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1. progressoverpeace:

old Europe deserves to be burdened with The Precedent, since they were so hot to have him elected. They should be forced to take the moron as either the President of the EU or to lead one of their pathetic parliaments. They are scum who did nothing for years but try and hamper and injure the US. They stabbed us in the back every chance they got, including fawning all over the Indonesian imbecile and trying to affect American opinion (to get us to elect this moron) as much as they could. They deserve what they get. They deserve to have to live with the idiocy and incompetence they promoted and fawned over.

We, in America, are the ones who have to suffer, though, and our nation is the one that actually had great value, was the only beacon of individual freedom, and is now being torn apart, denigrated, and destroyed in every way The Precedent can dream up. To Old Europe I say, FOAD. We saved their butts through two world wars and built them a nice, big cocoon comfortable enough for them to generate their unrealistic and childish views of the world, and they pay us back with noting but petty jealousy, animus, and stab us in the back at every opportunity. Old Europe should be begging Americans’ forgiveness for their part in this dark charade that was The Precedent’s campaign. Germany, in particular, should be on their knees apologizing for letting their nation be used as the most ridiculous and un-American Presidential campaign stop in all of US history.

Old Europe are slugs. The Precedent is an Indonesian slug who has no business in the White House. And those who voted the America-hater into office are the worst that America has ever produced. They all deserve each other, and the US deserves to be free of them.

Nov 2, 2009 - 12:46 am 2. Marc Malone:

Didn’t he also tick off the Italians, getting the power structure wrong?

Didn’t the Turks just leave NATO or somesuch. No more joint exercises with the IAF.

Unlike McCain, he hasn’t offended the Spanish, yet.

How about the Austrians? If I were them, I’d be offended that he didn’t know we speak G-E-R-M-A-N! Duh!

I’m sure the Baltic countries are less than enamored of him… as well as the Ukraine! (Their response must be on the order of Ruh-roh and Zoiks!)

And, of course, Israel is effin’ thrilled.

Don’t even get into South and Central America.

Now, who didn’t see this coming? Raise your hand.

Nov 2, 2009 - 1:34 am 3. RE:

Many Americans were just as mindless in their support for Obama, so I’m not gonna bash the Europeans. By relieving Western Europe from difficult ‘Guns or Butter’ decisions for the past 60 years, America has distorted their reality and created a safe bubble where little Hans Blix’s can exist without getting squashed by the real world. Their fantasy worldview would not have been possible without us.

Americans are to blame for Obama. Nobody else.

Nov 2, 2009 - 3:01 am 4. vb:

#! Progress: Merkel was a bit skeptical about Obama’s grand tour. It was the party of Gazprom Gerd Schroeder, the media, and the Kultur elites who loved it. And, given the media bias, the average German didn’t have enough info to see the scam for what it was. They will gradually learn. It’s about time.

Nov 2, 2009 - 3:04 am 5. Gary Ogletree:

There is an upside if the Euros begin to see the need to pull their own weight. Like supplying their troops with helicopters instead of depending on a free ride from American taxpayers.

Nov 2, 2009 - 4:08 am 6. deguello:

Who cares? Europe is not only our enemy ,it is corrupt and moribund:let it die! We should start helping their militant Muslim minorities,to weaken the EU,and destroy its attempts to impose world government.Pulling out of NATO would be a start.

Nov 2, 2009 - 6:01 am 7. logdon:

I share your ire. I’m a very Old European Englishman who watched the fawning with absolute dismay.

However things back here are looking decidedly revolutionary with our BNP party scoring 22% in a poll last week.

I’m not sure that Barry Hussein would impress those guys who, if given a chance would deport all non British Muslims back to where they came from.

We are getting very pissed off with the multi-culti flooding of our country with Mohammedans who have absolutely no intention of integrating or the terrifying awfullness of actually getting a job.

Sending that bust back was sheer provocation. Funnily enough Winston was a very popular name amongst the more loyal of our West Indian immigrants. So much it became a bit of a nickname for them. When we were allowed a spot of joviality that is.

But come on, you guys voted for this charlaton. You also hailed that other one. This time ours. He’s called Blair. We now loath him.

Caveat emptor.

