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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/face-off-should-the-us-attack-iran-before-january-20/comment-page-2/#comment-141935</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to thank all of you for your input.  Especially those who have information based on actual knowledge and research.

No matter how anyone may take a stance (right, left, middle or side-wise), no one can question that this country is in trouble.

Regardless of how I registered many years ago, I have always voted for the individual who is the best candidate to be placed in the position as president of the United States.  In addition, I believe in the scale of justice.  In other words, we need an even scale for both Democrat and Republican representatives.  For that reason, look at the statistics.  No, not the media.  In fact, the media creates so much &quot;spin&quot; that people really do not know what to believe.  If you do not research the material presented, you do not know the truth.

It appears we will be faced with a complete turn around (the scale will be largely tipped to the far left).  It also appears that we will be faced with universal logic.  I do not believe there is anyone (whether Democrat or Republican) who does not want change for the better.  But, drastic change is not a realistic approach.  And, if the candidate is not truthfully forthcoming with this change, we will be in a world of hurt.

So many times I have heard people in regret because of a vote they placed for a candidate.  Many do not have the time to research the issues at stake and where an individual candidate actually stands.  They rely solely on the commercials we see on television which have been cut and pasted so heavily.

In addition, look at what Obama has spent on this campaign to get elected?  The millions of dollars speak for themselves.  Why doesn&#039;t he and his campaign put aside some of this money to help those who are truly suffering and/or in need?  Instead, take a piece of pie (as is quoted from his partner) from someone who has more and give it away to those less fortunate).  Will Obama and his wife give away some of their pie?

The reality of Obama&#039;s health plan is that he is in support of keeping the people who are healthy, healthy with health preventative testing.  That is great.  But where does that leave those who already have health issues?  For those who are currently healthy, you are blessed.  In addition, your health can change in an instant regardless of your age.

He also is in support of health care for all children.  On its face, of course that is good.  That does not include adults.  Also, he has indicated he will penalize the parent who does not provide their child with coverage.  He was reluctant during debate to indicate exactly what that penalty would be.

In an earlier comment, I wrote about where I believe our stance is as a nation and worldwide concern.  Is it no small wonder that Americans are so challenged?  Change is good.  But, not change that will lead us down a one-way road of regret.

The election is just around the corner.  God bless us all.  Goodness knows, we certainly will need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to thank all of you for your input.  Especially those who have information based on actual knowledge and research.</p>
<p>No matter how anyone may take a stance (right, left, middle or side-wise), no one can question that this country is in trouble.</p>
<p>Regardless of how I registered many years ago, I have always voted for the individual who is the best candidate to be placed in the position as president of the United States.  In addition, I believe in the scale of justice.  In other words, we need an even scale for both Democrat and Republican representatives.  For that reason, look at the statistics.  No, not the media.  In fact, the media creates so much &#8220;spin&#8221; that people really do not know what to believe.  If you do not research the material presented, you do not know the truth.</p>
<p>It appears we will be faced with a complete turn around (the scale will be largely tipped to the far left).  It also appears that we will be faced with universal logic.  I do not believe there is anyone (whether Democrat or Republican) who does not want change for the better.  But, drastic change is not a realistic approach.  And, if the candidate is not truthfully forthcoming with this change, we will be in a world of hurt.</p>
<p>So many times I have heard people in regret because of a vote they placed for a candidate.  Many do not have the time to research the issues at stake and where an individual candidate actually stands.  They rely solely on the commercials we see on television which have been cut and pasted so heavily.</p>
<p>In addition, look at what Obama has spent on this campaign to get elected?  The millions of dollars speak for themselves.  Why doesn&#8217;t he and his campaign put aside some of this money to help those who are truly suffering and/or in need?  Instead, take a piece of pie (as is quoted from his partner) from someone who has more and give it away to those less fortunate).  Will Obama and his wife give away some of their pie?</p>
<p>The reality of Obama&#8217;s health plan is that he is in support of keeping the people who are healthy, healthy with health preventative testing.  That is great.  But where does that leave those who already have health issues?  For those who are currently healthy, you are blessed.  In addition, your health can change in an instant regardless of your age.</p>
<p>He also is in support of health care for all children.  On its face, of course that is good.  That does not include adults.  Also, he has indicated he will penalize the parent who does not provide their child with coverage.  He was reluctant during debate to indicate exactly what that penalty would be.</p>
<p>In an earlier comment, I wrote about where I believe our stance is as a nation and worldwide concern.  Is it no small wonder that Americans are so challenged?  Change is good.  But, not change that will lead us down a one-way road of regret.</p>
<p>The election is just around the corner.  God bless us all.  Goodness knows, we certainly will need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael.

