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		<title>By: ZP</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/fanning-populist-rage-over-wall-street-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-205672</link>
		<dc:creator>ZP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people don&#039;t seem to understand--the bonuses are not necessarily obscene, especially if they&#039;re given to reward good performance.  The bonsues are part of these people&#039;s compensation.  The better they perform, the more they should earn.  If government is helping them get back on their feet, then let&#039;s pay competitively according to performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people don&#8217;t seem to understand&#8211;the bonuses are not necessarily obscene, especially if they&#8217;re given to reward good performance.  The bonsues are part of these people&#8217;s compensation.  The better they perform, the more they should earn.  If government is helping them get back on their feet, then let&#8217;s pay competitively according to performance.</p>
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		<title>By: HM</title>
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		<dc:creator>HM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the &quot;wall street honchos who jump on their private jets without going through security,&quot; I agree with you: no one cares if they blow themselves up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the &#8220;wall street honchos who jump on their private jets without going through security,&#8221; I agree with you: no one cares if they blow themselves up.</p>
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		<title>By: Shef Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shef Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that they want tax money while paying obscene bonuses. Is it really so hard to understand why that would make hard-pressed taxpayers angry? This whole article is disingenuous, to put it politely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that they want tax money while paying obscene bonuses. Is it really so hard to understand why that would make hard-pressed taxpayers angry? This whole article is disingenuous, to put it politely.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only there was more of an uproar over completely inept and corrupt Congress members that are destroying this country only so they can become wealthy and have the worlds greatest retirement plan.  Talk about rewarded, 9% approval ratings and most of these schmucks just roll on in for another term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only there was more of an uproar over completely inept and corrupt Congress members that are destroying this country only so they can become wealthy and have the worlds greatest retirement plan.  Talk about rewarded, 9% approval ratings and most of these schmucks just roll on in for another term.</p>
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		<title>By: Ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I agree - but do we want the government to have the power to &quot;regulate&quot; the bonus money that executive management gets, or should that be a function of that firm&#039;s Board?  Think Enron and the resultant SOX legislation.  Has SOX benefitted anybody?  No - but you better believe that Boards of Directors all over the country sat up and paid attention when they saw what happened to Enron investors and employees.

Let these banks be tried in the court of public opinion -- plaster their indiscretions all over the web and shame them into becoming good corporate citizens.  But don&#039;t take away our liberties, please.  If stock option bonuses hadn&#039;t been stripped from these corporations, we wouldn&#039;t be worried about cash bonuses anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I agree &#8211; but do we want the government to have the power to &#8220;regulate&#8221; the bonus money that executive management gets, or should that be a function of that firm&#8217;s Board?  Think Enron and the resultant SOX legislation.  Has SOX benefitted anybody?  No &#8211; but you better believe that Boards of Directors all over the country sat up and paid attention when they saw what happened to Enron investors and employees.</p>
<p>Let these banks be tried in the court of public opinion &#8212; plaster their indiscretions all over the web and shame them into becoming good corporate citizens.  But don&#8217;t take away our liberties, please.  If stock option bonuses hadn&#8217;t been stripped from these corporations, we wouldn&#8217;t be worried about cash bonuses anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: wildman</title>
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		<dc:creator>wildman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The taxes on the bonuses help pay for the rank stupidity in washington. Its a win / win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The taxes on the bonuses help pay for the rank stupidity in washington. Its a win / win.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree that the &quot;populist&quot; attacks on Wall Street by Democratic politicians ring a bit false.  But that doesn&#039;t mean that Wall Street firms have behaved well.  It seems that in the bonuses paid by Merrill Lynch just before the firm was acquired by Bank of America (and paid out earlier than was the custom, probably to get the money out before the deal closing) there were 700 people who received at least $1 million and about 150 who got $3 million or more.  This in a year when the firm lost $17 billion.

This was rank looting of Merrill, and everyone should face up to that.  It was deliberately looting money that should have stayed in the firm to bolster its capital position or have been paid to shareholders.  What possible excuse can there be for paying an upper management $1 billion in bonuses for losing $17 billion?  That the Board conspired with management to make this possible does not make it less a ripping off of shareholders who were left holding the bag.

Then, to make matters worse, this turkey of a firm carried forward its rapidly deteriorating assets into Bank of America, so that its shareholders may face being wiped out (the incompetence of BofA&#039;s management in working this deal should get them tossed out as well.

