Foiling the Next 9/11 and Not Even Knowing It
Intriguing bits of evidence suggest that a major terrorist attack was thwarted on June 4.
On the same day, June 4, two other individuals, Roshid Milledge and Damien Young, were arrested in Philadelphia after sneaking a handgun onto a flight. The airline? U.S. Airways. The destination? Phoenix. The departing time? About 35 minutes from the flight Alsaif attempted to board, using the same airliner and with the same destination.
The FBI immediately cast doubt on questions that the two were part of a terrorist plot or even connected to Alsaif.
“This investigation represents an isolated incident, involving only these two individuals,” the FBI press release following their arrest states.
I don’t know what’s more frightening: the fact that the FBI so readily dismissed the remarkably similar arrests as unconnected, or the fact that in the latter case, the handgun actually made it on board the aircraft and the suspects were only apprehended after another passenger reported them as engaging in suspicious behavior. The aircraft was then turned around and brought back to the gates.
Luckily, the FBI does appear to have common sense and the tone has changed. A spokesperson has said, “We don’t know if there is a connection, but we are checking it out.”
However, the fact remains that the FBI prematurely dismissed a possible connection, reflecting a desire to immediately squash speculation about a wider plot. Either the FBI was aware of the similarities in the arrests and deliberately misled the public, or they failed to look into other data indicating a wider conspiracy before making a conclusion. Either way, it does not reflect well upon the FBI.
The hit-or-miss Israeli website Debkafile reported on July 7 that U.S. and German intelligence believes that 15-20 al-Qaeda terrorists have been trained in Pakistan and Algeria and are now hiding in the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Turkey, and Egypt. Their mission, according to the report, is to hijack and bomb Western airliners headed to Israel and the United States.
Are we really to believe these three events are unrelated — the arrest of Milledge and Young, the arrest of Alsaif, and the reported warning about attacks on airliners?
The good news is that a 9/11 plot may have been thwarted. The bad news is that the public and possibly the FBI are unaware that they even have had a success, failing to connect obvious dots. If the coincidences of these cases are not addressed and if they are attributed to chance, then we’ve truly fallen out of the post-9/11 mindset and only a disaster will wake us up.
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Ryan Mauro is the founder of WorldThreats.com and the director of intelligence at the Asymmetrical Warfare and Intelligence Center (AWIC). He’s also the national security researcher for the Christian Action Network and a published author. He can be contacted at TDCAnalyst@aol.com.
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1. Chileno:By next year our President will be more experienced, the troops will start coming home, and our economy will begin to recover.
But as of now, our rookie President leads a weak government, with an overstretched military and an ailing economy.
The terrorists have been waiting 8 years launch their next attack. What better time than now to strike and wreak havoc?
Jul 14, 2009 - 1:09 am 2. Steve:Chileno states:
“By next year our President will be more experienced, the troops will start coming home, and our economy will begin to recover.”
He should have said that by next year Obama will have destroyed our country as planned, enlistments to our military will severely decline and our economy will begin to collapse.
One caveat, it may take 3-4 years.
Jul 14, 2009 - 2:10 am 3. jvon:I do not have a problem with the FBI misleading the public about an open investigation. I expect that.
I really do hope, however, that they are following up all possible leads they’ve received as a result of apprehending these people, and not minimizing what could have happened amongst themselves.
Jul 14, 2009 - 2:19 am 4. Adina Kutnicki,Israel:Surely the terror dots have been connected, not by the FBI, but by diligent analysis from Mauro and DEBKA.
In the same outrageous manner in which WARNINGS were dismissed/missed in Aug 2001 about planes being used for terror attacks, so too are the current alarm bells going unheeded.
It is one thing to forgive those pre 9/11 to have fallen asleep at their so called intel jobs. However, it is criminally negligent when those tasked with protecting us after 9/11 behave as if it never happened.
There is little doubt that another major attack will occur on US soil, but this time those tasked to protect who refused to see the threats must be held to account-one way or another.
Jul 14, 2009 - 2:49 am 5. SoberHorseThief:I find Chileno overly optimistic. Next year the country will be weaker and broker and more cowardly and we will be even further from 9/11 and more vulnerable to attack.
Jul 14, 2009 - 2:51 am 6. Conservative1:1. Chileno:
By next year our President will be more experienced, the troops will start coming home, and our economy will begin to recover.
Maybe, not a chance, and you are out of your mind.
Jul 14, 2009 - 3:32 am 7. SAF:Hopefully the FBI is misdirecting the public and therefore the terrorists as well.
Jul 14, 2009 - 3:34 am 8. Jane:How many more are out there? “Our” president has all the expereince he needs to remake this country as something unrecognizable to all of us and he is doing it as fast as he can. Don’t be so sure about the economy recovering next year.
Jul 14, 2009 - 3:44 am 9. Locomotive Breath:If the FBI tries to talk to the CIA about these individuals will the Obama Justice Department erect a wall between them so they can’t?
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:33 am 10. WestWright:SAF, you are optimistic…Obama/CAIR’s FBI is misdirecting the public as they have done since before 9/11…in the near future I am afraid the FBI will join the terrorists in opposing us, the Citizens of the US!
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:46 am 11. willis:Ah yes, Islam…the religion of peace.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:12 am 12. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater:willis: I come in peace!
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:19 am 13. "progressive"watch:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8F92p1ept0
Like the idiot he is,Obama is inviting other attacks. When they happen,he will respone to then like the idiot he is.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:29 am 14. fear Obama:Oh! Our poor misguided youths.
These young religious men need universal mental health services and if they are to be imprisoned at Gitmo-
sorry!-
sent to the Bermuda Islands,
at taxpayers expense so they can surf water boards instead of smell them.
They also need special treatments and massage therapy.
Money is no problem and Obama and the democrats are giving us a better world with unicorns and purple rainbows.
-never mind that bearded man over there behind the curtain assembling a small nuclear device.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:35 am 15. vivo:I bet this happens frequently but it doesn’t get relayed to the press or public. Our safety depends on the enforcement of security measures.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:38 am 16. John:The ‘good’ thing is, after the experience of Flight 93, you assume that even if the FBI or TSA appears clueless about any airplane terror threats, the passengers aren’t. That might not keep someone from getting killed on board, but you get the feeling the passengers will not let one or two people armed with a knife or gun waltz into the cockpit without a fight.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:45 am 17. ricpic:At some point a terrorist plot will succeed and Obama will apologize to those who claim responsibility for it.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:51 am 18. sbowers3:There will never be another 9/11. Prior to 9/11 airline crews were trained to give in to hijackers under the (obviously mistaken) belief that non-resistance would save lives. Today, the flight attendants would resist any hijacking, the passengers, would resist, the locked cabin door would block, the pilots if armed would shoot and if unarmed would maneuver the plane to make sure that hijackers would not gain control of the plane. A terrorist is more danger in a crowded shopping mall than on a plane – more people to shoot and easier to escape afterward.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:54 am 19. hBG:Lord, save us from a more experienced Obama.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:56 am 20. Mark in Dayton:One side benefit of term limits is that we don’t get “experienced” politicians in office. Damage control.