Nov 2, 2009 - 6:11 am 8. Libertyship46:

Hey Marc Malone, #2, you said, “Unlike McCain, he hasn’t offended the Spanish, yet.” Well, you’re right, he has not offended the Spanish because Spain has a huge Socialist (Zapatero) in power. Obama and Zapatero are soul mates. Obama would like nothing better than the United States looking just like Spain, the ultimate European nanny state with huge unemployment, high taxes, slow economic growth, a small military that’s basically a joke, huge central government, and cradle-to-grave social benefits paid for by their enormous taxes. What’s not to love? I’m surprised Obama hasn’t vacationed in Spain yet. There is so much there for him to love.

Nov 2, 2009 - 6:37 am 9. Now and Then:

2. Marc Malone:

Yeah, and just wait until he pisses off the entire country of Africa.

Nov 2, 2009 - 6:57 am 10. David W. Lincoln:

How long indeed? With each passing day, the United States is becoming less relevant. The only way I can see this reversed is for a US government in exile to be declared. That way, people like Mike Walker when it comes to finances, and Michael Ledeen when it comes to foreign policy would be heeded, instead of the deformed souls with their paws on the levers of government inside the Beltway, acting like they are listening, when they are not.

Nov 2, 2009 - 6:59 am 11. ahem:

C’mon, give him a chance. He’s got 3 more years.

Nov 2, 2009 - 7:22 am 12. JFM:

Who cares? Europe is not only our enemy ,it is corrupt and moribund:let it die! We should start helping their militant Muslim minorities,to weaken the EU,and destroy its attempts to impose world government.Pulling out of NATO would be a start

You when Europe’s resources, nukes and technology fall into Muslim hands.

Nov 2, 2009 - 7:46 am 13. Pedrosito:

Only the Scandinavians have a thrill up their legs now for Bambi.

Nov 2, 2009 - 8:25 am 14. Sebastian Shaw:

Besides insulting our allies, President Obama expects Europe to lead! He has said so many times. However, I don’t think Europe will lead while President Obama fumbles away & dithers like the fool he is. President Obama also seems to be living in the past, specifically early 1980’s, with his no nukes pledge (try getting this through Congress knucklehead).

Obama is the sound & fury signifying nothing. He’s the cottan candy that dissolves in water. He’s the empty suit with the chip on shoulder about the USA he represents. He’s a loser.

Nov 2, 2009 - 8:34 am 15. vera:

RE;Now and Then:

“2. Marc Malone:

Yeah, and just wait until he pisses off the entire country of Africa.”
As soon as he is done pissing off all 57 states!

Nov 2, 2009 - 8:58 am 16. Tony R:

I love the moronic posters on this thread with their wide sweeping generalisations about “Europeans” as if we are just one big socialist anti-US entity.

How’s this for a generalisation? The United States of America voted a Marxist socialist with all the political skills of a 14-year old as their President. That clearly means that the US is an anti-capitalist socialist country doesn’t it? Your mainstream media has it’s tongue wedged so far up your Presidents ass they are about as unbiased as Pravda used to be during the old Soviet regime.

Before you all go dissing Europe as “enemies” I recommend you look at yourselves in the mirror. 53% of your electorate…..thats right, the majority of eligible voters………..voted for a socialist last November and yet you guys bleat on as if you are the last bastion of capitalism on the planet. Please.

Nov 2, 2009 - 8:59 am 17. Ms. Attitude:

9. Now and Then:

Obama is already losing popularity in all 57 states…

Nov 2, 2009 - 9:00 am 18. deguello:

Next time Tony, aim your criticisms at their author.Your points about the US election are well taken;Americans,in a fit of criminally asinine hysteria,has elected a Chavez wannabe.Those who induced the fit,The Media,academia,the left-wing plutocracy ARE Europeans in all but name.Nevertheless, this election is an anomaly.The US is not the last bastion of capitalism on the planet, India is.However, we are the last bastion of freedom in the traditional.small government, anti-nanny state sense. We remain(the 47 % who did not vote for the moron)fiercely committed to freedom, active,militant and ARMED.We will live free or die,and we won’t go alone!We hate Europe because of its adoption of UN/EU ,mandates, designed to weaken their and our nation’s sovreignty,and impose thug rule,and we can’t respect people who willingly give up their freedoms to such hideously oppressive bureaucratic tyrannies.Watch our example Tony;hopefully,some Europeans will follow,but I think,sadly, they are way past their due date in terms of vigor,and appreciation of liberty.Conflate Eric the Red with Olaf Palme,or Cortez with Zapatero,and you can see that the decline is terminal.Compare Descartes to Derrida .Cordially, Deguello (ex European,proud American)

Nov 2, 2009 - 9:27 am 19. Agrivated:

16. Tony R
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You are so right, unfortunately. I had to hold my nose a little while voting for McCain but I can’t believe that 53% of voters were so dumb that they voted for a guy who had never succeeded at anything but winning Ms. Congeniality. Libs always bring up Law Review, but that too is just a popularity contest.