On top of all that, the taxpayers wind up footing the bill.

It seems to me that conservatives should be just as angry about this as liberals -- particularly if they owned stock in any one of a hundred financial services companies that have been terribly managed. It&#039;s preposterous to defend those managers paying themselves bonuses. 

http://thepurplecenter.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree that the &#8220;populist&#8221; attacks on Wall Street by Democratic politicians ring a bit false.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean that Wall Street firms have behaved well.  It seems that in the bonuses paid by Merrill Lynch just before the firm was acquired by Bank of America (and paid out earlier than was the custom, probably to get the money out before the deal closing) there were 700 people who received at least $1 million and about 150 who got $3 million or more.  This in a year when the firm lost $17 billion.</p>
<p>This was rank looting of Merrill, and everyone should face up to that.  It was deliberately looting money that should have stayed in the firm to bolster its capital position or have been paid to shareholders.  What possible excuse can there be for paying an upper management $1 billion in bonuses for losing $17 billion?  That the Board conspired with management to make this possible does not make it less a ripping off of shareholders who were left holding the bag.</p>
<p>Then, to make matters worse, this turkey of a firm carried forward its rapidly deteriorating assets into Bank of America, so that its shareholders may face being wiped out (the incompetence of BofA&#8217;s management in working this deal should get them tossed out as well.</p>
<p>On top of all that, the taxpayers wind up footing the bill.</p>
<p>It seems to me that conservatives should be just as angry about this as liberals &#8212; particularly if they owned stock in any one of a hundred financial services companies that have been terribly managed. It&#8217;s preposterous to defend those managers paying themselves bonuses. </p>
<p><a href="http://thepurplecenter.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thepurplecenter.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the US Government website:
http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/federal.shtml

&lt;B&gt;Executive Branch&lt;/b&gt;
The executive branch of the government is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land. The president, vice president, department heads (cabinet members), and heads of independent agencies carry out this mission.

&lt;b&gt;Judicial Branch&lt;/b&gt;
Courts decide arguments about the meaning of laws and how they are applied. They also decide if laws violate the Constitution—this is known as judicial review, and it is how federal courts provide checks and balances on the legislative and executive branches.

&lt;b&gt;Legislative Branch&lt;/b&gt;
Article I of the Constitution establishes the legislative or law making branch of government. It has a two-branch Congress—the Senate and the House of Representatives — and agencies that support Congress.

Three Agencies that Support Congress

    * Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
    * Government Accountability Office (GAO)
    * Medicare Payment Advisory Commission

Congress is the branch of government that is playing with our money and our economy. These three agencies are apparently poorly staffed. I include the medicare folks because the last iteration of the bailout had tucked away, hidden from sight, a nice little medical package that will make the Government responsible for dictating what medical procedures you and I will &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; need. I assume they&#039;ll make the medicare commission responsible.  Apparently, it isn&#039;t enough that the insurance executives get a chance at dictating our health care, now these guys want a chance at it too.

We need to fire the people who are playing fast and loose with our taxes, our &quot;bailout&quot; strategies and our political system. By demonizing capitalism and those who have successfully created wealth, the liberal, left-leaning leeches have simply ensured that the host whose blood they suck will die more quickly. 

We can&#039;t let them do this... think of all those poor people who don&#039;t work -- if the capitalist pigs and greed-mongering wealthy folk fail, all those poor &quot;disadvantaged&quot; souls might have to get jobs!  And the so-called &#039;undocumented immigrants&#039; (as if filling out documents would change things) would have to leave, too -- we&#039;d have to realize that nobody deems &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; job as being one that an American won&#039;t do.

Fire Pelosi, Frank, Reid, the whole lot of &#039;em. They work for us. Stop voting them back into power!  Let&#039;s really examine the stimulus bill and responsibly analyze what kind of good it will truly do.