Did anyone click the hyperlink under the word “arrested” on page 2 in order to read the FBI press release? The muslim Roshid was an employee of US Airways who assisted his co-perp in getting the gun on board. The only reason the perps were busted was due to the actions of a very smart and observant passenger. Give that passenger a medal.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:07 am 21. Meryl:Chileno–student of, cousin of or same as David S…
11. Willis
You’re a terrible person. Don’t you know these were probably young Catholic boys on their way to a monastery for fall sessions?
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:16 am 22. Fantom:I am pretty sure that 1/20 will go down as the successful followup of 9/11.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:21 am 23. John Marshall:The passengers who alerted crew should be given $10,000 each. Good work!
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:33 am 24. The Wizard:It is hard for Obama to get “on the job training” as he is too busy with photo ops, family vacations to exotic countries, campaign speeches, and sports events. He doesn’t come to work until 9:30 or 10 am; leaves early to have special dinners with wife! His miscreant minions are running the WH and our government, many of which have not been vetted, i.e. Czars, thus Obama has created an entire shadow government.
Erstwhile, he had denigrated our military, our FBI, CIA and NSA and apologized for America to any foreign leader that will listen, while opening our borders and spending millions to relocate terrorist to our country.
Wow, what a guy, what a President! For the first time in my life, I am in mortal fear of the direction of this country and our future. This man is destroying everything great and we will NOT SURVIVE four years of this hubris, racist fool.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:34 am 25. Middleman:But why would they attack if Obama is the secret Muslim as claimed by the conservative tin-foil hat brigade?
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:34 am 26. ate mely:Only at PJM this information is posted.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:39 am 27. Thomas L......:Lord God, have mercy on us.
Mr. Mauro. It does worry me that a policy of political correctness doesn’t allow anyone to publically put the pieces of the puzzle together. However, it seems you are jumping to quite a conclusion. The administration’s instructions aside, I don’t think the investigators at the FBI are actually that naive. You know, there is a chance that the FBI is trying to be discreet (within ‘how to deal with “radical” Islam’ regulations) and spokespersons are being coy. The public’s right to know everything might also be a hazard in investigating the whole affair. Come back when you can do more than speculate upon the apparent incompentence of this investigation.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:45 am 28. Paul of Alexandria:sbowers3 (18):
This was not a mistaken belief, it was the generally accepted paradigm before 2001. Throughout the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s the communist hijackers were generally looking for publicity and money, not American deaths. The idea was that you get them on the ground where, hopefully, the security forces could deal with them. Nobody forsaw the possibility of suicide attacks using airliners.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:03 am 29. Войска ПВО:25. Middleman, leader of the monumentally stupid, weighs in:
“But why would they attack if Obama is the secret Muslim as claimed by the conservative tin-foil hat brigade?”
Oh, I don’t know, different sect? Do you have to work at this, or is it a gift?
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:04 am 30. carol/n.o.:Has Obama sent an apology to Roshid, Damian and alsaif? He’ll probably meet in private with them in the oval office any day now…
Our government is NOTHING to be envied. They are “incompetent”..when a passenger thwarts those guys …that’s pitiful, NO!!! it’s scarey!!! lack of skills on the part of screeners also.
Soon, someone will get past, somewhere …unfortunately.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:05 am 31. Paul of Alexandria:Middleman (25):
Why would they refrain? They hate this country, not just its leader.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:05 am 32. fear Obama:No… no..
Nancy Pelosi says we are being lied to.
The CIA and FBI are not to be trusted.
Congressional and Justice Dept. investigations are the only way to expose these lies.
Congress and the public should always be informed and then we can make intelligent decisions whether to stop a terrorists attack or let it continue.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:09 am 33. Mike W.:B-b-b-but if Obama is a secret Muslim president, then why would Muslim terrorists attack the US? Wouldn’t they be in on the conspiracy? Oh, wait, I forgot, you guys are full of crap. Nevermind.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:15 am 34. scott:“Only a disaster will wake us up.”
Nope. The West has passed beyond common sense awareness and prudence. Seeing as how we have collectively chosen suicidal behavior and murderous political controllers to rule over us … our next move will most likely be to crawl into holes and call the rocks to fall upon us.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:15 am 35. paul_unalaska:Middleman.. dollars to donuts you changed your screen name. There was a dingleberry who was screaming up and down about AGW months back and referred to those who disclaim AGW, with science education’s might I add with ‘tin-foil’ monikers. Strange, that person is ‘gone’ and here you are..
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:18 am 36. Fairbanks99:Maybe these guys could claim to be Black Panthers, thus receiving a get out of jail for free pass and ACORN lawyers. Just sayin’…
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:41 am 37. J. Rockford:The Islamic Saudi Academy should be closed, razed and its faculty and students deported back to their desert paradise. Or that resort hotel down in Gitmo.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:43 am 38. a:33: Mike, W.:
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:47 am 39. Middleman:For the same reason the same Muslim terrorists attack in Muslim Saudi Arabia, Muslim Iraq, Muslim Pakistan, Muslim Indonesia, etc. You’re a certified idiot, aren’t you?
paul,
I’ve always kept this one screenname and I’m not familiar with that acronym. I’ll keep the dollars, but I’ll let you have the donuts for the sake of wealth distribution and my own personal waistline.
Войска ПВО,
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:14 am 40. Barry 0351:Congratulations on detecting the facetiousness of my comment. Despite me taking a joking swipe, I don’t see what’s so monumentally stupid about making observations on straw grabbing comments regarding the president. Is he a communist? Is he a Muslim? Is he American born? Is he is or is he ain’t? Make up your minds.
F.B.I.
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:14 am 41. gram:fooled by islam
#37 ditto…
why do we tolerate such? is our government nothing but weiners????
#1..you’re wrong.
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:24 am 42. Brian Richard Allen:“” …. WARNINGS were dismissed/missed in Aug 2001 about planes being used for terror attacks …”"
Nice try at slipping that tired canard by us — but you picked the wrong crowd in the wrong stadium and for the wrong game.
The inevitability of the September 11 2001 atrocities was the consequence of eight years of incompetence, ineptitude and use of the power of government only to fend off the Rule of Law by the corrupt-consigliere-likes of such RICO racketeers as Jamie Gorelick, Lanny Davis and the execrable Janet Reno. And the consequence of the rest of the recidivist, treasonous, lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering, co-serial-rapist, reputation-ruining gangster basta*ds who comprised the so-called “administration” of the serially-sexually-offending, convicted-of-perjury and the subornation of perjury, of denying civil rights, impeached, disbarred and otherwise only incidentally ” resident” of 1600 Pennsylvania –and their erstwhile “boss” — were all either too busy stealing and/or were busy building walls and/or were asleep at the switch to attend to the feral gummint’s business.
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:33 am 43. Chileno:21. Meryl: “Chileno–student of, cousin of or same as David S…”
Sorry, don’t know how David S is, but I assume he’s not of your liking. Why don’t you stick to the issues at hand?
If you consider my opinion overly optimistic, that’s your opinion against mine. Who appointed you judge on this thread? I’m sure the economy will be better next year, not BECAUSE of what Obama does, perhaps even DESPITE what he does, simply because economic cycles generally swing up after having dropped so low. My fear is that Obama will doubtless take credit for an economic improvement, even if he had nothing to do with it, and the masses will vote for him yet again in the next election. In terms of the troops, barring any major change in Iraq, the plan IS for them to come home. And in terms our our President, even lab rats gain experience over time, no big mystery there.