I can see quite well thank you.  And this &quot;bleeding heart liberal&quot; ia well prepared to defend himself not to mention support those who are fighting on my behalf.

I just don&#039;t see how bombing people back to the stone age is the solution to a rather complex issue.  Men who think so are overcompensating for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael.</p>
<p>I can see quite well thank you.  And this &#8220;bleeding heart liberal&#8221; ia well prepared to defend himself not to mention support those who are fighting on my behalf.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see how bombing people back to the stone age is the solution to a rather complex issue.  Men who think so are overcompensating for something.</p>
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		<title>By: B Dubya</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Dubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facts and suppositions:
1. US oil reserves (Bakken formation and others) give us the ability to achieve strategic independance for oil and oil products. Just knowing that, and just shouting Dril! Drill! Drill! was enough to shut Putin down in Georgia.
2. Oil (OPEC) based political and ecomnomic extortion only works when your intended victim has no other options. We have several.
3. Falling oil prices are doing more to unseat Aminadinnerjacket and the Mullahs than anything short of a military strike could hope to produce. As his economy is pegged to oil, the Iranian&#039;s political future declines as he continues to fail to deliver the goods to his supposed nation of martyrs.
4. My expectation is that Israeli on-ground intell in Iran is vastly better than the American Left and the Iranians believes it to be. Even if the Iranian nuke effort is dispersed, its points of interest are now known, for future strike planning purposes.
5. The US will not first strike Iran. There is no benefit to be had by a pre-emptive strike by us. Israel will act as our proxy in this matter.
6. Israel has already demonstrated that they can defeat the Iranian air defenses. 
7. Nuclear weapons need not be employed to strike the Iranian nuclear facilities. Current generation conventional weapons (loaned to a helpful proxy) would be more efficient and less messy on the PR front. Collateral damage would be limted appropriately to Iranians actually occupying the targeted facilities. It is important the the Iranian leadership should survive the strike in order to maximize loss of face.
8. Sugical strikes and a living Iranian leadership will not result in a mass realignment of Iranian popular sentiment to them. On the contrary, the leadership will get the full credit for getting what they begged for.
9. Because the Iranians are being propped up to a great degree by Russian ambitions, we should focus on western hemispere actors of a similar bent when the Isrealis strike Iran. Venezuela/Chavez is our job.

If the Iranians do anything overtly stupid between now and then, such as actually deploy even a low yield nuclear device outside their borders, then all bets are off and the Persian Sea of Glass is a done deal.

