Comments on: Europe’s War on Free Speech http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:21:09 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Marie Claude http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-203798 Marie Claude Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:37:57 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-203798 cher Mr Krebs, I read the afferent article, but unfortunately it doesn't give numbers for France, but for the global EU and for a few EU countrie also, I know that people like to point on France first, but the very people who suffered from Holocaust don't say that we were the worsts, besides the war casualties numbers corroborate their dire ; here a witness http://kimel.net/france.html cher Mr Krebs, I read the afferent article, but unfortunately it doesn’t give numbers for France, but for the global EU and for a few EU countrie

also, I know that people like to point on France first, but the very people who suffered from Holocaust don’t say that we were the worsts, besides the war casualties numbers corroborate their dire ;

here a witness

http://kimel.net/france.html

]]> By: Nicolas Krebs http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-201336 Nicolas Krebs Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:50:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-201336 "for demanding that Muslims anaesthetize animals before slaughtering them." (Soeren Kern) No. Brigitte Bardot has been convicted for claiming that Muslims were ruling France and destroying its culture. "Not only are European elites using hate crime legislation to silence people with opinions that do not conform to official state policies." Opinions like claiming that Jews are ruling Europe and destroying its culture or that Shoah did not append, because something called "World War 2". "If Geert Wilders falls, then Freedom of speech is dead in Europe." (<a href="#comment-72" rel="nofollow">zebu</a>) There as never been total freedom of speech in Europe (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">neither in USA</a>). “for demanding that Muslims anaesthetize animals before slaughtering them.” (Soeren Kern)

No. Brigitte Bardot has been convicted for claiming that Muslims were ruling France and destroying its culture.

“Not only are European elites using hate crime legislation to silence people with opinions that do not conform to official state policies.”

Opinions like claiming that Jews are ruling Europe and destroying its culture or that Shoah did not append, because something called “World War 2″.

“If Geert Wilders falls, then Freedom of speech is dead in Europe.” (zebu)

There as never been total freedom of speech in Europe (neither in USA).

]]> By: zebu http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-198902 zebu Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:14:25 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-198902 If Geert Wilders falls, then Freedom of speech is dead in Europe. We are launching an extensive International Action SITA including two possible texts ; one comparing Wilders and Winston Churchill and another Wilders and Charlie Chaplin: http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-winston-wilders-against-islamic-fascism-and-its-dhimmis (Winston Eng) http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-charlie-wilders-against-islamic-fascism (Charlie Eng) To support Geert Wilders and our dearly acquired freedoms please participate to the 2 suggested actions and transmit this message to your friends owners of a website in order they publish it. An other way to support Geert Wilders is to give some money. To donate: www.geertwilders.nl If Geert Wilders falls, then Freedom of speech is dead in Europe. We are launching an extensive International Action SITA including two possible texts ; one comparing Wilders and Winston Churchill and another Wilders and Charlie Chaplin:

http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-winston-wilders-against-islamic-fascism-and-its-dhimmis (Winston Eng)

http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-charlie-wilders-against-islamic-fascism (Charlie Eng)

To support Geert Wilders and our dearly acquired freedoms please participate to the 2 suggested actions and transmit this message to your friends owners of a website in order they publish it.

An other way to support Geert Wilders is to give some money. To donate: http://www.geertwilders.nl

]]> By: robert groos http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-197037 robert groos Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:32:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-197037 Wilders movie " FITNA" shows only the truth about Islam. planes into buildings, barracks blown up, trains blown up, public executions and amputations, stonings, teaching 3 year olds to call Jews "PIGS" and APES" 6 year olds getting military training, that is what Islam does and that is what Fitna shows. Nothing but hate and more hate. And our Judges and Courts are protecting those animals by limiting free speech. There is a lot more we can say about Islam and none of it is good. Read the Koran it reads like Mein Kampf. Wilders movie ” FITNA” shows only the truth about Islam. planes into buildings, barracks blown up, trains blown up, public executions and amputations, stonings, teaching 3 year olds to call Jews “PIGS” and APES” 6 year olds getting military training, that is what Islam does and that is what Fitna shows. Nothing but hate and more hate. And our Judges and Courts are protecting those animals by limiting free speech. There is a lot more we can say about Islam and none of it is good. Read the Koran it reads like Mein Kampf.

]]> By: Marie Claude http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-196813 Marie Claude Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:59:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-196813 Oscar, it's not "officially" told or written, though the Frenchs instinctivaly refrain themselves from provocating the different communities, but they don't comply to their requests for so ; see where it is difficult to become a terrorist : http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4316 besides, we expell discretly about 30 000 illegal immigrants each years, included from our Dom Toms (abroad territories) ; no imam with hateful sermons can stay on our soil, they are sent back to where they came from !!! though there is still the "surburbs problem", not really linked to a religion contest, but to a civilisation contest, mostly expressed through idleness, gangsterism and political manipulations from Al Jaazira. We have to redefine our identity, not only gallic, frank... but also mediterranean ; the education of imams in french envision of our secular republic is important ; this has already started last year, when an university degree in french language, laws and values, was decreated for them if they want to talk in the french mosquees ; plus, the mosquees are surveyed by our renseignements. so, I'm hoping this will not go worst for us, but for the other EU countries, yes, I am afraid of that !!! Oscar, it’s not “officially” told or written, though the Frenchs instinctivaly refrain themselves from provocating the different communities, but they don’t comply to their requests for so ; see where it is difficult to become a terrorist :

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4316

besides, we expell discretly about 30 000 illegal immigrants each years, included from our Dom Toms (abroad territories) ; no imam with hateful sermons can stay on our soil, they are sent back to where they came from !!!

though there is still the “surburbs problem”, not really linked to a religion contest, but to a civilisation contest, mostly expressed through idleness, gangsterism and political manipulations from Al Jaazira.