Meryl, I suggest you analyze before labeling.
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:36 am 44. Delia:“the handgun actually made it on board the aircraft and the suspects were only apprehended after another passenger reported them as engaging in suspicious behavior.”
Thank goodness SOME people still PAY ATTENTION and don’t fear the ‘PC-Police’. That passenger who RIGHTLY alerted authorities should be an example for everyone to remain alert and aware.
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:44 am 45. fear Obama:You need to take a stress pill, calm down, and tell us how you really feel about our Hopechange administration.
lol…
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:48 am 46. Peter the Bubblehead:25. Middleman wrote:
But why would they attack if Obama is the secret Muslim as claimed by the conservative tin-foil hat brigade?
Peter writes: Gee, maybe for the same reason that more Muslims are responsible for the deaths of other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan than any killed by US forces. DUH!
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:58 am 47. Middleman:Peter,
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:12 am 48. Peter the Bubblehead:Based on your agrument, we Americans must be some of the most violent people on Earth when you consider the amount of Americans killed by other Americans yearly.
Middleman,
Why would you assume I don’t?
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:21 am 49. Moogie:I don’t know about anyone else in this thread, but when I have to fly these days, I am paranoid in the extreme and am watching everyone for “suspicious” behavior. My anxiety about flying (really, it’s about falling out of the sky) compounds my paranoia. A couple of bloody Marys pre-flight helps, though.
To those who think the FBI, CIA or even your local police “owe” the public full disclosure regarding pending/under investigation cases, you are sadly mistaken. It is quite often to the benefit of the investigation to maintain a certain Columbo-like naivete and to withhold information from the public in order to keep as pure as possible.
I’m curious: what is Homeland Security’s response/involvement in all of this?
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:24 am 50. Peggy:This may be a little off-subject, but isn’t a child born to a muslim father considered a muslum by default? And a child who rejects being a muslim (say, by becoming a member of a non-muslim religion) becomes an apostate? And “good” muslims are required to kill apostates, aren’t they? If that’s true, then haven’t we (using the term “we” loosely, of course) invited more violence simply by electing an apostate as president? Just wondering…..
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:25 am 51. Moogie:Oops: “keep as pure as possible” should read “keep the details and facts of the case as pure as possible.”
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:26 am 52. Peter the Bubblehead:Middleman, I ask you, likewise, to look up the stats before you start quoting generalities. How many of those ‘Americans’ killing Americans are actually Aliens in this country illegally?
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime.html
How many multiple murders are committed by single people or small groups, like street gangs?
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=7960002&nav=HMO5Xkaw
And, when you really think about it, if Americans really wanted to act like Muslims, you would have Baptists building checkpoints along highways and killing any Catholics they found driving along minding their own business, or Protestants blowing up busses in Jewish-majority neighborhoods, or Presbyterians blowing themselves up to keep Buddists from voting in state and city elections.
Fortunately we have not descended to the level of the average Muslim-majority country… yet. And I am thankful every day that we have not, YET, gotten to that point. I hope we never will. I fear we are headed that way.
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:28 am 53. Peter the Bubblehead:Hey! Here’s one where the murders are BOTH gang-related AND illegal aliens!
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2008/June/08-ag-564.html
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:34 am 54. Delia:49. Moogie,
My husband and I haven’t ever flown on a plane since we’ve known each other because we both hate flying [and the 9/11 hijacking sure didn't help us get over that fear and loathing either lol]. -But, if I *did* HAVE to fly, I’d be like you and be white-knuckling it and watching everyone on the plane for any suspicious nuance.
-And, yes, I agree about the FBI thing…they ‘might’ be trying to keep this downplayed even though they hopefully are ‘looking into it’.
~
50. Peggy,
Excellent point! Why didn’t *I* think of that?!
Creepyyyyyyyy. You’re so right too. Being born an ‘infidel’ is bad enough to the Islamists but being born a Muslim and then turning on Islam to ‘another’ religion is much, much worse to ‘them’. *gulp* I guess we might as well paint a big bulls-eye on the USA now.
Jul 14, 2009 - 10:03 am 55. Delia:Illegal aliens and gangsta thugs killing each? Where’s the ‘downside’ to that?
/sarc
Jul 14, 2009 - 10:05 am 56. Gary Ogletree:Mark this day on the calendar! vivo wrote something intelligent. I admit I thought it would never happen. Keep it up, vivo, in three years you’ll be campaigning for darling Sarah.
Jul 14, 2009 - 10:06 am 57. always right:Re: 20. Mark in Dayton
The only reason the perps were busted was due to the actions of a very smart and observant passenger. Give that passenger a medal.
If everything’s supposed to work as designed, chances are said passenger is part of the air marshal, who’s been trained to notice such things vs. your regular travelers.
Don’t bust the identity of said passenger.
Jul 14, 2009 - 10:36 am 58. Bob:I like comments 3, 7, 15, and 49. Reminds me of a point in one of the Obama-McCain debates when Obama said that if he found out some of the terrorists in Afghanistan were from Pakistan, he’d send troops across the border and take them out. McCain was chuckling to beat the band, and said to Obama, “You don’t say things like that out loud.”
When fighting criminals or terrorists, it is never smart to reveal all you know, because they can use it against you.
Jul 14, 2009 - 10:43 am 59. shau-jan:ate mely.”Only at PJM this information is posted.
Lord God, have mercy on us.”
an excellent source for COIN and terrorism:
http://abumuqawama.blogspot.com/
and:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
one more:
http://reportonarrakis.blogspot.com/
Jul 14, 2009 - 11:28 am 60. Arius:With America going back into a pre-911 mindset there is now a very high probability of terrorist attacks in the US.
Jul 14, 2009 - 11:31 am 61. Moogie:#58 Bob: Thanks! But don’t you mean, when Obama said “…. Pockeeston.”?
Jul 14, 2009 - 11:44 am 62. Sherab Zangpo:#60 Arius
“With America going back into a pre-911 mindset there is now a very high probability of terrorist attacks in the US.”
Well, all the friends of the President have said for eight years that WE DESERVE IT.
And the President goes around the world apologizing for how BAD we are, to confirm that we deserve to be attacked.
And the American people have elected this president and those radicals, who are now in the administration.
So, everybody is saying that we deserve to be attacked.
And the next FBI Agent who arrests a muslim terrorist will have to explain why he did it (and I can tell you for sure that he did it because he’s a racist).
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
Jul 14, 2009 - 11:45 am 63. Marc Malone:#56 Ogletree – Actually, when vivo is not commenting on some ideological issue (drinking the kool-aid), he often says something intelligent. He has real potential. Over time, he’ll come around. He reminds me of Juan Williams on Fox News. He was very liberal, but he’s becoming more moderate almost by the day. Eventually, reality intrudes.
Jul 14, 2009 - 11:49 am 64. shau-jan:60.arius.”With America going back into a pre-911 mindset there is now a very high probability of terrorist attacks in the US.”
sadly,even the post 911 mindset is inadequate for the threats we are facing.
Jul 14, 2009 - 12:06 pm 65. miira:Not mentioned in the article is another ‘dot’ which may connect these failed 9/11 wannabe’s. . .
flying imams – also flew on U.S. Airways .