Remember, we&#039;ve been here before!
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2009/01/remember-clintons-1993-stimulus-bill.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the US Government website:<br />
<a href="http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/federal.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/federal.shtml</a></p>
<p><b>Executive Branch</b><br />
The executive branch of the government is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land. The president, vice president, department heads (cabinet members), and heads of independent agencies carry out this mission.</p>
<p><b>Judicial Branch</b><br />
Courts decide arguments about the meaning of laws and how they are applied. They also decide if laws violate the Constitution—this is known as judicial review, and it is how federal courts provide checks and balances on the legislative and executive branches.</p>
<p><b>Legislative Branch</b><br />
Article I of the Constitution establishes the legislative or law making branch of government. It has a two-branch Congress—the Senate and the House of Representatives — and agencies that support Congress.</p>
<p>Three Agencies that Support Congress</p>
<p>    * Congressional Budget Office (CBO)<br />
    * Government Accountability Office (GAO)<br />
    * Medicare Payment Advisory Commission</p>
<p>Congress is the branch of government that is playing with our money and our economy. These three agencies are apparently poorly staffed. I include the medicare folks because the last iteration of the bailout had tucked away, hidden from sight, a nice little medical package that will make the Government responsible for dictating what medical procedures you and I will <b><i>really</i></b> need. I assume they&#8217;ll make the medicare commission responsible.  Apparently, it isn&#8217;t enough that the insurance executives get a chance at dictating our health care, now these guys want a chance at it too.</p>
<p>We need to fire the people who are playing fast and loose with our taxes, our &#8220;bailout&#8221; strategies and our political system. By demonizing capitalism and those who have successfully created wealth, the liberal, left-leaning leeches have simply ensured that the host whose blood they suck will die more quickly. </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t let them do this&#8230; think of all those poor people who don&#8217;t work &#8212; if the capitalist pigs and greed-mongering wealthy folk fail, all those poor &#8220;disadvantaged&#8221; souls might have to get jobs!  And the so-called &#8216;undocumented immigrants&#8217; (as if filling out documents would change things) would have to leave, too &#8212; we&#8217;d have to realize that nobody deems <i>any</i> job as being one that an American won&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>Fire Pelosi, Frank, Reid, the whole lot of &#8216;em. They work for us. Stop voting them back into power!  Let&#8217;s really examine the stimulus bill and responsibly analyze what kind of good it will truly do.</p>
<p>Remember, we&#8217;ve been here before!<br />
<a href="http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2009/01/remember-clintons-1993-stimulus-bill.html" rel="nofollow">http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2009/01/remember-clintons-1993-stimulus-bill.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: river</title>
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		<dc:creator>river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time regular folk wake up and smell the roses. 
For too long they have been told that nobody quite knows what caused the financial meltdown.
Prof Hanson (at National Review Online today) knows: 
&quot;...took enormous risks to get multimillion-dollar bonuses...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time regular folk wake up and smell the roses.<br />
For too long they have been told that nobody quite knows what caused the financial meltdown.<br />
Prof Hanson (at National Review Online today) knows:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;took enormous risks to get multimillion-dollar bonuses&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only shareholders and creditors have a stake in corporate greed and watse.  It is only the government&#039;s decision to become a shareholder and creditor that gives tax payers cause to be concerned about how businesses&#039; conduct their affairs.  And now the government, having chosen to bail these loosers out with our money, stirs up our outrage at their greed to justify more and more control over how they run the businesses.  The money was the Trojan horse.  Now the army of socialists is coming out.  Don;t fall for it.  People are rightly outraged at these companies for taking the money in the first place and for misusing it.  But the remedy we should be calling for is not socialism (that is what we ask for when we want our government to tell businesses whom to pay, how much to pay them, what to make, etc.).  Rather, the remedy we should demand is that our money be repaid pronto and that we have our free markets restored.  Those of us who don&#039;t want to be socilaists need to keep our eye on the ball and not be duped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only shareholders and creditors have a stake in corporate greed and watse.  It is only the government&#8217;s decision to become a shareholder and creditor that gives tax payers cause to be concerned about how businesses&#8217; conduct their affairs.  And now the government, having chosen to bail these loosers out with our money, stirs up our outrage at their greed to justify more and more control over how they run the businesses.  The money was the Trojan horse.  Now the army of socialists is coming out.  Don;t fall for it.  People are rightly outraged at these companies for taking the money in the first place and for misusing it.  But the remedy we should be calling for is not socialism (that is what we ask for when we want our government to tell businesses whom to pay, how much to pay them, what to make, etc.).  Rather, the remedy we should demand is that our money be repaid pronto and that we have our free markets restored.  Those of us who don&#8217;t want to be socilaists need to keep our eye on the ball and not be duped.</p>
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