By the way, if you are an Obamabot, get down on your knees and thank whatever deity you pray to that I am not George W. Bush. I am not hindered by the plethora of non-Rovian thoughts that gentleman has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facts and suppositions:<br />
1. US oil reserves (Bakken formation and others) give us the ability to achieve strategic independance for oil and oil products. Just knowing that, and just shouting Dril! Drill! Drill! was enough to shut Putin down in Georgia.<br />
2. Oil (OPEC) based political and ecomnomic extortion only works when your intended victim has no other options. We have several.<br />
3. Falling oil prices are doing more to unseat Aminadinnerjacket and the Mullahs than anything short of a military strike could hope to produce. As his economy is pegged to oil, the Iranian&#8217;s political future declines as he continues to fail to deliver the goods to his supposed nation of martyrs.<br />
4. My expectation is that Israeli on-ground intell in Iran is vastly better than the American Left and the Iranians believes it to be. Even if the Iranian nuke effort is dispersed, its points of interest are now known, for future strike planning purposes.<br />
5. The US will not first strike Iran. There is no benefit to be had by a pre-emptive strike by us. Israel will act as our proxy in this matter.<br />
6. Israel has already demonstrated that they can defeat the Iranian air defenses.<br />
7. Nuclear weapons need not be employed to strike the Iranian nuclear facilities. Current generation conventional weapons (loaned to a helpful proxy) would be more efficient and less messy on the PR front. Collateral damage would be limted appropriately to Iranians actually occupying the targeted facilities. It is important the the Iranian leadership should survive the strike in order to maximize loss of face.<br />
8. Sugical strikes and a living Iranian leadership will not result in a mass realignment of Iranian popular sentiment to them. On the contrary, the leadership will get the full credit for getting what they begged for.<br />
9. Because the Iranians are being propped up to a great degree by Russian ambitions, we should focus on western hemispere actors of a similar bent when the Isrealis strike Iran. Venezuela/Chavez is our job.</p>
<p>If the Iranians do anything overtly stupid between now and then, such as actually deploy even a low yield nuclear device outside their borders, then all bets are off and the Persian Sea of Glass is a done deal.</p>
<p>By the way, if you are an Obamabot, get down on your knees and thank whatever deity you pray to that I am not George W. Bush. I am not hindered by the plethora of non-Rovian thoughts that gentleman has.</p>
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		<title>By: David F.</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/face-off-should-the-us-attack-iran-before-january-20/comment-page-2/#comment-140517</link>
		<dc:creator>David F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll just be happy when all right wing criminals are in Jail, like Ted Stevens.   YES!!    Criminals don&#039;t belong in government.  Another victory for the American people, putting scum behind bars.   Hey, do you think we&#039;ll see him on FOX?  Bad Boys, Bad Boys, watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do when we come for you?    No more oil companies bribing republican politicians for favors.    The people are taking back our government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just be happy when all right wing criminals are in Jail, like Ted Stevens.   YES!!    Criminals don&#8217;t belong in government.  Another victory for the American people, putting scum behind bars.   Hey, do you think we&#8217;ll see him on FOX?  Bad Boys, Bad Boys, watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do when we come for you?    No more oil companies bribing republican politicians for favors.    The people are taking back our government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: David F.</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/face-off-should-the-us-attack-iran-before-january-20/comment-page-2/#comment-140503</link>
		<dc:creator>David F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Boehner,  Boehner, the guy&#039;s name is Boehner.  He should meet Dick Army.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Boehner,  Boehner, the guy&#8217;s name is Boehner.  He should meet Dick Army.</p>
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		<title>By: David F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, let&#039;s use the peas inhabiting your right wing m&amp;m shells you morons call brains.    If there is no petroleum to ship, and the shipping lanes are destroyed, that means that gasoline production will be shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, let&#8217;s use the peas inhabiting your right wing m&amp;m shells you morons call brains.    If there is no petroleum to ship, and the shipping lanes are destroyed, that means that gasoline production will be shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: David F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where does the oil come from that is refined in Houston?   Where is it shipped from?    60% is not 100%.    Destroy shipping and drilling and there is no oil to refine.    Think about that b4 you respond Ex-fetus.  

Who shot missiles at Saudi Arabia in 91&#039;?  &quot;The target was a CITY.&quot;  What city?   Where are these chainguns and laser point systems deployed?   What are they called?   What are the divisions and battalions called?    