Jihad Watch: Flying Imams: more terror links
additional notes
Jul 14, 2009 - 12:18 pm 66. Fred Harris:The only thing faster than CAIR at apologizing for Arab Muslems is the FBI.
Jul 14, 2009 - 12:25 pm 67. glenn:This month or the next.
Jul 14, 2009 - 1:29 pm 68. Delia:Ya’ll are forgettin’ that the 0bama ‘Admin’ loves a good ‘crisis’ to shuck and jive us into frightened, wide-eyed, useful idiots while he shoves more mega-paged ‘mandates’ aka ‘drunken-spending-bills’, ‘power grabs’, ACORN thuggery and newly appointed ‘czars’ down our throats [behind the scenes, but, of course]. Nothing in this hand…oh looky at ‘this’ hand!
The more 0bama can see America [as we know it] destroyed, the better.
Isn’t the word ‘crisis’ one of 0bama’s favorite words to whip up his idiotic constituency, after all?
The dumbing down of America is now perfected in all of its glorious idiocracy.
Welcome to the USSA, children. Sorry the grown-ups failed you so miserably.
Jul 14, 2009 - 2:10 pm 69. I Give You The FBI:Yeah, the FBI was very “discreet” when they investigated those flight schools… 9/11 revealed them as a bureaucracy of sloppy, lazy clock-punchers.
Jul 14, 2009 - 2:19 pm 70. KevinS:I feel there is a need to clear a few points up.
It is islamic law that any child born to a muslim father is muslim. Should that child become a christian, jew, whatever before a certain age, I believe 12, then the conversion doesn’t count. They will be forgiven provided the child promptly reverts once given the opportunity. However, any adult that leaves such a wonderful murderous cult doesn’t have it so easy. They are to be given an opportunity to revert and if they decline that opportunity then they are to be killed.
Jul 14, 2009 - 3:14 pm 71. Delia:A little side note, according to islam we are all muslims. That is why they will use the term “revert.” So, if anyone here were dumb enough, or under threat of cranial separation, to join the cult of the murderous pedophile it would be a “reversion” not a “conversion.” The threat of force is implicit at all levels of reversion. Cherry thought, eh?
70. KevinS,
Thank you for the clarification.
Now I’m thoroughly skeeved out.
YUCKY!
Jul 14, 2009 - 3:23 pm 72. Dave K.:Just let’s remember who was President when 9/11 happened.
Was it Obama? Was it Clinton?
No, it was George W. Bush.
It happened on his watch.
Obama has a better record of keeping America safe than George W. Bush.
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:01 pm 73. vivo:That’s a fact.
63. Marc Malone:
“#56 Ogletree – Actually, when vivo is not commenting on some ideological issue . . ., he often says something intelligent.”
OK, I get it: non-ideological= smart, ideological= dumb.
Are you guys trying to take my fun off out of pajamming?
Campaigning for Sarah? See above, ideological= dumb.
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:11 pm 74. Wayne Lusvardi:Interesting coincidence: On June 4, 2009, al Qaeda was reportedly worried about Obama visit to the Mid East on that day would lead to a loss of Arab support.
Excerpted from L.A. Times Archives:
Al Qaeda lashes out at Obama; A new message as he arrives in the Mideast may indicate that the terrorist group fears it will lose Arab support.
Los Angeles Times – Los Angeles, Calif.
Subjects: Muslims, Political leadership, Satellite television, Speeches, Terrorism, Audio recordings, State visits
Author: Christi Parsons; Mark Silva
Date: Jun 4, 2009
Start Page: A.1
Section: Main News; Part A; Foreign Desk
Text Word Count: 1185
Abstract: According to a U.S. intelligence report last fall, Al Qaeda and similar extremist groups face declining support across the Middle East, in part because moderate Muslims do not share their vision.
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:35 pm 75. PA:Unfortunately, the alert passenger will probably be brought up on racism charges.
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:51 pm 76. Tri Geek:David K.- So let me get this straight- The bad economy can NOT be blaimed on Obama, because it started before he came to office, but 9/11 can be blamed on Bush even though Clinton ignored all warnings. Okay, I see how that works.
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:04 pm 77. ked5:25. Middleman:
But why would they attack if Obama is the secret Muslim as claimed by the conservative tin-foil hat brigade?
~~~
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:16 pm 78. ked5:I suggest you do some reading up on muslim on muslim violence.
28. Paul of Alexandria:
Nobody forsaw the possibility of suicide attacks using airliners.
~~~~
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:19 pm 79. Delia:Actually, they did. This wasn’t the first time AQ tried this – just the first time they were able to carry it out. The previous time involved 10 airliners over the Pacific, and they never got in the planes. But on 9/11 at least one FOREIGN law enforcement officer, from a Pacific country immediatly connected the dots.
Oh? I think Bill Clinton played a part when it came to 9/11:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/billC.htm
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:04 pm 80. Delia:75. Tri Geek,
Excellent point. I guess only lefties can ‘inherit’ a crisis.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:21 pm 81. Jim C.:72. Dave K. wrote, “Just let’s remember who was President when 9/11 happened. Was it Obama? Was it Clinton? No, it was George W. Bush. It happened on his watch.”
Let’s remember who blew two chances to get OBL after the first WTC bombing, which might have prevented 9/11. Was it Bush? Was it Obama? No, it was Bill “Slick Willie” Clinton.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:36 pm 82. Tri Geek:Dave K: How many times did Clinton meet with the CIA Director while he was in office? None- he couldn’t be bothered. On the other hand, Bush did warn of the sub-prime housing problem, and got shot down by the Dems in Congress. Convenient how you forget the details.
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:58 pm 83. Jim C.:If this really was an aborted terrorist attack, what was the target? If in or near Phoenix itself, what could it be? If at some other intermediate point, what could that be?
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:08 pm 84. Dave K.:How sad it is that so many are prepared to defend the “hero” president George W. Bush who valiantly tried to read “My Pet Goat” while Americans died in the worst terror attack on US soil.
It’s the perfect picture of how Republicans deal with national security.
And Clinton was not President when 9/11 happened.
Nice try, though.
George W. Bush could have ordered the US military to intensify the efforts to try and kill Osama Bin Ladin.
He had the entire US military at his disposal.
But he didn’t.
There have been no terror attacks on US soil on Obama’s watch.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:11 pm 85. Chileno:And there never will be.
In relation to #70:
Muslim extremists consider themselves to be the True Believers, and as such, superior to the Infidels who surround them. If you follow this logic, it makes perfect sense to demand their right to worship in our countries, while limiting our right to worship in theirs. It makes sense to call Infidels the sons of dogs and monkeys, because, after all, that is their level relative to a Muslim. If a Muslim converts to some other religion, it is the equivalent of a human taking on the beliefs of dogs and monkeys, and so it’s reasonable for the Quran to punish this by death.
If a Muslim man marries a non-Muslim woman, she is encouraged to convert. If she doesn’t, and they divorce, the man gets to keep the kids. You wouldn’t leave the kids to the care of a dog, would you? If a non-Muslim man marries a Muslim woman, he MUST convert, or risk death. Remember that for many Muslims, women are little more than property. So it makes sense that a Muslim man could “acquire” a non-Muslim woman, but it would be forbidden for a non-Muslim man to take on a piece of Muslim property.