Nov 2, 2009 - 9:34 am 20. Peter the Bubblehead:

16. Tony R wrote:
Before you all go dissing Europe as “enemies” I recommend you look at yourselves in the mirror. 53% of your electorate…..thats right, the majority of eligible voters………..voted for a socialist last November…

Peter writes: Actually, no. 53% of those who VOTED, voted for the Socialist. Only about half of the ELEGIBLE voters actually voted, which means something in the range of 30-35% of ELEGIBLE voters voted this Socialist buffoon into office.

Nov 2, 2009 - 9:37 am 21. gus:

Obama’s more of a centrist than people think. His foreign policy is going to be more or less like past presidents’. We’re still in Iraq and we’re still in Afghanistan. His hardcore supporters are disappointed about that.

What I like about Obama is that he is the first post-colonial president. He doesn’t share the overinflated love of europe that all his predecessors did. Europe (britain excepted) is the old world, a whites only place intolerant of other races as the trains to Auschwitz prove.

America emerged from Europe but it is on a different course. Of course, the people on this site are basically white supremacists when you get down to it, so they’re afraid, very afraid of change. But it’s already happening. Little things like taking down the White House bust of Churchill (which I disagree with), and snubbing various european leaders and their ceremonies are a welcome progression. Europe is no longer the center of the world, and the US has allowed it to ride our coattails for too long. Europe stopped being able to defend itself after WW1, it then surrendered to fascism,, and has been dependent on US occupation to maintain its freedom ever since.
The mantle of democracy has moved westward across the pond. Continental Europe has an overdue appointment with the dustbin of history.

Nov 2, 2009 - 10:14 am 22. jodetoad:

I don’t see Europeans as enemies. My guess would be that Europeans got mugged, like we did, by liberal press, academia, and parties. It happened to them first, and I think European populations are waking up, like we are waking up, but they are coming from farther behind. European countries’ institutions and laws have swung far left, their populations are no longer homogeneous, and they have bigger challenges than we, more to undo.

I don’t know if they can pull it out, but some are in there swinging. If we get nationalized health care, we will be similarly painted into a corner.

Anybody can be fooled, we were. OK, not all of us, but still… We can’t very well blame Europeans after what we have done. I agree, it is hard to take the anti-Americanism, but if we can take it from our own libs, we can take it from overseas. Imagine if you got an impression of America from our press and movies, you wouldn’t think much of America either. So we should take their press with the same grain of salt we use on our own.

It makes more sense for conservatives everywhere to support each other. Imagine what the future could be like if we are all swallowed by socialism! It is an international movement, and we can’t afford to forget it.

Nov 2, 2009 - 10:16 am 23. Chris Hawkins:

I find that Der Spiegel article so frustrating.

I’d like to ask them, “Why are you waiting for leadership?” Why can’t Germany look at the danger Afghan heroin poses to Germany and decide to do on their own? Why can’t Germany look at Afghan kids beheading ’spies’ in the name of Allah and make the kind of human rights judgment that they so easily and often make against the US? Aren’t the Taliban’s abuses of human rights a bit more troubling than those of Guantanamo? You lead! How about that? And if you don’t have the will or courage to do so (which we all know you don’t), shut up. You don’t need permission from the US to act.

They bitch when we lead, they bitch when we don’t lead. Why does everything have to depend on us?

Nov 2, 2009 - 10:28 am 24. gus:

chris hawkins asks why does everything have to depend on us?

You know the answer. Europe destroyed itself in WW1. It depended on the US led League of Nations to rebuild itself, and when the US pulled out of that role, within a few years germans were goose stepping and the rest of the continent was either goose stepping with them or surrendering and collaborating.
The US had to save europe from the germans and then had to save europe from the soviets, and we’ve been there ever since.