We have to redefine our identity, not only gallic, frank… but also mediterranean ; the education of imams in french envision of our secular republic is important ; this has already started last year, when an university degree in french language, laws and values, was decreated for them if they want to talk in the french mosquees ; plus, the mosquees are surveyed by our renseignements.

so, I’m hoping this will not go worst for us, but for the other EU countries, yes, I am afraid of that !!!

]]> By: Oscar the Grump http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-196693 Oscar the Grump Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:33:35 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-196693 Marie Claude, I'm reading your insight to the French legal and social system. Here in the USA we are so used to freedom of speech that it doesn't even occur to us that an advanced country such as France would limit that right or that there could be judicial reprisal for such a thing. Become a hunter and learn to shoot a gun. You still have the right to defend yourself, do it the American way. It may become a necessary evil. By the way, I thought of another French thing I like---Bridgette Bardo! Marie Claude,
I’m reading your insight to the French legal and social system. Here in the USA we are so used to freedom of speech that it doesn’t even occur to us that an advanced country such as France would limit that right or that there could be judicial reprisal for such a thing. Become a hunter and learn to shoot a gun. You still have the right to defend yourself, do it the American way. It may become a necessary evil.

By the way, I thought of another French thing I like—Bridgette Bardo!

]]> By: Oscar the Grump http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-196568 Oscar the Grump Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:17:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-196568 Marie Claude Well said. Thanks you've been fun. Marie Claude
Well said. Thanks you’ve been fun.

]]> By: Marie Claude http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-196527 Marie Claude Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:01:13 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-196527 ah Oscar, love your nic :lol: your completely right until : <i>The basic American is a really decent person (sorry my love, better than the French) and they deserve better than what’s just been doled out to them.</i> you defend your banner, I defend mine, so, let's make it fifty-fifty, there are good and decent persons in both part of the pond, though sometimes difficult for them to realise it through the fuzzy net and medias bias !!! uh, you seems quite decent, even with your preferance for "rude" persons (I do too, I never liked the political correctness :lol:) ah Oscar, love your nic :lol:

your completely right until : The basic American is a really decent person (sorry my love, better than the French) and they deserve better than what’s just been doled out to them.

you defend your banner, I defend mine, so, let’s make it fifty-fifty, there are good and decent persons in both part of the pond, though sometimes difficult for them to realise it through the fuzzy net and medias bias !!!

uh, you seems quite decent, even with your preferance for “rude” persons (I do too, I never liked the political correctness :lol: )

]]> By: Marie Claude http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-196521 Marie Claude Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:50:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-196521 view from afar, he, you seem to improve in your understanding the french psychology :lol: well, there haven't had any kind of freedom of speech in France like our US counterpart, cause of our former religions wars, first, you couldn't openly say you were for protestantism, but for the official religion, catholiscism, that was the banner of the french kingdom ; second, after the Holocaust, kind of blind law forbidded us to profess that we were anti some population ; any twisted talk, even irony could be understood as a verbal and dangerous agression, that could also be pursued in trials ; third, since the muslims and our former colonies immigration, there seem to be an ambiant guiltiness sentiment that they press on us, it's more difficult to talk about them without the threat of a trial pursuit by their zeelous associations, though it is rare that they threaten us to death, cuz our rensignments aren't kinda gentle with those that risk such threats, so they prefer to go in tribunals and get lot of money... view from afar, he, you seem to improve in your understanding the french psychology :lol: well, there haven’t had any kind of freedom of speech in France like our US counterpart, cause of our former religions wars, first, you couldn’t openly say you were for protestantism, but for the official religion, catholiscism, that was the banner of the french kingdom ; second, after the Holocaust, kind of blind law forbidded us to profess that we were anti some population ; any twisted talk, even irony could be understood as a verbal and dangerous agression, that could also be pursued in trials ; third, since the muslims and our former colonies immigration, there seem to be an ambiant guiltiness sentiment that they press on us, it’s more difficult to talk about them without the threat of a trial pursuit by their zeelous associations, though it is rare that they threaten us to death, cuz our rensignments aren’t kinda gentle with those that risk such threats, so they prefer to go in tribunals and get lot of money…

]]> By: Tyler http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/europes-war-on-free-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-196509 Tyler Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:08:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=45443#comment-196509 They resort to dubious camaoflaged threats of prosecution and persecution because they know that their virulent political philosophies do not hold sway in the realm of free debate and thought. They resort to dubious camaoflaged threats of prosecution and persecution because they know that their virulent political philosophies do not hold sway in the realm of free debate and thought.

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