Infidels are a lower form of humanity. If a Muslim kills an Infidel, there is concern, but no real uproar, similar to when a driver runs over a dog on the street. On the other hand, if an Infidel kills a Muslim, there are mass protests and shrieks calling for revenge. It’s almost equal to having a dog kill a man. The logical response? Kill the dog!
Many Muslims do not hold these beliefs. But perhaps out of fear or indifference, or a not-so-secret hate of the West, even those who don’t espouse these beliefs, remain quiet to the excesses perpetrated by those who do. Their silence makes them accomplices to the brutal acts of the extremists.
Jul 14, 2009 - 7:51 pm 86. Moogie:Dave K: I think you done been “pwned.”
Jul 14, 2009 - 8:20 pm 87. Joe in Atlanta:Obama = FAIL.
We’re doomed.
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:23 pm 88. Michael Lonie:Dave K.,
You really don’t understand anything, do you?
There have been no significant terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11, on Bush’s watch. That’s seven and one half years. Obama has been on the job six months. Get back to us in seven years to crow about how much better than Bush Obama is on this matter.
As for “My Pet Goat”, what was Bush supposed to do when blindsided by an unexpected attack, while his aids got transportation ready to leave the school? Was he supposed to run around in a panic? Bush kept his cool and did not panic, and did not panic the children there. We may soon see how Obama performs under similar circumstances. I would not count on Mr. No-Experience performing any better, and probably will perform worse.
“George W. Bush could have ordered the US military to intensify the efforts to try and kill Osama Bin Ladin.
He had the entire US military at his disposal.”
You really don’t understand the nature of the war we are in. This is not like WWII, except in rare instances like the three week Iraq Campaign of 2003. It is a war of intel and special ops, coutnerinsurgency and understanding the tribal politics of exotic lands. When Bin Laden escaped into Pakistan there were only a couple of thousand US ground troops in Afghanistan able to try getting at him. Then he went to ground in Pakistan, where it was much harder for our intel to work and where we could not send large forces of American ground troops to fight. 25 years of Church Committee attacks on the CIA and the Clinton Administration’s gutting of the Clandestine Service during the 90s had left us with an intel organization that could not do the covert action job of finding and taking out bin Laden and similar low lifes in a foreign country in a hostile intel environment (the Northwest Frontier Province, where Pakistan government authority is feeble at best and nonexistent sometimes).
There is a lot Bush did that I do not approve of, but for his whole term, with rare exceptions, people like you attacked him unmercifully for anything he did, and particularly for his efforts to defend the USA. I don’t make a hero of Bush, but you and many people who ought to know better make a devil of him, and are making a deity of Obama. That is an act of surpassing idiocy. Wise up.
Jul 14, 2009 - 9:57 pm 89. Camo:Read the lates on CSM Website about Iran executing its own Islamic Terrorists. Once a person or people moralize the killing of others, then the boundaries or slippery slope for killing can apply to almost anything.
Jul 15, 2009 - 1:27 am 90. Tyrannio:Ummm, why is no one in this thread outraged that some TSA flunky was asleep at the x-ray monitor? The TSA needs to give the citizen who alerted the authorities the daily wages of all the TSA employees who let that gun get on the plane.
Jul 15, 2009 - 3:57 am 91. Peter the Bubblehead:72. Dave K. wrote:
Just let’s remember who was President when 9/11 happened.
Was it Obama? Was it Clinton?
Peter writes: Let’s go over this one more time, for the brain dead liberals, shall we?
Planning for 9/11 STARTED in 1996! Who was president? Clinton!
The Khobar Towers attack occurred in 1995, that’s right, under CLINTON! What did he do? NOTHING!
The 1998 Embassy Bombings in Africa occurred in 1998. That’s right, AGAIN under CLINTON! Again, he did NOTHING!
The attack on USS Cole occurred in 2000. Who was president? CLINTON! What did he do about it? (Let’s say it together, kids.) NOTHING!
Al Qaeda attacked us again and again and again, each time morse than the time before, and all Clinton did was… NOTHING! Is it no wonder that they spent 5 years… 5 YEARS! …planning their ultimate attack, one that killed over 3000 of our fellow citizens plus innumerable foreigners. And still CLINTON did NOTHING!
And then a CIA and FBI, still hobbled by the Clinton-ear rules and not allowed to compare notes, let the five years of planning come to fruition in September 2001, barely months into Bush’s first term.
No, let’s compare, shall we? How many successful attacks occurred against the US after 9/11, once Bush’s policies were implimented.
NONE! Seven and a half years of attempts by a severly weakened Al Qaeda, none of which managed to occur, in spite of great attempts to do so.
But given the current state of the Obama administration, I fear we have less than a year before something worse than 9/11 occurs, and it will definitely be Obama’s fault because of the way he has decimated our military (with his proposed budget cuts) and our intelligence services (by making them unwilling to do their actual jobs under fear of prosecution).
But these are facts that loony libs convieniently always seem to forget in their zeal to yell “It’s Bush’s Fault!”
Jul 15, 2009 - 4:35 am 92. Dave K.:91. Peter the Bubblehead:
“Planning for 9/11 STARTED in 1996! Who was president? Clinton!
The Khobar Towers attack occurred in 1995, that’s right, under CLINTON! What did he do? NOTHING!
The 1998 Embassy Bombings in Africa occurred in 1998. That’s right, AGAIN under CLINTON! Again, he did NOTHING!
The attack on USS Cole occurred in 2000. Who was president? CLINTON! What did he do about it? (Let’s say it together, kids.) NOTHING!
Al Qaeda attacked us again and again and again, each time morse than the time before, and all Clinton did was… NOTHING! Is it no wonder that they spent 5 years… 5 YEARS! …planning their ultimate attack, one that killed over 3000 of our fellow citizens plus innumerable foreigners. And still CLINTON did NOTHING!
And then a CIA and FBI, still hobbled by the Clinton-ear rules and not allowed to compare notes, let the five years of planning come to fruition in September 2001, barely months into Bush’s first term.”
And then the 9/11 attacks occurred in 2001.
Who was president? BUSH!
What did he do about it? (Let’s say it together, kids.) NOTHING!
The buck stops at the Oval Office.
The August 6, 2001 President’s Daily Brief:
Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US.
Who was president? BUSH!
Jul 15, 2009 - 8:15 am 93. Peter the Bubblehead:What did he do about it? (Let’s say it together, kids.) NOTHING!
90. Tyrannio wrote:
Ummm, why is no one in this thread outraged that some TSA flunky was asleep at the x-ray monitor? The TSA needs to give the citizen who alerted the authorities the daily wages of all the TSA employees who let that gun get on the plane.
Peter writes: You are mistaken about the scenario you think occurred. Many people are assuming this guy brought a gun through the TSA checkpoint and it wasn’t found, which is not the case.
The other man arrested in the gun case was an airline employee and friend of the potential terrorist. HE brought the gun onto the plane, using his airline ID to bypass security, and then gave it back to his friend on the inside of the security area.
This was not a failure of normal security procedures, this was a case of an employee exploiting the courtesy agreement TSA has with the airlines not to search every employee every time they must pass through the checkpoint or to have checkpoints in employee-only areas.
Jul 15, 2009 - 8:28 am 94. Peter the Bubblehead:In 92. Dave K. wrote:
Lets correct the loony libs faulty facts!