Most of the posters on this site would have sympathized with german racial sensibilities in the 1930s, but the people on this site are an extreme fringe. Europeans are paralyzed by the fear of knowing what happened the last time they tried to make decisions on their own. The last time they were capable of such things was in the era of colonialism, but it’s a different world now.
And whatever grousing they do about America, the reality is the last fifty years of Pax Americana have been the greatest time in european history, at least where peace, prosperity, and openness are concerned.

Nov 2, 2009 - 11:04 am 25. Ed Butt:

just to put the enthusiasm in perspective, most of that crowd in Germany turned out because (a) all the crusties and no – marks go a free ride to (b) a free rock concert staged (at your expense) to “welcome the candidate.

Still it bought a lot of TV time in the US at a crucial stage in the campaign. Apart from that politicians and the media are wildly enthusiastic but us ordinary punters are largely unimpressed with Obama. Typical politician, all mouth and no trousers.

Nov 2, 2009 - 11:54 am 26. JED:

Today’s headlines:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama warned on Monday that more U.S. job losses lay ahead despite a turnaround in the economy, and he called for a new “post bubble growth model” with greater focus on U.S. exports.
I would be worried about a president who wanted to export post bubble growth models.

Nov 2, 2009 - 12:07 pm 27. Real Deal:

#24 Gus
Most of the posters on this site would have sympathized with german racial sensibilities in the 1930s, but the people on this site are an extreme fringe.

Aren’t you the good little leftist troll? You didn’t even wait for someone to argue with you before playing the racist card.

WW1 & WWII didn’t destroy Europe (well it did but we rebuilt it) the Leftists in the Euro elite destroyed Europe. They’ve “prospered” because our military umbrella allowed them to skip paying for defense and build nanny states. They’d have either had to take a different tack or would have reached bankruptcy far sooner than they have.

Nov 2, 2009 - 12:18 pm 28. Jena:

#24 “Most of the posters on this site would have sympathized with german racial sensibilities in the 1930s, but the people on this site are an extreme fringe.”

That statement is completely inane and is out of context with your other remarks. Opposition to the current administration is defined as “extreme fringe” by the far-left mainstream media and those who goose step with them. With half of the country in opposition, these types would be terrified if they believed their own “extreme fringe” baloney.

Nov 2, 2009 - 12:48 pm 29. don:

Ah, those cosmopolitan social democrats in Europe loved the campaign foreplay, but they hate the tough love in Davos. It must have been disappointing when the multilateral rock star of engagement unilaterally canceled the European missile defense against the Islamic ICBM. And then afterwards when Obama tells Berlin, Warsaw, and Paris that NATO and those old cold war relationships are so stale and not happening, see ya, parting must have been such sweet sorrow. When the Europeans finally realized they were on there own after all the pillow talk and forced to hold depreciated dollars, they probably waxed nostalgic for Reagan and his hated Pershing missiles. A black president from the left telling those old white imperial poachers, now turned socialist game wardens, to live with the Muslims at their throats and deal with their wealth draining energy reliance on the Russians must have been a shock. Only a president from Students For A Democratic Society has the gonads to cash in the peace dividend before the war’s over, but it’s probably time the Europeans grew up.

Nov 2, 2009 - 12:58 pm 30. "gunner":

#18 deguello,
bienvenido amigo, you indeed give no quarter and take no prisoners.

Nov 2, 2009 - 1:12 pm 31. Marc Malone:

#27 Real Deal – Cut gus some slack. He is not totally wrong in all he says. He has been fed a lot of misinformation. Still, he recognizes some truths. He just hasn’t reconciled all he knows. There is no consistent view.

He conveys his contempt for Old Europe. He acknowledges America’s Pax Americana. He acknowledges that denocracy has moved here. But he also condemns those of us here, who strongly share the Founders views of things, as fringe group extremists. He doesn’t know that the Founders today would be the most right-wing of us all. He doesn’t get that Reagan was one of us. He doesn’t understand our feeling of the common bond of Western Civilization heritage we share with Europe.

I think gus will sort it out over time.

Nov 2, 2009 - 1:17 pm 32. Poor Citizen:

And dont even get us started on andorra and the vatican…man o man…

Nov 2, 2009 - 1:26 pm 33. deguello:

#24 I was wondering when the hidden troll would emerge,complete with the usual,worn out, racial smear. predictable,trite and irrelevant;you just lost your credibility with me Gus.