Even making the assumption that everything you said is true,(and that&#039;s a big assumption), are you making a case to attack Iran based on the premise that Houston refines 60% of our crude oil imports and silkworms are not reliable based on the 100% protection of the oil drilling, refining and shipping infrastructure of chainguns and laser point systems?  Are you saying that?!!!!!!?   Do you smoke marijuana or drop acid?  I thought this was a right-wing site?  Who let the hippie in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does the oil come from that is refined in Houston?   Where is it shipped from?    60% is not 100%.    Destroy shipping and drilling and there is no oil to refine.    Think about that b4 you respond Ex-fetus.  </p>
<p>Who shot missiles at Saudi Arabia in 91&#8242;?  &#8220;The target was a CITY.&#8221;  What city?   Where are these chainguns and laser point systems deployed?   What are they called?   What are the divisions and battalions called?    </p>
<p>Even making the assumption that everything you said is true,(and that&#8217;s a big assumption), are you making a case to attack Iran based on the premise that Houston refines 60% of our crude oil imports and silkworms are not reliable based on the 100% protection of the oil drilling, refining and shipping infrastructure of chainguns and laser point systems?  Are you saying that?!!!!!!?   Do you smoke marijuana or drop acid?  I thought this was a right-wing site?  Who let the hippie in?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled onto this page following election stories, but decided to read some of the blog...it is scary that you are even having a discussion about pre-emptive attacks and dropping nukes.  The one guy who posited that we&#039;d only loose a division or two, are you crazy??? That could be up to 40,000 US lives! It seems to me we wouldn&#039;t have been having these types of way out of control discussion when President Regan was around.  He understood the concept of &quot;speak softly and carry a big stick&quot;.  You bloodthirsty type seem to have no regard for the collateral effects of military action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled onto this page following election stories, but decided to read some of the blog&#8230;it is scary that you are even having a discussion about pre-emptive attacks and dropping nukes.  The one guy who posited that we&#8217;d only loose a division or two, are you crazy??? That could be up to 40,000 US lives! It seems to me we wouldn&#8217;t have been having these types of way out of control discussion when President Regan was around.  He understood the concept of &#8220;speak softly and carry a big stick&#8221;.  You bloodthirsty type seem to have no regard for the collateral effects of military action.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many comments to read and give serious thought.

Very early into this campaign I decided I would listen openly to both sides.  I do know one thing, I do not want someone entertaining the thought of corporate table negotiations when the lives of our soldiers and the American people are hanging on a limb.

The United States throughout history has maintained the position that we are not vulnerable.  Even with the horrific losses of 9/11, it seems that we have forgotten how vulnerable we really are.

Why cannot people simply understand that these people do not care about us (realistically hate us)?  Yes, the economy is a major problem.  However, if and when we are the recepient of another vicious attack on our country, who do you want making a decision which is hinged on minutes?  Someone who has never even been in the battle field or someone who has been in the battle field and understands the logistics of war?

I suppose when we are all gone this all really will not matter.  But what are we leaving behind for our children and their descendents?  Corporate negotiations?  I think Wall Street has demonstrated enough of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many comments to read and give serious thought.</p>
<p>Very early into this campaign I decided I would listen openly to both sides.  I do know one thing, I do not want someone entertaining the thought of corporate table negotiations when the lives of our soldiers and the American people are hanging on a limb.</p>
<p>The United States throughout history has maintained the position that we are not vulnerable.  Even with the horrific losses of 9/11, it seems that we have forgotten how vulnerable we really are.</p>
<p>Why cannot people simply understand that these people do not care about us (realistically hate us)?  Yes, the economy is a major problem.  However, if and when we are the recepient of another vicious attack on our country, who do you want making a decision which is hinged on minutes?  Someone who has never even been in the battle field or someone who has been in the battle field and understands the logistics of war?</p>
<p>I suppose when we are all gone this all really will not matter.  But what are we leaving behind for our children and their descendents?  Corporate negotiations?  I think Wall Street has demonstrated enough of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cfbleachers, I love your posts.  They&#039;re what I would say if I could articulate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cfbleachers, I love your posts.  They&#8217;re what I would say if I could articulate it.</p>
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