And then the 9/11 attacks occurred in 2001.
Who was president? BUSH!
What did he do about it?
He recognized that we were at war with an ideology that had literally declared war on us 8 years earlier, and TOOK THE BATTLE TO THE ENEMY!
The buck stops at the Oval Office.
The August 6, 2001 President’s Daily Brief:
Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US.
Who was president? BUSH!
What did he do about it?
TOOK THE FIGHT TO THE ENEMY, like CLINTON was too busy chasing interns around and around the Oval Office to get around to doing!!!
I repeat, and try and refute this, you can’t using actual facts;
If CLINTON had DONE HIS JOB, to PROTECT AND SERVE THE USA, 9/11 WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!
The USS COLE WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!
The EMBASSY BOMBINGS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!
KHOBAR TOWERS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPEND!
How many attacks occurred AFTER 9/11, when BUSH took the initiative and carried out his duty to protect this country?
NONE!
Many tried, all failed!
Show me some facts that refute this and bolster your lies… I mean, claims.
Jul 15, 2009 - 8:33 am 95. Peter the Bubblehead:If Dave K really believes what he has been posting here, he’s an even bigger idiot than the average loony liberal.
Jul 15, 2009 - 8:34 am 96. Peter the Bubblehead:92. Dave K. wrote:
And then the 9/11 attacks occurred in 2001.
Who was president? BUSH!
The buck stops at the Oval Office.
Peter adds: So what you are saying, by your own twisted logic, is that OBAMA is completely at fault for the recession, tripling of the national debt, and huge unemployment numbers, because, as you say, The Buck Stops at the Oval Office!
Hey, everyone, Dave K admits it’s ALL OBAMA’S FAULT!
Jul 15, 2009 - 8:39 am 97. Frank D:I work in CT. I wish I could share what I know but I can say this. 1) Bashing our Commander -in -Chief won’t stop an attack. 2) No one has yet publicly debated the Bush Administration about Daddy Bushes connection to Ms. Bin Laden.
Jul 15, 2009 - 9:10 am 98. Frank D:3) Non of us like working with the FBI but it is a necassary evil. Still, they do have some very good agents, unfortunately they are not on the right task forces. Good luck to us all, Silenthawk.
Obamha is naive, but not stupid. To quote Machievelli a la Godfather “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” There are mid managers in the FBI who are so scared of loosing control that they have disregarded several leads from ICE leading to a slugfest in front of a Senatorial Hearing. One case took a year to get a task force to look at evidince of another cell connected to Flight 175, we on the frontlines just don’t “give up”! We fight back.
Jul 15, 2009 - 9:56 am 99. Cybergeezer:That guy Bubblehead is just that. Clinton did not commit treason under title 50 of the US Code by disclosing the identity of an active operative, an undercover NOC, Cheney did. As someone who has worked deep cover I find that behavior reprehensible. I am a conservative but slamming the democrats or the republicans won’t help-Bringing them to trial will! That will stregthen our National Security Apparatus. National Security should not be a political issue. It should be a national priority. If you are an elected official and abuse power or threaten the integrity of the Constitution, the Military, the Intelligence Agecies (FBI included) you should go off to the slammer. Silenthawk.
So; Is Pelosi going to appoint the New York Times and the Associated Press to investigate the FBI? There needs to be some one with the TRUST of the criminals in Congress to get to the “truth”!
Jul 15, 2009 - 11:21 am 100. Peter the Bubblehead:98. Frank D wrote:
Clinton did not commit treason under title 50 of the US Code by disclosing the identity of an active operative, an undercover NOC, Cheney did.
Peter corrects: I assume you’re referring to the Valerie Plame affair? Get your facts correct before sticking your foot in your mouth. Cheney had nothing to do with outing Plame as CIA related.
It wasn’t even Scooter Libby, like many people believe either.
Any fool can use the internet to look up that it was Richard Armitage, the Deputy Secretary of State, and therefor no direct connection to Cheney like you idiotically imply, who ‘outed’ Plame to the newpaper reporter.
Jul 15, 2009 - 1:02 pm 101. Freya:Peter Bubblehead (submariner by any chance?)
“The Khobar Towers attack occurred in 1995, that’s right, under CLINTON! What did he do? NOTHING!”
Really? Google “Operation Sapphire + Iran + Clinton” The victory against radical Islam that virtually no one knows about.
“The 1998 Embassy Bombings in Africa occurred in 1998. That’s right, AGAIN under CLINTON! Again, he did NOTHING!”
Now, you know full well that’s not true. The strikes on Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan may not have enough for your taste, but they were not “nothing”.
Jul 15, 2009 - 2:24 pm 102. Infoninja:The “War on Terror” is a hoax. Articles like this are carefully crafted pieces of propaganda designed to make you afraid enough to willingly surrender even more of your personal liberties and rights in the name of “Security”.
9/11 was an inside job, a false flag terror event enacted by our government and other global interests on our own people as a pretext to go to war with Afghanistan, Iraq, every other country that resists the New World Order/Globalist international banking agenda.
The left/right paradigm is a control machanism designed to divide and conquer us, and from the looks of it is working quite well in this venue. Republicans and Democrats are merely two management teams vying for the CEO position of Slavery,Inc.
Break your conditioning!
Learn the Truth.
Otherwise there is little hope for the once great country and grand experiment in Liberty that is the United States of America.
http://www.infowars.com
Jul 15, 2009 - 3:02 pm 103. Tri Geek:Oh Man- The conspiracy folks are now out in force. Get a clue! 9/11 was NOT an inside job. Even when the guilty take credit, OBL, you clowns still won’t accept the truth. It was BUSH and his evil compatriots. Wow! To what end? How much money has BUSH made from all this. Nothing! Just because some wild theories are posted on the web, doesn’t mean they are true. Try reading Popular Mechanics who did an in-depth study on the Twin Towers. Don’t let facts get in your way.
Jul 15, 2009 - 3:20 pm 104. Leatherneck:9-11 was an inside job alright. It was performed by the religion of peace which took credit for it, and danced in the streets passing out candy once the news was heard.
As this above subject points out, the religion of peace is at it again. Just wait a few days. There will be another example of moon god worship.
ROPMA!
Jul 15, 2009 - 3:26 pm 105. Infoninja:Google: “The Obama Deception”
“Terrorstorm”
“Endgame”
“America:Freedom To Fascism”
“Molopoly Men”
Watch these films to begin to get some small grasp on the dire situation that we find ourselves in.
Our country and citizens are in grave danger, and if it is not turned around, we will find ourselves in a global totalitarian dictatorship that will make Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia look like a stroll in the park.
Watch them and make up your own mind. That’s all I ask. I’m begging you. If once you’ve seen them, you still think I’m a kook, then so be it, but if you cannot, then I call you an intellectual coward, fit for the chains that will soon be placed upon you.
“Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance”- Albert Einstein
Jul 15, 2009 - 3:31 pm 106. Peter the Bubblehead:101. Freya wrote:
Now, you know full well that’s not true. The strikes on Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan may not have enough for your taste, but they were not “nothing”.
Peter asks: You call launching less than half a dozen cruise missiles at a bunch of empty tents SOMETHING?
