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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 08:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time to DE-FUND PBS!.  Using federal funds to pay for television programs are blatantly unconstitutional, &amp; the free market TV networks can produce a much better quality product anyway.

It time to call for the separation of media &amp; state!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time to DE-FUND PBS!.  Using federal funds to pay for television programs are blatantly unconstitutional, &amp; the free market TV networks can produce a much better quality product anyway.</p>
<p>It time to call for the separation of media &amp; state!</p>
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		<title>By: william jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>william jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 15:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Elanore above, I feel duped. I knew PBS had a prediliction for leftist politics but I felt they tried to be unbiased. Now it seems we are being mislead and once again the public gets the shaft.
The last time someone tried to make changes  at PBS and NPR they were fed to the lions.
Is there no defeat for leftism once it becomes entrenched?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Elanore above, I feel duped. I knew PBS had a prediliction for leftist politics but I felt they tried to be unbiased. Now it seems we are being mislead and once again the public gets the shaft.<br />
The last time someone tried to make changes  at PBS and NPR they were fed to the lions.<br />
Is there no defeat for leftism once it becomes entrenched?</p>
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		<title>By: dennis j dyrhaug</title>
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		<dc:creator>dennis j dyrhaug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 10:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sending a copy of this to my local PBS station with a note denying any future financial support unless they relent and show this documentry
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		<title>By: Eleanore F. Grefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleanore F. Grefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m oppposed to censorship in any form and I always believed PBS to be free of it....looks like a mistake was made somewhere.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m oppposed to censorship in any form and I always believed PBS to be free of it&#8230;.looks like a mistake was made somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tibor R. Machan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tibor R. Machan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[I wrote this column about the controversy:]
Over the last year or so some friends of mine have been involved in a crash course in bureaucratic corruption and bias at PBS-TV. They were invited, initially, to contribute a documentary on the conflict between moderate and radical Islamists around the world. Their contribution was well received at first, slated to be included in a series of PBS-TV programs that have just hit the television airwaves, &quot;America at a Crossroads.&quot;

Martyn Burke, the producer of the documentary &quot;Islam vs. Islamists,&quot; says his film was dropped from the series for political reasons. As reported in The Arizona Republic, he claimed &quot;I was ordered to fire my two partners (who brought me into this project) on political grounds.&quot; Burke sent a letter of complaint to PBS and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which supplied funds for the films. He said that his documentary shows the plight of moderate Muslims who are silenced by Islamic extremists, and added that &quot;Now it appears to be PBS and CPB who are silencing them.&quot; Yet, as the newspaper reports, &quot;A Jan. 30 news release by the corporation listed Islam vs. Islamists as one of eight films to be presented in the opening series.&quot; The two partners were labeled neo-conservatives by those at PBS which they regarded a serious liability, enough to cause them to cancel the showing of the documentary.

I have seen portions of this film and it is riveting. There is hardly any commentary in it. Instead all those shown, as well as the events, are allowed to speak for themselves.

It is always risky to climb into bed with the likes of PBS and NPR, both media outlets that exist by virtue of the federal government. (Sure, they also receive private support-NPR recently got big bucks from Joan Kroc&#039;s estate, the widow of McDonalds&#039; founder, who died last October and left $225 million to the organization which, incidentally, eagerly invites opponents of trans fatty foods to air their views. But with the feds, they wouldn&#039;t be.)

The few times I have gotten near such outfits I felt the censorial pinch-when, for example, in the late 80s, Bob Chitester produced a pilot for a political philosophy series, with me as the host and the late Sidney Hook as the expert guest. The show, &quot;For the Love of Work,&quot; dealt with the ideas of Karl Marx. (Chitester, you may recall, later produced Milton Friedman&#039;s immensely successful &quot;Free to Choose&quot; program.) The pilot we did was turned down somewhere in Washington after I was identified by one of the judges, according to The Wall Street Journal, as &quot;a mere popularizer of libertarianism.&quot;

More pertinent is the recently shown program, produced by Filmmakers Collaborative of San Francisco, about America&#039;s anti-trust laws, &quot;Fair Fight in the Market Place.&quot; This is pure, unabashed, and unadulterated statist propaganda. And badly produced to boot.

For one, it presents only anecdotal stories of how wonderful the anti-trust laws are, mostly based on some of the prosecutions of price fixers and industrial colluders and the hidden camera shots shown of their discussions in which they clearly indicate their knowledge that they are breaking anti-trust laws. Among those interviewed for the show there is but one (Purdue University) economists, very favorable to the Sherman and Clay anti-trust laws, with the rest all partisan state and federal prosecutors.

