huge difference if I remember correctly, though. As far as the actual number of whites murdered by blacks over the past 50 years versus the opposite, I’d imagine that it would be impossible to calculate. Especially because all of the murderers haven’t been caught.
regards
Jun 8, 2009 - 5:10 am 37. sclemens:The 1997 report on crime and race reported that 50+% of murders were reported as black assailants. What was interesting is the 90+% of the victims in these crimes were black.
I have long asserted that racial profiling crusaders are doing great harm to the black community by diminishing crime prevention efforts.
I also wonder how the anti-racial profiling movement would change if these crimes were black-on-white?
Jun 8, 2009 - 6:58 am 38. Jimi:Hollywood has the answer. Turn the city into a prison camp. That way all the perps are already there.
Jun 8, 2009 - 8:18 am 39. Leroy:It was called “Escape From LA”. Anyone with a brain did.
When the Elite morons opened the borders
all the cockroaches came in and are in the process
of destroying our once nice country.
Why do you think these countries are called
THIRD WORLD DUMPS.
We are now a Third Word dump for opening our borders to trash.
Jun 8, 2009 - 8:23 am 40. Houdini:It is really criminal profiling not “racial” profiling! When a crime has been committed you can not pull over or suspect old ladies, old men, toddlers and infants but those most likely meeting certain criteria such as age and where they are or even gang symbols present such as bandannas or tattoos. It is a lousy argument that someone became a suspect simply because of race but it could contribute to the likelihood that they could in fact be a suspect.
Jun 8, 2009 - 9:15 am 41. pedro:OK GUYS I’ll go to AZ and BRIBE Joe Arpaio to move out to LA (U know dat’s how WE ANGELINO’s TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS OUT HERE)
Jun 8, 2009 - 10:58 am 42. Bobby:Don’t you just love it.Schwarzenegger is realeasing hardened criminals onto the streets, and all the evil politicians, and ACLU and other groups can do is attack the police.Californians, and all Americans had better wake up. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU, YOUR FRIENDS, OR FAMILY.
Jun 8, 2009 - 12:28 pm 43. mshatto:HonestJon – Thanks for the response. I’m partial to the vodka too but it’s the bourbons and tequila that have a tendency to bring out the Jekyll in me.
Concerning the lite sentences handed out to minorities, there is the very recent case of a Chicago police officer killed in the line of duty. The killers had numerous parole violations that the courts, just two weeks ago, refused to deal with, and now sadly a young officer, father, husband is dead.
Jun 8, 2009 - 1:30 pm 44. Chris Bolts Sr.:Hmm, a clip from Jonah Goldberg’s book, “Liberal Fascism”, is in order:
“The glorification of racial permanence has caused the left to abandon
narrow rationales for affirmative action in favor of the doctrine
of multiculturalism. The diversity argument—which, by the way, is
only used to defend favored groups; Asians and Jews almost never
count toward the goal of diversity—is an argument for the permanence
of race and identity. In other words, if the left has its way,
racial preferences will no longer have anything to do with redressing
past wrongs (except when such preferences are under attack).
Rather, the pursuit of diversity will become the permanent license
for social-engineering bean counters to discriminate against whatever
group they see fit in order to reach the desired “balance.” For example,
quotas unfairly kept Jews out of universities to help white
Protestants. Now quotas unfairly keep Jews (and Asians) out of universities
to help blacks and Hispanics. What’s different is that now
liberals are sure such policies are a sign of racial progress.
Diversity depends on, and therefore ratifies, racial essentialism.
Not only do rich (and, increasingly, foreign-born) blacks count as
much as poor ones, but the argument now is that mere exposure to
blacks is uplifting in and of itself. The policy is condescending and
counterproductive because it assumes that blacks come to school not
as Tom Smith or Joe Jones but as interchangeable Black-Perspective
Student. Professors turn to black students for “the black point of
view,” and students who don’t present the party line are counted as
inauthentic by condescending white liberals (that is, most faculty
and administrators) or by race-gaming blacks. I’ve been to dozens of
campuses, and everywhere the story is the same: blacks eat, party,
and live with other blacks. This self-segregation increasingly manifests
itself in campus politics. Blacks become a student body within
a student body, a microcosm of the nation within a nation. Ironically,
the best way for a white kid to benefit from exposure to a black kid,
and vice versa, would be for there to be fewer black students or at
least no black dorms. That way blacks would be forced to integrate
with the majority culture. But of course, integration is now derided
as a racist doctrine.
“You might say it’s outrageous to compare the current liberal program
to help minorities with the poisonous ideology of fascism and
Nazism. And I would agree if we were talking about things like the
Holocaust or even Kristallnacht. But at the philosophical level, we
are talking about categorical ways of thinking. To forgive something
by saying “it’s a black thing” is philosophically no different from
saying “it’s an Aryan thing.” The moral context matters a great deal.