Where were the troops? Where was the attack? Where was Clinton sending the bext military forces this planet has ever seen after those responsible for blowing up two embassies and killing hundreds of people? Where was the retaliation against an enemy who OPENLY DECLARED WAR AGAINST US and then attacked one of our warships?
Sending in a couple of police detectives and issuing a couple of subpoenas and acting like an act of war was nothing more than a bank robbery IS NOTHING!
Jul 15, 2009 - 3:42 pm 107. Peter the Bubblehead:102. Infoninja wrote:
The “War on Terror” is a hoax.
Peter writes: I DARE you to say that to the 3000 US citizens, including a very good friend of mine from high school who was a NYC Fire Fighter, who were killed at the World Trade Center!
I DARE you to say that to my fellow service members, many of whom have died on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Then I dare you to actually grow a brain and stop living in your fantasy world!
Jul 15, 2009 - 3:45 pm 108. Jim C.:84. Dave K. wrote, ‘How sad it is that so many are prepared to defend the “hero” president George W. Bush who valiantly tried to read “My Pet Goat” while Americans died in the worst terror attack on US soil.’
How sad it is that Dave K. must use the word “hero” in quotes when no one in this thread has actually called Bush a hero.
“George W. Bush could have ordered the US military to intensify the efforts to try and kill Osama Bin Ladin. He had the entire US military at his disposal. But he didn’t.”
Bill Clinton could have ordered the US military to intensify the efforts to try and kill Osama Bin Laden. He had the entire US military at his disposal. But he didn’t. AND HE HAD MORE THAN 6 YEARS TO DO IT, TOO, as opposed to Bush’s 9 months.
“There have been no terror attacks on US soil on Obama’s watch. And there never will be.”
Due mostly to the fact that Obama is continuing and even extending the security procedures instituted by Bush, without any of the left’s hysterical, ridiculous screams of incipient fascism.
Jul 15, 2009 - 4:02 pm 109. Infoninja:All the evidence you need to see to prove that our Government is lying about 9/11 can be found here. 9 out of 10 sceptical architects and engineers who see this film change their minds about it and agree that there’s a coverup and we’re being lied to. There are over 700 architects and engineers who have put their careers and reputations on the line and bravely say what most cannot even bring themselves to imagine. Check out their website at ae911truth.org . I made it real easy for you, just click the link and watch.
“9/11: Blueprint for Truth”
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4617650616903609314&hl=en
I know you don’t want to hear this, and I really don’t want to be the guy to tell you, but this is the reality of our government and the international bankers, and everyone needs to find out. Don’t call me names and arrogantly think you know everything, watch the video and refute it with reason and evidence, if you are able. I dare you. Get some architect friends to take a look at it too, and see what they think. I DARE YOU.
I want you all to know that what we do we do out of Love and Compassion for Free Humanity. You are being devastated by high tech propaganda that was developed by social engineers with 190 IQ’s. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, they are the very best, but it is now time for you to wake up. Look past the childlike pride, arrogance, and denial that characterizes most Americans and take an honest sceptical look at this movie and these claims. There’s not much more time left, it’s late in the game. The Globalists are playing 3-dimensional chess and we don’t even know how to play checkers! Who here in this forum can deny that your government lies to you every single day? Huh? You just gonna lie down and let those people tell you what’s going on when it’s been proven over and over that they cannot be trusted?
We are not going away. We are steadily growing, and even accelerating our growth at an enormous rate. Why? Because we have the Truth, and it cannot be refuted. Do it. I dare you. No, I am begging you. Take the red pill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes. We’ll be there to support you once the full horror of what is happening hits. Stand up for the Constitution and all of Free Humanity. Be relentless in your pursuit of Truth. Don’t be on the wrong side of history, it’s all coming out now.
http://www.infowars.com
Jul 15, 2009 - 4:45 pm 110. Peter the Bubblehead:109. Infoninja wrote:
All the evidence you need to see to prove that our Government is lying about 9/11 can be found here.
Peter writes: You are a loon who lives in a fantasy world, and I wish I could be there the day the real world punches you smack in the face.
Jul 15, 2009 - 6:05 pm 111. KZnextzone:With Dave K logic the best candidate was Sarah Palin: The attack didn’t occur on her watch, she never voted against the funding of the war and she sent her son to battle.
Jul 15, 2009 - 6:24 pm 112. Tri Geek:The saddest truth is that the enemy won’t come for your type first. They need your useful idiocy!
infoninja- Everytime I hear one of you clowns blame things on “international bankers” I harken back to pre-WWII Germany, and how easy the Nazis were able to convince schmucks like you that the JEWS were to blame for all the hardships they were facing. By the way, how many Al Gore scientist are convinced about man-made global warming (despite the fact the earth has been cooling for the past few years). The gov’t can not keep a secret (ask any Democrat in Congress), so how would they be able to pull this off? By the way. Star Trek & Harry Potter are not real!!
Jul 15, 2009 - 6:26 pm 113. Войска ПВО:72. Dave K. writes:
“Obama has a better record of keeping America safe than George W. Bush. That’s a fact.”
You cannot be freaking serious? Yeah, and some kid up from triple-A ball at the end of the season who goes 2-for-4 in one game has a higher major league average than Ted Williams, Willie Mays, and Mickey Mantle too.
What a twit!
Jul 15, 2009 - 6:30 pm 114. Войска ПВО:106. Peter the Bubblehead writes:
“Peter asks: You call launching less than half a dozen cruise missiles at a bunch of empty tents SOMETHING?”
Peter, don’t forget the asparin factory and his taking out a Chinese Embassy too.
There’s also his mis-management of “his” military in the “Blackhawk down” incident, the treating of the first WTC attack in 1993) as law enforcement issue which emboldened Bin Laden.
Tell this dweeb and the others like him to flush out their head gear and get back in the game.
Jul 15, 2009 - 6:39 pm 115. Войска ПВО:..by the way, I am wondering, If you take out a Chinese embassy, do you get egg roll with that?
Jul 15, 2009 - 6:40 pm 116. Infoninja:110. Peter the Bubblehead:
Peter writes: You are a loon who lives in a fantasy world, and I wish I could be there the day the real world punches you smack in the face.
Infoninja writes: No facts, no data, no nothing, just name calling like I predicted. You in fact investigated none of my claims, yet ignorantly presume that you know what happened on 9/11. You are afraid to look, afraid to test, afraid to verify. You should be. You know in your gut that I speak the Truth.
Fine.
Enjoy the tyranny, coward!
I guess that’s what I get for caring for and wanting to wake up the ridiculously dumb, immoral, and supremely apathetic American populace. We deserve what we get when we are exemplified by such paragons of virtue like yourself. You’re right, you know everything, the government Loves us, mercury and fluoride are good for us, countries never fall into tyranny throughout the ages when the people are stupid and uninformed, the founding fathers didn’t warn us against the dangers of standing armies and central banking and how large governments that are not held accountable to the people always end in a nightmare control freak’s paradise dictatorship. I’ll bother you no more, sorry if I pulled you away from “American Idol” and “Dancing with the Stars”. Take your Prozac and go back to sleep.
Jul 15, 2009 - 7:24 pm 117. Moogie:While I do not buy the theory of the 9/11 attacks that infoninja espouses, I DO believe there is a tri-lateral attack on western civilization and that it is engineered by some very powerful men. Maybe bankers, maybe just currency killers like Soros.