Not a single, solitary individual on the program gave any opinion disputing the ultimate wisdom of anti-trust law and of the history of anti-trust prosecution, not even when discussing the failed effort by the Justice Department&#039;s anti-trust division to break up Microsoft Corporation because of its supposed illegal bundling of the operating system with its own Internet browser. (I recall this case well since I took part in numerous debates, both at my own university and elsewhere, making the point that bundling should not be illegal and that it occurs time and time again throughout the market place.)

The main idea in defense of anti-trust laws is &quot;consumer choice.&quot; As if it were a proven proposition that only with anti-trust laws can there be a truly competitive market. The late Yale Brozen of the University of Chicago&#039;s graduate school of business and University of Hartford Professor Emeritus Don Armentano are just two of the prominent, well published authors who have argued against this idea.

But why be surprised? PBS, NPR and PRI (Public Radio International) are all instruments of the American federal government&#039;s self-promotion. If anyone is featured on any of their programs who disputes statism, you can be sure that there will be strong voices opposing such an individual. The rest, the cheerleaders of statism, aren&#039;t going to be allowed to be challenged.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[I wrote this column about the controversy:]<br />
Over the last year or so some friends of mine have been involved in a crash course in bureaucratic corruption and bias at PBS-TV. They were invited, initially, to contribute a documentary on the conflict between moderate and radical Islamists around the world. Their contribution was well received at first, slated to be included in a series of PBS-TV programs that have just hit the television airwaves, &#8220;America at a Crossroads.&#8221;</p>
<p>Martyn Burke, the producer of the documentary &#8220;Islam vs. Islamists,&#8221; says his film was dropped from the series for political reasons. As reported in The Arizona Republic, he claimed &#8220;I was ordered to fire my two partners (who brought me into this project) on political grounds.&#8221; Burke sent a letter of complaint to PBS and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which supplied funds for the films. He said that his documentary shows the plight of moderate Muslims who are silenced by Islamic extremists, and added that &#8220;Now it appears to be PBS and CPB who are silencing them.&#8221; Yet, as the newspaper reports, &#8220;A Jan. 30 news release by the corporation listed Islam vs. Islamists as one of eight films to be presented in the opening series.&#8221; The two partners were labeled neo-conservatives by those at PBS which they regarded a serious liability, enough to cause them to cancel the showing of the documentary.</p>
<p>I have seen portions of this film and it is riveting. There is hardly any commentary in it. Instead all those shown, as well as the events, are allowed to speak for themselves.</p>
<p>It is always risky to climb into bed with the likes of PBS and NPR, both media outlets that exist by virtue of the federal government. (Sure, they also receive private support-NPR recently got big bucks from Joan Kroc&#8217;s estate, the widow of McDonalds&#8217; founder, who died last October and left $225 million to the organization which, incidentally, eagerly invites opponents of trans fatty foods to air their views. But with the feds, they wouldn&#8217;t be.)</p>
<p>The few times I have gotten near such outfits I felt the censorial pinch-when, for example, in the late 80s, Bob Chitester produced a pilot for a political philosophy series, with me as the host and the late Sidney Hook as the expert guest. The show, &#8220;For the Love of Work,&#8221; dealt with the ideas of Karl Marx. (Chitester, you may recall, later produced Milton Friedman&#8217;s immensely successful &#8220;Free to Choose&#8221; program.) The pilot we did was turned down somewhere in Washington after I was identified by one of the judges, according to The Wall Street Journal, as &#8220;a mere popularizer of libertarianism.&#8221;</p>
<p>More pertinent is the recently shown program, produced by Filmmakers Collaborative of San Francisco, about America&#8217;s anti-trust laws, &#8220;Fair Fight in the Market Place.&#8221; This is pure, unabashed, and unadulterated statist propaganda. And badly produced to boot.</p>
<p>For one, it presents only anecdotal stories of how wonderful the anti-trust laws are, mostly based on some of the prosecutions of price fixers and industrial colluders and the hidden camera shots shown of their discussions in which they clearly indicate their knowledge that they are breaking anti-trust laws. Among those interviewed for the show there is but one (Purdue University) economists, very favorable to the Sherman and Clay anti-trust laws, with the rest all partisan state and federal prosecutors.</p>
<p>Not a single, solitary individual on the program gave any opinion disputing the ultimate wisdom of anti-trust law and of the history of anti-trust prosecution, not even when discussing the failed effort by the Justice Department&#8217;s anti-trust division to break up Microsoft Corporation because of its supposed illegal bundling of the operating system with its own Internet browser. (I recall this case well since I took part in numerous debates, both at my own university and elsewhere, making the point that bundling should not be illegal and that it occurs time and time again throughout the market place.)</p>