But the excuse is identical. Similarly, rejecting the Enlightenment
for “good” reasons is still a rejection of the Enlightenment. And
any instrumental or pragmatic gains you get from rejecting the
Enlightenment still amount to taking a sledgehammer to the soapbox
you’re standing on. Without the standards of the Enlightenment, we
are in a Nietzschean world where power decides important questions
rather than reason. This is exactly how the left appears to want it.
One last point about diversity. Because liberals have what Thomas
Sowell calls an “unconstrained vision,” they assume everyone sees
things through the same categorical prism. So once again, as with the
left’s invention of social Darwinism, liberals assume their ideological
opposites take the “bad” view to their good. If liberals assume
blacks—or women, or gays—are inherently good, conservatives
must think these same groups are inherently bad.
“This is not to say that there are no racist conservatives. But at the
philosophical level, liberalism is battling a straw man. This is why
liberals must constantly assert that conservatives use code words—
because there’s nothing obviously racist about conservatism per se.
Indeed, the constant manipulation of the language to keep conservatives—
and other non-liberals—on the defensive is a necessary tactic
for liberal politics. The Washington, D.C., bureaucrat who was fired
for using the word “niggardly” correctly in a sentence is a case in
point.64 The ground must be constantly shifted to maintain a climate
of grievance. Fascists famously ruled by terror. Political correctness
isn’t literally terroristic, but it does govern through fear. No serious
person can deny that the grievance politics of the American left
keeps decent people in a constant state of fright—they are afraid to
say the wrong word, utter the wrong thought, offend the wrong constituency.
If we maintain our understanding of political conservatism as
the heir of classical liberal individualism, it is almost impossible
for a fair-minded person to call it racist. And yet, according to liberals,
race neutrality is itself racist. It harkens back to the “social
Darwinism” of the past, we are told, because it relegates minorities
to a savage struggle for the survival of the fittest.
“There are only three basic positions. There is the racism of the
left, which seeks to use the state to help favored minorities that it regards as morally superior. There is racial neutrality, which is, or has
become, the conservative position. And then there is some form of
“classical racism”—that is, seeing blacks as inferior in some way.
According to the left, only one of these positions isn’t racist. Race
neutrality is racist. Racism is racist. So what’s left? Nothing except
liberalism. In other words, agree with liberals and you’re not racist.
Of course, if you adopt color blindness as a policy, many fair-minded
liberals will tell you that while you’re not personally racist, your
views “perpetuate” racism. And some liberals will stand by the fascist
motto: if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Either way, there are no safe harbors from liberal ideology.
Hence, when it comes to race, liberalism has become a kind of soft
totalitarianism and multiculturalism the mechanism for a liberal
Gleichschaltung. If you fall outside the liberal consensus, you are
either evil or an abettor of evil. This is the logic of the Volksgemeinschaft in politically correct jargon.
“Now, of course you’re not going to get a visit from the Gestapo if
Jun 8, 2009 - 1:56 pm 45. Bobby:you see the world differently; if you don’t think the good kind of diversity
is skin deep or that the only legitimate community is the one
where “we’re all in it together,” you won’t be dragged off to reeducation
camp. But you very well may be sent off to counseling or sensitivity
training.”
Chris Bolts sr. you make some very interesting points, but using Fascsim as an analogy of what modern liberalism is, is not very convincing. More exact would be describing the modern liberal ideologues,as the inheritors/immitators of the Soviet communists.
Jun 8, 2009 - 3:22 pm 46. RKV:Bobby, those of us who pay attention to what Fascism actually is, as opposed to the word’s use as a standard liberal pejorative for anything that is not currently in favor, know that Jonah Goldberg and by extension, Chris Bolts, are dead on the money. Just a brief example – Fascism, as historically practiced in Italy and Germany, did not do away with private ownership of the means of production, it just made private owners so powerless, that the government could do what it wanted with property. This is similar to what has happened with Chrysler and GM. Now we have politicians deciding that the UAW should, contrary to our bankruptcy laws, get claim to assets that should have gone to bondholders. And Goldberg’s book sold thousands of copies, so I believe his point is well made, both in terms of economics and racism. Yours, not so much.
Jun 8, 2009 - 4:41 pm 47. Bobby:I still disagree. Multi-culturalism for example, is a communist idea, not a fasicst one. The fascist leaders, ruled by a “cult of personality”, the communist leaders used the secret service and purges much more than the fascists did. True the fascists could do what they wanted to with property or private ownership, but at least on a large scale there was some. The communists carried out mass executions to seize land and collectivize farms, factories, completely. In truth, the two systems had much more in common than not, but I would say that modern liberalism with its multiculturalism, its drive towards one worldism, and its desire to constantly interfere in property rights smacks more of communism than of fascism. That’s my opinion.