Discover the Networks
The Shadow Party
Jul 15, 2009 - 8:44 pm 118. shau-jan:116.i hope you are joking,but just in case you’re serious….
do you really think the goverment would target such vital infrastructure for “a false flag operation”?even in pearl harbor(ya know,world war two)they didn’t sacrifice one carrier or sub.
if disny world had been targeted on 911 or a sold out sports stadium,maybe.
“three men can keep a secret ,if two of them are dead.”-ben franklin
loosen the strap on your aluminum helmet,friend.
Jul 15, 2009 - 11:44 pm 119. shau-jan:117.moogie.soros is the enemy but you got to admit,he brings it,totally commited….i mean if your going to be THE bad guy(and there has to be one),do it right.
Jul 16, 2009 - 12:09 am 120. Peter the Bubblehead:112. Tri Geek wrote:
By the way. Star Trek & Harry Potter are not real!!
Peter writes: Star Trek is not real?!? Say it ain’t so! =/\=
Jul 16, 2009 - 4:18 am 121. Joe:Of course the FBI connected the dots! They are smarter than you give them credit for — The last thing they want to do is scare the public.
Also, you are correct about more terrorist acts coming soon. With the current President’s Admin tearing apart the defense infrastructure and openly displaying their lack of support, our country’s defenses (USA) are getting weaker every day. The terrorist scumbags know this and they will strike again soon. And there will probably be multiple hits with many aimed at first responders.
I just wish this was the only big problem we had to worry about.
We face big challenges in the near future.
Jul 16, 2009 - 7:53 am 122. Dan:God Bless.
Eric Holder and Leon Panetta will make sure that we don’t push the investigation further, as this would be racial profiling. We ARE going to be hit again with an attack. And then again within short time, the American people will slide back into their apathetic lives, only to be served yet another reminder at some point that we’ve been hit again.
Jul 16, 2009 - 1:10 pm 123. Heidi Mailand:Any of you who think that the US government isn’t connecting the dots is assinine. They have, and will do nothing about it.
The president hasn’t even proven that he is eligable by birth- he is not constitutional- he is not for FREEDOM. If this country keeps heading in the same direction, get ready for the govt. to take total control- the very thing our founding fathers fought against.
Jul 16, 2009 - 3:06 pm 124. Warpublican:“I find Chileno overly optimistic. Next year the country will be weaker and broker and more cowardly and we will be even further from 9/11 and more vulnerable to attack.”
This meme – that Obama is cowardly – is as stupid a right-wing theme as any! Under Obama attacks on AL QAEDA and the TALIBAN (you remember THOSE guys) are much more ramped up than the previous administration partiuclarly in Afghanistan and Pakistan – two place Bush was scared to fighjt. The last administration showed it’s ’strength” by invading a nation weakened first by a rout in 1991 and then a withering ten years of sanctions – and even then, the tough last administration not only failed to defeat al qaeda, they couldn’t even complete their iraq mission before dumping it in the lap of the new president! Talk about waeklings! Obama has shown a far greater committment to fighting terrorism. The problem with the cowardly right – and make no mistake – from Grenada to ousting Noriaga to the first Gulf War and then the Iraq invasion – the right only puffs it’s chest when the “enemies” are peasants and cow hearders – is that they allow their huge yellow streak weaken this nation. So now the “tough guys” are terrified of Iran! Iran – which has not attacked another nation has punks like Chileno and soberhorsethief peeing their pants! Hey pansy boys – run home to mama!
Jul 17, 2009 - 11:30 am 125. Chileno:@ 124. Yo, Warpublican:
I wouldn’t say Obama is a coward. Naive? Yes. Imbued with the same self-defeating, delusional ideologies you seem to espouse? Of course!
Your arguments regarding Right-wing “weakness” are as weak as is your knowledge base. BTW, the Panamanian dictator ousted under Bush, Sr. was Noriega, not Noriaga.
“Under Obama attacks on AL QAEDA and the TALIBAN (you remember THOSE guys) are much more ramped up than the previous administration partiuclarly in Afghanistan and Pakistan…” Obama is CONTINUING the fight in Afghanistan/Pakistan that Bush, Jr. began (he even KEPT Bush’s Secretary of Defense!), a fight Clinton was too weak to start. All Clinton could do (in the face of such horrible terror Al Qaeda attacks as the one on our embassies in Africa) was launch cruise missiles at empty terrorist training camps. He shot more blanks at the terrorists than he ever shot at Monica Lewinsky. While Democrats (including Obama) where racing to the door in Iraq with their tails between their legs, Bush was bold enough to establish the surge, which is the only reason we still have a chance at victory in Iraq.
“The right…only puffs it’s chest when the “enemies” are peasants and cow hearders [sic]”
Your fail to mention, in your ignorant rant, how it was Reagan took on the greatest enemy the world has ever known -the Soviets. It was his defense buildup, not Carter’s drawdown, which accelerated the Soviet’s demise, and ultimately defeated Communism.
Poland today is a staunch US ally. Why? Because at the time of their greatest need, while the Left wing, and all the pusillanimous European liberals abandoned them in the name of detente, the US (specifically, Reagan) stood by them, supporting the Solidarity protesters publicly, and covertly funneling funds to help their cause. Today, Iran faces a similar situation, but Obama cannot bring himself to do the same for the young Iranian protesters, blinded by the same self-defeating doctrine of sacrificing our friends to make peace with our enemies.
You bring up Reagan/Bush administration attacks on Grenada and Panama, as well as Gulf War I. These fights all had one thing in common: defeating threats to American interests and restoring freedom in areas where it had been lost. Grenadans and Panamanians now enjoy democracy thanks to the American interventions, and Kuwait was restored as a sovereign nation. You fail to mention how Clinton did the same when he helped oust Aristide and restore democracy in Haiti. Would you consider that to be a “cowardly” action against “peasants and cow herders”?
You say Bush only attacked Iraq because it was weak? By your logic, Clinton was even weaker, as he failed to do even that.
“Iran – which has not attacked another nation…” Do I have to spell it out for you? Iran was involved in a lengthy, bloody war 1980-88 with Iraq. Iran is one of the chief sponsors of terrorism in the Middle East, bankrolling the likes of Hezbollah and Hamas, which have killed thousands of innocent civilians. Iran’s Republican Guard and their minions are thought to be behind countless terror attacks in Iraq, many which took the lives of our brave men and women in uniform. And now that same country is advancing its nuclear ambitions. If this doesn’t concern you, you’re more ignorant than I thought.
Bottom line: after Carter weakened America, it took Reagan to make it strong and defeat the Communists. After Clinton twiddled his thumbs and chased interns for 8 years, it took Bush, Jr. to begin the fight against the terrorists. While the Left would have cut and run in defeat from Iraq, Bush stayed to fight, and turn the tide to our favor. And now you point at Obama’s Af/Pak policy as a sign of strength? It’s a continuation of Bush’s policies, an exception to Obama’s general doctrine of bowing to our enemies and castigating our friends. He’s still following in the long line of left-wing delusional thinkers that believe we can achieve “peace in our times” through appeasement.
Next time you post, please take the time and read up on what you’re talking about, lest you look more foolish than nature had intended.
Jul 18, 2009 - 4:27 am