Nov 2, 2009 - 1:35 pm 34. misanthropicus:

Obama’s success in Europe: emboldened enemies and less and less friends – his handlers are very happy with him.

Now we know that just weeks ago, when Obama was busy finessing his golf, Russia and Bielorussia conducted a large krieg-spiel at the Polish border, on the scenario of a post-nuclear strike, then invasion of Poland.

Hardly an encouraging response to Obama’s expectations from Russia after his astute removal of the missile shield from Europe – no Iran deal, yet the bully is back on the NATO’s eastern border.

Also, Russia again began the gas valve game with Ukraine, then since winter is here, expect more excitement in the Russia-Baltic republics relationships.

Incompetence? Deliberate sedition and betrayal of America’s interests?
Considering that Obama was able to cynically & cruelly delay the help to our troops in Afghanistan in order to try to secure some radical votes in tomorrow’s elections, I see all his foreign affairs moves as sheer sedition.

Nov 2, 2009 - 2:37 pm 35. misanthropicus:

RE #9/Now and Then:
[...] Yeah, and just wait until he pisses off the entire country of Africa. [...]

Sorry, he can’t do that since his Austrian is perfect.

Nov 2, 2009 - 2:39 pm 36. zhombre:

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Nov 2, 2009 - 3:58 pm 37. deguello:

#30 Gunner: A sus ordenes mi general!

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:57 am 38. ella:

@34

Yes, Poles were rather disappointed in Obama, but hey, he only follows the example of Brits behaviour at the beginning of the II WW. However there is silver lining to all this – Polish businesses now happily go to Iran trying to get Iranian oil business. And the more business they get the more happy I will be for them. Thanks to Obama.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:10 pm 39. Pragmatist:

The left wing Trolls are hilarious ‘deguello’ thinks the way forward is to support Mohammedan Terrorism such nice tolerant people hey ‘deguello’???? and Now and Then displays his incredible stupidity yet again by talking about the Africa the COUNTRY????????

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:31 pm 40. Pragmatist:

BTW all you Nationalistic Americans your INCREDIBLY SHORT LIVED Empire wasn’t Pax Americana or any other ‘pie in the sky’ wishful thinking it was purely and simply ECONOMIC DOMINANCE which you obtained by sitting on the fence and selling to BOTH sides in both WW1 and WWII and reinforced by making sure those wicked Europeans got rid of THEIR Empires after WWII so YOU could establish YOUR Financial EMPIRE unopposed.

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:59 pm 41. tom swift:

I’m certainly no fan of The Won, but I think he should be criticized for the dumb stuff he’s said, not the dumb stuff he hasn’t said. Specifically, there IS a language called Austrian, and it ain’t German.

I knew an old bat in New York, an immigrant who always insisted that Franz Josef was her King. She often spoke an odd language which at the time I didn’t recognize; when asked, she said that it was Austrian. I later learned that it was Italian. She herself was almost certainly Croatian, though she invariably called herself Austrian.

So … you would call the language native to her area (Fiume, near Trieste) Italian, I would call it Italian, but a native called it Austrian. Go figure.

Nov 4, 2009 - 2:35 am 42. John "birther" Samford:

#40 Pragmatist,
You are correct. That leads us to another question. Since the USA was smart enough to hoodwink the old European empires and sneak off with the crown jewels. Then turn around and establish hegemony without lifting a rifle, why doesn’t Old Europe recognize our strategic superiority and co-operate in achieving our common goals?
Envy? Is the EU in a snit because they think they can regain their empires?
As long as I’m asking questions, Now that the EU is ONE nation, which Security Council seat will you give up? It isn’t right for the EU to have 2 seats.
I don’t think it is allowed either. Plus all those former nations in what was old Europe need to give up their general assembly seats. Otherwise Texas and California would have seats in the General assembly too.

Nov 4, 2009 - 4:50 am 43. Mirco:

@Tom Swift
She was not Austrian, she was Istrian (from Istria).
Istria was populated from Italians and part of Italy, but they were forced to flee from there as they were subjected to attacks and pogroms. Then Istria become part of Yugoslavia.
The infamous “foibe” are profound holes in the mountains around Trieste where Italians were throw (often alive). Google about them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foibe_massacres

Nov 4, 2009 - 2:21 pm