Jun 8, 2009 - 7:17 pm 48. Bobby:P.S. RVK, excuse me, but who cares how many copies Mr. Goldbergs book sold? That has no connection at all with whether his points are valid or not. Not that they aren’t, but it has no connection with whether he’s right or not.
Jun 8, 2009 - 7:23 pm 49. Martin Knight:I disagree on a particular point Bobby i.e. “cults of personality.” Communists ruled/rule just as much by “cults of personality” as did Fascists. Lenin, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Tito, Hoxha, Caucescu, Mao, Castro, Kim Il Sung, etc. all established cults of personality around themselves and their regimes.
Jun 9, 2009 - 6:11 am 50. Donald Conner:Here in Iowa there is much ado in the PC/political/educational circles because “there are so many blacks” imprisoned in jails, reformatories, and prisons in this state. Rather than face the fact that a boy needs a heterosexual man and not part of a homosexual dyad “male” or a woman as a an effective role model, and to keep him in line from time to time, the criminal behavior is blamed on poverty, poor education, and so on-especially “whitey’s institutional racism”.
Everybody is racist to some degree. As long as you don’t actively stand in somebody’s way or deny the same rights you have, who cares. I’ve been called “whitey” and “honky” lots of times. If you’ve got the time to waste on that crap, go ahead.
Goldberg hit the nail on the head with a 16 lb. sledgehammer. Bought the book last year, and it is “right on”, as the “brothers” would say. Think it ain’t?
Just look around you and observe the left-liberal press in their race to be fair to Sheik Obama. Never do you see reference to the fact that his own self-described “most important” mentor was a communist. Nor is there mention of his having said one thing while electioneering, and doing something quite different now. If there is, it is always couched as “almost completely in line with his campaign promise”.
Who is surprised that blacks and spics make up such a large part of criminal activity in any city? Bred into the cultural milieu they live in is that the world is against them, and so they are entitled to do whatever they feel must be done to get what they want or need. Education is despised, being law abiding is despised, being respectful to others is despised – observing normal social behaviors that make social interaction easy and pleasant is despised – in short all social, norms and most are shunned.
The above does mean that every black or spic is that way of course. But for the millions who live in the ghettos of cities large and not so large, those are the rules to live by. No care or concern or thought for those deliberately or innocently hurt in the commission of a crime. No care or concern for themselves. Oh yes –they do know right from wrong. Or haven’t you noticed the way they run when the cops come, whether because of present wrong-doing or past misbehavior?
We are working to get a “must issue” policy instituted here in Iowa so that instead of having some sheriff decide whether he wants to or feels like issuing a permit to carry a concealed or openly carry a firearm, it’ll be like Florida. Where they must issue, disqualifying history being an exception. The crime rate in Florida is still down 15% from the beginning of the change in carry law there.
Finally, 47% of all children under 5 years of age are minorities. If past indicators hold, in about 10 years we are going to see a wave of juvenile crime never before witnessed in this country. A tsunami of teenage wretches who are “underprivileged, misunderstood inner city youth” engaging in an orgy of crime.
Being “youthful offenders” (youthful only in age, naturally) they will seen to be “rescueable” by the PC hoards that control the justice system today insofar as kids are involved.
Illegal aliens? Hunt down each and every one and deport/export them. Money is not a problem. If we can waste hundreds of billions to support the poor judgement of those who managed the automaking companies, we can spend a few hundred million to expel the unneeded, unwanted, and illegal aliens and their offspring.
Leftists and liberals continue to bleat that they contribute more than they cost, but that cannot be so. Because the $60 billion they sent back to Mexico alone last year bought no goods or services here in America. That means not one American citizen benefited from any kind of employmnt those $60b would generate if spent here in America. GET RID OF THEM!!
Jun 9, 2009 - 1:30 pm 51. Bobby:Martin Knight, I see your point. It just seemed to me that the fascists of Europe, seemed to be able to rule, aside from Stalin, with less butchery than those other leaders you mention. For example, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc. did not have to carry out the constant and unrelenting purges of even those who were close to them, as Stalin, for example,did.
Jun 9, 2009 - 1:57 pm 52. Bobby:The other thing leftists continuously do, and they do it consciouslly and with evil intent, is control the language of the debate. Illegal aliens, the correct term as per existing U.S. Immigration law, are referred to as Undocumented Immigrants, illegal immigrants,etc. They are not. They have neither lost their documents, that they once had, nor are they immigrants who are “illegally here”. They aren’t immigrants at all. They were never given premission to be an immigrant. But the Democratic leftists go on and on, in this unlawfull manner, and so try to confuse Americans about the law, their rights, or even who an American is? It’s cynical, subversive and sick.
Jun 9, 2009 - 2:39 pm