<p>The main idea in defense of anti-trust laws is &#8220;consumer choice.&#8221; As if it were a proven proposition that only with anti-trust laws can there be a truly competitive market. The late Yale Brozen of the University of Chicago&#8217;s graduate school of business and University of Hartford Professor Emeritus Don Armentano are just two of the prominent, well published authors who have argued against this idea.</p>
<p>But why be surprised? PBS, NPR and PRI (Public Radio International) are all instruments of the American federal government&#8217;s self-promotion. If anyone is featured on any of their programs who disputes statism, you can be sure that there will be strong voices opposing such an individual. The rest, the cheerleaders of statism, aren&#8217;t going to be allowed to be challenged.</p>
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		<title>By: Redwonders</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 07:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks as if those of us who have a gnawing feeling in our gut about a coming civil war, have more food for thought. The MSM doesn&#039;t seem realize they will be high up on someones target list. Credibility, what credibility?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks as if those of us who have a gnawing feeling in our gut about a coming civil war, have more food for thought. The MSM doesn&#8217;t seem realize they will be high up on someones target list. Credibility, what credibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 04:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the rest of the media and too many politicians, they have sold us out and it is treasonous.  That almost an obsolete adjective.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the rest of the media and too many politicians, they have sold us out and it is treasonous.  That almost an obsolete adjective.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogengeezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogengeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other major &#039;quirk&#039; of the Media, is the selective &#039;file photos&#039; used with stories. The recent victory of the Conservative winning the election in France, was accompanied with a file photo of &#039;widespread Rioting&#039;. This appeared in the Albuquerque Journal (Homie&#039; of the New York times and La-La times). Up until then we never saw in our local media, any indication of the common nightly riots in France. Of course you have to realise the voting base of the left in NM is near the bottom of the nation in &#039;literacy&#039;, pictures are very effective. The internet was our real source of information and will be more so as the News gets more and more biased.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other major &#8216;quirk&#8217; of the Media, is the selective &#8216;file photos&#8217; used with stories. The recent victory of the Conservative winning the election in France, was accompanied with a file photo of &#8216;widespread Rioting&#8217;. This appeared in the Albuquerque Journal (Homie&#8217; of the New York times and La-La times). Up until then we never saw in our local media, any indication of the common nightly riots in France. Of course you have to realise the voting base of the left in NM is near the bottom of the nation in &#8216;literacy&#8217;, pictures are very effective. The internet was our real source of information and will be more so as the News gets more and more biased.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogengeezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogengeezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 03:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PBS has, in the past shown films that have conveniently dissapeared. I find this not rare in their case. An excellent History lesson, PBS series to watch is &#039;Commanding Heights&#039; I find it interesting that this series of three DVD&#039;s and a viewing time of six hours, does not show up in bookstores any where. The reality of history can be shocking to the left. It can of course be ordered on the net from Amazon. I believe the same will happen if this latest &#039;reality show&#039; surfaces.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://daflikkers.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://daflikkers.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PBS has, in the past shown films that have conveniently dissapeared. I find this not rare in their case. An excellent History lesson, PBS series to watch is &#8216;Commanding Heights&#8217; I find it interesting that this series of three DVD&#8217;s and a viewing time of six hours, does not show up in bookstores any where. The reality of history can be shocking to the left. It can of course be ordered on the net from Amazon. I believe the same will happen if this latest &#8216;reality show&#8217; surfaces.<br />
<a href="http://daflikkers.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://daflikkers.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Morton Doodslag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morton Doodslag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 02:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with posters above.  If there ever was a &quot;killer ap&quot; for the internet -- THIS IS IT.

Apparently the restrictions on showing the film prevent showing it for profit, and I believe it can only be shown &quot;privately&quot; -- whatever that means.

Well, Roger, perhaps we have a chance to make some new law here pertaining to both freedom of speech and the nature of the internet revolution...

I&#039;m no lawyer, but I&#039;d suggest that while the   internet is certainly a public institution -- most of the VIEWING happens in private -- I don&#039;t see too many bars with internet feeds on large screen TVs -- so perhaps talk to a lawyer -- from what I&#039;ve read -- the restrictions keeping this from being aired can perhaps be circumvented.

What could be more wonderful than shattering the stranglehold the elites have at a dinosaur like PBS -- I like about 5% of what they do, and would hate to see that small amount of good work disappear, but the rest of it is pure marxist social programming.

The other day I woke especially early here in LA, and while tooling around I found all three PBS stations playing all spanish children&#039;s shows -- I guess they think the taxpayers won&#039;t be awake then, and that the illegals will have parked their kids in front of TVs while they trudge off to their non-taxed, non-declared illegal jobs.

I watched, switching between the three channels becoming more and more angry about it -- I paused on one channel -- KQED -- and watched an old Sesame Street segment warmed over to appeal to the Hispanic audience, and just as Bert and Ernie rolled off to sleep -- A CRESCENT MOON AND STAR rolled onto the screen from opposite directions -- as soon as they met in the middle -- they paused, formed a deliberate Islamic religious symbol with the star nestled in the crescent moon exactly like you see it on the flag of Pakistan -- and then wiped the screen to the next segment.

Apparently PBS has become the playground of the socialists, the multiculturalists, and the radical leftists to use public dollars to propagandize their utopianist nightmares on hapless children, and we&#039;re footing the bill.

I&#039;ve concluded we&#039;re better off with them off the air -- let those utopianist Stalinists get heard some other way on some other venue -- one preferably not subsidized by me and most other tax payers who don&#039;t want this kind of crap.

In the meantime -- Pajamas Media could spearhead an effort to do an end run around their attempt at Soviet style censorship.

Blow the lid off them - blow the lid off the lies we&#039;re being told about &quot;peaceful Islam&quot; -- blow the lid off the stranglehold the elite decision makers have been increasingly imposing on the rest of us since they began infesting our universities, our media, and our malfunctioning government bureaucracies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with posters above.  If there ever was a &#8220;killer ap&#8221; for the internet &#8212; THIS IS IT.</p>
<p>Apparently the restrictions on showing the film prevent showing it for profit, and I believe it can only be shown &#8220;privately&#8221; &#8212; whatever that means.</p>
<p>Well, Roger, perhaps we have a chance to make some new law here pertaining to both freedom of speech and the nature of the internet revolution&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no lawyer, but I&#8217;d suggest that while the   internet is certainly a public institution &#8212; most of the VIEWING happens in private &#8212; I don&#8217;t see too many bars with internet feeds on large screen TVs &#8212; so perhaps talk to a lawyer &#8212; from what I&#8217;ve read &#8212; the restrictions keeping this from being aired can perhaps be circumvented.</p>
<p>What could be more wonderful than shattering the stranglehold the elites have at a dinosaur like PBS &#8212; I like about 5% of what they do, and would hate to see that small amount of good work disappear, but the rest of it is pure marxist social programming.</p>
<p>The other day I woke especially early here in LA, and while tooling around I found all three PBS stations playing all spanish children&#8217;s shows &#8212; I guess they think the taxpayers won&#8217;t be awake then, and that the illegals will have parked their kids in front of TVs while they trudge off to their non-taxed, non-declared illegal jobs.</p>
<p>I watched, switching between the three channels becoming more and more angry about it &#8212; I paused on one channel &#8212; KQED &#8212; and watched an old Sesame Street segment warmed over to appeal to the Hispanic audience, and just as Bert and Ernie rolled off to sleep &#8212; A CRESCENT MOON AND STAR rolled onto the screen from opposite directions &#8212; as soon as they met in the middle &#8212; they paused, formed a deliberate Islamic religious symbol with the star nestled in the crescent moon exactly like you see it on the flag of Pakistan &#8212; and then wiped the screen to the next segment.</p>
<p>Apparently PBS has become the playground of the socialists, the multiculturalists, and the radical leftists to use public dollars to propagandize their utopianist nightmares on hapless children, and we&#8217;re footing the bill.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve concluded we&#8217;re better off with them off the air &#8212; let those utopianist Stalinists get heard some other way on some other venue &#8212; one preferably not subsidized by me and most other tax payers who don&#8217;t want this kind of crap.</p>
<p>In the meantime &#8212; Pajamas Media could spearhead an effort to do an end run around their attempt at Soviet style censorship.</p>
<p>Blow the lid off them &#8211; blow the lid off the lies we&#8217;re being told about &#8220;peaceful Islam&#8221; &#8212; blow the lid off the stranglehold the elite decision makers have been increasingly imposing on the rest of us since they began infesting our universities, our media, and our malfunctioning government bureaucracies.</p>
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